"Bendy Bill" Geissele vs "Marky Mark" LaRue
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Bill Geissele and Mark LaRue, two souls fiercely entangled. A patriot desires a rifle, and a rifle desires a good handguard and trigger.
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Primary Arms has the last old stock LAT handguards on their site as of this video going up, but I don't think they expect to restock them after they're gone.
Anything stopping you from taking a hacksaw to the long ALG handguard?
I have Larue Predatobr 308. Trying buying replacement parts for it. It's almost impossible to get replacement parts from Larue. Try buying a spare BCG for it. They will not sell it, even when you can prove you have on of their rifles. If you want to buy just the bolt it comes in a BS $400 package with other parts you don't need. They package comes with a 20 round mag that they cannot ship to California anyway. Love the rifle, dislike the manufacturer.
Hop, I'm curious about Midwest Industries rifles and handguards.
@@SA-xf1eb Midwest or Midway ?
@@SA-xf1eb Midwest is overhyped dogshit. Ugly and less sturdy than many things that cost less. And as a retailer Midway engage in shady shystery practices that lost them my business and many others besides. Both bases covered
The best part about Larue isn’t a product-it’s Mark’s one-man conquest to win every single argument on the internet.
this is an under rated comment. i long for the day i get dragged by him in a comment section
Sounds like a texan, alright.
-written by a texan
Not true, I sometimes let others have the last word.- Mark Larue, probably.
Ah, a fellow veteran of the ARFcom wars.
The best part about Larue is the shitty meme products
“You will Larue the day” had me weak. 😂
It got a good laugh out of me too
Hop you sexy bastard, taking James's homoerotic fantasy lore video position over (with a fuck load of sarcasm)
His flat delivery makes it ask the funnier…
'Mark' my words
Easily one of the best puns every made
Hop: "I'm going to buy every product this company sells!"
Company: **shuts down**
The upcoming 'full Larue' build is what makes it worth contributing to this channel.
An unironic Full Larue build would be the Larue Stealth receiver/handguard set. That should be as good as a Radian or ADM builder set.
@@ComeOnPelican91 why not everything? I've got a Frankenstein build with Larue upper/handguard, Radian lower, Novekse barrel, Geiselle BCG/trigger/charging handle, and Magpul furniture
@@HaloDude557 Just for the hypothetical discussion I thought it would be good to be brand loyal. Yours sounds like an awesome mutt build.
Before you build this don’t be a nuttingfancy and NOT use Marks gas block and gas tube!!
7:48 "Mark my words, you will LaRue the day you crossed me"
Holy shit
I imagine he thought of that in bed one evening and couldn't sleep again for the rest of the night.
Funny that you should make this video. I had been a long time buyer of LaRue products and had written many positive reviews on his website. One time though, I wrote a tongue-in-cheek review of a product, (it was still a 5 armadillo review), where I was upset that I didn't get a jar of "Dillo Dust." In the review, I jokingly said that was the reason I buy LaRue products. Five minutes after posting, the review was wiped from the site and later I learned that all my reviews were MIA. Someone couldn't take a joke.
Yup. Same thing happened to me, and was blocked from his instagram
Lol😂 that's petty fr
People on the internet: I can't understand why LaRue makes these weird meme products.
Also people on the internet: hell yes, I'm absolutely getting this weird meme product.
I was a MASSIVE LaRue fan girl for the last 15 years. The dillo dust was awesome and it's just so nice to get little freebies with your order. I bought a bunch of stuff from them over the years because the prices were fantastic, the quality was unbeatable and of course the freebies added a big dash of fun. You always anticipated your LaRue package because you never knew what goodies would be in it.
Then the dillo dust dried up and blew away. Each new package had less and less freebies until there were none. Then the prices skyrocketed and the joy is gone. Now they are just another high end AR part provider in a long list of similar companies. The magic has disappeared and I've moved on. LaRue still offers fantastic parts but so do lots of other companies.
I still am a massive Larue fangirl even after they cancelled my labor day $200 complete lower for living in CA, or dropping the ten bucks per inch deal. They cited moral qualms about selling guns to people in this state, despite selling absolutely everything else on their site to us, instead of being honest and saying they fucked up and oversold and were losing their arse. They're not for the little guy, they just virtue-signal in a confused, contradictive and schizophrenic thrashing manner
Well said. I totally agree. I bought from Larue for 10+ years and remember all of those things, and you are absolutely right about how it is now. I don’t want to move on but I guess it’s time.
You seem cool
@@El_Peto It's true.
@@brandiwynter admittedly i never got any Dillo dust, but I did find some armadillo skin in the front yard today
The ‘el-jefe’ rifle looks like it was designed by the same company that made the folding aluminum table in my basement.
Bless him for not selling to tyrannical governments
Bought a geissele trigger first and loved it. Built a new rifle and needed a new trigger. Bought a LaRue trigger for fun. I’ve never felt more ripped off that realizing I could have bought a LaRue and got basically a slightly better geissele trigger for half the cost.
Way back when they were both north of $200 people used to argue and bicker on forums about which is the best (it's the larue and it's measurably better). Now it's funny because people say the Geissele trigger is better because more $$$$
The Larue trigger went from $250 to $90 to $115 it wasn’t always cheap, Gisssle G2S is $90-160
Geissele triggers are better if simply because there are far more options. 1 or 2 stage, differing weights, multiple trigger faces, competition triggers, etc. I have a Larue MBT and have a Geissele SSA-E and 2 x SD-E triggers and the Geissele triggers are better, however the Larue is comparable and a market disruptor at present moment. But, when Larue decides to double the price like he did every other product he sells, it wont be anymore.
@@wesjohn2 the Geissele trigger looks cooler because it comes flat
you can get the Larue trigger with a flat face as well.@@HaloDude557
Anytime something starts with "lemme tell you a story about mark larue" you know its going to be good
From the future: It turns out Hop loves the accurizer, he sings its praises in a video, and LaRue promptly discontinues it. Hop then claims he never really loved it, it was just a LaRuse to get it discontinued…
LOL, Hop is literally a moving death note.
Now you c-note.. now you don't
I am a big fan of Larue. Everything I’ve owned from them has been flawless in function and stupid accurate. Mark is kind of an Alex Jones personality in the gun world. There’s always some level of drama and some of his products are definitely troll level kit, which I applaud.
And the crazy thing is there's plenty of people that buy the stupid ass troll products😂, it's genius and hilarious
Neat. You're a neckbeard. Good to know
Glad to see my jank AI art made it into the video 😍
AI is life
You can still buy these Larue handguards on primary arms right now. They are called the Larue stealth 1.0. Not sure if exclusive on PA, or limited run.
Thanks, just snagged one
Old stock as far as I know. People who had backorders for the rails on LaRue's site got their orders cancelled.
Larue still wins in my books, but man Mark is a strange dude, and I am so bummed they changed their prices. Luckily I got their qd 30mm mount a week before the price changes. Thanks for the content sir, and keep up the strong work.
"You will Larue the day"
A guy that runs his own business in the industry told me a long time ago. "Every successful businessman has some psycho in him".
MARK my words...
You forgot that part. Key to the joke.
The nice thing about 15" handguards is you can have any length under 15" if you're committed enough. You can't add 3" to a 10" rail as easily.
Where there’s a hacksaw, there’s a way.
I was wondering why LaRue prices jumped (even the fantastic LBT-2S went from $89.95 to $115). I've always been a fan of LaRue products (and I do miss the Dillo Dust and the armadillo bottle openers), but there is a lot of good stuff out there for similar prices now. I only own two Geissele products which I really like: the airborne charging handle, and the maritime bolt release...both purchased at significant discount. I have a couple of ALG AK triggers which are excellent.
I'm probably not alone in the fact I will NEVER buy a $250+ trigger for any reason, regardless of having the funds to do so. There's a bit too much 'tacticool tax' on firearm accessories for me.
The price for the LBT-2S was like $250 back in the day, then for "Black Friday" they would drop the price to approximately $75 if you bought 2 or more. About 10 years ago they just kept the Black Friday pricing inexplicably. For a year the forums joked about it being a pricing mistake.
I don't know if they were financially making money on the trigger, or if it was a business tactic of a Loss Leader. But truly, just about everything Larue offers is super reasonably priced.
@@fidel-3470the quad rails are no longer reasonably priced. They cost as much as DD quad rails now.
"I was wondering why inflation happened...."
@@ComeOnPelican91 The joke is RIS II now cost $500 as well
I’ve never understood the $300-400 trigger thing from G$, you can even pick them on optics planet of all places for sub $200 and tacswap and GAFS has them regularly on there for $150 or lower. People just look at MSRP and go mah $500 trigger.
Larue literally doubled the price of their upper like a week before I hit my mark for saving for one. Mark LaRue could care less and was a total ass about the whole thing.
I'm sure his company is about to die so he's making drastic changes.. it's desperation. It's not because he wants to, I'm sure
The fact that he has been made aware of your little quandary is pretty funny.
@@calholliAs long as he keeps making triggers that’ll keep the business barely afloat
*What I got out of this video:* If I start an AR parts company all I have to do is holdout till Hop mentions it then I can double the prices.
I once saved up enough to get a geissele handguard, added it to chart and thought to myself that it is insane to pay so much for a handguard. In that moment of clarity, I went straight to midwest industry and got a LW one instead and never looked back.
You cheated yourself but ok
the real Amy Giessele is the friends we made along the way
Hiiiiii nat
@@Kyuseu hiiii heloooo
This is a fantastic breakdown of my favorite soap opera
About the C-Note: a non-Larue company makes a rail and RMR plate which mount to the C-Note in place of the Larue plate.
I know what my meme gun is getting.
Geissele releasing rails that were clearly designed for 5 axis machining, then cut on a 3 axis mill instead and then calling the horribly ugly scallops "advanced 3D machining" will never not be funny to me.
ALG stands for Almost Like Geissele
I miss the BBQ rub. I do still use the armadillo-shaped bottle opener he threw in the box though.
This is the Hop-iest of Hop content...it is beautiful and because of videos like this...Hop forever has a special place in our hearts.
Goddamn that pun at the end got me. I can’t wait to see that insane LaRue build. Great content as always, much love from Texas!
I tried one of those ALG handguards last year to replace an old midwest quad rail, and i can confirm they're a great value. I did have to purchase the barrel nut wrench, and the shims are a bit fiddly, but overall a very good product. I hope Larue gets it together. I've always liked the company and their products, especially when their triggers were $89. It used to be that you could buy eotechs/aimpoints from them, with their great mounts for like $50 more than everybody sold the naked optics for. Not sure if it's still thst way.
I think American Defense Manufacturing is doing something similar currently
@@honkyheathI've never owned any ADM stuff, but their reputation is stellar. I wouldn't hesitate to use their stuff.
@@robertmajors1737 I've got a few of their optic mounts and can confirm they've held up. great. Comparable to LaRue with quality for sure.
Scalarworks sells optics now I think, unsure if it’s a good deal to bundle it that way though.
That really chapped my ass about geissele when I got a super modular rail mk4 that is already a higher priced rail as it is but then to insult the injured I had to buy a damn special barrel nut wrench that only works for that barrel nut and that shit wasn't all that cheap either. Pretty lame. I suppose it's a decent business ploy to entice people to keep getting those rails after investing in the nut wrench. I will say it's a pretty rock solid rail at least, no complaints there.
Gotta say though that my favorite rail remains the centurion c4 quad. Suprisingly very light weight, uses a gi barrel nut and that lock up is dare I say better than the geissele
Came for the title, stayed for the puns.
the story of my gd life as well Hop.. any piece of kit, clothing, shoe, beverage or whatever it doesnt matter that I fall in love with gets discontinued. I now buy like 10 of anything i come across that I really enjoy.
I will keep my headcanon that he stopped making the MLOK handguards to make room in his production for more C-Notes and AccARizers.
"like mosts boomers on the internet" that line hits different the older you get
I ordered an AccARizer specifically to make a “in the year 2000” Sci Fi build.
It was immediately back ordered.
When Larue dropped their complete lowers for 200 bones it was an insane deal.
i check my email every morning hoping to see a ship notice for mine.
Ive had mine over a month@@halekang1805
This is a sacrifice for the algorithm gods. Also Hop, James and Tfb tv are so underrated it hurts.
I’m not sure you can argue that James and TFB are underrate when they have well over a million subscribers. Only a couple gun channels/gun review/gun news channels have more. But yes, Hop, Brass Facts, and a few other channels are very underrated, but also well respected by most.
ALG rails were the best as a first time builder. The instructions and barrel nut wrench without needing a torque wrench were perfect for a beginner
I have a Gen 1 OBR-H and 2 Gen 3 PredatAR/OBR-Lite and I swear I will go to heaven singing the praises of Larue Tactical products! They are simply the best out there! The engineering behind each part is second to none and the rifles flat out SHOOT! 1/4 minute in a 16in 5.56 is incredible! Like I said, they’re nothing in this world better than a Larue tactical rifle!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Also the AccARizer couldn't have been released at a worse time. He made it with the thought of "No one is using their old carry handle ARs, let's give them something to get some use out of them". Dude should have know that retro ARs have been ridiculously popular for the past 5ish years. Maybe a decade ago when the craze wasn't there or a decade from now when the craze dies out, but right now retronerds want carry handles FOR the carry handle.
Yeah, this isn't why it was made.
It was made because they got a contract from a country to make them. They didn't just make a retarded product for the sake of going full retard, a country did that for them. That particular country didn't want to upgrade from their ancient carry handle ARs to anything modern, including drop in rails to replace the clamshell handguard, and wanted a solution to that. That AccARizer was the solution for that contract. LaRue also just decided to make it available for anyone to buy as well if you REALLY wanted it.
@@Leodigariuswhich country was responsible for the device praytell?
@@girthbrooks39 the rep I spoke with didn't name it specifically, but said it was near India.
@@Leodigarius Nepal maybe? They use M16A2s.
@@j.murphy4884 The accarizer is for carbine length guns, it would not work on an M16A2.
Larue building a rail that comes over the top of the of the carry handle is a wild concept when you could just make a two piece quad rail and carry handle mount separate. Or idk. A gooseneck
He has to be bored and looking for something to do at this point lol.
Mark LaRue blocks anyone critical on Twitter....dude hates customers.
I loved the ALG rails. Still do. I like the slightly larger circumference compared to some of the slimmer grips that seem to be the standard lately. And I prefer the 15” over shorter, I don’t like having so much barrel exposure, just looks weird imo. Thank you Hop for the video…. I APPRECIATE you…. My bank account on the other hand, not so much lol.
Fancy seeing you here sir.
"Large circumference"...
@@Enjoyer.762 "It's a cylinder..."
@@brian_sipe "V = πr2h"
Primary Arms has the “New” LaRue M-Lok Stealth handguard. Same old attachment method. 12 in is $179.99. 9 and 7 also in stock.
If you can find one, you should try the Troy Alpha rail. INCREDIBLY rigid, durable, and good-looking. Some even had a folding front sight incorporated into the rail. As far as scope mounts, GG&G makes a QD scope mount that is actually better than the Larue (I own several of both) and is half the price.
EDIT: The C-Note was actually a good idea at one time. It was a "pistol" style blade sight that fit BATFE's effed-up pistol-brace worksheet. If that had gone through, a C-Note with tritium inserts would have been a big help towards keeping a "legal" braced pistol. As it turned out, it was a solution to a problem that we never had to deal with.
Aaaah, that makes sense. A Coked out idea for a coked out bill.
GG&G makes great products, they are extremely underrated I really want one of the old discontinued GG&G Devgru rails 😩
I hated mine. Getting it straight was a pain in the behind. And it was super heavy.
Every piece of gg&g gear I’ve ever bought was built like a brick shithouse and worked well.
I heard the idea came from a friend of his who proposed of the idea as a joke and he said he’d make it.
My cousin is a huge fan of the V2 ALG rail. He has a few of them.
I'm a fan of both Larue and Geissele. There's many others that have done the industry a good service with great products. Especially on the America's rifle front.
I'm guilty of buying Geissele triggers when they go on sale. The last ones I bought were open box Super Tricon's that Primary Arms had. $165 each and I like that trigger shoe the best. I would buy a Larue though. And may in the future.
As an owner of a couple LaRue triggers, and several Geisselles (super dynamic combat is my favorite, but have ssa and ssa-e also, all bought on sale), I'd say tge Geisselles are a tiny bit better, but damn sure not enough to justify the price difference.
@@robertmajors1737 I have two friends that are brothers. And they both shoot semi competitively. They run Larue triggers.
I'm really not a trigger snob anyway. I have more than two handfuls of Colts that I hadn't changed any of the SS triggers in. Except for a 6921 EPR uppered Colt. I put a Schmid 2 stage in it. To try out. It was $65.00 bucks on a Black Friday sale somewhere. It's not a coated one. And it's pretty descent. It's normally $94.00 everywhere I looked. I would buy the Larue at that price.
@PeterHungus75 I couldn't agree more. The last 3 I've bought are 2 LaRue and a CMC I got stupid cheap just to try out (not bad btw). I have no complaints with the LaRue triggers, but I personally think the Geisselle is a bit smoother. Again, not nearly enough to justify the added cost, but marginally better imo.
Probably the darkest timeline is getting a flat top upper with a 1913 gas block, mounting an a4 carry handle and front sight to it, then mounting an AccARizer rail to that, and putting a C-Note on top of that.
The only thing I can think of worse than that is doing all of that on top of an AK with a side rail to 1913 adapter.
that stained concrete patio feels like part of the parasocial family now
For me Black Friday sales are for buying Geissele gear. The SSA-E trigger is amazing, don't pay full price for one. If you're patient you can score them for under $150 from online vendors durning the major holiday sales. PSA blows them out several times a year.
Mark increased his prices so he can buy another plane.
This was a fun one. I would enjoy more "this guy vs that guy" product reviews.
LaRue is crazy as hell lol. No way im paying $400 for a damn handguard.
Fun fact Bill Geisselle and LaRue are the same person. I mean I never seen them in the dame room together.
7:45 - Inverse Hop-Cramer Rule for AR Parts?
Also, I'm pretty sure that sentence is a Larue trademark...
And no Socko content. I'm literally shaking.
Inverse Cramer Index and Pelosi ETF to meme your way to retirement
La*Rue* the day you crossed me is exactly the kind of writing i come here for.
LaRue also didn’t BF sale his triggers this year thanks to you.
YAY! Story time with hop!!!
The problem with LaRue is he never specifies which of his accessories will fit a garden hose designed to shoot all my bullets faster
I, too, have been confused by some of the decisions they've made. I loved when the triggers could be had for $70. And oddly enough, they don't offer any type of military discount.
I had the LAT and SAT rails. The LAT is currently at the machine shop getting the worst idea ever fixed..... That means the area that will only allow tiny little gas blocks to pass through is being opened up to allow my piston gas block to pass through. I like Larue but they will never be on the level of Geissele. The only thing that is comparable is the trigger. The Larue has a captured disconnector and a very solid 2nd stage wall. None of the Geissele triggers have a 2nd stage wall that is as defined as the Larue, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
I bought a Larue Stealth barrel years ago for $220.00 and shoots awesome 👍
Mark LaRue has the emotional stability of a 13 year old girl. That said, he makes good shit.
I got the LaRue Tactical MBT-2S straight bow trigger a little bit ago and I love it; however, I kept it in my cart long enough to see the price jump up $20-30 before my eyes. Heart breaking that I spent more money on it, but hell, still a great price for the trigger.
I also have the Hop curse.
There's a list of shit that I own that I've been recommending to my guys and a shocking amount of it is no longer a thing or has gone up in price so much that I don't recommend it anymore
come to think of it...
That shit didn't start happening to me till we became friends 😑
What have you done
@@Tarburz I did this to you. Me.
@@Hoplopfheil: *starts singing Ave Maria*
Me: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!?!
The old ALG rails were amazing. Always regretted cutting one down but custom comes at a price.
Hop: really likes something.
Bogdanoff Twins: DOOMP EET
Super Secret Tech Tip: If a hand guard is too long, cut it shorter between MLOK braces. Then it is the right length. Which is good.
I have a sneaky suspension that we may see the discontinued LaRue hand guards resurrected. Not because of popularity but just to stick it to Geissele and deprive them of additional income. Or it could be wishful thinking for LaRue to come in at the last minute like an adventure film. One can hope!
Since you've had some recent first hand experience with both; do you think a riflespeed gas block fit underneath a larue LAT?
It will fit but you'd have to assemble it somewhat out of order because the handguard only slides over a low pro gas block.
@@HoplopfheilHi Hop! For larger gas blocks and adjustables, you can also dremel out the barrel aperture - it has no effect on lockup as the rings and collar are the securing mechanism. Of course this won’t help with FSB tho lol.
thanks hop! I hadn't thought about clearance issues on the rear. I'm going to give it a shot I guess. I'm sure you'll find out soon enough if it works :)
Hop, now we're never going to get anything good out of Marky Mark or Bendy Bill after you called out all their good and bad products. The curse continues...
I was just installing a 7 inch m-lok and load handguard on my ar last night, what are the odds. Great video!
And I’m still over here rocking a Daniel Defense V11 keymod handguard 🤣
LaRue's $99 trigger sale is pure gold...if they happen again. I bought 8 last time.
You’re the best Hop! Keep it up dude!
I just bought a larue mbt-2s and found that they have softened the edges of the trigger and added a slight bevel to the outer 1/4 of the trigger face. It's still a great trigger, but the squared edges and wide flat face where what I loved about it. The first 3 of their triggers I bought previously all had the features I liked.
Literally LOLed at "LaRUE the day." Love videos like this.
Yea, talk about the A.R.M.S. SIR all you want, they discontinued my boy long ago and Ill never have a full Burgertown upper without paying a premium
I saw the AccA-Rizz-er at the Oklahoma Gun show they unveiled it at, I walked past the booth thinking it was some boomer gimmick accessory like many of the other products there, I didn't even realize it was LaRue's booth, I'm now ashamed I didn't stop to gawk at it more...
That was the best video i've seen in a week. Thank you for helping a jaded old man laugh
I feel your pain, I have four or five of the ALG handguards becuse they are so great and have avoided the Geissele ones because they seem so big and goofy looking. My favorite grip for the AR is the Stark Industries SE-1 but they are getting harder to find, even straight from their own website sometimes, so I panic bought an extra four just in case. My problem also extends to vehicles because every car, truck, or van that I like or think looks good gets discontinued or they stop importation of them. Sometimes being a generalized NPC that goes with the status quo seems like such an easy tempting life, I just can't bring myself to do it.
LaRue makes some fine, tightly machined AR's and parts. Great barrels, too
Marks schizo posts is the main reason why I follow him. His rants on 3 round groups are hilarious.
lmao at the subtle cut in the beginning: "it's a piece of... (CUT)"
LaRue's price on larger mounts is insane.
Feel it feel it. Feel the vibrations.
OMFG this is the tactical celebrity death match I've been waiting for!!!!!
The last time I ordered from Mememaster Mark directly he threw in a pocket portable copy of the United States Constitution. Unfathomably based.
Bro, the title, lol. Excellent
I bought an aimpoint with their mount from them 4 years ago to trade for a gun with a coworker when I worked at a gun shop. We had an aimpoint dealer account from them, and somehow it was still cheaper to buy from them that it was to go through aimpoint and buy the dot with no mount. They gave me bumper stickers, dillo dust, the beverage opener, and a copy of the constitution.
' .... I will be getting the Acc-uh-rizer......and I WILL be mounting a C-Note on it! ' 😂
Literally when I saw the accariser I was like hop will put a cnote on this for sure
"Don't let me say something nice about something", wait that's a problem for you? 😆
Days later. Geiselle proudly announces they were selected for the new LAPD arsenal. You know, the least 2A friendly state next to NY. Frigging gross.
Larue handguards fit my mil spec airsoft ar15s. It's funny because there are tons of imitation larue and geiselle products here in Asia and alot of the larue counterfeits are more expensive than the authentic larue products
Sounds like me. Everytime I love a product it gets discontinued 😂
This is some unrequited friendship of Shakespearean proportions.
A gem of a video. I laughed more than I should. Thanks Hop!