Low-Tech Rangefinding
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
- There are several good ways to figure out how far away your target is, and none of them involve asking nicely. In this video we go over laser rangefinders, and some low-tech, low signature alternatives. WARNING: video may contain scenes of long division.
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Great video. Why are you saying mpbr as mean point blank range when it's maximum point blank range?
Verbal typo
@Hoplopfheil Ah. Thanks for the clarification 👍. I'm definitely going to test using range estimators on my optics to see if I can get consistent first round impacts. What ammo are you usually running in these videos?
Geez guy!!! We’re not all perfect 😭🙈😳😂
Proof that Hop is,in fact, human and not a cyborg.
Then again, he could be a very advanced model that intentionally makes minor, non-critical mistakes in order to trick you into thinking he's human...
@@christopherreed4723 A real cyborg would have better eyebrows, he's definitely human.
Pro-tip!
If you want a rangefinder but are short on cash, you can go to a golf course and pretend you forgot your rangefinder in your cart and ask if anyone turned it in. Pretty much every golf course has a lost and found and they are FULL of range finders.
Sometimes they ask you to describe it, sometimes they hand you the box and you just grab one.
I have a friend that did this twice and has found 2 others laying on the ground in the rough.
Kind of a moral gray area though
Definitely just stealing, no grey area
When you get sniped by that guy with the Blue Tees RF 😅
It's not that gray. 🤨
r/unethicallifeprotips
I got a range finder from Amazon, was like 300… good to 1400 yards, works
I just so happen to know a guy that sells those cards 👀👀👀
Just thought of your company
I went straight to the comments when I saw the thumbnail lol
Cool, can't wait to get on a list so you can redflag me too!
@@tubeguy4066 You do know we can see you liking your own comments right?
Monke from agartha
Concur. Math is hard, and Brass Facts is bad at being Asian. I found my college era Texas Instruments calculator the other day, so will bring that with me next time. It's solar like a Holosun.
The Range-R card is civil war technology.
Brass range finders were given to the best shot of a company
Silver range finders were given to the best shot of a regiment
I think the best way to learn this is become a member of a long range ……range. Build out a dope card and get a good feel for distance and windage. It makes applying these skills so much easier because you have more context.
If you have access to a 200 - 300 yard range. Just use some 4-10 inch in size plates randomly strewn around the range. If possible....move the firing position as well. Make it very difficult to reference things on the range to cheat. And don't scale up the targets in size as they go out. Just toss them them out there randomly. Some will be harder than others. Have one person set up targets while the shooter is blind/back turned. Keep a short ranging time period. Like 1 minute to mil as many targets as possible. Then 30 seconds to engage them. Then have the shooter switch jobs.
You can use a rimfire target rifle with LR scope.
The process is exactly the same as a centerfire. And the rimfire will really punish any error if you flub the measurement. Plus it's very economic on cost. We have used 8" tall standing gopher targets. And breaking down the reticle in sub "tenths" of a mil may be required to get an adequate solution.
The other thing to keep in mind, is you should EXPECT a miss. And being able to measure your misses and dialing in a quick solution. At that point the error should be somewhat small. So dialing the solution in is more pressing than getting the actual yardage at that point.
Good idea, a long range range seems like the best place to use a long range range finder.
@@GuacIsExtra99 you read me like a book
when you mention "building out a card", do you mean designing one with references you want and paying someone with a laser engraver to make it for you?
@@GuacIsExtra99How should I use my long range range finder to assist me in finding a long range range in first place though?
I picked up a budget range finder from Amazon and was absolutely shocked what 50 bucks will actually get you. It came with a multi-reticle design that uses a 4x with diopter and within 400 yards it does an amazing job, especially when dealing with inclines. I've tested it against my vortex rangefinder and the cheap one keeps up almost equal out to 500 yards with only 1-2 yard different reading between the two.
Which brand/model did you end up getting?
I love finding budget versions of stuff and being surprised when it's actually good.
@@test-nt1qy
We need answers!
What model was it? Tell uss
Mildot Master sliding calculator or just have a list of common dimension items and the corresponding mil/moa readings.
Range Estimation is a perishable skill, with map apps training is possible basically wherever you're at.
Around my town there are places one can sit with views. So I know the distances from a bench to various land marks. I sit and train my brain to recognize the distances instinctively.
Test at new places with a map app.
If the ground is flat enough and/or obstruction free, knowing your pace count can get you pretty close to the actual distance too.
Backing up what Hop said, LRFs are the way to go but some of us think it's cheating!
Don't over think it and have fun!
I refuse to believe Hop is over 36. 40s is simply out of the question
I believe it was a joke, further demonstrating his bad math skills.
@@sinisterthoughts2896I can't count past 20 or do long division
Its cause he's part sasquatch since he's from the frontier wilds. Explains the dimensions
Primary Arms is the king of auto ranging reticles. We should lobby them to release their binos with reticles. Until then I will continue to lust after nikon laserforce range finding binos. Binos are so much better than monocular for scanning, and you can dial in the focus to see things hiding in brush, etc. We need a cheap, compact 10x pair with reticle
Excellent, you covered all of the salient points I bring up when I discuss ranging when I cover that topic in my long range class. One thing when talking about high angle shots, is the hit box on some targets becomes smaller, shooting at a human or animal from directly above presents a smaller target than shooting straight on. Not a big deal, but something not everyone thinks about. It matters when it becomes a "know your limits" situation.
Then he pulls out a Bushnell. Are we golfing now?
If you’re not careful, the hit box could shift unpredictably if you get a lag spike
Don’t forget to lead your shots an extra 5-10ms to compensate
@@dogedogego I hate it when the deer start bitching in chat about being lag killed.
That Range-R card is slick, Ive never seen those things before
that Range-r card looks pretty cool. agreed it's not perfectly accurate or always appropriate, but it is a simple unobtrusive solution, especially for back-up or ad-hoc gear and would be useful for reconnaissance and scouting as well.
Good content, I like to keep it low tech so I’m glad that you covered some methods. May I suggest another low tech method: Maps! If you know where you are at, and the area you are observing, you can estimate ranges to likely avenues of approach, intersection, etc…This is the basis for creating range cards. You shouldn’t be “operating” in an area without knowing where you are at. A map recon will help with range estimation. I truly believe that understanding, maps, terrain, land nav etc…is far more useful, way more fun, and satisfying when training. You do not need a GPS, just a starting point and a protractor is very helpful and like the Range-R cards cheap and easy to carry.
Whats always nice is learning off your existing reticle. For instance, i know with the EXPS3-2 from use if the dots touch his scrote and forehead hes about 300 yards and if he barely fits between the botom dot and the outer ring hes 400, and about half the diatance between bottom dot and ring is at 500+
Ranging is also possible using your front sight post, but you'll have to figure out the figures relative to your specific setup. Buying a decent laser ranger finder is really the best way to go, you can even take it with you everywhere beyond the shooting range and use it as a monocular to get familiarized with what stuff looks like at certain distances. It doesn't always have to be people either, knowing the range of standardized objects based on its size at specific distances will allow you to automatically ballpark distance. Objects such as stop signs, house doors, USPS mail boxes, cars by model, a 2 liter soda bottle, etc.
M-16 sight post is about shoulder width at 300meters/yards. Anything further than that, and your target is smaller than your post, so might not even want to commit to the shot.
@@kerbalairforce8802 Something to note, almost no one uses irons at M16 length anymore. The M4's front equals the army qual targets width at like 200ish yards.
If you measure your target in yards instead of inches the math gets way easier. (1000 x "target size in yards") / "Mil measurement" = distance in yards. (1000 x 0.5 yds "18 inch shoulder width") / 0.8 mils = 625 yards from target. If you are always measuring shoulder width you can simplify your math to 500 / mils = distance in yards. 500 / 0.8 mils = 625 yards.
Solid advice
Same goes with meters to meters with x1000 conversion factor.
Also milimeters -> meters don't require any
Good video on a good topic. One thing I’d like to add: Miliradian a aren’t metric nor are they only able to use with the metric system. In fact, I think miliradian were acknowledged a few hundred years before. Both MOA and miliradian are angular measurements, think back to Jr High geometry 👍🏻
Yup, MRAD just works better with metric because metric is base-10.
@@TrueOpinion99 it works as well with standard.
@@thepracticalrifleman - Meh, it works better metric because metric is base-10 and, as the name implies, so is MRAD.
@@TrueOpinion99 please, explain to me how it “works better”.
And it’s actually based on 1/1000th of a radian. Angular measure. A mil is 1/1000th. At 1,000 yards, one mrad is 1 yard. At 1000 pussy-hairs, it is one pussy-hair. Does that make pussy-hairs metric?
mils are si units, so they are part of the metric system
That Range-R Card is awesome
There’s a couple of other analog ways to measure range, and rather accurately as well. There’s the coincidence rangefinder, and the stereoscopic telemeter. These are how the military range found in the days before laser rangefinders.
However. It’s a bit of a moot point to mention these as the only ones you can get your hands on are old surplus units that are 50+ years old, probably don’t have any ability to be repaired, are large, bulky, heavy, and usually expensive.
That all being said, if one is planning a static position and don’t want any signatures to give them away yet still have accurate readings, these might be a good option.
You could put two monoculars on tripods with good compass on top. If you know the exact distance between the monoculars, you can take the angle difference between them and triangulate the distance to target. That's what our eyes do.
on the topic of manual range finding with MIL or MOA. MIL is actually very very quick if you stop caring about units until the end. 1 MIL is 1 unit per 1000 units away. so if something 1 unit tall measures 2 MIL, then its 500 units away. 3 MIL is 333, 4 MIL is 250, 5 MIL is 200, etc. Of course you need to turn the distance into something useful and you need to know the approximate measurement of the object. So it does require some base memory of the stuff you plan to range off of. A man in boots and a helmet can be assumed at 2 yards tall (1.9 is 5'8" otherwise) and torso width is 0.5 yard. Those are rough assumptions, but are close enough to get you a hit at range. So say a man at torso width measures 2 MIL, then he is 500x0.5yd = 250 yards away.
A worthy note to make is also to know your limits as well as the accuracy that you can estimate the size to be. For example, if a mans width is less than 1 MIL then he is over 500 yards away and its very possible that the best course of action would be to not engage such a target. If you absolutely need to make shots past 500yards, and you have to rely on reticle ranging, you probably aren't properly equipped for your task.
Darn it, Hop! I was going to make this video. Now I've got to watch and see if you left any content for me.
You should make one too. I like your takes, even if it is repetitive subject matter.
Yours would still be worth a watch for me
@@Hoplopfheil that's because you're secretly a sweetheart.
Shut up I'm evil
Good to see the SIG still being put to work. Thank you for always bringing consistently rich info and great videos
Def a needed piece of kit. Thanks for the share!!
Very cool and informative video, I have been looking to buy a rangefinder lately and this was perfect timing.
Some LRF lasers are in the high enough wavelengths where they are extremely difficult to see under night vision, even if you are looking for them. Also the Russian Spyder is not the only helmet mounted system capable of detecting IR signature, the Helstar 6 is also capable of this if you get the add-on. I’m not sure if civilians can get them, however.
Those range finders cost like 10k.
How sensitive are the sensors? Could one laser range find object in the vicinity and not set off the device?
@@HaloDude557 my Vortex range finder for $200 is a high enough wavelength where it is nearly imperceptible under nods…
I think you mean lower frequency. Higher frequency is closer to visible red, and NVS can 100% see visible red
@@kerbalairforce8802 I was talking about a higher wavelength, which would be the same as a lower frequency. It’s the same thing (for the sake of the conversation).
It’s important to note that you should find references wherever you live. You should try to find average sizes of objects, people, trees, bushes, etc at different ranges so you can get a feel for what they’re supposed to look like at different ranges. You shouldn’t be engaging anything past 500 yards with rapid target acquisition with this method, but it’ll get you in the ball park where you can make corrections as needed
Great video and something a lot of people gloss over/ignore i think. For your comments on doing estimation with mills/moa. I find it a lot easier to just use CM and MILs to get meters and inside 500 meters its close enough. If you want more exact just add 1/10 for the yards. 1000M is roughly 1100 yards, 900M is ~ 990 yards, ect. The formula i use is CM/MILx10. average human torso is ~ 45cm. So 45cm/2milx10 your target is about 225 meters or like 240 yards away. keeping it in multiples of 10 makes it much easier and more practical in the field and generally gets you close enough to hit a 1-2moa target out to 1000 yards.
Didn't know about those range cards. Thx
I have a similar bushnell range finder I paid 180 beans for and it can technically reach out to 800 yards but I found free standing I'm lucky to measure 300 yards on a tree. I strapped it to a 2x4 and holding a 2x4 gives a lot less shake than free standing, that let me pull measurements on trees to more like 400 yards. The longest measurement was like 570 yards on a very distant house. This was out in the flat forest and farmland of central IL.
I guess moral of the story, don't be surprised if in real world conditions you can't get a reading at long range.
that makeshift bipod is crazy. I love it so much
Great overview which the method use(In video games/sims) is just train enough to get a good eye for the ballistic tragtory of my weapon system and walk the rounds to the target if I do miss you know like a battleship/old tank. How ever the flaws are it assumes you have ammo to spend on misses and also that you can miss.
Thank you for the short king affirmations in this video.
Good stuff Hop. I went with a teeny tiny Leupold LRF, 1600 I think it is. It’s great but I don’t know if I would ever be able to hold it still enough to get a decent reading at even 800.🤣 If only I could get a greyhound bus to park next to whatever target I need to bounce the laser off of.
Just be aware that Leupold only has a 5 year warranty
@@fullm3taljacket 👍🏻
This is why a LRF that has a stud mount to attach to a tripod is a an essential feature.
@@highdesertdrew1844 that would be awesome for fixed positions.
@@f308gtb1977 if something is far enough away that you need an LRF to determine it's distance and engage it, you are in a fixed position 😉
Good stuff, Hop.
Every topic you and Brass Facts cover always happens to be one I have started researching the week prior......GET OUT OF MY HEAD HOP! Lol, thanks for all yall do.
Great video as always. Not to take away from your point that math is slow, but in the use case of recon or filling out a range card, where time is not of the essence, counting mils and calculating the distance in a calculator may still be a viable option. I don't think there is a single "best" range finding device for all situations, so its a good idea to train with and carry a variety.
A slide rule style chart on rite in the rain, or laminated that says "if 6ft is 3mils, then it's ###yds away"
In a grid format for quick reference.
keep this mental note too... learned this from john mcgee
Range finding
100 face
200 no face
300 no hands
400 no head
500 no light between legs
600 triangle
mil rangefinding can be easier in metric. Use your target size in mm, and with no multiplication (by 95.5) you will get meters. Remember: it is very easy to understand the height of common objects *provided you do not convert to/from imperial*
Awesome review. Cheers 🍻
Wow, what timing, I bought a couple range-r cards about a week before this video was posted and I haven't had a chance to cross reference it much, excepting a rough test against google maps.
Gonna give the second one to my dad, then buy a few more for stocking stuffers and to have around
Hahahahaha watching you trying to do math in real time, my goodness
That segment had to be edited for time.
Would have liked to seen the practical aspect of hitting man sized targets at long ranges with the different methods rather than the theoretical limitations.
For example, seeing how off the range-r card is on a man size target compared to moa/mil ranging with getting hits on big steel torsos at 500yds+
The best I heard was that the laser range finder was the best, but how much better? a few inches on a torso (probably doesnt matter) or a few feet?
After about 500 yards bullets are almost all dropping like a rock, so multiple feet is probably a low end estimate.
On a follow up to this subject i would like to sugest you also check out the method of range finding using the parallax ajustment. This is used in some target shooting competitions, but it may not be viable for every field use activity and you need to have a scope with parallax ajustment, and onde you max it out theres is nothing you can do about it.
Great video thanks
Nice thanks for the thoughts
Of course a modern laser rangefinder is a great tool. But a bit annoying to carry around. Ranger cards seem like a cool, rugged tool though!
And you forgot about the simplest, yet nerdiest rangefinders of all: thumb parallax! Thales theorem, baby! Try it, you wont be disappointed. If you measure your arm and interpupillary distance, you can get pretty precise with some training and experience.
Finally a useful tool for use in the field.
Great vid!
The way you speak and the way your videos are put together reminds me a lot of s2 underground
That range-r card is so sick
Hop has discovered the magic of kuiu attack pants
What a great pant
Good Info.
Great video, that ranging card is very neat. I made the mistake of buying a very cheap laser range finder thinking my max distance is ~400 yards so how bad could it be. It’s very useless
Absolutely love my solo r/t! EDC for me!
0:12 And this is exactly why I'd want ine cyber eye and just have a hud lens for the other.
Also i appreciate the Deus ex mention. I love the games and setting. It ought to be more mainstream.
Like the card you can use your thumb as a ranging tool, the distance from your thumb to your eye and the thickness of your thumb can be used to create a proportion and then derive distance using similar triangles.
Assuming you passed trigonometry that is.
This is pedantic but mils arent metric. You can plug yards into the formula just as easily as you can meters.
(Height of target in yards or meters X 1000)/ height of target in mils gives you your answer in whatever units you plugged in originally.
Using inches or centimeters can be more accurate but estimating a person at 2 yards tall keeps the math easy
Hates math yet chooses the measurement system with the most math needed.
It's not easy being a patriot but I do what I can.
Eotech likes to mention how using the circle in their reticle allows you to estimate range, though it's only accurate to 200 yards and useful to 300. But then it's a (holographic) red dot so if your target is too small to range that way you are pushing the limits on that optic, anyway.
The best low tech range finding are the good ol fashion eyeballing it or the thumb trick
11:40 Hang a weight/heavy bag off the hook on the bottom of the tripod midsection to help with stability. Photographers do this all the time, it's what that hook is there for.
short king remark def earned you a like from a short king
Hop, I think you’re way too smart to be a UA-cam gun guy. I feel like I’m listening to a doctoral research paper on every topic you create a video on. I need to take notes while watching your content 👌🏽
Really need to replace the write in the rain with a laminated card that you can fill out, and have a pocket calculator.
Helped me while doing fire support stuff for 4 years in the Army.
Fun fact if you want one of these you can pay with crack a 40 of Olde English and a half a pack of Newports
You should read the MSR 2 reticle manual. Lots of good stuff on ranging in real world situations. Also you can learn how accurately you can really mill with practical examples. Also the American formulas for milling are extremely complex. Target size in millimeters/size in mils is the simplest and fastest method. Standard shoulder width is 500mm. 500mm/1 mil = 500 meters to target.
You failed to mention the Mil-Dot Master or other Slide-Rule style ranging tools. I use one for my airguns, alongside an Athlon BTR MRAD reticle, and I'm getting used to ranging things accurately enough to pop a soda can out to 200 yards with a .22 pellet. They're very useful.
Just drop a mortar or a bomb. Speed of sounds is around 350m a second. Count after you see the explosion until you hear the boom. *Multiply* by 350 and that is your range
Think you mean multiply. But that's good to know
Hey Billy, how far do you reckon that deer is?
Let's find out, FIRING!!!!!
Can't believe I haven't been using this hack this whole time.
My buddy Dave has an aug and a hellion. I'm a long length of pull autist so I love the hellion's stock, but even I keep it at the shortest setting. I like the VHS quite a bit, but the aug is fun too. My main complaints about the aug are the god awful mag release and the fact you're stuck with the front vertical grip if you don't feel like spending half the cost of the rifle
Us short kings love you too hop!!
Not sure I heard this stated in the video, but pocketable style laser range finders often don't work very well at super long distances. The beam scatter can be too broad or may even be misaligned slightly, and this could lead to reading the range of something other than the target. Anything out at a distance where drop is meaningful, I wouldn't bet my life on a pocket range finder unless it gives me first shot hits reliably in training
Wish that R card came in yards (and 1000m is too much for me; 600 is sufficient)
1 metre is 1.1 yards, so just add 10%
Deus ex is great, underrated reference hop
A map and a compass with landmarks is a good way to range, albeit less accurate than a laser range finder.
“This road to this road is 550m.” Or “I’m on this contour line halfway up the mountain and the target is on the opposite ridgeline. The distance and heading is 700m and 270*.
FWIW maps and a compass don’t require batteries and don’t have a IR signature and if laminated are very water resilient. You can even make an angle calculator very similar to the Range-R card.
For shorter ranges i visualize posts in a line with about 30 feet between them. Seems to work alright.
Tbh its hard to range with a unit in archery spot and stalk.
shout out short kings frfr 🙌🗣💯💯💯💯
In regards to weird battery sizes, take a look at the vortex VIPER HD 3000, it takes CR123s
truemiller is also a very good manual tool to use for calculating range.. I use this and it is very acurate.. it is not for moa users since this is for mil scopes
How often do you go and shoot hop? Like out of 30 days, how many are dedicated to shooting days? Do you just bust all these out in a couple trips or do you go each week? I’m so curious! Thanks man, you rock.
I’m ready for in 15 years when Hop becomes the next Paul Harrell
What about triangulation? Even a small pocket theodolite can very precisely measure the bearing a target is and communicating with a buddy who is a known distance away and also has a theodolite taking a bearing on the same target. You can get small pocket theodolites but this requires clear and prompt communications over about 100m distance which may be a good idea. Low power short range radios are so important.
And I think it's really worth it to extensively map out an area you intend to defend and precisely track your position when moving through it. If you know exactly where a river or treeline is on a detailed map and you know exactly where you are then you can passively distance with sufficient precision.
I suppose it's because of the speed, accuracy, and overall availability (both in terms of expense and commonality) of laser rangefinders, but It does seem odd that there's no pocket-sized coincidence rangefinders available. They are the perfect solution to someone who wants a very definite readout like a laser would offer, but who also wants something that works perfectly well in rain or fog or snow or whatever else, and that also needs no power and thus no strange batteries to keep around.
The tech is well over 100 years old and was already incorporated into hand-held cameras before the start of the second world war.
Out in the sticks, it’s useful to know how far out of the ground your neighbors fence posts are.
Always turn off auto update for your cyber-eyeball. Just to make sure that update is good before installing. 🤣
Poor Luke. I'm pretty sure they had to shoot him to test the accuracy of their calculations.
Don't feel bad for Luke, he's indestructible.
There is also the Google earth, or similar GPS map software with distance measurements technique, or even paper maps if you're Luddite inclined. Your average MK 1 eyeball is good enough to recognize landmarks, so it should be good enough to pick something off of a map to measure in relation to your position. It's pretty basic boyscout stuff...or was until the distance to your next gender took priority over the distance to your next shelter.
Well said ! Unfortunately a great majority reading this won't understand "Luddite" 😅😅
@@1olddirtroadWhile the term Luddite might be beyond some people anyone with a working knowledge of English is going to understand the context at least.
What does gender have to finding shelter? What does it have to do with anything?
Transphobes say the dumbest shit.
Bro really trying to blame trans people for people's inability to range find, fucking absurd, we live in a clown world.
Damn...Range-r card is pricey for the level of precision it gives, and really for what it is!
Agree that they took the nuance of plotring the graphics of all references and doing the math, but...
It's not even hairthin lines etched on the card
For MOA you can do 100s out to about 300-400 yards for a good enough measurement
Wow your audio sounds better! Idk what you did different but its quite good. What mic are you using???
if you know anyone who works at a golf course/country club, see if they got any laser range finders that have been in lost&forgotten. You can get a good $400 dollar valued range finder that way. You'd be surprised what sort of expensive stuff people just leave behind and dont bother to come back for at these places
I’ve tried em all and I have the worst luck with rangefinders haha 😂 I’ve got a Bushnell one and a nicer one too and they both freak out at 15 yards or less, further away they’re great!! Lol 🤷♂️
A lot of high end guy recommend the sig rangefinder binos but to expensive for me currently. I’ll stick with my vortex rangefinder and monocular
Dammit!!! My math teacher was right all along… 🤦🏻♂️
Its 2023, you can also range estimate using a GPS equipped personal drone (albeit that's hardly low-tech or low signature).
If you're going to have a notepad-- you should definitely have a small solar powered calculator with the pad- in an integrated pocket on the back.
look into geared tripod heads for setting up spotting scopes and cameras.
PRIMARY ARMS--ACSS retical, cheap, foolproof and effective. 😊
I recall back in the 90's as a kid flipping through a Cabela's book seeing rangefinders that had what seemed like a dial on the side. I recently thought something like that seemed useful due to the absence of batteries needed, but I couldn't find anything being offered like them these days.
Anyone else here recall those products before laser's became the standard go to?
those are old stereoscopic or coincidence rangefinders. not really used these days
@@marcusborderlands6177 Yup, I found this model but it only goes out to 75 yards. TLR 75 Ranging.
I wonder if you could scuff up the Range-R Card a bit in order to make it less detectable from reflections. This is really useful, and I will keep this all in mind! Lastly, are there any relatives of the old stereoscopic or coincidence rangefinders which have become portable? Those seem like they could be a good mechanical alternative to a LRF if you don't want to be detected.
I think if you hit it with a heat gun or hairdryer it will cloud the plastic. Just don’t melt or warp it
@@declineofthewest. Seems risky, given the possibility of melting.