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    0:00 Intro
    0:43 I have lost someone in the war
    15:32 I rely more on the information that I get from social media than the news
    33:22 Our children should not inherit this conflict
    51:52 Both sides have lost the war
    1:03:56 It's possible to be both Pro-Israel and Pro-Palestine
    1:18:17 I empathize with people on the other side
    1:25:54 Outro
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 12 тис.

  • @Xenomorph788
    @Xenomorph788 4 місяці тому +4039

    Please get a fact checker. You used to provide facts at the bottom as text so we could read them. This episode needs it desperately.

    • @Nat-cf6nm
      @Nat-cf6nm 2 місяці тому +133

      They did it in purpose

    • @dystmaspera.1560
      @dystmaspera.1560 2 місяці тому

      @@Nat-cf6nm​​⁠and the purpose is that they are not even there, can you provide the valid facts? all information from this war are all BIAS, no place for neutral. just remember that!

    • @mznxbcv12345
      @mznxbcv12345 2 місяці тому +40

      Who started it?
      7th - 1168 deaths, 600 civilians.
      Preceded by
      2008, "cast lead" operation, - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440.
      2014, "protective edge" operation, 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492.
      2008-2022 162,000+ Civilian Casualties.

    • @DoubleDOwnage
      @DoubleDOwnage 2 місяці тому +2

      your username feels ironic even though I know it's from Alien.

    • @jankasen7039
      @jankasen7039 2 місяці тому +46

      No body agrees. This is a super complex issue, and what one side accepts as facts, the other denies.

  • @tnghunter
    @tnghunter 5 місяців тому +10651

    "America doesn't support Israel" - what are they talking about? That's simply incorrect. It wasn't until recently that Palestine got the kind of media attention it has today.

    • @bboylyte8639
      @bboylyte8639 5 місяців тому +1

      They cant grt over their bais, its only this year that mainstream media had somewhat started being truthful about the occupation.

    • @ayaghadar1175
      @ayaghadar1175 5 місяців тому +80

      True

    • @JackFran4193
      @JackFran4193 5 місяців тому +1

      I expect they’re referring to the fact that Biden lifted sanctions on Iran that directly funded the Hamas attacks on Israel. He did this twice in the last two months.

    • @r-ex2945
      @r-ex2945 5 місяців тому

      @@JackFran4193 He is doing that because of Oil and that Iran does not join the Brics countries totally because Saudi Arabia is acting up. It has nothing to do with supporting Hamas because Isreal needs Hamas to hide their aggressive attacks on Gaza. Neta said it himself.

    • @ayaalioua2378
      @ayaalioua2378 5 місяців тому +851

      America litteraly two days ago declined the ceasfire in palestine and it was the only country declining that ...

  • @Nekopolitik
    @Nekopolitik Місяць тому +1499

    I think it would’ve been better to bring actual Israelis and Palestinians together for this debate. Americans can’t really speak for either side.

    • @asmaasaeed7672
      @asmaasaeed7672 Місяць тому +82

      but it still doesn't invalidate their views and opinions.

    • @Nyabennah
      @Nyabennah Місяць тому +30

      50,000 in the streets of Texas supporting Palestine says otherwise.

    • @erinannxx5867
      @erinannxx5867 29 днів тому

      I guarantee all of new york supports isreal. ​@@Nyabennah

    • @omrikasier3370
      @omrikasier3370 28 днів тому

      fr they only saw things from the news and then they say that the news is not a trustworthy source

    • @sunspov
      @sunspov 28 днів тому +14

      they already did a video 5 years ago. a new one with other people and prompts would be nice tho

  • @RJH755
    @RJH755 22 дні тому +835

    Imagine hearing someone talking about how a loved one was treated in prison and then responding "that's actually not true"

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 19 днів тому +18

      Do you condemn Hamas?

    • @sylviesaurusrex6132
      @sylviesaurusrex6132 19 днів тому +45

      ​@@chrisdawson1776Nope!

    • @hunter.5625
      @hunter.5625 17 днів тому +38

      @@sylviesaurusrex6132 According to Islamic law, which is largely enforced by the Hamas authorities, a women's testimony is worth half that of a man's. The laws of adultery are also codified according to gender; an adulterer is punished with six months in prison, while an adulteress is jailed for two years.

    • @hunter.5625
      @hunter.5625 17 днів тому +13

      @@sylviesaurusrex6132most of the Palestinian people don’t even support Hamas nor want them running the country

    • @Artemidia
      @Artemidia 16 днів тому +12

      She said what she heard from the parents of her ex husband. Thats not a FACT

  • @daniyalhabib3385
    @daniyalhabib3385 5 місяців тому +5027

    I want to be empathetic with the Israeli advocates, but it's hard when they have none themselves. Saying throwing rocks at tanks is terrorism is laughable and you cannot be taken seriously from then on.

    • @habibihousepodcast
      @habibihousepodcast 5 місяців тому +141

      Very true

    • @JKDC97
      @JKDC97 5 місяців тому

      This whole conversation is exhausting to me. The victimhood of the Israel-sympathizers is insane when we're comparing David to Goliath: Israel receives billions of dollars in military aid from the U.S government. The Palestinians have nothing. The devastation between both sides is incomparable. Ariel admitting to partying on the beach when people are being murdered in an open air prison mere miles away says it all.

    • @Smo-re9ch
      @Smo-re9ch 5 місяців тому +78

      Facts

    • @tonyp9884
      @tonyp9884 5 місяців тому +315

      seriously. I am open to hear both sides, but that dork goes ahead and says something so inhumane.
      Very difficult to sympathize with them after that.

    • @katrinaoconnor8183
      @katrinaoconnor8183 5 місяців тому +126

      I stopped engaging after that.

  • @aishapasha6504
    @aishapasha6504 5 місяців тому +2851

    Sorry but it's still so absurd to me that none of the Israelis were willing to admit Israel's continual occupation and oppression of Palestine. Gus is absolutely correct in saying that this conflict doesn't end until the occupation ends but if the other side can't even admit that occupation exists then there's still a long way to go to finding a resolution.

    • @luther9678
      @luther9678 5 місяців тому +226

      The thing is that, like Shaani said, there have been so many peace plans offered and yet they were all rejected. The only reason that displacement occurred was that there was a war and the Palestinians lost. Palestinians who decided to stay were given Israeli citizenship and are full Israeli citizens to this day, they make up 25% of the Israeli population.

    • @habibihousepodcast
      @habibihousepodcast 5 місяців тому +9

      Tomer said it as slip, then tried to correct himself

    • @sanjaeger
      @sanjaeger 5 місяців тому

      time stamp?@@habibihousepodcast

    • @seacue9417
      @seacue9417 5 місяців тому +255

      ​@@luther9678that's because the offers weren't even a meaningful change from the status quo. Israeli police, no borders, etc, it wasn't an actual offer.

    • @FANTOllVll
      @FANTOllVll 5 місяців тому

      And the Palestinians can’t admit that Hamas is for the extermination of Jewish people and complete eradication of Israel. What’s your point?

  • @woozymammal
    @woozymammal Місяць тому +417

    calling literal children "terrorists" is truly baffling to me.

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 10 днів тому +7

      Do you condemn Hamas?

    • @evilgrin1
      @evilgrin1 9 днів тому

      if you can indoctrinate children into commiting crimes, no matter their age, they are terrorists unfortunately

    • @qcabone
      @qcabone 8 днів тому +21

      @@chrisdawson1776 why are you under every comment section asking a braindead question. Of course everyone condemns hamas

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 8 днів тому +3

      @@qcabone Do you condemn Hamas?

    • @fidelsewe2677
      @fidelsewe2677 8 днів тому +28

      @@chrisdawson1776do you condemn IDF war crimes

  • @gabrielaestrada2132
    @gabrielaestrada2132 Місяць тому +572

    This Israeli woman says she prefers to get her news and experiences form people she knows personally but also accused Reema of lying about her husbands experience in Israeli prison because it’s just a personal experience- their refusal to accept truth is astounding and terrifying

    • @TaliaLS
      @TaliaLS 27 днів тому +24

      Actually, the guy accused Reema of lying not the woman. But I Dont think thats what he meant. I think he was accusing her lying about the generalization that there are no trials. Either way, even if thats true Reema explained herself well enough after. I think even if thats what he means, thats not the takeaway from the whole video. Obviously there are statements that both sides said that many people will not agree with.

    • @javierdejesus2420
      @javierdejesus2420 26 днів тому +8

      You’re not paying attention lmao

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 22 дні тому +2

      Do you condemn Hamas?

    • @mariamsleiman3499
      @mariamsleiman3499 9 днів тому

      Well said

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 9 днів тому +1

      @@mariamsleiman3499 Do you condemn Hamas?

  • @marwanawada4858
    @marwanawada4858 4 місяці тому +4404

    is no one gonna mention the fact that they said that someone throwing a rock at a tank was terrorism and they derserved prison even if they were children. Why is everyone brushing past that, that absolutely disgusted and infurated me.

    • @briannec2016
      @briannec2016 4 місяці тому +195

      Dude, SAME! I've been scrolling and I've only seen a couple comments saying crap like "well you didn't throw rocks", "fafo", and "rocks are so dangerous!" 😐...🤦‍♀️

    • @takemetomarz
      @takemetomarz 4 місяці тому +29

      Exactly.

    • @harrison9074
      @harrison9074 4 місяці тому +180

      Martial law. Even In the u.s you throw a rock at a lapd officer. You will get thrown in jail for attempted assault do a peace officer. 6months to 1 year in jail for a first time offense.

    • @PerriElias
      @PerriElias 4 місяці тому +178

      Because it is terrorism, there have been numerous soldiers/civilians who have died by being struck by these rocks in the head.
      It’s easy to talk about it out of context but very complicated when you see the result of some of the blunt force trauma a “nonviolent” item like a rock can do to a person.

    • @Kevin-xj4ni
      @Kevin-xj4ni 4 місяці тому +172

      @@PerriElias Throwing a rock is terrorism? Where is the proof that civilians and soldiers died by the rocks?

  • @mariesindlerova9663
    @mariesindlerova9663 5 місяців тому +7214

    Hearing the personal stories of everyone was powerful, but still I would love to see an episode with real experts, historians etc. on this topic

    • @HerWanderlust
      @HerWanderlust 5 місяців тому +78

      Lots of great videos like that here on UA-cam! Son of Hamas is one

    • @ryojs4286
      @ryojs4286 5 місяців тому

      There are many try IDG channel or Mohammed Hijab history of Jews which is 1h long
      Only the racists refuse to because he's not white enough for their tastes even with his multiple PhDs

    • @acreativename2781
      @acreativename2781 5 місяців тому +1

      The problem with listening to the vast majority of actual historians is that Israel would look very terrible. Which it is, it's an apartheid state. Jubilees vids don't exist to educate.

    • @chew_cho47
      @chew_cho47 5 місяців тому +118

      norman finkelstein would be PERFECT! & BEN SHAPIRO cause Norman would obliterate him in a debate.

    • @radio-dada
      @radio-dada 5 місяців тому +26

      please no experts anymore

  • @hamzagazawi4575
    @hamzagazawi4575 2 місяці тому +1918

    "If you throw a rock, you're a terr*rist"
    WTF !?

    • @Arbelsh
      @Arbelsh Місяць тому +45

      You don't no the situation than be quiet

    • @jude444
      @jude444 Місяць тому

      @@Arbelshshut up

    • @hamzagazawi4575
      @hamzagazawi4575 Місяць тому +136

      @@Arbelsh If you don't know how to spell simple english words, use a dictionary or auto-correct. :)

    • @shaimael-elaimy590
      @shaimael-elaimy590 Місяць тому +35

      ​@@ArbelshI'm curious, what would you do if you were in the place of the Palestinians?

    • @FatRonaldo1
      @FatRonaldo1 Місяць тому +20

      @@shaimael-elaimy590I often (try to) look at conflicts by putting myself in the other persons shoes and it is really helpful and I totally agree if I was a Palestinian I probably would throw rocks at the tank, but you also have to think about what you’d do if a whole village starts throwing rocks at your military vehicle. You either flee the area or arrest them there’s not much other choice

  • @nabila4692
    @nabila4692 Місяць тому +341

    23:12 she mentioned how they're not getting to hear first-hand experiences from each other online, but I'm sorry when the blond lady gave first-hand experience, she was completely shutdown and told that her ex-husband's experience is not true, that 's not what happens

    • @DeviYim
      @DeviYim Місяць тому +27

      First, she said her husband had to go to prison without a trial. When the Israelis said that couldn't be the case, she changed her words and said he didn't have a fair trial. So I think the correction was important. To say that people are in prison for years without any trial is in fact a lie that has been exposed thanks to the objections of the Israelis.

    • @user-fu6wx2pp2z
      @user-fu6wx2pp2z Місяць тому

      That's wut always happens

    • @nabila4692
      @nabila4692 Місяць тому +1

      @@DeviYim fair enough I didn't catch on to that

    • @user-og8ln9ld5p
      @user-og8ln9ld5p Місяць тому

      Yes, I caught that too.@@DeviYim

    • @MarwanMahdy
      @MarwanMahdy Місяць тому +15

      @@DeviYim maybe she meant in total a "fair trial" as any kind of trial. it doesn't matter if it applies to her husband but as a whole this happens to thousands of Palestinians. You can google how many Palestinians are in Israeli prisons without trial, the number will surprise you. (spoilers: 4450 indefinitely incarcerated without charge, some of them are children)

  • @mariacruz.9604
    @mariacruz.9604 4 місяці тому +5806

    as much as it’s interesting to see regular people having this discourse, i think having actual historians and people with first hand experience would’ve made the discussion so much more educational, there wasn’t any fact checking in this which i feel it’s crucial for a conversation of this matter.

    • @mariama8995
      @mariama8995 4 місяці тому +254

      Please don't tell me you're going to a jubilee debate for education on this issue

    • @VoiceDivine
      @VoiceDivine 4 місяці тому +105

      That’s not really the point of middle ground. At least not in this prompt.

    • @jasmineali5699
      @jasmineali5699 4 місяці тому +47

      Not the point of this at all. Go find a universo lecture for that.

    • @GusShukeireh
      @GusShukeireh 4 місяці тому +51

      As others have mentioned if you want more of the same you have plenty of options and have come to the wrong place. Everyone here who’s directly affected deserves a voice, even moreso than the same redundant “historians” all over UA-cam have have zero experience in this nor are actually affected by it. I think you should have just appreciated those of us who are currently mourning losses and directly affected by it giving our time to this and sharing our perspectives.

    • @mariacruz.9604
      @mariacruz.9604 4 місяці тому +40

      i love how people are getting pressed over me asking for more discussions like these but with other people 😭

  • @kylerjackson7909
    @kylerjackson7909 5 місяців тому +5933

    They should have a middle ground with actual facts and analysis

    • @domerame5913
      @domerame5913 5 місяців тому +217

      We have that, the thing is that more or less only academics watch it. People don't actually want that. You want your ideas to be validated by someone better at manipulating the audience than these guys.

    • @JoshwaLaw
      @JoshwaLaw 5 місяців тому

      ​@@domerame5913do we have something like that?? Do you know what it's called or where I can watch it? I'm actually very interested in seeing that

    • @OmarRBR
      @OmarRBR 5 місяців тому +28

      ​@@domerame5913where?

    • @dolphinman92
      @dolphinman92 5 місяців тому +110

      Jubilee doesn’t really care about that

    • @oldash8888
      @oldash8888 5 місяців тому

      The facts and analysis go against the israeli agenda

  • @galaxyedits4461
    @galaxyedits4461 19 днів тому +199

    It’s funny how the Palestinian supporters kept giving time for the people israeli supporters to tell their stories like about the guy partying on the beach but when they try to tell their stories it’s shut down with arguments or snarky side comments like just grow up

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 16 днів тому +2

      Do you condemn Hamas?

    • @zerog1037
      @zerog1037 11 днів тому +8

      Well when you think about it israel has more logic behind their arguments. Palestine has more strength in emotional stories rather than fact

    • @eleanorrichardson5262
      @eleanorrichardson5262 11 днів тому

      I'm sorry, all you got from that story was he partied on a beach, not that his whole world got turned upside down when he literally watched terrorists storm the beach he was on to slaughter and rape his friends and family.

    • @tammytt76
      @tammytt76 11 днів тому +9

      ​@chrisdawson1776 do you condemn Israel?

    • @tammytt76
      @tammytt76 11 днів тому +12

      ​@@chrisdawson1776 do you condemn israel?

  • @criscelleogarilva9953
    @criscelleogarilva9953 Місяць тому +125

    They say pain blinds people.
    The panelists are all in pain and are talking past each other, blindly.

    • @adamheuer8502
      @adamheuer8502 Місяць тому +1

      No some of them are just blind like how they just bury their head in the sand and scream and scream and scream that Israel bombed this hospital

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 25 днів тому

      Do you condemn Hamas?

    • @KennethAnimates
      @KennethAnimates 11 днів тому +7

      @chrisdawson1776 Do you condemn Israel?

    • @adamheuer8502
      @adamheuer8502 11 днів тому +1

      @@KennethAnimates Why would they condemn Israel. This doesn’t work as a comeback because whether Israel is doing something bad is debated while refusing to condemn Hamas is universally seen as bad. Hence we can reasonably assume Hamas is worse than Israel

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 11 днів тому +1

      @@KennethAnimates Do you condemn Hamas?

  • @ChaosSpell
    @ChaosSpell 5 місяців тому +2742

    Remember when Jubilee used to put information and their sources on the screen when people would make quasi-anecdotal statements, to either confirm or fact-check blanketed and bias statements? I don't mind seeing people disagree but moderate more. At some point its just a third of the prompt's time is people talking over one another.

    • @sobmodolo
      @sobmodolo 5 місяців тому +17

      Yup! Was just going to say this!

    • @Momo-po5tn
      @Momo-po5tn 5 місяців тому +50

      Some peoples "facts" are misinformation or bias, so id rather they not. Let the audience do their own research.

    • @MisterOoo
      @MisterOoo 5 місяців тому +74

      @@Momo-po5tnon the other hand, if they put their sources up on the screen and in the descriptions you can still do your own research. Sometimes Jubilee presents a bias in their videos and it would make it easier to determine if they are doing so

    • @FactStorm
      @FactStorm 5 місяців тому +5

      Asterisks would be everywhere if they had to advise discretion & post a caveat every second.

    • @Jaaccoobbbb
      @Jaaccoobbbb 5 місяців тому

      @@FactStormYya its super complicated like Israel shut off the water but it was 1 pipeline and there wouldve been btr pipelines and cleaning units if hamas hadnt used the pipes for missiles but then u can argue some of the outreach from Israel wasnt fair enough or diplomatic enough and shutting off the water is complicated too some ppl say its collective punishment but Israel says it was to make hostage negotiations faster cuz they hav a responsibility to defend their citizens and citizens of their allies LIKE DUDE even in a 100 years if we survive that long ppl r still gonna be arguing which side was worse or didnt do enough- imo Islam makes it impossible for Israel to take down the walls or allow btr visa traffic into their country and the world hates Jewish ppl and theyve been persecuted forever so they need a homeland but the settlements r messed up and should be abolished and Hamas 100% needs to be destroyed bfr any diplomatic decisions can be enacted cuz they pose an existential threat to every Jewish person in Israel

  • @Gking617
    @Gking617 4 місяці тому +4691

    Comparing a rock to a tank is crazy.

    • @habibihousepodcast
      @habibihousepodcast 4 місяці тому +157

      it is in their playbook

    • @waynesmith-hr9cx
      @waynesmith-hr9cx 4 місяці тому +381

      What's even crazier is calling someone a terrorists for throwing a rock at a tank! Secondly, the tank is not in Israeli it is in occupied West Bank.

    • @bajjanitor
      @bajjanitor 4 місяці тому +2

      What was the comparison?

    • @oc5297
      @oc5297 4 місяці тому +18

      It’s called war

    • @waynesmith-hr9cx
      @waynesmith-hr9cx 4 місяці тому +65

      @@oc5297 So this happens before the "war".

  • @TheAbeer99
    @TheAbeer99 2 місяці тому +530

    Imagine if any of the Paly people said their loved ones died as combatants, there would be uproar, and no one would validate their loss. I am genuinely sorry for the Paly reps who have to sympathize with the Israeli reps over the loss of their soldier friends that actively target them day in and day out.

    • @geegeeh.6118
      @geegeeh.6118 Місяць тому +44

      I agree and I see the silence of the Israeli ones when they were listening to the loss of life on the Palestinian side. Or a single word of sympathy. But that’s the mentality of a coloniser.

    • @sharoncohen318
      @sharoncohen318 Місяць тому +29

      @@geegeeh.6118 Are you joking? They literally showed sympathy and said "I'm sorry for your loss" in the FIRST TWO MINUTES.
      Stop lying.

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 25 днів тому +6

      @@geegeeh.6118 Do you condemn Hamas?

    • @student.8128
      @student.8128 8 днів тому +1

      @@geegeeh.6118 word.

    • @student.8128
      @student.8128 8 днів тому +1

      @@sharoncohen318 oh and what about the "thats not true" response to that one woman just describing her ex husbands trauma?

  • @amchealth
    @amchealth Місяць тому +33

    I appreciate the attempt of these extremely difficult conversations. May all of our humanity be Blessed. Thank you to everyone sharing. ❤

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 22 дні тому

      Do you condemn Hamas?

    • @amirjar467
      @amirjar467 21 день тому

      ​@@chrisdawson1776 Do you condemn the Zionist m**der machine?

  • @stevenfreebairn2553
    @stevenfreebairn2553 5 місяців тому +4020

    It would've been REALLY great to have some older participants as well. When everyone is within 15-20 years of each other, even being on separate sides, it's hard to not feel like the group as a whole is missing some perspective.

    • @kL-vs6wz
      @kL-vs6wz 5 місяців тому +174

      Yes i wish they would have had older people on both sides that didn't just grow up in america.

    • @SuperKripke
      @SuperKripke 5 місяців тому +107

      That generation can't see past their rage. Peace belongs to this and future generations.

    • @mgs85
      @mgs85 5 місяців тому +21

      It's the young who are fighting the war though

    • @supersymbol3
      @supersymbol3 5 місяців тому +34

      ​@@mgs85 No it's the grown ups fighting, the elders watching, and the new generations experiencing it

    • @stevenfreebairn2553
      @stevenfreebairn2553 5 місяців тому +28

      @@mgs85 True, but the war has been going on (and off, and on, and off) for decades. We could benefit from perspectives of older veterans or others affected by the conflict.

  • @TheFINNHERO
    @TheFINNHERO 5 місяців тому +5312

    Jubilee you need to fact check what people say in the videos just like you do with every other middle ground video. Objective truth can be found here even if it proves someone wrong.

    • @Basil_in_the_Wild
      @Basil_in_the_Wild 5 місяців тому +409

      As soon as they begin to do that, people on either side of the issue will immediately see bias. Fact checking isn’t as easy as just saying “true” or “false”

    • @KB-fl3wr
      @KB-fl3wr 5 місяців тому +1

      Especially the guy that kept using the argument of beheaded babies, that was debunked by even Israeli sources

    • @stinkygremlin267
      @stinkygremlin267 5 місяців тому +277

      ​@@Basil_in_the_Wildthey literally did fact checking when it was a debate between scientists

    • @matthewgauci7936
      @matthewgauci7936 5 місяців тому +91

      @@stinkygremlin267some facts Re harder to verify especially when its a topic filled with misinformation

    • @averylee7606
      @averylee7606 5 місяців тому +99

      The problem with that was discussed during the prompt about news sources, both sides have biases and both sides who are living through the same timeline have two different stories of the same event, it’s nearly impossible to fact check this imo

  • @veronikatramisak633
    @veronikatramisak633 2 місяці тому +30

    My mum was refugee in Austria during Bosnian war. Two weeks ago I have heard from her that at that time since she escaped till 6 months later she did not know anything about her family 😢

  • @nostoppingit7243
    @nostoppingit7243 3 місяці тому +125

    I'm American and 44:15-51:48 had me in tears. If corrupt governments would just get out of the way people would live in peace as that is what most of us want. Sad that there are those who stir up hate and division just to gain power. Even sadder is how many people allow themselves to be manipulated by such people.

    • @realdeal7074
      @realdeal7074 2 місяці тому +20

      Unfortunately, Zionists wouldn't allow it

    • @str4wb3rrychuu
      @str4wb3rrychuu 2 місяці тому +6

      @@realdeal7074 per usual blaming zionists, aren’t you tired

    • @realdeal7074
      @realdeal7074 2 місяці тому +21

      @@str4wb3rrychuu I only speak truth.

    • @sumaiya-ey5zc
      @sumaiya-ey5zc Місяць тому +10

      @@str4wb3rrychuuit’s the truth tho

    • @thehighlighter7983
      @thehighlighter7983 Місяць тому

      ​@@sumaiya-ey5zc Hamas are terrorists, that's the truth.

  • @theAverageJoe25
    @theAverageJoe25 4 місяці тому +3370

    You guys gotta have a moderator for these conversations, you also gotta have people who are experts in statistics and verifiable facts in these conversations instead of just those who come from personal trauma

    • @andypehrson9316
      @andypehrson9316 4 місяці тому +30

      YES

    • @pykng5695
      @pykng5695 4 місяці тому +7

      Correct

    • @inkdropp1667
      @inkdropp1667 4 місяці тому

      No. We are in an active war. Such a thing as ''fact checking'' is almost impossible in such a short period of time.

    • @Raquater
      @Raquater 4 місяці тому +150

      These conversations between average everyday citizens from each sides of a debate is important to have without experts, professionals, etc bc it is a mirror reflection of everyday discourse of their lived experiences. Watching these Middle Ground series gives great perspectives of everyday people in the absence of experts

    • @frooitbunch1309
      @frooitbunch1309 4 місяці тому +10

      Anybody with a will and an open google browser would be fine too

  • @Utss_s
    @Utss_s 5 місяців тому +1610

    “There are human beings who are not sociopath who don’t tap into their empathy, because it takes intention to be empathetic”

    • @Skapo
      @Skapo 5 місяців тому +92

      Additionally when religion is involved you have codified behavioral structures that make dehumanization much easier. Especially the Abrahamic religions which were essentially evolved to be effective war vehicles to secure resources & social power for the relevant in-groups.

    • @RobPires
      @RobPires 5 місяців тому

      Religion has little to do with it. This is settler colonialism, Europeans came to Palestine in the early 1900s and created a state at the expense of an already existing population.

    • @littlepoodle7443
      @littlepoodle7443 5 місяців тому +22

      @@Skapo Religious trauma is crazy

    • @2shy1151
      @2shy1151 5 місяців тому +10

      That's why we need to get back to the reality that we need to remember were all humans.

    • @wahmad8211
      @wahmad8211 5 місяців тому +16

      @@Skaporeligion is like fire, u cannot survive without it u need it but u can easily abuse it for your evil drives. So what we need is wisdom

  • @nanababy8319
    @nanababy8319 13 днів тому +50

    The white guy shutup real quick when homeboy brought up him living in LA😭 I can't all love

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 5 днів тому +3

      Do you condemn Hamas?

    • @nanababy8319
      @nanababy8319 5 днів тому +15

      @@chrisdawson1776 lol do u condemn genocide

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 5 днів тому +1

      @@nanababy8319 Do you condemn Hamas?

    • @salsabiltolba7602
      @salsabiltolba7602 5 днів тому +8

      @@chrisdawson1776 do you condemn genocide?

    • @Humblefudge
      @Humblefudge 5 днів тому +6

      @@chrisdawson1776do you condemn genocide(3)

  • @jenniferhackeman7715
    @jenniferhackeman7715 3 дні тому +4

    This is by far one of my favorite Middle Ground Episodes, it helped me to see both sides of the story. It totally humanized both sides. Thank you to all that spoke on this issue. Amen to all people and all peace.

  • @bee_bea_bhee147
    @bee_bea_bhee147 5 місяців тому +1908

    Craving a version of this between Armenians and Turks/Azerbaijanies. So many places are going through decade long wars and it's really disturbing how much we don't hear

    • @terraguttierez2996
      @terraguttierez2996 5 місяців тому +35

      Thats because there are major countries who are interested in that area. Also arabs have 40 something seats in the UN. there are so many un resolutions and actions about israel palestine but crickets about whats happening in other places pf the world.

    • @rigatoni2000
      @rigatoni2000 5 місяців тому +67

      Sadly people don’t care as much about those conversations because they aren’t showing up on their “for you” pages. Everyone now has strong opinions and is a historian and activist for this issue because it boosts their social credit score, as crazy as that sounds.

    • @thecalmingwitch
      @thecalmingwitch 5 місяців тому +41

      Well I wouldn’t say the Turks have suffered like Armenians and Azeris have… they are the majority and they’re huge and very powerful. America is their ally and they’re the cause of so much grief. I wouldn’t respect a Turk who sat on this panel and defended their country for all the tragedies they’ve committed and continue to commit. They’re a bear squashing ants(us Armenians). There’s no fair fight or argument there.

    • @unmastered6154
      @unmastered6154 5 місяців тому +16

      @@terraguttierez2996 Wrong. Russia has been involved for years since the fall of the USSR. But since Nagorno-karabakh was invaded by Azerbaijan, Russia betrayed Armenia by doing nothing to help. Now they are actively seeking alliances with Western countries instead.

    • @ayoub.3939
      @ayoub.3939 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@unmastered6154 women and kids getting beat by IDf this conflict is not like others if you follow the videos that come from there and im not from that region

  • @okellolester1631
    @okellolester1631 5 місяців тому +3670

    Hearing the personal stories of lost loved ones, even from the people I disagree with. It’s deeply painful. You can see the pain on each face.

    • @rasalove6669
      @rasalove6669 5 місяців тому +38

      Amen and Ameem. May we one day all know peace.

    • @joshuaw9009
      @joshuaw9009 5 місяців тому +9

      This here is the reason why you all keep fighting. How can you not assume that each one of those people who have died in ANY fight do not have 1 person that will miss or loved them?

    • @rustyshackleford7656
      @rustyshackleford7656 5 місяців тому +35

      ​@@joshuaw9009I don't see them saying that, you're assuming that about them. They were simply saying that it's painful to see it on these people, you can know of tragedy and have empathy, but when you see it it's much more impactful.

    • @himynameis4701
      @himynameis4701 5 місяців тому +21

      It’s telling how the conversation got toxic the moment the people who had not lost anyone joined the table.

    • @GrandisArcanum
      @GrandisArcanum 5 місяців тому +4

      What would you say you disagreed on and which people?

  • @jazzyjay4595
    @jazzyjay4595 3 місяці тому +28

    The obvious take away from this discussion is that there’s so much emotion and personal tragedy to be able to have a civil conversation without being rude or stepping on people’s personal experiences. The point is to discuss non-anecdotal evidence, like the woman at the beginning sharing her personal experience despite the laws that say otherwise

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 25 днів тому

      Do you condemn Hamas?

    • @jazzyjay4595
      @jazzyjay4595 25 днів тому

      @@chrisdawson1776 I condemn all acts of terrorism. If Hamas is carrying out those acts, then yes.

    • @amirjar467
      @amirjar467 21 день тому

      @@chrisdawson1776 ​ Do you condemn the Zionist m**der machine?

  • @benmusheiev7248
    @benmusheiev7248 Місяць тому +8

    That’s made me cry! As an Israeli citizen I really wish that people from both sides can come together and have a real peace. For a moment it gave me a hope that I wish would grow into something real.

  • @djblades
    @djblades 5 місяців тому +2480

    Out of all the middle ground topics and episodes jubilee should have moderated, this should have been one they needed to.

    • @mohammedyakub3760
      @mohammedyakub3760 5 місяців тому +53

      Yeah they moderate other middle ground episodes but not this one

    • @radio-dada
      @radio-dada 5 місяців тому +99

      no need for moderation, people can speak for themselves, all of them were wonderful

    • @MisterKazoo
      @MisterKazoo 5 місяців тому +27

      people can speak for themselves

    • @aidantarango5158
      @aidantarango5158 5 місяців тому +121

      @@radio-dadathe isreal side was constantly talking over and interrupting wuesitons

    • @user-ts6yi3gk6d
      @user-ts6yi3gk6d 5 місяців тому +59

      ⁠@@aidantarango5158 only because the palestinian side was invalidating everything the israelis said

  • @kathryn6092
    @kathryn6092 5 місяців тому +3484

    Jubilee has the potential to be a really great channel, but their debates are always incredibly hard to follow because they DO NOT MODERATE!!! If they had a moderator who was capable of actually doing the job these videos would be so much better. People screaming over each other is not a debate. It’s a grating shouting match.
    Edit to clarify: Many people have been commenting that they don’t want a moderator because they want everyone to have the chance to speak - I agree. That’s exactly WHY you need a moderator, whether it’s a proper debate or simply a heated discussion. I want everyone to have an equal opportunity to talk and not have to constantly say “Can you please stop interrupting me?” “Can I please finish my statement?” “Can I please answer the actual prompt?”
    They shouldn’t have to fight to speak. A moderator isn’t there to censor, (when done correctly) they’re there to ensure that everyone on the panel has an equal opportunity to speak.

    • @kianna270
      @kianna270 5 місяців тому +233

      Also they clip so many conversations down to the most basic statements. It’s not even interesting sometimes bc it’s clear they edit out the actual debate parts of some questions. They should release unedited footage.

    • @Justin-yt7pi
      @Justin-yt7pi 5 місяців тому +18

      Debate is like war. Let it be and see who wins in this game.

    • @jamesdragonforce
      @jamesdragonforce 5 місяців тому +160

      @@Justin-yt7piNo it’s not. Debate SHOULD be about analyzing the facts (they also URGENTLY need a fact checker) and critically assessing the opinions expressed, without people talking past or yelling angrily at each other. War is the last thing everyone needs.

    • @he4vin
      @he4vin 5 місяців тому +42

      the topics/talking points seem so vague and are just blankstatements instead of statements that can be debated. "i have lost someone in war" these just seem like agreeable statements. of course both israel and palestine supporters have lost people, how is that a talking point? what can be debated? these topics aren't even starting the conversations that could potentially lead to a middle ground. seems like we are purposely avoiding the harsh conversations for feelings sake. if we want each side to truly attempt to understand each other we have to push boundaries and stop being scared to debate.

    • @keithfiredive
      @keithfiredive 5 місяців тому +28

      They clearly moderate and edit out the moderation. They do this on purpose to have the effect of humans sitting around a dinner table and being able to talk.

  • @C1rclePr1nc3ss
    @C1rclePr1nc3ss 3 місяці тому +38

    Yall just need my girl Bisan to give you the REAL truth

  • @ThatCapeTownGuy
    @ThatCapeTownGuy 17 годин тому +3

    Shocking how the one side (Pro Palestine) will invalidate the other side (Israeli) experience, while the Israeli side won't do this. Disgusting.

  • @imperator692
    @imperator692 4 місяці тому +2954

    11:51 This is insane. She literally described how her ex husband was imprisoned, tortured, starved, and beaten for throwing a rock at a TANK and this dude is just like "not true"

    • @TouringFunkBand1
      @TouringFunkBand1 4 місяці тому +184

      Wasn’t it before she even knew her husband? Sounds like there’s details missing

    • @Maranatha371
      @Maranatha371 4 місяці тому +153

      She was lying, she didn’t even know her ex- husband at that time. She doesn’t have the fact

    • @giancarlosoto-cervantes3955
      @giancarlosoto-cervantes3955 4 місяці тому +509

      @@zeyv4551bro YALL all need to watch that part again, yes she said that all of that happened BEFORE she met him or even got married, she knows that happened to him because HIS family told her about it and how HIS FAMILY noticed he was different after the experience, she deadass says that In the video

    • @jamesdawson2906
      @jamesdawson2906 4 місяці тому +18

      @@Maranatha371he told her

    • @rai2423
      @rai2423 4 місяці тому +238

      The funny thing is that is a regular occurrence in the West Bank. Shows how little that guy actually knows about Israel.

  • @lilygnunez
    @lilygnunez 5 місяців тому +3381

    “If you were born Jewish you would’ve been me. If I was born Palestinian I would’ve been you.”
    So powerful. We really are all just fighting for peace among humans. It’s deeply unfortunate that a handful of unempathetic greedy politicians get to determine the state of the world.

    • @dieauferstehung
      @dieauferstehung 5 місяців тому +280

      kinda shows how racist israel is and how much apartheit exists there tbh , that was a selfreport.

    • @thesunisup_
      @thesunisup_ 5 місяців тому

      It doesn't make any sense. Two millions of Palestinian arabs live in Israel as citizens, some of them serve in IDF at this very moment. This clearly shows that it has nothing to do with ethnicity and has everything to do with culture, to assume otherwise is racist.

    • @Firstname_Surname
      @Firstname_Surname 5 місяців тому +52

      @@dieauferstehung Palestinians are not Israeli citizens

    • @JXekil_I
      @JXekil_I 5 місяців тому +7

      @@Firstname_Surname💯👍🏻

    • @ThatDude925
      @ThatDude925 5 місяців тому +68

      @@dieauferstehung there is literally no apartheit. you just proved that you are purposly uneducated. there are about 2million arabs in israel. all of them are citizens of israel. they have equal rights like any other citizen of israel. there are arab parliament members, arab judges. and there was a famous case an arab citizen put an israeli prime minsiter in prison. so if that is apartheid i wish every country in the world would be like that.

  • @baileyduryea3168
    @baileyduryea3168 Місяць тому +8

    "Objective truth doesn't have two sides. Objective truth is truth."
    SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

  • @walterreuther1779
    @walterreuther1779 Місяць тому +2

    That was so amazing. Thank you so much for bringing this together! 🙏

  • @frishter
    @frishter 5 місяців тому +3211

    This conflict has shown to me that people who have no idea what they're talking about really shouldn't speak. So many people think that they're so certain of a long term conflict because some influencer weighed in on their non historian opinion.

    • @Skapo
      @Skapo 5 місяців тому

      Thank you! I'm pulling my hair out because people are mind numbingly ignorant of history as they keep calling for genocide. Many of which don't realize that's what they are calling for. Even a little bit of reading on wikipedia would add so much context, but they can't be bothered to even do that much and just keep doubling down on stuff that they have no understanding of.

    • @notafrah
      @notafrah 5 місяців тому +2

      Doesn’t require a brain of newton to just be against ethnic cleasing genocide and colonialism ❤

    • @Spoontamer4
      @Spoontamer4 5 місяців тому

      And mostly it's leftists in the west who claim to be israel/palestine experts

    • @giveitup0996
      @giveitup0996 5 місяців тому

      Not really , the truth is Islam should be abolished no matter the cause

    • @allme1003
      @allme1003 5 місяців тому +74

      I'm not reading all that tbh Israel better js free Israel 🇮🇱🙌

  • @_ledeep
    @_ledeep 5 місяців тому +1042

    Disappointed seeing Jubilee not fact-checking any of the information stated in this video. This is something they have done for every debate ever posted on this channel, except this video... how convenient.

    • @Whirlbee
      @Whirlbee 5 місяців тому +261

      Agreed, some of the stuff that's been said even Israeli media have backtracked on saying it was false

    • @user-ig7lm6zt5i
      @user-ig7lm6zt5i 5 місяців тому +53

      ⁠@@Whirlbeeeverything the Israelis said is a fact. Nothing they said was proven ‘false’ by Israeli media or any.

    • @Whirlbee
      @Whirlbee 5 місяців тому

      @@user-ig7lm6zt5i Haaretz has published about investigations around it, even the IDF & Israeli PR have said there were never beheaded babies

    • @Theinksohju
      @Theinksohju 5 місяців тому

      @@user-ig7lm6zt5i40 babies…yet it was actually 2 and they admitted this.

    • @jiminici3351
      @jiminici3351 5 місяців тому

      @@user-ig7lm6zt5iYou’re so brainwashed not even the israeli media convinces you? Lmao

  • @ethanthephrog
    @ethanthephrog 15 днів тому +9

    These questions are too agreeable for both sides. There were no questions about the actual state of the war or either government.

  • @Victoria-et9xx
    @Victoria-et9xx 2 місяці тому +3

    Just wow! Absolutely incredible conversation. Thank you.

  • @juarez94as
    @juarez94as 5 місяців тому +829

    While this discussion was very interesting and complex, the moderation of this debate was nonexistent. I was genuinely confused with everyone speaking at the same time during certain prompts.

    • @juliekennedy9891
      @juliekennedy9891 5 місяців тому +139

      I think that they didn’t moderate so as not to, whether consciously or subconsciously, indicate a bias. Any moderation would have taken away from the free-flowing exchange and made it seem as if the media outlet had a specific perspective.

    • @7kvmi
      @7kvmi 5 місяців тому +5

      yup I was surprised the moderator just let that happen

    • @mlad5274
      @mlad5274 5 місяців тому +10

      @@juliekennedy9891 They do it with every other video though

    • @JohnkyTonkbadonkadonk
      @JohnkyTonkbadonkadonk 5 місяців тому +25

      @@juliekennedy9891 Asking people to talk one at a time, instead of at the same moment, isn't showing bias. It's called taking turns, we learn this as adolescents.

    • @rasalove6669
      @rasalove6669 5 місяців тому +5

      That’s what I liked about it. Imagine if Shawnee and talal could be the leaders of Israel and Palestine, life would be beautiful.

  • @thatbibliophile1049
    @thatbibliophile1049 5 місяців тому +664

    When Ariel said that Hamas are monsters, terrorists and ANIMALS, but Netanyahu’s government are just people… That just made my jaw drop. Dehumanization at its finest.

    • @msaniitz5588
      @msaniitz5588 5 місяців тому +160

      Exactly. He was hugely hypocritical.

    • @Mawad7
      @Mawad7 5 місяців тому +73

      Yesss the hypocrosy

    • @sophiadonnell5957
      @sophiadonnell5957 5 місяців тому +1

      Netanyahu doesn’t order his soldiers to film themselves raping people at Gaza concerts

    • @dustindustindontworry-jz8dh
      @dustindustindontworry-jz8dh 5 місяців тому

      Hamas are TERRORISTS! They are no different from U/S Gangs like the crips and bloods. Snap out of it!

    • @mollyben3223
      @mollyben3223 5 місяців тому +24

      That’s not what majority of Israelis feel - and I speak of that as one and who lived in Israel

  • @BricksAndSparrows
    @BricksAndSparrows 13 днів тому +33

    I like how civil it was until the people who hadn’t lost anyone showed up.

  • @Noobaly
    @Noobaly 13 днів тому +4

    I just love the ending, thanks everyone sitting on that round table for embracing empathy. I hope this conflict ends soon. Sending love to everyone reading.

  • @anita4305
    @anita4305 5 місяців тому +835

    interesting how women are labeled as "too emotional" to be leaders or whatever, yet here women were the ones most ready to listen to the other party while the men were bickering

    • @rasalove6669
      @rasalove6669 5 місяців тому +109

      I thought the women were incredible all around. And of the men, talal was great. It especially touched my heart when he mentioned that both Jews are Muslims are descendants of the same prophets and are brothers.

    • @JXekil_I
      @JXekil_I 5 місяців тому +1

      No one says that😂

    • @Duckduckobtusegoose
      @Duckduckobtusegoose 5 місяців тому +44

      @@JXekil_Ithere’s no need to lie. The few women that have been in power of a country have been scrutinized brutally for their presumed lack of emotional regulation before displaying anything to justify such a statement.

    • @JXekil_I
      @JXekil_I 5 місяців тому

      @@Duckduckobtusegoose wdym lie, I’m not lying😂. Can you give me more than one example where people have acted in such a way? I’m not a liar, maybe I’m just uneducated, but you can determine that by proving me wrong.

    • @itsdavinaaa1785
      @itsdavinaaa1785 5 місяців тому +16

      @@JXekil_Ijust because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t real, the world doesn’t revolve around you

  • @av9293
    @av9293 4 місяці тому +1008

    Without any fact checking or moderation in discourse, how would Jubilee ever breakthrough anything substantial with topics like these? I hope they see the feedback and take that into consideration!

    • @mznxbcv12345
      @mznxbcv12345 2 місяці тому +10

      Who started it?
      7th - 1168 deaths, 600 civilians.
      Preceded by
      2008, "cast lead" operation, - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440.
      2014, "protective edge" operation, 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492.
      2008-2022 162,000+ Civilian Casualties.

    • @Nick-mv7wv
      @Nick-mv7wv 2 місяці тому +45

      The goal isn’t to break through to find any truth. The goal is to get views and comments, which is precisely why they don’t moderate. And hey, it worked, here we are.

    • @prinnycupcakes4992
      @prinnycupcakes4992 Місяць тому

      lol for real, and that one girl says she can't go on facebook daily because she will see lists of people dying... like HOW. its in the statistics@@mznxbcv12345

    • @SnowsStorm1
      @SnowsStorm1 Місяць тому +4

      @@mznxbcv12345so are you suggesting hamas was justified on October 7th because of something that happened TEN YEARS earlier? If so was Israel justified because of something In 2005?

    • @mznxbcv12345
      @mznxbcv12345 Місяць тому

      2008-2022 162,000+
      numbers of the 7th was a statistical error lol save porcine tears for someone else.

  • @marjoleincloostra5665
    @marjoleincloostra5665 2 місяці тому +3

    I am from Europe. Understand the struggle from both sides. But this video is so powerful! It explains very well that both sides individual persons are hurt…
    I wish to all off you all the best!

    • @marjoleincloostra5665
      @marjoleincloostra5665 2 місяці тому

      And I always wondered; why is nato not blamed for the root problem? 🤷🏼‍♀️

  • @user-rw6fj5qc8k
    @user-rw6fj5qc8k 2 місяці тому +4

    When they all hugged at the end, it made me cry.

  • @vanessarussell7048
    @vanessarussell7048 5 місяців тому +1940

    Thank you all for telling your stories, despite how hard it looked to do so. I pray for an end to this conflict and peace for your families

    • @muniramajor7597
      @muniramajor7597 5 місяців тому +147

      its not a conflict its genocide

    • @serenitybysaf
      @serenitybysaf 5 місяців тому +59

      if only it were a conflict

    • @Liyyaxx
      @Liyyaxx 5 місяців тому +27

      @@muniramajor7597this word seems to have been watered down over the past couple months.

    • @muniramajor7597
      @muniramajor7597 5 місяців тому +31

      And yet you still dont get it@@Liyyaxx

    • @allme1003
      @allme1003 5 місяців тому +7

      Nga idgaf Israel better 🇮🇱🙌

  • @MsForeverFluffy
    @MsForeverFluffy 4 місяці тому +723

    Jubilee, you need to have someone fact checking things because we won't come to any conclusions at this rate.

    • @maazmustafa2322
      @maazmustafa2322 2 місяці тому

      Well guess what many historians who're themselves Jewish like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein are a nightmare for Zionists. Surprising how we all listen to Noam Chomsky on everything but reject him on this issue

    • @mznxbcv12345
      @mznxbcv12345 2 місяці тому +4

      Who started it?
      7th - 1168 deaths, 600 civilians.
      Preceded by
      2008, "cast lead" operation, - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440.
      2014, "protective edge" operation, 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492.
      2008-2022 162,000+ Civilian Casualties.

    • @dantho4574
      @dantho4574 2 місяці тому +2

      Jubilee shouldn't be responsible for peoples own "research" jubilee are jsut interviews but may have misinterpreted what you said.

    • @Centaur987
      @Centaur987 Місяць тому

      @@mznxbcv12345 it anything I'd say neither side started it. It would be either the UN for giving the land away or the neighbouring nations attacking israel on ints formation

    • @jcp1984again
      @jcp1984again Місяць тому

      @@mznxbcv12345 , the further you go back in history, the more muddled the righteous truth becomes. That's the problem.

  • @97legomaniac
    @97legomaniac 3 місяці тому +25

    This Ariel guy is so infuriating. Pro Palestinians literally would give facts or stories to at least make him show some emphaty and he just goes “no” or “well what about israelis?” Can’t have an honest discussion if he’s on the side for Israel

    • @97legomaniac
      @97legomaniac 3 місяці тому +3

      Actually everyone in the Israeli side are infuriating lmaoo

    • @CryptocurrencyInsider
      @CryptocurrencyInsider 19 годин тому

      @@97legomaniac only if you are pro_hamas

    • @97legomaniac
      @97legomaniac 16 годин тому

      @@CryptocurrencyInsider there’s no effort to even talk to someone as unintelligent as you

    • @97legomaniac
      @97legomaniac 16 годин тому

      @@CryptocurrencyInsider not worth talking to someone as unintelligent as you

    • @97legomaniac
      @97legomaniac 16 годин тому

      @@CryptocurrencyInsider not worth talking to someone as (un)intelligent as you

  • @yellowluma101
    @yellowluma101 3 місяці тому +2

    I would really appreciate sources and articles linked related to each topic and argument. That would streamline and make this discussion less chaotic and incoherent

  • @Yeerok
    @Yeerok 5 місяців тому +849

    He legit said throwing a rock is terrorism 😂 y’all can’t be fr. A child throwing a rock is terrorism.

    • @GusShukeireh
      @GusShukeireh 5 місяців тому +60

      😂 my reaction says it all

    • @noonieh7008
      @noonieh7008 5 місяців тому +75

      They’re insane

    • @jassu1321
      @jassu1321 5 місяців тому +99

      After he said that, I couldn’t take him serious

    • @ginamarie2953
      @ginamarie2953 5 місяців тому

      They're taught that arabs and palestinians are their natural enemy..

    • @user-ci5nv8yv5o
      @user-ci5nv8yv5o 5 місяців тому +9

      😂 exactly!

  • @nasreenbh.7373
    @nasreenbh.7373 5 місяців тому +900

    The "according to the law" discourse doesn't work. It's used to try and protect Israel, but it's never followed. Greatest example is all the international laws that Israel has violated against Palestine. If the international laws aren't being followed, how can you say your national laws are?

    • @habibihousepodcast
      @habibihousepodcast 5 місяців тому +18

      yup

    • @estabanfiesta3806
      @estabanfiesta3806 5 місяців тому +15

      lol oh its international law you say?? hamas is great at international law huh??

    • @mrbshbsh4122
      @mrbshbsh4122 5 місяців тому +133

      ​​@@estabanfiesta3806why is it that we should condemn hamas but not the IDF?
      Human shields?
      18000 palastenians died only 100 of them were members of hamas
      That means every 15 hamas fighters hide behind 2700 civilians....weird ratio isn't it?

    • @sidoso9810
      @sidoso9810 5 місяців тому +12

      we in argentina have a saying which goes ''made the law, made the trick''

    • @nami20622
      @nami20622 5 місяців тому

      @@estabanfiesta3806 But isn't Hammas the evil people, with your logic then the IDF are just terrorists like Hammas!

  • @mygbt
    @mygbt 29 днів тому +5

    As I see people hating on one another, I understand why this problem keeps recurring generation after generation. Family members are passing it on.

  • @brookeramosdickson2394
    @brookeramosdickson2394 2 дні тому +1

    Talal was so measured and respectful in getting his point across. Great job.

  • @anvisup
    @anvisup 4 місяці тому +589

    Not sure if people here can relate, but we need an episode with Indians and Pakistanis. I’m sure a lot of the south Asians would be interested to see that.

    • @jhunt5578
      @jhunt5578 4 місяці тому +13

      That would be interesting to me and I'm from the UK and mixed white and black.

    • @Doomer_Optimist
      @Doomer_Optimist 3 місяці тому +4

      I agree wholeheartedly.

    • @fozianoreen3495
      @fozianoreen3495 3 місяці тому

      No we don’t need an Indian and Pakistani episode 😂 pls I’m an Pakistani and pls don’t put us next to Indian. We don’t want anything to do with yall indian, leave US PAKISTANIS ALONE.

    • @fozianoreen3495
      @fozianoreen3495 3 місяці тому

      Nah 😂 u can’t compare Israel Palestine with Pakistan and india . Very different and we Pakistanis don’t want anything to do wit y’all Indians

    • @Kashmirimuslimakhi
      @Kashmirimuslimakhi 3 місяці тому +13

      Include Kashmiris in there too to be fair in that

  • @phoenixastral9046
    @phoenixastral9046 5 місяців тому +496

    Ive Never been this nervous clicking on a Jubilee video

    • @apemancommeth8087
      @apemancommeth8087 5 місяців тому +2

      💣 🔪 🔥 😂😂😂

    • @TheNinjapancake14
      @TheNinjapancake14 5 місяців тому +14

      Usually I’m expecting a mess but this is not the mess I want to see

    • @neilanthony9172
      @neilanthony9172 5 місяців тому +22

      and somehow this was the most mature conversation that has taken place from the other ones i did watch out of interest

  • @MemphesX
    @MemphesX 15 днів тому +10

    I can't believe that the second question ended with a statement riddle with such misinformation. "We have always offered peace but you have always been the aggressors."

    • @zerog1037
      @zerog1037 11 днів тому +3

      They have, but they want more than just the gaza strip for obvious reasons

  • @jajaja9991
    @jajaja9991 Місяць тому +10

    sooo what is the purpose of this episode if your not going to show the statistics and the sources of what both sides were stating? ur not giving the audience any opportunity to understand the depth of what they are talking about and the FACTS /TRUITH

  • @scareglare
    @scareglare 5 місяців тому +433

    Not directly related to the topic, but I think it's nice that there's a table that people can sit at now. It's different than the other videos but it's nice to see people relax behind a table and it's literally going with the phrase, "a seat at the table".

    • @habibihousepodcast
      @habibihousepodcast 5 місяців тому +8

      It’s a start for sure

    • @EveaGornall
      @EveaGornall 5 місяців тому +3

      Even in the Israeli-Palestine Middle Ground video from 5 years ago, they all sat at a table and then shared a meal at the end. It was beautiful

  • @Tishbishhh
    @Tishbishhh 4 місяці тому +481

    The gaslighting from the Israelis is insane

    • @ox1dyz961
      @ox1dyz961 Місяць тому +16

      The fact this comment went unchecked for this long is insane

    • @Hana-vt2ss
      @Hana-vt2ss Місяць тому +2

      as always

    • @Parkerone007
      @Parkerone007 Місяць тому +5

      How so if I may ask? By the way, I’m not disagreeing with you, I just have difficulty recognizing instances of when gaslighting occurs. 🤦‍♂️

    • @melodicvirginia
      @melodicvirginia Місяць тому +20

      From the ISRAELIS? Cuz the israelis seemed to still have some compassion for the other side while the palestinians on the panel constantly tried to suppress and delegitimize the other side, not even allowing them to showcase grief.

    • @Hana-vt2ss
      @Hana-vt2ss Місяць тому +34

      @@melodicvirginia 😂😂😂proved our point, thank you.

  • @ladycrystal3293
    @ladycrystal3293 7 днів тому +2

    The direct question that I did not hear: “What would each side do to heal the other side? “.(Solutions)
    It’s also interesting that Biblical brothers Ismael and Issac were mentioned. Abraham their father gave them both separate lands because he knew they would be at odds. Separate but equal nations.

  • @davidbkopp
    @davidbkopp 2 місяці тому +2

    1:00:40 Listen to this part and then look this up:
    The ratio of civilian-to-military deaths in
    1. All wars.
    2: Israel/Gaza since October 7

  • @robertwatson5030
    @robertwatson5030 5 місяців тому +422

    Ariel was completely wrong about his comment on Palestinians standing a fair trial. Palestinians of the occupied West Bank, are not citizens of Israel. Thus in Zone B, or Zone C, where the Israeli military has legal and de facto military control, when the military arrests Palestinian Arabs they are arrested and treated like military subjects. And thus not awarded the same legal rights as an Israeli citizen, who would be arrested in Israel. It is estimated that there are over 1200 Palestinians, who are held in Israeli prisons without trial.

    • @LaraCookie5
      @LaraCookie5 5 місяців тому +9

      This video was full of bios.

    • @feelingveryattackedrn5750
      @feelingveryattackedrn5750 5 місяців тому +54

      Hes an insane person for saying that. At least she was like "that is the rule of the land but maybe not the reality". Palestinians constantly protest this. Families speak to outlets all the time about their loved ones being taken away.

    • @elinabelov2646
      @elinabelov2646 5 місяців тому +3

      could you give me your source for the last your last statement

    • @ElectricPansies
      @ElectricPansies 5 місяців тому +29

      I have some facts below, and have cited sources, although it is up to you if you want to believe them:
      “500-700 children are detained by Israeli Forces every year. Around 13,000 have been arbitrarily detained, interrogated, tried in military courts and imprisoned since 2000, with thousands detained before this date.”
      Source: Defence for Children International - Palestine.
      “Research by ‘Save the Children’ found that Palestinian minors in Israeli detention endured physical, emotional and s*xual abuse. These children were often arrested at night and blindfolded with their hands and feet tied. 86% said they had been beaten, 69% said they had been strip-searched. Children reported being interrogated at unknown locations without a lawyer or parent present.”
      Source: Save the Children.
      “Israel allows minors to be prosecuted in military courts, which may accept confessions obtained by coercion or torture.
      500-700 children are tried in military courts in Israel every year, the most common charge is stone-throwing, which can a prison sentence of up to 20 years.”
      Source: Defence for Children International - Palestine.

    • @AFIXFORNIX
      @AFIXFORNIX 5 місяців тому +5

      To maintain some of the autonomy, Palestinians have their own legal system that handles all crimes that are not security-related. For security-related crimes, Palestinians are trailed by a legal entity under the Israeli military.
      If you judge Palestinians in Israel's normal justice system, this is de facto annexation of the West Bank. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want Israel to annex the Occupied Territories?
      This is not done to hurt Palestinians, and being trailed in military court doesn't mean you get an unfair trial. This is simply done to avoid annexation.

  • @k-oz9671
    @k-oz9671 5 місяців тому +534

    to say american media doesnt have a israeli bias is ridiculous. there has always been an israeli bias

    • @Meee22222
      @Meee22222 5 місяців тому +16

      💯

    • @rolewis13
      @rolewis13 5 місяців тому +2

      Pro Israel people are so delusional about western countries media.

    • @luismartins1713
      @luismartins1713 5 місяців тому +11

      just like there has been on the other side... like, im almost sure that both sides agreed on that...

    • @k-oz9671
      @k-oz9671 5 місяців тому +75

      @@luismartins1713 you can't have bias on both sides. there is more favoritism for the israeli side in american media

    • @mayaglick2795
      @mayaglick2795 5 місяців тому +11

      That is so not true! The American media keeps reporting things that are unbiased and apologising for their mistakes. They always rush to blame

  • @user-to2fo7zs2q
    @user-to2fo7zs2q 2 місяці тому +17

    There are agencies in Canada selling West Bank homes to any bidder and the Palestinian home owners have no Idea their homes are for sell....How bad can it get?

  • @user-wf1nh1ix2i
    @user-wf1nh1ix2i 2 місяці тому +2

    Amazing ! Thanks !

  • @GusShukeireh
    @GusShukeireh 5 місяців тому +2336

    This was stressful 😅. Wish everyone could’ve seen more than just 30%~ (we spoke for over 4 hours easily). Unfortunately, there were so many important points and discussions that people are not going to get to see. Either way, I appreciate the opportunity to share my life perspective and experience. Thanks to all of the people spreading love. ❤

    • @len-1768
      @len-1768 5 місяців тому +51

      I’m glad you had the opportunity to talk about your side’s perspective. I may not agree with everything everyone said, but watching this video helps me develop a better understanding of where everyone is coming from. It’s great to watch you in this video.

    • @brigardnerr
      @brigardnerr 5 місяців тому +179

      I don’t understand why they would not just upload the entire episode, maybe in two parts or something. This is such an important conversation

    • @WickedWestCreations
      @WickedWestCreations 5 місяців тому +57

      They need to release the full video!!

    • @GusShukeireh
      @GusShukeireh 5 місяців тому +65

      @@WickedWestCreations I’ll make a UA-cam video about it soon!

    • @_DeadlyNightshade_
      @_DeadlyNightshade_ 5 місяців тому +111

      You were really trying to be patient and it is understandable. The amount of trauma the Palestinians went and still are going through till this day is unimaginable. The fact that one of the Israelis mentioned partying (seems like parties and music festivals are a frequent thing over there) while Palestinians are barely living a stable life just says it all. It is clear from this interview and after seeing other interviews with Israelis (in parks, the beach and mall) that they're living a much more privilaged life with many of them not knowing anything about politics or history.
      Sending hope, strength, love and support from Jordan

  • @5starrr.mariii__
    @5starrr.mariii__ 5 місяців тому +2353

    we need a video with pro-palestine and pro-israel jews! it would be so interesting.

    • @len-1768
      @len-1768 5 місяців тому

      Followed by a video with pro-Israel Arabs and pro-Palestine Arabs.

    • @riccles8331
      @riccles8331 5 місяців тому +160

      and one with arabs

    • @n_justwatching
      @n_justwatching 5 місяців тому +41

      Yes! That would definitely be an interesting episode

    • @savannahrichardson254
      @savannahrichardson254 5 місяців тому +9

      Plsss😊

    • @ELJason2006
      @ELJason2006 5 місяців тому +22

      It would be boring a convo between nationalists and traitors

  • @illusion2719
    @illusion2719 Місяць тому +1

    I think this needs to be broken up a bit because it is such a huge conversation and at the moment everyone is at loggerheads and also have a discussion of what they want the future to be. What does their ideal future look like in terms of Israel and Gaza? Are both still there? What do they want the end of the war to look like?
    There is so much hurt on each side. To get to a middle ground they need to talk about what the future is going to be not how much they hurt. Which is so hard because it is still going on and it is traumatic on both sides. They have seen horrible things and there is so much pain and anger.
    To be truthful the war will not stop until both sides agree on a ceasefire, which won't happen until all hostages are released and they talk. Israel won't stop until they get all their people back and Gaza won't stop fighting Israel until Israel withdraws from Gaza which won't happen until they get the hostages. It's a viscous cycle that won't stop until people on both sides stand up and say enough.

  • @gloshley3095
    @gloshley3095 12 днів тому +3

    1:01:08 why should we risk our lives is a crazy statement…. The people in Palestine are risking their life just breathing and living there on a daily basis.

  • @Omar-lv1eb
    @Omar-lv1eb 5 місяців тому +1309

    Jonah’s comment to Talal while they were hugging in the last few seconds of the video during the b-roll saying “if you were born Jewish you’d be me, and if I were born Palestinian, I’d be you” was probably the most simple, insightful and empathetic comment I’ve ever heard.

    • @haroonafridi231
      @haroonafridi231 5 місяців тому +117

      There are/were Jewish Palestinians too

    • @2shy1151
      @2shy1151 5 місяців тому +17

      That point of view is the best place to re start these kinds of conversations. I don't expect the governments to do that, but someone has to.

    • @danieljessekaplan7034
      @danieljessekaplan7034 5 місяців тому

      All the Palestinian supporters here were Arabs and all the Israeli supporters in this are Jewish. Just two sides trying to protect their families, as simple as that

    • @abdullah-sx2qf
      @abdullah-sx2qf 5 місяців тому +28

      You mean Israeli, not Jewish

    • @Theoneandonlybish
      @Theoneandonlybish 5 місяців тому

      Not true real jews are pro palestine its against their religion to have a country called israel

  • @iamandreadaniela
    @iamandreadaniela 5 місяців тому +2069

    I respect the way Jinan kept her composure even when she was constantly being interrupted. I don’t think I could have been that patient 👏🏼

    • @kL-vs6wz
      @kL-vs6wz 5 місяців тому +63

      I totally agree, that was frustrating.

    • @kalebowman3649
      @kalebowman3649 5 місяців тому +87

      same with shawnni every time she was trying to speak she would only be given 2 seconds before someone would interrupt her and it infuriated me just let everyone have their time to speak their part before everyone just jumps in.

    • @mystery8207
      @mystery8207 5 місяців тому +267

      @@kalebowman3649shawni literally told lies on top of lies

    • @isaburntcake
      @isaburntcake 5 місяців тому +1

      @@mystery8207 same w Ariel 😭 like 40 beheaded babies isn’t even true. And the babies in ovens were actually Palestinians.

    • @fatumaosman9099
      @fatumaosman9099 5 місяців тому +234

      @@kalebowman3649no she was the one who spoke the most she even went on for a whole minute and lied about Israel not controlling Gaza’s water supply

  • @azarspeaks
    @azarspeaks 15 днів тому +5

    I'm a Black christian dude from midwest USA. I feel like I don't really have a dog in the fight but, as a global citizen, I won't just dismiss this as something that is "just happening on the other side of the world". I want to understand both sides and not just accept what others tell me to think or ride on any bandwagons.

    • @joe2times381
      @joe2times381 4 дні тому +2

      I've looked into this and it is pretty clear to me that Hamas is the issue and the Palestinians throughout their history don't seem to want to cohabitate peacefully with Israel and the Jews idk if it is because of religion or resentment but you can't be the aggressor then play the victim when Israel responds

    • @twist9268
      @twist9268 11 годин тому

      @@joe2times381bro israel legit stole the land of the palestinian people.

    • @kazi1072
      @kazi1072 6 годин тому

      It’s interesting cause black freedom fighters in the US have historically sided with Palestine! I believe that the issues they have gone through are similar to the plight of black people across the globe.

  • @JROC81686
    @JROC81686 2 місяці тому

    It’s so sad to see people not get along or have hate because of their differences. It’s so sad war is needed but we have to protect ourselves.

    • @chrisdawson1776
      @chrisdawson1776 19 днів тому +1

      Do you condemn Hamas?

    • @AmmarHasan-gd7xn
      @AmmarHasan-gd7xn 3 дні тому

      bro are you a bot@@chrisdawson1776, you asked 3 other people in other comments as well, and still havent been answered

  • @jonathanogebe7269
    @jonathanogebe7269 5 місяців тому +807

    I'm so glad Jubilee released another video on this. The biggest takeaway I have from this video is that empathy/compassion should be at the forefront, and that education is power. I'm going to be doing a lot more independent research and critical thinking about this situation because I have to take ownership of my education.

    • @soulyelos
      @soulyelos 5 місяців тому +17

      I completely agree with you. I feel that alot of the information being spread is one sided, so you can't fully take a standpoint if what you are taking in is already provided in a state of bias. I will definitley have to do more research to fully be able to undestand the situation at hand. But even so I believe I could not take one side because both have their reasons, as shown in the video, both sides feel wronged so we cannot deny those feelings. Hopefully this situation gets better. best wishes to both sides.

    • @jackpumkinhead9583
      @jackpumkinhead9583 5 місяців тому +2

      there last round table on this was ridiculously offensive

    • @TA-or3gf
      @TA-or3gf 5 місяців тому

      how so?@@jackpumkinhead9583

    • @sueblack5794
      @sueblack5794 5 місяців тому +4

      @@soulyelos It a thousand-year-plus history beginning with the birth of Jacob and
      Ishmael (which they mention in the video). It is a very very complicated history. Even when you know the history, it doesn't at all clear up the truth of it all.

    • @volvo_3877
      @volvo_3877 5 місяців тому +6

      @@sueblack5794Its so annoying when influencers try to take a stand on this when people with phd's dont even know everything. its a very long history

  • @chinenyenwamuoneke
    @chinenyenwamuoneke 5 місяців тому +653

    Its odd to say Israel isnt more supported in the west when our government just recently equated criticizing Zionism to antisemitism.

    • @AllanPowell
      @AllanPowell 5 місяців тому +1

      Smart people support Palestine. Idiots support israel

    • @Chugor8361
      @Chugor8361 5 місяців тому +67

      Chanting 'by any means' for sure does sound antisemitic to any reasonable person

    • @rockstarburne
      @rockstarburne 5 місяців тому +2

      amongst the people, there are alot of people on either side.

    • @chinenyenwamuoneke
      @chinenyenwamuoneke 5 місяців тому +45

      @@Chugor8361 I said more supported not completely. I'm not denying the existence of antisemitic people in the west or in the pro-Palestinian movement but its certain not the majority of protesters and they should still be given the freedom to criticize a government thats committing atrocities just like people are free to condemn Hamas without it being anti-palestinian.

    • @kianna270
      @kianna270 5 місяців тому

      Yeah our government has a relationship with Israel, but the media and prominent figures are more supportive of Palestine.

  • @tannershaffer3540
    @tannershaffer3540 8 днів тому +2

    Advertisements are out of line for the topic...

  • @joymontague251
    @joymontague251 День тому

    I know when my brother was over on the front lines during the Gulf War, it was so difficult, and I thought how did people in WW2 deal with war for several years.

  • @user-um8cz5qi4q
    @user-um8cz5qi4q 5 місяців тому +105

    the guy saying “nah that’s not true” when she was literally telling a personal story?? At 11:56 like how dare you ??

    • @Nollic15
      @Nollic15 3 місяці тому +3

      What proof does she have? People lie, especially Muslims.

    • @naylisyazwina6836
      @naylisyazwina6836 Місяць тому +11

      especially lol. Which Muslim country have you lived in? What Muslim friends do you have? Do you have personal evidence? I lived in malaysia, saudi, UK, and Qatar. Get to know Muslims in real life, not media. My American teacher lived in Qatar for 7 years and she said Muslims/ Arabs are one of the kindest people. She expected to stay for only 1 or 2 years but she stayed for 7 @@Nollic15

    • @meyer8726u
      @meyer8726u 27 днів тому

      Crackhead was lying

    • @TruthSeeker-yk4lf
      @TruthSeeker-yk4lf 4 дні тому +1

      People lie, especially to prove their point. She can be lying... who knows. He is saying there are laws in place, people don't just go to jail without proper reasoning.

  • @k.a._135
    @k.a._135 5 місяців тому +965

    Compared with other middle ground episodes, this was surprisingly less chaotic than I expected. Yes there were times were tentions increased ( which honestly unavoidable in a topic this divisive ) but they managed to settle down.

    • @radio-dada
      @radio-dada 5 місяців тому +23

      I agree, the burden is sooo high and they are actually doing peace in this very moment of talking

    • @v2vvs
      @v2vvs 4 місяці тому +15

      they lost a lot of people from both sides, that's why they talking in a emotional way rather than political way

    • @alexandra2402
      @alexandra2402 4 місяці тому

      The only way this is divisive is if you support genocide.

    • @darksupreme87
      @darksupreme87 4 місяці тому

      At the end they all want the same witch is peace, this generation you see now grew up a in a 70year during war, for decades both sides grew up hating the other side. and to reach peace both side really need to say it's enough lets stop the hate and join forces together like one guy suggested name the land Jerusalem get rid of the check point, the walls and become one country.

    • @redouane2602
      @redouane2602 4 місяці тому

      divisive ? a settler colonial and a colonized? bffr

  • @Chosen1JayD
    @Chosen1JayD Місяць тому +2

    More people of the world need to sit down and talk about their experiences

  • @TsalagiWaya33
    @TsalagiWaya33 Місяць тому +3

    Really enjoyed this. We need more of this. Obviously there was much animosity here but it was heartwarming to see they could agree and empathize with each other on many things. Really thought Jinan and Shawnni were the most level headed and willing to talk and listen of the group.

  • @brandonchristopher9657
    @brandonchristopher9657 5 місяців тому +555

    Last time I checked throwing a rock should not be grounds for terrorism I mean that's ridiculous I mean if you think that way you are immoral and ignorant

    • @lybakhan6246
      @lybakhan6246 5 місяців тому +142

      exactly! Israel is also the only country in the world that punishes children in military court.

    • @bertinbihizi1645
      @bertinbihizi1645 5 місяців тому +39

      I was like whattttt the F*

    • @ayaghadar1175
      @ayaghadar1175 5 місяців тому +36

      Yeah like what ??? That's not normal

    • @ethanweimer-kopf6907
      @ethanweimer-kopf6907 5 місяців тому +1

      @@lybakhan6246 because those children are carrying bombs and stabbing people.

    • @tangocat670
      @tangocat670 5 місяців тому +79

      the way he just called her a liar to her face too...

  • @partsofhazymind
    @partsofhazymind 5 місяців тому +1593

    I would also want to see Non-Israeli and Non-Palestinian people to talk about same topic in order to see the effect of media. Also thank you all for sharing your personal experiences it really helped empathizing with all of you.

    • @hsahrish7757
      @hsahrish7757 5 місяців тому +15

      Yesssss I totally agree

    • @truzle6133
      @truzle6133 5 місяців тому +144

      That is exactly what all of them were agreeing we DO NOT need! There are already too many non jews, non Palestinians, people who have no stake in this, people who have no education in this, giving their two cents. It is not needed.

    • @almog7337
      @almog7337 5 місяців тому +40

      No, really unnecessary and childish. They have nothing to do with the war

    • @hsahrish7757
      @hsahrish7757 5 місяців тому +19

      @@almog7337 what do you mean? There are millions of non Palestinian people who support palestine. What's childish about that

    • @k.a._135
      @k.a._135 5 місяців тому +6

      This already happens in media and there is a lot of it. You have jordan peterson, Owen Jones, Peirs morgan ironically with all the UA-camrs reacting to his interview clips, and many more examples.

  • @nadiasmith8752
    @nadiasmith8752 2 місяці тому +12

    What was the need to mention American Black presidents. Just because one person got into a position of power does not mean racism goes away and that there aren't systematic issues. That guy saying that honestly says a lot.

  • @loagzie38
    @loagzie38 2 місяці тому

    The end, watching them hugging and shaking hands brought a tear to my eye

  • @amandalisa708
    @amandalisa708 4 місяці тому +268

    It’s sad how the lady in yellow said she was the only one of her cousins who made it out of her country. How painful is that? That you have to “make it out” of your own home country. Your own home country.

    • @benb6527
      @benb6527 3 місяці тому +23

      Well this is true of many, many countries. Why are the Palestinians somehow unique from Afghanis or North Koreans or any other isolated population?

    • @tofuwiener
      @tofuwiener 2 місяці тому +15

      lmao you should look up how many jews were expelled from the swana region bruh

    • @benb6527
      @benb6527 2 місяці тому

      @@tofuwiener For real! 50% of Israel's population are migrants from the middle easy post 1948 - BECAUSE of Arab/Muslim hatred of Jews.

    • @oceanicwhale6146
      @oceanicwhale6146 2 місяці тому +13

      @@benb6527did anyone say they were unique? Where was the word unique used?

    • @zombiedietitian
      @zombiedietitian 2 місяці тому

      @@tofuwienerpeople like to ignore this fact. Also that the war was started by the Palestinians who refused to acknowledge the rights of the Jewish people.

  • @BuffPomsky
    @BuffPomsky 5 місяців тому +528

    If youre not willing to listen, you shouldnt be on this show. Many people seem to be here not to listen or find middle ground, but to instead convice the other side. Regardless of who you support, always be open to discussion and facts.

    • @andysplants
      @andysplants 5 місяців тому +78

      I agree, they shouldn't be allowed to speak over each other either, it's a blatant lack of respect. Ariel repeatedly interrupted everyone else, even when he didn't really have anything to add to the conversation other than 'I don't believe that'. If I was organizing debates like these I wouldn't allow people to interrupt each other from either side, maybe there's one microphone, and each person takes turns, perhaps politely raise their hand to speak next if they have something else to add. Its a respect issue and it's a practical issue. This is supposed to be a discussion, and I can't understand anything being said in the moments where there are 2,3, or 4 people talking over each other, all at once.

    • @stinkygremlin267
      @stinkygremlin267 5 місяців тому +135

      You can't fecking get middle ground when people are debating genocide.

    • @Random-sk6hm
      @Random-sk6hm 5 місяців тому +22

      ​@@andysplants I agree, Ariel and Gus from the Palestine side kept interrupting. They weren't there to find middle ground.

    • @marcosceles2789
      @marcosceles2789 5 місяців тому +13

      ​@@stinkygremlin267My thoughts exactly, sometimes one side is just wrong

    • @tayhonorable7421
      @tayhonorable7421 5 місяців тому +66

      @@andysplantshe was insufferable the entire time.
      Anyone from the Palestinian side: “kids are dying…”
      Ariel: NO. NOT TRUE. KHAMAS! KHAMAS! My goodness.

  • @raraavis4869
    @raraavis4869 День тому +1

    You can see the fear in their hearts when they compare throwing a rock to a whole tank. Fear breeds violence.

  • @Whos_That_GurL1
    @Whos_That_GurL1 День тому +1

    I pray for this conflict to end 🙏🏻

  • @esterelina
    @esterelina 4 місяці тому +869

    I know this discussion is about how the two sides see and experience the situation, but I still think it would have been important to have a fact checker go over many statements. They could have just put a little fact check banner on top with a source every time someone made a broad or strong statement. For example I don't think Shawnni deliberately lied about anything but I'd like to read more about the water issues in Gaza.

    • @jelenamilutinovic288
      @jelenamilutinovic288 4 місяці тому +15

      I couldn't agree more

    • @kareemt4526
      @kareemt4526 4 місяці тому +21

      But who's facts because even then they'll say oh that not true especially if it is someone from Palestine

    • @itsGiGi-
      @itsGiGi- 4 місяці тому +1

      Then the video will magically be removed from youtube and Jubilee will suddenly be pushed into oblivion.
      Facts are not allowed where zionists are involved.

    • @Robzabest25
      @Robzabest25 4 місяці тому +16

      some things can't be fact checked

    • @lenaferwerda9825
      @lenaferwerda9825 4 місяці тому +41

      ​@@Robzabest25if you have two people, one who is saying that it is raining and the other who says it isn't your job is not to quote both but look out the window, there is picture, video and personal stories proving how Israel is in control of how much water is allowed into gaza, and they provide less then the bare minimum requirement

  • @pippilongstocking5000
    @pippilongstocking5000 5 місяців тому +201

    Can you try keeping a speakers list in future episodes? I get that you might not want to actively moderate certain discussions because they're so heated that you want to avoid the perception (or reality) of bias. A speakers list is a widely used tool in meetings that ensures only one person speaks at a time but still allows everyone the chance to speak.

    • @Random-sk6hm
      @Random-sk6hm 5 місяців тому +4

      You mean like only the person holding the ball can talk kinda situation?

    • @KASP112
      @KASP112 5 місяців тому +8

      ​@@Random-sk6hmpretty much but more professional

    • @aaronaldo14
      @aaronaldo14 5 місяців тому +4

      Speakers list isn’t suitable for debates that invoke emotions connected to personal tragedies and self determination. It’s fine for e.g a climate debate, not this

  • @ferretsnax
    @ferretsnax 2 місяці тому +5

    "the act of throwing a rock or any object at military equipment, especially in a tense or hostile situation, could have serious consequences. Depending on the context and location, such actions might be perceived as a hostile threat or an act of aggression. The response from the tank crew or surrounding military personnel could vary widely based on their rules of engagement, the perceived threat level, and the specific circumstances. It could range from being ignored to prompting a non-lethal or even lethal response if perceived within a context of a larger threat. It's important to note that interacting with military forces in any confrontational manner is extremely risky and not advisable. Military personnel are trained to respond to perceived threats following strict rules of engagement, designed to protect their lives and the integrity of their mission." -Chatgpt4 when asked the prompt "what happens if you throw a rock at a US tank or Chinese tank? 3/5/2024"

  • @HK-Light
    @HK-Light 2 місяці тому

    Be as loud as your empathy is for yourself for another, and you will find you have more Comrads than enemies