Eggman's descent into madness! | Archie Sonic History
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Eggman, in the Archie Sonic comics, has been one of the most twisted villains to ever exist. Join me today as we look at Eggman's fall into insanity and how he managed to crawl out of that as an even more powerful enemy!
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I'm first and neat video
SO in sumary egg was robot then he was not
Then he was
You summed it up perfectly
@FantasticSamtastic Robo robotnik was always a robot that first version was always a machine, just built to look organic.
Then just before he was turned fully organic he did away with the ruse just to go full grey.
To go with that he also had the ability to Roboticize people just by touching them.
But because Sega wanted him to be more online with Eggman from the games they made him fully organic again.
EXCELLENT WORK. DOCTOR EGGMAN DECENT INTO MADNESS
The idea of a villain cracking because of the slue of defeats over the years should be explored and shown more
It's always fun when someone recognizes a song!
Cracking, it's funny because his name is eggman😂
If you can create borderline magical technology of turning flesh to machine, like Chuck dit, an alien technology with ability to turn machine into flesh is easy to accept. Also its fun to think about that the main reason for Eggman's breakdown was his new flesh body. Imagine being forced to eat, rest and experience heavy emotions like stress and anxiety after all those years of being a cold evil machine. Dealing with that while constantly losing against a blue rat you've already destroyed in your own universe is just too much for a psycho like Archie's Eggman.
As much as the foreshadowing of a future writer using the metal virus does make sense, it’s still a deus ex moment when one considers “And then aliens abducted them!” to seemingly solely undo some transformations.
Eggman losing his sanity didn’t just come out of nowhere. After Eggman successfully destroyed Knothole, and Sonic successfully saved everyone Eggman captured while bringing them to a new and much harder to destroy city, the doctor’s sanity was slowly starting to deteriorate.
Exactly, the final loss before he snapped was the straw that broke the camel's back
@@FantasticSamtastic Between the destruction of Sonic’s home and Eggman’s breakdown, we see hints of it coming. There are really good stories leading up to it.
Robo-Robotnik V2 after winning in his dimension. Hops dimension to fight sonic for "fun" because he was bored.
Just to have a mental breakdown at how stressful fighting Sonic is.
He kinda had it coming 😅
Yeah, the dude ended up being waaay too complacent. He killed his Sonic sure, but he may have forgotten that it was never that easy.
17:09 You missed a crucial detail. Sonic and Megaman were just trying to reset their respective universes back to the way they were. Megaman succeeded, but Eggman interfered, which caused Sonic's universe resetting to get screwed up, resulting in the reboot.
Eggman's mental breakdown actually makes perfect sense.
Before taking over Julians role, Ivo's life went well.
He beat his freedom fighters and had absolute control of his Mobius.
Because he didn't have all the failures at the hands of Sonic he wasn't prepared to handle losing to Prime Sonic constantly.
As you said...he couldn't handle the Chaos.
But once he accepted it he became much more capable...albeit more unstable.
Yes, better than fleetway Robotnik, who followed the same path, but he wanted to destroy everything, even himself, to the point that if he has the opportunity he will look for a way to do it, without a plan, nothing, simply staying there watching the end. of the world, happy. (I don't know what it would have been like if the comics weren't canceled and he developed that mentality of his, until something motivated him to become a dictator again and not "the devil himself")
The Archie version of Eggman is very evil compared to his IDW and video game counterparts. However, I do like how, like in Sonic Frontiers, they are humanizing Eggman, especially with Sage having the original ending being heartbreaking. I know he restores her in the end but it seems to be implied that he worked tirelessly to bring her back as he is not monologing to himself like he usually does even when no one is around. The simple "That's my girl" line always got me feeling a bit teary-eyed. He sounds tired yet proud.
It is hard to side with Archie Eggman in any way because he mindlessly, at least that's what it seemed like to me, wants to control the world to the point where it seems like he has no idea anymore why he wants to do it and just does.
What about the idw metal virus? Turning everyone into mindless zombots, and got very, VERY close to winning until starline went up and said “nah ima do my own thing”
When Eggman was piloting the giant tortoise, I'm surprisinged you didn't notice him muttering the lyrics to his theme song from Sonic Adventure 2.
This story has so many great panels of Eggman, they did a great job portraying his mental state in both the dialogue and art
7:06 on a random note, the panel on the bottom making a reference to pingas got a big laugh out of me
I find the best way to clear up the mixing of "robotnik" and "eggman" is by seeing "eggman" as a nickname
so his name would be Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. The only times where this rule probably doesn't apply is when there's a distinct confirmation that "Robotnik" and "Eggman" are two different people
I personally do feel sorry for eggman seeing him in such agonizing turmoil he’s literally more mentally sick than truly evil.
I think a crucial part to the story is the Eggman Empire arc, #173-177, In it Eggman destroys Knothole and breaks Sonic's sprit, this makes sense as he defeated the Sonic of his world, so he always believed he had the upper hand the whole time and only lost on purpose to toy with the heroes, although he does lie to Sonic when he claims that nobody cared about Eggman's conquest because he had already won, however Sonic (with the aid of his friends) defeats him, this leads to Eggman questioning whether he was right or not and also adds to his descent into madness.
You've brought in a new perspective I had not considered. I left that part out as I've briefly touched on it previously and I didn't think it would add much. Though this is something I had not considered and I'll have to make a more thorough video covering that. Thank you!
@@FantasticSamtastic Your welcome, thank you
“Did he need his mind so throughly broken”
Yes tbh
8:01
5 year olds when they see a Turtose sleeping: “Why Tortuse no workie?”
I liked the Archie Sonic comic reboot just fine. My main problem with it is that it makes the previous 200+ issues feel pointless, because you don't need to read them to understand most of what is going on past issue #252. Plus, many of the original characters that we've come to know and love were just erased from this new timeline. Screw you, Ken Penders!
Not pointless imo. Its just two different eras
Unrelated but seeing Metal and Mecha Silver Sonic in the same room is badass. Wish Metal and his predecessors would interact more in the games, as Superstars confirms that Robotnik still likely has older Mecha/metal Sonic models in possession.
10:01 that last panel goes hard on Eggman fear factor.
Whenever I see Eggman when he broke out of Snivley’s cell, I always think of the AOSTH robotnik because of how goofy his writing is
17:04
To be more accurate. Eggman and Wily started the Super Genesis wave. And to prevent them from creating a universe under their rule, Sonic and Mega Man Chaos controlled their worlds back to the exact point the initial Genesis Wave occurred from the doctors.
But Eggman interfered with Sonic’s plan, and caused the hedgehog to mess up while fixing his universe. Creating the reboot.
i love the hedgehog panel from his breakdown because it just looks like he's squealing his head off which is like the least robotnik thing ever, it's such a good and climatic panel.
Archie comics took their own liberties with the sonic lore, but also paid close attention to adapt all sonic video game properties they came.
When Robotnik got remade to be eggman, I assume that Archie comics needed to write their original eggman kut.
So I found something, I’m not sure if someone else already said it, but they said is real name is still Dr. Ivo Robotnik, but he’s called Eggman as a nickname by Sonic because of his shape. So everyone just started calling him that. That’s the best of what I found.
But IMO I always assumed Eggman was a nickname instead of made as his official name
Well the aliens remove the Robotized tech and put a lest say defense to future uses until Eggman use for the 1st time Genesis Wave to make the robotizer work again
If I had a nickle for every time a comic book Eggman was turned into a writhing madman after years of loosing to Sonic. I'd have two nickles.
Which isn't alot, but it's weird this has happened in two separate realities.
So, what I gathered from this summary is Robo-Robotnik is from another dimension who was introduced to replace the original. Later he temporarily brings back the original. Then, aliens turn him back into a human to essentially reset the status quo. Then the comic starts referring to the doctor as Eggman to keep up with his name change in Sonic Adventure. Later, after being defeated by Sonic several times, his mind becomes scrambled. But then he returns to his senses and tries to reset the universe. When that fails, he tries to roboticize the world. But that’s thwarted by Sally who then becomes a robot. And before any of that is further explored, the universe is reset once again due to real world legal disputes. Fast forward to today where the Archie comics have long been cancelled and retconned, and all I just summarized was thrown out the window. If I didn’t just watch the video, I wouldn’t believe any of this either.
That aside, I believe the reason the comics started to refer to the doctor as Eggman was due to him being called that in SA1. The reason they called him that in SA1 was due to SEGA wanting to try and clean up the continuity and combine the American and Japanese stuff. Hence the doctor’s full name now being Dr. Ivo “Eggman” Robotnik.
The comics still used the name Robotnik up until the reboot. Older folks tended to call him Robotnik while younger ones tended to call him Eggman. Sometimes Sonic would whip out a "Robotnik" or "Ro-butt-nik" for old times sake, but yeah, it just kinda depended on who was talking about him and why. It feels more real that way.
By Adventure 1 they were interchangeable because Sega of America would bring the Eggman name as just Sonic’s nickname for the the doctor. But his name was still Robotnik. But Avdenture 2 they went full “no his name is eggman just call him that”. But Sega themeseleves would adopt Ivo Robotnik was his actual name, and Eggman was just something he decided to call himself.
Going a little further, Rob-Robotnik actually won in his own universe. He defeated and Roboticized his universe's Freedom Fighters and sometime after moving to the prime universe, he blows up his original world, effectively killing that universe's version of Sonic, Tails, Sally, Rotor, etc.
There was also a time where he could instantly Roboticize people with a single touch. Although only Mobians retained mobility. If a human was robiticized, they'd basically turn into metal statues.
Eggman came from the Sega Dreamcast Sonic Adventure games, Sonic kept taunting him with the nickname getting all sorts of annoyed about it at first, but overtime he took the name as his own]
10:05-10:24 Casual reminder that Mammoth Mogul found this out issues prior, and his immediate reaction at the end of his whole Neo Fearsome Foursome arc was to tell Sonic to his face that he's going to simply sit back and wait at the Bottom of the Barrel Bar & Grill for Sonic to kick the bucket, and then try his hand at the world, even if he has to go through his descendants down the line.
Eggman was always his true Name
His full name is usually
Dr Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik in all English material
While he's always been EGGMAN.
In the comics they give him a different identity as
Julien Robotnik
Or Julien "Ivo" Eggman Robotnik
I like this version of Eggman cause after he figured out why he keeps losing he changes his approach from what I could see. When he once again lost he got mad for a bit, but quickly compossed himself. And the way he said it was less like someone talking about an opponent and more like a simple equation. Like "right, I forgot to account for that factor. Now I just have to redo the problem with it, and I'm good"
Eggman (Although this was his original name in Japan) was an insult Sonic came up with for the doctor at a random point in time. Even then he would still call him robotnik or robuttnik (another insult from Sonic Satam originally). I did not like Eggman name at first when I was younger, but it grew on me through the years
Just me of seeing sonic humanity for the Dr. Felt like the Batman and the joker 🃏 vibe
I like the comparison tbh
0:01 No, it was I, DIO…
6:56 Override passcode is “E.G.G.”…
7:05 Pingas…
My favorite part is "when did you lose all your hair"
My headcanon about names of Eggman:
His birth name was Julian Kintobor. His father changed his name from Robotnik after arrest of Gerald. (Simply decided to spell his surname backwards). Since his hatred of his name and worship of his grandfather he changed it back to Robotnik. Freedom Fighters, in order to derogate him, began to call him Eggman because of his shape. (Just like in SA) And since he embraced the fact that he's a bad guy he decided that he needs an alias as all villains do, so he went with this one. (Make them fear the humiliating name they chose for him)
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Eggman without his glasses actually looks intimidating.
I'm pretty sure Eggman was the original name from the games for Robotnik, as a kind of funny little nickname for the egg shaped villian. And when Sega expanded on the lore they named him Robotnik since his whole thing was making all the animals of Mobius into robot badniks
Snivley didn't die he was just really battered and was locked away in a capsule
If I remember correctly,that’s the last we see of him. It’s safe to assume he was left to rot
0:15 informationative
Bro
Eggman shot Sally.
💀
3:47 Simple, just RobotMan.
Could you imagine if IDW or Archie does a sonic comic where dr robonik/EGGman just gives up. Like it has him reflect on his life choices and past and has him think and talk to himself wondering if his vendetta against sonic and mobius is really worth it and if he is doomed to repeat these battles and plans over and over again and has him break down and feel sorry and bad for every horrible thing he’s ever done and all the people he’s robotisized and killed and all the damage and destruction he’s caused and has him just give up and go into retirement and finally make peace with sonic and just wants nothing to do with mobius at all but as one finale act of kindness he helps rebuild mobius and aids humanity by solving all of earths problems and then he retires and like dies of age but not without knowing that he was able to do one good thing that didn’t involve killing sonic and he tries to picture his life of what it would’ve been if he hadn’t turned evil or do all the horrible things he’s done
1:56 i don't mind their looks to be honest but it's your opinion so whatever i will respect it .
You do realize the OG Robtonik was killed off right? Like he died.
yes, I have a whole video about it
0:16 informational
Eggman is his Japanese name but adventure tryed to combine the name by adventure 2 they jest roll with in furnters he out admitteds he took the name eggman to get ride of a inusalt from sobic but yah Archie eggman is my favorite eggman because god damn he feels like the joker some time not helping after he becomes well he loves playing Russia rullet
Isn’t the spider mech the one in Flying Battery from sonic mania?
Different model
Dude. Robo-Robotnik is Sigma.
The answer is simple. Eggman is just a taunt that Sonic came up with much like Ro-butt-nik. Sonic is just calling Robotnik names. Robotnik his real name never changed. You literally show the panels where Eggman explains this in the video.
Even in the games Sega state his name is Ivo Robotnik but Sonic kept calling him Eggman, and he decided to accept it.
May you please give me a list of books on this arc? I would love to collect and read this myself! It’s such an interesting demonstration of repetition induced madness!
Sorry I must have missed adding the list in the video. Here are the comics seen in this video:
108, 110, 116, 118, 132, 200, 201, 204, 205, 206, 208, 209, 210, 211, 218, 224, 225, 226, 228, 229, 230, 231, 251, 252, 253,
@@FantasticSamtastic Thank you very much! I really appreciate you doing that!
the name eggman came all because robotnik is shaped like a egg
I thought he was Eggman from the get-go? At least in Japan? Then, from Sonic Adventure onwards, it was adopted all around the world?
@@cozykomala that is true but sega decided to make his real name Dr. Ivo Robotnik
@@sonicspeedstersyt2765ok. I remember the American and Japanese branches weren't the best at communicating back then.
Sally created the mecha Sally arc?
I guess she did.
She wanted no more pain for the others so yeah.
last time I checked Eggman only capsuled Snively not killed him, dont know how you JUMPED to that conclusion
To quote one of Eggman's last lines to Snively: "Nobody knows you're here except for me. And it's going to stay that way for the rest of your life."
That to me sounds a lot like he's here until he dies inside of the capsule Eggman put him in. That's killing.
@@FantasticSamtastic he was clearly still alive in world's collide and that was for several months, clearly he's being fed and being told how he lost by eggman every so often
@@anthonysmith3415 Right, but if you're going to keep someone locked away for their entire life you've effectively sentenced them to a very slow death. It's not living if you're trapped in a small room for your entire life
@@FantasticSamtastic you're reaching just to prove that eggman killed snively but he is by definition still alive, just mentally broken and slowly dying one day at a time like we're all doing, he was not killed, please don't say things that didn't happen in the comics it's spreading misinformation and that's not really a good thing, not trying to be rude but this information is incorrect and I'm just being pragmatic about this
@@anthonysmith3415 At the end of the day we aren't going to agree on this, this is my interpretation that Eggman leaving Snively to rot in a cell is essentially the same as killing him. Seeing his cell in Worlds Collide doesn't change the fact that he's left there to rot. If someone is locked away somewhere and no one is told where that place is or is even aware that they are locked away, they may as well be dead. This always read to me like Yu-Gi-Oh's Shadow Realm where people who were meant to be dead would be sent to to be forgotten about because it was too much for kids media.
If not for Ken's drama, the last we see Snively is when Eggman is leaving him, beaten and unable to speak to stay in a hidden cell. There's no mention that he's going to feed him or treat him well in any way and so it can very well be interpreted as him giving Snively a torturous end. This is a guy who is responsible for Robotnik's death and who is responsible for locking away Eggman and so, with that in mind it's hard not to read into that page. Heck, in Worlds Collide I'm pretty sure we only see the top of Snively's head and his foot, he can't even discern what his physical condition is.
We can blame my reasoning on my lit background and the fact that I'm used to making claims based on things read between the lines lol.
Song of storms , classic
Maluco so foi banido
look man, robot neck and egg men Amen nickname given by sonic alright, and my boss is a man's name, ok, I'm starting to get confused
*7!*
Who the hell are “the dark egg legion”?? Unrelated to Eggman??
Plz cover Knothole's destruction
I plan to!
3:34 - Who is "M', and what is her story? Which side is she on?
Eggman robtnick is his name
Eggman classic, adventure eggman and Robotnik are all different dimension versions of him not a real evolution of him
Believe in Japan he was all ways named " Dr. Eggman Robotnik. " they changed it to " Dr. Robotnik in America to seem more threatening to America audiences. Then changed that back to Dr. Eggman in adventure series to fit the Japanese series. I believe that's the full story .
And if we are going to be even more crazy . In the Fleetway comics his name was " Dr. Ovi Kintobor " and was turned into " Dr. Ivo Robotnik " after taking a blast of chaos energy while holding a rotten egg .
2:04 It looks AI generated
Lol, it just needs some extra fingers
@@FantasticSamtastic IKR?! Also: Why do Robotnik‘s eyes change? Do the comics provide an explanation for that?