One thing you didn't mention is where the genuine turn for Surge started. When Amy tells them they can leave the Restoration whenever she and Kit wants, Surge asks if she's trying to get rid of her. However, Amy replies that the choice will be hers and that no one will force her her to do anything she doesn't want to do there. Surge actually takes her words to heart.
Yep. because its something Surge never had so far: being given an actual choice into how to live her life. And now that she saw that she enjoys being a hero, I think she will form a team like Shadow did, on the good guys side even if not too fond of Sonic himself
This is reinforced although not immediately, by her deciding to betray the restoration and side with clean sweep inc by becoming a double agent, after she decides she's had enough and wants to quit Clutch threatens her and Kit and she's falls to her knees realizing she's being controlled all over again just like that Even if she doesn't realize it yet, she's better off just not doing dirty work for anyone because even though she's tough she's not particularly savvy when it comes to picking sides that have her best interest in mind or realizing when she's not in control of a situation anymore I think Amy's words will resonate with her sooner or later and she'll come to realize that she has nothing to gain by being a crook and it keeps inadvertently leading her to be under someone's boot, it'll probably be tough for her for a while but if Shadow can overcome the darkness within him literally anyone can... Well mostly anyone...
A lot of the new characters added in IDW are really solid. Surge and Kit are no different. Their backstory is honestly really tragic. Being brainwashed and experimented on by Dr. Starline to fit his needs. Even when Starline is gone, both (especially Surge) are still haunted by him. With Surge believing at one point that so long as Sonic is still alive, she’ll never be truly free. It’s honestly really sad.
Two things I would like to point out According to Ian Flynn, Surge and Kit are indeed kidnapped people, they were regular anthropomorphic animals like the others, but they were kidnapped and their inside were replaced with robot parts The second is a cool detail, in the panels where it shows Surge and Kit having sessions to rewrite their personalities, you can see that it only took Kit 30 sessions to transform him, while Surge took more than 200, showing that she was stronger to fall under those effects It also maybe explains why Kit is so much more committed to his role given by Starline, while Surge had no problems switching the role given for her, Kit on the other hand still follows everything she says, without ever going against her wills, and since she had no problem changing her goal, he also followed her in that, although that went on the opposite direction to Sonic (And about Starline boots having electric powers, yeah, that has been shown in Bad Guys, while he took down the guards and the other "Deadly Four" members with toxin, he destroyed the badniks in Eggman's bases using its electric effects) And a Fun Fact: The purple coat Eggman wears in the Phantom Rider Arc when he meets Sonic, Amy and Tails in a restaurant is one of the clothes he wears in one of Sonic Shuffle's mini-games mini-cutscenes
One thing that a lot of people do not know is that “tenrecs” are often called “fake hedgehogs” because they look so similar, so thats another layer for Surge’s identity crisis in context to Sonic.
It was somewhere around 2016 during Sonic's worst time when I abandoned this franchise and forgot about the hedgehog as a whole. Then there was Forces which finally worsened Sonic's fall and after Frontiers I started to notice the Sonic franchise a little until on my bad day I saw an unpopular video on TikTok with a Surge frame. I was immediately struck by its design and have never been so quick to go online to read a Sonic comic and literally in a day I read the entire Sonic IDW comic (then the last chapter was the beginning of the arc with Surge and Clutch) and I can confidently say that Surge not only brought me back to my favorite childhood franchise (if anyone is interested, I am 18 myself) but also increased my love for the franchise three times thanks to Surge and Kit, which is why they became my favorite characters in the entire franchise (you can tell from the avatar lol) and I already have a withdrawal desire to see future canonical Sonic games where Surge and Kit will be shown or even participate. I am infinitely grateful to Ian Flynn for adding such deep and well-written suffering twins
Apparently the Orangutan guy isn’t ALLOWED to have a name by Sega unless they are an important character to their name is important to the plot. Apparently he’s just called the Chief Mechanic in the scripts.
If Surge and Kit are brought to the good side (well the let’s not murder Sonic side) I would like to see Shadow to be the one to do it. They have some strong parallels of forgotten pasts and being made for a specific purpose. With all that I think he really could get through to them and his not super big into Sonic always sparring the villain attitude would work great here as Surge really hates it too!
Now that I realize it, Surge has some uncanny parallels to Shadow. - Created by someone related to Eggman. (Shadow by Gerald Robotnik; Surge by Dr. Starline.) - Has built-in powers. (Shadow has various Chaos-related powers, like Chaos Snap, Chaos Spear, Chaos Blast, and Chaos Control; Surge has electrical powers.) - Brainwashed by their creator to destroy people. (Shadow was brainwashed by Gerald Robotnik to destroy humanity; Surge was brainwashed by Dr. Starline to destroy Sonic.) - Took a heel-face turn after interacting with Amy. - Was believed to be dead after a long fall. (Shadow "died" after he over-exhausted himself and his Super state wore off; Surge "died" after being defeated by Sonic.) - Was / Is a rival to Sonic.
11:56 I feel like Sonic being so casual isn't because of his usual cocky personality. From his pov, he was literally clothes-lined by another speedster, only for said enemy to explain her entire backstory in tragic detail. He's overwhelmed by the information, unsure if he should be treating Surge as a victim or as an enemy.
I didn't even know TENRECs existed, I had to look them up to find out if they were real animals Since I saw that Surge is green with a black face I couldn't help but think of Scourge (you're right, Scourge is funny in his own way), it's funny it's like they were making fun of Ken Penders with Surge's design I hope Surge and Kit discover who they were before the experiments (I like the name KITSUNAMI, that combination of TSUMANI and KITSUNE is very clever)
2:00 She was actually suggesting assassinating Amy here, not sonic. Starline plan was to remove sonics allies slowly by play. Surge wanted assassination but Starline was against it because he knew sonic would be vengeful and full of motivation to bring justice. If Amy instead died in a “accident” then he’d instead be morose.
Starline is just a nuisance at that point.. he would already get on Sonic never and get a beating beyond the point of him begging for help considering the fact he tried to kill Silver there
Honestly, Surge & Kit are some of my favorite new additions to the franchise, I hope we can see them in a game someday, especially since their abilities have so much potential to be translated into gameplay
I am confident that if Surge were to be transferred over into the main games she’d become as popular as Shadow. Hell she is already in the mobile games and is the big fan favorite of the IDW characters so imagine her getting a wider spotlight. Give her a focus in… idk a new Rush game SEGA.
till recently, the mystery of who Surge and Kit's past lives and original identities were still remains unanswered but the writers deliberately kept it a mystery for now and with the 2024 annual, Surge and Kit are on their ways to become heroes in their own way but they still carry the mental goal that Starline programmed into them to replace Sonic and Tails, Kit even sees it as another opportunity to be useful towards Surge and use it to his advantage to try and control her as well i just know it won't end well anytime soon
I REALLY hope they keep her going on the anti-hero route.... Like, she doesn't even have to like Sonic ever. I just like the idea of her and Kit finally getting to be, and stay as heroes.
Surge and Kit are the most invested I’ve been in new Sonic characters in a long time, so much that it’s a bit of a shame they’re confined to the comics, but they continue to be handled really well.
I like Surge and Kit and their growing partnership. also like that they didn't outright have them just face-turn this arc, since they were introduced with a plan to take out the heroes and work for a crime lord. feels like that would've gone too far and them just coming to like people thinking of them as heroes and just trying to be heroes in destructive or outright villainous ways is a good middle ground for where they should be in the current run
I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE I LOVE SURGE!!!!! I LOVE SURGE SO MUCH!! I knew surge was awesome but I’d dint know all of her story!! This video MADE ME LOVE SURGE!!
I really hope Mimic actually gets his commupance and doesn't worm his way out if this situation, I feel like we've had plenty of time dedicated to his imposter/mole schtick and now that he's feeling backed into a corner I want it to stick and not give him another opportunity to slink away.
I wonder if she ever learns about the Chaos Emeralds, and how they might be the key to getting her memories back. That could potentially be her next goal, pretend to help the good guys stop Eggman with the Chaos Emeralds, only for her to use it and get a Super form that Sonic would have to beat in base.
I’ve never really been the biggest Sonic fan, only ever really hearing about it tangentially or occasionally reading an issue I stumbled upon, but this makes me want to actually start reading more Sonic.
I usually hate reading in general but when all the hype for SxSG was happening I finally decided to give the comic a shot and was FLABBERGASTED at how good it was. Like goddamn I NEED these stories in a game or animated series 😭
I’ve actually been binge reading Sonic comics after I made this comment. I started from the first of the IDW 2018 volume and have now reached the 11th one
6:30 I find it interesting how it took far less sessions with Kit to get his desired result compared to how many sessions he'd been doing with surge to instill the personality he wanted.
A small part of me wants surge and kit to be redeemed but, I have to accept the possibility that they’re beyond saving. If they do somehow get redeemed. They can be anti heroes that are willing to kill unlike sonic. 👍
I have to stop at the 3 minute mark. I just started reading IDW Sonic a few days ago and this sounds very fascinating. I didn't know who Surge was exactly other than one of Sonic's enemies, but now I'm very excited to reach her part of the story, whenever that'll be. I'll be back once I'm caught up!
That one moment in the Impostor Syndrome Issue, where Surge was crushed, she was **gravely wounded** Yet despite that, there were no scars left behind due to Metal Virus Passive regeneration... Even if she tried to, she can't physically become Scourge, she can't eliminate herself in a traditional way, she's can't die easily... ...which is why Sonic assumed Surge died in the fall, **because she probably did** She has a built-in not just a skeleton but maybe a reinforced Endoskeleton. In some ways, she has combat data of Sonic & Shadow from **Metal Overlord,** she, in some ways, is a Metal Sonic Tainted Coil of a gal, if she got infected by the Metal Virus, how much of it would be a metal skeleton after the rest of her organism evaporates with the rest of the living cells? _"[Sonic?] Not in a million years..."_ _-DmC : Devil May Cry_ Sonic & Surge can find a common ground, but not with that attitude by the time of issue #74
As a 17 year old who read the Sonic IDW when I was about 12 (and picked it back up at 16), Surge was MY FAVE character (including Silver, Tangle, Whisper, Espio, and Mighty. Shadow too. Just not IDW Shadow)!! She's just so badass and cool, dude. Can't wait to see more of her in future IDW comics, now that I'm caught up with all the issues and Annuals & Oneshots. Come to think of it, Scourge and Surge would get along well! Seriously though, Surge and Kit's backstory is really tragic---Kidnapped and brainwashed by Dr. Starline, and even after his death, she's still haunted by him, and is only not losing it due to holding on to the belief that killing Sonic means being freed from Starline...It's sad. (People will burn me at the stake for this, but Starline is one of my favorite characters too) Surge is probably the only arrogant, competitive, and cocky badass female character in Sonic, and I honestly am thankful towards Evan Stanley for creating the wonderful character that is Surge 💚
i think we're do for surge and kit to fall back on bad habits cuz growing up and changing is hard. now it doesn't need to be guts from berserk levels of angst but still falling down and getting back up is all apart of self betterment and i sonic and tails to be there offering that hand up.
Surge is my favorite IDW Sonic character or even my top ten. She may not be Scourge levels but Surge was the most fun villain we had in Sonic. She is tragic because she was made to fight Sonic. That is it. It's sad because Surge and Kit may have original lives. But we don't know because Starline destroyed what they originally had. Even when Starline perishes, both Surge and Kit are unable to move on from the past. Starline's manipulation made their lives so horrible they think everyone is going to destroy them. So overall Surge is the inverse of Metal Sonic. Metal wants to defeat Sonic to prove he is THE Sonic. While Surge wants to defeat Sonic as her only goal. The perfect tragedy. They were made to defeat Sonic and Tails. To be the perfect clones against them. Even when they got help from Clutch they are still treated horribly. Deep down they do want to be heroes...but they know deep down they'll never be free from Starline's control.
honestly i enjoy these 2 far more as anti-villians then as anti-hero's. there at there most enjoably when they dont wnne be friend with sonic or eggman and do wanne interact with the secondary cast.
@ yeah Scourge is probably never gonna return same with like 99% of the characters from Archie Sonic Comics and I liked some of those characters like Sally, Nicole and Shard at least the fans will keep them going with fan art and fanfics
What I want to see, now that sonic x shadow generations is out, is how specifically shadow reacts to Surge, because at that point, he should be able to understand/talk her and kit down more than any of the other characters
feel like Surge and Kit might end up a bit like shadow: not exactly on the chummiest terms with Sonic, but often having goals that align regardless and working together as a result, though maybe with more rivalry between Surge and Sonic than with Shadow (even if Sonic will probably praise her for followign her own path now). And in fact, makes me wonder how Shadow and Surge will interact, as Shadow does know how it is to have been one of sonic's enemies to ending up more on his side even if from a distance.
Ian answered this on his UA-cam channel. He said that Shadow wouldn't care about Surge and would ignore her presence. They'll never interact with each other.
@@blackout1524 I mean, they are bound to meet at some point or anotehr unless surge and kit get killed or something. But yeah seems like Shadow that he wouldnt talk to her unless necessary
0:08 that would be because(Probably accidently) Scourge is the worst of sonic made into a character, sonic as a character needs to be flawed because he is a person, how I believe those flaws are can be Narrastic, Petty and Arrogant and his Value of Freedom can definetly seem Like I said sometimes. So Scourge takes those flaws and makes them the worst they can be to show what sonic could be if he let it, they bounce of well because they're technically the same person in different decisions.
Is no one questioning that Metal Sonic wouldn’t have been fried. Because in his first appearance he uses electricity and in Sonic four he is fin under water so I don’t know how he could have been fried. If anything it would have put him into overdrive.
Heh.. Would be nice if Surge & Kit could stop being what Starline made them to be, which were villains wanting to destroy Sonic & Tails. & instead, become like their own selves, where they can do good, & feel that admiration.
Feel like Kit is just a sociopath. It would be funny if we find out their previous lives and Kit was a genuine lunatic cause man does he give off bad vibes.
One thing you didn't mention is where the genuine turn for Surge started. When Amy tells them they can leave the Restoration whenever she and Kit wants, Surge asks if she's trying to get rid of her. However, Amy replies that the choice will be hers and that no one will force her her to do anything she doesn't want to do there. Surge actually takes her words to heart.
Possible development
Yep. because its something Surge never had so far: being given an actual choice into how to live her life. And now that she saw that she enjoys being a hero, I think she will form a team like Shadow did, on the good guys side even if not too fond of Sonic himself
@@thorveim1174 Yeah, she probably will still hate that hedgehog with a burning passion
@@RavenGamingOverLordhey sometimes we Hate our coworkers but have to work with them to do our jobs that’s life sometimes
This is reinforced although not immediately, by her deciding to betray the restoration and side with clean sweep inc by becoming a double agent, after she decides she's had enough and wants to quit Clutch threatens her and Kit and she's falls to her knees realizing she's being controlled all over again just like that
Even if she doesn't realize it yet, she's better off just not doing dirty work for anyone because even though she's tough she's not particularly savvy when it comes to picking sides that have her best interest in mind or realizing when she's not in control of a situation anymore
I think Amy's words will resonate with her sooner or later and she'll come to realize that she has nothing to gain by being a crook and it keeps inadvertently leading her to be under someone's boot, it'll probably be tough for her for a while but if Shadow can overcome the darkness within him literally anyone can... Well mostly anyone...
A lot of the new characters added in IDW are really solid. Surge and Kit are no different. Their backstory is honestly really tragic. Being brainwashed and experimented on by Dr. Starline to fit his needs. Even when Starline is gone, both (especially Surge) are still haunted by him. With Surge believing at one point that so long as Sonic is still alive, she’ll never be truly free. It’s honestly really sad.
A lot? All of them are great, I cant think of one bad idw character
Two things I would like to point out
According to Ian Flynn, Surge and Kit are indeed kidnapped people, they were regular anthropomorphic animals like the others, but they were kidnapped and their inside were replaced with robot parts
The second is a cool detail, in the panels where it shows Surge and Kit having sessions to rewrite their personalities, you can see that it only took Kit 30 sessions to transform him, while Surge took more than 200, showing that she was stronger to fall under those effects
It also maybe explains why Kit is so much more committed to his role given by Starline, while Surge had no problems switching the role given for her, Kit on the other hand still follows everything she says, without ever going against her wills, and since she had no problem changing her goal, he also followed her in that, although that went on the opposite direction to Sonic
(And about Starline boots having electric powers, yeah, that has been shown in Bad Guys, while he took down the guards and the other "Deadly Four" members with toxin, he destroyed the badniks in Eggman's bases using its electric effects)
And a Fun Fact: The purple coat Eggman wears in the Phantom Rider Arc when he meets Sonic, Amy and Tails in a restaurant is one of the clothes he wears in one of Sonic Shuffle's mini-games mini-cutscenes
One thing that a lot of people do not know is that “tenrecs” are often called “fake hedgehogs” because they look so similar, so thats another layer for Surge’s identity crisis in context to Sonic.
The day when Surge appears in a console game is when I will jump up and down!
Surge is the character I most want to appear in an official game, and be part of the story. (not just a phone game)
Agreed
It was somewhere around 2016 during Sonic's worst time when I abandoned this franchise and forgot about the hedgehog as a whole. Then there was Forces which finally worsened Sonic's fall and after Frontiers I started to notice the Sonic franchise a little until on my bad day I saw an unpopular video on TikTok with a Surge frame. I was immediately struck by its design and have never been so quick to go online to read a Sonic comic and literally in a day I read the entire Sonic IDW comic (then the last chapter was the beginning of the arc with Surge and Clutch) and I can confidently say that Surge not only brought me back to my favorite childhood franchise (if anyone is interested, I am 18 myself) but also increased my love for the franchise three times thanks to Surge and Kit, which is why they became my favorite characters in the entire franchise (you can tell from the avatar lol) and I already have a withdrawal desire to see future canonical Sonic games where Surge and Kit will be shown or even participate. I am infinitely grateful to Ian Flynn for adding such deep and well-written suffering twins
and to be honest I'm even thinking about buying a fan version of the plush toy Surge and Kit because the fanaticism is getting out of control
Apparently the Orangutan guy isn’t ALLOWED to have a name by Sega unless they are an important character to their name is important to the plot. Apparently he’s just called the Chief Mechanic in the scripts.
If Surge and Kit are brought to the good side (well the let’s not murder Sonic side) I would like to see Shadow to be the one to do it. They have some strong parallels of forgotten pasts and being made for a specific purpose.
With all that I think he really could get through to them and his not super big into Sonic always sparring the villain attitude would work great here as Surge really hates it too!
Now that I realize it, Surge has some uncanny parallels to Shadow.
- Created by someone related to Eggman. (Shadow by Gerald Robotnik; Surge by Dr. Starline.)
- Has built-in powers. (Shadow has various Chaos-related powers, like Chaos Snap, Chaos Spear, Chaos Blast, and Chaos Control; Surge has electrical powers.)
- Brainwashed by their creator to destroy people. (Shadow was brainwashed by Gerald Robotnik to destroy humanity; Surge was brainwashed by Dr. Starline to destroy Sonic.)
- Took a heel-face turn after interacting with Amy.
- Was believed to be dead after a long fall. (Shadow "died" after he over-exhausted himself and his Super state wore off; Surge "died" after being defeated by Sonic.)
- Was / Is a rival to Sonic.
@@glacierwolf2155just to clarify, shadow wasn’t brainwashed
@@zackthemask I know, but implanting false memories is close enough to brainwashing in my eyes.
11:56 I feel like Sonic being so casual isn't because of his usual cocky personality. From his pov, he was literally clothes-lined by another speedster, only for said enemy to explain her entire backstory in tragic detail. He's overwhelmed by the information, unsure if he should be treating Surge as a victim or as an enemy.
I didn't even know TENRECs existed, I had to look them up to find out if they were real animals
Since I saw that Surge is green with a black face I couldn't help but think of Scourge (you're right, Scourge is funny in his own way), it's funny it's like they were making fun of Ken Penders with Surge's design
I hope Surge and Kit discover who they were before the experiments (I like the name KITSUNAMI, that combination of TSUMANI and KITSUNE is very clever)
Kit is such a little baby boo bop. I love him and Surge's relationship arc so much. Lovely video
2:00
She was actually suggesting assassinating Amy here, not sonic.
Starline plan was to remove sonics allies slowly by play. Surge wanted assassination but Starline was against it because he knew sonic would be vengeful and full of motivation to bring justice. If Amy instead died in a “accident” then he’d instead be morose.
Starline is just a nuisance at that point.. he would already get on Sonic never and get a beating beyond the point of him begging for help considering the fact he tried to kill Silver there
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Fantastic taste!
Honestly, Surge & Kit are some of my favorite new additions to the franchise, I hope we can see them in a game someday, especially since their abilities have so much potential to be translated into gameplay
I am confident that if Surge were to be transferred over into the main games she’d become as popular as Shadow. Hell she is already in the mobile games and is the big fan favorite of the IDW characters so imagine her getting a wider spotlight. Give her a focus in… idk a new Rush game SEGA.
Sega really sitting on a gold mine for all these new characters to be in games/animated shows and they don't even know it 💀
till recently, the mystery of who Surge and Kit's past lives and original identities were still remains unanswered but the writers deliberately kept it a mystery for now
and with the 2024 annual, Surge and Kit are on their ways to become heroes in their own way but they still carry the mental goal that Starline programmed into them to replace Sonic and Tails, Kit even sees it as another opportunity to be useful towards Surge and use it to his advantage to try and control her as well i just know it won't end well anytime soon
*The twist is that, Kit is the real pyscho all along* 😅
I REALLY hope they keep her going on the anti-hero route.... Like, she doesn't even have to like Sonic ever. I just like the idea of her and Kit finally getting to be, and stay as heroes.
Surge and Kit are the most invested I’ve been in new Sonic characters in a long time, so much that it’s a bit of a shame they’re confined to the comics, but they continue to be handled really well.
I like Surge and Kit and their growing partnership. also like that they didn't outright have them just face-turn this arc, since they were introduced with a plan to take out the heroes and work for a crime lord. feels like that would've gone too far and them just coming to like people thinking of them as heroes and just trying to be heroes in destructive or outright villainous ways is a good middle ground for where they should be in the current run
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I LOVE SURGE SO MUCH!!
I knew surge was awesome but I’d dint know all of her story!! This video MADE ME LOVE SURGE!!
I really hope Mimic actually gets his commupance and doesn't worm his way out if this situation, I feel like we've had plenty of time dedicated to his imposter/mole schtick and now that he's feeling backed into a corner I want it to stick and not give him another opportunity to slink away.
Amazing video, i enjoyed it all and is a great retrospec on the character. Im mega excited for you to cover more
I wonder if she ever learns about the Chaos Emeralds, and how they might be the key to getting her memories back. That could potentially be her next goal, pretend to help the good guys stop Eggman with the Chaos Emeralds, only for her to use it and get a Super form that Sonic would have to beat in base.
I’ve never really been the biggest Sonic fan, only ever really hearing about it tangentially or occasionally reading an issue I stumbled upon, but this makes me want to actually start reading more Sonic.
I usually hate reading in general but when all the hype for SxSG was happening I finally decided to give the comic a shot and was FLABBERGASTED at how good it was. Like goddamn I NEED these stories in a game or animated series 😭
I’ve actually been binge reading Sonic comics after I made this comment. I started from the first of the IDW 2018 volume and have now reached the 11th one
6:30 I find it interesting how it took far less sessions with Kit to get his desired result compared to how many sessions he'd been doing with surge to instill the personality he wanted.
The first O in Opossom is silent since the Australian Possoms are named after the American Opossums.
Bro put me on, I love this fictional rodent now
A small part of me wants surge and kit to be redeemed but, I have to accept the possibility that they’re beyond saving. If they do somehow get redeemed. They can be anti heroes that are willing to kill unlike sonic. 👍
I have to stop at the 3 minute mark. I just started reading IDW Sonic a few days ago and this sounds very fascinating. I didn't know who Surge was exactly other than one of Sonic's enemies, but now I'm very excited to reach her part of the story, whenever that'll be. I'll be back once I'm caught up!
There needs to be a Surge beat-em-up game with heavy electric guitar music.
I feel the need to clarify that Mimic is actually a Mimic Octopus, not a Squid.
Not really that important, but I'm a huge fan of squids.
Scourge is honestly my favorite character in the series. Her personality and overall character is a huge refresh to the series!
Scourge isn't surgw
@@reggielacey2235Surgw Isnt Surge lmao
Surge and Kitsunami my beloved 💚💛🩵💙
That one moment in the Impostor Syndrome Issue, where Surge was crushed, she was **gravely wounded**
Yet despite that, there were no scars left behind due to Metal Virus Passive regeneration...
Even if she tried to, she can't physically become Scourge, she can't eliminate herself in a traditional way, she's can't die easily...
...which is why Sonic assumed Surge died in the fall, **because she probably did**
She has a built-in not just a skeleton but maybe a reinforced Endoskeleton.
In some ways, she has combat data of Sonic & Shadow from **Metal Overlord,** she, in some ways, is a Metal Sonic
Tainted Coil of a gal, if she got infected by the Metal Virus, how much of it would be a metal skeleton after the rest of her organism evaporates with the rest of the living cells?
_"[Sonic?] Not in a million years..."_
_-DmC : Devil May Cry_
Sonic & Surge can find a common ground, but not with that attitude by the time of issue #74
As a 17 year old who read the Sonic IDW when I was about 12 (and picked it back up at 16), Surge was MY FAVE character (including Silver, Tangle, Whisper, Espio, and Mighty. Shadow too. Just not IDW Shadow)!! She's just so badass and cool, dude. Can't wait to see more of her in future IDW comics, now that I'm caught up with all the issues and Annuals & Oneshots.
Come to think of it, Scourge and Surge would get along well! Seriously though, Surge and Kit's backstory is really tragic---Kidnapped and brainwashed by Dr. Starline, and even after his death, she's still haunted by him, and is only not losing it due to holding on to the belief that killing Sonic means being freed from Starline...It's sad. (People will burn me at the stake for this, but Starline is one of my favorite characters too)
Surge is probably the only arrogant, competitive, and cocky badass female character in Sonic, and I honestly am thankful towards Evan Stanley for creating the wonderful character that is Surge 💚
I really like surge and kit they are really awesome characters and tons of fun.
i think we're do for surge and kit to fall back on bad habits cuz growing up and changing is hard. now it doesn't need to be guts from berserk levels of angst but still falling down and getting back up is all apart of self betterment and i sonic and tails to be there offering that hand up.
Surge is my second favorite Sonic character only beaten by Shadow, I hope they get an arch together in the future
Surge is my favorite IDW Sonic character or even my top ten. She may not be Scourge levels but Surge was the most fun villain we had in Sonic. She is tragic because she was made to fight Sonic. That is it. It's sad because Surge and Kit may have original lives. But we don't know because Starline destroyed what they originally had.
Even when Starline perishes, both Surge and Kit are unable to move on from the past. Starline's manipulation made their lives so horrible they think everyone is going to destroy them. So overall Surge is the inverse of Metal Sonic. Metal wants to defeat Sonic to prove he is THE Sonic. While Surge wants to defeat Sonic as her only goal.
The perfect tragedy. They were made to defeat Sonic and Tails. To be the perfect clones against them. Even when they got help from Clutch they are still treated horribly. Deep down they do want to be heroes...but they know deep down they'll never be free from Starline's control.
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honestly i enjoy these 2 far more as anti-villians then as anti-hero's. there at there most enjoably when they dont wnne be friend with sonic or eggman and do wanne interact with the secondary cast.
28:32 There was Gold the Tenrec from Archie
Good video!
I recently started reading battle for the Empire and it is peak.
I like Surge but I like Scourge better
Edit I still find Surge enjoyable but I would’ve liked to see Scourge return
Never gonna happen
@ yeah Scourge is probably never gonna return same with like 99% of the characters from Archie Sonic Comics and I liked some of those characters like Sally, Nicole and Shard at least the fans will keep them going with fan art and fanfics
Thanks to Ken Penders
I know IDW isn't perfect but I'm so glad to see someone not dumping on it consistently.
In the IDW Sonic run, all my favorite characters are the ones the IDW introduced.
30:02 I love how pissed off Amy looks. It's funny and terrifying as it looks like she is considering teeing-off Eggman's head.
Angry Amy finally shows up again. I like it.
I absolutely love Surge and Kit! They are my favorite characters to date bro!
What I want to see, now that sonic x shadow generations is out, is how specifically shadow reacts to Surge, because at that point, he should be able to understand/talk her and kit down more than any of the other characters
There a lots of Archie/IDW characters that deserve to be in the games
I hope she meets shadow soon, maybe he can help her become the hero she wants to be
the mother of the girl was the wife of the conductor from "who murdered sonic the hedgehog"
feel like Surge and Kit might end up a bit like shadow: not exactly on the chummiest terms with Sonic, but often having goals that align regardless and working together as a result, though maybe with more rivalry between Surge and Sonic than with Shadow (even if Sonic will probably praise her for followign her own path now).
And in fact, makes me wonder how Shadow and Surge will interact, as Shadow does know how it is to have been one of sonic's enemies to ending up more on his side even if from a distance.
Ian answered this on his UA-cam channel. He said that Shadow wouldn't care about Surge and would ignore her presence. They'll never interact with each other.
@@blackout1524 I mean, they are bound to meet at some point or anotehr unless surge and kit get killed or something. But yeah seems like Shadow that he wouldnt talk to her unless necessary
@thorveim1174 shadow barely gets any screen time. So the chances of them meeting is close to zero.
Surge is also my fav idw character!!!
I really feel bad for Surge and Kit. They never asked for any of this.
Have you considered talking about adam, mammoth mogu l, eclipse iron queen, and dmitri
The Androids 17 and 18 of Sonic
Off topic but why is my boy eggman pimped out bro just wanted to flex 😭🙏
0:08 that would be because(Probably accidently) Scourge is the worst of sonic made into a character, sonic as a character needs to be flawed because he is a person, how I believe those flaws are can be Narrastic, Petty and Arrogant and his Value of Freedom can definetly seem Like I said sometimes.
So Scourge takes those flaws and makes them the worst they can be to show what sonic could be if he let it, they bounce of well because they're technically the same person in different decisions.
Is no one questioning that Metal Sonic wouldn’t have been fried. Because in his first appearance he uses electricity and in Sonic four he is fin under water so I don’t know how he could have been fried. If anything it would have put him into overdrive.
The orangutan's name is Shaggy
Interesting
This may sound like a silly complaint but I was a little disappointed that Kit was a fox. Couldn't they have found something more unique?
29:09 "OH! Eggman is bisexual i didnt know that!!
Heh.. Would be nice if Surge & Kit could stop being what Starline made them to be, which were villains wanting to destroy Sonic & Tails. & instead, become like their own selves, where they can do good, & feel that admiration.
Sonic became a kamen rider 🦗🏍
25:49 i see what ya did there
Ne'er clicked a vid so fast
Surgge honestly is my fav girl character, frick rouge😅
Feel like Kit is just a sociopath. It would be funny if we find out their previous lives and Kit was a genuine lunatic cause man does he give off bad vibes.
I mean true, but the bar is so low... *are* there any other new anti-heroes in the comics?
You forgot wife. She's angy wife material.
Shadow:
Awww shizzz nah eeee, Surge is mindblowingly sick , uhhh my edgy wedgy is in my COLON
dr gero if he was compotent
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IDW hate is so forced
The only good new character. Kit i could care less about. I don't like how much of a jobber he has
"oh no he's bissexual"