One thing you didn't mention is where the genuine turn for Surge started. When Amy tells them they can leave the Restoration whenever she and Kit wants, Surge asks if she's trying to get rid of her. However, Amy replies that the choice will be hers and that no one will force her her to do anything she doesn't want to do there. Surge actually takes her words to heart.
Yep. because its something Surge never had so far: being given an actual choice into how to live her life. And now that she saw that she enjoys being a hero, I think she will form a team like Shadow did, on the good guys side even if not too fond of Sonic himself
This is reinforced although not immediately, by her deciding to betray the restoration and side with clean sweep inc by becoming a double agent, after she decides she's had enough and wants to quit Clutch threatens her and Kit and she's falls to her knees realizing she's being controlled all over again just like that Even if she doesn't realize it yet, she's better off just not doing dirty work for anyone because even though she's tough she's not particularly savvy when it comes to picking sides that have her best interest in mind or realizing when she's not in control of a situation anymore I think Amy's words will resonate with her sooner or later and she'll come to realize that she has nothing to gain by being a crook and it keeps inadvertently leading her to be under someone's boot, it'll probably be tough for her for a while but if Shadow can overcome the darkness within him literally anyone can... Well mostly anyone...
One thing that a lot of people do not know is that “tenrecs” are often called “fake hedgehogs” because they look so similar, so thats another layer for Surge’s identity crisis in context to Sonic.
Two things I would like to point out According to Ian Flynn, Surge and Kit are indeed kidnapped people, they were regular anthropomorphic animals like the others, but they were kidnapped and their inside were replaced with robot parts The second is a cool detail, in the panels where it shows Surge and Kit having sessions to rewrite their personalities, you can see that it only took Kit 30 sessions to transform him, while Surge took more than 200, showing that she was stronger to fall under those effects It also maybe explains why Kit is so much more committed to his role given by Starline, while Surge had no problems switching the role given for her, Kit on the other hand still follows everything she says, without ever going against her wills, and since she had no problem changing her goal, he also followed her in that, although that went on the opposite direction to Sonic (And about Starline boots having electric powers, yeah, that has been shown in Bad Guys, while he took down the guards and the other "Deadly Four" members with toxin, he destroyed the badniks in Eggman's bases using its electric effects) And a Fun Fact: The purple coat Eggman wears in the Phantom Rider Arc when he meets Sonic, Amy and Tails in a restaurant is one of the clothes he wears in one of Sonic Shuffle's mini-games mini-cutscenes
@ThisisTheUltimate It would an interesting development if Surge & Kit had a side-story with them somehow discovering their past selves before the kidnapping and coming to grips with who they once were and who they are now.
11:56 I feel like Sonic being so casual isn't because of his usual cocky personality. From his pov, he was literally clothes-lined by another speedster, only for said enemy to explain her entire backstory in tragic detail. He's overwhelmed by the information, unsure if he should be treating Surge as a victim or as an enemy.
I think it's also because he's done this song and dance before. We have no idea how Silver actually ended up first meeting them nowadays because 06 ends by making itself noncanon, but he already did all this drama with Shadow before. And Knuckles. If those two are Vegeta and Piccolo, she's DBS Broly. At this point, he's not even questioning "yeah, I'm gonna make this one a friend/rival" because that's what he does. It's like, "Yeah, every now and then another confused mess of a person shows up and tries to kill me but ends up being best buddy, it must be that time of the year again".
2:00 She was actually suggesting assassinating Amy here, not sonic. Starline plan was to remove sonics allies slowly by play. Surge wanted assassination but Starline was against it because he knew sonic would be vengeful and full of motivation to bring justice. If Amy instead died in a “accident” then he’d instead be morose.
Starline is just a nuisance at that point.. he would already get on Sonic never and get a beating beyond the point of him begging for help considering the fact he tried to kill Silver there
A lot of the new characters added in IDW are really solid. Surge and Kit are no different. Their backstory is honestly really tragic. Being brainwashed and experimented on by Dr. Starline to fit his needs. Even when Starline is gone, both (especially Surge) are still haunted by him. With Surge believing at one point that so long as Sonic is still alive, she’ll never be truly free. It’s honestly really sad.
@@mt32boi45nah fr, they’re all pretty solid, tangle, whisper, surge, kit, starline, they all fit so well into the comic and they’re actually interesting and fun to watch interact with the main cast. Ian Flynn was even able to breath some life into zavoks character
Apparently the Orangutan guy isn’t ALLOWED to have a name by Sega unless they are an important character to their name is important to the plot. Apparently he’s just called the Chief Mechanic in the scripts.
I am confident that if Surge were to be transferred over into the main games she’d become as popular as Shadow. Hell she is already in the mobile games and is the big fan favorite of the IDW characters so imagine her getting a wider spotlight. Give her a focus in… idk a new Rush game SEGA.
It was somewhere around 2016 during Sonic's worst time when I abandoned this franchise and forgot about the hedgehog as a whole. Then there was Forces which finally worsened Sonic's fall and after Frontiers I started to notice the Sonic franchise a little until on my bad day I saw an unpopular video on TikTok with a Surge frame. I was immediately struck by its design and have never been so quick to go online to read a Sonic comic and literally in a day I read the entire Sonic IDW comic (then the last chapter was the beginning of the arc with Surge and Clutch) and I can confidently say that Surge not only brought me back to my favorite childhood franchise (if anyone is interested, I am 18 myself) but also increased my love for the franchise three times thanks to Surge and Kit, which is why they became my favorite characters in the entire franchise (you can tell from the avatar lol) and I already have a withdrawal desire to see future canonical Sonic games where Surge and Kit will be shown or even participate. I am infinitely grateful to Ian Flynn for adding such deep and well-written suffering twins
the comics are really amazing. i only became a sonic fan at the start of this year because of sonic prime (watched it like a few days before season 3 released) and IDW was one of the first things i got into, it really helped me fully get into the franchise and it's still probably my favorite sonic thing
I have to stop at the 3 minute mark. I just started reading IDW Sonic a few days ago and this sounds very fascinating. I didn't know who Surge was exactly other than one of Sonic's enemies, but now I'm very excited to reach her part of the story, whenever that'll be. I'll be back once I'm caught up!
If Surge and Kit are brought to the good side (well the let’s not murder Sonic side) I would like to see Shadow to be the one to do it. They have some strong parallels of forgotten pasts and being made for a specific purpose. With all that I think he really could get through to them and his not super big into Sonic always sparring the villain attitude would work great here as Surge really hates it too!
Now that I realize it, Surge has some uncanny parallels to Shadow. - Created by someone related to Eggman. (Shadow by Gerald Robotnik; Surge by Dr. Starline.) - Has built-in powers. (Shadow has various Chaos-related powers, like Chaos Snap, Chaos Spear, Chaos Blast, and Chaos Control; Surge has electrical powers.) - Brainwashed by their creator to destroy people. (Shadow was brainwashed by Gerald Robotnik to destroy humanity; Surge was brainwashed by Dr. Starline to destroy Sonic.) - Took a heel-face turn after interacting with Amy. - Was believed to be dead after a long fall. (Shadow "died" after he over-exhausted himself and his Super state wore off; Surge "died" after being defeated by Sonic.) - Was / Is a rival to Sonic.
@@glacierwolf2155exactly, that’s why I would love an interaction with those three, now that it seem they can write shadow a little more easily and better
I would love for Surge and Shadow to meet, not remotely get along while being forced to work together, things to go really wrong and Surge ending up trauma dumping, Shadow to be like "oh boo hoo, you think you're special?" and them end up bonding and getting along after Shadow outlines his own past to her including Black Doom and whatnot, with both of them being like "only other person who both can understand how it is" with Shadow making inroads with Surge because he just refuses to humor her angst or pity her at all. Like, him sharing his past isn't "yeah it sucks", it's "get over it, I'm not acting like you and I've been through the same crap, grow up" and it works because she can respect that. And then later on having a hilarious scene where Surge, Sonic, and Shadow are in the same room and Sonic explicitly outlines what happened with Shadow in SA2 and he's just cringing and trying to make himself small while Surge is laughing her ass off at him because he _did_ act exactly like her. Pure "don't tell her that, you're ruining my cool aura and badass Kamina treatment of her".
As a long-time Archie fan to now reading IDW, *man* do Surge and Kit really bring something to the table that I didn't realize was missing until now: Characters that *do* want to be heroes, but are willing to get *just as underhanded as the villians* to accomplish that. Sure, Sonic and his friends have similar moments from time to time, but they tend to favor integrity above all else and save craftiness for last (unless it's Eggman cause "fire with fire"). It's not their *immediate* choice though, nor is it usually to the same degree. So I'm happy these two are essentially becoming "heroic wildcards" that don't care about "aligning with the good guys," they just want to *do good* the ways *they* know how. Hoping that keeps up because it really sets them apart in a positive way (especially among the IDW exclusive cast).
6:30 I find it interesting how it took far less sessions with Kit to get his desired result compared to how many sessions he'd been doing with surge to instill the personality he wanted.
I think that because if you look at her eyes and body language you can tell that she's completely different personality wise now and was likely a much more kind/caring person before.
I REALLY hope they keep her going on the anti-hero route.... Like, she doesn't even have to like Sonic ever. I just like the idea of her and Kit finally getting to be, and stay as heroes.
I hope so too. I would love for the character development there to end up looping in Shadow. Sonic can't really understand their trauma. Shadow? He can just be like "Yeah, you think that's bad? My controlling evil creator was an alien. Who tried to destroy the planet. And my other dad was Eggman's grandpa. And then my sister was gunned down in front of my eyes." Shadow putting things into perspective via relating Kit to Maria.
I really hope Mimic actually gets his commupance and doesn't worm his way out if this situation, I feel like we've had plenty of time dedicated to his imposter/mole schtick and now that he's feeling backed into a corner I want it to stick and not give him another opportunity to slink away.
Electrocution can result in heart attacks. Perhaps have Surge turning good cemented by her accidentally killing him via too much electricity. Plus, then the decoy octopus dies of a heart attack and it brings the FOXHOUND joke full circle.
I didn't even know TENRECs existed, I had to look them up to find out if they were real animals Since I saw that Surge is green with a black face I couldn't help but think of Scourge (you're right, Scourge is funny in his own way), it's funny it's like they were making fun of Ken Penders with Surge's design I hope Surge and Kit discover who they were before the experiments (I like the name KITSUNAMI, that combination of TSUNAMII and KITSUNE is very clever)
let's not go around saying they're trying to make fun of ken penders with the design of another character. scourge's green design was not made at all by ken penders but instead by patrick spaziante, with ian flynn being the one to write the design into the canon. if anything, both scourge and surge in their designs took inspiration from the same place: "ashura" the hedgehog, a green sonic glitch from sonic the hedgehog 2. scourge's design was a bit more loosely inspired by it while surge more directly references it, down to the black spot in her face.
Honestly, Surge & Kit are some of my favorite new additions to the franchise, I hope we can see them in a game someday, especially since their abilities have so much potential to be translated into gameplay
Thank you for this detailed summary and somewhat analysis of Surge and Kit's stories in the comics. I have no time to read them, nor am I interested in that plane of Sonic lore cus it's just too much for me, but standouts like Surge, Scourge and Eclipse (and now Kit!) really intrigue me and your video makes these characters accessible for me to learn and understand the love for then
till recently, the mystery of who Surge and Kit's past lives and original identities were still remains unanswered but the writers deliberately kept it a mystery for now and with the 2024 annual, Surge and Kit are on their ways to become heroes in their own way but they still carry the mental goal that Starline programmed into them to replace Sonic and Tails, Kit even sees it as another opportunity to be useful towards Surge and use it to his advantage to try and control her as well i just know it won't end well anytime soon
As a 17 year old who read the Sonic IDW when I was about 12 (and picked it back up at 16), Surge was MY FAVE character (including Silver, Tangle, Whisper, Espio, and Mighty. Shadow too. Just not IDW Shadow)!! She's just so badass and cool, dude. Can't wait to see more of her in future IDW comics, now that I'm caught up with all the issues and Annuals & Oneshots. Come to think of it, Scourge and Surge would get along well! Seriously though, Surge and Kit's backstory is really tragic---Kidnapped and brainwashed by Dr. Starline, and even after his death, she's still haunted by him, and is only not losing it due to holding on to the belief that killing Sonic means being freed from Starline...It's sad. (People will burn me at the stake for this, but Starline is one of my favorite characters too) Surge is probably the only arrogant, competitive, and cocky badass female character in Sonic, and I honestly am thankful towards Evan Stanley for creating the wonderful character that is Surge 💚
I’ve never really been the biggest Sonic fan, only ever really hearing about it tangentially or occasionally reading an issue I stumbled upon, but this makes me want to actually start reading more Sonic.
I usually hate reading in general but when all the hype for SxSG was happening I finally decided to give the comic a shot and was FLABBERGASTED at how good it was. Like goddamn I NEED these stories in a game or animated series 😭
I’ve actually been binge reading Sonic comics after I made this comment. I started from the first of the IDW 2018 volume and have now reached the 11th one
Surge and Kit are the most invested I’ve been in new Sonic characters in a long time, so much that it’s a bit of a shame they’re confined to the comics, but they continue to be handled really well.
Personally she is one of my favourite mobian character. Her personality abilities and design are all fantastic. I really hope writers give her a happy end/happy life instead of constantly making her suffer.
I wonder if she ever learns about the Chaos Emeralds, and how they might be the key to getting her memories back. That could potentially be her next goal, pretend to help the good guys stop Eggman with the Chaos Emeralds, only for her to use it and get a Super form that Sonic would have to beat in base.
Real talk; I REALLY want to play as Surge and Kit in a Sonic game one day, Much like Whisper and Tangle. They would be so fun. Wish SEGA would just rip the band-aid already and work on a new game with the IDW characters in it lol
I like Surge and Kit and their growing partnership. also like that they didn't outright have them just face-turn this arc, since they were introduced with a plan to take out the heroes and work for a crime lord. feels like that would've gone too far and them just coming to like people thinking of them as heroes and just trying to be heroes in destructive or outright villainous ways is a good middle ground for where they should be in the current run
There is a hidden detail in their development, the mistake of Starline he belive who they were but that exactly what make he fail. Because we see glipses of their original personalities from time to time, Surge look to be gullible but kind and joyfull, while Kit a more cold and calculative. This enter in conflic with their programic constantly, making it twist when Surge act like a Villain become more and more unstable while acting like a Hero do the opposite. Kit has a twisted logic on help her, his train of thought ever end in what he wants, meaning was a more egocentric person, what enter in direct conflict with being programed as a support devoted to his partner.
I sincerely think this gonna lead to split the pair, because they are having a opposite development while Surge, start to integrate to other and help people. Kit is having pretty mad villain ideas, like cause trouble and conflict so people need Surge save them.
great video!! surge is so so fascinating, and the reason i started reading the comics (i saw the cover art for the overpowered art). also, your editing is so clean!!
Surge is my favorite IDW Sonic character or even my top ten. She may not be Scourge levels but Surge was the most fun villain we had in Sonic. She is tragic because she was made to fight Sonic. That is it. It's sad because Surge and Kit may have original lives. But we don't know because Starline destroyed what they originally had. Even when Starline perishes, both Surge and Kit are unable to move on from the past. Starline's manipulation made their lives so horrible they think everyone is going to destroy them. So overall Surge is the inverse of Metal Sonic. Metal wants to defeat Sonic to prove he is THE Sonic. While Surge wants to defeat Sonic as her only goal. The perfect tragedy. They were made to defeat Sonic and Tails. To be the perfect clones against them. Even when they got help from Clutch they are still treated horribly. Deep down they do want to be heroes...but they know deep down they'll never be free from Starline's control.
A small part of me wants surge and kit to be redeemed but, I have to accept the possibility that they’re beyond saving. If they do somehow get redeemed. They can be anti heroes that are willing to kill unlike sonic. 👍
i think we're do for surge and kit to fall back on bad habits cuz growing up and changing is hard. now it doesn't need to be guts from berserk levels of angst but still falling down and getting back up is all apart of self betterment and i sonic and tails to be there offering that hand up.
24:31 I kind of love that they have Surge take on Vegeta's classic stance from the Saiyan saga. It seems utterly random at first but then you see more and more that she's following a similar arc and it all makes sense as an out of world nod from the writers to where they plan on taking her.
That one moment in the Impostor Syndrome Issue, where Surge was crushed, she was **gravely wounded** Yet despite that, there were no scars left behind due to Metal Virus Passive regeneration... Even if she tried to, she can't physically become Scourge, she can't eliminate herself in a traditional way, she's can't die easily... ...which is why Sonic assumed Surge died in the fall, **because she probably did** She has a built-in not just a skeleton but maybe a reinforced Endoskeleton. In some ways, she has combat data of Sonic & Shadow from **Metal Overlord,** she, in some ways, is a Metal Sonic Tainted Coil of a gal, if she got infected by the Metal Virus, how much of it would be a metal skeleton after the rest of her organism evaporates with the rest of the living cells? _"[Sonic?] Not in a million years..."_ _-DmC : Devil May Cry_ Sonic & Surge can find a common ground, but not with that attitude by the time of issue #74 34:08 Clutch holds **The Pimp Cane?** The only thing that matches that would be Saint's Row 2
Can you please do a video on Jules and Bernadette hedgehog from the Archie comic series? I'm really interested to find out more about them. (Sonic's parents are an interesting topic and even though I'd really like an explanation specifically about the Archie versions,maybe in the Fun Facts section,you could mentions his other parents in other instances? Or just do it in the main thing,I don't know,I don't control you,so...)
honestly i enjoy these 2 far more as anti-villians then as anti-hero's. there at there most enjoably when they dont wnne be friend with sonic or eggman and do wanne interact with the secondary cast.
Wait, you haven't read the annual? For some reason they decided to show them making a decision about their future before their arc ended. By the way, I'm surprised how many people didn't know the Conductor kids, he mentioned it when he was talking to Sonic when you take his ticket.
29:40 broooo she's evoking the Jet Set Radio guy! 37:34 nah, man, I knew from the start she had justice in her heart (okay, almost- I picked up on the early hints). She chose to wreck Sonic and Eggman both because she realized they were perpetuating a cycle that caused suffering. Even though it was to avenge herself, she spoke from a broader perspective than that, as if that was secondary and she really had many people in mind. She deep down was doing it so what happened to her couldn't happen again.
0:08 that would be because(Probably accidently) Scourge is the worst of sonic made into a character, sonic as a character needs to be flawed because he is a person, how I believe those flaws are can be Narrastic, Petty and Arrogant and his Value of Freedom can definetly seem Like I said sometimes. So Scourge takes those flaws and makes them the worst they can be to show what sonic could be if he let it, they bounce of well because they're technically the same person in different decisions.
TBH her chaarcter kinda reminds me of Fiona Fox just in reverse. Fiona tried to be good then became evil to escape judgement and abuse (which she technically didnt) and was her own person(debetable). Surge on the other hand is first shown to be evil because she belived in Starlines lies, than stayed evi because she only thougt she was good for that and now she is some what of an anti hero. (Cant wait for her to go full villain again)
37:13 THE DEREK IN THE BACKGROUND! I was not expecting him to show up at ALL. (Context: UA-camr, SaltyDKdan had done a play though of the murder of Sonic the hedgehog and the people he played with noticed the design of the player looked close enough to what Derek, aka salty’s persona looked like and that design is the edited one that they gave him in that scene)
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As much as Surge looks like Scourge on surface level, borrowing from the same glitched pallet, they really feel like the Androids from Dragon Ball. Both kidnapped and experimented on with little memory of the past, the eventual killing of there creator, the way where you could see them either turn a new leaf or gleefully massacre a city. All of it is very Lapis and Lazuli, Androids 17 and 18 respectively.
What I want to see, now that sonic x shadow generations is out, is how specifically shadow reacts to Surge, because at that point, he should be able to understand/talk her and kit down more than any of the other characters
I think he'd get through to her via refusing to take her that seriously. He wouldn't suddenly become kind and empathic about it, but rather he'd go for more of a tough love approach. Honest about the similarities in their past, but with the message being "get the hell over yourself, grow up, I did so you can too". But he wouldn't mention the plot of SA2 and then way later she'd find out and it would be extremely embarrassing for him.
7:00 i found a video explain that eggman did the some thing to shadow call eggman and shadow relationship. No hate I just found it very ironic that i wathc that video and find this keep up the great work
feel like Surge and Kit might end up a bit like shadow: not exactly on the chummiest terms with Sonic, but often having goals that align regardless and working together as a result, though maybe with more rivalry between Surge and Sonic than with Shadow (even if Sonic will probably praise her for followign her own path now). And in fact, makes me wonder how Shadow and Surge will interact, as Shadow does know how it is to have been one of sonic's enemies to ending up more on his side even if from a distance.
Ian answered this on his UA-cam channel. He said that Shadow wouldn't care about Surge and would ignore her presence. They'll never interact with each other.
@@blackout1524 I mean, they are bound to meet at some point or anotehr unless surge and kit get killed or something. But yeah seems like Shadow that he wouldnt talk to her unless necessary
I really want Surge and Kit to end up as part of the Dimond cutters after everything's said and done because i love all the new characters and i feel like they would fit together really well, Whisper, Surge, and Kit's trauma make for a really good story that gets people to come back to see what happens next though it does kind of suck that we get a chapter every month or two i feel like the story has a long way to go but it might be years before we get to the best part, i also cant wait for all of the new characters to end up in an official sonic game so we will know what kind of voices they will have.
I would like to note that Surge's journey is actually somewhst similar to the outline Karl Bollers had for Scourge back when he was still Evil Sonic before he gave the reigns of Archie Sonic back to Ken
The Conductor mentioned having kids in his talk with Sonic at the start of MoStH so it was nice to see one of them. Also the idea that their kids might be responsible for the actual redemption of a character is hilarious. "Yeah a minor character from a Sonic spinoff game's off-screen family is responsible for the redemption arc of one of the comic's best characters."
The orgatang is introduced by name to Bell when she joins the Restoration. IIRC His "name" being "Chief Mechanic" lmao (No, he has no real name other than his job title.)
11:20 I didnt realise this, but Surge lowkey has a point. Sonic has some responsibility in this, althoguh not from ill intentions, it still ended badly
@ yeah Scourge is probably never gonna return same with like 99% of the characters from Archie Sonic Comics and I liked some of those characters like Sally, Nicole and Shard at least the fans will keep them going with fan art and fanfics
I never liked Scourge. He was so weak. honestly in the massive multiverse of Sonics he is by far the weakest. He never did it for me were as Surge is a far more interesting and fleshed out character then some evil sonic.
One thing you didn't mention is where the genuine turn for Surge started. When Amy tells them they can leave the Restoration whenever she and Kit wants, Surge asks if she's trying to get rid of her. However, Amy replies that the choice will be hers and that no one will force her her to do anything she doesn't want to do there. Surge actually takes her words to heart.
Possible development
Yep. because its something Surge never had so far: being given an actual choice into how to live her life. And now that she saw that she enjoys being a hero, I think she will form a team like Shadow did, on the good guys side even if not too fond of Sonic himself
@@thorveim1174 Yeah, she probably will still hate that hedgehog with a burning passion
@@RavenGamingOverLordhey sometimes we Hate our coworkers but have to work with them to do our jobs that’s life sometimes
This is reinforced although not immediately, by her deciding to betray the restoration and side with clean sweep inc by becoming a double agent, after she decides she's had enough and wants to quit Clutch threatens her and Kit and she's falls to her knees realizing she's being controlled all over again just like that
Even if she doesn't realize it yet, she's better off just not doing dirty work for anyone because even though she's tough she's not particularly savvy when it comes to picking sides that have her best interest in mind or realizing when she's not in control of a situation anymore
I think Amy's words will resonate with her sooner or later and she'll come to realize that she has nothing to gain by being a crook and it keeps inadvertently leading her to be under someone's boot, it'll probably be tough for her for a while but if Shadow can overcome the darkness within him literally anyone can... Well mostly anyone...
One thing that a lot of people do not know is that “tenrecs” are often called “fake hedgehogs” because they look so similar, so thats another layer for Surge’s identity crisis in context to Sonic.
Holy cow, the elements were always there for Surge to become real 😭
Holy shit, that's clever.
Two things I would like to point out
According to Ian Flynn, Surge and Kit are indeed kidnapped people, they were regular anthropomorphic animals like the others, but they were kidnapped and their inside were replaced with robot parts
The second is a cool detail, in the panels where it shows Surge and Kit having sessions to rewrite their personalities, you can see that it only took Kit 30 sessions to transform him, while Surge took more than 200, showing that she was stronger to fall under those effects
It also maybe explains why Kit is so much more committed to his role given by Starline, while Surge had no problems switching the role given for her, Kit on the other hand still follows everything she says, without ever going against her wills, and since she had no problem changing her goal, he also followed her in that, although that went on the opposite direction to Sonic
(And about Starline boots having electric powers, yeah, that has been shown in Bad Guys, while he took down the guards and the other "Deadly Four" members with toxin, he destroyed the badniks in Eggman's bases using its electric effects)
And a Fun Fact: The purple coat Eggman wears in the Phantom Rider Arc when he meets Sonic, Amy and Tails in a restaurant is one of the clothes he wears in one of Sonic Shuffle's mini-games mini-cutscenes
@ThisisTheUltimate It would an interesting development if Surge & Kit had a side-story with them somehow discovering their past selves before the kidnapping and coming to grips with who they once were and who they are now.
where did he confirm that. never
11:56 I feel like Sonic being so casual isn't because of his usual cocky personality. From his pov, he was literally clothes-lined by another speedster, only for said enemy to explain her entire backstory in tragic detail. He's overwhelmed by the information, unsure if he should be treating Surge as a victim or as an enemy.
I think it's also because he's done this song and dance before. We have no idea how Silver actually ended up first meeting them nowadays because 06 ends by making itself noncanon, but he already did all this drama with Shadow before. And Knuckles. If those two are Vegeta and Piccolo, she's DBS Broly. At this point, he's not even questioning "yeah, I'm gonna make this one a friend/rival" because that's what he does. It's like, "Yeah, every now and then another confused mess of a person shows up and tries to kill me but ends up being best buddy, it must be that time of the year again".
@@PosthumanHeresyActually, we do know where he met Silver again. It was in the game Sonic Rivals on the PlayStation Portable.
Also could be because he’s already met many like Surge before
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She was actually suggesting assassinating Amy here, not sonic.
Starline plan was to remove sonics allies slowly by play. Surge wanted assassination but Starline was against it because he knew sonic would be vengeful and full of motivation to bring justice. If Amy instead died in a “accident” then he’d instead be morose.
Starline is just a nuisance at that point.. he would already get on Sonic never and get a beating beyond the point of him begging for help considering the fact he tried to kill Silver there
Surge is the character I most want to appear in an official game, and be part of the story. (not just a phone game)
Agreed
What phone game?
@@BIGTHANKSHEESH the auto-runner one, Sonic Dash. Surge, Tangle, and Whisper are all in it.
@@FwendlyMushwoom oh
@@FwendlyMushwoom and the sonic forces game (mobile)
A lot of the new characters added in IDW are really solid. Surge and Kit are no different. Their backstory is honestly really tragic. Being brainwashed and experimented on by Dr. Starline to fit his needs. Even when Starline is gone, both (especially Surge) are still haunted by him. With Surge believing at one point that so long as Sonic is still alive, she’ll never be truly free. It’s honestly really sad.
A lot? All of them are great, I cant think of one bad idw character
@@mt32boi45nah fr, they’re all pretty solid, tangle, whisper, surge, kit, starline, they all fit so well into the comic and they’re actually interesting and fun to watch interact with the main cast. Ian Flynn was even able to breath some life into zavoks character
SOLID?!??!
surge is the only good new character
@@reggielacey2235 bugging
Apparently the Orangutan guy isn’t ALLOWED to have a name by Sega unless they are an important character to their name is important to the plot. Apparently he’s just called the Chief Mechanic in the scripts.
*or their name
I am confident that if Surge were to be transferred over into the main games she’d become as popular as Shadow. Hell she is already in the mobile games and is the big fan favorite of the IDW characters so imagine her getting a wider spotlight. Give her a focus in… idk a new Rush game SEGA.
Sega really sitting on a gold mine for all these new characters to be in games/animated shows and they don't even know it 💀
Tbh... I think she might manage to even overshadow (heh) him. For the Robot Chicken female android skit reasons.
Thats pushing it... as popular as shadow? Definitely not. She'd still be popular though
That is if they use her correctly, although this fandom does love their edgelords.
It was somewhere around 2016 during Sonic's worst time when I abandoned this franchise and forgot about the hedgehog as a whole. Then there was Forces which finally worsened Sonic's fall and after Frontiers I started to notice the Sonic franchise a little until on my bad day I saw an unpopular video on TikTok with a Surge frame. I was immediately struck by its design and have never been so quick to go online to read a Sonic comic and literally in a day I read the entire Sonic IDW comic (then the last chapter was the beginning of the arc with Surge and Clutch) and I can confidently say that Surge not only brought me back to my favorite childhood franchise (if anyone is interested, I am 18 myself) but also increased my love for the franchise three times thanks to Surge and Kit, which is why they became my favorite characters in the entire franchise (you can tell from the avatar lol) and I already have a withdrawal desire to see future canonical Sonic games where Surge and Kit will be shown or even participate. I am infinitely grateful to Ian Flynn for adding such deep and well-written suffering twins
and to be honest I'm even thinking about buying a fan version of the plush toy Surge and Kit because the fanaticism is getting out of control
the comics are really amazing. i only became a sonic fan at the start of this year because of sonic prime (watched it like a few days before season 3 released) and IDW was one of the first things i got into, it really helped me fully get into the franchise and it's still probably my favorite sonic thing
I have to stop at the 3 minute mark. I just started reading IDW Sonic a few days ago and this sounds very fascinating. I didn't know who Surge was exactly other than one of Sonic's enemies, but now I'm very excited to reach her part of the story, whenever that'll be. I'll be back once I'm caught up!
You're in for a real treat! She's a wild one for sure.
If Surge and Kit are brought to the good side (well the let’s not murder Sonic side) I would like to see Shadow to be the one to do it. They have some strong parallels of forgotten pasts and being made for a specific purpose.
With all that I think he really could get through to them and his not super big into Sonic always sparring the villain attitude would work great here as Surge really hates it too!
Now that I realize it, Surge has some uncanny parallels to Shadow.
- Created by someone related to Eggman. (Shadow by Gerald Robotnik; Surge by Dr. Starline.)
- Has built-in powers. (Shadow has various Chaos-related powers, like Chaos Snap, Chaos Spear, Chaos Blast, and Chaos Control; Surge has electrical powers.)
- Brainwashed by their creator to destroy people. (Shadow was brainwashed by Gerald Robotnik to destroy humanity; Surge was brainwashed by Dr. Starline to destroy Sonic.)
- Took a heel-face turn after interacting with Amy.
- Was believed to be dead after a long fall. (Shadow "died" after he over-exhausted himself and his Super state wore off; Surge "died" after being defeated by Sonic.)
- Was / Is a rival to Sonic.
@@glacierwolf2155just to clarify, shadow wasn’t brainwashed
@@zackthemask I know, but implanting false memories is close enough to brainwashing in my eyes.
@@glacierwolf2155exactly, that’s why I would love an interaction with those three, now that it seem they can write shadow a little more easily and better
I would love for Surge and Shadow to meet, not remotely get along while being forced to work together, things to go really wrong and Surge ending up trauma dumping, Shadow to be like "oh boo hoo, you think you're special?" and them end up bonding and getting along after Shadow outlines his own past to her including Black Doom and whatnot, with both of them being like "only other person who both can understand how it is" with Shadow making inroads with Surge because he just refuses to humor her angst or pity her at all. Like, him sharing his past isn't "yeah it sucks", it's "get over it, I'm not acting like you and I've been through the same crap, grow up" and it works because she can respect that.
And then later on having a hilarious scene where Surge, Sonic, and Shadow are in the same room and Sonic explicitly outlines what happened with Shadow in SA2 and he's just cringing and trying to make himself small while Surge is laughing her ass off at him because he _did_ act exactly like her. Pure "don't tell her that, you're ruining my cool aura and badass Kamina treatment of her".
As a long-time Archie fan to now reading IDW, *man* do Surge and Kit really bring something to the table that I didn't realize was missing until now:
Characters that *do* want to be heroes, but are willing to get *just as underhanded as the villians* to accomplish that.
Sure, Sonic and his friends have similar moments from time to time, but they tend to favor integrity above all else and save craftiness for last (unless it's Eggman cause "fire with fire").
It's not their *immediate* choice though, nor is it usually to the same degree.
So I'm happy these two are essentially becoming "heroic wildcards" that don't care about "aligning with the good guys," they just want to *do good* the ways *they* know how. Hoping that keeps up because it really sets them apart in a positive way (especially among the IDW exclusive cast).
Kit is such a little baby boo bop. I love him and Surge's relationship arc so much. Lovely video
*The twist is that, Kit is the real pyscho all along* 😅
6:30 I find it interesting how it took far less sessions with Kit to get his desired result compared to how many sessions he'd been doing with surge to instill the personality he wanted.
I think that because if you look at her eyes and body language you can tell that she's completely different personality wise now and was likely a much more kind/caring person before.
I REALLY hope they keep her going on the anti-hero route.... Like, she doesn't even have to like Sonic ever. I just like the idea of her and Kit finally getting to be, and stay as heroes.
I hope so too. I would love for the character development there to end up looping in Shadow. Sonic can't really understand their trauma. Shadow? He can just be like "Yeah, you think that's bad? My controlling evil creator was an alien. Who tried to destroy the planet. And my other dad was Eggman's grandpa. And then my sister was gunned down in front of my eyes." Shadow putting things into perspective via relating Kit to Maria.
I really hope Mimic actually gets his commupance and doesn't worm his way out if this situation, I feel like we've had plenty of time dedicated to his imposter/mole schtick and now that he's feeling backed into a corner I want it to stick and not give him another opportunity to slink away.
Electrocution can result in heart attacks. Perhaps have Surge turning good cemented by her accidentally killing him via too much electricity. Plus, then the decoy octopus dies of a heart attack and it brings the FOXHOUND joke full circle.
I didn't even know TENRECs existed, I had to look them up to find out if they were real animals
Since I saw that Surge is green with a black face I couldn't help but think of Scourge (you're right, Scourge is funny in his own way), it's funny it's like they were making fun of Ken Penders with Surge's design
I hope Surge and Kit discover who they were before the experiments (I like the name KITSUNAMI, that combination of TSUNAMII and KITSUNE is very clever)
let's not go around saying they're trying to make fun of ken penders with the design of another character. scourge's green design was not made at all by ken penders but instead by patrick spaziante, with ian flynn being the one to write the design into the canon.
if anything, both scourge and surge in their designs took inspiration from the same place: "ashura" the hedgehog, a green sonic glitch from sonic the hedgehog 2. scourge's design was a bit more loosely inspired by it while surge more directly references it, down to the black spot in her face.
Possums and opossums are actually two different animals, and you got it right the first time since Clutch is very much an opossum.
Basically from their description, these are basically Sonic and Tails' equivalents to Wario and Waluigi. I'm here for it.
Honestly, Surge & Kit are some of my favorite new additions to the franchise, I hope we can see them in a game someday, especially since their abilities have so much potential to be translated into gameplay
Thank you for this detailed summary and somewhat analysis of Surge and Kit's stories in the comics. I have no time to read them, nor am I interested in that plane of Sonic lore cus it's just too much for me, but standouts like Surge, Scourge and Eclipse (and now Kit!) really intrigue me and your video makes these characters accessible for me to learn and understand the love for then
Thanks so much! It really means a lot!
till recently, the mystery of who Surge and Kit's past lives and original identities were still remains unanswered but the writers deliberately kept it a mystery for now
and with the 2024 annual, Surge and Kit are on their ways to become heroes in their own way but they still carry the mental goal that Starline programmed into them to replace Sonic and Tails, Kit even sees it as another opportunity to be useful towards Surge and use it to his advantage to try and control her as well i just know it won't end well anytime soon
As a 17 year old who read the Sonic IDW when I was about 12 (and picked it back up at 16), Surge was MY FAVE character (including Silver, Tangle, Whisper, Espio, and Mighty. Shadow too. Just not IDW Shadow)!! She's just so badass and cool, dude. Can't wait to see more of her in future IDW comics, now that I'm caught up with all the issues and Annuals & Oneshots.
Come to think of it, Scourge and Surge would get along well! Seriously though, Surge and Kit's backstory is really tragic---Kidnapped and brainwashed by Dr. Starline, and even after his death, she's still haunted by him, and is only not losing it due to holding on to the belief that killing Sonic means being freed from Starline...It's sad. (People will burn me at the stake for this, but Starline is one of my favorite characters too)
Surge is probably the only arrogant, competitive, and cocky badass female character in Sonic, and I honestly am thankful towards Evan Stanley for creating the wonderful character that is Surge 💚
I know IDW isn't perfect but I'm so glad to see someone not dumping on it consistently.
The day when Surge appears in a console game is when I will jump up and down!
I’ve never really been the biggest Sonic fan, only ever really hearing about it tangentially or occasionally reading an issue I stumbled upon, but this makes me want to actually start reading more Sonic.
I usually hate reading in general but when all the hype for SxSG was happening I finally decided to give the comic a shot and was FLABBERGASTED at how good it was. Like goddamn I NEED these stories in a game or animated series 😭
I’ve actually been binge reading Sonic comics after I made this comment. I started from the first of the IDW 2018 volume and have now reached the 11th one
Surge and Kit are the most invested I’ve been in new Sonic characters in a long time, so much that it’s a bit of a shame they’re confined to the comics, but they continue to be handled really well.
Personally she is one of my favourite mobian character. Her personality abilities and design are all fantastic. I really hope writers give her a happy end/happy life instead of constantly making her suffer.
the mother of the girl was the wife of the conductor from "who murdered sonic the hedgehog"
I wonder if she ever learns about the Chaos Emeralds, and how they might be the key to getting her memories back. That could potentially be her next goal, pretend to help the good guys stop Eggman with the Chaos Emeralds, only for her to use it and get a Super form that Sonic would have to beat in base.
if surge ever goes super, and sonic defeats her... Itd be the most embarrassing thing ever, because she would have invulnerability lmao
Amazing video, i enjoyed it all and is a great retrospec on the character. Im mega excited for you to cover more
Real talk; I REALLY want to play as Surge and Kit in a Sonic game one day, Much like Whisper and Tangle. They would be so fun. Wish SEGA would just rip the band-aid already and work on a new game with the IDW characters in it lol
I like Surge and Kit and their growing partnership. also like that they didn't outright have them just face-turn this arc, since they were introduced with a plan to take out the heroes and work for a crime lord. feels like that would've gone too far and them just coming to like people thinking of them as heroes and just trying to be heroes in destructive or outright villainous ways is a good middle ground for where they should be in the current run
14:56 isn't that Eggman's gun from SA2?
Good eye! It is!
I was just about to type this, and here it is as the top comment already! Lol
There is a hidden detail in their development, the mistake of Starline he belive who they were but that exactly what make he fail.
Because we see glipses of their original personalities from time to time, Surge look to be gullible but kind and joyfull, while Kit a more cold and calculative.
This enter in conflic with their programic constantly, making it twist when Surge act like a Villain become more and more unstable while acting like a Hero do the opposite.
Kit has a twisted logic on help her, his train of thought ever end in what he wants, meaning was a more egocentric person, what enter in direct conflict with being programed as a support devoted to his partner.
The Androids 17 and 18 of Sonic
24:31 vageta stance lol nice
Scourge is honestly my favorite character in the series. Her personality and overall character is a huge refresh to the series!
Scourge isn't surgw
@@reggielacey2235Surgw Isnt Surge lmao
24:31 bro I like how Surge is straight up doing the Vegeta pose
Surge Enjoyer ✅️
Gravity Rush Music 37:20 ✅️
Fantastic taste!
I sincerely think this gonna lead to split the pair, because they are having a opposite development while Surge, start to integrate to other and help people.
Kit is having pretty mad villain ideas, like cause trouble and conflict so people need Surge save them.
That would be actually something really interesting to see!
great video!! surge is so so fascinating, and the reason i started reading the comics (i saw the cover art for the overpowered art). also, your editing is so clean!!
There needs to be a Surge beat-em-up game with heavy electric guitar music.
Surge is my favorite IDW Sonic character or even my top ten. She may not be Scourge levels but Surge was the most fun villain we had in Sonic. She is tragic because she was made to fight Sonic. That is it. It's sad because Surge and Kit may have original lives. But we don't know because Starline destroyed what they originally had.
Even when Starline perishes, both Surge and Kit are unable to move on from the past. Starline's manipulation made their lives so horrible they think everyone is going to destroy them. So overall Surge is the inverse of Metal Sonic. Metal wants to defeat Sonic to prove he is THE Sonic. While Surge wants to defeat Sonic as her only goal.
The perfect tragedy. They were made to defeat Sonic and Tails. To be the perfect clones against them. Even when they got help from Clutch they are still treated horribly. Deep down they do want to be heroes...but they know deep down they'll never be free from Starline's control.
True
A small part of me wants surge and kit to be redeemed but, I have to accept the possibility that they’re beyond saving. If they do somehow get redeemed. They can be anti heroes that are willing to kill unlike sonic. 👍
The first O in Opossom is silent since the Australian Possoms are named after the American Opossums.
i think we're do for surge and kit to fall back on bad habits cuz growing up and changing is hard. now it doesn't need to be guts from berserk levels of angst but still falling down and getting back up is all apart of self betterment and i sonic and tails to be there offering that hand up.
I hope she meets shadow soon, maybe he can help her become the hero she wants to be
I really like surge and kit they are really awesome characters and tons of fun.
Surge is my second favorite Sonic character only beaten by Shadow, I hope they get an arch together in the future
Kit is an absolute murder goblin, on the same level as nine honestly
24:31 I kind of love that they have Surge take on Vegeta's classic stance from the Saiyan saga. It seems utterly random at first but then you see more and more that she's following a similar arc and it all makes sense as an out of world nod from the writers to where they plan on taking her.
I have never read a single IDW comic
Surge is my favourite sonic character
She is simply that cool.
That one moment in the Impostor Syndrome Issue, where Surge was crushed, she was **gravely wounded**
Yet despite that, there were no scars left behind due to Metal Virus Passive regeneration...
Even if she tried to, she can't physically become Scourge, she can't eliminate herself in a traditional way, she's can't die easily...
...which is why Sonic assumed Surge died in the fall, **because she probably did**
She has a built-in not just a skeleton but maybe a reinforced Endoskeleton.
In some ways, she has combat data of Sonic & Shadow from **Metal Overlord,** she, in some ways, is a Metal Sonic
Tainted Coil of a gal, if she got infected by the Metal Virus, how much of it would be a metal skeleton after the rest of her organism evaporates with the rest of the living cells?
_"[Sonic?] Not in a million years..."_
_-DmC : Devil May Cry_
Sonic & Surge can find a common ground, but not with that attitude by the time of issue #74
34:08 Clutch holds **The Pimp Cane?**
The only thing that matches that would be Saint's Row 2
Can you please do a video on Jules and Bernadette hedgehog from the Archie comic series? I'm really interested to find out more about them. (Sonic's parents are an interesting topic and even though I'd really like an explanation specifically about the Archie versions,maybe in the Fun Facts section,you could mentions his other parents in other instances? Or just do it in the main thing,I don't know,I don't control you,so...)
Surge and Kitsunami my beloved 💚💛🩵💙
I mean, Kit doesn't need the backpack to control water. He needs it to have water to control.
honestly i enjoy these 2 far more as anti-villians then as anti-hero's. there at there most enjoably when they dont wnne be friend with sonic or eggman and do wanne interact with the secondary cast.
Bro put me on, I love this fictional rodent now
You: "The train conductor has a kid!"
Me: "SHADOW EATS RAW COFFEE BEANS CONFIRMED!"
30:02 I love how pissed off Amy looks. It's funny and terrifying as it looks like she is considering teeing-off Eggman's head.
Angry Amy finally shows up again. I like it.
Wait, you haven't read the annual? For some reason they decided to show them making a decision about their future before their arc ended.
By the way, I'm surprised how many people didn't know the Conductor kids, he mentioned it when he was talking to Sonic when you take his ticket.
29:40 broooo she's evoking the Jet Set Radio guy!
37:34 nah, man, I knew from the start she had justice in her heart (okay, almost- I picked up on the early hints). She chose to wreck Sonic and Eggman both because she realized they were perpetuating a cycle that caused suffering. Even though it was to avenge herself, she spoke from a broader perspective than that, as if that was secondary and she really had many people in mind. She deep down was doing it so what happened to her couldn't happen again.
I feel the need to clarify that Mimic is actually a Mimic Octopus, not a Squid.
Not really that important, but I'm a huge fan of squids.
Yeah, all of Diamond Cutters is a FOXHOUND (Metal Gear Solid) joke. He's Decoy Octopus.
0:08 that would be because(Probably accidently) Scourge is the worst of sonic made into a character, sonic as a character needs to be flawed because he is a person, how I believe those flaws are can be Narrastic, Petty and Arrogant and his Value of Freedom can definetly seem Like I said sometimes.
So Scourge takes those flaws and makes them the worst they can be to show what sonic could be if he let it, they bounce of well because they're technically the same person in different decisions.
TBH her chaarcter kinda reminds me of Fiona Fox just in reverse. Fiona tried to be good then became evil to escape judgement and abuse (which she technically didnt) and was her own person(debetable). Surge on the other hand is first shown to be evil because she belived in Starlines lies, than stayed evi because she only thougt she was good for that and now she is some what of an anti hero. (Cant wait for her to go full villain again)
28:32 There was Gold the Tenrec from Archie
Good video!
37:13 THE DEREK IN THE BACKGROUND! I was not expecting him to show up at ALL.
(Context: UA-camr, SaltyDKdan had done a play though of the murder of Sonic the hedgehog and the people he played with noticed the design of the player looked close enough to what Derek, aka salty’s persona looked like and that design is the edited one that they gave him in that scene)
There a lots of Archie/IDW characters that deserve to be in the games
I really feel bad for Surge and Kit. They never asked for any of this.
I love the bond between surge and kit
Surge is also my fav idw character!!!
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I LOVE SURGE SO MUCH!!
I knew surge was awesome but I’d dint know all of her story!! This video MADE ME LOVE SURGE!!
As much as Surge looks like Scourge on surface level, borrowing from the same glitched pallet, they really feel like the Androids from Dragon Ball. Both kidnapped and experimented on with little memory of the past, the eventual killing of there creator, the way where you could see them either turn a new leaf or gleefully massacre a city. All of it is very Lapis and Lazuli, Androids 17 and 18 respectively.
I absolutely love Surge and Kit! They are my favorite characters to date bro!
What I want to see, now that sonic x shadow generations is out, is how specifically shadow reacts to Surge, because at that point, he should be able to understand/talk her and kit down more than any of the other characters
I think he'd get through to her via refusing to take her that seriously. He wouldn't suddenly become kind and empathic about it, but rather he'd go for more of a tough love approach. Honest about the similarities in their past, but with the message being "get the hell over yourself, grow up, I did so you can too". But he wouldn't mention the plot of SA2 and then way later she'd find out and it would be extremely embarrassing for him.
I recently started reading battle for the Empire and it is peak.
THANK U FOR COVERING SURGE SHE IS MY FAVORITEST CHARACTER OF ALL TIME RAHHH I LOVE THE GREEN SKRUNKLE 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
7:00 i found a video explain that eggman did the some thing to shadow call eggman and shadow relationship. No hate I just found it very ironic that i wathc that video and find this keep up the great work
Didn't Eggman try to do that with Khan, I think even the brain washing was completed, but simply stores him because he got bored?
feel like Surge and Kit might end up a bit like shadow: not exactly on the chummiest terms with Sonic, but often having goals that align regardless and working together as a result, though maybe with more rivalry between Surge and Sonic than with Shadow (even if Sonic will probably praise her for followign her own path now).
And in fact, makes me wonder how Shadow and Surge will interact, as Shadow does know how it is to have been one of sonic's enemies to ending up more on his side even if from a distance.
Ian answered this on his UA-cam channel. He said that Shadow wouldn't care about Surge and would ignore her presence. They'll never interact with each other.
@@blackout1524 I mean, they are bound to meet at some point or anotehr unless surge and kit get killed or something. But yeah seems like Shadow that he wouldnt talk to her unless necessary
@thorveim1174 shadow barely gets any screen time. So the chances of them meeting is close to zero.
The story telling is phenomenal
In the IDW Sonic run, all my favorite characters are the ones the IDW introduced.
I really want Surge and Kit to end up as part of the Dimond cutters after everything's said and done because i love all the new characters and i feel like they would fit together really well, Whisper, Surge, and Kit's trauma make for a really good story that gets people to come back to see what happens next though it does kind of suck that we get a chapter every month or two i feel like the story has a long way to go but it might be years before we get to the best part, i also cant wait for all of the new characters to end up in an official sonic game so we will know what kind of voices they will have.
Guys I didn't finish the video but I have a felling that Clutch is Surge's relative
Hopefully you ended up finishing it lol
I would like to note that Surge's journey is actually somewhst similar to the outline Karl Bollers had for Scourge back when he was still Evil Sonic before he gave the reigns of Archie Sonic back to Ken
The Conductor mentioned having kids in his talk with Sonic at the start of MoStH so it was nice to see one of them. Also the idea that their kids might be responsible for the actual redemption of a character is hilarious.
"Yeah a minor character from a Sonic spinoff game's off-screen family is responsible for the redemption arc of one of the comic's best characters."
If IDW and Archie make a crossover, we NEED to have Surge fight against Scourge
Surge and Kit straight up remind me of Megamind and Minion 💀
Have you considered talking about adam, mammoth mogu l, eclipse iron queen, and dmitri
30:07 Eggman petty as heck, but Cubot. Whaddya doing?
7:19 is surge doing the family guy death pose?
Surge & Kit needs a fangame.
The orgatang is introduced by name to Bell when she joins the Restoration. IIRC His "name" being "Chief Mechanic" lmao (No, he has no real name other than his job title.)
11:20 I didnt realise this, but Surge lowkey has a point. Sonic has some responsibility in this, althoguh not from ill intentions, it still ended badly
25:49 i see what ya did there
Sonic became a kamen rider 🦗🏍
I like Surge but I like Scourge better
Edit I still find Surge enjoyable but I would’ve liked to see Scourge return
Never gonna happen
@ yeah Scourge is probably never gonna return same with like 99% of the characters from Archie Sonic Comics and I liked some of those characters like Sally, Nicole and Shard at least the fans will keep them going with fan art and fanfics
Thanks to Ken Penders
I never liked Scourge. He was so weak. honestly in the massive multiverse of Sonics he is by far the weakest. He never did it for me were as Surge is a far more interesting and fleshed out character then some evil sonic.