Josh Pate On SEC Balance Of Power Shifting (Late Kick Cut)
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- SEC Football is less than 2 months from returning, and on Late Kick Live Ep 527 Josh Pate discussed the balance of power potentially shifting. Could Texas and Oklahoma change the conversation? What would it feel like if Texas A&M also rose to national prominence? Will the league continue to be dominated by UGA and Alabama or could Florida, LSU, Tennessee, and others step up? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Split the difference. Center of the conference is now Mississippi.
Poor Mississippi, can't even be good at football
@@acelm8437 most hall of famers per capita of any state by a lot; try again
@@1337slic3 I guess I was just referring to Ole Miss and Mississippi State not being historic blue bloods like LSU, Alabama, or Georgia
@@1337slic3 Facts
I think Ou and Texas are in a good spot coming into the SEC for this to become a reality, they are recruiting very well and last season wasnt too bad for either team, Oklahoma showed massive strides compared to year one under BV, Sark looks to have Texas finally actually back.. All we need is A&M to step it up.
With college football becoming semi-pro. Texas and Oklahoma have deep pockets to buy champions teams.
I’m just curious what the Big Ten would look like if they get FSU and Notre Dame, and possibly Clemson, and North Carolina? I can’t wait!
What if you did a literal East/West where the AL/Miss border was the split. So you have SCAR, Clemson, FSU, UGA, the real UT, UF, AUB, AL all in one East division, and then Miss/MISST, LSU, ARK, Mizz, OK, A&M, TEX in the west?
idk where Vandy goes but either AL or Vandy has to go West to make it 8-8! Then we are right back to where we were 5 years ago but with 4 new teams lmao
OU is already at the front of the line. Several SEC school need to start contributing.
Josh we HAVE to get a movie review from you for twisters!
@@txsportsfreak02 would love this I could listen to Josh talk about just about anything
Nothing really changes by adding two teams that will perpetually be at the bottom.
One of the best and most accurate geography lessons you ever get.
North Florida is the south, dont be confused.
Yep. North Florida has many banjo players
LSU, Texas, Texas A&M and OU could absolutely shift the balance of power to the west.
nah
@@gpink5098 utterly delusional Texas fans, too many Californians at Texas.
This is why women should stay out of football conversations. 😂
Traditionally? Georgia was disappointing every year until about 5 years ago. If that tradition then we needa redefine the word
Since 2000, only 5 teams have had more wins than UGA. You, sir, are just what they call Big Mad
@@tuckthefide74?
@@tuckthefide74ain’t shyt in the east and is nothing to brag about. It was strongest with Meyer, spurrier, fulmer richt. The west was freeze, Petrino, les miles,saban even Texas a&m was legit. Every game was a rivalry game. Georgia and Kirby just hit at the perfect time. Saban got war wounds while Kirby got scratches. So please stop 🛑
@nickelz256 Dammit boy, rotary phones used to be a thing too.
@@nickelz256 Tell everyone how many titles Saban had with Kirby and how many without Kirby.
Current recruiting says, the power remains firmly planted where it has been.
LSU, A&M, Texas and Oklahoma vs Bama/Auburn, Florida, Georgia and Tennessee
North of UF and south of GA is pretty southern
Florida man!!!!!
Ole Miss culture is also different, watch out folks! Hotty Toddy!
Wonder how the recruits compare from Florida, Georgia and Alabama vs Louisiana, Texas and Oklahoma.
Just going off rough memory of major recruits over the past 15 years or so, I'd say those two regions are pretty closely balanced. The numbers are more evenly distributed in the eastern trio you listed, but the sheer numbers from Texas helps to balance out the smaller numbers from Okla. (which has smaller volume simply due to much lower population), while Louisiana tends to punch above its weight when it comes to top recruits per capita.
@@RD-jc2euThey’re not even close to balance. wtf are you talking about?
Can't speak to ok high school talent but LA and texass are right up there with fl, ga and al. LA puts out more NFL talent per capita than the FIVE other states you mentioned. That's what got saban to LSU in the 1st place. Plus LSU puts more 3* talent into the NFL than anyone else in the country.
@@chriswilliams6896 Wow! That was a supremely well-argued rebuttal. I tip my hat to you, sir! I take back everything I said in deference to your superior knowledge and wit. /s
@@user-xp6qd4sk1j do you know what per capita means?
Love how everyone is sleeping on A&M this year!
As a Georgia fan i never ever want to see Florida good again i want to see them at this win total every year but man did the SEC and SEC East have a different feel when Georgia and Florida were both good and competing for titles circa 2006 to 2012 obviously Florida got those titles and Georgia never got over that hump but came close
I don’t feel we add much to the conversation but what about South Carolina? We had a nice 3 year run as well as 2013 (outside of your model)
Georgia should drop Athens Clarke county from the weekly scrimmage.
Nice
@@xdgaming70 tbh the SEC East was just strong period during that time and really since the Missouri runs of winning the East it was just down hill strength wise overall. Georgia and TN have gotten their act together. seemingly Missouri is back. but all others than SC in the latter half of 2022 and Kentucky hitting the Kentucky ceiling have dropped the ball.
UGA was never competing for titles at that time. 😂😂😂 UGA is on a 4-5 year heater right now and prior to that, they were choke artists the previous 20-30 years.
Texas A&M doesn't wanna remain in the same league as Texas. They are seriously considering the Big 10 at this point.
Highly doubt that
Bama isn’t going anywhere
I can agree with the comments about Florida we are our own country 😎🐊
a Florida man would say
Texas is 12-14 since 1970 against the SEC.
Oklahoma is 13-7 since 1970 against the SEC.
Texas is 0-0 in the CFP against them
Oklahoma is 0-3 in the CFP against them
You go ahead and do your assessment based on that alone.
If the refs had called the safety against Alabama in 2022 Texas might be 13-13. And if Colt hadn't been injured in the first series in the NC, 14-12.
"Texas is 0-0 in the CFP against them."
True. But Texas did beat Bama the season both went to the CFP.
Two teams in the SEC have a winning record against Texas: Vanderbilt and South Carolina.
@@vidpie
“if Colt McCoy hadn’t gotten hurt”
“if the refs had called the safety against Alabama”
“there it is! annndddd drink”
you need to understand the refs in the SEC are opposed to everyone.
Texas has a losing record vs South Carolina and vandy
@@batmangummies5393 I noted that: (only) "Two teams in the SEC have a winning record against Texas: Vanderbilt and South Carolina."
Ooh, nice cherry picking!
How's this: The _only_ two games Alabama has ever beaten Texas is when Bama took out the Texas QB in the first quarter. Alabama lost the other 6 games, including by 10 points in their last meet up.
Here's another: Oklahoma has a winning record vs Alabama. Their smallest win margin was 7 points, the others were double digits.
Any team achieving a 10 win season in the SEC is going to be an impressive feat as strong as these teams are across the various divisions and their schedules.
There are no divisions anymore
and that is why the SEC plays 8 conference games!!
@@greenwave819 they have played four non-conference games, mostly against powder-puffs, because that is four easy wins; only need two conference wins to make a bowl game, and all the money that comes with it for the conference.
No Man's Land Beef Jerky??? Boise City OK?
Never even watched the red River shoot out. That's how little i care about it. It has never been a game that decided anything of importance outside of big 12 in 20 years, and in that 20 years the big 12 has been irrelevant.
Texas and Oklahoma welcome to the Mighty SEC....And can someone answer my question ❓ Ive asked Josh Pate 3 different accations apparently he doesn't know either!!!! The question is why does GA have to go to Tuscaloosa again in the regular season ? Last two times they've played in the regular season Ga travels to Tuscaloosa.....My personal opinion is Bama and the scheduling committee are lovers and scared of Athens GA
Look at this like this: you can't travel on I 20 without being in sec country now.
Of course Florida had a say so in what happens in the Sec...All of those winnjing programs come to Florida to get those top notch recruits lol
I agree Josh that the SEC is harmed when one of their premier brands is not performing as expected for that long. As a Gator, you can put in on a coach for a few years. But 4 coaches and it only seems to be getting worse. It’s time for accountability for the mismanagement of the athletic department. It’s time move move on from the overly pedestrian Scott Stricklin. His time here has been defined by sub mediocre play and on the field as scandal behind the scenes. We have to change the complacent culture that Stricklin has instilled.
Better hope power doesn’t shift. Tejas has destroyed two conferences and are bound to try again.
If Florida isn’t considered the south we have failed as a society on geography
3:36 BOOMER!
I didn't care for this take, because it completely ignores the reality that the entire conference is centered around Atlanta and Birmingham, so no, the balance of power wouldn't shift to Texas (Dallas, Houston, etc.), because it's physically impossible for that to occur. When Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee are all within a few hours of Atlanta, there's absolutely no chance for any other 'pole' to exist (even more so if, as predicted, Florida State and Clemson join the conference). Yes, there are separate cultures and regions, but Atlanta is the SEC, and this setup is exactly why the SEC is the SEC.
The balance of power has always been the west. Bama, LSU and Auburn won NC’s
Is it possible? Yes. Is it probable? No
Texas joined the SEC so they can continue losing to SEC teams Texas has never even wun a CFP game.
Roll tide!
Bama can't beat Texas unless they take out the qb 1st quarter.
Tx is what, 8-2 against Bama?
Why does GA have to play Bama at Bama again ...the last two times they've played in the regular season ....I believe the schedule committee is so far up Bama's ass it's ridiculous ...that's alright GA will thump them
Georgia did not play at bama last year….
@@Alexp9508 Wrong you better check the schedule the last two times they've played in the regular season it's at Bama
Tremendous amount of nervous insecurity showing through in the comments.
Seriously???
The moment the SEC let Texas into the conference the dynamic changed.
Texas INSTANTLY became the richest university. Period.
With more money to buy athletes than any two of the also-rans...
JOSH CAN WE PLEASE GET A VIDEO UPDATING THE BEST RIVALRIES IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL SICK AND TIRED OF THIS RED RIVER RIVALRY GARBAGE
yeah you're not going to like his answer though he's already went over this he said it was the biggest & best environment he's ever be seen in a college football game and it's the best rivalry you should go back and check it out! you didn't see that coming did you! oh man you're not going to like it there's more people sitting outside watching the Oklahoma versus Texas then the other top four schools combined have in attendance there's over half a million people sitting outside watching the game right outside of the game come on now you can't compete with that
You’re going to have Georgia beat Texas by 30 😂😂 keep talking
Georgia is 1-4 against Texas and they won by 1 point. Their last meetup had Kirby Smart vs a lame Tom Herman and GA lost by a TD (and only b/c the Uglyhorns stopped playing in the 4th quarter). 🤷♂
I will likely root for Georgia, but be careful with your cockiness. The Uglyhorns went to the playoffs last year, whereas GA didn't.
@@grondhero That's what happens when you play in a 2 team conference. Who won B2B national titles in the 2020's?
@@grondhero you’re talking about a meaningless bowl game bruh come better than that Texas lost to Oklahoma and Washington the only good teams they played last year they played Alabama before bama changed their offense from the Bryce young offense to a running qb offense did you not see the Texas spring game their defense is terrible the only reason it’ll be close is because Georgia has to travel to Texas
Texas arragance & hype follows them in SEC. Glad they are out of Big 12, let them try to bully SEC, they only had 2 championships in 20 yrs. in Big 12.
Texas and Oklahoma are already calling themselves the best SEC rivalry!!! The arrogance to say that and they haven't played 1 game in the SEC yet! RMFT 🐘🐘💯🇺🇸
As a Longhorn fan, I would have to say that the LSU/Alabama game (1895) is probably the best in the SEC, at least for the longevity of hatred between the two.
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Nobody in the sec right now cares about texas and Oklahoma playing except them no way will they be watched like georgia vs alabama best game this year
As an Oklahoma fan who has kept my mouth shut about being great in the SEC unlike Texas, I'm going to have to step aside and say it absolutely is the best rivalry game in the SEC now. We're talking about two actual top five blue bloods who are usually both ranked, fans split right down the middle on the 50-yard line in the middle of a CRAZY atmosphere and then you have the "Iron Bowl" which is Oklahoma's version of " Bedlam" with Oklahoma State. We can barely call it a rivalry because it's so lopsided and both teams are very rarely ranked. The arrogance of the SEC to think you even hold a candle to the Red River Shootout is laughable.
Josh himself will tell you it's a better rivalry. He's one of the National talking heads that has defended this rivalry the most going into the SEC.
@@user-hl7gr7ug5iSo two of the biggest Blue bloods in college football are moving into the SEC and you don't think the entire country isn't going to be curious when they face teams like Alabama and Georgia and LSU? I get it, It's a great conference but if y'all think that the Red River shootout isn't going to be the premiere rivalry in that conference you guys are delusional. You guys tout the iron bowl and all it is is a glorified bedlam where Oklahoma plays Oklahoma State and it's so lopsided and both and it's so lopsided And you rarely have both teams that are ranked. Everybody is going to want to watch how Oklahoma and Texas does I know for a fact there's going to be a shit ton of people that want to see Texas lose. You ain't got Saban and to the hottest brands in college football just moved in with a crap ton of talent.
I'll gladly see us play Texas OR Oklahoma, rather then Alabama OR Georgia.🦆
I want to see a Kirby and Lanning rematch.
2-4 against Texas
1-7 against Oklahoma
Sure……
@@snuffedtorch3683 O.K. maybe we'll see you in the playoff if Georgia, and Alabama, AND Ole Miss all keel over and die. ☺
@@snuffedtorch3683 How many of those games were this century?
I love how mfs keep sleeping on LSU
Oklahoma is about to be a mid tier program in the SEC
wow this guy doesn't know anything does he tell us you're not a college football fan really without telling us you're not a college football fan
Texas A&M is currently not one of those powers. Until last year, Texas was mediocre at best despite the every year hype.
Thanks Dr. Football. Tell us more!
If your Rivalry hasn’t determined who goes to the national championship like the Iron Bowl, Florida vs Georgia, or Alabama vs LSU then it’s not the best rivalry game in the conference. The Red River Rivalry will be like the Egg Bowl, a great Spectacle, but it doesn’t make or break champions or determine who goes to the SEC championship game let alone the national championship.
Shows how little you know!
@@Mark-zx2bq tell me when was the last time the Red River Rivalry determined who was going to the national championship?
@@chriswilliams6896 considering the playoff started in 2014, and that determines who plays in the national championship, I would have to say four years prior (a more recent time than anyone vs Florida). Any other comical questions?
@@chriswilliams6896 hard to say, the Red River Shootout usually determined who would win the big12 South, unlike the other 2 rivalries.... The Red River is usually played by the 5th or 6th game of the season, instead of an actually end of season finale. So, yea it's hard to say if the Red River will lead to a Conference or playoff spot since it's played so early in the season.
@@Mark-zx2bq Since the Playoffs started how many SEC appearances have been made? How many SEC teams have won the National Championship? The winner of major SEC rivalry games have determined who was going to the national championship, because more often than not that team was the best team in the country. It doesn’t matter if there were play off games or not. The reason why we’re getting an expanded playoff is because of that exact reason. Texas and Oklahoma’s rivalry game may have been important when they were in the Big12, but it isn’t anymore. Compared to teams like Georgia, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, and Auburn it’s just another Egg Bowl.
Florida is the south smh
Very well explained
Lmao there was never a balance. Keep shilling
Florida was a natty contender in 2020. They just had to play Bama before ND and OSU did.
Incorrect, they were left out of the playoff because they lost to A&M
@@jamesdo3086 that contributed also for sure. But if they didn’t play Bama they would be in and played Bama a lot closer than ND or OSU did. You could also tell by Saban reaction after the game he was more nervous about that game than ND and OSU. It was fairly close and he was just happy to get the win. Kyle pitts, kadrius Tony, and Trevon Grimes are tough to beat in college. And A&M is the first time they had to play in front of a crowd that season. And still, being 5th in the country and playing Bama tough who went on to easily win the natty, I don’t see how you don’t consider them a “contender”
Tennessee held Bama scoreless for two and a half quarters in 2008. We missed four game winning field goals to close it out against the eventual champ. Still waiting on that second place trophy to come in the mail.
@@calnoble4651because they weren’t.
@@jamesdo3086 INCORRECT they were out of it when they LOST to LSU. a7m was their 1st lost. If they go on to winout and win the SEC they still in playoff picture with ONE lost. That SECOND loss is what killed their playoff dreams.
FL is trash lol.. the center of power is Knoxville!!!
We beat y’all last year 😂😂😂Go Gators 🐊
Not possible
BAMA will always be #1
what do you mean not possible you have a losing record against both of those teams coming in
I think OU is in for a rude awakening.
I think it's the other way around they have the number one ranked back 7 in football on defense that's not me that's coming from Phil steel in many other sports analysis Oklahoma has the best back 7 in the SEC and possibly the best quarterback considering he was a five-star All-American Gatorade high school player of the year multiple weapons on the offensive side of the ball the best offensive line coach and the best defensive coach with DeMarco Murray as a running backs Coach Joe Jon Finley as a offensive coordinator/ Seth the ranked number 12 and they just put together a top five recruiting class and they are head of every team in sec and ride on par with Georgia and Alabama in recruiting right now as we speak so is Texas I think you're going to be in for the rude awakening my friend the only team I would be worried about playing would be Georgia they can still have their coach Alabama's not going to just continue considering all of the prospect they lost from last year and after saben left Missouri and A&m or a joke we've been beating them up since the beginning of time including Arkansas we beat the living snot out of Tennessee I don't know how many times now there's not really a single team who has a winning record versus Oklahoma other than LSU by one game I mean go look at the record versus the SEC conference it's pretty daunting but you continue to believe that wait until reality slaps you in the face
@@koemando8355 Lay off the Kool-aid, Bubba.
As an Oklahoma fan I've been laughing at Texas fans being so arrogant going into the SEC and saying all of the crazy things they've been saying....... However, SEC fans do not seem to fully understand who's coming into this conference. This isn't another mid-tier program. These are 2 top five Blue bloods and yes, they now have the best rivalry in the conference hands down. The Iron bowl is comparable to Oklahoma's rivalry with Oklahoma State (Bedlam) where it's so lopsided and both teams are very rarely ranked. The Red River shootout on the other hand is one of the games of the year every single year where two huge blue blood programs battling it out in an insane environment where it's split right down the middle, there's simply nothing else like it. And then you have a game where Alabama and Auburn play each other at home and home when Auburn is rarely anything of importance. 🤷
As an Oklahoma fan I fully understand the tradition rich programs of the SEC and am extremely excited but y'all need to understand who Oklahoma and Texas is as well.
Oklahoma State is more or less Georgia Tech. One NY6 win in the last ten years and obviously overshadowed by their instate rival. Auburn has had more national title game appearances and wins in the last 15 years than Texas and Oklahoma combined. Not really a fair comparison.
You understand the tradition rich programs of the SEC the same way we understand Texas and OU - from a far. Texas and OU join 7 other programs that are capable of EVERYTHING they are. They are not special in this conference. Now, they are just one of the boys. And, OU Texas is just another rivalry. It is not special either. It matters to 2 fan bases - just like all rivalries. By the way, check Texas recent history. Until last year, they went like 15 years in the 8-5 or worse range. So, ,if that was 2 blue bloods - so is UGA Florida or Auburn Bama or Bama LSU or UGA Tennessee or Florida Tennessee.
What you just said was without a doubt the dumbest thing I’ve read online in a long time, and that’s saying something. You do realize the Iron Bowl has on more than one occasion determined who was going to the National Championship right? Of course not, because if you knew anything about SEC football you’d know that Alabama and Auburn are almost always ranked coming into that game. Auburn in 2013 went to the national championship after upsetting Alabama. LSU and Georgia went to the national championship because Auburn upset Alabama. UCF claimed they were national champions, because they beat Auburn after the year Auburn beat both Alabama and Georgia, and still didn’t make the playoffs. The Florida Georgia game used to determine who was going to the National Championship as well. The Red River Rivalry has never had the level of impact that those game have not just in the conference, but on the sport as a whole.
@@philipmaretteThis guy has no idea what he’s talking about, and this is just more proof that they’re in for a rude awakening.
@@chriswilliams6896 what's dumb is thinking anyone outside Alabama cares about the iron bowl. That's the thing about rivalries. outside of the two teams playing no one cares. I haven't watched an iron bowl since cam newton played at auburn. Just don't care.
Texas will be in the top 3 year after year. I don't see Oklahoma doing it year after year... A&M has already answered that question... it's a NO. Not year after year...
If history is an indicator, you got it backwards. Oklahoma is WAY, WAY more consistent than Texas.
I don’t think TX will do it once they start playing the same schedule as OU got delt this first season.
Thats not OU love by any means, its outside observation on the consistency week to week both teams played in the Big10.
TX got lucky this year on their SEC scheduling, OU not so much.
I’d say if TN had TX schedule this season they’d be a playoff pencil in as well, going 10-2 at worst.
TX does have a great team don’t get me wrong, with great potential. The question is though, can they stay competitive when they must bring their A game every week and stay consistent?
I’m a firm believer TX got entirely to much credit for their win over a horrible Alabama team early in the season and it would have been an entirely different story if the game was played in the second half of the season, Bama was really really bad the start of last season.
That's a bold prediction. There's to many variables and "things" that come up. Texas has potential but there's a rich history in Austin of players having trouble with the law and attending classes etc etc etc. Perhaps they've addressed the character issues but they tend to fold when the lose the Red River Shootout. Regardless I'm just looking forward to great games instead of padded cupcake schedules of the past. SEC is a Demolition Derby Conference and even more so now with the addition of Texas and OU.
Texas will be what year after year?
Overated and disappoint you mean of course. History proves this while what you are saying is pure bs
Where that top 3 year after year texass been the last 25 plus years?
I have a feeling Alabama is gonna stomp everyone this year
delusional
Right there with you. Anyone who has payed attention to their recruiting and tranfers coming in this year would see it. They are locked and loaded and I think college football is about to have an "oh sh!t" moment when they realize that saban left and they are even better than The past 2 or 3 years. Everyone though KD would not be able to recruit in the south and he's absolutely owned Everyone in the sec in recruiting and is currently 2nd with a real shot at 1st before it's finished. I've watched them closely all year and they got something special going on in T-Town right now. And I mean more special than the usual bama special. I bookmark some of these comments so I can remember to come back in the season to remind them of what they said. Lol it's petty but necessary
@@caseydangar4414 please bookmark it and come back to see it when Bama I'd 9-3 and misses the playoffs
@@dare2554😂😂😂😂.....You'll disappear on September 28th after Bama hangs 40+ and beats Jawjuh
It's almost as if you're unaware they have a new coach and staff.
Texas is overrated tired of the talk already go LSU tigers