I think that an unmade episode from series 1 of the revival would have made a good connection to Tecteun and what we learnt during Chibnall's era. / thewholook
My issue with Tecteaun is she comes out of nowhere really and we're just told "She's important. Care." Imagine if it turns out Tecteaun was watching the doctor's adventures all along? The woman from End of Time, other examples etc. She just felt a little bit of a box ticking rather than someone i was invested in.
I feel like the best way they could've used Tecteun was to have her appear like Kovarian did in Series 6, watching over the doctor like you say, from her ship. Imagine if Revolution of the Daleks had her appear at the end just to say "The Doctor needs to be stopped. Release the Flux" or something, that alone would have instantly helped the character a lot IMO
I hate the possessive angle that 9 had, it was the worst aspect of a fantastic (lol) character. He was modeled off of war veterans and made to act like one, so seeing him (played by a 40 year old) act that way towards Rose (who is supposed to be 19) quite literally felt like the show portraying a glamorized idea of a man with a mid-life crisis grooming a young girl. I understand that is partially the intent and it is remarked upon several times, but still. The Adam subplot always made me annoyed because it was literally just the Doctor being pointlessly hostile to a young man around Rose's age displaying romantic intentions for her. Even Rob Shearman thought the character was pointless, and I can't blame him. Say what you will about 10 and Rose, it never felt like he was trying to keep her for himself.
I'm glad that they canned this. Because yeah, the Doctor has their faults, but I don't want this to happen, ever. It would destroy the Doctor's character for me. What I could accept happening is if the Doctor ends up doing it without knowing, like for example something influences them (like telepathic manipulation, perhaps, including a mind-wipe at the end, which isn't done right as the Doctor's subconscious is fighting against the influence) and the moment they notice/fight off the influence (which should be quickly), they make it right.
@@thewholook Maybe, but as I said, they'd have to be careful not to paint the Doctor as evil, as in, doing it on purpose realizing exactly what they're doing. And the very moment they do realize what's happening, they should stop it. The Doctor has their dark moments, but purposefully manipulating someone's life to "create the perfect companion" that goes too far. That's way too dark. That's something the Master might do. But not the Doctor. Not without being influenced (as in mind control or being tricked and thinking he's helping) or not really realizing what's happening. The Doctor, the way I view their character, wouldn't do it on purpose. It would be a character assassination.
Frankly, I think this idea would've sunk the revival in its first season. The Doctor's no stranger to committing morally questionable acts for the greater good, but manipulating someone's life from birth without their consent to create a "perfect companion" (whatever that means in practice) not only sounds selfish, but downright creepy as well. The closest any of the NewWho doctors comes to this is 11 in A Christmas Carol. Importantly, that situation is borne out of desperation and compassion. 11 never forces Kazran to change, he just nudges him on a kinder path and tries to nurture his better instincts. It's definitely manipulative, but it's still a far cry from meticulously engineering a person's entire life to make them exactly into who you want them to be. Not to mention that would imply the Doctor was complicit in Pete's death, which I cannot see Rose forgiving him for. I suspect this plot would've left a bad taste in a lot of new viewers' mouths and made them jump ship. Add to that the Doctor and Rose's relationship in season 2, and the already bad optics would dive into the gutter. None of this is to say the idea would've been impossible to pull off, but I have a very hard time belieiving it would've gone over well.
Unlikely going to be forgotten anytime soon, Russell said he doesn’t want to undo the work that was done with it, doesn’t mean he’ll address it too much but considering we’re 4 episodes in to RTD2 era and he’s mentioned it a fair bit so far I imagine we’ll hear more references or potentially more information at some point
Considering that The Doctor and Rose end up romantically involved, I think this episode would read an awful lot like grooming.
I mean, it already is. Bro is old enough to be her ancestor.
My issue with Tecteaun is she comes out of nowhere really and we're just told "She's important. Care."
Imagine if it turns out Tecteaun was watching the doctor's adventures all along? The woman from End of Time, other examples etc. She just felt a little bit of a box ticking rather than someone i was invested in.
I feel like the best way they could've used Tecteun was to have her appear like Kovarian did in Series 6, watching over the doctor like you say, from her ship. Imagine if Revolution of the Daleks had her appear at the end just to say "The Doctor needs to be stopped. Release the Flux" or something, that alone would have instantly helped the character a lot IMO
That sounds terrible.
I wouldn’t want the idea of The Doctor manipulating Rose as that would lead to negativity
I hate the possessive angle that 9 had, it was the worst aspect of a fantastic (lol) character. He was modeled off of war veterans and made to act like one, so seeing him (played by a 40 year old) act that way towards Rose (who is supposed to be 19) quite literally felt like the show portraying a glamorized idea of a man with a mid-life crisis grooming a young girl. I understand that is partially the intent and it is remarked upon several times, but still. The Adam subplot always made me annoyed because it was literally just the Doctor being pointlessly hostile to a young man around Rose's age displaying romantic intentions for her. Even Rob Shearman thought the character was pointless, and I can't blame him.
Say what you will about 10 and Rose, it never felt like he was trying to keep her for himself.
You forgot to show the unknown incarnations shown from the Mind Battle with Morbius.
This is what 7 was doing with Ace.
Yup, it was another reason why RTD wasn’t fully sold on the episode idea
Yeah. It was part of the Cartmel Masterplan which, if they had continued, would have been something very similar to what Chibnall eventually did.
I'm glad that they canned this.
Because yeah, the Doctor has their faults, but I don't want this to happen, ever. It would destroy the Doctor's character for me.
What I could accept happening is if the Doctor ends up doing it without knowing, like for example something influences them (like telepathic manipulation, perhaps, including a mind-wipe at the end, which isn't done right as the Doctor's subconscious is fighting against the influence) and the moment they notice/fight off the influence (which should be quickly), they make it right.
I feel like it could've damaged the revival doing it but now is the perfect opportunity to re-evaluate that episode idea
@@thewholook Maybe, but as I said, they'd have to be careful not to paint the Doctor as evil, as in, doing it on purpose realizing exactly what they're doing. And the very moment they do realize what's happening, they should stop it. The Doctor has their dark moments, but purposefully manipulating someone's life to "create the perfect companion" that goes too far. That's way too dark. That's something the Master might do. But not the Doctor. Not without being influenced (as in mind control or being tricked and thinking he's helping) or not really realizing what's happening. The Doctor, the way I view their character, wouldn't do it on purpose. It would be a character assassination.
Im glad this didn't happen. I probably would have ended up not becoming a fan of the show if the main character was that manipulative
Frankly, I think this idea would've sunk the revival in its first season. The Doctor's no stranger to committing morally questionable acts for the greater good, but manipulating someone's life from birth without their consent to create a "perfect companion" (whatever that means in practice) not only sounds selfish, but downright creepy as well. The closest any of the NewWho doctors comes to this is 11 in A Christmas Carol. Importantly, that situation is borne out of desperation and compassion. 11 never forces Kazran to change, he just nudges him on a kinder path and tries to nurture his better instincts. It's definitely manipulative, but it's still a far cry from meticulously engineering a person's entire life to make them exactly into who you want them to be. Not to mention that would imply the Doctor was complicit in Pete's death, which I cannot see Rose forgiving him for.
I suspect this plot would've left a bad taste in a lot of new viewers' mouths and made them jump ship. Add to that the Doctor and Rose's relationship in season 2, and the already bad optics would dive into the gutter. None of this is to say the idea would've been impossible to pull off, but I have a very hard time belieiving it would've gone over well.
I don't.
can we just forget the timeless child ever happened, it was quite possibly the most disrespectful things ever created
Unlikely going to be forgotten anytime soon, Russell said he doesn’t want to undo the work that was done with it, doesn’t mean he’ll address it too much but considering we’re 4 episodes in to RTD2 era and he’s mentioned it a fair bit so far I imagine we’ll hear more references or potentially more information at some point
It's a dumb reveal that only appeals to people so engrossed in fandom that they can't criticise the show or nerds who enjoy editing wikis lmao