You cannot drink alcohol while tapering or for two years once off.. A friend wrote this.. Having just 1 or 2 drinks can be enough to throw you into a withdrawal that you might not be able to pull yourself out of - and NOBODY will able to get you back on track with your taper or post-taper withdrawal (some people had to reinstate all the way back to the beginning - or updose even higher than their beginning and start all over again). This is because the primary effect of alcohol is the upregulation of glutamatergic receptors (alcohol opens the chloride ion channel of GABA receptors directly, so the body responds with more glutamate - the changes to the GABA receptors aren't as severe as with benzos). And these glutamatergic receptors are not homeostatic like GABA receptors - changes to glutamatergic receptors tend to stick around. Couple that with already weakened GABA receptors, and you are putting yourself at VERY serious risk for protracted withdrawal or being thrown back into acute withdrawal, no matter how well you are doing with your taper or how well your taper went. Please reconsider not drinking until long after your taper is finished - say about 2 years or so, just to make sure that all of your receptors have recovered (some people would say to never take a GABA agonist or positive allosteric modulator ever again). There are members who went 12 months or more after a taper who ended up back in withdrawal after consuming alcohol just once and not much of it.. Please, please, please be careful with anything which impacts GABA receptors upsetting an already fragile and raw system post benzo taper. Nobody wants to repeat or prolong this Hell.. Thanks.
THIS IS A REPOST FROM A VIEWER (I accidentally deleted the original written by Paul Chomiak) Glutamate and GABA are the brain’s major “workhorse” neurotransmitters. Over half of all brain synapses release Glutamate, and 30-40% of all brain synapses release GABA. GABA and Glutamate regulate action potential traffic. GABA, an inhibitory neurotransmitter, stops action potentials. Glutamate, an excitatory neurotransmitter, starts action potentials or keeps them going. Since GABA is inhibitory and Glutamate is excitatory, both neurotransmitters work together to control many processes, including the brain’s overall level of excitation. Tranquilizers (Benzodiazepines) increase GABA activity. (Calming the CNS and PNS) Alcohol increases GABA activity (Just like benzos). Alcohol decreases Glutamate activity but it spikes back higher when the alcohol wears off (hangover, anxiety and tremors the next day). Caffeine increases Glutamate activity. Caffeine inhibits GABA release. -> (You feel anxious, wired) Benzodiazepines effect GABA by unnaturally boosting it's intake and keeping it elevated (alcohol has the same effect) resulting in sedative, hypnotic, anxiolytic (anti-anxiety), anticonvulsant, and muscle relaxant properties. Conversely, the body produces more Glutamate (taking in higher amounts of Glutamate) to compensate for the now elevated levels of GABA being absorbed. (the body likes to stay in balance.) Here is where is all goes wrong.. Over a long period of time (4 weeks or more) Benzodiazepines slowly down-regulate your GABA receptors since they don't need to work as hard to utilize large amounts of GABA. (They become lazy, weaken and unnecessary GABA receptors are absorbed back into the body.) At this point Inter-dose withdrawal might start occurring or worse, tolerance of the medication. When Benzodiazepine Tolerance hits (the medication starts to fail) your GABA intake slows down and it’s like you’re slowly letting off the brakes on the now elevated Glutamate system. This causes Inter-dose Withdrawal symptoms i.e. anxiety, panic attacks, anger, rage, insomnia, phobias, depression, memory issues, etc. (even though you are taking your medication as prescribed). Doctors will prescribe more of the Benzodiazepine to compensate for this event (Up-Dosing) and some relief may be experienced but your body will adjust and withdrawal symptoms come roaring back. This is an endless cycle which must be avoided. When all else fails your doctor will prescribe an SSRI, Anti-Depressant or SNRI to try to put a band-aid on the symptoms, but it's too late and you must now come off of the medication. Your GABA receptors, now damaged, weak and under-performing due to benzo use (unnaturally forcing high levels of GABA through them), must "Up-Regulate" (heal) back to their original, natural, non-medicated state before they can once again function properly balancing out GABA and Glutamate levels, however your Glutamate receptors are now Up-Regulated (taking in more Glutamate than normal) and these Glutamate receptors must adjust back down (Down-Regulate) for your body and mind to once again perform normally. This imbalance of high glutamate levels and low GABA levels is what causes Inter-dose Withdrawal and the horror of tapering off. Only time and patience can heal GABA receptors once the medication is completely out of your system. Slowly tapering off of your Benzodiazepine over a long period of time is the only safe, logical and bearable method to rid yourself of Benzodiazepines and restore your health. Your GABA receptors must Up-Regulate back to normal and your Glutamate receptors must Down-Regulate back to normal to balance out. Tapering allows this very slow process to begin while slowly reducing benzo levels forcing the body starts healing your remaining GABA receptors and growing new ones. If you Cold Turkey (abruptly quit taking) your Benzodiazepine, Glutamate levels spike (no brakes) and the excitatory neurotransmitters go nuts causing insomnia, anxiety, panic, muscle tightness, elevated heart rate, muscle twitches. seizures, psychosis, and many other horrible side effects. Do Not Do This!! For most of us it took years to get into this mess (GABA receptor down regulation) and it's going to take years to get out of it. Try not to fear what side effects might occur as you taper off. Everybody is different therefore the experience of withdrawal, for you, will be different as well. Just take it a day at a time. P.S. .5mgs of Klonopin, or .5mgs of Xanax, or 1mg of Ativan are not low doses.. they all equate to 10mgs of Valium.. If you have been taking any of these medications for more then 3 weeks you are already physically dependent and cannot just stop. The record for physical dependency is 9 days. Additionally, some people take years to reach tolerance, some overa decade, while others can hit tolerance in a matter of weeks or less. If you require more and more of the medication to experience a therapeutic effect, you are already in tolerance. Slowly tapering off is your only option. Look up Liquid Titration of Benzo, or Dry Cutting Benzo to start your education. Do not taper faster than 5 - 10% per month. Above all, look up and read the Ashton Manual for more information and safe tapering instructions. DO NOT drink alcohol during your taper or for 18-24 months after it has ended!! Benzos also heavily impact the Limbic System of the brain causing horrendous depression, OCD like compulsions, overblown states of fight or flight responses, (i.e. over exaggerated startle response) and incredibly wild depressive, hopeless states while experiencing Inter-Dose withdrawal, tolerance of the medication, while tapering off and in recovery.. This brain system also needs to heal back to it's original, non-benzo state. Some people have compared what benzos do to the Limbic System to a chemical stroke from which it needs to recover.
Hey I'm on .25 clonozpam after being on .5 for few months it's been two months on .25 I have scaled the pill of .5 clonozpam at .16 grams then took half that 8 and reduced to.7 around 12% for past two weeks. Gunna dissolve a pill of.5 into two equal jaws of water 100 ml each then take out 13% then 1Ml a day for ten days then the next four stay at the same dose that'll be ten% reduction every two weeks. Is this a good idea and anything j should take while I do this like gaaba pills teas etc etc?m
I was prescribed 6mg of Xanax a day by my primary care physician for anxiety and panic disorder. He retired in December and I had to go to another doctor. Thank God I had my records because they were absolutely FLOORED that I was in such a high dose. I'm tapering now. I'm on 3mg a day and it's brutal. I am happy and relieved that I'm being tapered though. I wouldn't wish this on anyone.
Good work Noah. I love your videos, it's awesome having someone who goes through things we all do but is so open and honest about it. Love your positivity. Thanks man.
I have been taking 2mg of Klonopin every day for over 20 years. I saw a new doctor today (changed doctors because I wanted a female doc). She wants me to taper off Klonopin and she wants me to start taking a anti-depressant. No changes were made today, but I am scared to taper. I feel she is un-educated about the taper method. The thing is that I am not a drug seeker. I have PTSD and panic disorder. I feel that some of us need to take this med to function in life. I live by myself. I tried coming off this med before and I experienced horrible withdrawals, a feeling like swallowing knives, panic attacks came back with vengence! I lost 10 pounds, threw up and 102 temperature. What else can I use (natural essential oils?) to help with my anxiety and withdrawals coming up? Some people say maybe rosemary or lavender oils. I had a trauma in my very early age of 3 years old and then I started hyper-ventilating. That was not my fault. I tried psychotherapy, didn't work. I just feel at my age of 64, I would rather be chemically dependent (not abusing it) on Klonopin then suffer through the rest of my years. Any ideas?
i am off lorazepam since 3 weeks. Actually now i am feeling better without them, but the first week was a nightmare. I am still struggling with anxiety, mood disorders and suicidal thoughts, is very tough, only the ones that go through this knows. But i have hope that in the future the anxiety will pass, i pray to God. Thank you for this channel Bignoknow, you really helped me a lot. Respect and God bless you!
Good that you recognize the symptoms. I tapered off Xanax 2 mg per day down to none over an 8 week period. I felt like snapping on people and had very depressive symptoms. I got through it but it was miserable. Be sure to consult with your psychiatrist while tapering your dose. Good luck.
Been on 2 mg per day of Clonazepam for about 10 years. Tapering off slowly. I’m at 1.5 mg / day. Noticed right away moderate to severe tension headaches with some increase anxiety. Anyone else have these withdrawal symptoms?
Hi Shawn. It's taken me 14 months to go from 2.0 clonazapam to .25 after 25 years use for General Anxiety Disorder. It's been one hell of a struggle. Good luck with your taper.
I did the same thing to try to substitute alcohol with benzos. Biggest mistake you can make especially if you have depression and anxiety. The withdrawals are some of the worst you can possibly get from any drug and can be extremely dangerous. It masks your anxiety while you are on it but the second you don't have it the rebound effect brings wicked anxiety that is many times more magnified then before you took it. I see you are starting to see that now. Benzos of any kind do not get rid of anxiety they only make it ten times worse and make you dependent and go into extreme withdrawals every time. I've been watching your videos for the first time today and you seem like a pretty cool dude. I can tell by the way you speak that you have great social skills and probably do not have trouble communicating and connecting with people. I can't say how you feel inside however based on your apparent confidence level I can tell you don't even need to worry about your anxiety. In fact the more you think you have anxiety and that it is a problem the more it will manifest itself into a real hell that has been generated into a very real thing from a placebo like effect that's not real. I don't like the saying "its all in your head" because that seems like im implying that its not a problem or real at all, but I guess that's what I mean. You create your own emotions just like your mentality and outlook on life I think. Anyways I hope you can stay sober in general. I can totally relate right now especially with the alcohol issue. I just recently as of june 29 quit drinking and I plan on it being permanent. I started drinking about the same age as you did, always had older friends that could get it for me anytime I wanted. I drink every single night, at least a pint of vodka but usually a lot more from 14 till june 29th, I'm 27 now. I was also very reclusive with it, couldn't keep friends anymore. Dropped out of college. I could hold a job that was about it though. Just work come home drink, work come home drink on and on. Stopped being able to have a relationship at all, the alcohol made me so unstable that I didn't even try anymore, and still don't. It's completely wrecked the way I view life. I was always just waiting to get drunk. Any time I wasn't drinking it was just in-between time, like I felt like I was just waiting and waiting. Not even just to get drunk but for something in my life to change and just magically get better on it's own without me doing anything. I've recently released after a very intense LSD trip that I must quit for good or I will ruin my life and that "i" must change my life. It's not going to just magically change on its own. Strangley it hasn't been that hard for me to quit really so far. Which is great but I just have an extremely difficult time going to sleep without alcohol. I think for me that was one of the biggest reasons why I felt I couldn't quit in the past. It was really just out of fear but also a very real problem, but alcohol makes it worse. I realized it would eventually go away with time. I've started taking melatonin and it works like a fucking charm! I had heard of it before but never even thought about trying it. I figured it didn't work because it is just a natural neurotransmitter your brain already creates. Apparently I had a deficiency, or my brain wasn't able to produce it as well as it should. Maybe that's the whole reason I started up drinking so bad in the first place because before alcohol i always had trouble getting and staying asleep. Alcohol obviously did well putting me to sleep. Now life is going great though and I really think im done with alcohol for good. I don't have cravings or desire to drink what so ever anymore and its so strange how something that was such a big part of my life and was so important, I don't even think about anymore. My mood is ten times better, I don't wake up with hang overs. I feel great being able to say to myself I quit. I fucking did it! Even though its just been a few months I feel very confident in myself and don't see myself relapsing. Now ive just got to pick up the pieces and work on my communication and relationship skills. Try to make more friends. I feel like ive been missing out on life.
Reason being that I left that comment is I was watching your channel a few months ago and one of your heading read " Sober for 1 year". I'm not here to judge you. I understand everyone is human. We all struggle... Specifically with regards to addiction. Was re-emphasizing definition of "Sober". Best of luck with your tapering.
Maybe I missed it but were cutting your .25 with a pill cutter? I am titrating off .25 Klonopin via liquid titration. It is somewhat inexact because there can be a number of places along the way where one can make an error. For example to cut the (point) . 5 you don’t Always get an exact cut. Then when you measure 50 ML’s of milk into a glass jar it could be 48, 49 or 51 you know it’s hard to get exactly 50ml even with today’s syringes. The syringes, which I have to purchase on Amazon are cheaply made, and probably are somewhat in exact plus they break and stick after only a few uses. Anyway, it’s a plan and I go down .25ml daily. ALL of the 1 ml syringes are divided by .10ml so it’s not easy to even get .25 ml, I am actually getting 2/10 of 1 ml so I have eyeball between the .2 and .3 on the syringe. As I said, somewhat inexact. Plus EVERY syringe on Amazon that I have had to buy ALL say “single use only.” I started going down .25ml daily on April 28, 2019 and will not be through titrating this way until mid November 2019. Like yourself, I once thought around January, 2019 I could just go off .25 Klon, three days later I was in the ER because I really felt so much anger I wanted to kill myself or someone. It was at the VA and I am an old guy weigh 140 soaking wet and they put an armed guard on me, I talked to a team of 3 resident psychiatrists and after about 5 hours laying around they gave me some Ativan and sent me home after I promised not to kill myself. So, now here I am after about 54 days of titration and I am down to about 17 mg of Klon. It’s a long haul to November but by then I should be down to almost nothing. I am just going super slow to avoid those horrible withdrawals. And I am actually on a pretty low dose. I don’t see how some folks can get off 1 or 2 mg of Klonopin. That must be waaaay worse than what I am on. Hope all is now fine with you! If you are ever in Honolulu my wife and I would love to have a coffee with you. What a journey. My doctor had no idea how to help me. In fact he scoffed at even trying liquid titration. Sounds like you had a decent doctor.
Hi Noah, I saw my psychiatrist today, she wants me to taper Klonopin from 0.75 down to 0.50.. I've been on this slow taper for two months. I will admit I'm anxious since I've been on benzodiazpines for over thirty years.
I have the exact same problem. Im taking .5 a day split up... N i feel fine when i do. If i go 2 days w/out i feel depersonilazation, sore eyes, panicy, heavy and depressed. I want of. But im scared i cant do it. God help me. How do i work, care for my kids and live happily with this shit in my head. Scary..
One dr said 2 mg a day (5 yrs btw).is not high dose. Another said its extremely high. 🤔 I have such bad panic attacks anything less than 2 a day doesnt help.
I was on 2mg of klonopin for 3 weeks now tapering down and i'm on 0.125mg, i was cutting dose in half every 7 days, and trust me, the symphtoms are there shaking hands, panic attacks every day diarrea and more... And this was after just 3 weeks... I can imagine the horrors of quitting after years of use.
Thanks for this vid ! May I humbly suggest you reconsider whether unsuccessful people don´t like change. I live surrounded by a society that is very resistant to change. While there are big material drawbacks to this approach, studies show that these are amongst the happiest people in the world. When they leave their villages to go to work in modern cities, they can´t wait to return home. If I may give my thoughts: if you can´t get completely off Clonazepam, don´t worry about it, especially as you take such a tiny amount. You´re getting through each day, plus helping other people, so I say you´re successful and keep up the good work!
You need a dash mount for your vids so you can keep both hands on the wheel ;-) Thank you for the info in this one, and for your "disclaimer" that we all make mistakes and it's OK to slip now and then, just don't beat ourselves up over it. I tell my therapist that beating myself up is my favorite pass-time lol
Oh god that burning feeling. When I was coming off of benzos I felt like I constantly had a sunburn on the back top of my head. Don't feel too bad, Noah, doctors often do not explain just how fast the body gets addicted to benzos.
You should look into getting a mount for the car so that you can go hands free, that would make the driving while vlogging (DWV????) safer. I love these kinds of updates and I, like you, feel far more reflective when I am alone in my car on my commute into work.
I take 0.125 every other day which is not much at all should I worrie about getting addicted started talking them 2 weeks ago I get 0.5 and cut them into 4 pieces I'm definitely not abusing them but still like to know if I'm doin it the correct way not to get addicted
Hi Morgan I'm on 0.05mg for twice a day for 15yrs been tapering since last October. Half a pill at a time off on it for 12days now let me tell u it's really really tough don't get hooked on it .
How long and at what mg Rosie? I've been on klonopin for over 13+ years. I'm a slave to it. Cannot go off of it. Tried once & almost had a heart attack
I also have crazy dreams about tsunamis and other stuff I won't mention. But they do pass in frequency at first it's every night they just don't disappear forever.
Also, I switched from Xanax to klonopin because it lasts longer and the withdrawal is not as bad. Maybe try that or Valium that's another long acting benzo.
Im going to make it a goal of my own to go on every vid dealing with anxiety, ptsd, panic attacks and spread awareness on CBD! CBD improved my lifestyle significantly. It's the medicinal property in marijuana that has no psychoacive effects so it doesnt get you high. The natural calmness you get from it seems too good to be true but it has no side effects unlike benzos prescribed by doctors. i strongly advise everyone to do their research and learn more abouy this miraculous under-rated medicine,CBD!
I am so glad that I found a video confirming what I have been feeling with the warm Sensations on my brain! You and I are almost identical except I was taking 2 or 3 per day and drinking on and off with them. When I noticed the symptoms, just like you I immediately started tapering off without a prescription. This is one of the worst things I've ever gone through in my life I'm trying to seek help immediately. I have never wanted my normal brain back more in my entire life. This sucks please share some insight if you can.
Both are extremely dangerous to just stop or even taper too fast. I used to drink a fifth a day and a six pk. Plus klonopin. I quit booze completely. I just lost the desire and realized one day that I havent had a drink in weeks. Now almost 2 yrs. Benzos prevented alcohol w/Drawal, im sure. Point is, he is trying it is not Easy to get off benzos or alcohol. I was lucky. Very! Benzo withdrawal is no fun. Anxiety is no fun. I will admit im scared to even taper. Being honest at least.
Antidepressants have always worked for me, up until recently. I got a full time construction job, and now I have really bad anxiety at night and when I wake up. I used to only have derealization, but now with my recent anxiety, I was thinking about trying benzos. Although when I've tried xanax, it just makes me dizzy and fall asleep. Not sure what I can do in the morning.
Thanks for the advice. I think I will try switching antidepressants before going the clonopin route. I've doubled my dose of zoloft but I still feel shaky, sick, and have traditional anxiety in the mornings. Derealization is still at bay.
I'm very glad to hear that you are finding a new system for yourself. You are a VERY self aware person and I applaud you for that. With that said, concentrate on your driving! lol!
Get a mg scale and do .01mg taper a month. I went from 2mg of Xanax, the most addicting of the benzos, to 1mg. A 50% taper. 4 or 5 months of feeling a little tense, not being able to concentrate for very long, and the symptoms leveled off. I then went down to .5mg, and with vigorous exercise, and I mean like stationary bikes, rowing machines, weight lifting, and punching bags like 6 hours a day and I had no withdrawals from that taper. If i did, the exercise allowed me to weather the storm. Then I started this job that is stressful beyond description and went back up to 1mg. I am kicking myself for that, because I still think I was near the finish line. Plan to taper off from 1mg by cutting off .01 mg a month over a 10 month period, with weekly acupuncture, vigorous exercise, and the supervision of an addiction psychiatrist. A slow but gradual taper is the best way, hopefully you can find a physician to supervise it. In my case, I will have to go it alone. most doctors will drop you like a hot rock if you tell them you are going through hell getting off the meds they prescribed you. Do some research. Benzobuddies is a great source of advice and support, online youtube videos offer helpful suggestions. The late Dr Stuart Kloda, addiction psychiatrist, offered some helpful hints and encouragement.
I’m on my 6th day without it and started to get really dizzy easily and this weird headache feeling/ confusing not alerted and my heart rate would go up easily by just even taking out the trash is this possibly a withdrawal? I feel bro after a nap but after 3 min from waking up it starts again
Damn. You seemed to have been having luck with the Benzos... I was going to have my doc prescribe them to me. Now, it seems like there's no getting over my anxiety.. Alcohol is the only thing that calms it, and its almost ruined my life. I wonder if everyone has the side effects you're experiencing..?
Whatever you do,i would run as far away from benzos as you can!I never knew a drug could screw someone up so bad!I took it as prescribed and it was causing me horrible symptoms and i quit it over 8 months ago and now i can hardly function from the neurological damaging symptoms i have 24/7.One of my worst symptoms is i feel like i'm on LSD everday.No sense of time and unable to even look into tonight or tomorrow to picture how my days will be.I am unable to feel any kind of good emotion,like joy/happiness/excitement or pleasure for anything at all.These are just some of my symptomsI wish i had someone warn me about benzos before i ever took them!Withdrawals from opiates and methadone are a cake walk compared to this hell.Do yourself a favor and research any medication before you ever take it and if there's a support group for that drug,it means it's horrible and you should never take it lol.If you want to learn more about the horror benzos create before you ever have the dr put you on them,check out this fb support group facebook.com/groups/benzorecovery/
BumbleBeyyy im sorry you have to go through that. But know that you dont have to give in to anxiety. There is a pretty controversial but promising treatment for anxiety using pshychedlics. And by that i mean microdosing where you dont trip but still get the benefits. Im not telling you to use them, but try researching them. Also checkyour hormones...you'd be surprised on how much influence these have on your emotions. God Bless
Go read Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker if you want to know the history of psychiatric drugs, including benzo's. You'll never swallow an anti-depressant again.
Did you get the shakes, and clammy hands and feet, high bp and heart rate, panic, and tight chest and throat? Are you on other medication besides Klonopin?
Hello everyone..I take 80mg of Prozac and 300mg of Brutin SR..I feel like this is too much but my doctor doesn't.. I've been taking Prozac for the past 5 years and Butrin for about 6 months.. I was taking Xanax 4mg a day but I hated the way it would make me feel..
+Morten Kristoffersen um I take it as prescribed and have zero problems....that is why the Internet is the LAST place to get medical advice , a doctor knows 20x what YT people know, even if you say "those doctors know nothing about benzo w/d" when in fact they do know all about it, they have done hands on clinicals with patients
Thank you for that video! Very helpful to me as I begin a taper off of .5 mg per day for the past several years!! It is just time as I am tired of being sooooo dependent on a drug!
i'm planning on using klonopin again, not touched a drug since february but klonopin is theraputic and safe at low doses. I will go for in between 0.25mg-0.5mg which is around 0.35-0.40mg (in between threshold and light). So it is like i'm re entering the house, i'm at the doorstep and i've forgotten what it feels like which scares me and excites me.
Whatever you do,i would run as far away from benzos as you can!I never knew a drug could screw someone up so bad!I took it as prescribed and it was causing me horrible symptoms and i quit it over 8 months ago and now i can hardly function from the neurological damaging symptoms i have 24/7.One of my worst symptoms is i feel like i'm on LSD everday.No sense of time and unable to even look into tonight or tomorrow to picture how my days will be.I am unable to feel any kind of good emotion,like joy/happiness/excitement or pleasure for anything at all.These are just some of my symptomsI wish i had someone warn me about benzos before i ever took them!Withdrawals from opiates and methadone are a cake walk compared to this hell.Do yourself a favor and research any medication before you ever take it and if there's a support group for that drug,it means it's horrible and you should never take it lol.If you want to learn more about the horror benzos create before you ever have the dr put you on them,check out this fb support group facebook.com/groups/benzorecovery/
It took you 3 weeks i was taking 5mg a day if you just stopped for a week the worst is over and you were on a small dose.All you can do is move forward and not wallow in self pitty.
Same exact story for me, 2-4 times a week at 0.5mgs. Started experiencing depersonalization, Derealisation along with dizziness so bad I couldn't even get out of the house. I found a video on doing the 1% taper And have been on it for the past 2 months. It's working amazingly! I started on a 0.25 every day after I started experiencing the withdrawals. And would cut the pill by 1% every 2 days. A 0.25 is a half of a 0.5 pill and it weighs around 0.090grams. I am now down to 0.062. With hardly no side effects. Can't wait to finally get off of it completely.
Great job on the taper!! That's a very small amount and I was able to go from .25mg a day for a week to every other day for two weeks to nothing. Benzos mess up your brain just like alcohol. Pretty sad a lot of doctors keep prescribing patients for years when it's really only good for short term use.
I literally wondered how you were doing yesterday. Weird! I told you!! Listen to me. If only I could go back and talk to my 21yo self! 43 now too late for me.
Yeah you don't have withdrawal at all, you have rebound anxiety. You seem to be someone that should be on benzos everyday for the record , they can help people
+Wolvez Weed only makes anxiety worse if you go out Sitting at home and smoking is very comforting and helps sleep without the need for prescription drugs
I've been on klonopin for 4 years and before that xanax for 5 years. I've tried smoking weed and my anxiety skyrocketed every single time. I did go the LV and bought gummies and taking half of one got rid of my anxiety, so I stupidly took a full one and I couldn't walk, everything was spinning. Igetting the right strain from a person who knows what they are doing is really important. I'm just now in my second cycle of tapering and I'm terrified I'll spiral and become suicidal because of the horrible withdrawal symptoms
Really appreciated your honesty throughout your life chapters, I'm trying to listen to what you're saying but keep coming back to "damn he can muli-task." you grown, so you do what you want, however if driving, chatting, making a video is even a little bit distracting, you are putting other people's lives at risk. I'm starting to feel guilty for even watching your driving vids, like calling someone to shoottheshit and you know they're driving. You seem really sharp and focused, however we keep telling you about this because we care. Even the dude driving behind you tried to tell you. You must be a Taurus cause ya stubborn as hell. noknow stop being selfish and drop the phone, get a dash cam at the very very least. I'll send you one all the way from United Kingdom✈ mate.
You cannot drink alcohol while tapering or for two years once off.. A friend wrote this..
Having just 1 or 2 drinks can be enough to throw you into a withdrawal that you might not be able to pull yourself out of - and NOBODY will able to get you back on track with your taper or post-taper withdrawal (some people had to reinstate all the way back to the beginning - or updose even higher than their beginning and start all over again). This is because the primary effect of alcohol is the upregulation of glutamatergic receptors (alcohol opens the chloride ion channel of GABA receptors directly, so the body responds with more glutamate - the changes to the GABA receptors aren't as severe as with benzos). And these glutamatergic receptors are not homeostatic like GABA receptors - changes to glutamatergic receptors tend to stick around. Couple that with already weakened GABA receptors, and you are putting yourself at VERY serious risk for protracted withdrawal or being thrown back into acute withdrawal, no matter how well you are doing with your taper or how well your taper went.
Please reconsider not drinking until long after your taper is finished - say about 2 years or so, just to make sure that all of your receptors have recovered (some people would say to never take a GABA agonist or positive allosteric modulator ever again).
There are members who went 12 months or more after a taper who ended up back in withdrawal after consuming alcohol just once and not much of it.. Please, please, please be careful with anything which impacts GABA receptors upsetting an already fragile and raw system post benzo taper. Nobody wants to repeat or prolong this Hell.. Thanks.
THIS IS A REPOST FROM A VIEWER (I accidentally deleted the original written by Paul Chomiak)
Glutamate and GABA are the brain’s major “workhorse” neurotransmitters. Over half of all brain synapses release Glutamate, and 30-40% of all brain synapses release GABA.
GABA and Glutamate regulate action potential traffic.
GABA, an inhibitory neurotransmitter, stops action potentials.
Glutamate, an excitatory neurotransmitter, starts action potentials or keeps them going.
Since GABA is inhibitory and Glutamate is excitatory, both neurotransmitters work together to control many processes, including the brain’s overall level of excitation.
Tranquilizers (Benzodiazepines) increase GABA activity. (Calming the CNS and PNS)
Alcohol increases GABA activity (Just like benzos).
Alcohol decreases Glutamate activity but it spikes back higher when the alcohol wears off (hangover, anxiety and tremors the next day).
Caffeine increases Glutamate activity.
Caffeine inhibits GABA release. -> (You feel anxious, wired)
Benzodiazepines effect GABA by unnaturally boosting it's intake and keeping it elevated (alcohol has the same effect) resulting in sedative, hypnotic, anxiolytic (anti-anxiety), anticonvulsant, and muscle relaxant properties. Conversely, the body produces more Glutamate (taking in higher amounts of Glutamate) to compensate for the now elevated levels of GABA being absorbed. (the body likes to stay in balance.)
Here is where is all goes wrong..
Over a long period of time (4 weeks or more) Benzodiazepines slowly down-regulate your GABA receptors since they don't need to work as hard to utilize large amounts of GABA. (They become lazy, weaken and unnecessary GABA receptors are absorbed back into the body.) At this point Inter-dose withdrawal might start occurring or worse, tolerance of the
medication.
When Benzodiazepine Tolerance hits (the medication starts to fail) your GABA intake slows down and it’s like you’re slowly letting off the brakes on the now elevated Glutamate system. This causes Inter-dose Withdrawal symptoms i.e. anxiety, panic attacks, anger, rage, insomnia, phobias, depression, memory issues, etc. (even though you are taking your medication as prescribed). Doctors will prescribe more of the Benzodiazepine to compensate for this event (Up-Dosing) and some relief may be experienced but your body will adjust and withdrawal symptoms come roaring back. This is an endless cycle which must be avoided. When all else fails your doctor will prescribe an SSRI, Anti-Depressant or SNRI to try to put a band-aid on the symptoms, but it's too late and you must now come off of the medication.
Your GABA receptors, now damaged, weak and under-performing due to benzo use (unnaturally forcing high levels of GABA through them), must "Up-Regulate" (heal) back to their original, natural, non-medicated state before they can once again function properly balancing out GABA and Glutamate levels, however your Glutamate receptors are now Up-Regulated (taking in more Glutamate than normal) and these Glutamate receptors must adjust back down (Down-Regulate) for your body and mind to once again perform normally. This imbalance of high glutamate levels and low GABA levels is what causes Inter-dose Withdrawal and the horror of tapering off. Only time and patience can heal GABA receptors once the medication is completely out of your system. Slowly tapering off of your Benzodiazepine over a long period of time is the only safe, logical and bearable method to rid yourself of Benzodiazepines and restore your health. Your GABA receptors must Up-Regulate back to normal and your Glutamate receptors must Down-Regulate back to normal to balance out. Tapering allows this very slow process to begin while slowly reducing benzo levels forcing the body starts healing your remaining GABA receptors and growing new ones.
If you Cold Turkey (abruptly quit taking) your Benzodiazepine, Glutamate levels spike (no brakes) and the excitatory neurotransmitters go nuts causing insomnia, anxiety, panic, muscle tightness, elevated heart rate, muscle twitches. seizures, psychosis, and many other horrible side effects. Do Not Do This!!
For most of us it took years to get into this mess (GABA receptor down regulation) and it's going to take years to get out of it. Try not to fear what side effects might occur as you taper off. Everybody is different therefore the experience of withdrawal, for you, will be different as well. Just take it a day at a time.
P.S. .5mgs of Klonopin, or .5mgs of Xanax, or 1mg of Ativan are not low doses.. they all equate to 10mgs of Valium.. If you have been taking any of these medications for more then 3 weeks you are already physically dependent and cannot just stop. The record for physical dependency is 9 days. Additionally, some people take years to reach tolerance, some overa decade, while others can hit tolerance in a matter of weeks or less. If you require more and more of the medication to experience a therapeutic effect, you are already in tolerance. Slowly tapering off is your only option. Look up Liquid Titration of Benzo, or Dry Cutting Benzo to start your education. Do not taper faster than 5 - 10% per month. Above all, look up and read the Ashton Manual for more information and safe tapering instructions.
DO NOT drink alcohol during your taper or for 18-24 months after it has ended!!
Benzos also heavily impact the Limbic System of the brain causing horrendous depression, OCD like compulsions, overblown states of fight or flight responses, (i.e. over exaggerated startle response) and incredibly wild depressive, hopeless states while experiencing Inter-Dose withdrawal, tolerance of the medication, while tapering off and in recovery.. This brain system also needs to heal back to it's original, non-benzo state. Some people have compared what benzos do to the Limbic System to a chemical stroke from which it needs to recover.
how long have you been on kpin?
bignoknow I am on a benzo and an ssri. Which one was harder to get off of?
Thank you for very nice information
I experienced all those abrupt withdrawl symptoms last night.. i dont recommend to anyone!!
Hey I'm on .25 clonozpam after being on .5 for few months it's been two months on .25 I have scaled the pill of .5 clonozpam at .16 grams then took half that 8 and reduced to.7 around 12% for past two weeks. Gunna dissolve a pill of.5 into two equal jaws of water 100 ml each then take out 13% then 1Ml a day for ten days then the next four stay at the same dose that'll be ten% reduction every two weeks. Is this a good idea and anything j should take while I do this like gaaba pills teas etc etc?m
I was prescribed 6mg of Xanax a day by my primary care physician for anxiety and panic disorder. He retired in December and I had to go to another doctor. Thank God I had my records because they were absolutely FLOORED that I was in such a high dose. I'm tapering now. I'm on 3mg a day and it's brutal. I am happy and relieved that I'm being tapered though. I wouldn't wish this on anyone.
Hope your taper is going well.I am 80% down in a year.I never knew benzos were made by the Devil!
BIG MINNOW Really, who knew. The package insert with my Klonopin read pretty scary but I had no idea how tough it would be to get off this poison.
Kristie, please give us an update! I'm going through something very similar!
How are you Kristie?
Good work Noah.
I love your videos, it's awesome having someone who goes through things we all do but is so open and honest about it. Love your positivity. Thanks man.
2.5 mg A WEEK!? Omg that’s NOTHING! Wow you’re blowing this so out of proportion. What a baby!
I have been taking 2mg of Klonopin every day for over 20 years. I saw a new doctor today (changed doctors because I wanted a female doc). She wants me to taper off Klonopin and she wants me to start taking a anti-depressant. No changes were made today, but I am scared to taper. I feel she is un-educated about the taper method. The thing is that I am not a drug seeker. I have PTSD and panic disorder. I feel that some of us need to take this med to function in life. I live by myself. I tried coming off this med before and I experienced horrible withdrawals, a feeling like swallowing knives, panic attacks came back with vengence! I lost 10 pounds, threw up and 102 temperature. What else can I use (natural essential oils?) to help with my anxiety and withdrawals coming up? Some people say maybe rosemary or lavender oils. I had a trauma in my very early age of 3 years old and then I started hyper-ventilating. That was not my fault. I tried psychotherapy, didn't work. I just feel at my age of 64, I would rather be chemically dependent (not abusing it) on Klonopin then suffer through the rest of my years. Any ideas?
Linda J , how are you doing now ?
i am off lorazepam since 3 weeks. Actually now i am feeling better without them, but the first week was a nightmare. I am still struggling with anxiety, mood disorders and suicidal thoughts, is very tough, only the ones that go through this knows. But i have hope that in the future the anxiety will pass, i pray to God. Thank you for this channel Bignoknow, you really helped me a lot. Respect and God bless you!
Good that you recognize the symptoms. I tapered off Xanax 2 mg per day down to none over an 8 week period. I felt like snapping on people and had very depressive symptoms. I got through it but it was miserable. Be sure to consult with your psychiatrist while tapering your dose. Good luck.
Been on 2 mg per day of Clonazepam for about 10 years. Tapering off slowly. I’m at 1.5 mg / day. Noticed right away moderate to severe tension headaches with some increase anxiety. Anyone else have these withdrawal symptoms?
Hi Shawn. It's taken me 14 months to go from 2.0 clonazapam to .25 after 25 years use for General Anxiety Disorder. It's been one hell of a struggle. Good luck with your taper.
@Reality NotFiction Hi. It took me three months each to go from:
2.0 to 1.5
1.5 to 1.0
1.0 to .75
.75 to .50
.50 to .25
I did the same thing to try to substitute alcohol with benzos. Biggest mistake you can make especially if you have depression and anxiety. The withdrawals are some of the worst you can possibly get from any drug and can be extremely dangerous. It masks your anxiety while you are on it but the second you don't have it the rebound effect brings wicked anxiety that is many times more magnified then before you took it. I see you are starting to see that now. Benzos of any kind do not get rid of anxiety they only make it ten times worse and make you dependent and go into extreme withdrawals every time. I've been watching your videos for the first time today and you seem like a pretty cool dude. I can tell by the way you speak that you have great social skills and probably do not have trouble communicating and connecting with people. I can't say how you feel inside however based on your apparent confidence level I can tell you don't even need to worry about your anxiety. In fact the more you think you have anxiety and that it is a problem the more it will manifest itself into a real hell that has been generated into a very real thing from a placebo like effect that's not real. I don't like the saying "its all in your head" because that seems like im implying that its not a problem or real at all, but I guess that's what I mean. You create your own emotions just like your mentality and outlook on life I think. Anyways I hope you can stay sober in general. I can totally relate right now especially with the alcohol issue. I just recently as of june 29 quit drinking and I plan on it being permanent. I started drinking about the same age as you did, always had older friends that could get it for me anytime I wanted. I drink every single night, at least a pint of vodka but usually a lot more from 14 till june 29th, I'm 27 now. I was also very reclusive with it, couldn't keep friends anymore. Dropped out of college. I could hold a job that was about it though. Just work come home drink, work come home drink on and on. Stopped being able to have a relationship at all, the alcohol made me so unstable that I didn't even try anymore, and still don't. It's completely wrecked the way I view life. I was always just waiting to get drunk. Any time I wasn't drinking it was just in-between time, like I felt like I was just waiting and waiting. Not even just to get drunk but for something in my life to change and just magically get better on it's own without me doing anything. I've recently released after a very intense LSD trip that I must quit for good or I will ruin my life and that "i" must change my life. It's not going to just magically change on its own. Strangley it hasn't been that hard for me to quit really so far. Which is great but I just have an extremely difficult time going to sleep without alcohol. I think for me that was one of the biggest reasons why I felt I couldn't quit in the past. It was really just out of fear but also a very real problem, but alcohol makes it worse. I realized it would eventually go away with time. I've started taking melatonin and it works like a fucking charm! I had heard of it before but never even thought about trying it. I figured it didn't work because it is just a natural neurotransmitter your brain already creates. Apparently I had a deficiency, or my brain wasn't able to produce it as well as it should. Maybe that's the whole reason I started up drinking so bad in the first place because before alcohol i always had trouble getting and staying asleep. Alcohol obviously did well putting me to sleep. Now life is going great though and I really think im done with alcohol for good. I don't have cravings or desire to drink what so ever anymore and its so strange how something that was such a big part of my life and was so important, I don't even think about anymore. My mood is ten times better, I don't wake up with hang overs. I feel great being able to say to myself I quit. I fucking did it! Even though its just been a few months I feel very confident in myself and don't see myself relapsing. Now ive just got to pick up the pieces and work on my communication and relationship skills. Try to make more friends. I feel like ive been missing out on life.
This drug has taken my life, my personality, everything!
Are u on klonopin too? I wld always forget stuff and felt so stupid!!
Same 10 years of my young life through my 20's and 30's. Now the hell of getting off Xanax will last at the very least 1-2 years even more.
@@kdelka81 how are you doing now?
Its great you recognised the problem when it was a very small one. Good, clear, thinking. Best to you.
:)
Reason being that I left that comment is I was watching your channel a few months ago and one of your heading read " Sober for 1 year". I'm not here to judge you. I understand everyone is human. We all struggle... Specifically with regards to addiction. Was re-emphasizing definition of "Sober". Best of luck with your tapering.
Maybe I missed it but were cutting your .25 with a pill cutter? I am titrating off .25 Klonopin via liquid titration. It is somewhat inexact because there can be a number of places along the way where one can make an error. For example to cut the (point) . 5 you don’t Always get an exact cut. Then when you measure 50 ML’s of milk into a glass jar it could be 48, 49 or 51 you know it’s hard to get exactly 50ml even with today’s syringes. The syringes, which I have to purchase on Amazon are cheaply made, and probably are somewhat in exact plus they break and stick after only a few uses. Anyway, it’s a plan and I go down .25ml daily. ALL of the 1 ml syringes are divided by .10ml so it’s not easy to even get .25 ml, I am actually getting 2/10 of 1 ml so I have eyeball between the .2 and .3 on the syringe. As I said, somewhat inexact. Plus EVERY syringe on Amazon that I have had to buy ALL say “single use only.” I started going down .25ml daily on April 28, 2019 and will not be through titrating this way until mid November 2019. Like yourself, I once thought around January, 2019 I could just go off .25 Klon, three days later I was in the ER because I really felt so much anger I wanted to kill myself or someone. It was at the VA and I am an old guy weigh 140 soaking wet and they put an armed guard on me, I talked to a team of 3 resident psychiatrists and after about 5 hours laying around they gave me some Ativan and sent me home after I promised not to kill myself.
So, now here I am after about 54 days of titration and I am down to about 17 mg of Klon. It’s a long haul to November but by then I should be down to almost nothing.
I am just going super slow to avoid those horrible withdrawals. And I am actually on a pretty low dose. I don’t see how some folks can get off 1 or 2 mg of Klonopin. That must be waaaay worse than what I am on.
Hope all is now fine with you! If you are ever in Honolulu my wife and I would love to have a coffee with you. What a journey. My doctor had no idea how to help me. In fact he scoffed at even trying liquid titration. Sounds like you had a decent doctor.
Hi Noah, I saw my psychiatrist today, she wants me to taper Klonopin from 0.75 down to 0.50.. I've been on this slow taper for two months. I will admit I'm anxious since I've been on benzodiazpines for over thirty years.
How did it go? I am over a decade in but on 4mg
@@kittykat831 how are you doing now?
I have the exact same problem. Im taking .5 a day split up... N i feel fine when i do. If i go 2 days w/out i feel depersonilazation, sore eyes, panicy, heavy and depressed. I want of. But im scared i cant do it. God help me. How do i work, care for my kids and live happily with this shit in my head. Scary..
You can do it i was taking 5mg a day every day after a week the worst is over if you go the long run and taper it just stays in your body longer.
One dr said 2 mg a day (5 yrs btw).is not high dose. Another said its extremely high. 🤔
I have such bad panic attacks anything less than 2 a day doesnt help.
Wow the colors on this video look amazing!
Sounds like you are taking it head on. It's not easy, but I'm glad you are addressing it. Thoughts and prayers with you man.
I was on 2mg of klonopin for 3 weeks now tapering down and i'm on 0.125mg, i was cutting dose in half every 7 days, and trust me, the symphtoms are there shaking hands, panic attacks every day diarrea and more... And this was after just 3 weeks... I can imagine the horrors of quitting after years of use.
Hope you quit.Your lucky you know the DANGER
How are you now?
It's a terrible feeling you find difficult to describe , every cell starts screaming for it .
My toes started curling inward cramping . 😓
Thanks for your honesty and transparency. Glad you're doing well.
addiction sucks I've been on a medicine 6 years trying to get off it i liked my opiates now I'm on a medicine Suboxone for it's a hard thing to quit
did you ever consider using lexapro? It helps seratonin amazingly (you said you tested low)... and balances anxiety producing adrenaline....
I agree, Lexapro is now prescribed for anxiety orders, also eliminated derealization
Thanks for this vid ! May I humbly suggest you reconsider whether unsuccessful people don´t like change. I live surrounded by a society that is very resistant to change. While there are big material drawbacks to this approach, studies show that these are amongst the happiest people in the world. When they leave their villages to go to work in modern cities, they can´t wait to return home. If I may give my thoughts: if you can´t get completely off Clonazepam, don´t worry about it, especially as you take such a tiny amount. You´re getting through each day, plus helping other people, so I say you´re successful and keep up the good work!
You need a dash mount for your vids so you can keep both hands on the wheel ;-) Thank you for the info in this one, and for your "disclaimer" that we all make mistakes and it's OK to slip now and then, just don't beat ourselves up over it. I tell my therapist that beating myself up is my favorite pass-time lol
Oh god that burning feeling. When I was coming off of benzos I felt like I constantly had a sunburn on the back top of my head. Don't feel too bad, Noah, doctors often do not explain just how fast the body gets addicted to benzos.
You should look into getting a mount for the car so that you can go hands free, that would make the driving while vlogging (DWV????) safer.
I love these kinds of updates and I, like you, feel far more reflective when I am alone in my car on my commute into work.
I take 0.125 every other day which is not much at all should I worrie about getting addicted started talking them 2 weeks ago I get 0.5 and cut them into 4 pieces I'm definitely not abusing them but still like to know if I'm doin it the correct way not to get addicted
Hi Morgan I'm on 0.05mg for twice a day for 15yrs been tapering since last October. Half a pill at a time off on it for 12days now let me tell u it's really really tough don't get hooked on it .
Did you have anxiety dreams? Tapering off Xanax is too hard for me because of the insanely vivid anxiety dreams causing extreme panic attacks
How long and at what mg Rosie? I've been on klonopin for over 13+ years. I'm a slave to it. Cannot go off of it. Tried once & almost had a heart attack
stay strong. you will get through this.
I also have crazy dreams about tsunamis and other stuff I won't mention. But they do pass in frequency at first it's every night they just don't disappear forever.
Also, I switched from Xanax to klonopin because it lasts longer and the withdrawal is not as bad. Maybe try that or Valium that's another long acting benzo.
Easier to taper with in other words
Thanks again for being open and sharing.
How long were u on 2.5mg a week for how many months? Before u started to taper
Im going to make it a goal of my own to go on every vid dealing with anxiety, ptsd, panic attacks and spread awareness on CBD! CBD improved my lifestyle significantly. It's the medicinal property in marijuana that has no psychoacive effects so it doesnt get you high. The natural calmness you get from it seems too good to be true but it has no side effects unlike benzos prescribed by doctors. i strongly advise everyone to do their research and learn more abouy this miraculous under-rated medicine,CBD!
I am so glad that I found a video confirming what I have been feeling with the warm Sensations on my brain! You and I are almost identical except I was taking 2 or 3 per day and drinking on and off with them. When I noticed the symptoms, just like you I immediately started tapering off without a prescription. This is one of the worst things I've ever gone through in my life I'm trying to seek help immediately. I have never wanted my normal brain back more in my entire life. This sucks please share some insight if you can.
Do you still feel the effects of benzo wd?
I actually admired your vids months ago. Your still drinking and taking prescription drugs. Messing with fire gonna get burnt brah!
He's working on getting off of both.
Lifes a journey and I am human. My only goal is to be honest about that journey on this channel .
***** That's a blanket statement. Not all alcoholics are in denial. Blanket statements are wrong most of the time.
Both are extremely dangerous to just stop or even taper too fast. I used to drink a fifth a day and a six pk. Plus klonopin. I quit booze completely. I just lost the desire and realized one day that I havent had a drink in weeks. Now almost 2 yrs. Benzos prevented alcohol w/Drawal, im sure. Point is, he is trying it is not Easy to get off benzos or alcohol. I was lucky. Very! Benzo withdrawal is no fun. Anxiety is no fun. I will admit im scared to even taper. Being honest at least.
Antidepressants have always worked for me, up until recently. I got a full time construction job, and now I have really bad anxiety at night and when I wake up. I used to only have derealization, but now with my recent anxiety, I was thinking about trying benzos. Although when I've tried xanax, it just makes me dizzy and fall asleep. Not sure what I can do in the morning.
Thanks for the advice. I think I will try switching antidepressants before going the clonopin route. I've doubled my dose of zoloft but I still feel shaky, sick, and have traditional anxiety in the mornings. Derealization is still at bay.
Hey Noah, just wondering if you hVe any kind of cortisol problems or adrenal problems. Thanks
How long were you on benzos bro?
I'm very glad to hear that you are finding a new system for yourself. You are a VERY self aware person and I applaud you for that. With that said, concentrate on your driving! lol!
I've been taking 4mg a day for years but want to get off and i live in a shithole country that has no real good psychiatrists...I'm worried.
Get a mg scale and do .01mg taper a month. I went from 2mg of Xanax, the most addicting of the benzos, to 1mg. A 50% taper. 4 or 5 months of feeling a little tense, not being able to concentrate for very long, and the symptoms leveled off. I then went down to .5mg, and with vigorous exercise, and I mean like stationary bikes, rowing machines, weight lifting, and punching bags like 6 hours a day and I had no withdrawals from that taper. If i did, the exercise allowed me to weather the storm. Then I started this job that is stressful beyond description and went back up to 1mg. I am kicking myself for that, because I still think I was near the finish line. Plan to taper off from 1mg by cutting off .01 mg a month over a 10 month period, with weekly acupuncture, vigorous exercise, and the supervision of an addiction psychiatrist. A slow but gradual taper is the best way, hopefully you can find a physician to supervise it. In my case, I will have to go it alone. most doctors will drop you like a hot rock if you tell them you are going through hell getting off the meds they prescribed you. Do some research. Benzobuddies is a great source of advice and support, online youtube videos offer helpful suggestions. The late Dr Stuart Kloda, addiction psychiatrist, offered some helpful hints and encouragement.
Sorry did you say 2.5 milligrams a week ?!? ..........
I’m on my 6th day without it and started to get really dizzy easily and this weird headache feeling/ confusing not alerted and my heart rate would go up easily by just even taking out the trash is this possibly a withdrawal? I feel bro after a nap but after 3 min from waking up it starts again
Damn. You seemed to have been having luck with the Benzos... I was going to have my doc prescribe them to me. Now, it seems like there's no getting over my anxiety.. Alcohol is the only thing that calms it, and its almost ruined my life. I wonder if everyone has the side effects you're experiencing..?
Whatever you do,i would run as far away from benzos as you can!I never knew a drug could screw someone up so bad!I took it as prescribed and it was causing me horrible symptoms and i quit it over 8 months ago and now i can hardly function from the neurological damaging symptoms i have 24/7.One of my worst symptoms is i feel like i'm on LSD everday.No sense of time and unable to even look into tonight or tomorrow to picture how my days will be.I am unable to feel any kind of good emotion,like joy/happiness/excitement or pleasure for anything at all.These are just some of my symptomsI wish i had someone warn me about benzos before i ever took them!Withdrawals from opiates and methadone are a cake walk compared to this hell.Do yourself a favor and research any medication before you ever take it and if there's a support group for that drug,it means it's horrible and you should never take it lol.If you want to learn more about the horror benzos create before you ever have the dr put you on them,check out this fb support group facebook.com/groups/benzorecovery/
BENZO WARRIOR hi, im sorry you had to go through that. Its been a year since you posted this comment, may i ask how are you feeling now?
BumbleBeyyy im sorry you have to go through that. But know that you dont have to give in to anxiety. There is a pretty controversial but promising treatment for anxiety using pshychedlics. And by that i mean microdosing where you dont trip but still get the benefits. Im not telling you to use them, but try researching them. Also checkyour hormones...you'd be surprised on how much influence these have on your emotions. God Bless
Make sure you eat a clean diet, low in sugar and caffeine...and look into Herbs like Valerian and Chamomile..
Go read Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker if you want to know the history of psychiatric drugs, including benzo's. You'll never swallow an anti-depressant again.
Did you get the shakes, and clammy hands and feet, high bp and heart rate, panic, and tight chest and throat? Are you on other medication besides Klonopin?
ur opinon on gaba man??
Hello everyone..I take 80mg of Prozac and 300mg of Brutin SR..I feel like this is too much but my doctor doesn't.. I've been taking Prozac for the past 5 years and Butrin for about 6 months.. I was taking Xanax 4mg a day but I hated the way it would make me feel..
I'm baffled. I take one milligram about three to four nights a week and I don't feel dependent.
well if you stopped taking it, then you'd feel dependent. Klonopin has a long half life and takes about a week to finally leave your system.
That is the issue, you do not feel dependent. But the stuff will eventually take over your life, and it can kill you. Better to come off from it now!
It can kill you? how do you figure? it won't "take over" your life.. but you most likely will become dependent.
+drvonhoss withdrawals of high dosage can be fatal. It's similar to alcohol, if you quit cold turkey you risk seizure.
+Morten Kristoffersen um I take it as prescribed and have zero problems....that is why the Internet is the LAST place to get medical advice , a doctor knows 20x what YT people know, even if you say "those doctors know nothing about benzo w/d" when in fact they do know all about it, they have done hands on clinicals with patients
Thank you for that video! Very helpful to me as I begin a taper off of .5 mg per day for the past several years!! It is just time as I am tired of being sooooo dependent on a drug!
How are you?
Hi, how long from after you switched doses did you notice the withdrawal effects?
Depends on the benzo. Klonopin peaks at about 10-14 days due to the long half life
i'm planning on using klonopin again, not touched a drug since february but klonopin is theraputic and safe at low doses. I will go for in between 0.25mg-0.5mg which is around 0.35-0.40mg (in between threshold and light).
So it is like i'm re entering the house, i'm at the doorstep and i've forgotten what it feels like which scares me and excites me.
You are wrong it is not safe
It is safe once every 10 days or so at a low dose
That's what's 4 of my dead friends said.
+Neokufu if you only 'need' it every 10 days then you don't need it at all.
Whatever you do,i would run as far away from benzos as you can!I never knew a drug could screw someone up so bad!I took it as prescribed and it was causing me horrible symptoms and i quit it over 8 months ago and now i can hardly function from the neurological damaging symptoms i have 24/7.One of my worst symptoms is i feel like i'm on LSD everday.No sense of time and unable to even look into tonight or tomorrow to picture how my days will be.I am unable to feel any kind of good emotion,like joy/happiness/excitement or pleasure for anything at all.These are just some of my symptomsI wish i had someone warn me about benzos before i ever took them!Withdrawals from opiates and methadone are a cake walk compared to this hell.Do yourself a favor and research any medication before you ever take it and if there's a support group for that drug,it means it's horrible and you should never take it lol.If you want to learn more about the horror benzos create before you ever have the dr put you on them,check out this fb support group facebook.com/groups/benzorecovery/
I got to the point where I couldn't talk, put 2 & 2 together like cooking, forgot how to do simple things. I couldn't do it
NOAH!! Get yourself a camera holder for the car hun, they are so cheap these days!!!
Sounds like you may have found the right medication & dose for you. Good Luck!
Anything ever come of the tumeric regiment?
Thanks for sharing, going thru it now
It took you 3 weeks i was taking 5mg a day if you just stopped for a week the worst is over and you were on a small dose.All you can do is move forward and not wallow in self pitty.
Same exact story for me, 2-4 times a week at 0.5mgs. Started experiencing depersonalization, Derealisation along with dizziness so bad I couldn't even get out of the house. I found a video on doing the 1% taper And have been on it for the past 2 months. It's working amazingly! I started on a 0.25 every day after I started experiencing the withdrawals. And would cut the pill by 1% every 2 days. A 0.25 is a half of a 0.5 pill and it weighs around 0.090grams. I am now down to 0.062. With hardly no side effects. Can't wait to finally get off of it completely.
do you even lift?
Ashton manual...........I see a specialist in Canada. 10% a month. They should have switched you from Clo to Valium........most success.
Great job on the taper!! That's a very small amount and I was able to go from .25mg a day for a week to every other day for two weeks to nothing. Benzos mess up your brain just like alcohol. Pretty sad a lot of doctors keep prescribing patients for years when it's really only good for short term use.
I literally wondered how you were doing yesterday. Weird! I told you!! Listen to me. If only I could go back and talk to my 21yo self! 43 now too late for me.
Yeah you don't have withdrawal at all, you have rebound anxiety. You seem to be someone that should be on benzos everyday for the record , they can help people
I'm at 2mg a night
did some research look into this "Pregnenolone" over the counter...cheers. will help
many benzos have differents side effets, for example for me the lorazepam had just addiction as side effect
glad u are doing better but i don't agree with you vlogging and driving, u need a phone holder. Have you tried a float tank
i like your sun glasses :)
how long to you have to space out alcohol and benzos so they dont interact?
Benzos like klonopin have a half life of up to 72 hrs others are shorter so yes it all depends which one you take and how fast your metabolism is
+DreZGiant valium and metabolism is slow...
Move to skullcap a natrual benzo.
Have u tried smoking weed?
Weed makes anxiety worse. Do not ever recommend weed for someone with high anxiety and denationalization.
+Wolvez Weed only makes anxiety worse if you go out Sitting at home and smoking is very comforting and helps sleep without the need for prescription drugs
CBD oil.....
Mama Bx3
I got my depersonalization and anxiety from smoking weed at home... check ur facts
I've been on klonopin for 4 years and before that xanax for 5 years. I've tried smoking weed and my anxiety skyrocketed every single time.
I did go the LV and bought gummies and taking half of one got rid of my anxiety, so I stupidly took a full one and I couldn't walk, everything was spinning. Igetting the right strain from a person who knows what they are doing is really important. I'm just now in my second cycle of tapering and I'm terrified I'll spiral and become suicidal because of the horrible withdrawal symptoms
i'm confused: did you miss the feel that alcohol brings? or, did you miss the company of people who socialize in bars?
Either way, benzos or alcohol fix that.
Sober means nothing. Dependent on nothing but yourself.
Really appreciated your honesty throughout your life chapters, I'm trying to listen to what you're saying but keep coming back to "damn he can muli-task."
you grown, so you do what you want, however if driving, chatting, making a video is even a little bit distracting, you are putting other people's lives at risk. I'm starting to feel guilty for even watching your driving vids, like calling someone to shoottheshit and you know they're driving. You seem really sharp and focused, however we keep telling you about this because we care. Even the dude driving behind you tried to tell you. You must be a Taurus cause ya stubborn as hell. noknow stop being selfish and drop the phone, get a dash cam at the very very least. I'll send you one all the way from United Kingdom✈ mate.
You have no idea what your doing.The lower you get the harder the taper is.Took me 4 years off a low dose of valium
Don't take fenabut will you lol
shouldn't be driving on that shit,