In the words of Dr. Ashton- "The grave mistake you make, in all your innocence, is to suppress your anxiety with pills, because that stops you learning any other ways to stop your anxiety from freezing you. You would be much better off working with cognitive-behavioral techniques, a way of retraining one's thoughts. People on benzos lock into the anxiety trap as tightly as an acorn in fresh cement." Don’t up dose or reinstate unless it is to save your life. "A process called “kindling” can take place once you have been exposed to a benzodiazepine. No one knows exactly what takes place in the brain to cause this phenomenon. However, we know that it exists. If you go down in dose then go up, getting back down can be even harder the second time. The brain has been “kindled.”
Marla Robinson Kindling of the brain happens from multiple cold turkeys not from up dosing. It is the reduction that is harmful not the increase of benzodiazipines. Also he isn't being up dosed for withdrawal symptoms and the manual does actually state that if someone has come down too quickly they should be reinstated anyway. These scare stories make people's anxieties worse don't do that.
I've suffered from anxiety since 1995 . From 1995 -2010 I never took any benzos. I dealt with it and coped and suffered with my on and off anxieties . Finally in 2011 I couldn't do it anymore I needed something to help me relax . It's done good things for me but it does come with a price just like anything else . I believe if you're cognizant of what you're taking and you're responsible than you can manage your doses . People with severe anxiety can't just meditate . I've tried it , it's B.S. as far as I'm concerned . Anxiety is a sickness and anyone with real bad anxiety will attest to that . So I say one day at a time and when you need it take it but don't just take because that's how your dr ordered it . Benzos become addicting when you rely on it to get you through every adverse situation . Let it be a last resort but know it's there if you really really need it .
Marla Robinson I agree. I checked in to rehab to get off klonopin. I was addicted to it for over 10 years. I feel so much better finding other ways to deal with my anxiety then to take pills for it. Sadly doctors are all to happy to hand these pills out. It only leads to harder drugs later on.
My son has been dealing with the after math of getting off Ativan, prescribed by his psychiatrist. It has recked havoc with his mind and his hormones. He is just starting to turn around after 1yr 3 months post jump. What a horrible drug. It has taken away years of his life.
I too am going through a very similar experience. I have dealt with depression and anxiety on and off since my teens (37 now). I was on 1mg of clonazepam per day for about a year. I was doing fine until I got down to 625mg. Gradually I noticed my anxiety, panic, depression, and symptom ocd return. It has been hell for the past few months. Even though I have temporarily re upped my dose, it's as if I have regressed to an earlier depressed state. The worst part is complete lack of interest and the obsessive negative thoughts. Tomorrow I start an intensive outpatient therapy program. I am nervous, to say the least. Anything it takes to be me again is worth it. I just wanted to let you know that your videos have made a huge difference for me in coping with outcome. As horrible as it is to go through these things, it's so refreshing to know that you are not alone. Your openness to your situation have sparked a glimmer of hope within me. Sometimes that's all we need to reignite the fire within us. I hope you push through this as you have other situations. I admire your strength. Thank you for making people like me feel not so alone in these situations.
Obsessing is part of withdrawal. If you had this previously, withdrawal just intensifies it. Honestly, I feel like you need to join some of the Facebook benzo groups so you can see this from others or go read on benzo buddies forum. Uprising is not good advice. I don't give a shit if a doctor told you that because doctors don't know shit about wd. You can see that in the groups too. This is all normal. You'll feel better when you're off and have some time behind you. I'm 9 1/2 months off now and lowest anxiety levels of my entire life!
hope you start feeling better soon Noah! the cycles come and go, you're making progress everyday. love your videos and insight. mindfulness has helped me so much with my anxiety and mood changes. Also exercise and healthier eating...but everyone knows that and it's really hard to stay consistent with. Anyway always rooting for you, find peace however you can xo
Klonopin has given me the worst depression I have ever thought possible, it steals your soul even at .5mg a day as prescribed. I am getting off of it now and its hell.
You and I share so much in common. You have no idea. It's almost painful to watch, it's like looking into a mirror. My story with Klonopin is quite horrendous and long, and I'm only 22. Thank you so much for your channel. I'm so thankful for your channel and to know I'm not alone. You're a very admirable human being. I'm from 2.5mg daily to now 1.75mg and event though it gets more difficult, I know I'll survive. If I could have survived cold turkey at age 17, from a high dose. I can survive this taper.
I’m tapering off klonopin right now and it’s truly awful. You’ve given me hope that it can be done and I know now that my withdrawal symptoms are very real and not just me. I’m leaving this many months after you posted but I hope you are doing fantastic!
I understand how your feeling. This drug has been a foot on the brakes and when we start to taper off, it is like slamming on the gas pedal (our nervous system feeling like its exploding!) I'm only 3 weeks into my taper. My story is like yours from the beginning; Take maybe every 3 days on average for years and years. Its constantly in my blood due to it's long half life. Right now it's the opposite of yesterday's nervous energy, I cannot for the life of me get off the couch. It feels like my brain is melting into this haze. This withdrawal stuff is as real as anything. I hope you'll be okay and definitely listen to your instincts. This shit is hell to get off of!!! ♡
Hi there, hope you are well. You mentioned your brain melting. Did you feel due benzo or tapering that your brain doesn't function normally and can't understand a simple thing and become overwhelmed of any normal things and can't understand that people can do normal things and live their lives normally? I call it brain lock and suffer it all day. This hell started 2021 when my dog had to put to sleep at the age of 16 and I had terrible panic attacks multiple times a day weeks after weeks and doctor prescriped a big amount of oxazepam and doctor didn't warn me. I tapered it to 15 mg, it was year ago and I was in bad withdrawl symptoms of oxazepam and another doctor did crossover to diazepam 10 mg and my symptons reliefed. Brain lock went away. I was so happy because I had suffered so much and got to sleep and have normal mornings in peace for the first time after my dog had to put to sleep (Now I wake up in hell and death) and could see my partner and mom and other people and exercise and have a good feeling. I was bedridden when I was on oxazepam. Docror told me to taper 2 mg per week and I didn't know it is quite quick. Few weeks went well but at 6 mg, insomnia, puking, depression, diarrhea, brain lock, panic attacks. They stopped there but it didn't help. Doctor rised diazepam to 12 mg and I tapered it 1 mg per week and at 5 mg I went to hospital and they tapered me to zero straight and I had terrible panic attacks and withdrawl symptoms and rude doctor said I couldn't have any withdrawl symptoms after month and I got to home very sick. Nobody told me that I'm in bad withdrawl symptoms and my brain is just starting to heal and if I can't go to store and get food if my partner or other people could bring me food. I was totally messed up physically and mentally and couldn't function with brain lock properly. Doctor prescriped me klonopin to get me relief for a while and then taper but it didn't help. If I go to the store to get food I feel depersonalization and derealisation and disconnected from people and enviroment and my loved ones. If I try to walk and run brainlock is ruing it and I feel like my brain just shuts down. I don't understand people talking normal things. And I'm normally very active social person confident person and now i'm mostly isolated a lot because I tell my hell all the time to my loved ones and feel like I'm in a different reality from other people. After six months of klonopin and suffering I said to my doctor that I think I suffer withdrawl even don't taper and want to taper with Ashton manual and she was willing to read it and we started month ago. I have dropped klonopin from 2,5 mg to 0,75 mg and added diazepam like Ashton manual says. Tomorrow we will stop klonopin and add diazepam and I have 45 mg of diazepam. I have dropped klonopin from almost 60 mg amount of diazepam in month. I'm so exhausted because this hae been going so long and I didn't know that klonopin rised the amount of diazepam so much. I'm back to squere one when I was in summer 2021. I have year tapering ahead and have no power left but I want this drug off of me and have my good life back and brain lock away. Wish I would have year ago known that the taper (when I was wit functional brain with diazepam when it first time "kicked") should be done slower, I'm quite sure I would have been off and healing. My life and days are not worth living with brain like this (I even fear to take trash out and have never been like this) and if I heal I have a good life, have always been grateful to God from many things and happy every day of little things, partner, mom, brothers and their families and many friends and beautiful home. Thank you if you can answer if you had any problems with brain function problems and keeping up with things and life. I have heard few people saying that they have brain lock too. Wish you all the best.
Try to stop obsessing over the dosage . It's making you think too much about it . Take the meds as needed . You don't have to stick to a specific regimen. Take one day at a time and if you really need it then it's there . That being said , the dose you're on is extremely low especially for a dude that's between 180-200 lbs and that's a good thing .
bignoknow there's no such thing as a "low dose" of a benzo. Going up in dose is horrible advice. Playing with your doses will further screw up your nervous system even more. You've seen my videos Noah. I'm speaking from first hand experience here. Be careful who you are taking advice from. Better leave that to people who have come off and been through withdrawal. Just sayin
some ppl have uncurable anxiety and do need a low dose anxiety drug all the people that abuse benzos alot make it hard to realize but their not bad pills. they work great if u need them.
Hey brotha, the phases you are going through.. think it might be related to what you ate during that time? Example, gluten from what i understand could be screwing with your gut, which is linked to your brain...i noticed when I ate pizza the next day very anxious... thoughts?
Now. Doctors don't give it anymore. 2021. Coming off of it was hard. A lot of us share emergency room trip experience. I do feel that some people do need benzo or some kind of fast acting anxiety meds to cope. You don't know how bad a panic attack is until you have one.
Unfortunately they still do prescribe it (2033). I’m tapering and it’s horrid. Headache, blurry vision, diarrhea, pain, sweats, panic, fatigue, dizziness and lack of interest in anything.
Do you think your increase in anxiety and depression is a result of getting off the klonopin, or your default state right now that was made better by the K?
Johnna L Like tyrosine or tryptophan? 24 hour saliva is very useful. I also like pairing it with at least a morning ACTH, DHEA-S, and cortisol blood pull to see how the adrenals are responding to ACTH. Since ACTH is a good rough reflection of CRH which stimulates it (unless you have secondary adrenal insufficiency, where ACTH is disproportionately low compared to CRH), and CRH is in positive feedback with norepinephrine (the primary neurotransmitter for stress), low cortisol relative to high ACTH can be corrected by low dose hydrocortisone, which not only brings down ACTH to a reasonable level, but also influences CRH and therefore norepinephrine, lowering anxiety. And guess what? High CRH is associated with depression. Where am I, again?
I’m prescribed klonopin, I take it often, and it is very scary to think about it. The drug doesn’t get me high, it simply “fixes” my anxiety. I often worry about being addicted, but I don’t even know if I am, because I haven’t gone too many days a row without it. But, could be overthinking again... lol
How have you done? I'm on 0.25mg I'm tapering off K and the depression and suicidal thoughts are insane it keeps coming back in waves. I feel like if I go back up on the meds its going to make things worse.
The big picture is, you are progressing, and that is what counts :) keep looking after yourself noah. you always seen to upload at the right time for me.
Sweet mother of god... I just realised Klonopin is Clonazepam, which I was taking 1-2mg a day. I cold turkeyed that, which turned out to be disastrous. Months of hell. You're making progress. That's what counts. All the best man.
I have anxiety of sleeping.....before I took a month off work I would go to sleep like around 3 am in the morning now that I started work I would go in at 4 in the morning so what happen is that my nigh sleep shifted and Messed up my sleep routine and had 3 days with no sleep and now I'm anxious to sleep cause I'm constantly thinking that I won't ever sleep again I sleep now but I wake up a lot in the middle of the night or sometimes i struggle to fall asleep.. have u gone threw this or do you know what can I do to cope with my anxiety or fear of sleeping well
You are doing the cha cha...😄 and sometimes you need a little help to get through the hard parts... Do what you think is right for you. You seem to have an understanding and supportive dr. on your side. If you feel you need a little help medicinally to get through this rough path... you can always continue to move forward from there. xox
Kim Larocque I appreciate that your comment says to do what's right for him , and didn't focus on Medicine judgement. So many judge medication and put fear into those who might genuinely receive help from the proper medicine
Taryn Nieves I really dislike when people judge my decisions when it comes to my mental health. I have a team of phychs and a dr working with me to get better. We make decisions together.. and I have the last word. 😆😃
when I get bad anxiety it's from something that has been a catalyst of Inflammation in the brain, juices of kale and spinach and it takes the anxiety and brain burning away.
I take Buspar 15mg three or four times a day. I'm feeling better on my 6th week of TRT, but find myself a little more emotional lately. Did you have that too? I commend you on your strength and commitment to get well and to document it all. It does help a lot of us to follow the progress.Sometimes I feel the need to share but all my friends have left me since I became depressed and anxious. Life goes on no matter what.
I tapered down from being on 1mg of Klonopin a day for 4 months straight down to 0.25mg over several months. Then jumped off of it. The jump was pretty easy for the first week and a half but then i decided to mess with alcohol and ended up having a panic attack and becoming Depersonalized again. Which i haven't had to deal with in years. Im not sure if i should reinstate or continue to suffer until it hopefully ends. I had to jump at 0.25mg because my doctor refused to prescribe me a weaker dose than 1mg tablets and it becomes really hard to split them accurately when you get to small doses. She also completely refused a switch to Valium.
So I have been hiding under my bed for a few days (literally), and I just saw this. What did you decide to do? I would have chosen the meds because my suicidal thoughts scare me so much. I am afraid I'll cross the line between thinking and doing, so I would medicate and try to tape off again later.
I Never hear any success stories of people who take benzodiazepines other than from people who occasionally have short episodes of situational anxiety. I have never had luck with meds. I would like to believe there is something out there to make me better, but for now med free and continue to push forward. I feel like shit but I'm progressing in the right direction. You tried it and it failed. I wouldn't go backwards.
Benzodiazepines are depressants, highly addictive, and not effective longterm as the body adapts quickly to their presence initially creating tolerance which is quickly followed by dependency. They are a horrible choice for any chronic condition. Your intuition to use CBT and Mindfulness is absolutely the best course of action. Benzodiazepines are a slippery slope and horrible for your longterm mental health. On a side note, thanks for the great posts. I am day 4 of TRT. cheers
I completely understand how u feel. After a year on 50mg of Zoloft, I was able to come down to 25 mgs for 4 years. This year starting in January I've had a huge relapse in chronic anxiety which brought my OCD back pretty strong and then came the depression. I've battled it on my own since January but last week I couldn't go on anymore with deep suffering , and finally went to my doctor who put me back on 50mg. I'm feeling do disappointed in myself and I'm struggling to accept that I'm back where I started 6 years ago....I'm hoping and praying you get through this, figure out what's best for you and start to feel better soon #nevergiveup ❤️
@@Methylglyoxal Lol it's always the people with 0 mental illness or very minor who say stupid shit like here are some flaxseeds. Should help you out. Drink water. Should clean your anxiety up no problem lol.
So have you ever found a true "cause" for your lingering anxiety/depression? I don't mean the temporary benzo w/d stuff I mean like in general. (Ie the anxiety/depression which caused you to take the benzo in the first place) I know low T played a role but did you ever figure out the other components? Sorry if you answered this in a Q/A before lol maybe you did already.
I just dry cut .75 mg of lorazepam a day to .625 mg a day...a .125 mg cut, 3 doses spaced apart. I hold for 2 months except for a huge mistake taper in Oct. Thanks for the helpful info. The horror of benzo withdrawals is too real. I'm considering jumping when down to 25 mg without a liquid titration. It's sad when Dr.'s care more about making $ than the reality of how harmful long term benzo use is.
I would say that with benzo withdrawal, that quitting early and gently rather than trying to go back to a higher dose is your best bet. With drawl symptoms can last for months till almost 2 years for long-term users.
i wonder why klonopin helps my Depersonalization so much..i take .5 a day .25 in the morning and .25 at night. if i take it on an empty stomach it makes my panic dp/dr worse..but the only thing ive found to help medication wise
you know you can get off it. if you need to increase the dosage, you need to increase the dosage. you're only human. just be in control, if you say you're only going to increase by .5 or what ever, stick to that. you're the boss.
I'm diagnosed bipolar two too. And have been on klonopin what helped me cope with anxiety and depressive moods was calcium magnesium vit c. A good multivitamin and swimming not focussing on form just enjoying the fun of it the way it brought my mood up while I vigorously kicked in one place by the side of the pool or just floating and noticing the silky soothing movement on my skin. It is great for teaching breath control mindfulness.with a good friend. I drank green tea too.
Klonopin saved my life and many others......you are obsessing about taking it which is, in itself, part of having an anxiety disorder. The fact that it was so helpful to you in the beginning says a LOT... you are possibly making a huge mistake going off this med. as it seems to be the best med you have ever tried......
Klonopin has been wonderful and I still feel it can be a great tool to use as needed for me. I do plan on taking it still, but far less often. I appreciate your feedback. If there was better info out there to assure me of the long term use and safety I would feel more comfortable with the idea. All the best bro.
Just FYI, I am not only a sufferer, I am a psychotherapist.....I really want to help you and I really understand the science and chronicity of this disorder. I am NOT a troll or just trying to be bossy.....I think I can help you......
I think the persuasion is what is getting him off. Not to mention the horror stories he's read about withdrawals. I'm on klonopin daily and know many other people on the over 20+ years with no issues. I need it as well even though I cut but a little with no issues.
John Newmark you are wrong. That med really affects your brain in the long term. My mother took it for 10years almost died getting of it. Still dealing with symptoms. Sorry ..hard to accept but you are 100% definitely wrong
John Newmark You are SO misinformed. You are a psychotherapist, great. Not an M.D. I am an RN, however. You clearly have no clue about gaba receptor down-regulation. I truly thought I needed benzos these last 11 years. I'm grateful I saw the light a few months ago. I too was on the bandwagon of "oh, benzo's can be great long term!" I was very very mistaken. On benzos I was not truly living. I wasn't fully feeling or experiencing life. The benzos served it's purpose years ago, but I should have stopped years ago. Anxiety and depression are actually way way worse than before I even started the drug. I know you won't believe this. I am only one person. Albeit one with benzo experience AND extensive pathophysiology and neurochemistry knowledge. Unfortunately I learned all this AFTER starting benzos.
I have seizures from withdrawals so I cannot stop taking it due to the withdrawals. I take both Xanax 2mg and Klonopin 2mg...down to 2 pills of each at night, and I have been tapering down over the last 6 years. It is a long journey and I don't recommend anyone on this drug(s).
Hey Noah, I've been using CBD oil daily, its massively helped with my anxiety and obsessive thinking. Its not physically addictive and extremely natural. Hope that helps in some way man - your videos are a stream of constant support. Thank you for what you do!
I'm going in Tuesday to talk about a taper. He switched me to Xanax, it wasn't working, so I took extra, ran out before my appointment Tuesday and ended up in the hospital with dehydration this morning because I was throwing up for three days. Benzos can be a real bitch.
Ask your doc about oxcarbazepine. Tell him or her about this paper: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18821451 It brings the taper down to under 2 weeks with NO withdraw symptoms.
Danielle Pate yes yes. I went cold turkey and threw up for a week and it fucked up my throat. I could hardly talk and it was froggy. fuck being without my meds. if u run out gabapentin helps
Noah, my friend. I have not followed your videos recently but I have to ask you, why has the doctor prescribed you acute anxiety control over antidepressants? I thought the point of antidepressants was that they are far safer and more effective. I felt much like you do 18 months ago when I first found your channel, but life is finally returning to normal for me. It will happen for you too, and the best thing is that all of the old thoughts of anxiety and depression fade away.
dam....well i am 30 years old male i have been on klonopin for 8 years i take 3 mg a day i will die if i stop im dependent on the drug im going insane i lost weight i lost my life
are you in it for the long haul, or the quick gratification? personally I used benzo as a crutch, and I had a similar issue with my taper, though I had almost begun to abuse it before I admitted to having a problem. that being said, you are so conscious of yourself that I think you should take a couple steps backwards, if only until your mood stabilizes. From all of the videos that I've seen of yours I feel like you are in it for the long haul. there is absolutely nothing wrong with staying on it for just a little bit longer, especially if it means you can stay safe and continue on your way afterwards. as always, you have all of my respect.
stay strong brva your mentally strong this is just a test for u bro👊..i been watchin yr vids frm the early days and thy all relate so much and have even stopped me frm doing sum crazy shit god bless u
i have stayed away from the drug offered by doctors i was given a full months prescription 4 days after leaving the hospital due to a overdose, although i dont have the experience of these drugs it sounds like it is hindering your progression. Go with what feels right for you the controls i have given myself threw support and also Your own videos have made more of a difference then any pill could.
2.5mg!! I take 3 2mgs and 4 10mg diazzies on a good day, plus a 2mg snort of bupe. I work nights, ran about of benzos and just got on with it. It's 90% in head winding self up.
Only time I ever got this anxiety and panic issues was after starting celexa when I was about 17 weaned off it had a massive panic attack I did not know what it was ithoight I was dying and falling thru the floor and my heart was racing ever since then I haven't been the same I am now 32 with constant problems with anxiety
bignoknow I went from 1 MG a night to 0.5 MG at night. I take it to help me sleep. Now taking the jump to 0.5 to 0.25 tonight.. So we will see. The jump from 1 mg to 0.5 was pretty good. Nervous about this cut too. Hope my insomnia doesn't return with a vengeance and make my DP worse..
Wow you did ok 👍 i started getting withdrawal symptoms during tolerance (pvcs) started tapering and all hell broke loose 😳 86 days off now and i have no windows .. lots of mental stuff but to be honest if i didn't have all the wonky heart sht happening id be ok .. pots & pvcs are the worst ..
Since you been taking such a small dose I think you're in very good water and it's gonna be a little rough but it'll turn out to be fine with your small taper.
Take the pills and once you are feeling and thinking better work out a plan. As you said the net result is possitive, take a couple of steps back and start a plan to keep moving forward.
OK, so, I have a possible fix for you. Valerian root is the same as a benzo, BUT it's natural. If you feel more comfortable taking "what God put on this earth for us"
I'm on 3mg a day of K. I'm doing OK, but KNOW not to mix valerian root and K. If you have any questions look it up on internet. MOST drugs are plant derived, I stand by Organic as a rule of thumb. Know you're supplements before you take them and RESEARCH what is important to you. Mine are active Ingredients and dosages. There are less side effects from nature as opposed to pharm who are only out to make $$$ from our misinformation! ( sorry to sound paranoid haha)
I would follow the doctor's advice and get the symptoms back under control. I am going through the same process with Prednisone. I have sudden allergic reactions to unknown triggers. Its a miserable process and so incredibly slow. I tried to go cold turkey at 1.5 mgs per day. I became tacky cardiac the next day. I know that its annoying to increase your dosage but better safe than sorry.
Noah I enjoy watching your videos. I love following you ,you've been a big help to me with my confidence when it comes to my Low T- therapy. But the faith side of my life feels compelled to encourage you to seek God. The God of Noah, Peter ,John the son of Mary, "Jesus"! So many things you've shared I have dealt with in my own personal life that no pill or psychiatrist could help me with like Jesus has! since I've grown in my faith and following him and his teaching I found the happiness that filled the needs in my life that I didn't realize I had. God created us with needs that have to be met to be happy. When were depressed and down that's a sign that those needs we've been hardwired with are not being met! Just search and see if there's some need in your life that you haven't realize that you needed that isn't being met . When your needs are met it opens your eyes to a whole new world!
man I completely understand my psych doc put me on 2mg a day which is insane and took it for a year got off it had a seizure and my heart stopped and they did CPR on me and brought me back now I take sertralin 300mg a day and no benzos it was so hard man
I had a severe anxiety and addicted to lorazepam staying at home made me able to taper drugs hope you can distract yourself with activities you love for me drawing and online learning help a little bit.
.125 is equal to 2mg of valium, Yes mood crash and anxiety are part of w/d benzo w/d is the gift that keeps on giving for a while.All the symptoms you're having are still w/d, its the mental part. I hope you didn't go back on.
Follow your intuition Bro, you sound like you already have an idea of what you 'want' to do, at the end of the day do you trust your self? It's a hard question I know, but do you? If it was me I would try to keep coming of the benzo, but keep in my mind that the 'extra' anxiety is probably just temporary most likely due to removing the benzos in the first place, also you sound like you have great support around you (wife, family +friends) I'm sure they would all step in and say something if you were to go down hill rapidly. :) Hope my ramblings offer some help haha :D Olly.
No offense man, you don't need any pills. Those drugs are extremely addictive and not worth it. I battle SEVERE sadness due to something that happened in my life. Honesty, sometimes i wanna die, but i just get through the day with a little coffee and Kratom. Very low dose of Kratom, which barely helps anything. Sometimes in life, we just need a long run and some fruit lol. Those pills aint worth it and i know you can do this sober. If i can, you can. Good luck!
Noah, .25 a day is not dangerous. I have been on it for close to 30 years. I ain’t never getting off of it. My anxiety levels were super high where I couldn’t sit at a table with other people. Now I do feel normal - not high, not stoned - just normal. I don’t get this obsession you have going on. It is meant to help you. So what if you are on it for the rest of your life? You get to enjoy life for once. If it shortens my life span I don’t care because it enhances my life and allows me to live normally. So why are you freaking out about going off it? Worry about the alcohol if you want something to worry about. Clonazepam saved me from a terrible horrendous destructive life. I could not care less that my body is dependent on it. I am on 3mg daily!
benzos are gamble .. can turn your life into hell .. and can stop working one day .. i am one of them .. hope you doing ok .. but pls dont advice this to other ppl..
Don't know if it's just this video but you seem like you've had too much caffeine or something. Maybe it's a side effect of the obsessive thoughts. Either way you already know you CAN taper down so listen to the doc. Get thru this hard time and fight on! Best wishes for happy times ahead.
In the words of Dr. Ashton-
"The grave mistake you make, in all your innocence, is to suppress your anxiety with pills, because that stops you learning any other ways to stop your anxiety from freezing you. You would be much better off working with cognitive-behavioral techniques, a way of retraining one's thoughts. People on benzos lock into the anxiety trap as tightly as an acorn in fresh cement." Don’t up dose or reinstate unless it is to save your life.
"A process called “kindling” can take place once you have been exposed to a benzodiazepine. No one knows exactly what takes place in the brain to cause this phenomenon. However, we know that it exists. If you go down in dose then go up, getting back down can be even harder the second time. The brain has been “kindled.”
Marla Robinson Kindling of the brain happens from multiple cold turkeys not from up dosing. It is the reduction that is harmful not the increase of benzodiazipines. Also he isn't being up dosed for withdrawal symptoms and the manual does actually state that if someone has come down too quickly they should be reinstated anyway. These scare stories make people's anxieties worse don't do that.
I've suffered from anxiety since 1995 . From 1995 -2010 I never took any benzos. I dealt with it and coped and suffered with my on and off anxieties . Finally in 2011 I couldn't do it anymore I needed something to help me relax . It's done good things for me but it does come with a price just like anything else . I believe if you're cognizant of what you're taking and you're responsible than you can manage your doses . People with severe anxiety can't just meditate . I've tried it , it's B.S. as far as I'm concerned . Anxiety is a sickness and anyone with real bad anxiety will attest to that . So I say one day at a time and when you need it take it but don't just take because that's how your dr ordered it . Benzos become addicting when you rely on it to get you through every adverse situation . Let it be a last resort but know it's there if you really really need it .
My information on kindling was obtained from addictionblog.org. If that info is incorrect then they also must have a misunderstanding of kindling.
Marla Robinson I agree. I checked in to rehab to get off klonopin. I was addicted to it for over 10 years. I feel so much better finding other ways to deal with my anxiety then to take pills for it. Sadly doctors are all to happy to hand these pills out. It only leads to harder drugs later on.
My son has been dealing with the after math of getting off Ativan, prescribed by his psychiatrist. It has recked havoc with his mind and his hormones. He is just starting to turn around after 1yr 3 months post jump. What a horrible drug. It has taken away years of his life.
I too am going through a very similar experience. I have dealt with depression and anxiety on and off since my teens (37 now). I was on 1mg of clonazepam per day for about a year. I was doing fine until I got down to 625mg. Gradually I noticed my anxiety, panic, depression, and symptom ocd return. It has been hell for the past few months. Even though I have temporarily re upped my dose, it's as if I have regressed to an earlier depressed state. The worst part is complete lack of interest and the obsessive negative thoughts. Tomorrow I start an intensive outpatient therapy program. I am nervous, to say the least. Anything it takes to be me again is worth it. I just wanted to let you know that your videos have made a huge difference for me in coping with outcome. As horrible as it is to go through these things, it's so refreshing to know that you are not alone. Your openness to your situation have sparked a glimmer of hope within me. Sometimes that's all we need to reignite the fire within us. I hope you push through this as you have other situations. I admire your strength. Thank you for making people like me feel not so alone in these situations.
Obsessing is part of withdrawal. If you had this previously, withdrawal just intensifies it. Honestly, I feel like you need to join some of the Facebook benzo groups so you can see this from others or go read on benzo buddies forum.
Uprising is not good advice. I don't give a shit if a doctor told you that because doctors don't know shit about wd. You can see that in the groups too.
This is all normal. You'll feel better when you're off and have some time behind you.
I'm 9 1/2 months off now and lowest anxiety levels of my entire life!
Healingfrom Benzos Can you please answer some questions I have about getting off benzos?
hope you start feeling better soon Noah! the cycles come and go, you're making progress everyday. love your videos and insight. mindfulness has helped me so much with my anxiety and mood changes. Also exercise and healthier eating...but everyone knows that and it's really hard to stay consistent with. Anyway always rooting for you, find peace however you can xo
Klonopin has given me the worst depression I have ever thought possible, it steals your soul even at .5mg a day as prescribed. I am getting off of it now and its hell.
You and I share so much in common. You have no idea. It's almost painful to watch, it's like looking into a mirror.
My story with Klonopin is quite horrendous and long, and I'm only 22.
Thank you so much for your channel. I'm so thankful for your channel and to know I'm not alone. You're a very admirable human being.
I'm from 2.5mg daily to now 1.75mg and event though it gets more difficult, I know I'll survive. If I could have survived cold turkey at age 17, from a high dose. I can survive this taper.
PhotosynthesisLove I Hear you, I was 4 mgs for over 10 years till I check myself into rehab to get off this terrible drug.
Tim D how long did it take you to taper off in rehab?
I’m tapering off klonopin right now and it’s truly awful. You’ve given me hope that it can be done and I know now that my withdrawal symptoms are very real and not just me. I’m leaving this many months after you posted but I hope you are doing fantastic!
I understand how your feeling. This drug has been a foot on the brakes and when we start to taper off, it is like slamming on the gas pedal (our nervous system feeling like its exploding!) I'm only 3 weeks into my taper. My story is like yours from the beginning; Take maybe every 3 days on average for years and years. Its constantly in my blood due to it's long half life. Right now it's the opposite of yesterday's nervous energy, I cannot for the life of me get off the couch. It feels like my brain is melting into this haze. This withdrawal stuff is as real as anything. I hope you'll be okay and definitely listen to your instincts. This shit is hell to get off of!!! ♡
Hi there, hope you are well. You mentioned your brain melting.
Did you feel due benzo or tapering that your brain doesn't function normally and can't understand a simple thing and become overwhelmed of any normal things and can't understand that people can do normal things and live their lives normally? I call it brain lock and suffer it all day.
This hell started 2021 when my dog had to put to sleep at the age of 16 and I had terrible panic attacks multiple times a day weeks after weeks and doctor prescriped a big amount of oxazepam and doctor didn't warn me. I tapered it to 15 mg, it was year ago and I was in bad withdrawl symptoms of oxazepam and another doctor did crossover to diazepam 10 mg and my symptons reliefed. Brain lock went away. I was so happy because I had suffered so much and got to sleep and have normal mornings in peace for the first time after my dog had to put to sleep (Now I wake up in hell and death) and could see my partner and mom and other people and exercise and have a good feeling. I was bedridden when I was on oxazepam. Docror told me to taper 2 mg per week and I didn't know it is quite quick. Few weeks went well but at 6 mg, insomnia, puking, depression, diarrhea, brain lock, panic attacks. They stopped there but it didn't help. Doctor rised diazepam to 12 mg and I tapered it 1 mg per week and at 5 mg I went to hospital and they tapered me to zero straight and I had terrible panic attacks and withdrawl symptoms and rude doctor said I couldn't have any withdrawl symptoms after month and I got to home very sick. Nobody told me that I'm in bad withdrawl symptoms and my brain is just starting to heal and if I can't go to store and get food if my partner or other people could bring me food. I was totally messed up physically and mentally and couldn't function with brain lock properly.
Doctor prescriped me klonopin to get me relief for a while and then taper but it didn't help. If I go to the store to get food I feel depersonalization and derealisation and disconnected from people and enviroment and my loved ones. If I try to walk and run brainlock is ruing it and I feel like my brain just shuts down. I don't understand people talking normal things. And I'm normally very active social person confident person and now i'm mostly isolated a lot because I tell my hell all the time to my loved ones and feel like I'm in a different reality from other people.
After six months of klonopin and suffering I said to my doctor that I think I suffer withdrawl even don't taper and want to taper with Ashton manual and she was willing to read it and we started month ago. I have dropped klonopin from 2,5 mg to 0,75 mg and added diazepam like Ashton manual says. Tomorrow we will stop klonopin and add diazepam and I have 45 mg of diazepam. I have dropped klonopin from almost 60 mg amount of diazepam in month.
I'm so exhausted because this hae been going so long and I didn't know that klonopin rised the amount of diazepam so much. I'm back to squere one when I was in summer 2021. I have year tapering ahead and have no power left but I want this drug off of me and have my good life back and brain lock away. Wish I would have year ago known that the taper (when I was wit functional brain with diazepam when it first time "kicked") should be done slower, I'm quite sure I would have been off and healing.
My life and days are not worth living with brain like this (I even fear to take trash out and have never been like this) and if I heal I have a good life, have always been grateful to God from many things and happy every day of little things, partner, mom, brothers and their families and many friends and beautiful home.
Thank you if you can answer if you had any problems with brain function problems and keeping up with things and life. I have heard few people saying that they have brain lock too. Wish you all the best.
"Life doesn't ask permission" - ???? - Words to live by when things don't go according to plan. HAPPY SATURDAY UA-cam fam.
Try to stop obsessing over the dosage . It's making you think too much about it . Take the meds as needed . You don't have to stick to a specific regimen. Take one day at a time and if you really need it then it's there . That being said , the dose you're on is extremely low especially for a dude that's between 180-200 lbs and that's a good thing .
bignoknow. Stop overthinking this. Jusy do what feels right. If you need to go back up for a while, it's ok.
bignoknow there's no such thing as a "low dose" of a benzo.
Going up in dose is horrible advice.
Playing with your doses will further screw up your nervous system even more.
You've seen my videos Noah. I'm speaking from first hand experience here. Be careful who you are taking advice from. Better leave that to people who have come off and been through withdrawal.
Just sayin
Mentioned you in my latest video. Would love if you gave it a watch :D
some ppl have uncurable anxiety and do need a low dose anxiety drug all the people that abuse benzos alot make it hard to realize but their not bad pills. they work great if u need them.
Hey brotha, the phases you are going through.. think it might be related to what you ate during that time? Example, gluten from what i understand could be screwing with your gut, which is linked to your brain...i noticed when I ate pizza the next day very anxious... thoughts?
Mikemix
This is very true!
Now. Doctors don't give it anymore. 2021. Coming off of it was hard. A lot of us share emergency room trip experience. I do feel that some people do need benzo or some kind of fast acting anxiety meds to cope. You don't know how bad a panic attack is until you have one.
Unfortunately they still do prescribe it (2033). I’m tapering and it’s horrid. Headache, blurry vision, diarrhea, pain, sweats, panic, fatigue, dizziness and lack of interest in anything.
Do you think your increase in anxiety and depression is a result of getting off the klonopin, or your default state right now that was made better by the K?
That's the million dollar question my friend. Something to reflect on.
Have a 24 hour saliva cortisol test done. Very important - are you on any neurotransmitter supplements?
Johnna L Like tyrosine or tryptophan?
24 hour saliva is very useful. I also like pairing it with at least a morning ACTH, DHEA-S, and cortisol blood pull to see how the adrenals are responding to ACTH. Since ACTH is a good rough reflection of CRH which stimulates it (unless you have secondary adrenal insufficiency, where ACTH is disproportionately low compared to CRH), and CRH is in positive feedback with norepinephrine (the primary neurotransmitter for stress), low cortisol relative to high ACTH can be corrected by low dose hydrocortisone, which not only brings down ACTH to a reasonable level, but also influences CRH and therefore norepinephrine, lowering anxiety. And guess what? High CRH is associated with depression.
Where am I, again?
Your exactly right its because your anxiety filled mind told you it was the klonopin .such q short time to take and have all that going on .
Is there anyway to get a different medication in place?
I’m prescribed klonopin, I take it often, and it is very scary to think about it. The drug doesn’t get me high, it simply “fixes” my anxiety. I often worry about being addicted, but I don’t even know if I am, because I haven’t gone too many days a row without it. But, could be overthinking again... lol
How have you done? I'm on 0.25mg I'm tapering off K and the depression and suicidal thoughts are insane it keeps coming back in waves. I feel like if I go back up on the meds its going to make things worse.
The big picture is, you are progressing, and that is what counts :) keep looking after yourself noah. you always seen to upload at the right time for me.
Kuru T i appreciate your words.
I was wondering if the medication affected your muscle growth ?
Have you considered taking a b-complex to help with the low mood?
Love to you, Noah, you'll get through this
Thx Mel.
Sweet mother of god... I just realised Klonopin is Clonazepam, which I was taking 1-2mg a day. I cold turkeyed that, which turned out to be disastrous. Months of hell.
You're making progress. That's what counts. All the best man.
I have anxiety of sleeping.....before I took a month off work I would go to sleep like around 3 am in the morning now that I started work I would go in at 4 in the morning so what happen is that my nigh sleep shifted and Messed up my sleep routine and had 3 days with no sleep and now I'm anxious to sleep cause I'm constantly thinking that I won't ever sleep again I sleep now but I wake up a lot in the middle of the night or sometimes i struggle to fall asleep.. have u gone threw this or do you know what can I do to cope with my anxiety or fear of sleeping well
You are doing the cha cha...😄 and sometimes you need a little help to get through the hard parts... Do what you think is right for you. You seem to have an understanding and supportive dr. on your side. If you feel you need a little help medicinally to get through this rough path... you can always continue to move forward from there. xox
Kim Larocque I appreciate that your comment says to do what's right for him , and didn't focus on Medicine judgement. So many judge medication and put fear into those who might genuinely receive help from the proper medicine
Taryn Nieves I really dislike when people judge my decisions when it comes to my mental health. I have a team of phychs and a dr working with me to get better. We make decisions together.. and I have the last word. 😆😃
what natural remedies are you using?
when I get bad anxiety it's from something that has been a catalyst of Inflammation in the brain, juices of kale and spinach and it takes the anxiety and brain burning away.
I take Buspar 15mg three or four times a day. I'm feeling better on my 6th week of TRT, but find myself a little more emotional lately. Did you have that too? I commend you on your strength and commitment to get well and to document it all. It does help a lot of us to follow the progress.Sometimes I feel the need to share but all my friends have left me since I became depressed and anxious. Life goes on no matter what.
Sometimes we have to take a step back to move forward
I tapered down from being on 1mg of Klonopin a day for 4 months straight down to 0.25mg over several months. Then jumped off of it. The jump was pretty easy for the first week and a half but then i decided to mess with alcohol and ended up having a panic attack and becoming Depersonalized again. Which i haven't had to deal with in years. Im not sure if i should reinstate or continue to suffer until it hopefully ends. I had to jump at 0.25mg because my doctor refused to prescribe me a weaker dose than 1mg tablets and it becomes really hard to split them accurately when you get to small doses. She also completely refused a switch to Valium.
Tenken89 damn :(
I hope you feel better. Soon. Keep your head up. You are strong and healthy and not at all crazy.
So I have been hiding under my bed for a few days (literally), and I just saw this. What did you decide to do? I would have chosen the meds because my suicidal thoughts scare me so much. I am afraid I'll cross the line between thinking and doing, so I would medicate and try to tape off again later.
Klonopin sucks! Im at 1.0 mg ang going to try 0.5 and talking to talk to my dr too. Ive been on klonopin for over 5 years
I Never hear any success stories of people who take benzodiazepines other than from people who occasionally have short episodes of situational anxiety. I have never had luck with meds. I would like to believe there is something out there to make me better, but for now med free and continue to push forward. I feel like shit but I'm progressing in the right direction. You tried it and it failed. I wouldn't go backwards.
Benzodiazepines are depressants, highly addictive, and not effective longterm as the body adapts quickly to their presence initially creating tolerance which is quickly followed by dependency. They are a horrible choice for any chronic condition. Your intuition to use CBT and Mindfulness is absolutely the best course of action. Benzodiazepines are a slippery slope and horrible for your longterm mental health.
On a side note, thanks for the great posts. I am day 4 of TRT. cheers
I completely understand how u feel. After a year on 50mg of Zoloft, I was able to come down to 25 mgs for 4 years. This year starting in January I've had a huge relapse in chronic anxiety which brought my OCD back pretty strong and then came the depression. I've battled it on my own since January but last week I couldn't go on anymore with deep suffering , and finally went to my doctor who put me back on 50mg. I'm feeling do disappointed in myself and I'm struggling to accept that I'm back where I started 6 years ago....I'm hoping and praying you get through this, figure out what's best for you and start to feel better soon #nevergiveup ❤️
have you tried any herbal teas?
lol
@@Methylglyoxal Lol it's always the people with 0 mental illness or very minor who say stupid shit like here are some flaxseeds. Should help you out. Drink water. Should clean your anxiety up no problem lol.
Continue to taper down do not up it. I been where you at. I know its uncomfortable, but best to get off of it asap.
So have you ever found a true "cause" for your lingering anxiety/depression? I don't mean the temporary benzo w/d stuff I mean like in general. (Ie the anxiety/depression which caused you to take the benzo in the first place)
I know low T played a role but did you ever figure out the other components? Sorry if you answered this in a Q/A before lol maybe you did already.
Noah I want to ask were you on medication when you made your body transformation video.
How long did it take you to taper off completely?
Do you ever feel like your legs get cold and they drive you nuts ?
I just dry cut .75 mg of lorazepam a day to .625 mg a day...a .125 mg cut, 3 doses spaced apart. I hold for 2 months except for a huge mistake taper in Oct. Thanks for the helpful info. The horror of benzo withdrawals is too real. I'm considering jumping when down to 25 mg without a liquid titration. It's sad when Dr.'s care more about making $ than the reality of how harmful long term benzo use is.
I would say that with benzo withdrawal, that quitting early and gently rather than trying to go back to a higher dose is your best bet. With drawl symptoms can last for months till almost 2 years for long-term users.
Red Light THerapy. ...have you tried it?
no alcohol please.
🆗💪👤☝💙
I take 2mg twice a day. Before I was 2 mg 3 times a day. And I still feel anxiety. I tried Ativan also Xanax.
i wonder why klonopin helps my Depersonalization so much..i take .5 a day .25 in the morning and .25 at night. if i take it on an empty stomach it makes my panic dp/dr worse..but the only thing ive found to help medication wise
I would listen to my doctor, but have you guys discussed Oxazepam as an alternative? Much shorter half-life and such
you know you can get off it. if you need to increase the dosage, you need to increase the dosage. you're only human. just be in control, if you say you're only going to increase by .5 or what ever, stick to that. you're the boss.
I'm diagnosed bipolar two too. And have been on klonopin what helped me cope with anxiety and depressive moods was calcium magnesium vit c. A good multivitamin and swimming not focussing on form just enjoying the fun of it the way it brought my mood up while I vigorously kicked in one place by the side of the pool or just floating and noticing the silky soothing movement on my skin. It is great for teaching breath control mindfulness.with a good friend. I drank green tea too.
Klonopin saved my life and many others......you are obsessing about taking it which is, in itself, part of having an anxiety disorder. The fact that it was so helpful to you in the beginning says a LOT... you are possibly making a huge mistake going off this med. as it seems to be the best med you have ever tried......
Klonopin has been wonderful and I still feel it can be a great tool to use as needed for me. I do plan on taking it still, but far less often. I appreciate your feedback. If there was better info out there to assure me of the long term use and safety I would feel more comfortable with the idea. All the best bro.
Just FYI, I am not only a sufferer, I am a psychotherapist.....I really want to help you and I really understand the science and chronicity of this disorder. I am NOT a troll or just trying to be bossy.....I think I can help you......
I think the persuasion is what is getting him off. Not to mention the horror stories he's read about withdrawals. I'm on klonopin daily and know many other people on the over 20+ years with no issues. I need it as well even though I cut but a little with no issues.
John Newmark you are wrong. That med really affects your brain in the long term. My mother took it for 10years almost died getting of it. Still dealing with symptoms. Sorry ..hard to accept but you are 100% definitely wrong
John Newmark You are SO misinformed. You are a psychotherapist, great. Not an M.D. I am an RN, however. You clearly have no clue about gaba receptor down-regulation. I truly thought I needed benzos these last 11 years. I'm grateful I saw the light a few months ago. I too was on the bandwagon of "oh, benzo's can be great long term!" I was very very mistaken.
On benzos I was not truly living. I wasn't fully feeling or experiencing life. The benzos served it's purpose years ago, but I should have stopped years ago. Anxiety and depression are actually way way worse than before I even started the drug.
I know you won't believe this. I am only one person. Albeit one with benzo experience AND extensive pathophysiology and neurochemistry knowledge. Unfortunately I learned all this AFTER starting benzos.
I have seizures from withdrawals so I cannot stop taking it due to the withdrawals. I take both Xanax 2mg and Klonopin 2mg...down to 2 pills of each at night, and I have been tapering down over the last 6 years. It is a long journey and I don't recommend anyone on this drug(s).
Hey Noah, I've been using CBD oil daily, its massively helped with my anxiety and obsessive thinking. Its not physically addictive and extremely natural. Hope that helps in some way man - your videos are a stream of constant support. Thank you for what you do!
lou2bozzy do you mean cbd oil?
Hahaha, I do indeed !! Thank for for the correction man - very very different from CBA oil, haha !
Where do you buy it?
I buy mine from a company called the CBD brothers. I believe it can be found on amazon also.
I've been on clonazepam for years and am obviously addicted.
Im in a diazepam taper I feel your pain Bro! Thanks for the vid
How you feel now
I'm going in Tuesday to talk about a taper. He switched me to Xanax, it wasn't working, so I took extra, ran out before my appointment Tuesday and ended up in the hospital with dehydration this morning because I was throwing up for three days. Benzos can be a real bitch.
Danielle Pate I don't know what kind of doctor would switch you to xanax to taper. Valium is by far the best benzo for tapering.
That's not really what happened. Long story.
Ask your doc about oxcarbazepine. Tell him or her about this paper: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18821451
It brings the taper down to under 2 weeks with NO withdraw symptoms.
Danielle Pate yes yes. I went cold turkey and threw up for a week and it fucked up my throat. I could hardly talk and it was froggy. fuck being without my meds. if u run out gabapentin helps
Afanasi Bushmanov true true true. longest half life
Noah, my friend. I have not followed your videos recently but I have to ask you, why has the doctor prescribed you acute anxiety control over antidepressants? I thought the point of antidepressants was that they are far safer and more effective. I felt much like you do 18 months ago when I first found your channel, but life is finally returning to normal for me. It will happen for you too, and the best thing is that all of the old thoughts of anxiety and depression fade away.
Klonopin ruined my life.
PhotosynthesisLove oh cmon
It ruined mine also.
its a good drug if used right .💤
It ruined mine to
Dee no, it really isn’t
tried to get some shit done that im scared of. the next morning was aweful. never again.
dam....well i am 30 years old male i have been on klonopin for 8 years i take 3 mg a day i will die if i stop im dependent on the drug im going insane i lost weight i lost my life
are you in it for the long haul, or the quick gratification? personally I used benzo as a crutch, and I had a similar issue with my taper, though I had almost begun to abuse it before I admitted to having a problem. that being said, you are so conscious of yourself that I think you should take a couple steps backwards, if only until your mood stabilizes. From all of the videos that I've seen of yours I feel like you are in it for the long haul. there is absolutely nothing wrong with staying on it for just a little bit longer, especially if it means you can stay safe and continue on your way afterwards. as always, you have all of my respect.
I bet Valium would be better for a taper, I know this is four years old but for others out there, that’s what I have read.
I'm with ya bud!! Stick it out. I felt like a failure but it was my blood pressure.
My gf used to destroy hersdelf with one entire bottle of Minias/day. It's been the worse period of my life and she still scares me whenever she calls.
stay strong brva your mentally strong this is just a test for u bro👊..i been watchin yr vids frm the early days and thy all relate so much and have even stopped me frm doing sum crazy shit god bless u
i have stayed away from the drug offered by doctors i was given a full months prescription 4 days after leaving the hospital due to a overdose, although i dont have the experience of these drugs it sounds like it is hindering your progression. Go with what feels right for you the controls i have given myself threw support and also Your own videos have made more of a difference then any pill could.
:)
2.5mg!! I take 3 2mgs and 4 10mg diazzies on a good day, plus a 2mg snort of bupe. I work nights, ran about of benzos and just got on with it. It's 90% in head winding self up.
I tapered off by using very low doses of Seroquel. Maybe give that a go? 25mg or 50mg when shit hits the fan.
Only time I ever got this anxiety and panic issues was after starting celexa when I was about 17 weaned off it had a massive panic attack I did not know what it was ithoight I was dying and falling thru the floor and my heart was racing ever since then I haven't been the same I am now 32 with constant problems with anxiety
Damn....that sucks.
Yeah it does lol
Hang on Chris. Wish you all the best!
Currently trying to taper off ativan. Feel ur pain bro.
Swish how's it going?
bignoknow
I went from 1 MG a night to 0.5 MG at night. I take it to help me sleep. Now taking the jump to 0.5 to 0.25 tonight.. So we will see. The jump from 1 mg to 0.5 was pretty good. Nervous about this cut too. Hope my insomnia doesn't return with a vengeance and make my DP worse..
Keep me posted man and stay strong
Wow you did ok 👍 i started getting withdrawal symptoms during tolerance (pvcs) started tapering and all hell broke loose 😳 86 days off now and i have no windows .. lots of mental stuff but to be honest if i didn't have all the wonky heart sht happening id be ok .. pots & pvcs are the worst ..
have u ever tried seeing a counselor?
Harley Dewalt absolutely
bignoknow I found tht going to a counselor myself has helped with some of my ocd problems..it's nice to the talk to someone
Have you tried CBD oil yet?
Since you been taking such a small dose I think you're in very good water and it's gonna be a little rough but it'll turn out to be fine with your small taper.
I have a firm belief to always go with your gut!
I think you have anxiety after you change testosteron protocol (120mg Weekly)
Have benzos ever been a good idea? For anyone?
Ranger5004 Nope!
Ranger5004 yes... very much so.
Simon Smith Ok, who exactly ? (Except from the pharmaceutical companies...)
Absoluteky
Morten Kristoffersen .. Me... They saved my life.
Have you ever tried Propranalol (beta blocker).. It does really well for physical anxiety which is pretty amazing
oh man all the best. It does seem take some bravery to experiment with these meds.
for real. Thx.
Take the pills and once you are feeling and thinking better work out a plan.
As you said the net result is possitive, take a couple of steps back and start a plan to keep moving forward.
OK, so, I have a possible fix for you. Valerian root is the same as a benzo, BUT it's natural. If you feel more comfortable taking "what God put on this earth for us"
I'm on 3mg a day of K. I'm doing OK, but KNOW not to mix valerian root and K. If you have any questions look it up on internet. MOST drugs are plant derived, I stand by Organic as a rule of thumb. Know you're supplements before you take them and RESEARCH what is important to you. Mine are active Ingredients and dosages. There are less side effects from nature as opposed to pharm who are only out to make $$$ from our misinformation! ( sorry to sound paranoid haha)
They're not meant to take for a long time doctors give them to you
hi you are a great speaker and I love your videos brother.you are not alone we all are in the same boat.love from india
Thx Vinni. Sending love back from Portland, OR USA
I would follow the doctor's advice and get the symptoms back under control. I am going through the same process with Prednisone. I have sudden allergic reactions to unknown triggers. Its a miserable process and so incredibly slow. I tried to go cold turkey at 1.5 mgs per day. I became tacky cardiac the next day. I know that its annoying to increase your dosage but better safe than sorry.
Noah I enjoy watching your videos. I love following you ,you've been a big help to me with my confidence when it comes to my Low T- therapy. But the faith side of my life feels compelled to encourage you to seek God. The God of Noah, Peter ,John the son of Mary, "Jesus"! So many things you've shared I have dealt with in my own personal life that no pill or psychiatrist could help me with like Jesus has! since I've grown in my faith and following him and his teaching I found the happiness that filled the needs in my life that I didn't realize I had. God created us with needs that have to be met to be happy. When were depressed and down that's a sign that those needs we've been hardwired with are not being met! Just search and see if there's some need in your life that you haven't realize that you needed that isn't being met . When your needs are met it opens your eyes to a whole new world!
man I completely understand my psych doc put me on 2mg a day which is insane and took it for a year got off it had a seizure and my heart stopped and they did CPR on me and brought me back now I take sertralin 300mg a day and no benzos it was so hard man
I had a severe anxiety and addicted to lorazepam staying at home made me able to taper drugs hope you can distract yourself with activities you love for me drawing and online learning help a little bit.
I normally take 4mg of clonazepam three times a day just to feel like a normal human being. I don't wanna be on benzos, but they work.
You take 12mg of clonazepam every day?
You CAN do it without. Not saying easy, but you CAN !!
Thanks Noah this is a really helpful video
I cut it cold turkey from 1.5-2.5 a day and went through hell. Drink lots of water. Wish you the best!
.125 is equal to 2mg of valium, Yes mood crash and anxiety are part of w/d benzo w/d is the gift that keeps on giving for a while.All the symptoms you're having are still w/d, its the mental part. I hope you didn't go back on.
Follow your intuition Bro, you sound like you already have an idea of what you 'want' to do, at the end of the day do you trust your self? It's a hard question I know, but do you? If it was me I would try to keep coming of the benzo, but keep in my mind that the 'extra' anxiety is probably just temporary most likely due to removing the benzos in the first place, also you sound like you have great support around you (wife, family +friends) I'm sure they would all step in and say something if you were to go down hill rapidly. :)
Hope my ramblings offer some help haha :D
Olly.
you live in the pnw, yes? seasonal affected disorder is highly prevalent.
True
hell, I might even go as far as saying that S.A.D. is a way of life for us here in the pnw.
SWITCH TO VALIUM. Much easier to taper and longer half life.
That's what I did but still hard to get off Xanax
I am on six mg a day. Been on it about twelve years.
No offense man, you don't need any pills. Those drugs are extremely addictive and not worth it. I battle SEVERE sadness due to something that happened in my life. Honesty, sometimes i wanna die, but i just get through the day with a little coffee and Kratom. Very low dose of Kratom, which barely helps anything. Sometimes in life, we just need a long run and some fruit lol. Those pills aint worth it and i know you can do this sober. If i can, you can. Good luck!
Noah, .25 a day is not dangerous. I have been on it for close to 30 years. I ain’t never getting off of it. My anxiety levels were super high where I couldn’t sit at a table with other people. Now I do feel normal - not high, not stoned - just normal. I don’t get this obsession you have going on. It is meant to help you. So what if you are on it for the rest of your life? You get to enjoy life for once. If it shortens my life span I don’t care because it enhances my life and allows me to live normally. So why are you freaking out about going off it? Worry about the alcohol if you want something to worry about. Clonazepam saved me from a terrible horrendous destructive life. I could not care less that my body is dependent on it. I am on 3mg daily!
benzos are gamble .. can turn your life into hell .. and can stop working one day .. i am one of them .. hope you doing ok .. but pls dont advice this to other ppl..
Don't know if it's just this video but you seem like you've had too much caffeine or something. Maybe it's a side effect of the obsessive thoughts. Either way you already know you CAN taper down so listen to the doc. Get thru this hard time and fight on! Best wishes for happy times ahead.
You take care out there bro peace and tranquility 😎
Thank you so much for sharing this.
BTW I don't mean that personally I'm. Just saying research research research my apologies for being crass
Oh no!! Gonna listen Noah... Kristen