I work for a company that helps people come off of medications. We have known for more than ten years that a Benzo withdrawal was comparable or even worse than a heroin withdrawal. If you quit cold turkey you may go into shock and cardiac arrest. One of the saddest client experiences was when a mother and her 8 year old came to us. His school counsellor mentioned that he was having problems with his attention and he seemed anxious in class. The boy was prescribed 3 different medications and two, TWO were benzos. Turns out that he wasn't sleeping well because he was being bullied by some older boys and he was fearful of recess and lunch because that's where they would corner him and that's all he could think about. This child had to go through the withdrawals that an adult should never have to experience, because some school counsellor thought that he needed drugs instead of looking for the root cause of the anxiety in the first place. What a world.
@@davidr6563 Maybe not for you. Every Body is different. And I have witnessed folks who should have gone through hell walk through quite well, and folks who should have had an easier time with other meds have a shit time getting through it. If you quit cold turkey you can go into shock and die, I've seen this in person.
Nigel- what’s the name of the company you work for? My uncle is addicted to benzos for over 3 yrs and he’s been desperately trying tontaper off for 3 yrs now. Thank you so much!
17 years on Klonopin. I went through "disability" and my life was stolen. I'm 3 years benzo free. All pharma free. All "disability" reversed. I exercise and I eat for my mind. I'm changing my life at 54. Hardest thing I've ever done. Hands down!! 😔
My dad was on Klonopin for 10-15 years he's been coming down step by step for the past year each time they would drop him down another step it would take about 2 weeks to feel the effects. He says its the worst thing he's been through hes 62. Worse than opiat withdrawal. He took his last dose of Klonopin about a week and a half ago and seems to be having the hardest time yet especially in the morning. How long did it take u to straighten out after your last dose?
@@RachelJ444 I was on benzodiazepines for roughly 20 years. I tapered off of them 5 years ago. It’s a long process to taper, but worth it. I started to feel much about 2 months after taking my last dose.
The psychological terror, the muscles spasms, the horrible depression, no sleep… Benzodiazepines are hell on earth during withdrawals During withdrawal, I had to go to ER. I had an Angelic experience during that time (during a dream) I’ve been off benzodiazepines for years and appreciate life
So you were visited by an angelic being during a dream? Do you think it was a real spiritual experience or do you think it was just in your head? Thats interesting
Thank you Dr. Peterson for being transparent and vulnerable about this difficulty recovery process. Hopefully more stories such as these will lead to more healing in the lives of others who are going through these same pains and struggles in isolation.
He wasn't transparent though, he only came clean because he dramatically collapsed in public from withdrawals: If he had it his way, he'd still be telling millions of young men about clean living and the evils of cannabis as he secretly abused benzos and telling them depression can be cured with eating nothing but beef and salt (lolwtf)
@@TheTranceCartel nice caricature you conjured up to confirm your priors there, if you'd done the tiniest bit of research, you'd know that Jordan has discussed being on antidepressants for years now-even before he became world famous
I was on Xanax and Clonazepam for 14 years. I was also addicted to oxycodone for 10 years. The benzos were hands down the worst to get off of. I've been off of opiates since June 22, 2018 and benzos since January 2017. While getting off of benzos I had multiple seizures and really thought I was going to die. When getting off of opiates I felt like I was going to die but knew I just had to ride it out. Thank you God for helping me through it all!
I'm a year off of 13 year dependency on xanax. I took it as prescribed which isn't how it was ment to be taken. It took me 7 years to get off. In the beginning I had no idea what I was up against. Neither did my doctors. I was told I was ultra sensitive and out of the norm. I had sooooo many debilitating withdrawal symptoms that at the time not one Dr. Put it together that what i was experiencing was extended withdrawal and an injured nervous system. Withdrawal effected every system in my body. I thought I had dome weird disease. I went to every specialist for answers and was laughed out of every Dr's office. Finally in 2020 I became aware of what I was fighting against. Literally the devil. I'm still healing, it will be life long. But I'm alive, I am one of the lucky ones. To anyone reading this going through this hell, you can do it, it gets better, you will heal.
Are you in connection with any support groups? They helped a lot. There are many on Facebook. Keep going even if it's one baby step at a time. Healing does happen it's just not as linear as most everything else.
A doctor rx'd Xanax 20 years ago for anxiety on my job. When I wanted her to rx'd more she refused and told me to do other things, like exercise, to deal with my anxiety and I never used it again. My point is that more doctors like her are needed. She saved my life by doing that and caring enough to educate me.
@@seanrounsley232 It wasn't 'luck' that the doctor was sensible enough to make the distinction between a *very* short term prescription and knowingly putting her patient on something addictive for the long-term. Ignorant comment. There is a world of difference between very short term use to get through a crisis situation and putting someone on something long-term and leaving them to spiral and decay into addiction and loss of control of their life.
I’m 55 months off benzodiazepines and still having disabling symptoms. I want to thank Dr. Peterson for telling his story and Joe for letting him. Hopefully someone will look into countering the effects as I only took the amount prescribed by my doctor (1mg Xanax XR)
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His story is bs and yours is too buddy, you’re not still having symptoms after 55 months.. man the lack of education on this subject is wild!! You may have some long term memory issues but the benzos aren’t effecting you anymore bud.
To those who don't know, he developed a physical addiction to the benzodiazepines that he was prescribed by his doctor for anxiety. It tragically happens to millions of people around the world all the time. Now cynical people with an axe to grind say he's a junkie because he's in recovery, but the fact that he's taking control of his situation is, in my opinion, a demonstration that he is following his own advice. A "clean room" is a process, not an event.
Genuine question really need help not doctor hasn't been there help real help. So a car mounted a pavement and broke 3 ribs fractured femur and bleed on brain from unconscious. Anyway I live alone, there's a list of severity of breaks hairline, compound avlusion, spiral there's was about ten but because of the loss of consciousness I'm having memory issues. Anyway, mine was the worst almost snapped through. Because this is a pseudonym I'll be honest. I was so frightened of moving in the night it snapping piercing my lung and me dying in my own blood because I have no partner. So I've been battering them for a month and valour. Weirdly for what are proposed to be muscle relaxants a weird side effect was the removal of my abject fear (crying, I've only ever cried when my dog died but I was genuinely so scared I couldn't control my emotion). My question is "how long does it take to form a proper dependency on them?" I've completely stopped now. So scared I hired an escort to stay over next day it was "this is like a holiday for me, I have my own room with projector etc and you want nothing but my company, I'll half the price I'm even gonna have a deep clean for you". I'm thinking great. Anyway, she was just looking what I had and where, I woke up went into her room with a coffee she's not their but around £4000 of assets are stolen. She robbed me. I'm so low I never wanna take them again but please advise me what I'm in for. Please. Genuine request? 🙏
@@davidr6563 I don't know what his treatment plan was, nor is it any of my business. Whatever he did, he decided it for himself with his doctor's advice over the course of two years. As for his withdraw symptoms, I can only take his word, but one only needs to look at him to see he's been through something awful. That said, what he has described is consistent with what many others who have gone through it describe.
@@davidr6563 Good for him. It's unfortunate that more people don't have that option, but I won't hold it against him for doing what he thought best and that he had the means to pursue. I'm interested; do you know what the experimental treatment consisted of?
Joe… I was on Benzos for years for my anxiety. When I stopped taking them cold turkey… I went through 8 months of withdrawals in a constant state of Depersonalization and wanting to die. And now I have permanent Tinnitus in both years. Meds are not the answer.
you have a heart of gold They are extremely addictive I’m going to re-attempt to get off so I was on Clonopin and then it’s up working so the doctor insisted that I go back on Xanax which is much worse so I will go back on Clonopin again when he arrives back in six weeks from vacation and then from there Valium in my hear Whenever I withdraw it from the medication I noticed that my skin was extremely singed like my nerves did you have the same way
I have permanent tinnitus, after going cold turkey, for only 3 days (1 year ago). I couldn't sleep. I will now (1 year later) try to taper this med over 6 months. Fingers crossed.
i started in 2010 and it took me 5 years coming on and off to finally stop taking them , the headaches are monumental, the feeling of not bein calm and relaxed its difficult to explain.
Dr. Peterson has been an enormous positive influence in my life, to the extent that I decided to pursue a degree in Psychology. 4 years later, here I am, now with a masters in Educational Psychology and currently working on a sports psychology doctorate.
So, benzodiazepines is an anti-anxiety drug? Is it possible that in 2017 when I gradually came down with CHF and hadn't slept in weeks because of huge anxiety that I might suffocate if I didn't stay propped up, and my nurse had mercy on me & gave me 1 tablet of something for anxiety that made me feel so wonderful I finally slept right through the night, and then, the next day, when I asked him what it was, so I'd know something that worked in case I ever experienced anxiety like that again, he refused to tell me what the medication was, even when I pleaded, just so I'd know what worked in that case. What do you think may have been the reason he refused to tell me the name of the medication? That it was perhaps something more addictive than benzodiazepine?
Knowing very little at all - about what really matters?! PHD, Masters, is all a-load- of-subscribing -'claptrap"?! Try this: thinking for yourself?! Common-sense?! You know...Savvy, intuition, not... One-dimensional-boring-academia?! Tosh! All of it.
@@valerieann8007 it could have been a benzo. Do you remember the shape and color? (Or the taste of the pill, even?) I highly doubt a nurse would have given you pain medication (opiate), and considering how prevalent benzos are, and how effective they reduce anxiety that may be the case…. She may have even had a personal prescription and knew a single dose would help you sleep without any harm. But that’s how addiction starts, by treating some symptom, and eventually the effects wear off as you become dependent…..So be careful, research, and don’t ever quit cold Turkey
@@Americansikkunt I only ever had the 1 pill. I think it was round and white, but a long time ago, and I'm not sure. The particular hospital was not that great and lacking in many things, made all the more clear when I got myself transferred to NYU LANGONE Tisch Hospital, which was at least 1,000 X's better, so I think he took pity on my anxiety, and the fact that he was a nurse is probably why he refused to tell me the name. I imagine he knew the doctor culture of the hospital would probably not okay it. Anyway, now I understand. Thanks for your reply!
FINALLY, People are talking about how NASTY and EVIL Benzodiazepines are. I fell in love with those at a young age due to how much they helped with my anxiety, depression and stress. These things seemed like a life saver at the time. But they quickly stop working and then leave you struggling for YEARS to get off of them. Now I am trying to maintain sobriety from benzos.. I am finally 6 months sober and I am seeing a new way to live life. Still struggling with severe rebound anxiety but it is getting better day by day. It’s just one day at a time, you can get sober! Thanks Jordan Peterson for talking about this.
Went to prison, literally did not sleep 13 days straight as a result of being pulled off my psych meds (klonopin, gabapentin, and suboxone). Basically went through about 3 months of living hell (not from being locked up, but from the combined withdrawals). It was living hell and complete dogshit but it did make me strong. I just worked out constantly.
That's a fucking brutal combo dude, one that can also be potentially lethal by causing seizures. How were they legally allowed to take it away from you if you were prescribed it?
@@chaoticatmos1461 jail, they only allow you to have meds like that after a psychiatrist comes in and a board approves it - most of the time you don’t get it
Amen to that. Absolutely annihilated my neurochemistry when I was 19 with xanax bars bought off of the silkroad, took 150 bars in about 2 weeks and gave myself severe anxiety & panic disorders. This summer I was arrested and went cold turkey after being on 1 gram of super pure fentanyl AND 80mg methadone taken daily. Opioid withdrawal is nowhere near as bad as Benzodiazepine withdrawal.
I’m still recovering from benzos, it’s been about 2 years. It really has been pure hell, but it taught me so much about myself and the world around me.
Going on 5months with no benzos now. The first two months were torture. I’m feeling 90% back to normal now and am looking forward to getting my active lifestyle back and pushing through to the next chapter this year :)
Someone very close to me was addicted to opioids, Xanax, and alcohol for a long time. I hope everyone dealing with those demons finds the peace and strength to recover and come out on the other side better than ever. We all believe in you.
I agree with LEO, that's awesome to say. You know, for a long time I was not empathetic to people with problems like this. Then I had the problem. Now I keep addicts uppermost in my meditative mind daily, saying the same thing in my heart that you said, Ben. I used Yoga and some mantras and surfing and the endorphins I get from extreme physical training and breathing to get control of myself. I found a winning recipe. Now all I want to do is help others walking dark roads. You have a fine heart, I can tell. Aloha.
I found this video at the perfect time. My partner was addicted to benzos i guess worst than i even expected. He told me he stopped but now i see it’s not that easy. We went on vacation and not having any he went into withdrawal and psychosis. The craziest scariest thing i even witnessed in my life. The crazy outburst, the paranoia, the delusions, no sleep, he thought people were going to “k!ll him”, he was seeing things not there, he literally called the cops on himself on vacation! We were in the hospital on an island, he kept saying his stomach hurts which now i see is a symptom. I just thought maybe he took drugs and was dealing with paranoia and it will go away. It didn’t he was shaking, no appetite and the list goes on. I was so scared and couldn’t want to get back home! The plane ride was the worse! He thought everyone on the plane was after him, he kept telling me he had a “b0mb” on his foot, a lady was taking out an AirPod and he kept telling me “she’s shotting up! Look at her taking out the needle!”. I was so confused and over it. Now seeing how bad it can be i have sympathy. He was checked into the hospital ICU that’s how bad it was when they explained what the withdrawal symptoms can do. i say all this to say that sometimes we can make things about us because the whole time i argued with him for ruining MY trip, telling him i can’t wait to go home and leave him. And while yes, i do feel this way, i now understood what’s happening and it breaks my heart knowing what he was going thru. He didn’t mean to do these things or “ruin” the trip. I never knew benzos were this bad and i wish it was educated more so people would know the harm or signs to spot.
its great that you realize this and i hope you've told him the same thing you posted here. it is very hard to understand these things as someone who doesn't do drugs and the fact that you have reached a better understanding is good
You are a good person. It is one of those things that can hardly be understood unless God forbid, you go through it. It's a hell I would have never thought existed. Having gone through this myself, I feel terrible for anyone who had to be around me at the time, including my ex. I hope you are both doing well!
@@rainmanj9978 withdrawal symptoms? It’s all dependent on the individual, their dosage, length of use etc, a lot of factors to answer that question more specifically. It can be physiological as well as psychological
@@rainmanj9978 no it's not psychological but it plays on your feats and makes them unbelievable. Even when I knew it wasn't real it was so hard to convince myself it wasn't.
Insane timing. Just went from 2mg a day to .5 than to 0 yesterday. Went to take my cdl test and the anxiety wd kicked in so hard. Just took deep breaths and got tegu it. I passed!
My dad was prescribed benzos for YEARS after having panic attacks. When he retired he decided he no longer needed the medication. He told his Dr he was just going to quit taking them. Dr. said "you can't. It could kill you". It took years for him to get normal. The weaning process was terrible. I watched a fit, alcohol & tobacco free man in his late 50s become a shell of his former self. My dad is 6'2" & normally around 210-20 lbs. During the prolonged weaning & withdrawal stages he dipped as low as 165lbs. He didn't sleep properly for years. He said even his hair hurt. Seriously, I bet it was over 2 if not closer to 3 years of withdrawal. Worst part was my dad took them as prescribed & nearly everywhere he went for help he was treated as an addict. "How long have you been abusing your medication?". It was a shitty process & horrible to watch. I'm so glad he made it through it. Benzos are seriously bad stuff.
Thank you for sharing. I woke up after a decade of alcohol abuse, and after years battling with any semblance of sobriety, years of destroyed relationships, health and legal issues, I couldn’t do it anymore. I didn’t even recognize myself anymore. I shaved my head and said it was over. (For the trillionth time). I just knew there wasn’t anymore “breaks” from it. I was down so bad, I knew I couldn’t survive if I ever went back. Like looking out over the ocean from the banister of a boat out at sea. One slip and you’re gone. It took me years of education, outpatient, AA and relationships with people who were addicted, to overcome this codependency that was ultimately masking my problems. When it comes up, i openly admit that I’m an alcoholic, it is not a unique struggle, as well as any addiction. I never could picture a happy life without alcohol. But with it approaching 2 years on April 21st, I have had the best year and a half of my life. I’m sharing this because I want this peace for everyone battling with their addictions. So much time is burned up in alcohol and drug abuse. You finally have time to address your issues piece by piece, and finally invest in yourself. So grateful for the life I have today, and that all came from my past self, taking it day by day, for my future self. You can do it! Just one more time.
That's what pissed me off the most... being treated like the drug was something I asked for or for off the street when rather it was sold to me by a trusted doctor who said it had no side effects and non addictive
@@lrm52283 crazy when you think about,you have a health issue,psych prescribed you meds that make your body addicted to them over time and than when you want to come off all of the sudden they treat you like you just buy it of web or streets and did whatever with them,doctors should be responsible for prescribing it and not educating patients of dangers and addiction potential. When i was around 16-17 i was prescribed Xanax but i searched articles and pharmacology behind it on web and thanks to that i have always taken break for days even weeks and never got addicted to it physically to the point of withdraw,few months later i quite them anyways cuz i wanted to try help manage my social anxiety other ways .If i would not do some research myself i could end up in way worse mental state because my psych did not even warn at all of potential side effects or dangers neither my parents knew about dangers and possible side effects addiction and so on. Do your research always if you start any medication,by that i do not mean reading random articles online or forums but some objective basic pharmacology, addiction potential, side effects and so on
i'm 24 and i've developed a benzos dependency over the past year because it really helps with my anxiety. I breathe like a normal human when i take them every night,it's the only thing that puts me to sleep. I've recently increased my dosage and can't go day without it because it feels like death but at the same time i know i need to get off it because it's also been giving me nasty side-effects. I feel like a zombie and i struggle to put thoughts together, i used to have a great memory but everything's just foggy now. i also feel very suicidal at times,it just comes out of nowhere. i love life . i'm 24 and starting a very important phase in my life (Building my life,career etc.) I hope i get through this and this isn't the end for me. Got big ass dreams im chasing.
If you can, try to wean yourself off of them sooner rather than later as with all things the longer you do it the more of a habit it becomes. My mom has taken Xanax every night for 17 years and has always been are very emotional person and had many many mood swings. I’m worried about her and the last thing I want for you is to go through the same thing friend.
Stay strong you can do this. You will come out on the other side. It might be really lonely and scary and hard but there a life worth living on the other side. Let your dreams be bigger then the pain today brings. It will be okay.
Yeah, I wish I could get prescribed it, I’ve tried it before and I could literally feel the anxieties and depression I’ve been suffering from just leave my body. When I’m on xanax I actually feel happy, and feel like living life. Sober I just feel depressed, lethargic, and anxiety about everything constantly.
I’ve been taking prescribed benzodiazepines for 15 years and I’m 34. I’ve been on the same dose that entire time. You’re playing with fire by increasing your dose and running out of them. The ones on the streets are laced with fentanyl so just be careful man.
People do not want to hear positive stories but I have to share mine. Honestly benzos have saved my life. I have extreme anxiety and they have allowed me to show up for work, sleep etc. Without them I would be self medicating with other drugs. Never suffered from withdrawal, but I have come off it many times by tapering. Jordan Peterson has even stated himself that has a rare reaction to benzos.
@@lewkirk821 There is therapeutic use and substance misuse. I have autoimmune disorders and was prescribed fentanyl & other very strong opioids. I became addicted. Not everyone does. I worked as an RN for over 20 years & saw the positive side of most medications. Even aspirin & vitamins should be used with caution.
He’s a liar. It’s been known for a loooooong time that Benzos are addictive and cause withdrawal. And don’t forget, the man is a doctor! He’s lying thru his teeth.
@GuyX 1 I'm going for my doctorate as well. Count me in the liar club too. That's eleven years of schooling beyond public school. That may be plain nuts.
I quit alcohol, and coming from a family of drinkers, on my mother's side, being a writer and artist, I feel for those who haven't been able to shake it. My body has started to reject it, so I don't drink really. Even a small beer doesn't do it for me. I don't like the feeling anymore, and I've had a hard life. Been homeless multiple times, and suffered financial loss. I hope those who have drinking issues resolve their lives. 🙇🏿♂️
my father is 55 years old and he is heavy drinker, every week from friday to monday. Heavy stuff like 2 liters of wine at one sip, than strong homemade alcohol. He is drinking i phases of 3 months and than 1 month break... We do not know how to help him... any advice how to talk to him about that ? He is person who is not sharing any feelings with anyone... he is drinking his whole life but this last 2 years are worst.
@@Renovatio2142 I hope he finds the energy to let it go. It can grab a hold of you, and numb you to pain, but if you don't talk with someone, or let it out with exercise or even a healthy scream, all that pain, along with the alcohol, can develop into serious problems. I hope he can find help.
Congratulations to you. Love yourself and keep finding tools that help you on your journey. Best to you from another survivor in Vancouver. 17 years sober and blessed.
I took 30 mg diazepam for about 12 years. Then I abruptly stopped thinking I didn’t need it anymore and had to go to the ER. They instructed me to go back on so I was taking 10 mg daily. It cost me my marriage as it was very very difficult. I then started taking 5 mg daily for 3 years. It was about 2 months ago I made a huge effort to get off these for good. I lowered my dosage by 1 mg every 2 weeks. You will feel it, for me it was mostly nausea and stomach pains, feeling like a zombie, but try to push through. Don’t feel bad if you have to go backwards your body just isn’t ready yet. Currently I’m at just 1 mg and my body has adjusted for the most part but we all have good days and bad ones. Remember that EVERYONE has good days and bad, not just us getting off benzos. I love you all ❤
@@thencarolinaman1934 The withdrawals are different for different people and also depends greatly on how long you’ve been on the medication. Long story short you need a a strong support system and she would rather put me down then be there helping. I wish you the best. What is your current dosage you are taking?
alcohol and benzos are hard to get off after years but you need to keep moving more and commit to optimal health and deal with all that extra energy and anxiety that your body will produce. Support groups are helpful
@@thencarolinaman1934 best 2 taper of with a long working benzo like valium because xanax is way stronger en totally diffrent in diazepam diazepam could stop seizures xanax totally not zero %
I had been on a very long drawn out benzo taper from 2017-2021. It was horrific but tapering at least helped me leave the house. Yes it took a long time, yes I’ve heard I’m just an addict from people who don’t understand. I think because I went so slow, I really didn’t have a hard time when I made the final jump, made the time worth it. When I found out JP had been on klonopin my heart sank. It’s a very strong benzo and can make people really sick while on them, let alone the terror of getting off. I am so happy this man made it through. It’s an extremely difficult feat and many people off themselves because of protracted w/ds.
Thank you for your story of hope. I am happy you managed to get off benzos. They are an overprescribed drug with horrific consequences. I wanted to ask you what resources, doctors etc. you relied on for the taper. Unfortunately, in my country, doctors won't even ACKNOWLEDGE it's a problem. I once tried doing it alone, and went through literal HELL. I am terrified of goinf through that ordeal again.
I always come back to This video. I was hooked on Xanax for 10 years, from the age of 18-28. Used to take 3 bars a day easily if not more. I can’t count all the stuff I did in those 10 years to push people away from me and make myself look like a complete fool. When I finally came to the point that I knew I needed to quit I tried many times but never could. Until one day, I don’t remember why, but I just stopped cold turkey. I had seizures I thought I was going to die but I’m here and I’m not hooked on that junk anymore and I can’t thank god enough thank you 🙏🏼
I’m almost 30 and was prescribed 2MG three times a day since I was 17.. It’s been almost a year cutting my dose down. It’s been INCREDIBLY hard to get off of. I had a seizure just stopping when I was 19. Now I’m down to 1-1 1/2 MG a day now and pray for the day I don’t think about them
Exaxtly the same for me. Almost 32 and been taking benzos since I was 16.. had a seizure at 19. Didn't take anymore again until I was 22 and now it's been 10 years and I take 2mg once a day. Scared to stop because of withdrawals. Edit: from 16 to 19 took them just willy nilly.. didn't know the dangers. When I started taking them again a few years later I only had a couple to get fucked up on. Got high for like a week and was so absolutely terrified of that seizure that I was scared even a week of me taking it and then stopping would give me another seizure,, even though I prob would've been fine and the rest is history. Only difference is I don't take them to get high anymore.
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The pharmaceutical industry is insane. I'm in the middle of listening to "Lost connections" by Johann Hari and he goes deep into his long experience with antidepressants and the manipulation of research data by the pharmaceutical industry. I really recommend it.
I’ve seen so many close friends and family struggle with addiction to benzodiazepines. It’s very sad to see because it can literally break a person. Very glad to see dr Peterson back again. A blessing indeed
Ive come off most drugs you can be addicted to and benzos was by far the worst. Dissociation, pain, unexplainable sensations, insomnia, delusions and pure terror. I got lucky and didn't have to deal with seizures but definitely felt like I was going to have one
When mom gave me Valium @ 14, it started me on a lifetime of benzo abuse. At 55, I'd had enough. Started a looong, slow, home detox, thought I was out of the woods until 2 weeks after quitting completely. Long story short, I became delusional, with audio hallucinations, totally psychotic for 4 months with no clue why. Didn't realize It was because my brain chemistry was all discombobulated because I was, well, psychotic. Came out intact, finally thank God. After 5 years, so grateful to have that monkey off my back. Benzos aren't worth it.
Thank the world I used to flush them shit . 😂😂😂😂 my doctor said I had bipolar and prescribed that shit to me 😊. The weird thing is I actually have asperger
Well of course you experienced a severe withdrawal syndrome, but this is not due to benzodiazepine , but due to your reckless decision-making. You built a 40+ year long dependence. Here, when I speak of dependence, I primarily mean in a psychological sense. You could not function properly without your medication, and it was your primary support system. Over time, of course, due to the nature of the human organism, this extended into the biological realm and your body adapted to this new neurochemical environment you-ve created. This also has nothing to do with benzos or any other medication : biological adaptation happens all the time at all levels of the human being (it-s an evolutionary mechanism for survival). For whatever reason, you decided to quit this medication, which has sustained you for the past 40 years. Then, just pay close attention to what you wrote in your comment: "I started a looong, slow, home detox, thought I was out of the woods until 2 weeks after quitting completely." So you attempted to cure a 40 year dependence with a HOME DETOX (this stinks of pseudoscientific garbage) , decided to quit essentially cold turkey (relative to the length of your dependence), and now think that what happened afterwards with you is a consequence of taking benzos? This kind of thinking is so flawed and dangerous: it reminds me of Germany thinking it can quit its dependence on Russian energy (which it sustained for decades) overnight, just because someone said so. You/ve made a huge mistake and ofc its easier to blame the medicine than to take personal accountability. These are my thoughts on this issue.
@@stanislavknezevic6684 awfully detailed response for someone who isn’t considering that this person developed a chemical dependence while their brain was literally still developing. You also aren’t looking at this person’s psychology or personal circumstance. How can you expect a developing child to know better than to abstain from a very powerful mind altering substance given to them at the hands of their own caregiver? You’re disregarding way too many factors in your argument for it to be even close to the full picture. What did you hope to accomplish by telling this person about what you perceive as solely their own mistake? Besides, they went through hell and came out the other end five years ago- no small feat. Many people don’t make it through what this person is describing. I didn’t take the medication for that many years but I did take it for 10 and the psychotic symptoms are very real. Consider the why this person was taking that medicine in the first place. Not everyone takes them, no? Something deeper is always going on with that individual that they need to literally turn the volume down on every part of their life to be able to tolerate it.
I’ve kicked heroin and methadone at the same exact time and that was NOTHING compared to the hell I’m going through right now trying to kick benzodiazepines. It’s the most horrendous thing I’ve ever experienced by a mile and it’s taken me years and years of battling. I’m suicidal every second of every day, it’s terrifying. Everyone please be careful since they are prescribed like candy with no warnings. They are not meant for long term use but these doctors are putting profit before patients and just keep people on it. Thank you for spreading the word on this substance. Education is key
Damn I’m sorry man, I’ve never been dependent on benzos but I did become dependent on phenibut which is quite similar in many aspects. I had to taper off over a whole year and it was absolute hell. I’m still not “clean” from it as I take a very very low dose of gabapentin. I’ve also kicked opiates quite a few times and while that is miserable, it’s not nearly as scary or as hard as phenibut. Good luck.
I just found this not sure if you will read this... I am still on a very mild dose of Clonazepam But I was taking Valium Clonazepam Diazepam & XANAX on top of Vik's ... same time.. All I did was SLEEP / On The Nod / Slobbering at my mouth not realizing it... Doc NEVER TOLD ME They were addictive EVER!!!! I was doing that for over 6 years... I went off cold turkey at first then to detox as My Panic Attacks were UNBEARABLE .... The withdraws were WORSE THAN CHILDBIRTH WORSE THAN ANYTHING I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED!!!! HORRENDOUS!!! Went to a detox center I had to WALK a Lot to keep my organs from shutting down they said... drink a bottle of water an hour... it got to the point I could not walk I could not pick up anything do anything I had to re-learn my motor skills all over they had to feed me.. I got where I could not walk but my tests were good with my heart etc .. THEY TOLD ME IN DETOX GETTING OFF BENZO'S IS WORSE THAN GETTING OFF HEROIN I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE BUT IT WAS HELL....... I AM ON CLONAZEPAM STILL LOW DOSE FOR MY TRAUMA/DV/SA ABUSE FLASHBACKS NIGHTMARES ... 3MG DIVIDED 3 TIMES A DAY ... IF I MISS MINE SAY A DOSE I START WITHDRAW ITS HORRIBLE!! I AM GOING TO TALK TO MY PSYCHIATRIST ABOUT WEANING ME BUT I AM TERRIFIED...... I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE THESE ......... I HOPE YOUR OK!!!! HUGS HUGS HUGSSSSSSSSS
This video alone made me quit this drug. My last taper was on May 25th, 2022 and I'm happy to say I feel great. It wasn't easy initially though, it was a living hell. People reading this who take it, you can do it!
@@Saizos619 It'll be day by day. I would recommend herbal tea or CBD as you progress through it. Just know that you're not alone and many have made it through!
Thank you for the motivation pal, I'm in recovery from Benzo for a year now after 3 years of abuse, it's living hell just like you said but I know that I'll come out stronger ! I also started to mess with opioids at the peak of my addiction, my therapist is making me get off Bdz first I'm almost at the end, then I'll stop Subutex. At least the ladder takes 2 week instead of a year
I use to use a lot of Kolonopin. I cant say that there was and physical symptoms like you get from opiate withdrawal, but the mental anguish from benzo withdrawal is surreal. Hallucinations, hearing shit like your phone ringing when its not. Makes you really question your own sanity and when your a very confident man who was a Marine who never second guesses yourself it can be a very hard mental dilemma for you
Benzodiazepines, a devil pill, one that nearly took my life. The Dr’s kept pushing this as treatment as they thought my medical issues where all in my head. When in reality I had a rare neuromuscular disease along with ovarian tumors. By the time I had proper diagnosis my body was dependent on alprazolam. I was crawling on the floor in my kitchen one morning in a psychosis state from tolerance withdrawal. I had no idea what was going on, it hit me out of nowhere. I then found out what tolerance was and I was going in and out of withdrawal ON the benzo. My Dr was no help and wanted to up my dose and I knew if I didnt get off I would die. I researched online and found someone who lead me to the harms of the medication and proper tapering off and I mean strict tapering method and is approached by small percentage reductions to help the body adjust. It was torturous hell, like nothing remotely comes close to it, you wish you would die. The symptoms of withdrawal are on a level almost intolerable to what any human should have to endure and it takes sometimes years to recover to a point of living a life with any quality. There are thousands and thousands of people that are going through this, with little to no help and have to stumble upon help from ones that have been through it. Informed consent needs to be given to EVERYONE that is prescribed this and should never be given more then 2 weeks.
@Billy Billcatsavick this only proves on western medicine is backed by big pharma. Western culture needs to move away from the Chem pills. Nature is the key!
Been on 1mg of clonazepam for 22 years. I’ve tried to get off multiple times but it’s a living hell. Going to start tapering off slowly starting today. Wish me luck
As someone with constant chronic anxiety and depression and stress disorders - his "sickness" was more than likely an unfortunate symptom of chronic stress, which is your body is technically healthy to doctors, but it somehow also begins to feel like it's failing in little ways that they can't seem to test or prove. For me, I feel like I have some sort of terrible GI tract or anemia or something but everytime I ask them to test it, they tell me they can't find anything and it's probably stress. Stress truly makes you feel like dog shit in every possible manifestation.
Exactly the same here. Been hell for over a decade and it only gets worse. I have stopped all drugs for over a month and nothing improves. My stomach and psychological health is collapsed.
getting of smoking and suger was my hard challenge i cant even imagen going thro addictive drug , thanks for sharing the experience much respect for both of ya
So glad he is slowly coming around to getting saved by Christ. his wife truly knows The Lord, he has always been too intellectual though and logic can get in the way of “faith” God wants us to believe without seeing , and then He will show us things we cannot even imagine and Him showing up in our life, thankfully He is still at work and does so even when we don’t realize it and aren’t believing !! He knows exactly how to get our hearts back to Him. ❤️🙏🏻🙌🏻
@Russell's Brand faith isn’t logical 😉 that is why it is called “faith” how did any miracles occur in the bible, and still do today, faith is the clay so to speak God uses to mold miracles. He reacts to faith. Can you logically explain a super natural healing? The process of it, no just simply God does it , and is pure love and all powerful, it is sort of like Job thinking he had wisdom as a human… and God came to Him, chapters 38-41 challenging Job , ok if you think you know “anything” answer me this then, and they were questions NO human being can actually answer , because God is the creator of ALL ❤️
@Russell's Brand negative , The Lord saved me , wasn’t from a man but a super natural encounter myself ❤️ but yeah sadly most out there is “religion” no ty. I wasn’t saved in a church building nor did I grow up in it
I’m a benzo recovery coach, having been on them for 10 years, high dose. Took me four years to taper and recover. There’s a self sustaining mechanism in the recovery process that’s incredibly important to address. Very happy to see Dr Peterson sharing his experience in a public forum. He has such a powerful voice, and his background in psychology is a massive plus. I hope he brings more awareness to this topic.
Me too I've been on Benzos for 10 years myself now. I developed epilepsy as well a few years back which make it even more dangerous and hard for me to get off. I was on 50MGs a day. 10 years later I'm down to 10MGs a day! With a 7.5MG of Zimovane to sleep. I've been on the Zimovane the last 10 years as well!
Alot of people hurt mentally I'm one and I need help rn professional I'll admit it... but could u imagine how deeply he felt.. he is educated in how to deal with and manage horrible situations, he is the definition of practice what u preach Side note sorta to backtrack, I truly need help right now.. it's a shot in the dark but I'd do literally anything to have 1 session with Jordan
My doctor put me on them two months ago. After doing my own research and feeling like I was becoming dependent on them, I quit. Coke turkey. And even though I took them exactly as I prescribed, I still am going though withdrawal. Not nearly as bad as other. But it just shows that even a low dose for a few months will trap you in the throws of addiction. Stay strong everyone.
Same here, but I did a little research before getting them of I only took them as prescribed for a month, then started tapper them of gradually not slow enough I think, cause I was on 3g of alprazolam, I’m still tapering it’s have been 3 month of this hell and I’m still have a long way…. But I’m hopeful that better days will come… then I have the battle of getting of the antidepressants…. Trying to be positive in all of this. I hope you’re ok and off that poison for good
I've been on these for a bit more than 3 months. I didn't take them for 2 weeks and barely slept. I've been more depressed and apathetic than ever and I think these are the culprit. I have 7 mg left which I will taper and will never touch a pharmaceutical again.
@@michaelwalker9575 instead of closing your mind and dismissing criticism with silly shallow prejudices why not understand what his critics are actually saying?
@@michaelwalker9575 you’re not the type to study anything I assume. You’re dull. Hence why you listen to the JRE podcast and can’t see through Jordan’s very shallow facade
Great program Joe! Years ago I met a person years ago who claimed to have been banished sort of speak in the province in which he resided in. We unfortunately we're at a shelter for the homeless and he was going through the same issues that Jorden was going threw. It's nice to know that there is help out there for people who seek it and I'm very glad that Jorden has overcame his dependency remarkably. Sometimes we have to be reminded that there is no magic pill. 😎👍
For a majority of my life, I have been a drug addict. I managed to get off of it starting 2016. While in NA, I found Peterson. He's helped me. I'm nearly 6 years clean.
This video helps me to better understand my brother’s death from suicide. Outside stressors, sleep issues, anxiety, depression, and trying to drink less alcohol became a toxic combination. He was the only one allowed in the ER weeks before his death due to covid restrictions. The irony is he was too fearful to take what he was prescribed because he didn’t want to become addicted. He was very smart, funny, otherwise healthy, and loved his family dearly.
As a fellow addict to benzos alcohol opioids and amphetamines who has gone through multiple overdoses, detoxes, relapses, clean periods, etc... My heart mourns for the people currently silent suffering 💜💜💜💜
It must be faith. This man touches on so many things that are real for me too and simply speaks facts and challenges wrongs in this world. In 2016 I was severely depressed like him too, nearly ended me. To then hear him speak about it like this and at the same time helping people overcome things through his own genuine experiences in life really makes me feel I'm connected to him.
I really do pray for all of you stuck on these meds. I can only imagine how awful it must feel to want to get off of them but can't because of the side effects. I love Jordan Peterson and I'd be absolutely devastated if anything were to happen to him.
I take Klonopin and have been for 15+ years and I never had too difficult a time getting off. It's not the same as Xanax but close. Everyone is different
Any med can be hard to get off of..I did heroin for 8 years lost a bunch of friends it wasn't till I went to jail and dried out cold turkey that I got it
When I was getting off xanax the withdrawals are unimaginable, I was hallucinating and thinking my dreams I was having was actually really happening in real life. I couldn't tell what reality was
I remember at night trying to go to sleep and would hear a full on brass orchestra playing clear as day outside of my window. While I knew that it was the WD, it was so damn vivid I kept asking my girl if she heard it. Wild stuff indeed. Hated going to sleep cause it was like the minute I closed my eyes I had intense closed eye visuals and it would be like watching a movie that is say 10 fps and I would see a sharp clear image then something completely different immediately after (like an extremely quick moving slideshow). Kinda like you lose control of your free will to think/have thoughts
I use to feel these sort of brain zaps and it would feel like I was being shocked and was just in a haze. Took me 4 months to fully get over withdrawals
I developed suicidal thoughts after coming off of Prednisone. My doc prescribed me Xanax, Paxil and Wellbutrin. Interestingly enough, I had no issues getting off those meds after 6 months of use. I had no idea Xanax could be this dangerous. I’m so sorry for those who had horrible withdrawals.
You are such an inspiration JP !!! Seriously ON3 of a kind .... iii thank God iii stumbled across you more than 3ish years ago NOW ☆ without that stumble iii truly believe I'd be dead by NOW ♡
I kicked Benzos and methadone at the same time, it about killed me. The experiences from that whole time and successful in getting clean has gave me more wisdom than anyone could ever imagine. It's a very hard thing and I have lost the majority my friends to such things. I hope no one ever makes these mistakes but they are priceless.
I kicked methadone cold turkey about 10 years ago at 150mg after being on it constantly for 5 years. My God… 6 weeks of pure insomnia and that was the easy part. I don’t wish that hell on anyone.
Were you prescribed those 2 substances by a doctor or were you getting them on the streets? Sound extremely irresponsible for a doctor to prescribe those. I have a handful of friends that are dead from that combination. I myself was on methadone for about 7 years and that drug was the worst drug I've ever done and that industry needs better regulations bc those clinics are just drug dealers with government approval
I kicked benzos, it wasn't easy, but freaking Cymbalta given to me for connective issue pain was way worse for me... made me suicidal and physically nearly bed ridden for months
I knew a lady who was detoxing off benzos and couldnt sleep for almost a month. It makes heroin detox look like childs play. I cant believe Jordan was addicted benzos and its even more unbelievable that hes off of them. This whole story is unreal. Benzos and opiods detox is one of the most painful and dreadful experiences anybody can go thru. I dont even wish it on my enemies. Much props to the doctor.
You don't sleep kicking Heroin either for better than a month, then for over a year you go through detox intermittently. I've kicked both and Drinking... I'm a mess. Not trying to down play it.
@@hogrotten6897 I was on both for over ten years. I can say opiate withdrawals are agonizing, but benzo withdrawals are just plain scary. You know what to expect with opiate withdrawals, but having seizures from benzos is a whole different level of suck. (Fwiw methadone is even worse than H or most opiates if you go on a high dose for years, getting patients hooked on that stuff is even worse than the drugs it's meant to replace much of the time)
I wouldn't say it makes heroin withdraws look like child's play. That's a gross misrepresentation. It's basically the same except one gives you seizures (the part that can kill you) and the other doesn't.
I went into precipitated withdraws the other day... And this was the worst I'd ever gotten them. Like... My head was spinning and I could hardly see straight. The rock solid poops were all of a sudden not solid and flying out of me I couldn't stop sweating... That sucked man. How fast I went from feeling bad, to omg what am I going to do I literally cannot do this bad was amazing honestly.
Yup sleeping is a bitch especially when your addicted to benzos and pk’s. I’m 3 years sober from suboxone and benzos and couldn’t really sleep for a few months. I went cold turkey and I’ll never ever go back, worst experience off my life and I went through cancer and lost my leg as a teenager. Going cold turkey and withdrawals were worse Edit: just remembered I was still prescribed to gabapentin so that probably helped a little bit, especially with seizure scares
Lorazapam saved my life for 20 years and I got off them by slowly withdrawing for about eight months. You people cannot judge everybody by yourselves. I am Grateful for them. 😊❤
Psychedelic’s definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it’s just so hard to source here
Psychedelics are the reason why i didn’t take my life when i was at my end. I was stripped of my ego and saw the beauty of life and interconnectivity and even though i still battle anxiety and depression, I’m doing better everyday and will never think in such a self destructive way again.
LSD and mushrooms completely changed my whole outlook on life. I became a better version of myself This experience gave me a lot of confidence about my self and my body. A bunch of bad thought / behavior patterns were broken. One of these was pretty bad OCD that made me wash my hands a lot. It gave me a lot of hope that things will be fine, this is the one thing that I heard throughout the trip: Everything is alright. The main reason for the trip was my severe depression and it definitely helped me (although it's not gone). Before all I could do was lay in bed. Now I am trying to rebuild my life one step at a time which wasn't possible before."
Last year, I took shrooms at Las Vegas thinking it was going to hit like an edible or something. Shit was scary at first but amazing once you start getting deeper into your thoughts
When he came out on top of the addiction he went on his daughters podcast and opened up on the subject completely. Don't remember the name of her podcast but you should look it up! Cheers to your health Myrzghe
Good to see Dr. Peterson back to good health and fitness again. I've been taking a prescribed benzodiazepine for three weeks - I knew it had teeth to it but hadn't heard about the problems of long term use. Sleep deprivation on a regular basis is a truly terrible state to experience. So too is anxiety. I'm not sure humans were meant to enjoy life and prosper - that may be a false bubble world which can get so real it then seems as if it's a default state. But there will be and are moments and times to appreciate and enjoy and saviour - we tend to take those times for granted, though. Humanity was born to suffer but survive - it's not supposed to be easy and enjoyable - it's supposed to hurt. That's my two cents worth, what do I know anyway ?
You should be able to taper off the benzos relatively easy and you could take any of these anti-depressants; remeron, elavil, trazadone, serquel, by themselves to sleep soundly. I've been through hell and back with benzos & sleeping pills like Halcion, Lunesta, Ambien, Valium, Klonopin, Xanax, and after 25 years, i'm finally free from all of these drugs and i sleep 7 hours and feel great in the morning. Benzos are harder than opiates to get off of because of the brutal rebound insomnia, in which i had to take off 2 years of work because i had trouble sleeping more than 2 hours per night. The longer that you take benzos the harder it will be to taper off of them.
At 8:25, when Jordan closes his eyes for a few seconds, you can feel his heartbreak as he speaks about his wife. What a mountain of a man. I’m glad he’s doing better. We’re lucky he’s on Earth to share his wisdom.
Being a person who has suffered first hand from PTSD and anxiety. I can totally relate to Jordan not being able to sleep. When you are going through an anxiety attack, you may wake up many times throughout the night in a puddle of sweat. Or you simply just can't sleep. Because your mind is racing. At first you totally don't understand what's going on with you. There were times I had to just go for a drive. Whether it was during the day, or the middle of the night. Because it helped ease my mind. Once you start to manage it better, it gets easier. But sometimes you're overwhelmed to the point to where you just aren't thinking clearly and you try to look for an escape. That escape could be drinking, or drugs. Or it could be what I used to do and go to various parks to hike, going to a school track to run, or simply going for a drive to try to calm down. Hats off to those who suffered the same way. I understand completely how you feel. At times you just want to live like it's your last day on earth. Because you feel so awful and miserable and like it could really be your last day on earth. Just keep moving forward, even if it's a crawl. When you look back, you'll be proud about how far you have came and what you overcame while having to suffer so much and it not defeating you. I'll take physical pain over mental pain any day. Those who know what I'm talking about would more than likely tell you the same.
I'm a nurse in the UK and It's rare for them to be given long term here because they are so hard to get off. They are given for acute severe anxiety and withdrawal for alcohol for one week only.
So glad to learnt that Dr Jordan is doing well. Many people tried to humiliate him publicly and that’s most people’s worst nightmare. He came out of all of that invictus. Wishing him and his family a great life ❤️❤️
It's so important for people like Jordan Peterson to talk about addiction and it's horrible effects and struggles. One of the worst parts of addiction is trying to get someone to understand it it's the most frustrating thing and you never feel like you're really being believed like it's all just some game to get more drugs. Invisible chains.
What's sad is that with benzos most people get hooked without even knowing it. If you take opiates or heroin recreationnaly you will get addicted but you know you caused it to yourself, it was somewhat of a choice, whereas with benzos doctors prescribe them like candies to millions of people without telling them once that it's a substance with one of the worst withdrawals you can imagine, and people end up getting horribly addicted to something they thought was going to help them because they trust their doctor
I’ve been on Ativan 1mg for 6 years, I’ve weened off a number of times with little to no side effects. ALTHOUGH I should state, thankfully I was never prescribed daily at most it was 15 a month so it was just for panic attacks, I’m currently receiving 12 a month but have a bunch stockpiled because I don’t really have panic attacks anymore but I will say I think people when stating how horrific and dangerous and evil it is to come of these things should state their dosage and other relevant info because there’s people that take this stuff for 40 + years and it works wonderfully, they are something you should only take if needed but if they work, you take em safely and there’s no issues then what’s the problem? I don’t know, when I came across these videos I could imagine people looking to come off them (who I’m assuming are anxious people) reading these comments and hearing these stories without context would be terrifying
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I’m so glad to see this topic getting the attention it needs. Medicines like this can be amazing but there is always a cost/benefit and risk/reward analysis for each person to make... and it’s impossible to make a realistic measure of this without the correct and nuanced data.
Glad they’re scratching the surface but wish the information was more accurate. Benzo‘s have been available since the 50s and have been handed out like TicTac‘s for the better part of 40 years.. To say that we are just now learning the dangers of these medications isn’t true as Heather Ashton wrote the Bible on benzodiazepines and successfully dealt with the epidemics problem in the UK before it was a widespread problem in the US mid 80’s. They cause long-term CNS and GABA injury which is something the manufacturers at Roche and other pharmaceutical manufacturers have shown internal documents from the 70s… That’s why they’re only recommended to be taken for a few weeks at most. Also need to differentiate between chemical dependency and addiction as the DSM does. Lots of people people saying he was “addicted” and calling him an addict. He was prescribed the medication for sleep and became chemically dependent, he didn’t seek it out as a means to escape or cope with life pain, big difference.
Such a dice roll. I’ve taken clonazepam 1-2mg for years. Stopped due to wfh and had, at worst, bad sleep and a few hand tremors and that was it. Could have also been due to the large quantities of caffeine I was ironically consuming post getting off anxiety meds. Unfortunately going back to work resulted me in taking it again. But a couple times per week. It’s amazing how differently people react from almost nothing to near death
Love to hear it man!!! anybody else struggling with Xanax addiction I love you and hope you recover soon we don't need to lose anybody else stay safe ❤️❤️ 💯
Good luck brother I just came off a year-long benzo binge. At my worst I was taking 28mg of alprazolam a day, buying it online from WHM. I tapered to 1.5mg a day and it was hell for over 2 months even going down so much. Still aint right from it but if I can do it, anyone can. Wishing you the best.
Genuine question really need help not doctor hasn't been there help real help. So a car mounted a pavement and broke 3 rubs fractured femur and bleed on brain from unconscious. Anyway I live alone, there's a list of severity hairline, compound avlusion, spiral there's was about ten but because of the loss of consciousness I'm having memory issues. Anyway, mine was the worst almost snapped through. Because this is pseudonym I'll be honest. I was so frightened of moving in the night it snapping piercing my lung and me dying in my own blood because I have no partner. So I've been battering them for a month and valour. Weirdly for what are proposed to be muscle relaxants a weird side effect was the removal of my abject fear (crying, I've only ever cried when my dog died but I was genuinely so scared I couldn't control my emotion). My question is "how long does it take to form a proper dependency on them?" I've completely stopped now. So scared I hired an escort to stay over next day it was "this is like a holiday for me, I have my own room with projector etc and you want nothing but my company, I'll half the price I'm even gonna have a deep clean for you". I'm thinking great. Anyway, she was just looking what I had and where, I woke up went into her room with a coffee she's not their bur around £4000 of assets are stolen. She robbed me. I'm so low I never wanna take them again but please advise me what I'm in for. Please. Genuine request? 🙏
In my teens, I remember being in an inhouse rehab that I stayed in for a week. I had my own room, but on both sides of the room I shared walls with one guy in his 30's coming off of benzos on one end and the other an older gentleman coming off opiods. 4 out of 7 nights I stayed awake, listening to what I can only describe as pure agony, screaming, crying, begging, praying, wishing for death etc, until, eventually, they'd either pass out or just go shower and go on about the day as if nothing happened. I pray they found that strength, the younger guy was a great guitarist and the older guy was genuinely kind and taught me some things. Anyone who knows the struggle my heart is with you. Tomorrow's always a new day. [Edit] : Thank you to those of you in the comments (both under my comment and in general) who've shared your story or part of it and, may I say, I'm so fucking happy people see the medical malpractice, revolving door like practices and countless "Oh let's try this other addictive drug to make you stop doing the other addictive drugs" I had to deal with. Makes me feel less crazy. 6 years clean and counting. Keep going guys, it sucks donkey ass, but damn imagine how much poorer I'd be if I was still on the stuff and things I was on. God bless
The world needs more people like you putting out positivity like this. It is a struggle whether or not who you are I wouldn't wish that kind of pain withdrawal which i've been through I now have 7 years clean on anyone. We're all on this thing called life together
Been there. Cold turkey is rough. Staying on it is even rougher. Psoas muscle work was like a light switch for the ultra agonizing high anxiety of cold turkeying benzos.
I can concur. Quitting Xanax to,quickly was hell on earth for over a year. I was only on a small dose and I experienced paradoxical reaction.and my attempt at quitting was worse than death. I,actually considered ending it all. The Ashton manual saved me. I had to crossover to Valium and did a two year taper. Just wanted to say i am now well and healed so,there is hope
I'm 27 been smoking for 12 years drinking for 10 and I was introduced to Opioids about 3 years ago, recently I made the bad decision of mixing the whole three and abusing the shit out of these substances on one occasion, I had a seizure as a result of the overdose, I felt like I've died for several minutes a then came back to life, It was a wake-up call for me to quit being in that loophole. I stopped cold turkey and it was the hardest thing I've done in my life, everyone talks about the emotional and mental difficulty of the withdrawals but the physical part is rarely addressed, fever, nausea, headache, dizziness, vertigo, shortness of breath, heartache and elevated heart palpitation rate I swear for about a week it felt like my brain was failing to control parts of my body, mainly hands and legs I literally had difficulty walking, I couldn't perform my job because I couldn't type on the computer also. I've had a few relapses but it only made the recovering more difficult so I'm 3 months clean now. I think I've said too much but anyway, this is my story that nobody actually knows about but me, THE FIGHT CONTINUES BUT VICTORY IS CERTAIN.
Reading your comment made me think about 2 music videos: Angels and Withdrawals, by Tom Macdonald. Moving and intense. Worth a look when you feel alone
Count yourself lucky you're hear. That shock to get your shit together will wear off soonish. Starts with beers. I've been sober many years and ended up in a coma after an injury and helpful docs. Go help some people and get some support. Also you are on the other side now, in that you have zero tolerance. Even if you think you will be careful I would still bet money you OD. You are still young. One of the benefits of hard drugs. You either get sick of them super fast or die. You have a great chance of living a happier life and you're past the half way point of going the day with out a craving. Erase those numbers if you're holding them. You got this and remember addiction comes from the greek word adictus meaning slave. After a decade now I can tell you it's pretty great to be Free. I'm one of the lucky ones. I help out a family friend with chores and her daughter died at 19. It's no joke. Proud of you man. Since you made it past the 3 week mark you have a really great shot. Most don't make it 5 days with out some help.
Thanks to Jordan's transparency on benzos millions of people got the essential knowledge that can save them from a lot of misery in the future. Thank You Jordan
@Bird Dawg Are you sure every doctor prescribing benzos goes out of his/her way to make sure patients know how severe dependancy can be, and how excruciating quitting is? Don't you think Jordan sharing his experience will make people think twice before taking the med? I don't understand why what he says bothers you so much, how do you know what he's been told by a doctor who gave him the meds?
The experience I had from quitting benzos cold turkey rivaled the psychedelic experiences I've had, actually blown most of them out of the water because I didn't know when it would stop and my sense of reality went away in the sense of knowing where I was at and who I was around, the delirium brought on by sleep depravation really exacerbated things. Not to mention what I think are permanent changes.
I will say you have detoxed from benzos. Yes, I've taken LSD in higj school and it was a very pleasant break with reality. The benzo cold turkey was ever bit of dantes inferno and a morgue and a raw sewage tank stirred into the absolutely worst most fucking intense negative hell I cannot even explain to others it was so bad. All I know is that I am not strong enough mentally to ever endure even one fifth of my benzo detox again. They say some never come back to full sanity. I can see this, I am not even close to who I was before, my psychic energy was all burnt afterwards. I am typing this to you because I've never heard anyone else explain as well what I endured as you have in your comment. Stay off of them buddy. My torture was so bad I cursed a general practice Dr. last year who offered me a script of xanax " since I complained of anxiety due to being forced off work during Covid and my friends seemed to be dying from Covid". I apologized but I told him my story and I also told him if he actually deserved that diploma I pointed to on his wall that he would never ever start a person on those damned things unless they are dying of cancer very soon. Anything other than terminal cancer anxiety and benzos scripts are the most common form of medical malpractice committed in the western world
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I get what your trying to say but please stay in your lane, Opiates are soft compared to Benzodiazepines in every single way.. You know your own darkness which hey I congratulate you for making it through but benzodiazepines is in another league. There's 5 categories which makes benzos way worse. 1) Duration of recovery: With Opiates withdrawal is over in 2 weeks to a month on average... That's cute. The average length of benzo recovery is between 9-18 months with symptoms... I'll say that again, with symptoms for up to 18 months. Don't worry it gets worse, 10-15% develop Protracted withdrawal which can last up to 10 years with symptoms that keeps changing... I'm currently on year 7 with 212 symptoms documented... Trust me opiate withdrawal would be heaven. 2) Symptoms The symptoms of opiate withdrawal are flue like, Hot/cold, poor cognitive ability, nasty sweats, increased anxiety, fatigue, muscle and joint paint... That's cute. With Benzodiazepines Prof Heather Ashton documented 90+, can you imagine 90+ symptoms from muscle symptoms, neurological symptoms such as losing the ability to walk, speak or think? Cognitive abilities are just gone... Most forget their age, visual and perceptional issues... Can you imagine losing eye sight for a large portion of the day only to live in fear of losing your eye sight for good? Akathisia or the suicide disease to insomnia for months only living on micro sleep? Trust me Opiate withdrawal is nothing compared to benzos. 3) lack of medical awareness: With opiates you have rehab or detox services along with a medical community that understands you... Guess what we have? Nothing, Benzodiazepines was created by Leo H Sternbach in 1955,brought to the market in 1960...since then there's only one study that's it, the medical community doesn't recognize benzo withdrawal we only have support from online groups. I want you to think about... You've been taught your whole life that doctors can help you but what happens when you're having weird symptoms no test can show? And this community of medical experts not only dismisses your cries, but calls you crazy, calls you a trouble maker and pushes you on other doctors making you feel worse. And when you do listen to them and detox the way they've been taught, you get worse as tapering needs to be as long as 3 years but most medical professionals try getting you off the benzo in a month as every other drug works the same so why not benzos right 4)loss of hope: Try being bedbound for years... You will lose hope I don't care who you are it all sinks in how helpless you've become. We lost 24 people in our community last month 5) Loss:besides loss of life, if you're disabled for as long as we are, you lose family, friends, relationships, job and financial situation the list goes on and on Again I get what your saying but you're darkness compared to ours isn't in the same park, the worst thing that can happen to a opiate addict is loss of life which I'm not down playing how awful that is because it is, lose of life should never happen but the worst thing that could happen to benzo users mind you according to Benzodiazepine information coalition 98% used their medication as prescribed and were hurt, but the worst thing that can happen to us is no longer being able to live a life, we become disabled trapped in a body that's falling apart and no one can help. Please don't comment on things you don't understand.
I was addicted to painkillers because of my severe auto immune condition (psoriatic arthritis). For a long time I had to rely on painkillers and couldn't live without them and ointments. That and I was overweight ,lazy and depressed all the time. Too lazy even to put my clothes in laundry. One day decided to clean my room and lose weight through exercise and diet (lost 20 kilos in 6 months). I still have an incurable disease but I have it under control and I am happier now than I have ever been. I had friends and family to help me but JP's voice gave me a huge motivation. Thankful everyday. Sorry long post, had go get it off my chest.
may i know if you still take painkillers? i sometimes suffer from a condition know as Tension myositis syndrome, some times use tramadol for relief, does the long term use of it has impacted you?
@@blp9182 I still do , but not as frequently as before. Maybe 1-2 ibuprofen every week whenever my joints ache when I wake up or before working out. But I'm fine for now. I take cold showers and work out every single day. I have an incurable disease that could relapse anytime so I'm not taking any chances.
I got off benzos a couple of years ago, slow titration ( reductions) in the community with the help and support of my local drug and alcohol service. It was the worst feeling mentally and physically - brutal ! but I wanted and needed to come off them. I then literally started glowing and I felt my energy return and this thing called life Hello! Well done much respect 🙌
@@vincentrusso4332 What is suboxone? I'm in England so haven't heard of this name. I was on Subutex for a while to come off methadone. Slow titration is the best way to come off any drug but I advise anyone not to do it alone reach out to your recovery community and please know it can be done 👍
Klonopin while causing dependence has made bad situations bearable though. But I regret building a multi year dependence. If you’ve never experienced benzo withdrawal you can’t imagine how afraid your mind can be when it’s been altered by chems long term, it’s semi brain damaging, sometimes permenant. JBP managed to really keep his composure through it all!
I was on Clonopin but I went back on alprazolam which is much more shorter half life and intense with drawls Klonopin is much more manageable as soon as I get the chance when he arrives from vacation I’m going back on the Clonopin the half-life is longer it’s an absolute strange medicine in regards with drawls
Started Benzo 3 years ago got addicted to opioids at the same time.. In recovery for a year now it feels like a marathon in hell .. The good point is that when we'll be out of this, the world will seem way much easier to deal with, all this suffering is making us stronger
@@arkarh1114 yeah generally you do feel like a champ when you beat it, but I came off of them in 2016 for two years and it almost literally killed me,and my dumb azz ends up going back when I felt all was lost smfh… A marathon in hell is exactly what it is, I already did it at 29 and don’t believe that I have the juice to run it again at 36. Whole different ballgame now… Are you off or still tapering just out of curiosity?
@@ejennings3128 I had a similar experience, during the confinement I did the first tapper, my peak was 15 bromazepam (the most popular Bdz in France) during this period I got down to 2 then relapsed .. This year tho after a third breakup for the same reasons I started taking this sober life way more seriously, now I'm at 2/day again, what got me last time was introducing weed to cope with the small amount of Benzo but I can't smoke with moderation so I end up taking way too much pills while being too stoned. I've cut the smoke and continue giving my everything until I'm fully sober so I can go live in the US without worrying about dying in the street off a laced pill
I have a friend whose downward spiral began with benzos. He was prescribed them for his PTSD after 2 tours in Afghanistan. He then began drinking heavily and went to opiate pills then heroin. Now he's on meth. He's a shadow of his former self. He's a skeleton. He OD'd a couple months ago but survived. The military has paid for his rehab several times before, but what I never understood is they will wean him off everything but the benzos. He stays clean a few months except for the Xanax then he starts the same cycle all over again. It's heartbreaking to watch someone you love destroy themselves, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
@@riaagarwal6840 it can help but it all starts in the mind. That's what's f***** up about the benzos is that they mess with the mind's chemistry. Most can never get to that place where you want to be a better healthier person. It seems impossible. I've never gotten into them but I have been addicted to opiates. They made me energized and I could think clearly on them so when it came to getting off of them, it was hard but easy. Hard in the sense that fentanyl is the worst drug I've ever come off but easy in the sense that my mind was clear enough I could make the decision. Oh and also I didn't die going cold turkey (DONT RECOMMEND IT) My girlfriend had a thyroid issue that cranked her bodies metabolism way up. They scheduled radioactive therapy so that her thyroid would go back to normal and regulate her body normally. In the 3-month window waiting for the procedure they prescribed her benzos to slow her down. A woman with the strongest mind of any human being I've ever met was becoming addicted. The funny thing is she came to me and said something. She could feel herself slipping down a hole she KNEW she could never climb out of. I knew it was a cry for help. I pulled that pill bottle back from her and slowly weaned her off with what she had. The dose she was prescribed was turning her into a zombie. After doing research and learning that alcohol and benzos are typically the only things that kill people on withdrawals, I was scared s***less. We used MJ as a replacement but don't think for a minute it could save someone who's in the depth of despair and been taking them for years. You literally need medical intervention. The only other drug more powerful is sold over the counter in almost every country in the world: Alcohol
Be there maybe when he's ready that's all you can do it's obvious he doesn't want this or he wouldn't stop at all not for few months but he will with friends like you get there in the end ✌️💯🙏⚡
I’ve been off of Xanax for 7 years. I was prescribed it after losing my father to suicide. Getting off of It was a long process. Prayers to those suffering from addiction. 🙏🏽
I agree about and also am living witness, along with most of my immediate family members who suffer from a form of immunological sickness/disease. Whenever pressure, stress occurs, it extremely lowers our immune system. And during our youth and early adulthood it only usually just causes us to get easily sick easier ( Colds, Flu, etc…) At those stages in life we usually bounce back and keep going like nothing. However over the duration of life and going thru multiple serious of drops in our immunity and recovery leads to the body, mind and soul to be overcome, overwhelmed and it’s recovery overextended that along with daily person effects and adversity leads to an endlessly enduring deep abysmal battles depression. And in which seemingly feels like those battles are not only never ending but also never able to have a winning outcome of that war. Also not being able to get a well and good rest of sleep and slumber is one of its main symptoms. You lay down and as time is passing your eyes are closed but not shut, no matter how much you try and force them to stay shut. That’s not even the worst of it. While your body is fighting to try and get the slightest bit of rest, your mind wonders to a million different events that have are and will take place in your life. All scenarios and alternate outcomes take place, multiple thoughts at the same time. Believe and trust me, the exhaustion of tiredness and not being able to get a peaceful sleep is worst then any hellishly Alphabet Agency’s ( CIA, FBI, NSA, DOD, etc..) and/or mid evil way of torture.
Jordan - I applaud you for your honesty with your depression & personal suffering with your wife's illness & how you suffered so badly with coming off Benzo's. I was given Adavan ( a Benzo ) by my OB/GYN after both my parents passed away & i was having panic attacks. It took me 2 rehabs, alot of AA, 8 mg to 2 mg > the 1st RehaB, and 2mg to 0 at 2nd reHab. I felt horrible for over 1 year. I had trouble putting a sentence together. Jordan, I get the sleep disorder, I am also a recent insomniac- I believe its partly hormonal and due to our age. I am 59.
The issue was never the Ativan, I take it everyday of my life and have for the past 5 years. The issue is that you were taking 8mg of it. I take 0.5mg once a day to manage my anxiety, sometime 1mg a day. I couldn’t imagine taking 16 times that. Everyone is different, but I can say that Ativan saved me from a really dark place. Sorry that you had to go to rehab for it, it’s a very powerful drug and you simply abused it.
Thanks. I lost both my parents also when I was 22, I’m 41 now and I still take benzo’s. Im gonna tray to taper off. Take .25 less per every 2 weeks so I can at least get down to .25 mg’s total per day from 2 mg’s per day. I’ve done this before and it worked. One time I tried to stop completely and I ended up in the hospital and almost died.
Xanax was what I was prescribed 2m x 3 a day. When I moved to another state I was ripped off of them. It took me a year to get back to myself. I was told Xanax remaps your brain.
About 10 years ago, I had eye surgery that I had to be awake for. I was freaking out about being awake, having my eyes clamped open, and having a laser cut away at my retina. The doctor prescribed a single Xanax, told me to take it about 30 minutes prior to the procedure. I took it when my wife drove me to the clinic. When we got there, I told her "Holy crap, I love this shit". Made me very mellow. I can see how and why people get addicted to it. Glad I only had the one.
It's like all the upsides of alcohol with none of the downsides... at least in the short term you don't get a hangover and feel ill the next day like alcohol and it doesn't attack your immune system like alcohol. If used responsibly they probably are healthier than alcohol. But lord knows how impossible it is to use those responsibly.
15 years 1 mg a night Ativan for sleep or if I was to travel or had a panic attack. Mostly just sleep and knew i couldn’t not take it. I had a few times where I thought I took it and then didn’t sleep all night with anxiety , racing brain, agitated sick only to find the pill left in my pill case or on the floor by my bed. In the morning. At that point, I realized how powerful this tiny little pill was. I’m now doing a very slow water taper. Headache has been non stop intense and I can’t get out of bed.
I was on klonpion for three years and the taper from it was the worst time of my life. I would get this primal fear feeling of pure terror that would last for days until I got use to the new dose and it would happen each time I lowered the dose. I've been through opiate withdrawal and amphetamine withdrawal, but the worst by far was benzo withdrawal.
The exact same thing happened to me Jordan. I was working 70 hours a week post separation from my wife and family. I was working so much to cover for my boss who had recently lost his wife and two years later his son to lymphoma. I did this for 5 years and at the end of it I landed in the hospital with 7% ejection fraction and on dialysis for kidney failure. Sleep and rest are no joke.
@@AtibaVV Yes you do. It's scary, but you already know what you're going to do. And you will. You've got this. You're not the first, and you won't be the last. You can, you will, you literally HAVE TO, or you will die before it's your time to go. And I can promise you, that you would be GREATLY missed. It's ok to be afraid. You cannot be brave without also being afraid. You are capable of giving 1,000% more effort than you believe you can. Belief is not a prerequisite. Just... do. You'll believe when it's done, and by then, it won't matter. Because by then you'll already know. By then, you will be a champion.
Why would you work like that for someone as your boss? You have a beautiful life you can make for yourself. DONT waste it on things such as "overtime" and "stepping up to the challenge." It can be nice here and there but you will always reflect back negatively on it.
Fentanyl coupled with klonopin and ambien withdrawal made me want to blow my head off. Scary battle that I feel like I’m finally getting some control of after 18 years of use. Clean for a year and sleep, muscle spasms and frequent panic attacks are getting better. The community and fellowship I desperately needed, I found in AA and also my baby boy saved my life. So glad there is someone like Joe to provide a platform and give voice to these problems so many folks are dealing with and making people aware that drug use isn’t a moral issue.
I was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis when I was 21, and have been in remission for over a decade. The thing that changed everything was a meat based diet, and limiting carbohydrate intake. All RA blood tests come back negative for RA factor, high inflammation indicators, etc. Auto-Immune disorders are becoming more prevalent - I hope JR keeps pushing that matter more heartily
In the same boat! I got off of Klonopin after seeing Jordan's reaction. I have RA and some other things going on that are autoimmune. I got off easy being on them for 10+ years but that is what I wanted.
I have RA, trying different diets did shit all. Got put on Tocilizumaub and it changed my life, inflammation is gone but left with a decade plus of joint destruction. Different strokes.
Its so nice to see Jordan peterson in good health again. It took me years but my room is almost clean.
Lmao mines almost clean too
Good job!
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if you think this guy is in good health.....lol
Me too.
I work for a company that helps people come off of medications. We have known for more than ten years that a Benzo withdrawal was comparable or even worse than a heroin withdrawal. If you quit cold turkey you may go into shock and cardiac arrest. One of the saddest client experiences was when a mother and her 8 year old came to us. His school counsellor mentioned that he was having problems with his attention and he seemed anxious in class. The boy was prescribed 3 different medications and two, TWO were benzos. Turns out that he wasn't sleeping well because he was being bullied by some older boys and he was fearful of recess and lunch because that's where they would corner him and that's all he could think about. This child had to go through the withdrawals that an adult should never have to experience, because some school counsellor thought that he needed drugs instead of looking for the root cause of the anxiety in the first place. What a world.
It’s not worse than a heroin withdrawal.
@@davidr6563 Maybe not for you. Every Body is different. And I have witnessed folks who should have gone through hell walk through quite well, and folks who should have had an easier time with other meds have a shit time getting through it. If you quit cold turkey you can go into shock and die, I've seen this in person.
@@nigel6956 I know which is why it was stupid of someone like Peterson to go cold turkey.
@@davidr6563 He's lucky he didn't take himself out, and everyone around him with him. I'm so happy that he's still here!
Nigel- what’s the name of the company you work for? My uncle is addicted to benzos for over 3 yrs and he’s been desperately trying tontaper off for 3 yrs now. Thank you so much!
17 years on Klonopin. I went through "disability" and my life was stolen. I'm 3 years benzo free. All pharma free. All "disability" reversed. I exercise and I eat for my mind. I'm changing my life at 54. Hardest thing I've ever done. Hands down!! 😔
How long after your taper did you start to "feel better?" Very curious. Thank you.
My dad was on Klonopin for 10-15 years he's been coming down step by step for the past year each time they would drop him down another step it would take about 2 weeks to feel the effects. He says its the worst thing he's been through hes 62. Worse than opiat withdrawal. He took his last dose of Klonopin about a week and a half ago and seems to be having the hardest time yet especially in the morning. How long did it take u to straighten out after your last dose?
Hey I’m proud of you brother. Keep on keeping on.
@@RachelJ444 I was on benzodiazepines for roughly 20 years. I tapered off of them 5 years ago. It’s a long process to taper, but worth it. I started to feel much about 2 months after taking my last dose.
@West Anna
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The psychological terror, the muscles spasms, the horrible depression, no sleep…
Benzodiazepines are hell on earth during withdrawals
During withdrawal, I had to go to ER. I had an Angelic experience during that time (during a dream)
I’ve been off benzodiazepines for years and appreciate life
So you were visited by an angelic being during a dream? Do you think it was a real spiritual experience or do you think it was just in your head? Thats interesting
@@Le-Monadehow long did you go with no sleep??
Thank you Dr. Peterson for being transparent and vulnerable about this difficulty recovery process. Hopefully more stories such as these will lead to more healing in the lives of others who are going through these same pains and struggles in isolation.
Hafeez is that you
He wasn't transparent though, he only came clean because he dramatically collapsed in public from withdrawals: If he had it his way, he'd still be telling millions of young men about clean living and the evils of cannabis as he secretly abused benzos and telling them depression can be cured with eating nothing but beef and salt (lolwtf)
@@TheTranceCartel nice caricature you conjured up to confirm your priors there, if you'd done the tiniest bit of research, you'd know that Jordan has discussed being on antidepressants for years now-even before he became world famous
@@Solidus__ Because being on antidepressants is evidence of some sort of moral failure ... or something ... 🥴
It would of been great if he unveiled this when he was making claims about his all meat diet lifting his depression…..it’s the little things
I was on Xanax and Clonazepam for 14 years. I was also addicted to oxycodone for 10 years. The benzos were hands down the worst to get off of. I've been off of opiates since June 22, 2018 and benzos since January 2017. While getting off of benzos I had multiple seizures and really thought I was going to die. When getting off of opiates I felt like I was going to die but knew I just had to ride it out. Thank you God for helping me through it all!
Stay strong Jason
Well done Jason
Same worse then heroin
You did it brother ! Good shit … I’m going through it now ..
God didn't help you... You did it yourself! Been there done that and it is a bs.. and also methadone and Buprenorphine is the worst
I'm a year off of 13 year dependency on xanax. I took it as prescribed which isn't how it was ment to be taken. It took me 7 years to get off. In the beginning I had no idea what I was up against. Neither did my doctors. I was told I was ultra sensitive and out of the norm. I had sooooo many debilitating withdrawal symptoms that at the time not one Dr. Put it together that what i was experiencing was extended withdrawal and an injured nervous system. Withdrawal effected every system in my body. I thought I had dome weird disease. I went to every specialist for answers and was laughed out of every Dr's office. Finally in 2020 I became aware of what I was fighting against. Literally the devil. I'm still healing, it will be life long. But I'm alive, I am one of the lucky ones. To anyone reading this going through this hell, you can do it, it gets better, you will heal.
Thank you for your words. I'm struggling with this.
Are you in connection with any support groups? They helped a lot. There are many on Facebook. Keep going even if it's one baby step at a time. Healing does happen it's just not as linear as most everything else.
@@cynthiabeldy4264 thank you Cynthia. Your words really touched me today. I'm praying about it. Have a blessed day and Thank you again ♥️💯🙏🕊️
A doctor rx'd Xanax 20 years ago for anxiety on my job. When I wanted her to rx'd more she refused and told me to do other things, like exercise, to deal with my anxiety and I never used it again. My point is that more doctors like her are needed. She saved my life by doing that and caring enough to educate me.
What about cold turkey WD symptoms??
She didn’t save your life bro you got lucky you weren’t on a high dose for long enough. Period.
@@turnip5359 no cold turkey symptoms that I remember
@@seanrounsley232 It wasn't 'luck' that the doctor was sensible enough to make the distinction between a *very* short term prescription and knowingly putting her patient on something addictive for the long-term. Ignorant comment. There is a world of difference between very short term use to get through a crisis situation and putting someone on something long-term and leaving them to spiral and decay into addiction and loss of control of their life.
I’m 55 months off benzodiazepines and still having disabling symptoms. I want to thank Dr. Peterson for telling his story and Joe for letting him. Hopefully someone will look into countering the effects as I only took the amount prescribed by my doctor (1mg Xanax XR)
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I'm 8 years off. Improved TONS but still altered
His story is bs and yours is too buddy, you’re not still having symptoms after 55 months.. man the lack of education on this subject is wild!!
You may have some long term memory issues but the benzos aren’t effecting you anymore bud.
@@Brandonthesnifferofall There's plenty of science out there that says otherwise. Don't deceive yourself
Im 4 years off of them, i was prescribed them when i was 16 and was told by the dr to take the 2 mg bars 3 times a day. It fucked me up pretty bad
To those who don't know, he developed a physical addiction to the benzodiazepines that he was prescribed by his doctor for anxiety. It tragically happens to millions of people around the world all the time. Now cynical people with an axe to grind say he's a junkie because he's in recovery, but the fact that he's taking control of his situation is, in my opinion, a demonstration that he is following his own advice. A "clean room" is a process, not an event.
Genuine question really need help not doctor hasn't been there help real help. So a car mounted a pavement and broke 3 ribs fractured femur and bleed on brain from unconscious. Anyway I live alone, there's a list of severity of breaks hairline, compound avlusion, spiral there's was about ten but because of the loss of consciousness I'm having memory issues. Anyway, mine was the worst almost snapped through. Because this is a pseudonym I'll be honest. I was so frightened of moving in the night it snapping piercing my lung and me dying in my own blood because I have no partner. So I've been battering them for a month and valour. Weirdly for what are proposed to be muscle relaxants a weird side effect was the removal of my abject fear (crying, I've only ever cried when my dog died but I was genuinely so scared I couldn't control my emotion). My question is "how long does it take to form a proper dependency on them?" I've completely stopped now. So scared I hired an escort to stay over next day it was "this is like a holiday for me, I have my own room with projector etc and you want nothing but my company, I'll half the price I'm even gonna have a deep clean for you". I'm thinking great. Anyway, she was just looking what I had and where, I woke up went into her room with a coffee she's not their but around £4000 of assets are stolen. She robbed me. I'm so low I never wanna take them again but please advise me what I'm in for. Please. Genuine request? 🙏
How does he not know that he should taper instead of cold turkey quitting? Not only that but his symptoms are exaggerated.
@@davidr6563 I don't know what his treatment plan was, nor is it any of my business. Whatever he did, he decided it for himself with his doctor's advice over the course of two years. As for his withdraw symptoms, I can only take his word, but one only needs to look at him to see he's been through something awful. That said, what he has described is consistent with what many others who have gone through it describe.
@@davis4555 he went to Russia to try an experimental therapy. Most people that try to get off them don’t have that luxury.
@@davidr6563 Good for him. It's unfortunate that more people don't have that option, but I won't hold it against him for doing what he thought best and that he had the means to pursue. I'm interested; do you know what the experimental treatment consisted of?
Joe… I was on Benzos for years for my anxiety. When I stopped taking them cold turkey… I went through 8 months of withdrawals in a constant state of Depersonalization and wanting to die. And now I have permanent Tinnitus in both years. Meds are not the answer.
you have a heart of gold They are extremely addictive I’m going to re-attempt to get off so I was on Clonopin and then it’s up working so the doctor insisted that I go back on Xanax which is much worse so I will go back on Clonopin again when he arrives back in six weeks from vacation and then from there Valium in my hear Whenever I withdraw it from the medication I noticed that my skin was extremely singed like my nerves did you have the same way
Dam 8 months is a lot
I have permanent tinnitus, after going cold turkey, for only 3 days (1 year ago). I couldn't sleep. I will now (1 year later) try to taper this med over 6 months. Fingers crossed.
@@Mega13green image a decade. months lol
@@barneyts Mines lasted for about 1 month and like 2 weeks
i started in 2010 and it took me 5 years coming on and off to finally stop taking them , the headaches are monumental, the feeling of not bein calm and relaxed its difficult to explain.
Dr. Peterson has been an enormous positive influence in my life, to the extent that I decided to pursue a degree in Psychology. 4 years later, here I am, now with a masters in Educational Psychology and currently working on a sports psychology doctorate.
So, benzodiazepines is an anti-anxiety drug? Is it possible that in 2017 when I gradually came down with CHF and hadn't slept in weeks because of huge anxiety that I might suffocate if I didn't stay propped up, and my nurse had mercy on me & gave me 1 tablet of something for anxiety that made me feel so wonderful I finally slept right through the night, and then, the next day, when I asked him what it was, so I'd know something that worked in case I ever experienced anxiety like that again, he refused to tell me what the medication was, even when I pleaded, just so I'd know what worked in that case. What do you think may have been the reason he refused to tell me the name of the medication? That it was perhaps something more addictive than benzodiazepine?
@@valerieann8007 it's your medical records. You should have received every single thing you took in the hospital in your discharge paperwork.
Knowing very little at all - about what really matters?! PHD, Masters, is all a-load- of-subscribing -'claptrap"?! Try this: thinking for yourself?! Common-sense?! You know...Savvy, intuition, not... One-dimensional-boring-academia?! Tosh! All of it.
@@valerieann8007 it could have been a benzo. Do you remember the shape and color? (Or the taste of the pill, even?)
I highly doubt a nurse would have given you pain medication (opiate), and considering how prevalent benzos are, and how effective they reduce anxiety that may be the case….
She may have even had a personal prescription and knew a single dose would help you sleep without any harm.
But that’s how addiction starts, by treating some symptom, and eventually the effects wear off as you become dependent…..So be careful, research, and don’t ever quit cold Turkey
@@Americansikkunt I only ever had the 1 pill. I think it was round and white, but a long time ago, and I'm not sure. The particular hospital was not that great and lacking in many things, made all the more clear when I got myself transferred to NYU LANGONE Tisch Hospital, which was at least 1,000 X's better, so I think he took pity on my anxiety, and the fact that he was a nurse is probably why he refused to tell me the name. I imagine he knew the doctor culture of the hospital would probably not okay it. Anyway, now I understand. Thanks for your reply!
FINALLY, People are talking about how NASTY and EVIL Benzodiazepines are. I fell in love with those at a young age due to how much they helped with my anxiety, depression and stress. These things seemed like a life saver at the time. But they quickly stop working and then leave you struggling for YEARS to get off of them. Now I am trying to maintain sobriety from benzos..
I am finally 6 months sober and I am seeing a new way to live life. Still struggling with severe rebound anxiety but it is getting better day by day. It’s just one day at a time, you can get sober! Thanks Jordan Peterson for talking about this.
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How many mg/day were you taking?
Went to prison, literally did not sleep 13 days straight as a result of being pulled off my psych meds (klonopin, gabapentin, and suboxone). Basically went through about 3 months of living hell (not from being locked up, but from the combined withdrawals). It was living hell and complete dogshit but it did make me strong. I just worked out constantly.
That's a fucking brutal combo dude, one that can also be potentially lethal by causing seizures. How were they legally allowed to take it away from you if you were prescribed it?
@@chaoticatmos1461 jail, they only allow you to have meds like that after a psychiatrist comes in and a board approves it - most of the time you don’t get it
The laws need to change then. No one should go through that as part of imprisonment
Amen to that. Absolutely annihilated my neurochemistry when I was 19 with xanax bars bought off of the silkroad, took 150 bars in about 2 weeks and gave myself severe anxiety & panic disorders. This summer I was arrested and went cold turkey after being on 1 gram of super pure fentanyl AND 80mg methadone taken daily. Opioid withdrawal is nowhere near as bad as Benzodiazepine withdrawal.
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I’m still recovering from benzos, it’s been about 2 years. It really has been pure hell, but it taught me so much about myself and the world around me.
Same here brother slowly but surely improving 🙏 almost two years for me too. Feel about 60%
@@sickotrillag4225effing crazy how long it takes.
You’re not ‘still recovering from benzos’ you’re dealing with the anxiety for which you took bezos for to begin with 🙄
Going on 5months with no benzos now. The first two months were torture. I’m feeling 90% back to normal now and am looking forward to getting my active lifestyle back and pushing through to the next chapter this year :)
Keep it up bro💪
@@davidatkinson5858 dude, that's a girl you're talking to
two months for a lifetime ...good deal
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Someone very close to me was addicted to opioids, Xanax, and alcohol for a long time. I hope everyone dealing with those demons finds the peace and strength to recover and come out on the other side better than ever. We all believe in you.
That’s such a kind comment ♥️
I agree with LEO, that's awesome to say. You know, for a long time I was not empathetic to people with problems like this. Then I had the problem. Now I keep addicts uppermost in my meditative mind daily, saying the same thing in my heart that you said, Ben. I used Yoga and some mantras and surfing and the endorphins I get from extreme physical training and breathing to get control of myself. I found a winning recipe. Now all I want to do is help others walking dark roads. You have a fine heart, I can tell. Aloha.
I spent 10 years on that stuff. Getting off that crap was the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life
Opiods and Xanax mix is fucking terrible withdrawals 😫😭 fuck that shit
It's simple don't try even once, why these aaaholes even consume when they know it's dangerous. Stupid
I'm studying nursing and this is helpful 🇨🇦👌
I found this video at the perfect time. My partner was addicted to benzos i guess worst than i even expected. He told me he stopped but now i see it’s not that easy. We went on vacation and not having any he went into withdrawal and psychosis. The craziest scariest thing i even witnessed in my life. The crazy outburst, the paranoia, the delusions, no sleep, he thought people were going to “k!ll him”, he was seeing things not there, he literally called the cops on himself on vacation! We were in the hospital on an island, he kept saying his stomach hurts which now i see is a symptom. I just thought maybe he took drugs and was dealing with paranoia and it will go away. It didn’t he was shaking, no appetite and the list goes on. I was so scared and couldn’t want to get back home! The plane ride was the worse! He thought everyone on the plane was after him, he kept telling me he had a “b0mb” on his foot, a lady was taking out an AirPod and he kept telling me “she’s shotting up! Look at her taking out the needle!”. I was so confused and over it. Now seeing how bad it can be i have sympathy. He was checked into the hospital ICU that’s how bad it was when they explained what the withdrawal symptoms can do. i say all this to say that sometimes we can make things about us because the whole time i argued with him for ruining MY trip, telling him i can’t wait to go home and leave him. And while yes, i do feel this way, i now understood what’s happening and it breaks my heart knowing what he was going thru. He didn’t mean to do these things or “ruin” the trip. I never knew benzos were this bad and i wish it was educated more so people would know the harm or signs to spot.
its great that you realize this and i hope you've told him the same thing you posted here. it is very hard to understand these things as someone who doesn't do drugs and the fact that you have reached a better understanding is good
You are a good person. It is one of those things that can hardly be understood unless God forbid, you go through it. It's a hell I would have never thought existed. Having gone through this myself, I feel terrible for anyone who had to be around me at the time, including my ex. I hope you are both doing well!
@@BlueHairScare can you tell me the symptoms how soon they start? Is some of it psychological?
@@rainmanj9978 withdrawal symptoms? It’s all dependent on the individual, their dosage, length of use etc, a lot of factors to answer that question more specifically.
It can be physiological as well as psychological
@@rainmanj9978 no it's not psychological but it plays on your feats and makes them unbelievable. Even when I knew it wasn't real it was so hard to convince myself it wasn't.
Insane timing. Just went from 2mg a day to .5 than to 0 yesterday. Went to take my cdl test and the anxiety wd kicked in so hard. Just took deep breaths and got tegu it. I passed!
FANTASTIC!!!!
Congrats! I'm proud of you honestly, keep up the good work!
Awesome news. Congrats on the cdl
well done!
Hell yeah
My dad was prescribed benzos for YEARS after having panic attacks. When he retired he decided he no longer needed the medication. He told his Dr he was just going to quit taking them. Dr. said "you can't. It could kill you". It took years for him to get normal. The weaning process was terrible. I watched a fit, alcohol & tobacco free man in his late 50s become a shell of his former self. My dad is 6'2" & normally around 210-20 lbs. During the prolonged weaning & withdrawal stages he dipped as low as 165lbs. He didn't sleep properly for years. He said even his hair hurt. Seriously, I bet it was over 2 if not closer to 3 years of withdrawal. Worst part was my dad took them as prescribed & nearly everywhere he went for help he was treated as an addict. "How long have you been abusing your medication?".
It was a shitty process & horrible to watch. I'm so glad he made it through it. Benzos are seriously bad stuff.
Thank you for sharing.
I woke up after a decade of alcohol abuse, and after years battling with any semblance of sobriety, years of destroyed relationships, health and legal issues, I couldn’t do it anymore. I didn’t even recognize myself anymore. I shaved my head and said it was over. (For the trillionth time).
I just knew there wasn’t anymore “breaks” from it. I was down so bad, I knew I couldn’t survive if I ever went back. Like looking out over the ocean from the banister of a boat out at sea. One slip and you’re gone.
It took me years of education, outpatient, AA and relationships with people who were addicted, to overcome this codependency that was ultimately masking my problems. When it comes up, i openly admit that I’m an alcoholic, it is not a unique struggle, as well as any addiction.
I never could picture a happy life without alcohol. But with it approaching 2 years on April 21st, I have had the best year and a half of my life. I’m sharing this because I want this peace for everyone battling with their addictions. So much time is burned up in alcohol and drug abuse. You finally have time to address your issues piece by piece, and finally invest in yourself. So grateful for the life I have today, and that all came from my past self, taking it day by day, for my future self.
You can do it! Just one more time.
Meanwhile the CEO's at Big Pharma are making tons of money.
Ooo
That's what pissed me off the most... being treated like the drug was something I asked for or for off the street when rather it was sold to me by a trusted doctor who said it had no side effects and non addictive
@@lrm52283 crazy when you think about,you have a health issue,psych prescribed you meds that make your body addicted to them over time and than when you want to come off all of the sudden they treat you like you just buy it of web or streets and did whatever with them,doctors should be responsible for prescribing it and not educating patients of dangers and addiction potential.
When i was around 16-17 i was prescribed Xanax but i searched articles and pharmacology behind it on web and thanks to that i have always taken break for days even weeks and never got addicted to it physically to the point of withdraw,few months later i quite them anyways cuz i wanted to try help manage my social anxiety other ways
.If i would not do some research myself i could end up in way worse mental state because my psych did not even warn at all of potential side effects or dangers neither my parents knew about dangers and possible side effects addiction and so on. Do your research always if you start any medication,by that i do not mean reading random articles online or forums but some objective basic pharmacology, addiction potential, side effects and so on
i'm 24 and i've developed a benzos dependency over the past year because it really helps with my anxiety. I breathe like a normal human when i take them every night,it's the only thing that puts me to sleep. I've recently increased my dosage and can't go day without it because it feels like death but at the same time i know i need to get off it because it's also been giving me nasty side-effects. I feel like a zombie and i struggle to put thoughts together, i used to have a great memory but everything's just foggy now. i also feel very suicidal at times,it just comes out of nowhere. i love life . i'm 24 and starting a very important phase in my life (Building my life,career etc.) I hope i get through this and this isn't the end for me. Got big ass dreams im chasing.
If you can, try to wean yourself off of them sooner rather than later as with all things the longer you do it the more of a habit it becomes. My mom has taken Xanax every night for 17 years and has always been are very emotional person and had many many mood swings. I’m worried about her and the last thing I want for you is to go through the same thing friend.
Stay strong you can do this. You will come out on the other side. It might be really lonely and scary and hard but there a life worth living on the other side. Let your dreams be bigger then the pain today brings. It will be okay.
Yeah, I wish I could get prescribed it, I’ve tried it before and I could literally feel the anxieties and depression I’ve been suffering from just leave my body. When I’m on xanax I actually feel happy, and feel like living life. Sober I just feel depressed, lethargic, and anxiety about everything constantly.
I’ve been taking prescribed benzodiazepines for 15 years and I’m 34. I’ve been on the same dose that entire time. You’re playing with fire by increasing your dose and running out of them. The ones on the streets are laced with fentanyl so just be careful man.
@@zynnertime1 Xanax won’t help you one bit, imagine how you feel now and times that by 10 when you are heavily dependant on benzos.
I have the utmost respect for Dr Peterson for his candid disclosure regarding his addiction to benzodiazapines. He is extremely brave.
yeha but he is lecturing people about life, but he is a drug addict.
People do not want to hear positive stories but I have to share mine. Honestly benzos have saved my life. I have extreme anxiety and they have allowed me to show up for work, sleep etc. Without them I would be self medicating with other drugs. Never suffered from withdrawal, but I have come off it many times by tapering. Jordan Peterson has even stated himself that has a rare reaction to benzos.
@@lewkirk821 There is therapeutic use and substance misuse. I have autoimmune disorders and was prescribed fentanyl & other very strong opioids. I became addicted. Not everyone does. I worked as an RN for over 20 years & saw the positive side of most medications. Even aspirin & vitamins should be used with caution.
He’s a liar. It’s been known for a loooooong time that Benzos are addictive and cause withdrawal. And don’t forget, the man is a doctor! He’s lying thru his teeth.
@GuyX 1 I'm going for my doctorate as well. Count me in the liar club too. That's eleven years of schooling beyond public school. That may be plain nuts.
I quit alcohol, and coming from a family of drinkers, on my mother's side, being a writer and artist, I feel for those who haven't been able to shake it. My body has started to reject it, so I don't drink really. Even a small beer doesn't do it for me. I don't like the feeling anymore, and I've had a hard life. Been homeless multiple times, and suffered financial loss. I hope those who have drinking issues resolve their lives. 🙇🏿♂️
my father is 55 years old and he is heavy drinker, every week from friday to monday. Heavy stuff like 2 liters of wine at one sip, than strong homemade alcohol. He is drinking i phases of 3 months and than 1 month break... We do not know how to help him... any advice how to talk to him about that ? He is person who is not sharing any feelings with anyone... he is drinking his whole life but this last 2 years are worst.
i've been an alcoholic for a few years now. feels like my body is starting to reject it too. sometimes i sneeze or get a stomach ache or something.
@@Renovatio2142 I hope he finds the energy to let it go. It can grab a hold of you, and numb you to pain, but if you don't talk with someone, or let it out with exercise or even a healthy scream, all that pain, along with the alcohol, can develop into serious problems. I hope he can find help.
Keep fighting bro. Keep ya head up.
Congratulations to you.
Love yourself and keep finding tools that help you on your journey.
Best to you from another survivor in Vancouver.
17 years sober and blessed.
I took 30 mg diazepam for about 12 years. Then I abruptly stopped thinking I didn’t need it anymore and had to go to the ER. They instructed me to go back on so I was taking 10 mg daily. It cost me my marriage as it was very very difficult. I then started taking 5 mg daily for 3 years. It was about 2 months ago I made a huge effort to get off these for good. I lowered my dosage by 1 mg every 2 weeks. You will feel it, for me it was mostly nausea and stomach pains, feeling like a zombie, but try to push through. Don’t feel bad if you have to go backwards your body just isn’t ready yet. Currently I’m at just 1 mg and my body has adjusted for the most part but we all have good days and bad ones. Remember that EVERYONE has good days and bad, not just us getting off benzos. I love you all ❤
If you don't mind I am also going through a tapering process of getting off of Xan's..... if you don't mind how did it cost you your marriage?
@@thencarolinaman1934 The withdrawals are different for different people and also depends greatly on how long you’ve been on the medication. Long story short you need a a strong support system and she would rather put me down then be there helping. I wish you the best. What is your current dosage you are taking?
Thanks for being you!
alcohol and benzos are hard to get off after years but you need to keep moving more and commit to optimal health and deal with all that extra energy and anxiety that your body will produce. Support groups are helpful
@@thencarolinaman1934 best 2 taper of with a long working benzo like valium because xanax is way stronger en totally diffrent in diazepam diazepam could stop seizures xanax totally not zero %
I had been on a very long drawn out benzo taper from 2017-2021. It was horrific but tapering at least helped me leave the house. Yes it took a long time, yes I’ve heard I’m just an addict from people who don’t understand. I think because I went so slow, I really didn’t have a hard time when I made the final jump, made the time worth it. When I found out JP had been on klonopin my heart sank. It’s a very strong benzo and can make people really sick while on them, let alone the terror of getting off. I am so happy this man made it through. It’s an extremely difficult feat and many people off themselves because of protracted w/ds.
Good for you. This is a misconception. Kolonopin just last longer. Nine ate stronger than the other
Thank you for your story of hope. I am happy you managed to get off benzos. They are an overprescribed drug with horrific consequences.
I wanted to ask you what resources, doctors etc. you relied on for the taper.
Unfortunately, in my country, doctors won't even ACKNOWLEDGE it's a problem. I once tried doing it alone, and went through literal HELL. I am terrified of goinf through that ordeal again.
I always come back to
This video. I was hooked on Xanax for 10 years, from the age of 18-28. Used to take 3 bars a day easily if not more. I can’t count all the stuff I did in those 10 years to push people away from me and make myself look like a complete fool. When I finally came to the point that I knew I needed to quit I tried many times but never could. Until one day, I don’t remember why, but I just stopped cold turkey. I had seizures I thought I was going to die but I’m here and I’m not hooked on that junk anymore and I can’t thank god enough thank you 🙏🏼
Thank you for sharing, very helpful for many people who are ready to get of valium etc.
Do you still get the seizures or have they stopped
I’m almost 30 and was prescribed 2MG three times a day since I was 17.. It’s been almost a year cutting my dose down. It’s been INCREDIBLY hard to get off of. I had a seizure just stopping when I was 19. Now I’m down to 1-1 1/2 MG a day now and pray for the day I don’t think about them
I was on klonopin like that too. It is horrible because how great it works and without it (if on it regularly), you feel HORRIBLE...
Exaxtly the same for me. Almost 32 and been taking benzos since I was 16.. had a seizure at 19. Didn't take anymore again until I was 22 and now it's been 10 years and I take 2mg once a day. Scared to stop because of withdrawals.
Edit: from 16 to 19 took them just willy nilly.. didn't know the dangers. When I started taking them again a few years later I only had a couple to get fucked up on. Got high for like a week and was so absolutely terrified of that seizure that I was scared even a week of me taking it and then stopping would give me another seizure,, even though I prob would've been fine and the rest is history. Only difference is I don't take them to get high anymore.
I was switched to Klonopin because the half-life. Then slowly dropped over two years
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I’ve seen so many close friends and family struggle with addiction to benzodiazepines. It’s very sad to see because it can literally break a person. Very glad to see dr Peterson back again. A blessing indeed
Excuse my ignore, but why (on average) would someone be prescribed benzodiazepine in your experience? Insomnia?
There the devil coming off them now taking a while
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Ive come off most drugs you can be addicted to and benzos was by far the worst. Dissociation, pain, unexplainable sensations, insomnia, delusions and pure terror. I got lucky and didn't have to deal with seizures but definitely felt like I was going to have one
When mom gave me Valium @ 14, it started me on a lifetime of benzo abuse. At 55, I'd had enough. Started a looong, slow, home detox, thought I was out of the woods until 2 weeks after quitting completely. Long story short, I became delusional, with audio hallucinations, totally psychotic for 4 months with no clue why.
Didn't realize It was because my brain chemistry was all discombobulated because I was, well, psychotic. Came out intact, finally thank God.
After 5 years, so grateful to have that monkey off my back.
Benzos aren't worth it.
gotta stick to cocaine bro
Good damn that scares me. That crap is I motherfucker
Thank the world I used to flush them shit . 😂😂😂😂 my doctor said I had bipolar and prescribed that shit to me 😊. The weird thing is I actually have asperger
Well of course you experienced a severe withdrawal syndrome, but this is not due to benzodiazepine , but due to your reckless decision-making. You built a 40+ year long dependence. Here, when I speak of dependence, I primarily mean in a psychological sense. You could not function properly without your medication, and it was your primary support system. Over time, of course, due to the nature of the human organism, this extended into the biological realm and your body adapted to this new neurochemical environment you-ve created. This also has nothing to do with benzos or any other medication : biological adaptation happens all the time at all levels of the human being (it-s an evolutionary mechanism for survival). For whatever reason, you decided to quit this medication, which has sustained you for the past 40 years. Then, just pay close attention to what you wrote in your comment: "I started a looong, slow, home detox, thought I was out of the woods until 2 weeks after quitting completely." So you attempted to cure a 40 year dependence with a HOME DETOX (this stinks of pseudoscientific garbage) , decided to quit essentially cold turkey (relative to the length of your dependence), and now think that what happened afterwards with you is a consequence of taking benzos? This kind of thinking is so flawed and dangerous: it reminds me of Germany thinking it can quit its dependence on Russian energy (which it sustained for decades) overnight, just because someone said so. You/ve made a huge mistake and ofc its easier to blame the medicine than to take personal accountability. These are my thoughts on this issue.
@@stanislavknezevic6684 awfully detailed response for someone who isn’t considering that this person developed a chemical dependence while their brain was literally still developing. You also aren’t looking at this person’s psychology or personal circumstance. How can you expect a developing child to know better than to abstain from a very powerful mind altering substance given to them at the hands of their own caregiver? You’re disregarding way too many factors in your argument for it to be even close to the full picture. What did you hope to accomplish by telling this person about what you perceive as solely their own mistake? Besides, they went through hell and came out the other end five years ago- no small feat. Many people don’t make it through what this person is describing. I didn’t take the medication for that many years but I did take it for 10 and the psychotic symptoms are very real. Consider the why this person was taking that medicine in the first place. Not everyone takes them, no? Something deeper is always going on with that individual that they need to literally turn the volume down on every part of their life to be able to tolerate it.
I could listen to these two talk for years. Hope to have many more for both of them.
I’ve kicked heroin and methadone at the same exact time and that was NOTHING compared to the hell I’m going through right now trying to kick benzodiazepines. It’s the most horrendous thing I’ve ever experienced by a mile and it’s taken me years and years of battling. I’m suicidal every second of every day, it’s terrifying. Everyone please be careful since they are prescribed like candy with no warnings. They are not meant for long term use but these doctors are putting profit before patients and just keep people on it. Thank you for spreading the word on this substance. Education is key
Damn I’m sorry man, I’ve never been dependent on benzos but I did become dependent on phenibut which is quite similar in many aspects. I had to taper off over a whole year and it was absolute hell. I’m still not “clean” from it as I take a very very low dose of gabapentin.
I’ve also kicked opiates quite a few times and while that is miserable, it’s not nearly as scary or as hard as phenibut. Good luck.
But they use benzo to get people off heroin and opioids.. the problem is there is nothing to get you off the benzos.
Good luck to you
Education is key. Well said
I just found this not sure if you will read this... I am still on a very mild dose of Clonazepam But I was taking Valium Clonazepam Diazepam & XANAX on top of Vik's ... same time.. All I did was SLEEP / On The Nod / Slobbering at my mouth not realizing it... Doc NEVER TOLD ME They were addictive EVER!!!! I was doing that for over 6 years... I went off cold turkey at first then to detox as My Panic Attacks were UNBEARABLE .... The withdraws were WORSE THAN CHILDBIRTH WORSE THAN ANYTHING I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED!!!! HORRENDOUS!!! Went to a detox center I had to WALK a Lot to keep my organs from shutting down they said... drink a bottle of water an hour... it got to the point I could not walk I could not pick up anything do anything I had to re-learn my motor skills all over they had to feed me.. I got where I could not walk but my tests were good with my heart etc .. THEY TOLD ME IN DETOX GETTING OFF BENZO'S IS WORSE THAN GETTING OFF HEROIN I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE BUT IT WAS HELL....... I AM ON CLONAZEPAM STILL LOW DOSE FOR MY TRAUMA/DV/SA ABUSE FLASHBACKS NIGHTMARES ... 3MG DIVIDED 3 TIMES A DAY ... IF I MISS MINE SAY A DOSE I START WITHDRAW ITS HORRIBLE!! I AM GOING TO TALK TO MY PSYCHIATRIST ABOUT WEANING ME BUT I AM TERRIFIED...... I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE THESE ......... I HOPE YOUR OK!!!! HUGS HUGS HUGSSSSSSSSS
This video alone made me quit this drug. My last taper was on May 25th, 2022 and I'm happy to say I feel great. It wasn't easy initially though, it was a living hell. People reading this who take it, you can do it!
That’s awesome man I’m trying to quit but it’s so hard
@@Saizos619 It'll be day by day. I would recommend herbal tea or CBD as you progress through it. Just know that you're not alone and many have made it through!
Thank you for the motivation pal, I'm in recovery from Benzo for a year now after 3 years of abuse, it's living hell just like you said but I know that I'll come out stronger !
I also started to mess with opioids at the peak of my addiction, my therapist is making me get off Bdz first I'm almost at the end, then I'll stop Subutex. At least the ladder takes 2 week instead of a year
Well done xx
Is buproden a benzos
I use to use a lot of Kolonopin. I cant say that there was and physical symptoms like you get from opiate withdrawal, but the mental anguish from benzo withdrawal is surreal. Hallucinations, hearing shit like your phone ringing when its not. Makes you really question your own sanity and when your a very confident man who was a Marine who never second guesses yourself it can be a very hard mental dilemma for you
Yeah man. It's insane.
Benzodiazepines, a devil pill, one that nearly took my life. The Dr’s kept pushing this as treatment as they thought my medical issues where all in my head. When in reality I had a rare neuromuscular disease along with ovarian tumors. By the time I had proper diagnosis my body was dependent on alprazolam. I was crawling on the floor in my kitchen one morning in a psychosis state from tolerance withdrawal. I had no idea what was going on, it hit me out of nowhere. I then found out what tolerance was and I was going in and out of withdrawal ON the benzo. My Dr was no help and wanted to up my dose and I knew if I didnt get off I would die. I researched online and found someone who lead me to the harms of the medication and proper tapering off and I mean strict tapering method and is approached by small percentage reductions to help the body adjust. It was torturous hell, like nothing remotely comes close to it, you wish you would die. The symptoms of withdrawal are on a level almost intolerable to what any human should have to endure and it takes sometimes years to recover to a point of living a life with any quality. There are thousands and thousands of people that are going through this, with little to no help and have to stumble upon help from ones that have been through it. Informed consent needs to be given to EVERYONE that is prescribed this and should never be given more then 2 weeks.
Can I ever convince you to share your story with others?
I have a nasty story myself. With an antidepressant though. Some antidepressants are just as horrific, but for some reason this isn’t as Known.
@Billy Billcatsavick this only proves on western medicine is backed by big pharma. Western culture needs to move away from the Chem pills. Nature is the key!
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I’ve been on Xanax for a couple years. Now I’m really screwed,cause I want to get off them.
Been on 1mg of clonazepam for 22 years. I’ve tried to get off multiple times but it’s a living hell. Going to start tapering off slowly starting today. Wish me luck
I wonder if you succeeded to be completely free at this point. I hope your life is good now!
As someone with constant chronic anxiety and depression and stress disorders - his "sickness" was more than likely an unfortunate symptom of chronic stress, which is your body is technically healthy to doctors, but it somehow also begins to feel like it's failing in little ways that they can't seem to test or prove. For me, I feel like I have some sort of terrible GI tract or anemia or something but everytime I ask them to test it, they tell me they can't find anything and it's probably stress.
Stress truly makes you feel like dog shit in every possible manifestation.
Yup, it's very clearly depression anxiety and huge stress, but the land refuses to accept it cause he would look "weak". That's what it looks like
Asymptomatic - no medical conclusion
Exactly the same here. Been hell for over a decade and it only gets worse. I have stopped all drugs for over a month and nothing improves. My stomach and psychological health is collapsed.
Mind over matter
Have you tried cognitive behaviour therapy?
getting of smoking and suger was my hard challenge
i cant even imagen going thro addictive drug , thanks for sharing the experience much respect for both of ya
I’m glad Dr. Peterson is doing well. He has been a blessing to us in these crazy times.
Ah.....blessing....such a strange word...never understood it
So glad he is slowly coming around to getting saved by Christ. his wife truly knows The Lord, he has always been too intellectual though and logic can get in the way of “faith” God wants us to believe without seeing , and then He will show us things we cannot even imagine and Him showing up in our life, thankfully He is still at work and does so even when we don’t realize it and aren’t believing !! He knows exactly how to get our hearts back to Him. ❤️🙏🏻🙌🏻
Blessing to some maybe. A disappointment to others.
@Russell's Brand faith isn’t logical 😉 that is why it is called “faith” how did any miracles occur in the bible, and still do today, faith is the clay so to speak God uses to mold miracles. He reacts to faith. Can you logically explain a super natural healing? The process of it, no just simply God does it , and is pure love and all powerful, it is sort of like Job thinking he had wisdom as a human… and God came to Him, chapters 38-41 challenging Job , ok if you think you know “anything” answer me this then, and they were questions NO human being can actually answer , because God is the creator of ALL ❤️
@Russell's Brand negative , The Lord saved me , wasn’t from a man but a super natural encounter myself ❤️ but yeah sadly most out there is “religion” no ty. I wasn’t saved in a church building nor did I grow up in it
I’m a benzo recovery coach, having been on them for 10 years, high dose. Took me four years to taper and recover. There’s a self sustaining mechanism in the recovery process that’s incredibly important to address.
Very happy to see Dr Peterson sharing his experience in a public forum. He has such a powerful voice, and his background in psychology is a massive plus. I hope he brings more awareness to this topic.
4 year taper, holy crap
Me too I've been on Benzos for 10 years myself now. I developed epilepsy as well a few years back which make it even more dangerous and hard for me to get off. I was on 50MGs a day. 10 years later I'm down to 10MGs a day! With a 7.5MG of Zimovane to sleep. I've been on the Zimovane the last 10 years as well!
I've been clean 11years on February 25/2022.
I love hearing about people beating addiction. 😁👍
I took Klonopin for 7 years and was cut off cold turkey. It took 2 years to have some sense of normalcy.
I used to eat a ton of bars every day for years and randomly went cold turkey. I swear I had hallucinations for a month straight. It was terrible
Alot of people hurt mentally I'm one and I need help rn professional I'll admit it... but could u imagine how deeply he felt.. he is educated in how to deal with and manage horrible situations, he is the definition of practice what u preach
Side note sorta to backtrack, I truly need help right now.. it's a shot in the dark but I'd do literally anything to have 1 session with Jordan
My doctor put me on them two months ago. After doing my own research and feeling like I was becoming dependent on them, I quit. Coke turkey. And even though I took them exactly as I prescribed, I still am going though withdrawal. Not nearly as bad as other. But it just shows that even a low dose for a few months will trap you in the throws of addiction. Stay strong everyone.
Same here, but I did a little research before getting them of I only took them as prescribed for a month, then started tapper them of gradually not slow enough I think, cause I was on 3g of alprazolam, I’m still tapering it’s have been 3 month of this hell and I’m still have a long way…. But I’m hopeful that better days will come… then I have the battle of getting of the antidepressants…. Trying to be positive in all of this. I hope you’re ok and off that poison for good
I've been on these for a bit more than 3 months. I didn't take them for 2 weeks and barely slept. I've been more depressed and apathetic than ever and I think these are the culprit. I have 7 mg left which I will taper and will never touch a pharmaceutical again.
This will easily be one of the most watched podcasts. I know I’ve been waiting years for this.
Idiots from around the world will commune with each other to assault their minds with a charlatan
It already is, what do you mean?
@@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 lol anything for some attention.
@@michaelwalker9575 instead of closing your mind and dismissing criticism with silly shallow prejudices why not understand what his critics are actually saying?
@@michaelwalker9575 you’re not the type to study anything I assume. You’re dull. Hence why you listen to the JRE podcast and can’t see through Jordan’s very shallow facade
He's been through so much in his personal life, and voluntarily puts up with more for the greater good of humanity. What a guy. Wishing him the best.
I guess he wasnt able anymore to stand the pressure of quoting his ghostwriter, he felt guilty ripping him off.
The greater good of humanity, like saving us all from the endless tyranny of pronouns. What a fucking charlatan.
@@zoroark65 cope "m'lady".
@@trevorclinton5692 Coping for what?
@@zoroark65 stay mad clown
Great program Joe! Years ago I met a person years ago who claimed to have been banished sort of speak in the province in which he resided in. We unfortunately we're at a shelter for the homeless and he was going through the same issues that Jorden was going threw. It's nice to know that there is help out there for people who seek it and I'm very glad that Jorden has overcame his dependency remarkably. Sometimes we have to be reminded that there is no magic pill. 😎👍
Always enlightening to hear Mr. Peterson Speak
For a majority of my life, I have been a drug addict. I managed to get off of it starting 2016. While in NA, I found Peterson. He's helped me. I'm nearly 6 years clean.
awesome
Stay strong. You can do it!
Super happy for you! Will be praying for you as you continue to stay on the right path.
Wow, good job
This video helps me to better understand my brother’s death from suicide. Outside stressors, sleep issues, anxiety, depression, and trying to drink less alcohol became a toxic combination. He was the only one allowed in the ER weeks before his death due to covid restrictions. The irony is he was too fearful to take what he was prescribed because he didn’t want to become addicted. He was very smart, funny, otherwise healthy, and loved his family dearly.
❤
Godbless you and your family, I hope the peace of God surrounds all of you. I can relate to what he went through. I’m so sorry for your loss.✝️💜💜💜
RIP to your bro.
There is hope. Seek help for these kind of intrusive thoughts. Seek support. You are strong enough. You are valued. You are worth it.
As a fellow addict to benzos alcohol opioids and amphetamines who has gone through multiple overdoses, detoxes, relapses, clean periods, etc...
My heart mourns for the people currently silent suffering 💜💜💜💜
I love Jordan Peterson.
The way he thinks and communicates his ideas ..
Amazing
Def someone to look up to for his intellect and way of analyzing
It must be faith. This man touches on so many things that are real for me too and simply speaks facts and challenges wrongs in this world. In 2016 I was severely depressed like him too, nearly ended me. To then hear him speak about it like this and at the same time helping people overcome things through his own genuine experiences in life really makes me feel I'm connected to him.
Him and Elon Musk seem to be saving humanity one youtuber at a time. Glad you decided to stick around a while longer GJNA
@@Rick-the-Swift lmao
@@decypher0815 some people are blind lol
I really do pray for all of you stuck on these meds. I can only imagine how awful it must feel to want to get off of them but can't because of the side effects. I love Jordan Peterson and I'd be absolutely devastated if anything were to happen to him.
I would be devastated as well ! 100 percent
I take Klonopin and have been for 15+ years and I never had too difficult a time getting off. It's not the same as Xanax but close. Everyone is different
I wish I could get on them.
The only time that I ever even want to be alive is when I can get my hands on them.
Any med can be hard to get off of..I did heroin for 8 years lost a bunch of friends it wasn't till I went to jail and dried out cold turkey that I got it
Depends on how much you take daily. But yeah you can literally go insane and/or die from the withdrawal.
When I was getting off xanax the withdrawals are unimaginable, I was hallucinating and thinking my dreams I was having was actually really happening in real life. I couldn't tell what reality was
Had the same experience was the most frightening thing that’s happened to me, can still recall the “dreams” to this day
I remember at night trying to go to sleep and would hear a full on brass orchestra playing clear as day outside of my window. While I knew that it was the WD, it was so damn vivid I kept asking my girl if she heard it. Wild stuff indeed. Hated going to sleep cause it was like the minute I closed my eyes I had intense closed eye visuals and it would be like watching a movie that is say 10 fps and I would see a sharp clear image then something completely different immediately after (like an extremely quick moving slideshow). Kinda like you lose control of your free will to think/have thoughts
I use to feel these sort of brain zaps and it would feel like I was being shocked and was just in a haze. Took me 4 months to fully get over withdrawals
I developed suicidal thoughts after coming off of Prednisone. My doc prescribed me Xanax, Paxil and Wellbutrin. Interestingly enough, I had no issues getting off those meds after 6 months of use. I had no idea Xanax could be this dangerous. I’m so sorry for those who had horrible withdrawals.
No good at all
Love your podcast Joe! Jordan Peterson you are truly an inspiration and an amazing person. So glad to see that you’re better!
You are such an inspiration JP !!! Seriously ON3 of a kind .... iii thank God iii stumbled across you more than 3ish years ago NOW ☆ without that stumble iii truly believe I'd be dead by NOW ♡
I kicked Benzos and methadone at the same time, it about killed me. The experiences from that whole time and successful in getting clean has gave me more wisdom than anyone could ever imagine. It's a very hard thing and I have lost the majority my friends to such things. I hope no one ever makes these mistakes but they are priceless.
I kicked methadone cold turkey about 10 years ago at 150mg after being on it constantly for 5 years. My God… 6 weeks of pure insomnia and that was the easy part. I don’t wish that hell on anyone.
Thats crazy, you're lucky to be alive.
Were you prescribed those 2 substances by a doctor or were you getting them on the streets? Sound extremely irresponsible for a doctor to prescribe those. I have a handful of friends that are dead from that combination. I myself was on methadone for about 7 years and that drug was the worst drug I've ever done and that industry needs better regulations bc those clinics are just drug dealers with government approval
I kicked benzos, it wasn't easy, but freaking Cymbalta given to me for connective issue pain was way worse for me... made me suicidal and physically nearly bed ridden for months
By the time you get on the other side of the benzo detox that methadone detox sets in.
I knew a lady who was detoxing off benzos and couldnt sleep for almost a month. It makes heroin detox look like childs play. I cant believe Jordan was addicted benzos and its even more unbelievable that hes off of them. This whole story is unreal. Benzos and opiods detox is one of the most painful and dreadful experiences anybody can go thru. I dont even wish it on my enemies. Much props to the doctor.
You don't sleep kicking Heroin either for better than a month, then for over a year you go through detox intermittently. I've kicked both and Drinking... I'm a mess. Not trying to down play it.
@@hogrotten6897 I was on both for over ten years. I can say opiate withdrawals are agonizing, but benzo withdrawals are just plain scary. You know what to expect with opiate withdrawals, but having seizures from benzos is a whole different level of suck.
(Fwiw methadone is even worse than H or most opiates if you go on a high dose for years, getting patients hooked on that stuff is even worse than the drugs it's meant to replace much of the time)
I wouldn't say it makes heroin withdraws look like child's play. That's a gross misrepresentation. It's basically the same except one gives you seizures (the part that can kill you) and the other doesn't.
I went into precipitated withdraws the other day... And this was the worst I'd ever gotten them. Like... My head was spinning and I could hardly see straight. The rock solid poops were all of a sudden not solid and flying out of me I couldn't stop sweating... That sucked man. How fast I went from feeling bad, to omg what am I going to do I literally cannot do this bad was amazing honestly.
Yup sleeping is a bitch especially when your addicted to benzos and pk’s. I’m 3 years sober from suboxone and benzos and couldn’t really sleep for a few months. I went cold turkey and I’ll never ever go back, worst experience off my life and I went through cancer and lost my leg as a teenager. Going cold turkey and withdrawals were worse
Edit: just remembered I was still prescribed to gabapentin so that probably helped a little bit, especially with seizure scares
Lorazapam saved my life for 20 years and I got off them by slowly withdrawing for about eight months. You people cannot judge everybody by yourselves. I am Grateful for them. 😊❤
Psychedelic’s definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it’s just so hard to source here
Psychedelics are the reason why i didn’t take my life when i was at my end. I was stripped of my ego and saw the beauty of life and interconnectivity and even though i still battle anxiety and depression, I’m doing better everyday and will never think in such a self destructive way again.
LSD and mushrooms completely changed my whole outlook on life. I became a better version of myself
This experience gave me a lot of confidence about my self and my body. A bunch of bad thought / behavior patterns were broken. One of these was pretty bad OCD that made me wash my hands a lot. It gave me a lot of hope that things will be fine, this is the one thing that I heard throughout the trip: Everything is alright. The main reason for the trip was my severe depression and it definitely helped me (although it's not gone). Before all I could do was lay in bed. Now I am trying to rebuild my life one step at a time which wasn't possible before."
[_James_tray]
Got psychs
@@sarahh321 Where to search?? Is it IG?
Last year, I took shrooms at Las Vegas thinking it was going to hit like an edible or something. Shit was scary at first but amazing once you start getting deeper into your thoughts
Seeing him on your show again was something I prayed for while he was sick. ✨ This interview means a lot to me.
2 of my favorite people
Me too!!! I just felt called to ask Him for this and desired it for the good I perceived could come from it. Glad to here others were too! ❤
Lol
You and me both. I was actually starting to get pissed with JRE for not having jordan back on after recovery
Two men obsessed with helping us with our mental and physical fitness. Great people.
I thought he never spoke about this. Much respect to the man, he can really help a lot of people this way
When he came out on top of the addiction he went on his daughters podcast and opened up on the subject completely. Don't remember the name of her podcast but you should look it up! Cheers to your health Myrzghe
@@treynewsom1817 Mikhaila Peterson Podcast
8:04 my god i can totally relate. The mornings are the worst., pure hell.
Good to see Dr. Peterson back to good health and fitness again.
I've been taking a prescribed benzodiazepine for three weeks - I knew it had teeth to it but hadn't heard about the problems of long term use.
Sleep deprivation on a regular basis is a truly terrible state to experience.
So too is anxiety.
I'm not sure humans were meant to enjoy life and prosper - that may be a false bubble world which can get so real it then seems as if it's a default state.
But there will be and are moments and times to appreciate and enjoy and saviour - we tend to take those times for granted, though.
Humanity was born to suffer but survive - it's not supposed to be easy and enjoyable - it's supposed to hurt.
That's my two cents worth, what do I know anyway ?
You should be able to taper off the benzos relatively easy and you could take any of these anti-depressants; remeron, elavil, trazadone, serquel, by themselves to sleep soundly.
I've been through hell and back with benzos & sleeping pills like Halcion, Lunesta, Ambien, Valium, Klonopin, Xanax, and after 25 years, i'm finally free from all of these drugs and i sleep 7 hours and feel great in the morning. Benzos are harder than opiates to get off of because of the brutal rebound insomnia, in which i had to take off 2 years of work because i had trouble sleeping more than 2 hours per night. The longer that you take benzos the harder it will be to taper off of them.
At 8:25, when Jordan closes his eyes for a few seconds, you can feel his heartbreak as he speaks about his wife. What a mountain of a man. I’m glad he’s doing better. We’re lucky he’s on Earth to share his wisdom.
Being a person who has suffered first hand from PTSD and anxiety. I can totally relate to Jordan not being able to sleep. When you are going through an anxiety attack, you may wake up many times throughout the night in a puddle of sweat. Or you simply just can't sleep. Because your mind is racing. At first you totally don't understand what's going on with you. There were times I had to just go for a drive. Whether it was during the day, or the middle of the night. Because it helped ease my mind. Once you start to manage it better, it gets easier. But sometimes you're overwhelmed to the point to where you just aren't thinking clearly and you try to look for an escape. That escape could be drinking, or drugs. Or it could be what I used to do and go to various parks to hike, going to a school track to run, or simply going for a drive to try to calm down. Hats off to those who suffered the same way. I understand completely how you feel. At times you just want to live like it's your last day on earth. Because you feel so awful and miserable and like it could really be your last day on earth. Just keep moving forward, even if it's a crawl. When you look back, you'll be proud about how far you have came and what you overcame while having to suffer so much and it not defeating you. I'll take physical pain over mental pain any day. Those who know what I'm talking about would more than likely tell you the same.
Yes, my mind races as well.
Same mate
I can’t Articulate the words to tell people how it feels .
Smoke Pot . A lot of it. It helps.
It is very terrible if you cant sleep and dont get enough sleep, because you are alredy mental fked but without sleep you are even more.
I highly recommend the books by Dr Claire Weeks. They saw me through many dark days. Its a long road back, but as you say, tiny steps.
I'm a nurse in the UK and It's rare for them to be given long term here because they are so hard to get off. They are given for acute severe anxiety and withdrawal for alcohol for one week only.
I love Rogan and Peterson, Tyson is great too,.,.. everytime they make my day!
So glad to learnt that Dr Jordan is doing well. Many people tried to humiliate him publicly and that’s most people’s worst nightmare. He came out of all of that invictus. Wishing him and his family a great life ❤️❤️
It's so important for people like Jordan Peterson to talk about addiction and it's horrible effects and struggles. One of the worst parts of addiction is trying to get someone to understand it it's the most frustrating thing and you never feel like you're really being believed like it's all just some game to get more drugs. Invisible chains.
What's sad is that with benzos most people get hooked without even knowing it. If you take opiates or heroin recreationnaly you will get addicted but you know you caused it to yourself, it was somewhat of a choice, whereas with benzos doctors prescribe them like candies to millions of people without telling them once that it's a substance with one of the worst withdrawals you can imagine, and people end up getting horribly addicted to something they thought was going to help them because they trust their doctor
I’ve been on Ativan 1mg for 6 years, I’ve weened off a number of times with little to no side effects. ALTHOUGH I should state, thankfully I was never prescribed daily at most it was 15 a month so it was just for panic attacks, I’m currently receiving 12 a month but have a bunch stockpiled because I don’t really have panic attacks anymore but I will say I think people when stating how horrific and dangerous and evil it is to come of these things should state their dosage and other relevant info because there’s people that take this stuff for 40 + years and it works wonderfully, they are something you should only take if needed but if they work, you take em safely and there’s no issues then what’s the problem? I don’t know, when I came across these videos I could imagine people looking to come off them (who I’m assuming are anxious people) reading these comments and hearing these stories without context would be terrifying
I'm so, absolutely so in love with Jordan Peterson and appreciate his existence in this world every day. 🧡
I'm glad he's back and healthy again.
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Son unos de los mejores conciertos , no puede ir pero de tan solo verlos desde pantalla, se que estuvo sorprendente
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I’m so glad to see this topic getting the attention it needs. Medicines like this can be amazing but there is always a cost/benefit and risk/reward analysis for each person to make... and it’s impossible to make a realistic measure of this without the correct and nuanced data.
Think also eating some vegetables might help him. You know? natures medicine?
Yeah so I had the same problem. I went with melatonin tho. This dude went straight to heroine. Like c'mon man. You suppose to be better than that.
Listening to this podcast as a former benzo addict I’m pretty sure he’s still on it
Love your channel dude I’m clean off opiates now you helped a lot thank you!
Glad they’re scratching the surface but wish the information was more accurate. Benzo‘s have been available since the 50s and have been handed out like TicTac‘s for the better part of 40 years.. To say that we are just now learning the dangers of these medications isn’t true as Heather Ashton wrote the Bible on benzodiazepines and successfully dealt with the epidemics problem in the UK before it was a widespread problem in the US mid 80’s. They cause long-term CNS and GABA injury which is something the manufacturers at Roche and other pharmaceutical manufacturers have shown internal documents from the 70s… That’s why they’re only recommended to be taken for a few weeks at most. Also need to differentiate between chemical dependency and addiction as the DSM does. Lots of people people saying he was “addicted” and calling him an addict. He was prescribed the medication for sleep and became chemically dependent, he didn’t seek it out as a means to escape or cope with life pain, big difference.
Such a dice roll. I’ve taken clonazepam 1-2mg for years. Stopped due to wfh and had, at worst, bad sleep and a few hand tremors and that was it. Could have also been due to the large quantities of caffeine I was ironically consuming post getting off anxiety meds. Unfortunately going back to work resulted me in taking it again. But a couple times per week. It’s amazing how differently people react from almost nothing to near death
I'm just starting my taper... the pharmacist suggested a slow process spread over 10-12 months
@@tinamorena3569 good luck!
@@tinamorena3569 how many mg doya take daily?
@@erenix3909 1 mg
Facts I didn't even experienced too much withadraws after getting off 6-8 mg Xanax daily maybe because of my molly and weed addiction
Love to hear it man!!! anybody else struggling with Xanax addiction I love you and hope you recover soon we don't need to lose anybody else stay safe ❤️❤️ 💯
3 months clean off klonopin, what a terrifying journey it's been. Hope to be on the up and out.
It does get better.
May Wakan Tanka be on your side ;)
You got this man! It’s poison keep up the battle
Good luck brother I just came off a year-long benzo binge. At my worst I was taking 28mg of alprazolam a day, buying it online from WHM. I tapered to 1.5mg a day and it was hell for over 2 months even going down so much. Still aint right from it but if I can do it, anyone can. Wishing you the best.
You got this~
Genuine question really need help not doctor hasn't been there help real help. So a car mounted a pavement and broke 3 rubs fractured femur and bleed on brain from unconscious. Anyway I live alone, there's a list of severity hairline, compound avlusion, spiral there's was about ten but because of the loss of consciousness I'm having memory issues. Anyway, mine was the worst almost snapped through. Because this is pseudonym I'll be honest. I was so frightened of moving in the night it snapping piercing my lung and me dying in my own blood because I have no partner. So I've been battering them for a month and valour. Weirdly for what are proposed to be muscle relaxants a weird side effect was the removal of my abject fear (crying, I've only ever cried when my dog died but I was genuinely so scared I couldn't control my emotion). My question is "how long does it take to form a proper dependency on them?" I've completely stopped now. So scared I hired an escort to stay over next day it was "this is like a holiday for me, I have my own room with projector etc and you want nothing but my company, I'll half the price I'm even gonna have a deep clean for you". I'm thinking great. Anyway, she was just looking what I had and where, I woke up went into her room with a coffee she's not their bur around £4000 of assets are stolen. She robbed me. I'm so low I never wanna take them again but please advise me what I'm in for. Please. Genuine request? 🙏
In my teens, I remember being in an inhouse rehab that I stayed in for a week. I had my own room, but on both sides of the room I shared walls with one guy in his 30's coming off of benzos on one end and the other an older gentleman coming off opiods. 4 out of 7 nights I stayed awake, listening to what I can only describe as pure agony, screaming, crying, begging, praying, wishing for death etc, until, eventually, they'd either pass out or just go shower and go on about the day as if nothing happened. I pray they found that strength, the younger guy was a great guitarist and the older guy was genuinely kind and taught me some things. Anyone who knows the struggle my heart is with you. Tomorrow's always a new day.
[Edit] : Thank you to those of you in the comments (both under my comment and in general) who've shared your story or part of it and, may I say, I'm so fucking happy people see the medical malpractice, revolving door like practices and countless "Oh let's try this other addictive drug to make you stop doing the other addictive drugs" I had to deal with. Makes me feel less crazy. 6 years clean and counting. Keep going guys, it sucks donkey ass, but damn imagine how much poorer I'd be if I was still on the stuff and things I was on. God bless
Love you!
The world needs more people like you putting out positivity like this. It is a struggle whether or not who you are I wouldn't wish that kind of pain withdrawal which i've been through I now have 7 years clean on anyone. We're all on this thing called life together
@@joejuice171 you couldn't of said it better bro. God bless you keep your head up and hopefully we meet one day. Love you friend!
Been there.
Cold turkey is rough. Staying on it is even rougher.
Psoas muscle work was like a light switch for the ultra agonizing high anxiety of cold turkeying benzos.
@@MrSidMan what is plans bro
I can concur. Quitting Xanax to,quickly was hell on earth for over a year. I was only on a small dose and I experienced paradoxical reaction.and my attempt at quitting was worse than death. I,actually considered ending it all. The Ashton manual saved me. I had to crossover to Valium and did a two year taper. Just wanted to say i am now well and healed so,there is hope
Grip strength is key To know if your healthy or if you're losing muscle
I'm 27 been smoking for 12 years drinking for 10 and I was introduced to Opioids about 3 years ago, recently I made the bad decision of mixing the whole three and abusing the shit out of these substances on one occasion, I had a seizure as a result of the overdose, I felt like I've died for several minutes a then came back to life, It was a wake-up call for me to quit being in that loophole. I stopped cold turkey and it was the hardest thing I've done in my life, everyone talks about the emotional and mental difficulty of the withdrawals but the physical part is rarely addressed, fever, nausea, headache, dizziness, vertigo, shortness of breath, heartache and elevated heart palpitation rate I swear for about a week it felt like my brain was failing to control parts of my body, mainly hands and legs I literally had difficulty walking, I couldn't perform my job because I couldn't type on the computer also. I've had a few relapses but it only made the recovering more difficult so I'm 3 months clean now. I think I've said too much but anyway, this is my story that nobody actually knows about but me, THE FIGHT CONTINUES BUT VICTORY IS CERTAIN.
Reading your comment made me think about 2 music videos: Angels and Withdrawals, by Tom Macdonald. Moving and intense. Worth a look when you feel alone
Fuck yeah, friend. KEEP GOING.
You got this
It is a hard journey. Hang in there !!!!!!!
Count yourself lucky you're hear. That shock to get your shit together will wear off soonish. Starts with beers. I've been sober many years and ended up in a coma after an injury and helpful docs. Go help some people and get some support. Also you are on the other side now, in that you have zero tolerance. Even if you think you will be careful I would still bet money you OD. You are still young. One of the benefits of hard drugs. You either get sick of them super fast or die. You have a great chance of living a happier life and you're past the half way point of going the day with out a craving. Erase those numbers if you're holding them. You got this and remember addiction comes from the greek word adictus meaning slave. After a decade now I can tell you it's pretty great to be Free. I'm one of the lucky ones. I help out a family friend with chores and her daughter died at 19. It's no joke. Proud of you man. Since you made it past the 3 week mark you have a really great shot. Most don't make it 5 days with out some help.
Thanks to Jordan's transparency on benzos millions of people got the essential knowledge that can save them from a lot of misery in the future. Thank You Jordan
@Bird Dawg Your logic is great, I bet you know everything there is to know just because information about things is available.
People aren't allowed to question since covid time :)
@Bird Dawg Are you sure every doctor prescribing benzos goes out of his/her way to make sure patients know how severe dependancy can be, and how excruciating quitting is? Don't you think Jordan sharing his experience will make people think twice before taking the med? I don't understand why what he says bothers you so much, how do you know what he's been told by a doctor who gave him the meds?
The experience I had from quitting benzos cold turkey rivaled the psychedelic experiences I've had, actually blown most of them out of the water because I didn't know when it would stop and my sense of reality went away in the sense of knowing where I was at and who I was around, the delirium brought on by sleep depravation really exacerbated things. Not to mention what I think are permanent changes.
I will say you have detoxed from benzos. Yes, I've taken LSD in higj school and it was a very pleasant break with reality. The benzo cold turkey was ever bit of dantes inferno and a morgue and a raw sewage tank stirred into the absolutely worst most fucking intense negative hell I cannot even explain to others it was so bad. All I know is that I am not strong enough mentally to ever endure even one fifth of my benzo detox again. They say some never come back to full sanity. I can see this, I am not even close to who I was before, my psychic energy was all burnt afterwards. I am typing this to you because I've never heard anyone else explain as well what I endured as you have in your comment. Stay off of them buddy. My torture was so bad I cursed a general practice Dr. last year who offered me a script of xanax " since I complained of anxiety due to being forced off work during Covid and my friends seemed to be dying from Covid". I apologized but I told him my story and I also told him if he actually deserved that diploma I pointed to on his wall that he would never ever start a person on those damned things unless they are dying of cancer very soon. Anything other than terminal cancer anxiety and benzos scripts are the most common form of medical malpractice committed in the western world
As a guy whose been thru and beat a decade long fentanyl/opiate addiction, I know the darkness of it all. But there is always hope. I say this because your life/world/universe can change in ways measure that you've never conceived of. There are ways out of your problems that have never even crossed your mind. Life is so much better on the other side. I wish you all the best and the strength and courage to make it thru the worst. Cheers from 🇨🇦✌️
I get what your trying to say but please stay in your lane, Opiates are soft compared to Benzodiazepines in every single way.. You know your own darkness which hey I congratulate you for making it through but benzodiazepines is in another league. There's 5 categories which makes benzos way worse.
1) Duration of recovery: With Opiates withdrawal is over in 2 weeks to a month on average... That's cute. The average length of benzo recovery is between 9-18 months with symptoms... I'll say that again, with symptoms for up to 18 months. Don't worry it gets worse, 10-15% develop Protracted withdrawal which can last up to 10 years with symptoms that keeps changing... I'm currently on year 7 with 212 symptoms documented... Trust me
opiate withdrawal would be heaven.
2) Symptoms The symptoms of opiate withdrawal are flue like, Hot/cold, poor cognitive ability, nasty sweats, increased anxiety, fatigue, muscle and joint paint... That's cute. With Benzodiazepines Prof Heather Ashton documented 90+, can you imagine 90+ symptoms from muscle symptoms, neurological symptoms such as losing the ability to walk, speak or think? Cognitive abilities are just gone... Most forget their age, visual and perceptional issues... Can you imagine losing eye sight for a large portion of the day only to live in fear of losing your eye sight for good? Akathisia or the suicide disease to insomnia for months only living on micro sleep? Trust me Opiate withdrawal is nothing compared to benzos.
3) lack of medical awareness: With opiates you have rehab or detox services along with a medical community that understands you... Guess what we have? Nothing, Benzodiazepines was created by Leo H Sternbach in 1955,brought to the market in 1960...since then there's only one study that's it, the medical community doesn't recognize benzo withdrawal we only have support from online groups. I want you to think about... You've been taught your whole life that doctors can help you but what happens when you're having weird symptoms no test can show? And this community of medical experts not only dismisses your cries, but calls you crazy, calls you a trouble maker and pushes you on other doctors making you feel worse. And when you do listen to them and detox the way they've been taught, you get worse as tapering needs to be as long as 3 years but most medical professionals try getting you off the benzo in a month as every other drug works the same so why not benzos right
4)loss of hope: Try being bedbound for years... You will lose hope I don't care who you are it all sinks in how helpless you've become. We lost 24 people in our community last month
5) Loss:besides loss of life, if you're disabled for as long as we are, you lose family, friends, relationships, job and financial situation the list goes on and on
Again I get what your saying but you're darkness compared to ours isn't in the same park, the worst thing that can happen to a opiate addict is loss of life which I'm not down playing how awful that is because it is, lose of life should never happen but the worst thing that could happen to benzo users mind you according to Benzodiazepine information coalition 98% used their medication as prescribed and were hurt, but the worst thing that can happen to us is no longer being able to live a life, we become disabled trapped in a body that's falling apart and no one can help. Please don't comment on things you don't understand.
I was addicted to painkillers because of my severe auto immune condition (psoriatic arthritis). For a long time I had to rely on painkillers and couldn't live without them and ointments. That and I was overweight ,lazy and depressed all the time. Too lazy even to put my clothes in laundry. One day decided to clean my room and lose weight through exercise and diet (lost 20 kilos in 6 months). I still have an incurable disease but I have it under control and I am happier now than I have ever been. I had friends and family to help me but JP's voice gave me a huge motivation. Thankful everyday. Sorry long post, had go get it off my chest.
Have you looked into Low carb/Keto/Carnivore? People have been helped.❤️
Stay strong!
may i know if you still take painkillers? i sometimes suffer from a condition know as Tension myositis syndrome, some times use tramadol for relief, does the long term use of it has impacted you?
@@LarsTragel-zh7ei get psychological treatment bro, instead of dumping frustrations in youtube.
@@blp9182 I still do , but not as frequently as before. Maybe 1-2 ibuprofen every week whenever my joints ache when I wake up or before working out. But I'm fine for now. I take cold showers and work out every single day. I have an incurable disease that could relapse anytime so I'm not taking any chances.
I got off benzos a couple of years ago, slow titration ( reductions) in the community with the help and support of my local drug and alcohol service. It was the worst feeling mentally and physically - brutal ! but I wanted and needed to come off them. I then literally started glowing and I felt my energy return and this thing called life Hello! Well done much respect 🙌
Have you ever been a prisoner to other substances you could compare it to for instance Suboxone?
I've come off benzos and subs and methadone all cold Turkey. Joe rogan is maga trash
What an awesome story! Thanks for sharing it gives hope to others.
@@vincentrusso4332 What is suboxone? I'm in England so haven't heard of this name. I was on Subutex for a while to come off methadone. Slow titration is the best way to come off any drug but I advise anyone not to do it alone reach out to your recovery community and please know it can be done 👍
@@NattieArt2.0 Ffs of course it's the same drug just different brand name.
Klonopin while causing dependence has made bad situations bearable though. But I regret building a multi year dependence. If you’ve never experienced benzo withdrawal you can’t imagine how afraid your mind can be when it’s been altered by chems long term, it’s semi brain damaging, sometimes permenant. JBP managed to really keep his composure through it all!
I was on Clonopin but I went back on alprazolam which is much more shorter half life and intense with drawls Klonopin is much more manageable as soon as I get the chance when he arrives from vacation I’m going back on the Clonopin the half-life is longer it’s an absolute strange medicine in regards with drawls
Started Benzo 3 years ago got addicted to opioids at the same time..
In recovery for a year now it feels like a marathon in hell ..
The good point is that when we'll be out of this, the world will seem way much easier to deal with, all this suffering is making us stronger
@@arkarh1114 yeah generally you do feel like a champ when you beat it, but I came off of them in 2016 for two years and it almost literally killed me,and my dumb azz ends up going back when I felt all was lost smfh… A marathon in hell is exactly what it is, I already did it at 29 and don’t believe that I have the juice to run it again at 36. Whole different ballgame now… Are you off or still tapering just out of curiosity?
@@ejennings3128 I had a similar experience, during the confinement I did the first tapper, my peak was 15 bromazepam (the most popular Bdz in France) during this period I got down to 2 then relapsed ..
This year tho after a third breakup for the same reasons I started taking this sober life way more seriously,
now I'm at 2/day again, what got me last time was introducing weed to cope with the small amount of Benzo but I can't smoke with moderation so I end up taking way too much pills while being too stoned.
I've cut the smoke and continue giving my everything until I'm fully sober so I can go live in the US without worrying about dying in the street off a laced pill
Opaite withdrawals are also fucksd
I have a friend whose downward spiral began with benzos. He was prescribed them for his PTSD after 2 tours in Afghanistan. He then began drinking heavily and went to opiate pills then heroin. Now he's on meth. He's a shadow of his former self. He's a skeleton. He OD'd a couple months ago but survived. The military has paid for his rehab several times before, but what I never understood is they will wean him off everything but the benzos. He stays clean a few months except for the Xanax then he starts the same cycle all over again. It's heartbreaking to watch someone you love destroy themselves, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
I read a lot about cannabis. Would it help your friend. I hear it is legal in many states in the US
@@riaagarwal6840 it can help but it all starts in the mind. That's what's f***** up about the benzos is that they mess with the mind's chemistry. Most can never get to that place where you want to be a better healthier person. It seems impossible.
I've never gotten into them but I have been addicted to opiates. They made me energized and I could think clearly on them so when it came to getting off of them, it was hard but easy. Hard in the sense that fentanyl is the worst drug I've ever come off but easy in the sense that my mind was clear enough I could make the decision. Oh and also I didn't die going cold turkey (DONT RECOMMEND IT)
My girlfriend had a thyroid issue that cranked her bodies metabolism way up. They scheduled radioactive therapy so that her thyroid would go back to normal and regulate her body normally. In the 3-month window waiting for the procedure they prescribed her benzos to slow her down. A woman with the strongest mind of any human being I've ever met was becoming addicted. The funny thing is she came to me and said something. She could feel herself slipping down a hole she KNEW she could never climb out of. I knew it was a cry for help. I pulled that pill bottle back from her and slowly weaned her off with what she had. The dose she was prescribed was turning her into a zombie. After doing research and learning that alcohol and benzos are typically the only things that kill people on withdrawals, I was scared s***less.
We used MJ as a replacement but don't think for a minute it could save someone who's in the depth of despair and been taking them for years. You literally need medical intervention.
The only other drug more powerful is sold over the counter in almost every country in the world: Alcohol
Be there maybe when he's ready that's all you can do it's obvious he doesn't want this or he wouldn't stop at all not for few months but he will with friends like you get there in the end ✌️💯🙏⚡
Guys, he is probably definitely smoking weed as well. Come on man 🤦♂️ that's like putting a bandaid on an amputated limb, anyway.
how about trying Ayahuasca? Everyone who has done it on Joe's podcasts have only good to say about it. Especially for PTSD and drug addictions.
I’ve been off of Xanax for 7 years. I was prescribed it after losing my father to suicide. Getting off of It was a long process. Prayers to those suffering from addiction. 🙏🏽
Big pharma is evil. They are in the business of medicine not health all they care about is profit
I agree about and also am living witness, along with most of my immediate family members who suffer from a form of immunological sickness/disease. Whenever pressure, stress occurs, it extremely lowers our immune system. And during our youth and early adulthood it only usually just causes us to get easily sick easier ( Colds, Flu, etc…) At those stages in life we usually bounce back and keep going like nothing. However over the duration of life and going thru multiple serious of drops in our immunity and recovery leads to the body, mind and soul to be overcome, overwhelmed and it’s recovery overextended that along with daily person effects and adversity leads to an endlessly enduring deep abysmal battles depression. And in which seemingly feels like those battles are not only never ending but also never able to have a winning outcome of that war. Also not being able to get a well and good rest of sleep and slumber is one of its main symptoms. You lay down and as time is passing your eyes are closed but not shut, no matter how much you try and force them to stay shut. That’s not even the worst of it. While your body is fighting to try and get the slightest bit of rest, your mind wonders to a million different events that have are and will take place in your life. All scenarios and alternate outcomes take place, multiple thoughts at the same time. Believe and trust me, the exhaustion of tiredness and not being able to get a peaceful sleep is worst then any hellishly Alphabet Agency’s ( CIA, FBI, NSA, DOD, etc..) and/or mid evil way of torture.
Jordan - I applaud you for your honesty with your depression & personal suffering with your wife's illness & how you suffered so badly with coming off Benzo's. I was given Adavan ( a Benzo ) by my OB/GYN after both my parents passed away & i was having panic attacks. It took me 2 rehabs, alot of AA, 8 mg to 2 mg > the 1st RehaB, and 2mg to 0 at 2nd reHab. I felt horrible for over 1 year. I had trouble putting a sentence together. Jordan, I get the sleep disorder, I am also a recent insomniac- I believe its partly hormonal and due to our age. I am 59.
Have you tried magnesium Glycinate? It’s helpful for sleep issues. So sorry about your losses.
Someone gave me a clonapin to fall asleep once and that FUCKKKKed me up. Just nasty shit
The issue was never the Ativan, I take it everyday of my life and have for the past 5 years. The issue is that you were taking 8mg of it. I take 0.5mg once a day to manage my anxiety, sometime 1mg a day. I couldn’t imagine taking 16 times that. Everyone is different, but I can say that Ativan saved me from a really dark place. Sorry that you had to go to rehab for it, it’s a very powerful drug and you simply abused it.
Thanks. I lost both my parents also when I was 22, I’m 41 now and I still take benzo’s. Im gonna tray to taper off. Take .25 less per every 2 weeks so I can at least get down to .25 mg’s total per day from 2 mg’s per day. I’ve done this before and it worked. One time I tried to stop completely and I ended up in the hospital and almost died.
Xanax was what I was prescribed 2m x 3 a day. When I moved to another state I was ripped off of them. It took me a year to get back to myself. I was told Xanax remaps your brain.
About 10 years ago, I had eye surgery that I had to be awake for. I was freaking out about being awake, having my eyes clamped open, and having a laser cut away at my retina. The doctor prescribed a single Xanax, told me to take it about 30 minutes prior to the procedure. I took it when my wife drove me to the clinic. When we got there, I told her "Holy crap, I love this shit". Made me very mellow. I can see how and why people get addicted to it. Glad I only had the one.
Yup they are too good lol I’ve had my battles with them
It's like all the upsides of alcohol with none of the downsides... at least in the short term you don't get a hangover and feel ill the next day like alcohol and it doesn't attack your immune system like alcohol. If used responsibly they probably are healthier than alcohol. But lord knows how impossible it is to use those responsibly.
It's not about addiction. It's about dependency. Most people are harmed taking as prescribed.
thy didn’t give you an IV? i was awake before my eye surgery piece of cake 🎂
@@El_Chompo most people i know on them drink too
15 years 1 mg a night Ativan for sleep or if I was to travel or had a panic attack. Mostly just sleep and knew i couldn’t not take it. I had a few times where I thought I took it and then didn’t sleep all night with anxiety , racing brain, agitated sick only to find the pill left in my pill case or on the floor by my bed. In the morning. At that point, I realized how powerful this tiny little pill was. I’m now doing a very slow water taper. Headache has been non stop intense and I can’t get out of bed.
I was on klonpion for three years and the taper from it was the worst time of my life. I would get this primal fear feeling of pure terror that would last for days until I got use to the new dose and it would happen each time I lowered the dose. I've been through opiate withdrawal and amphetamine withdrawal, but the worst by far was benzo withdrawal.
You think i will die,and suicide thoughts
The exact same thing happened to me Jordan. I was working 70 hours a week post separation from my wife and family. I was working so much to cover for my boss who had recently lost his wife and two years later his son to lymphoma. I did this for 5 years and at the end of it I landed in the hospital with 7% ejection fraction and on dialysis for kidney failure. Sleep and rest are no joke.
Idk how I'm gonna make it
@@AtibaVV Yes you do. It's scary, but you already know what you're going to do. And you will.
You've got this. You're not the first, and you won't be the last. You can, you will, you literally HAVE TO, or you will die before it's your time to go. And I can promise you, that you would be GREATLY missed.
It's ok to be afraid. You cannot be brave without also being afraid. You are capable of giving 1,000% more effort than you believe you can.
Belief is not a prerequisite. Just... do. You'll believe when it's done, and by then, it won't matter. Because by then you'll already know.
By then, you will be a champion.
Jan what job where you working ?
Why would you work like that for someone as your boss? You have a beautiful life you can make for yourself. DONT waste it on things such as "overtime" and "stepping up to the challenge."
It can be nice here and there but you will always reflect back negatively on it.
My coworkers work 80 hours a week
Fentanyl coupled with klonopin and ambien withdrawal made me want to blow my head off. Scary battle that I feel like I’m finally getting some control of after 18 years of use. Clean for a year and sleep, muscle spasms and frequent panic attacks are getting better. The community and fellowship I desperately needed, I found in AA and also my baby boy saved my life. So glad there is someone like Joe to provide a platform and give voice to these problems so many folks are dealing with and making people aware that drug use isn’t a moral issue.
yea thats a heck of a cocktail there man. good for you, stay strong
Keep Going✨💎
Stay strong Rodney
Wow... what an awesome story, very inspiring, keep at it... "it works if you work it".
@@LevelheadedMind Klopomin❤❤❤
I have really bad anxiety and probably a form of OCD, idk but I refuse to get put on meds. Just going to power through it
I appreciate your honesty.
I was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis when I was 21, and have been in remission for over a decade. The thing that changed everything was a meat based diet, and limiting carbohydrate intake. All RA blood tests come back negative for RA factor, high inflammation indicators, etc. Auto-Immune disorders are becoming more prevalent - I hope JR keeps pushing that matter more heartily
In the same boat! I got off of Klonopin after seeing Jordan's reaction. I have RA and some other things going on that are autoimmune. I got off easy being on them for 10+ years but that is what I wanted.
I have RA, trying different diets did shit all. Got put on Tocilizumaub and it changed my life, inflammation is gone but left with a decade plus of joint destruction. Different strokes.
This whole episode, especially the last few minutes, really revitalized me. I am just as thankful as Jordan.