Can You Beat Golden Sun With A Glitch Character?
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2024
- Golden Sun is a game where you get four characters to use in battles. To complete the game, you're expected to use all four of them. But using a glitch, you can get an unintended character, Jenna, into your party, and use her for the whole game. So is it possible to beat a solo challenge of the entire game using only this glitch character? In this video, I attempt to beat Golden Sun using only a glitch character!
Thanks to @TL_Plexa , @ConicalFlak , @dyrati4650 , @DefinitelyNotFX , Raphi ( / a_raphi ), @akdylie , @zadeta6565 , @Salafrog , DriftingPancake, and Ri from the Golden Sun speedrunning Discord for helping me out!
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Issac: "Would you beat the final boss?"
Jenna: "Well I can't grind, switch classes and I wasn't programmed to go this far in the game."
Issac: "would you lose?"
Jenna: "Nah, I'd win"
Felix: "Be on your guard. Isaac could be trying anything to stop us from lighting the beacons."
(Jenna disappears in a puff of glitchy smoke)
Felix: "What the?"
Jenna having equipment and psynergy was likely a remenant of when Golden Sun and Golden Sun The Lost Age were a single game. IIRC the games were split as it turned out the project was too ambitious to fit in a single cartridge.
It's also just how programing works. It's easier to just code Jenna as a regular character because you have the code for that done already.
It's only the unique properties like Classes that weren't added. Equipment is based on categories. So it's not that each weapon or armor needs to be added to Jenna as equipable, but that in order for her to equip her basic equipment, those categories were added to her as valid equipment.
@@tadferd4340 Depends on how equipment is handled, some games do it by category like many early Final Fantasy Games especially Final Fantasy III and V while other like Dragon Quest III which has restrictions based on the gear itself.
Likely the split happened early on with most of the story sounded like it had been planned out. Jenna likely had some work done on her character before the split given she has spell but no classes. Not certain why her equipment wasn't locked like some Final Fantasy games have done, maybe an issue with the Dragon Quest like Character inventory system.
It's always interesting hearing about ways devs go to do something in a game, Jenna having the ultimate No Encounters tied to her being near level 4 is just funny to learn and really makes you wonder why they decided they needed this feature, other then an attempt to hide Jenna only being a temporary character since it would be clear from her lack of skills being learned.
They did it that way because you'd have no way of knowing that was the case since normally her suppression is only active in the first dungeon, and there's literally no way to get her out of the party before that, or fight anywhere else with her after that dungeon. So it would look like it was a function of Sol Sanctum not Jenna.
@@Xershade I mean it was likely the obvious choice with how the game is designed... Kinda like how in RPG maker you hide events in walls that a player should never know about unless they break the game a walk into one. Pretty much that effect had to go somewhere in the dugeon and they chose to put in on jenna over anything else as she whouldn't be in the rest of the game with out a massive code weirdness. That I imagine was only found out years later by dire hard fans messing around in the out of bounders or in the code finding something the devs never could during production.
Imagine being Jenna. You decide to leave the party of the hero because you don’t really want to go on a quest, but then the hero breaks the laws of the universe to get you back in the party, causing you to be the main defense against the forces of evil.
That... Isn't quite what Jenna experienced. She's supposed to be a hostage in the first game.
But imagine being Felix. You're traveling with your sister when someone from your childhood village snatches her from your grasp by breaking the very laws of reality.
@@hv433 Yeah she didn't "decide to leave the party." She got kidnapped. The quest is literally to rescue her.
Speed Runners: "You don't need the lure cap, Jenna's suppression overrides it so it's useless anyways."
Also Speed Runners: "Oh yeah, the game glitches out forgets Jenna is in your party literally the fight after you could have gotten the lure cap."
Speedrunners think in splits
And the saddest thing is that Jenna does not even carry over for the sequel. Transfering this save will not give her any of the grinded stats. 😂
The Wise One: "Isaac, will you take on this quest to save the world?"
Isaac: *shakes head 'No'*
Jenna: "Fine, I'll do it myself."
Little detail: Jenna's battle sprite has changed between the two games, especially when you equip her with a sword. In GS 1 it looks like a very short sword or a big dagger. In GS2 it looks incredibly nasty. A much longer jagged sword that looks like it'd hook and tear into the ennemies on a slice.
Jenna was PISSED in The Lost Age.
I was SO happy to see this appear on my recommended. The Golden Sun series has been my all time favorite video games since I first played Golden Sun (I think I was in middle school, and The Lost Age had not yet been released), but there's so little content for it! I've thought about trying to do speedruns for the games just to feel like part of a vaguely existent Golden Sun community once more (but speedruns aren't really my kind of thing to do, as much as I enjoy watching them). So this was an instant click from me. And I loved learning things about the game from this, and you did a great job explaining how and why the various things happened. Really great video! Now to check and see if you've got any more Golden Sun content for me to watch. Either way, instant subscribe for this video alone!
I find it so funny how Jenna basically becomes a time wizard that knows everything their opponent is going to do, the 80 turn routing literally was hilarious to me
This was a video I wasn't expecting to see whatsoever in my subscription feed, but I am so excited! Golden Sun was one of my favourite games growing up, I've played through this game quite a few times over the years c: I'm so happy to see modern content with it!
Ah, the most mandatory of pixels...... Here from his sacred tower to bless us with his divine presence. I surprise to be sure but a welcome one
I think the most efficient way to level up is to actually kill the tornado lizards in the desert. 620 xp and there's tons of them and they die easy
I _think_ the Tempest Lizard is faster, but even if not, it drops the Potions, so it was helpful for that reason as well!
@@MandatoryPixelmaybe yeah. I just love spamming douse on that area but primarily cuz it's earlier in the game. But you only get weasel claw item
Oh you can cure the Curse countdown status effect with an Elixir btw ! Only status that can't be cured without a djinn or a priest is Haunted. This... really came in clutch to me lol
Jenna planning her checkmates 80 moves in advance gives me light. I didnt know glitches like Retreat glitch when i played, solo was really tough but i did do a 2 character run. Think it was Isaac/Mia.
Golden Sun is one of those games I wish I'd known about back when I was playing my GBA SP, as I probably would have loved it.
Especially since I had played Shining Force 1, 2, and 3 by then, and more Camelot would've been great.
1 & 2 are worth a play through even now. I've gone back twice? now and eventho the challenge is pretty minimal knowing how to actually play games it's still a pleasant play through that doesn't take too long either.
You can play them on switch now as well. They are in the game boy section
I dunno why, but Jenna just peeking at the bottom of the menu at 49:24 is funny. Like she's going "Psst hey, what you doing?"
Haha, I'm glad someone caught that! I never made a point of mentioning it in the video, but the duplicate character would end up moving down a little bit every time you opened the trade window in the Djinn menus, so they could even end up completely off the bottom of the screen if you were adjusting things for long enough.
Jenna Solo sounds like a Star Wars character
There is a romhack where you can play as Jenna through the whole story. I haven't tried it myself but it is easy to find
25:05 fortunately because this djinn is corona, if you got it you’d have to quarantine Jenna or whatever so like it’s actually a blessing in disguise if you think about it
Until you said that thing at the beginning I never realized how similar golden sun and that one Mario tennis game were lmao
Same company. Though I don't recall Mario casually summoning gods.
They were made by the same studio, in the same engine, with the same composer!
Man I love Golden Sun, first RPG I ever played! This was an excellent surprise to see!
I might be mistaken because I haven’t played through these games in a few years, but I’m fairly certain when doing any multi-target abilities against a party of enemies you can redirect the focus of the attack onto the smaller ones. It looks like that mechanic could come in handy in encounters like the lizard king, and possibly a few other niche scenarios. This is probably the single most interesting play through of this game possible, very cool
I've played through this game every couple of years since it released and I never knew about random encounters being disabled in the first dungeon.
Really interesting piece of trivia.
1:36 Or imagine Jenna stole his look for the overworld.
Or Weekend's At Bernie's.
Today on increasingly arcanes and obtuses videogame challenges : the main character dies of heatstroke, repeatedly and Jenna wins by seeing the futur.
I sure hope they manage to find and rescue Jenna with the orb!
This is really well done and amazing commentary, thanks for sharing!
My strategy for the Manticore when soloing with Isaac ended up maxxing out my Venus power by keeping all Venus djinn and doing a summon.
This way, the Poison wouldn't be applied as often (about 30% or 40% of the time) which gave me ample opportunity to attack without having to juggle healing spells and antidotes.
Aside from Luck, the elemental power difference has a pretty big influence on how likely status effects are applied !
That's also how I got the Kraken, maxing elemental power to apply Curse on turn 1 and... wait 3 turn for insta death to take it down ! It's actually that easy to kill it.
be me: eating cinnamon toast crunch and THINK i hear him say "Golden Sun is the predecessor to Mario Tennis Power Tour..."
think to myself "clearly the crunching made me mishear that"
go back to beginning of video free of deliciousness in my mouth parts
"oh........HUH?!"
This is like in One Punch Man where he defeats all the villains/monsters and everyone but him gets credit for it
Fusion Dragon is actually possible to route with multiple characters. You just have to limit it to single target moves or moves that target everyone.
Great run though. Thoroughly enjoyed watching this challenge come together.
I see! That makes sense, good to know.
Thanks, and thanks again for helping with my questions! Glad you enjoyed it.
Wow, the level of broken this game has become is too funny lol. What a heck of a challenge, bravo!
I just finished an Isaac solo run a week ago, skipping Mia and all to have fun having 2 isaacs and use the minimum of out of combat psynergies from other characters. It was great fun.
I had tried to do the tret ACE to have 4 isaacs but gave up on that, very impressive to see Jenna Only with it!
Thank you for playing, now can you beat The Lost Age with Kraden.
I absolutely love these games
Great amazing legendary mandatory pixel thank you for this blessing
I haven't played this game in years... is Menardi's move really called Death Size? Gotta be a mistranslation of Death Scythe
That's correct! It is a mistranslation. The "Blessing" moves like Ice Blessing were also a mistranslation of "ブレス", which was meant to be "Breath" and not "Bless". The sequel fixed these mistakes.
Tbh I've never heard of this game before but I watched this whole video in 1 sitting!
Oh the melancholy, the glitchyness, loved it
The goat of challenge runs has returned
When you're so far out of the bounds of your own reality, that you can interact with your own currently running simulation.
Maybe the only video to ever make me laugh in the first 3 seconds
Hey challenge idea how far can you get in majoras mask with the 4th day glitch you would only get magic in the deku cycle and do the 4th day glitch as young link without collecting anything
I wasnt expecting to see a golden sun challenge today
This video was a delight, excellent job
What niche content the algorithm provided me with. I love it!
What a nice and fun challenge you managed to complete!!
Btw, can you post your game password to do some experiments with it in the sequel? For example see if Jenna's stats can be carried over to the sequel or what happens to Mia's equipment if she has never been in the first game, and such experiments.
Jenna's stats don't carry over (there's no provisions for this in link cable or password). Mia comes over at Level 10 with Fizz in her default state. If I recall correctly, Djinn that are on Jenna are lost in the transfer but its been a while since I looked at it.
@@TL_Plexa Yeah I'm pretty sure the transfer only copies over character data of the default 4 characters and some story flags for certain events in TLA. I've played through Golden Sun, transferred the data, and somehow Jenna's short sword turned into a freaking wooden stick by the time she got to TLA.
Now I wonder what if any effect transferring this glitched to hell and back save would do in The Lost Age.
Based on other comments, it sounds like it doesn't look at Jenna's status at all, and Mia is sent to the second game in the state she starts at in the first game.
@@MandatoryPixel So all the djinni Jenna had at the end of Part 1 are just gone?
@@AndrevusWhitetail That's my understanding!
I never knew about this glitch awesome!
I love getting Golden Sun content in late 2024, I'm still hoping for a remake!
I've never seen anyone other than me try a one character clear of this game! I did it with Isaac, but I didn't know the game mechanics nearly as well as you do. Glad to see you using some of the same strats I did though; guess I did something right back then. Any chance you'll do other characters?
Amazing video. Well done.
Thanks very much! I'm not really thinking of doing this for other characters at the moment, there are some playlists on UA-cam of people doing the bosses solo as the other characters, and also I'm not sure I have the mental fortitude to do this again in the near future. 😆 But who knows! Maybe the sequel someday.
@MandatoryPixel Understandable. It was super grindy when I did it. I didn't know the mechanics or how to game the RNG, so I had to get Isaac all the way to level 62 to clear the game. Nice to see I found all the same grinding spots as you did at least.
awww yea new mandatorypixel video to put in the playlist of videos i watch on loop when i work lolol
Ahhh, the memories of this game.
...Well, it's not like I can't put my life on pause to get another playthrough in.
1:05:35 So double down, transfer this save to TLA, and do the entire thing solo as Jenna. Got it. :)
Thank you for enduring this for us.
I don't understand why you got rid of the random encounters after you got them back? Wouldn't they allow you to level Jenna without having to grind less than optimal enemies that gave very little XP?
I would think Jenna was strong enough when you got the random encounters back so the fights wouldn't be as hard and you would be able to earn max XP for each fight, making leveling go MUCH faster than grinding in the desert?
I've never attempted to speedrun this game in anyway, let alone with just 1 glitched character so I am sure you are right to do it this way, but I just don't understand why...
Great video and run! Keep up the great content! This was the first video of yours I watched and I am now subbed and can't wait for the notification for your next video!!
Lax
Oh boy, I remember this game, it was my very first and very last JRPG. I played it, together with the second part, for almost two years every now and then until I finally got to the very, very last boss which I could not defeat...then I was, whatever, I am done with this game...
...Man I really want(ed) to like Golden Sun and Golden Sun 2, but the absolutely mind numbing random encounters, that really serve no value other than making the game longer, was just too much...
Golden Sun content POG
I sometimes wonder what if the Retreat Glitch was never found / possible. Just how different would GS be? Cool Video.
Now, does a save transfer to the sequel carry over Jenna's info properly?
Based on other comments, it doesn't seem like it! Sounds like it doesn't look at Jenna's status at all, and Mia is sent to the second game in the state she starts at in the first game.
Possibly but really only if she gets HER LOST AGE aura spells since her final one can restore as MUCH HP as the lv 48 PURE WISH spell but costs less PP/MP to do so.
I mean restet rorting is just an extreme way that anyone gains experience in a video game.... Like even in rougelikes when you die you learn from the experience the same way you do when you reset route... Which by the way is just a more convent way of playing that game.. as you can die reload a save and walk back and try the fight again. Which you would still gain the same experience just using more real world time... So the only time this trick would be considered cheating is in a game with checkpoints or blokcs you saving and reloading at cirtian time... The best exemple I can give is if you do reste rouiting before every fightin the elite four in most pokemon games... As pokemmon is normally extremely genrus with it save syetms but when you enter the eliete 4 as you can't save till you beat the chapaign making your last real save before the elite 4... This is common in alot game s before the final boss or even level. So pretty much in those games svae routing is normsal intended play until you get the messages saying... "are you sure you want tl finish the game?" Then it becomes cheating during that time unless you save ruoyt based on the last real save then it is normal and intended.
Of course it's a Retreat glitch. Lol.
I was wondering why you needed to get to Kolima Forest, and then you started spamming Move.
Retreat glitch is so versatile.
It's time!
heck yeah, Jenna was always my fav
Makes me wonder what happens if you transfer a save like this to the second game.
Imagine playing It the game It only Ivan though
That sounds like a job for you 😆
Dora, have you lost weight? You look different.
New speedrun mode Jenna Only any% run. 😎
You sire are crazy! ggwp!
Obligatort: Golden Sun 2 when?
Well played!
Thanks! And thanks again for helping with my questions! Hopefully I explained some of the weirder glitches and mechanics well enough 😆
@@MandatoryPixel You did great! No notes on my end :)
1:39 what’s the reference
Scott Pilgrim
@ I ment the reference in that series at the timestamp
@@zachpro5475 Scott hops in there to escape from Roxie at one point. I don't remember all the specifics off the top of my head, but a Google search says it's in volume 4!
This video made me really miss playing Golden Sun. I was excited for it to launch on NSO but kept waiting and waiting. After a whole year subscribed I finally canceled my membership and Golden Sun was added a few weeks later. Lame.
Yessssss!
"I'd assume the "random encounters stop" mechanic would also apply to the few overworld random Djinn encounters, right?
(now that I watch more of the video I got my answer, shame)
The video already gives the answer and it is "yes".
CALLED IT!!!!!!! I KNEW IT! IT WAS GOLDEN SUN
I never played Golden Sun, but this is just like Mandatory Pixel to do lel
EDIT: 1:10 Are you trying to say "synergy"? Because that's pronounced "sin-urgie" because English sucks.
EDIT 2: Oh, it's not the English word. Preserving the above for funny.
EDIT 3: 42:11 She didn't get sent to the shadow realm, jut going back to watching over the party until a cutscene calls.
Couldn't you do an ACE to remove the encounter setting on Jenna to allow overworld leveling? Or is the ACE in this game not that advanced?
You could, but you need more levels on Isaac to get the right defense values to start the manipulation. You would also corrupt your party (and have other glitchy characters involved). This is definitely the cleanest way to so a solo Jenna playthrough.
@TL_Plexa Yeah, I figured that'd be the case. Usually you can't get very specific ACE in SNES games due to the value limits in data and such.
Like, yeah, you could get rid of the no encounter, but you'd also be changing other stuff because I'm betting the data that controls no encounter also controls something else 😅
Sooo... what happens if you try to gold password your data to TLA??? 🤯
Based on other comments, it sounds like it doesn't look at Jenna's status at all, and Mia is sent to the second game in the state she starts at in the first game.
..? Did your mic change in the middle of the video there?
Now, if you send the code to the new game, do the stats go to the new Jenna?
This is what I'm also wondering tbh.
Nope
Unfortunately, no. By default, the party in The Lost Age starts at Level 5 with basic gear and the Shaman's Rod unless you do a new game plus with save data from a complete game, which carries over what each party member had when they defeated Doom Dragon.
what on earth
wait why is there an elven shirt when there's no elves in golden sun. how did i never question this
More vidddddds
Buuuust
Fastest instasub ever. 🤙
Sorry but no one can convince me Golden Sun is good.
Yet here you are, on a challenge video about a game you apparently dislike.
Low-quality bait.
@@TheDiscoGenre Not bait. genuine statement.
@@HighPriestFuneral Have you considered I was curious to how a run like this would go? I don't need to be a fan to enjoy a video if the creator presents the topic well enough.
@@AnAverageGoblin Still seems inflammatory/bait regardless, but you do you.
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