Pilot forgets to put down flaps until during takeoff run!
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- This video was taken in 2013 onboard an Air Explore Boeing 737-300. This 737-300 registered OM-BEX was wet leased to Arkefly (now TUI Netherlands) at the time of the flight. We were flying from Amsterdam to Dalaman Turkey on holiday. During taxi, the captain forgot to extend the flaps as part of the taxi checklist. We lined up with the runway and takeoff power was applied with the flaps still retracted. Around the time when the takeoff configuration warning would be sounding, the captain extended the plane's flaps while continuing the takeoff roll, which is against protocol. If a takeoff configuration warning sounds during takeoff, it is standard operating procedure to abort the takeoff and then sort out the problem. I was very nervous during this takeoff and I am glad the flight landed safely in Dalaman. This video was taken with my old Cannon IXUS 70 camera.
Who wants us to make a longer video explaining the details and why this is a significant incident? Please reply if you think we should
Nick Aviation I think you should because I don’t know what is bad about it
@@RSjs25 Two things. FIrst, the flaps are down during take off the give the aircraft lift to get off of the runway and into the air. Second, while he delayed putting the flaps down, usually during taxi, he did put them down before he started to take off. Great video and yes, not protocol.
What else did the crew miss on the checklist? If they even did it.
Always good to educate people on why.
Nick Aviation pilots do not forget to put flaps down. Doesn’t happen and even if it did, the co-pilot would catch it. I promise man. He did not forget.
"80 knots"
"Ok before take off checklist"
"Flaps" - "check"
LMAO!
Most passenger aircraft have a “takeoff misconfiguration” warning when the thrust levers are moved beyond a point. It makes sure all the correct switch positions line up with how they are actually configured, one of which is flaps. On Boeings it’s an audible horn and part of the startup checklist is to activate them when parked as a test. I’m guessing when they advanced the thrust levers for takeoff the configuration horn sounded, they realized the flaps were set incorrectly, and instead of aborting take off to correct them and try again they just flipped them open and hoped for the best.
50 40 30 ”gear down”
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Space Shuttle :)
@@Andrew-13579 set and prop related accidents are common..😁
@Ross "set and prop" not registering with me. What do you mean?
@@Andrew-13579 it was a jokey allusion to the popular theories that the moon landings and other things are faked. Just an attempt at humour. I'm still a novice.
That's the newest Ryanair technique to save fuel! Less drag during the acceleration!
and the money saved is being used to repair landing gear damaged by bad landings😂
@@gouthamsuresh5672 its take off, not landing footage. For landing, down the flaps is a must.
Btw as you can see, they set the flaps to 15 just before reaching V1.
K L /rwooosshhhhhhhh
You can land without flaps Goutham, but the approach speed will be much higher. All pilots in training have to practice flapless landings. After all, it is always possible to have a flap failure, so you still have to get the plane down if that happens.
@@gouthamsuresh5672 Taking off
"before takeoff checklist ignored" - "check"
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stormeagle28 JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
@Theshinybrighttruth It wouldn't be any significant reduce in costs, but it would create extremely hazardous situation, those flaps could fail, that's the reason they are engaged while on taxi, to make sure they work.
At least they heard the takeoff configuration warning when they set takeoff thrust and reacted quickly, or it would have been bad. I'd *love* to hear that cockpit recording.
Normally the *FIRST* thing you do at this low speed is to reject takeoff. I think most airlines would have grounded the airplane, preserving it's CVR and FDR data to figure out how that could have happened. A takeoff without flaps/slats has led to so many crashes and deaths in the past, it's a *very serious* issue. I would like to see these crew's licenses revoked for continuing the takeoff.
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Hi!
Great video. Is there any chance you would allow me to use this video for a “react/instruct” video on my channel?
Let me know and have a great day!
PLEASE DO!!!
Did you do a vid on it?
@@IntelligentEating nah he hasn’t yet sadly
@@mattheww1779 the dude didn’t reply and say yes so he can’t
Aww I wish you could!
"Looks fine to me." -General Public.
"What the...." -Aviators.
Better pilot made no error here his flaps came down right before departing
its part of the pilots pre take off checklist .. but you just believe its fine ..
I Paid shut up u are not aviation enthusiast if you’re angry
So true lol
Flaps and slats and Aileron idk just randomness
Probably heard the takeoff config warning then realized...
"Oh shit, flaps"
Without the warning this would have been thoughts and prayers.
Expedited take off
That's where he should have aborted.
Yeah, whoops!
THIS I WHY I NEVER GET IN ANY PLANE EVER.
Sad part is... it took a lot of lives to get that takeoff config warning system installed on planes, several hundred I think.
Delta lost a B727 coming out of DFW back around 1989. Prior crew had disabled the warning horn because it was annoying and the new crew missed it, as well as setting flaps.
And NWA lost a DC9 departing DTW "no flaps". Single survivor, a baby.
Spanair flight out of Madrid in 2008, 154 dead
@@jimmiller5600 It was actually a Republic Airlines airplane and crew (just a few months after the Northwest/Republic merger) who didn't run the checklists and had the "T.O. warning horn" C.B. pulled because it was annoying. The CB actually had a grease pencil circle around that particular CB.
There's only two things that will ensure an airliner will crash: 1)flaps/slats up on takeoff and 2) not enough fuel in the tanks to get back to a runway.
It takes multiple derelictions of duty to get a commercial airliner onto the runway with the flaps up.
@@330capt : assertion #2
Gimli Glider : hold my beer
Air Transat Flight 236 : hold *MY* beer
I once flew with a captain that forgot to start the engines until we reached the destination
It was a glider
Really!!!!
Jogatina Gameplays wow u understand what a joke is?
r/wooooooooosh
Parakeet :D hahahahaha
Jogatina Gameplays then why did u respond to my comment, smh
Did they put the wheels down for the landing?
Not til they were on the ground. 😁
They didn't have to cause they forgot to put them up after take off.
Who need landing gear, when you can slide down the runway. It's 2019
Andrew Inglis They actually forgot to put the wheels down for landing...but luckily they also forgot to retract the wheels up when they took off. And, this is how the pilots, who were highly experienced in forgetting things, avoided a major catastrophe!!!
There is a warning horn for that too!
You were so calm. I would have been running toward the cockpit screaming "EXTEND THE FLAPS!"
Maybe whoever was filming did not realize what was going on at the moment, either.
The flaps were extended to about 5° which is normal for some aircraft types, weight and runway lengths. You can even see them move when the pilot selects them.
Knowing aerodynamics as well as being a pilot myself, although not an airline or commercial pilot, I would have done the same some time before merging from taxiway to takeoff runaway: by getting into the aisle yelling and screaming "Abort the takeoff" because if the crew indeed failed flap extension checklist and missed the eventual flap-warning, the plane would surely crash. Unfortunately it did happen few times in the past, so acting like this, out of protocol, might end up in tragedy.
@@MassimoPugiDelta
Just watched a video about a crash due to not extending the flaps
THIS! I'd be screaming my ass off!
Run your takeoff checklist...🤦🏻♂️
The majority of aviation accidents are caused by human error.
YO WTF NOT ONLY GIRLS MAKE MISTAKES
And some by the jets themselves...like the 737 Max 8
@@Mr_Bean_Stalk and 737 max 8 are built by humans your point?
@Aviation Is My Life But the pilots did everything correct on the MAX, but the airplane itself was faulty. The pilots didn’t mess up or forgot something, the plane wasn’t coded properly, so in this case, it’s the airplanes fault, and not the pilots.
@@saml6084 so the plane ain't built by humans? Software ain't built by humans? Human error accounts for almost every plane crashes in aviation history. So what's your point?
Looks like they set the flaps after setting takeoff thrust AND the configuration alarm started to sound
Ye and they couldn't be asked to abort.
I was thinking that too, got a config alarm on applying full thrust
Agree
@@user-pz5iu1tc5l Assed. not asked.
Pilot “yo you hear something?”
Captain over intercom: "Ladies and gentlemen, we apologize for the bumpy ride. We seem to have left the runway but not the ground."
Captain: god what’s that obnoxious horn!
FO: I don’t know... (moves flap handle)
Good thing they still had enough runway.
Exactly.
Fun fact: a very similar exchange took place in the cockpit of LAPA 3142 before they killed 65 due to a flaps-up takeoff attempt.
Lol
Exactly what happened! Lol!
And this is why you should follow the checklists.
They did, company policy, take flaps out at very last second to avoid drag while taxiing ;)
@Paul Flusk perhaps sacaram Paul? That being said configuration is covered during the before take-off checklist so should never reach this late stage with a clean wing.
@@seanhenrynewman5181 No...
@@johnstuartsmith heard about jokes?
didn't appear to be any snow or ice
That’s one cockpit voice record I want to listen.
The takeoff configuration warning saved the day. He/she clearly set the flaps after the first advancement of the throttles.
Don't know which is scarier, The Pilot managing the checklist skipping the before T/O checklist or the fact that it took the Master Caution T/O config bell to remind them.
Perhaps it shortens the takeoff roll just a bit to do it that way, eg on a very short runway? But yes quite disconcerting.
I can't hear any bell.. when does it sound and surely it would not be indebted to be audible in the passenger cabin?
@@PRH123 Nope...
... Or that they didn't abort takeoff but just went with it instead. An airplane should be properly configured for takeoff BEFORE takeoff, not during. An abort should've been their choice IMHO.
I actually feel a bit more comfortable to know there is a not-configured-for-takeoff-alarm so that the two crashes that at least happened due to the skipping of (important) parts of the checklist do not repeat.
Later that day, the pilot forgot to pull down his trousers when he took a dump.
The Budget Aquarist Nah. He dumped when he realized flaps were up.
LOL.
I wonder if he pulled back power, retracted the gear and flaps and activated the autopilot.
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pilots have a before-dump checklist
I have over 94,000 flight hours logged on the various aircraft of Atari's 1979 game "combat" and can tell you that this is very dangerous.
LOL
I fully agree! They should had made an RTO.
Stop talking like you have experience
@@samu_cornia9991 Well, we have. You obviously not!
@@blameyourself4489 it's a 1979 combat game you tell me you have actual experience people can take advice on
Pilot: "this is your captain speaking. Maybe you didnt realize, but we almost die here. Hehehe"
Hehe
Hehe
Hehe
I wonder if the crew got the usual applause after landing, or "Booooh! You suck at piloting!"
Most runways have enough room to cancel take off
I'd be concerned for the rest of the flight
Concerned is putting it mildly. For sure I'd send the video to the governing aviation bodies.
Hell yeah
I'm concerned about the training and check flights of this entire airline !
@@rykehuss3435 In what country ?
@@davidkamen Uganda
When everyone on board is less than two minutes from becoming a statistic and an incorrect T. O. alarm saves their bacon - Priceless.
Honestly I don't know what's worse - forgetting the flaps or not aborting take-off. I think the latter, and he wanted to hide his error - the tower will always ask for the reason a pilot rejected take-off.
Not a violation to abort a takeoff. Tower can ask...it's no big deal. Tower isn't the final word whether or not to abort. Look into the Northwest Airlines flight that crashed on takeoff in Detroit years ago....bet everybody on board wished he had aborted. Forgot to extend flaps for takeoff...152 dead if I recall. One survivor, a 2 year old girl.
That take off configuration horn went off and they were like oops lol
@William Newkirk I believe this way of taking off went out of fashion sometime in the 80s.
Better late than never!
Copilot: Shouldn’t we use the before take off checklist?
Capt: I _am_ the checklist
Captain: "cabin and crew departure position please"
Cabin and crew: "you first!"
Hang on everyone, before running away with your imagination..
There is a technique on a take off run, that calls for flaps NOT to be put down until near the lift off point. I am a pilot and have done it many times when we wanted to get the plane off the ground in a shorter ground run.
If you put take off flap down before starting the take off run, the drag caused by the flaps will extend the ground run. So leave them up until near the desired lift off point and you will get off the ground sooner.
Another clue that the pilot was trying to minimise the take off run, is that he didn't stop to run up the engines at the start of the take off run. He used the speed that the aircraft already had from taxiing to add to the speed of the ground run.
It's simple really when you think about it.
I am not a pilot, but I would like to know if the technique really exists, it means it is a condition where he takes off from a short runway right?
Bigger airplanes certainly take a few seconds to make the flaps fully extend compared to lighter planes.
What if the flaps fail?
especially when the airplane has reached V1.
V1 means you have to continue take-off, but if the flaps fail, of course it requires a longer runway, while he is taking off from a short runway.
I think the existence of a checklist is to minimize human errors like that.
So, what do you think?
I’m also not a pilot but do a lot of flying in the sim of jets and I’m pretty sure for a short take off you are suppose to park on the runway put the brakes on max and let the engines get to 100% before even moving. Not do a rolling takeoff and put the flaps down at v1 like you’ve said. By rolling onto the runway you use up runway where you’ve not got 100% acceleration as jet engines lag A LOT and take time to spool up and generate all their thrust. Therefore you park on the end and wait for max thrust so you get the most out of the little runway you’ve got. I might be wrong but I have seen real pilots do short takeoffs in the sim and they have NEVER started a short takeoff with a rolling takeoff.
@@thomasyoung5147 You have a good point here Thomas. I fly with propellers so I can comment more accurately for this type of propulsion. However, both propellers and jets won't get up to maximum propulsion until they have achieved some degree of forward movement through the air. The SIM may not show this point very well, but next time you are in a jet or propeller aircraft, take note of the acceleration. You will find that when the brakes are released the acceleration is not quite so quick. Then as the speed builds up, you will notice that there is more "pull" on the aircraft as you go down the runway.
On my aircraft, I have variable pitch on the propeller and this will be set to "fine" pitch before takeoff to help the prop "bite" into the air on the take off run. When airborne and going into the cruise, the prop is made more course because you are now going forward and you can take bigger "bites" out of the air, if you see what I mean.
You are correct about spool-up time on jets and winding the engine up while you have full braking, is ensuring that the engine has got as fast as it can before starting to move. But it will not be at 100% as jets also need to have air going through the engine to maximize on power. And of course jets have fixed pitch blades so cannot vary the angle of the blades in the turbine to "bite" into that air.
Lastly, ALL pilots will use FULL POWER on the take off run!!
That's normal for bush flying on light aircraft but that will be illegal on an airliner...
I'm a frequent flier in my country and so I'm used to pilots extending flaps even before taxiing. But one day I sat by the window of a B737 that was taxiing out without the flaps lowered. I watched calmly believing it would be done before the holding position by the runway. Still, nothing. An aircraft landed and was still on the runway when we began to turn into position for takeoff still without flaps; and this time I mustered courage and signalled over a flight attendant to whom I said in my most authoritative voice "inform your pilot that he has not deployed his takeoff flaps". Thankfully the man did just that using the intercom, and to my glad joy, the message appeared to work because the grinding noise soon followed of the flaps going down. The following takeoff went by like a breeze.
That is unbelievable! I take it the pilots did not come out of the flight deck after the flight until everyone was gone?
I would hope they’d have thanked you after the flight was over!
A warning sound probably went off in the cockpit. It happens when you throttle up with flaps down. I'm almost certain he reacted to it. But this was definitely out of protocol.
Pri yon Joni yes, but the manual says to abort takeoff and have another attempt, however the takeoff config warning probably sounded and then he put them down
that's what i said
I've seen a documentary like this, they got the throttle and they put it on full thrust and the warning switch slipped and it didn't activate
A plane headed to SNA California crashed because the pilot forgot to set the flaps in a rush to takeoff and avoid diverting to LAX due to sound restriction in OC at night. All passengers and crew died.
Most likely reached V1.
As a pilot with over 16,000 hours in 737s, I can tell you exactly what happened here! As they took the runway and advanced the thrust levers they got a take off warning horn as they started to roll. They had to know what that was, the pilot not flying reached over and selected the flap lever to a takeoff setting, in this case flaps 1, as the takeoff roll continued. Only takes 4-5 seconds for the flaps to deploy to this setting, including the leading edge devices. Even if the proper selection in their situation had been flaps 5 or even 10, the flaps and LED would be fully deployed prior to rotation! Did they fail to properly use the before TO check list, yes! Not very professional! Was there any real danger, no because the flaps would be properly deployed long before rotation speed would be reached. FYI, the stall speed is about 40 knots lower with flaps 1 compared to flaps up on the 737.
How would they have dealt with an asymmetric flap or LED event in those brief seconds? Happened to me in a 310 once on final, scared the hell out of me! I remember AA 191 crash at ORD in the 70s. I think all the flaps and LEDs retracted on the left wing when the engine tore off...took out all the hydro stuff on the left wing. That still pic of it is famous, and I'll bet you know the famous pic of it rolled about 100 degrees to the left having worked in the industry. Detroit Northwest accident was a no flap takeoff too, IRC.
@@RR-pw5nb Asymmetrical flaps would sound the TO warning horn on a 737. Yeah, I remember AA 191!
@@Valor_73737 Thanks for the reply....be safe out there!
As a passenger I always watch for this! Most airlines seem to set flaps almost straight after engine start up.
On a 737 it’s on the before taxi flow and checklist.
Usually taxi out
The pilot didn't forget to put them down. ATC told him/her to roll ASAP because there was another plane coming in for a landing. The flaps were put down in plenty of time as they started their roll. Sometimes they have to MOVE IT OR LOSE IT when the airport is very busy. Let's not put false information out!!!!
Absolutely right!
Holy fucking shit...i hope you are not a pilot....thoughts like that cause crashes.....you follow the checklist to the letter...missing something like flaps causes fatal crashes....tower has no authority to force you to do anything..if you are not ready....ask for a hold short then request when ready
M M that’s absolutely wrong though.
Pilots must perform t.o./check-list before t.o. Not during t.o.
Check-list is listed and closed during taxiing. If you're not ready to t.o. . . . you must stop at holding point. And wait for the plane landing.
Thrust levers forward;
take off configuration warning horn sounds;
Capt to co-pilot: hold my beer while i set the flaps
In a hurry, I did the same thing with 17 skydivers onboard in a Twin Otter
Today, I fly on X-Plane 11 with the 737 zibo from Prague to Kos and i also forgot to put out the flaps for T/O, but I've rejected the takeoff.
@@george_flyer okay
A pilot I knew crashed as passenger in a Canadian lake with a Twin Otter in the eighties, because of a heavy rain shower on Final. He was the sole survivor.
@Charles Bear I heared the takeoff config alarm right after I put the thrust to TO/GA
Thats what happens when checklists are not being followed.... smh 🤦🏻♂️
"I don't need to do that stupid checklist".
When people do the same work many times, they feel that they don’t need to check to make sure they don’t forget anything. But this often leads to actually forgetting things.
Sometimes you can miss an item when you do your checklist. Well I m not an airline pilot just a small student pilot but happens to me sometimes when i m not really focused during doing my checklist.
Stop syh silly fruitcake
I did this once in a light aircraft on a very short runway. The hedge was very close as I passed over struggling to gain altitude. At 200 ft I went to retract the flaps and found they were in already! My passenger, a pilot, hadn't noticed anything and I never confessed it. After that, the checklist was never omitted.
Kliko Aviation
Kliko Aviation
1 year ago (edited)
Hi,
My son posted this video, and we were on board this aircraft as passenger goin on holiday! I am an airline captain flying 747s on worldwide ops so I do know a little about flying.
I actually ran to the cockpit when we started to line op on rwy 36L in AMS.
The take off config was goin off and could be heard till the flaps reached flaps 5.
The flight was a Air Explore, a Slovakian wet lease to TUI Netherlands.
During flight I asked to speak to the captain and he refused. I left a letter that I would inform the authorities in the Netherlands and file an ASR.
Captain did not take action at all. I contacted the flight safety officer of TUI and send the vid to them. The captain in question never filed a report or a mention in the techlog.
TUI NL filed the ASR and reviewed the wet lease. The captain of this flight was fired and wet lease terminated after the season.
Aviation is littered with cowboy cavelier accidents which easily could have happened. Read the spanair MD80 JK5022, no flap takeoff. see how that went.
The captain in charge was neglecting his operating procedures using Checklist and on top did not abort!
A take off config warning is an abort,
Get of the runway, check the problem,
Rectify, and take off again or back to gate.
Small example what if the flaps came out asymmetric? One smoking hole in AMS.
Personally I never crapped my pants in a plane but this moment was a close one.
All pilots should work towards an environment where mistakes like this don't happen or get picked up with checklists.
On a separate note, there are jet aircraft which take off with out flaps or don't have leading edge devices. Example Fokker 70
You're so full of crap its unbelievable.
@@richieb1990 Seems you were the stupid pilot😕
@@richieb1990 It's a copy paste from the original upload. here's the link.
ua-cam.com/video/oRpN6hdn4B8/v-deo.html
@@richieb1990 Youre such an idiot it's unbelievable!
You should make a t-shirt "I'm alive thanks to config alert." ;)
And on your note: These aircraft don't set flaps after applying takeoff thrust either. Maybe there are reasons for a takeoff without flaps (inop, extremely light empty aircraft) on "normal" airplanes too. But you never ever set flaps after thrust, it's as simple as that.
And Edit: The aircraft seems to be a 737 classic (maybe -400). The 737's can't extend flaps asymmetric (as long as no drive rods are broken). There is only one single drive unit. If something asymmetric happens instead, the drive unit will stop and you have a major issue with the drive mechanism.
FO: V1
Capt: ......
FO: V1
Capt...
FO: V1 sir!
Capt: "Did you set the flaps?"
FO: "What flaps?"
FO: "Oh yeah the flaps"
At which point the scenery would have become part of the cockpit..lol
@@DaveyCrockett001 during taxing when checking take off check list. Not on the runway and few seconds before take off.
LoL 😂😂
Btw how much is the flaps? 5?
I was waiting for:
FO: This plane has Flaps?
that is not a -700. Probably a -300. Definitely the pilots did not run the checklists either way.
Fred Boston it’s a 733
Fred Boston It could be a 400, 500. Wings are the same
It was a 737-300, the registration is OM-BEX to be exact
"before takeoff checklist complete"... (but ignored)
The fact that they reacted by lowering flaps instead of aborting takeoff is unbelievable
Yeah rejecting at ration speed sounds like a butter idea
Both pilots screwed up! Checklist, checklist, checklist!!!
Well.. thanks configuration alarm
As a retired FAA Air Carrier Inspector (30 plus years) and I had known that that had happened while still in the agency there would have been at the least a "Come to Jesus" discussion with the Chief Pilot of the Company, a review of the qualifications of both crew members and at minimum some major retraining... At the most, certificate action and fine and "time on the beach" -- a death blow for a commercial/ATP pilot.
In short, they did not follow their approved pre-flight checklist... The next question would be what else did they forget.. and what was on their mind that would be so important as to take away their attention to this major detail. This is why there should be an FAA person in the jump seat at random and unannounced to do reviews of these crew members.
In short, no flaps no lift on take off -- next stop the tree line, field, or some highway.... any of these have a nasty ending
This has sucha strong FSX vibe
Steam Edition
the pilot watched too much airforceproud videos
ikr
I actually always put the flaps down there and run the checklist coz I watched the Mayday episodes where they forgot the flaps
Pilot : what could happen taking off with the flaps up...
Copilot : dunno...Lets Try
Me and my friend if we had together a job
First Officer: I forgot the checklist in the pilot lounge.
Captain: we got this.
This is the compulsory “hold my beer”...
> Pilot: Why won't this thing take off?
> Pilot: *Looks down at instruments*
> Pilot: 👁👄👁
This is a literal near-catastrophe. What if that TO config alarm had failed (like it has in past incidents)?! RUN THE CHECKLISTS!!
At least these guys were not dumb enough to disable the alarm by pulling the circuit breaker.
@The End , maybe... Spanair's MD-80 didn't!
No it isn't
the plane would take off just fine without flaps.
@@laplanta Nope. Rotation speed comes too slow. Pilots would get surprised and the plane run out of runway. They should had made an RTO!
Here is what happened here.
The pilots get on the runway and go to takeoff thrust. Once you do this, the plane will check to make sure it is properly set up for takeoff.
Since no flaps were down, the pilots get a warning horn in the cockpit.
At that point, they should have aborted the takeoff since if they forgot the flaps, what else did they forget?
A lot of people have died from pilots forgetting the flaps on takeoff in the past.
This is actually pretty sketchy.
Had they done that on a short runway - nobody would be laughing.
The same happened on a flight I was on back in '98, from JFK to London Heathrow on a 777. The pilot forgot to put the flaps down, as soon as the take off run started the pilot rejected the take off immediately, my face slammed on the back of the front seat and everybody screamed. Then we hear the noise of the flaps coming down and then took off.
0:42 you can see and hear the flaps moving down
I just came across this video.
The same thing happened to me on a flight out of JFK in New York. I always sit by the window. The pilot actually stopped the plane, turned around and took off again, this time with the flaps down. After hundreds of flights throughout the country I was well aware of how things should be done. No one else on the flight were even aware of it as they weren't when on another flight to Detroit where after control tower clearance, we almost landed on a plane that was taking off. It was a full throttle almost straight up escape that if it wasn't for the pilot announcing it afterwards, the other passengers were totally clueless.
Not putting flaps down could lead to a crash as the plane wouldnt be able to generate enough lift...thank God they remembered
If I were them I would abort the take off and re try
No not really, unless the runway is short they can still take off, but rotate speed will be higher and have to use more runway
@@deez1321, the calculated rotation speed would be wrong, and the pilot could lead to a stall if he did not notice the problem and rotated as normal.
Gee thanks Captain Obvious
@@TheCab2345 no problem captain dumbass😉
Flaps allow the plane to take off at a lower speed. That's all. If the runway is long enough, it can take off without flaps. No issues. But recommended practice is to use flaps for higher margin of safety.
Smaller planes, yes. Larger planes would very likely exceed the maximum tire speed before becoming airborne. Good chance of a blowout at one of the worst possible times.......
pilot to copilot...." why aren't we gaining altitude bro..?? " copilot.." dunno bro ...let me flip a switch or two ...!!! "
Thats how i sim it lol
Bruh!
Ooopsie daisy
I have yet to understand flaps like yes it slows you on landing but on take off I thought just pull up with the controls without need of flaps
@@mlee6050 Flaps create extra lift at slower speeds however they also add a lot of extra drag
FO: Did you hear about that guy who took off without turning the nav. lights on?
Capt: Wait, hold my beer ...
One more time the “Takeoff Warning Horn” saved the day!...and the life of all people on board!!!
To this day the plane is still flying around as the pilot had forgotten to land. Some say its due to a lack of a landing horn reminder others say its stupidity... guess we will never know
Thank goodness for the advance in technology of on board Wi-Fi so this UA-cam could post this video while still in the air. Otherwise who knows how long we would have waited
I'd say you were about 7 -10 seconds from not having enough lift and than probably stalling. You know the rest. A few years ago I was on a flight from NY to Aruba. After lift off I could hear this whining sound that I'm sure no one else heard. I was in the USAF and Calibrated the Electronics used to Calibrate the F-16's Electronics. We were very detailed in our work. One small bad setting and maybe a Pilot doesn't return. That being said I immediately recognized the sound of a Hydraulic Motor coming from the center of the fuselage. I figured it had to be the Landing gear Hydraulic Motor was stuck ON. I called the Stewardess and reported it. I told her it must have a manual over ride ( like the Pilot doesn't know this ) 3 seconds after the cockpit door opened the motor sound was gone. She returned and said thanks. This is no big deal until the motor over heats and burns out, or a hose bursts from too much pressure, and we lose the landing gear. Before landing it had the same issue. The motor stayed running. I prayed all their hoses were in good shape and we landed without incident. I always wonder if anyone else would of noticed the problem if I didn't .......and why didn't the Cockpit have some type of alarm for this ? It should.
"My plane, I configure it whenever the hell I want " 🤣
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Are you a pilot train on that aircraft and it’s procedures? BTW The flaps were extended before take off abort minimums...else they would have aborted ..flaps impact speed...it’s “possible” in order to gain speed quickly...(short runway-whatever) they may have minimized the process, though, the flaps had been extended at least partially before the pilot began the take off run...do you know the length of that specific runway or what affects what the procedure or circumstances where which affected their decisions? you nor I don’t have the fact so ...making assumptions to fit the moment is presumptuous.
Every airline and pilot checklist for takeoff requires the aircraft to be fully configured *BEFORE* the commencement of takeoff roll. In this case, it's likely the plane issued a beep or warning of flaps not configured which led to the pilots actually doing what should have been done during taxi/holding.
The pilot didn't forget. He he/she deployed them just before reaching takeoff speed in order to a] accelerate faster (very effective if the runway is shorter than average for the plane type); and, b] it reduces fuel consumption by no small amount (due to reduced drag).
Fuel flow *per engine* during the takeoff roll for an average commercial jet can be around 1.2 gallons per second (i.e., 72 gallons per minute, which is ~4,300 gal / hr). This technique can save ~0.4 gal / sec / engine. Considering that on average it takes about 30 seconds to take off, the average gas saved is around 25 gallons for a twin-engine jet, and because takeoff speed is reached faster, it will take less time to reach initial climb speed of ~250 knots, and depending on wind conditions, the technique can save about 100 to 200 gallons per flight for a standard 2 engine commercia l jet (e.g., a Boeing 737 or an Airbus A320). That adds up quickly for a commercial airline.
*IF* the runway is long enough *AND* wind conditions are favorable, a pilot may opt to do a zero-flap takeoff. A zero-flap is not common, but it does happen intentionally from time to time.
Zero-flap landings also occur, but usually due to the flaps failing to extend during approach. Flapless landings are just as safe as normal landings, but the plane will need more of the runway to stop because the landing speed will be faster by about 20 to 50 knots (~23 to ~58 MPH).
First, you have to remember on some configurations, the lower stages of flap will mostly add drag and very little lift. Sometimes that extra notch of full flaps is only there to change the camber of the wing to add a bit of a nose down attitude to help with visibility on landing. Both are items you do not require on takeoff.
Now, when selecting flaps for take-off there are two things to consider: runway length and obstacles to clear after the runway:
Runway Length
Generally when lowering flaps your Vmu (the speed at which you become airborne, “minimum unstick speed”) will decrease. This means a shorter runway for normal stages of flaps. As you continue to add more flaps your Vmu will be lower, but because of the added drag, which decreases acceleration, it will actually take a longer distance to reach that lower Vmu. There is a sweet spot in-between, though. “Take-off Flaps” is not always designed to give you the shortest takeoff roll.
Obstacle Clearance
And that is because once airborne, the more flaps you have deployed, the higher the drag, the less excess thrust available, thus the less you can climb. Simply put, you are now flying at a low speed and barely climbing. Not a good idea if there are tall trees waiting for you at the end of the runway.
It would be illegal to take-off on full flaps if:
POH says it is prohibited,or
For commercial flying, if the flap setting does not provide the minimum required gross obstacle clearance climb gradient (depending on the type of operation and number of engines, between 2.4%-3.0% ).
Very true, I had to do this a few times. Cross winds love to play with flaps..
Given enough runway the plane WILL take off, regardless (just a bit faster)
don't presume anything till you know the facts.
CPL + 30 years flying...worldwide, on just about everything.
Pilots are very familiar with what flap settings are needed and the exact setting is calculated before departure. Putting down flap to the extent where drag overcomes the lift advantage is irrelevant here, because the FM tells you exactly what you should be setting. I can tell you no 737 ever under normal operating conditions will take off at flaps zero. The POF about lift and flaps generalised across all aircraft is not relevant to this specific situation.
I once went on a flight where they forgot to bring on board those little bottles of booze! We deployed the emergency chutes and got the hell out of there!
OmegaPoint042 😂😂😂
Spanair Flight 5022 comes to mind. May they rest in peace.
The "flaps gage" must have been almost on E before he took off.
They only remembered because the aircraft alerted them to an incorrect T/O flap config. If the plane didn't alert them they wouldn't have noticed, pretty scary.
If that pilot neglected to deploy the flaps on the take off role a crash would have been immanent.
It is amazing what can happen. We had a military jet fly from the mainland to Hawaii with the pitot tube covers on. The maintenance personnel missed it, the flight crew missed it during preflight checks, the crew that marshalled the plane out missed it, production supervision missed it, and the aircraft had airspeed indication problems from the start, but still flew across the pond.
I’ve never heard of the Pacific referred to as the pond before. That’s always been reserved for the trans Atlantic crossings, mainly US to UK..but also US to Europe.
Glad you lived to tell us your story
as a pilot, he did not forget, I actually get going faster before I engage my flaps. This is not a big deal.
Thanks, everyones bashing the pilot. But the flaps are extended during take-off. No worries, video pointless.
@@planaproject Maybe when you are flying your private jet in Flight Simulator X but in real life it *IS* a biggie. Never seen a big boy's checklist have you. 🙄
This is very wrong indeed. I see comments here saying it was okay. It isn’t. I’m no airline pilot, but in my many years as a passenger (over 1.5 million miles on one airline alone) I’ve never seen the flaps extended during the take off roll. I’m sure it must be done earlier as the pilots need to verify correct deployment before starting the roll.
If i had taken the video, I’d be tempted to send a copy to the FAA for their opinion.
I would be scared shitless the rest of that flight
No need. Video's intent was to scare and misinform. Look at video again and you will see flaps were extended prior to Takeoff. Poster was behind the wing, not in the cockpit, so this was a very uninformed poster.
@@KirkLundgreen takeoff roll counts as takeoff
I found an article about this flight.
Here is a small excerpt:
The passenger then contacted the TUI fly Netherlands flight safety officer and e-mailed him the video. The captain never filed a report or mentioned the error in the technical log. TUI fly Netherlands filed an air safety report and the airline reviewed the wet-lease with AirExplore. Apparently the captain of that particular flight was fired and the wet-lease contract with AirExplore ended after the season.
He was on noflap😂. (Was it November, Captain?)😂
I said no fap November , not no flap !!
That's a big time fuckup on behalf of both pilots. Could easily of ended in disaster before warning systems were in place
@Thomas2013000 where did you got that crap from, flaps don´t really produce any drag at low speeds
Yes, it's a very big fuckup.
Back in 1977 I was on a 727 flight leaving Atlanta where the crew forgot to extend the flaps for takeoff. As soon as they applied takeoff power the configuration warning must have sounded because the takeoff was aborted. The crew set the flaps while we were on the runway then continued with the takeoff as if nothing had happened.
When you’re checked but ignored so there’s no need to cross check since you didn’t bother checking anyways. Roger Roger. What’s our vector victor.
You have clearance, Clarence.
That's why the takeoff config alarm is important
Oh oh, somebody forgot to go over their takeoff check list.
To someone looking out of the window who knows aviation, that must have set the heart pumping. No take off flaps never ends well.
That really depends what plane you’re in.. 😉
Holy moly. Those passengers don't know how close they were to death!!!
They know it now !
If you are a passenger and see this situation, scream that the flaps are up to the flight attendant.
The plane never enters the take-off runway without flaps.
These guys were saved by the take-off configuration warning.
In other news:
Pilot lowers landing gear during flare.
Maybe they like to live dangerously
[Sound of Master Caution alarm going on]
It would be a triple chime master warning, trust me. Followed by an aural "CONFIG FLAPS". Followed by an "Oh shit!"
Take off configuration alarm sounded for sure. Thank god
When I was still flying, if we were taking off from a hot and high field we would start the take off roll and wait till we had half the rotate speed before selecting flaps. But I didn't fly airliners.
Makes sense if you want to gain speed quickly then set flaps accordingly which will give you lift without stress since speed is almost at rotation point. Less drag!
They didn’t forget. They just didn’t get to that line item number on the checklist in time for takeoff 🛫😝
That's like the 2nd one on the list tho
Actually it is the 1st step on the Taxi Checklist. So they must have totally skipped that checklist completely!
I see all of the above are well aquainted with Boeing checklists, so much so that they know exactly every items of the checklist.
Just to clarify flaps on a 737 are on the before t/o checklist which generally includes:
Flaps: 1 trought 15 depending on type of a/c and performance requirements.
Stabilizer trim: necessary units depending on weight and balance.
May depend on airline SOPs but haven't seen a different one so far.
Which checklist? They seem to have managed to forget it from THREE checklists
Captain: "Oh shit, flaps."
Co-Pilot: "I am, I am, but I'm getting tired."
Sometimes i noti e checklists not being followed all around the world like landing or strobe lights still on taxiing to gate.
Captain : I chose the wrong day to take off without flaps .. !
When I was a student pilot I got clearance from Ground to taxi to the runway and was puzzled why the plane wasn't moving. I realized... shut off the engine quickly and untied my rudder line to the cheering of 30 mechanics watching my epic fail.
Lol I’ve left the chocks in place and tried to taxi away. Embarrassing moment that you learn from.
How do they forget?? They do a before-takeoff checklist lmao
Oh, it's worse than that. "Flaps" is in the taxi checklist, the before-takeoff checklist AND the takeoff checklist. I'd be seriously interested what else they "forgot" while they were rushing to get in the air
The significance of this is that the “Before Takeoff” checklist MUST be done before taking the runway. Flaps are a part of the checklist. So, either the checklist wasn’t accomplished, or it wasn’t accomplished with the attention that is necessary. I suspect the Takeoff Warning Horn sounded off when power was applied. That too is VERY disturbing because it one of a few reasons for aborting the takeoff. Instead, it appears that they selected flaps during the takeoff roll. If a crew did this on a check ride, they would fail. If they did it with the FAA observing, they would have their certificates suspended, or possibly revoked. Revocation is like never having held a pilot certificate. The pilots would have to spend over a year and tens of thousands of dollars earning them back. And then, good luck finding an airline that would hire them.
What airline was this? There are so many deviations from SOP in this video.
Pilots be like: we paid the whole runway we use the whole runway.
Dont say "be like"
Ilyushin il86 be like:
And the next runway if needed.
@@davidkamen lol
This reminds me playing fsx withn mouse and keyboard 🤣🤣🤣