The flight that CRASHED after 10 seconds | Spanair 5022
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What caused Spain’s worst air disaster in 25 years? At first glance the cause appears straightforward, yet deeper inspection reveals a series of unlikely and related malfunctions. Watch to find out what happened in the critical hours leading up to this disaster.
This video uses findings from the official accident report to recreate the series of events that led to the crash of this MD-82.
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00:00 Intro
00:33 Passengers and crew
02:21 The first takeoff attempt
04:37 Troubleshooting at the gate
6:59 Second Takeoff Attempt
9:51 The investigation
12:37 Safety reccommendations - Розваги
I've seen a lot of videos that say the reason the planes crashed was because of the flaps, but they never explain to us viewers why the planes crash because of the flaps. I'm sure most here are pilots or least knowledgeable of what flaps are and why they are important, but some here like myself are ignorant of those details. I wish one these aviation channels would explain in detail what they are and what they do. I looked on the internet but didn't get much help. Great video though.
Great point, and I’m pinning this so others can see. In future videos I’ll explain this stuff more.
The flaps are important because they make the wing bigger. Wings are what enables planes to fly in the first place, so having bigger wings makes it easier to fly. People tend to complicate it, but it’s actually that simple.
Why are the flaps only used during takeoff and landing, then? Surely if they help the plane fly, they should be left there for the whole flight? The answer to this is that the drawback of having a bigger wing, is that there’s more surface for the air to drag against, and slow the plane down.
A plane is most fuel efficient when it’s flying high and fast, and for that, you need a smaller wing that doesn’t drag on the air so much. The flaps are no longer needed when you’re travelling fast anyway, because there’s so much air passing over the wing at any given moment, that the wing can easily fly.
So the solution is to have a wing that can be big when it needs to be (i.e. when the plane is travelling slow, like at takeoff and landing), and small when it needs to be (like during the cruise). And that’s what flaps are! Wing extensions.
@@GreenDotAviation Wow! Thank you so much for taking the time to explain, and in detail, what they are and what they do. I appreciate that!
@@GreenDotAviation That's right as far as it goes. However, the flaps not only increase the wing area but also increase the wing's lift coefficient. Both the wing's area and its lift coefficient contribute to drag in flight.
Your videos are excellent; concise, clear, well researched and with great graphics.
@@GreenDotAviation thanks
Is the reason for the other 2 of 6 TOWS system failures known?
My flight instructor once told me how to handle delays (also applies to passengers); "It is better to be down wishing you were up, than being up wishing you were down".
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@@samstfsaviation_331nothing to say
@@CanyonF ooo
I hoed ur mom
Those words are written in gold, as we saw here.
I work on planes as a cargo/baggage loader. No matter how much pressure I’m under or how angry passengers are I always take my time when checking safety measures. An extra 30 min doesn’t hurt when it means you live on.
Thank you sir
Thank you! I hate flying
as someone with anxiety flying THANK YOU
Agreed, people get angry because they don't have any patience. Getting mad because McDonald's didn't get you your big mac on time is very different than getting mad that you have to wait longer for something that can claim your life.
Will you please stop destroying our luggage? Thank you.
For anyone that follows electronic music, Deadmau5 was supposed to be on this flight. He ran to the gate desperate to make the flight because he was playing another show and he needed to make this flight to get there on time. They wouldn't let him board. He watched the plane taxi away and then later...watched it crash.
They wouldn't?
Thank god...we wouldnt have masterpieces from him
Interesting!
Would or wouldn't? I can understand lol if they would let him board he'd be dead?!
@@999LightBeam666 Correct. If he was on time for the flight then he would have been on the plane and died in the crash. He discusses this in some interviews. Google "Deadmua5 plane crash"
I have to admit, every single time I fly off madrid airport, I cannot help myself but to look where the accident happened and feel sorry for all the lost lives. Fly high 🕊.
I have landed and taken off from Madrid 4 times in 2019. I had not known of this incident until Dec 11, 2022. I try not to think about it.
I started 6 h after the crash right over the wrack. It was horrible and I'm still a bit nervous when take off.
I wonder if people taking off from Chicago O'Hare think the same. I forget the flight number but a big DC-10 American Airlines jet crashed right after takeoff there in 1979 and I'm sure the field it ended up in is totally visibly from takeoff and landing.
@@MDK2_Radio I think that most people simply remain unaware about accidents. Most are somewhat scared of getting into airplanes, and knowing about these tragedies would simply worsen their fear. Another tragedy that is not really known about is the Spantax DC-10 accident, where the aircraft ran off the airport highway, taking lives.
Never really though about it. I just hate flying in and out of Madrid because of the airport and service.
The truly terrifying thing is how totally helpless you are as a passenger, so little you can do to make any difference at all.
Indeed
So scary...
The only transport that you have some control over as a passenger may be a ship/boat where you can Don a lifejacket ?
Yeah I hate being a passenger. Especially in cars or buses. I always feel the need to be in control. That's why I can't stand to sit in the back seat in cars
The amount of control you have in any situation is illusory. The vehicle has to be properly designed and maintained to do what it's supposed to do, but that's not a real issue most of the time. What is, however, is everyone else. Most are good enough at driving but it takes crossing paths with just one irresponsible person to upend all your abilities in a split second.
@@AverageAlien One of my wife's best friends from childhood was much the same way. She drove to our wedding because she couldn't stand flying for that reason. But sadly and ironically she was killed in a car wreck. She was driving and in control, but was forced into the path of an oncoming truck by someone passing that same truck in a blizzard. She swerved right but the snow embankment ricocheted her into the path of the truck. There's only so much you can control.
I'm actually really impressed with that other Spanair crew that decided to test their Takeoff Warning System just to see if it really did have a connection with the faulty Ram Air Temperature reading. Because of their reporting of the matter (and the reporting of other crews who noticed the same thing), they may have helped save future lives.
You should never be in a hurry whenever it comes to anything to do with safety checks and pre flight check lists. Safety standards and procedures must be followed and always be first.
And you should never have some dumb bimbo chatting up the pilot during preflight stuff.
@@flightforensics4523 Yep, you guessed it.
And STUFF THE COMPANY that employs you. It seems that in a world where there are more wannabe pilots than vacancies, pilots will take any job, and keep their heads down, rather than risk their jobs in whistle blowing about safety issues, falsified paperwork, or risking passenger's lives in flying into possibly unsafe airports rather than diverting to alternates because of company pressures/extra fuel costs. Who would YOU rather fly with: low cost (bring yer own flask of coffee & jam butties) or low risk? Would you rather have the pilots who just scraped their commercial licences or the ones who passed with flying colours? One fly-by-night, third rate, third world, family run, flying crap house, low cost killer airline comes to mind.
While that is a true (if banal) observation it's pretty hard not to hurry with the ground coming up to meet ya
@@annnee6818 Well, in this particular case, they would have never had their situation to begin with if they hadn't rushed safety procedures while they were still on the ground.
Great channel. I have a buddy who was in the RAF in the 80 s. As a junior officer he forgot to set his flaps for take off. It was noticed and no harm done. His CO made him wear a sign saying “ I am an idiot “ in the mess.
Lol. That is RAF. This Airlines was the bottom line. Go go go
The wearing of thr sign was actually a good way of teaching someone about a mistake (which wouldnt be allowed now as it would be classed as bullying) when you make a mistake in a task you are learning that leads to a personal consequence you tend to not make that mistake very often again and it sinks into to your memory better.
I was 8 years old when this happened, my mother convinced a coworker to spend her holidays outside of the city and she sadly died in this flight, I've never seen my mother so broken. It's a shame knowing it could have been easily avoided but it relieves me to know that after the crash new measures where put in place
The MD-80 is a poorly engineered aircraft. See the Alaska jackscrew failure as another example killing everyone on board. They should only be used for freight or banned completely along with all their variants.
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@@WalmartWhite.Why is that funny? Or is that meant to be a crying face?
@@circuit10look at his name and pfp. clearly bait.
@@xythrrwhy r u making fun of the name
Just read up on the only surviving crew member.
She sat at the front/nose of the plane.
When they hit the ground, she felt a sharp boom in her chest.
The nose of the plane broke off and she was thrown into the air and into a ditch that had water in it.
The rest of the plane behind her was incinerated.
She was badly shaken but remained conscious.
They brought her to intensive care with bruises all over her body, a broken arm, a cracked vertebra, a broken breastbone and a minor head wound they stitched up.
She was not burnt, she had all her hair and was stable.
Wow!
That's pretty cool, I'm afraid of planes because I know I will probably not be a survivors, and also because I watch too many of these videos 😢
Something tells me that a life of chronic pain followed
@@AlexandreG Its safe, be scared of cars, not of airplanes, these occasions are extremely rare, and they grow rarer by the year, they learn from close calls, and create regulations to prevent them.
@@thelazerproject dude I know the data, still doesn't stop me from being scared, you got one pilot having a bad day and bye cruel world
1 in 5000000 flights but it psychological fear
UA-cam algorithm gods were good to me. This channel is a gem find.
Thank you!
And gets on with things - I like the pacing!
Lol that's for sure!!
Oh yea! I found this at 1k subs and planning on being here for a while 👍💯
Same. Subbed
It's heartbreaking to learn that many passengers decided to get out of the plane after the first issue but the captain refused to let them out and asked them to get back to their seat to proceed with the second takeoff :/
Wow, that’s very sad. Especially considering that the issue the plane turned back for wasn’t the problem that (directly, anyway) doomed the flight.
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A pilot can prevent passengers from disembarking when it's safe to do so??? This sound very wrong. Considering what happened it's redundant but this amounts to kidnap, a very serious crime. Was the pilot insane? Relatives should have sued the airline that employed what sounds like a madman if this is what happened. It's a shame we can't turn back time and get the pilot flung off the plane if he was acting like this, and the other crew members also advised to disembark. If the pilot destroyed the plane and himself that is what an irresponsible airline deserved. He commanded people he had no authority over other than he behaved as though he had to die because of his own arrogance.😠👿.
@@flightforensics4523 Two questions:
1. Who are you replying to?
2. What is the lie and what is your evidence?
I have no evidence but am justifiably horrified if this is true. That being said, even if the pilot did not prevent passengers disembarking, but I do wonder why someone would make this up, the pilot showed a lack of professionalism. I've discussed expert error elsewhere on this site. Maybe though he thought it was kinder to keep the passengers cool now the plane was working. His priorities seemed more about schedules and the heat rather than meticulous decision making regarding whether the plane was now safe. He made mistakes, Humans do that. It is horrible to think his maybe hot and bothered mind prevented passengers from escaping, and living.
I'm reminded of hearing of a horrific incident in Russia, many decades ago. The pilot was flying a packed passenger plane, and his young son, a passenger, visited him in the cockpit (decades before 9/11! ) The pilot put the plane on auto-pilot, then left his son alone in the cockpit and walked down the aisle, talking to passengers. Well his son did something and the plane stalled onto a steep nosedive I believe. The plane was so unstable the Captain could not make it back to the cockpit in time to save the flight. Everybody on board died in the crash. Somehow I don't think that was what the Captain wanted. Pilots are fallible Humans. As they say with all makes of automobiles, the most dangerous part of any car to date is the nut behind the wheel.
@@delilahtuxedo6993 I think the fellow is saying that a pilot refusing to allow any passenger to disembark when an aircraft is having a mechanical issue of any type is unreasonable and unlikely. I could see airline staff encouraging a passenger to remain on board - but refusing to allow them off of a plane if they insisted to be let off - I also find very hard to believe. Doesn't sound reasonable.
It's really interesting and sad at the same time. remember this crash well, as I worked for Lufthansa at Munich airport that time. My colleagues checked in a German family with two children. They were originally booked via Barcelona to LPA but the flight was cancelled. They were rebooked via Madrid to the Canary island. I heard about the crash while I was at work. It was so shocking. A whole family wiped out just because they had to be booked on another flight
That is indeed a shocking experience.
@@Greylobster Sabine Zimmermann was a (in Germany) well-known German TV Anchor-Woman and TV Producer in Crime Stories from the late 1980ies until the first years of the new millenium, who unfortunately died in 2020. There´s also a German Politician named Sabine Zimmermann, she was Member of the Bundestag (German Parliament) from 2005 until 2021 for the Left Party ("Die Linke") - but I don´t think our Poster here is this Sabine Zimmermann. And btw.: This is alltogether off-topic.
It was gods way!
I was once on a plane where we had to sit for over two hours while they did “safety checks” obviously due to damage, a bird had hit the plane while landing. Once I heard this I got off the plane and said I’ll stay the night unplanned. I took the night flight home the next day. Nothing happened to that plane but it’s not worth risking my life. I plan to do this every time a plane needs to do anything extra because of worry. Your life is priceless.
Oh man, I am the same as you. Whenever theres something weird going on with planes I always want to get off to just be safe. I let myself be convinced to stay a few times by family and friends who were less worried but being anxious throughout the whole flight was hell. If I fly alone i‘m pretty sure i‘d be a lot more cautious.
They don’t let you get off the plane
Had something similar, waiting 2 hours in hot plane, then 2-3 hours in waiting area again, because the plane was replaced. Some passengers were so angry… I could not understand. I was so happy they weren’t fly with a plane with obvious technical problems. Yeah, delay is shitty but it is so much better to get later to your destination but SAFE.
Lmao the chances of this happening are so rare. You are overly paranoid this logic is ridiculous
Sounds far-fetched but even so, most crashes happen because such checks aren't duly executed or because of pilot error. Hardly any crash was due to a fault that was being fixed while still on the ground.
I was on my way to work when this plane crashed,it was close to 14.50 in a very hot day. I was ridding my bike close to the T4 terminal but quickly realized something wrong happened...So many ambulances were going to the crash place overtaking me,even fire trucks...I saw the smoke from the road close were the emergency vehicles were going onto the crash scene. It was a very sad moment,even I have nothing to do with the crash. I remember the faces of my partners when I asked to check the news. I placed a few flowers next day and had a moment for the people involved there. For months I had a weird felling while ridding that road in front of the crash place,I never got over the speed limit any more there when that road was like the wild west for me,very little traffic,quickest way from Alcobendas to Madrid.... special thing with this crash developed and since then I had been interested in aviation.
That´s a sad experience and an interesting story in once, thank you very much for sharing it.
That... really did escalate quickly. Wow.
Of all these aircraft accident channels, it is only this one I find worthwhile watching.
No sob stories, no dramatisations, no long winded explanations, just the facts and the physics involved narrated in a professional manner.
With awesome MSFS footage to help with visualizations!
This channel and Disaster Breakdown:-)
Mentor is good. The other one, with the American Pilot, with very short ginger hair, he's terrible. Telling stories in the first person????
What about the one that was that way before this that doesn't have any voice but just has a little bit of text to explain what's going on I like that one just as much
Sob stories?
Might be a bit of "Ace of the base" syndrome at work. Good single seat pilots can find it hard to work with crew... the rushing the check list and answering before looking actually couldn't save much time anyway, but when you are used to doing it all yourself then it's annoying waiting for someone to read out stuff you already know when you are in a "scramble" mode.
The most coherent and detailed explanation of this tragic crash of the three or four I have heard. Green Dot’s animations of aviation events stand out for their excellence. Narrated with clarity, written in an engaging style, yet thoroughly professional. When I do not understand a term, I can look it up. UA-cam at its best.
For some reason, this sounds like the Delta 727 crash many years ago. The crew also failed to deploy flaps and it turned out that they violated sterile cockpit rules by talking about other things unrelated to flight. The warning system also failed as the switch was unreliable and could easily get stuck.
I immediately thought of Northwest 255 in Detroit
@@ToyotaTom04 yeah and it's with a similar aircraft type.
Yes, indeed, it was simply Detroit twenty years later.
I'm from argentina and there was a similar accident with an airline called Lapa. There aint many videos in english thou
I’ve read at the time that there were some passengers at the plane sensing that something was not going right, that there was a toxic aggressive atmosphere even before boarding the plane as later in the plane as well then coming from the pilot and his crew. Those passengers asked to deplane themselves from the aircraft, which has been denied.
This fact alone makes me incredibly sad for the victim... They almost avoided death...
I’ve read other comments in this same video talking about how the atmosphere in the airport was already off as well. So eerie
@@louisaamabel708 no offense but every airport seems to be toxic and aggressive. At least in a America
@@Zach-mw5so this was in Madrid
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How can you be denied the chance to leave the plane if the doors are still open?
Outstanding work. You've earned another subscriber.
Had wondered if pulling the breaker on the heating element might have related to the slats and flaps warning failure. In modern aircraft, it seems almost unimaginable that a single point of failure for the warning of something as critical as takeoff flap settings could happen, yet it obviously did.
Thanks!
Technically, there is no reason that pulling the circuit breaker should result in a failure of the TOWS, however, the reality is that when the RAT heating element is malfunctioning, it’s sometimes because of a failure which disables both the proper functioning of the RAT heating element, and the TOWS. Very unlucky.
The amount of liability in this crash is staggering.
They literally forgot the most basic thing in a takeoff procedure, deploying flaps
And thought it was a mechanical problem and engineer didn't do his job
Wow, interesting that another crew had the same problem and decided to test the aircraft, knowing what had happened prior. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of this happening before.
I was living in Madrid at the time of the accident about 1 mile from the airport and was able to hear and then see smoke from the crash when it happened. My all those people rest in peace.
I'm surprised I never came across this channel before. I love the way you explain and are impartial in your reports... Keep it up! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾❤️
I was on the same flight Madrid to Gran Canaria the week before and was sat at the very back seats 💺 of the plane on the port side - before take off I could smell a strong whiff of aviation fuel - I reported it to the air hostess but she ignored my alert.
I was completely shocked when I heard of the accident about a week later.
Sorry for their loss.
I am an engineer trained on Rolls Royce Olympus aviation engines - majoring in internal combustion engines, metallurgy, and scalar and vector forces. I have extensive experience on engines and stress - the engine although I was not trained on that model did not sound in good health.
You were on the exact same aircraft as the one in the video? That's crazy.
@@Mortarion6666 I had to say something because the smell of the aircraft fuel was so strong
@@DrogonmoonNot saying it’s your fault, but with all your knowledge on this it could have been important if to warn more people at the airport once you got off your flight. Some staff I’m certain would have cared even if the flight attendant supposedly didn’t, which is very shocking to me. Living in America if you spoke on this and nothing got done, if you at least made a video in the airport and posted it to social media it would gain decent traction within a weeks time. Maybe attendant did tell pilots and they decided to ultimately ignore it, but I would have taken the extra mile to let some staff in some department or at the very least police know my concerns if everyone felt off that I talked to previous.
Thank you for this marvelous explanation!!! May all the victims Rest In Peace.
Extremely well presented & explained, this has become my aviation go to channel, thanks
That's why passengers should never get mad or angry and put pressure on the crew to fly them ASAP
Pilots are paid significantly more than most passengers to deal with pressure...
Pilots are SEALED OFF from ALL PASSENGERS. They ONLY listen to ATC!!!
This channel is awesome. Finally got this in my recommended vids. You do great work my man. Thank you
Thanks! Glad you're liking it.
It was shocking, I remember it as I just landed in Madrid (my city) recently. This accident led Spanair to file bankruptcy. Someone tried to inject cash as equity but it was too late.
Good, I feel like there should be an automatic massive fine, based on the company size for any fatal accident. This woukd be a power disincentive.
Señor, felicidades, MAD es el centro del mundo entero 😊
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I flew on an MD83 in 1993 on a flight to Zakynthos and I was so impressed with how comfortable the flight was, as well as the steep take off angle. It felt more like a rocket than a plane.
planes have to take off steep to get above incoming planes and he quicker they can level off the more fuel they save.
@@rosewhite--- please tell me you're joking
Love all your presentations. Keep up the excellent work.
Interesting information about the failure of the TOWS. Your videos are so well-done!
Another great channel for my couch pilot critique....excellent editing and research dad.
I have watched 6 of your videos in one day!!! One day! Honestly, I’m so glad I found the channel. Keep it up. I’m definitely going to be keeping up with the videos. I’m so happy I found the channel. Love the way you make the videos! I can’t wait for you to release more. I will have watched all of them by tomorrow!😂
Nice! Glad you’re enjoying them 😎
Well let's hope no more plane crashes! Its terrifying cannot get off is awful, I dont fly 😥Euro Tunnel way to go
Thank you for your time and effort in all your videos. I've been binging them.
great content, keep going, this channel will grow over time
Appreciate it!
The passengers included some crew positioning and I wonder why nobody noticed this glaring error, that the flaps were not extended?
It is something I always look for when flying and should generally be done before the aircraft starts to taxi.
So happy that I found your channel! So interesting and well produced! I assume you’re using MS Flight Sim - such a great game!
This is an excellent channel, good clear visual and commentary.
Thank you very much!
Great video thanks.
What a tragic and completely avoidable crash.
Great channel. Thanks for letting us know what happened without the drama
Thank you!
Imagine what the ground engineers went through before the investigation concluded. They would've felt terrible.
I just subscribed to your channel because this video is really great. I appreciate all the details you give about how it all happened. I'm glad you don't have any distracting music in the background (I'm a musician :-) Just a really good presentation and I look forward to seeing more!
Another problem with this accident is that, that day, they took off with a tail wind. Evan after this accident Barajas still has a tendency to operate in north configuration ( taking of from 36R and 36L) disregarding small winds wich is one more rung in the stair that leads to an accident
I hope they make pilots and future pilots watch these videos. What a great learning tool to study airplane disasters.
Another channel that presents information without dramatizing it. This is a style of video I like.
Thank you sir ! - Subscribed!
Thanks and welcome!
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Agree 100% I hate them channel's that are dramatic just for the sake of it..
Brilliant straight forward story telling and straight to it 👍🏼
new sub here.
Thanks Andy
Amazing channel, good job (from a current airline pilot) keep it coming.
Thank you Evan, will do!
"expectation bias" this tendency that humans have to "look without seeing" which leads us to only see what we expect to see. Fascinating. I note this expression for future reference. Superb presentation as always.
Yeah, it's funny how the job you practice changes how bad it can be. I'm a mailman and it happens to me from time to time. I read a certain adress on a letter or a parcel because I expect it to be a specific one but I'm mistaken. Fortunately, the consequences are not serious at all
New sub! Love the lucid and detail filled content!
Awesome, thank you!
Usually probe heaters on the ground are disabled through the WOW switch (Weight Off Wheels) sometimes called the "squat switch." Also, systems breakers are disabled as part of postflight. Because of course when ground maintenance, or anyone, might happen to touch the probe it's something you'll remember forever. I've seen maintenance being performed when a switch was bad and the plastic probe covers were installed, normal because the sharp edges, and in a matter of minutes the covers are just dripping on the ground.
Watching these videos it fascinates me how thorough we as people are in investigating and preventing plane accidents and it's peculiar because flying is by far one of the safest things we do. It's more dangerous in a car or going to school. Why don't we apply the same effort in other accidents in society. People throw their hands up when there's a school shooting "like there's nothing we can do" yet so determined when a plane crashes to let it never happen again
Truly, the rest of us could learn A LOT of lessons from how the world of aviation operates.
I discovered this channel today and just like that my productivity took a dive. I'm not complaining though.
Great vid and brilliantly narrated
Excellent video! 💛🙏🏼
Wow, great content and detail! I'm an engineer, not a pilot, but the interaction between the hardware and pilots is fascinating. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed!
The previous video I watched was a Peruvian flight: ua-cam.com/video/jIz6vODilro/v-deo.html
Unbelievably, they had four altitude outputs (3 in the cockpit and one with ATC) that all relied on the same single sensor. As an engineer also, I cannot believe Boeing just don't understand how to implement duplicity correctly.
With watching these videos, I now realise how UNSAFE flight in commercial airliners actually is. There are so many things that are simply disasters waiting to happen :(
In this modern era, I wonder if manufacturers or operators could and should install cameras in specific locations, so anyone can see and check the critical parts of aircraft: flaps, ailerons, landing gear, engines, etc. It would provide an additional layer of information that anyone could see. It could even be web based, so someone on ground could monitor and give feedback for takeoffs and landings.
Nice idea, but I wonder if it doesn't just lead to more information overload. The pilots are already looking at tons of dials, screens, and digital displays. I don't think adding a couple more screens helps the situation any.
Hopefully ai will be more accurate than humans
@@nullplan01 it doesn’t have to be always on information. your phone can provide seemingly infinite information but it’s up to you if you want to access it.
And who would answer the hundreds of thousand phone calls from people who know nothing about flying an airplane? What would you do when the plane was preparing to take off and the phone rings because Joe Schmuck in Hazard Kentucky has a question about what looks like a big or maybe a loose rivet? Would you abort the take off? This idea would immediately cripple all air travel. Pilots have screen info and indicator lights that tell them component positioning, if they blow past verifying the indicator lights what makes you think they would follow the procedure and look at the camera. All the equipment in the world will not prevent humans from making mistakes and taking short cuts.
I'm thinking that too. If we have them on Tesla vehicles and SoaceX rockets we should have them on planes. No good reason why that should be impossible.
you're good man keep up the good work, Just subscribed, hope your channel grows, well not hope i know it will grow in no time
Thank you!
Thank you very much for this very informative video!
Expectation bias. I see it all the time as an airline Captain. Obviously, it's deadly. And so sad because it is so avoidable. Checklists, policies and procedures are only effective if used properly. R.I.P.
There is a saying we used in the Army Air Assault Repel Masters Course- this is sling loading equipment/personnel and repelling from helicopters. The saying was "look at what your touching, touch what liking at" as you sound off your checklist. This was in the early 90s. I'm not sure if they still use that method, but to this day I still use those procedures anytime I'm inspecting or configuring something. I say this because I recognized their similar procedure that should have identified the flaps issue.
"look at what you are touching , and touch what liking at" What the hell is that supposed to mean? Gibberish like that is what kills people.
You are so precise with your descriptions of things I applied to be a training pilot for AA.
I started playing Microsoft flight simulator a couple months ago, and it lead me to your channe, One of the best aviation channels out there!
Setting the Flaps correctly and checking before take-off is crucial for safe rotation, How the hell did both those guys miss that?.
Didn't you watch the video?
@@troo_storyI don't need to watch the video I'm a Pilot and never ever miss very basic things like that on take off.No flaps and Nose up on that Aircraft is a recipe for disaster.If you understood the principles of flight and the configuration of those engines on that Aircraft you would understand exactly what I'm talking about, I'll give you a clue Wing Area with zero flaps and how that affects rotation on takeoff.
not good pilots
@@louisdisbury9759 if you think never miss anything, you’re a dangerous pilot.
@@peteconrad2077 Cant Agree I flew Gliders for10 years us guys never miss anything.
I also just discovered this channel. Love , love, love air crash investigations or re-creations. Superb research and excellent graphics. Just, sadly, the videos get a large number of Ad Break interruptions which is probably due to its popularity. I find that built-in ads like what Mentour Pilot does, generates fewer ad-break interruptions.
Great video thank you for downloading
Thank you for the information.
Makes you wonder how many people are alive today because the pilots were able to keep the plane in the air in spite of blowing through the checklist and leaving things undone. I remember the story of the Doolittle raid, where B-25s had to take off from a carrier. Flaps were of paramount importance, and yet one crew forgot them and still managed to keep it in the air. Must have been a very high wind.
They were extremely lucky. not only must of there been a high wind the wind must have been coming from the correct direction and angle to help with lift.
When u think about it, we are basically riding passenger rockets everywhere. It's much more complicated than one considers on board.
Excellent re-creation!
These videos are great
I’ve been watching all of them for the last few days
Well done
Liked subscribed commented 😂
I think you have the absolute BEST presentation and content on aviation accidents from an educational and summary point of view. (ATP > 22,000 hours, Typed B737, DC9, F27)
I’m delighted to hear that, thank you 😊
Its crazy that they wouldn't have a independent power source for the take off warning system.
Nice channel , crisp explanation
Thanks for this video it was very informative
Glad you liked it!
There should not be mistakes due to timing pressure . Focus on your job and forget nothing. That’s why they have check lists. Focus on your job or Go go get a paper route. You have lives in your hands.
Wow. Thanks for this incredible wisdom Einstein.
“Just never make mistakes” isn’t really a helpful attitude
Just found your channel; love the content and detail, and animation and backing music. Maybe just me? I found your pacing just a tad fast; I really wanted to catch everything, as the telling was done well. Good video; looking forward to more in 2022. Thanks!
Thank you! I'll keep this in mind about the pacing.
@@GreenDotAviation Yes mate try to speak a little bit slower. I usually watch videos at 1.25X or 1.5X speed but in this case I had to set speed at 0.75X. First time ever lol. Great video anyway! Thanks
@@GreenDotAviation Yes please. Don't want to miss anything.
Super commentary. Well done .
Thanks :)
@@GreenDotAviation You on took a great deal of care with your words. I admire you.
Accurate
New subscriber. I enjoy the narration because i listen while at work.
One thing worth noting. Deadmau5 was scheduled to be on this flight, but missed the plane. If he was on that plane this crash probably would be a lot more well known.
Who?
When I was 7 in 1957 I took a DC4 prop plane to Germany from NY. Soon after take off an engine caught fire and had to return to transfer to another similar plane. I still remember the panic when that fire started over the Atlantic.
An accident due to the same reason occurred prior in August of 1987. Northwest flight 255 taking off from Detroit. The forward slats were not extended.
Thx for this comprehensive analysis of this crash. Many factors led to this tragedy. Interesting to mention the psychological factors too. You have a new follower.
Thanks! As long as humans fly planes, there’ll be a psychological element to crashes.
Really interesting channel, I hope many people discover it and join soon. It's already on the top of my list of aviation security related channels. I appreciate you take the time to develop those incidents. The more details the better. Thank you.
Great to hear! I'll keep that in mind about the details.
Excellent content
Second time viewer of your channel; subscribed.
Welcome!
It is a shame that captain ignored the co pilot on the check list
It should be a rule that, if the captain is purposefully ignoring he rule and checklists, the co-pilot can take over that part, or use violance on that captain if the captain is inwilling to cooperate.
I don't want to die in the hands of idiots
Sad truth is that if both pilots aren’t cross checking each other on each item of a checklist or an approach briefing, they’d be safer flying as a single pilot.
Can't remember where I heard this but it went something like "Better to be late and alive than to arrive at a quick death." It was originally a quote about speeding in a car, but it still applies here in their urgency to leave
The captain rushed it,simply procedures are very important.never think your flying long enough,no flaps to fly
A commercial pilot, who is a friend, told me once that the stratospheric salaries paid to pilots are for not flying the regular 999 flights out of the 1000. It is for the one one flight out of a thousand that requires split second thinking and presence of mind that will eventually save the plane and hundreds of lives.
Stratospheric salaries?? That’s a very odd claim. What airline was this friend of yours referring to?
@@longfadeI'm assuming it's a pun on the stratosphere and a reference to their 6 figure salaries.
I think this was the flight Deadmau5 just missed...he told the story in a poadcast...the gates were closed and they wouldnt let him board anymore...he was mad about missing a booking later on...and then proceeded to watch "his" plane crashing down...that must have been a disastrous feeling...
I used spanair few times 2003 and i just remember how much weird noises and light flickering and rattling it did when getting off of that runaway.
Your single video made me subscribe
Shocked this channel is so small. It must be a second or third channel. The narration seems very professional.
Thank you! I just started it in October, so it’s early days :)
@@GreenDotAviation Well done so far! I'm glad I'm in at the start! I'll share your content on my social media! Can't wait to see your take on all sorts of incidents. Sioux City, Delta 191, Air Florida, especially the job of the helicopter pilot there. I'm looking forward to it!
Thanks, that’d be great! And yes I’ll definitely be covering those at some point.
With so many things can go wrong with flying its amazing how many planes fly