Nice video, love the idea! One thought: specify the flight numbers instead of «Pilot» and «Other pilot» in subtitles. It's confusing, because there are two pilots on the one plane :-)
I want to be a pilot and this type of videos is very helpful and instructive, and it's also a good way to get used to the sound, a little difficult to understand sometimes
Those were scary, but the training and the professional calmness of both air and tower crew kicked in and did it's job. Well done to everyone involved.
I'm not a pilot & I'm not going to pretend like I know what I'm talking about but on the last one when the pilots lost pressure made me think that there was crucial time lost when the Tower/ATC communicated with the pilots. For example, when the ATC did multiple "Filled Pauses". ie. "Um" @ 13:16 & 13:33 I'm wondering if because the ATC's training & experience to stay calm could hinder communications? When done correctly elevated stress especially in emergencies can greatly benefit your ability to comprehend logistics & surrounding environments.🤷♂️ *** I understand that the time between the ATC & Pilot communications to each other isn't real world. So because of this there is definitely a strong argument that it wouldn't have mattered. At least in this scenario...
@@Extraterrestrial-With-A-Finger You have to remember that both the Tower and aircrew have check lists they have to go through when any incident happens and the tower is trying to get information to pass on to Emergency services, so a lot is happening on both ends at the same time, luckily other aircraft in the area saw the aircraft go down close to land and the Coast Guard were in the area.
@@Chuck59ish Yeah I can only imagine... I'll tell you this much. I'm completely comfortable with letting the pilots & ATC worry about all that stuff. I get nervous when I'm sitting in the emergency aisle. I feel like I'm going to forget the extra procedures.😏 That's not really saying much though because I can't even remember what I ate for breakfast the other day.😁
@@dfuher968 they didn't communicate the emergency well enough, though. No mayday, no panpan, no nothing. They're speaking about their checklists instead of vectors towards the airfield ASAP as if it's a B-36 with 10 engines to lose, and by the time they get really concerned, there's no energy to make it. It took some time for the ATC to understand the severity of the issue, and other flights probably wouldn't overspeak the communication on the frequency.
The most unfortunate part of the Rhoades 810 ditching is that they misdiagnosed Engine 1 as the failed engine when it was actually Engine 2. So, they shut down the good engine instead of the bad one.
Thank you for posting this I was actually curious because I know those planes are capable of flying and maintaining altitude with just 1 engine but obviously turning a jet into a glider is not going to maintain anything.
@@ryanyoung7433 From my understanding the APU has to be activated for at least 3 minutes prior to trying to start engine, so shutting off the wrong engine turned the plane from something that probably could have made it into something that had no chance.
A common issue with pilots in unexpected situations is that they reach whats called "task saturation" where they are unable to add or change any workload because the load involved in flying the plane is reaching or beyond their ability to respond to new input. ATC and pilots are taught how to handle this situation but ATC has no real way of understanding what that limit is.
how first guy who landed in water stayed calm through whole thing blows my mind. by looks horrible weather with horrible water. dark. and knowing your doing water landing. (one most dangrous landings you can do) Hats off for how he handled that.
Impressive ditching sure, but it shouldn’t have happened in the first place. They shut down their only good engine after improperly doing the checklist.
The ditching off of Oahu was caused because the pilots misidentified the failing engine and shutdown their only working engine, the damaged engine was unable to provide the power needed to return to the airport. Both pilots survived thanks to the effort by the coast guard and local ships.
I am so in awe of how calm the controllers and pilots are in these situations. As an RN, staying calm was essential in emergencies. I cannot imagine being in a hurtling airplane!
@@bonnie3232yeah me too as a Bronx firemen… we definitely don’t use the word thank you… as a recall.. the first arriving chief at 9/11 went on the air and screamed “ 10-60 send me everything you got” 10-60 is radio code which means major emergency
As a firemen in da Bronx USA… these pilots are brave and get my total respect… How calm the remained is unbelievable….. knowing the plane was going down into the water….
Wow! The first clip is INSANE! She is so, So Calm and Professional! If that's me ( and of course that will Never happen) I will SCREAM Non-Stop - RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHTTTTT >>>>>>>
These are awesome, lucaas! Hope to see more! Always impressed by how calm the pilots and ATC are in these scary emergencies. Clear signs of *aviate, navigate, and communicate* rules in an emergency, in case others wondered why the pilots didn't respond right away to ATC.
Well let's hope that's what it was that they were dealing eith a flight issue , but a quick ATC controller who stayed calm you like to think good but do soon after take off you do have yo think about other intentions either way the ATC controller saved a lot of lives I guess the pilots would have to explain what it was about
As for the aircraft with the loss of pressure, the "alarms sounding" in the background was indeed the cabin altitude alarm. I'm sure the controller could immediately tell what the issue was upon hearing that.
Disagree. When the controller heard the alarm sounding, I'm sure that they could immediately tell that there was a problem - but it's unlikely that they could identify what the specific problem was. An Air Traffic Controller may or may not be a pilot in their spare time, but it's not part of their job requirement to be able to fly. Even if the Controller is a trained pilot, it's extremely unlikely that they're trained in the specific aircraft type that has the problem.
ATC are usually amazing at their jobs but no they don't all have pilot experience. A colleague of mine previously did tower control for a military airfield and he controlled fast jets and cargo planes and VIP planes but never flew anything.
That's the cabin altitude alarm, and it can't be recalled with the master caution button, only with the tiny "Altitude horn cutout" button on the overhead panel next to the pressurization controls. ... I may or may not have had to take off in a flight sim with an entry door still open and climb to 10k feet to learn this...
2059 - Apparently the off duty pilot was coming down from a bad mushroom trip. He thought he was living a nightmare and tried to crash the plane so he would "wake up."
The "interference" was the Honolulu ATC kept stepping on the pilot's transmissions before he finished his sentences. Sometimes he wasn't even halfway his sentence when ATC started talking over him. Making things very confusing for both sides.
The professionalism of the controllers and pilots is very impressive. You could hear a little stress in the controller for the aircraft that landed in the water, but she handled it expertly. The thing I was wondering, especially in the first two incidents, was why were the radios so garbled if they just took off from the airport they were communicating with? It would seem being that close, the transmission would be much better.
I don't even understand how pilots are able to talk on radio. Between the quality of the signal and fast unarticulated english, I can barely catch half the words.
@@krostouin You get an ear for it with a bit of practice. Usually you're expecting a certain type of information in a certain format so that helps too.
The audio was most likely received and published on LiveATC by volunteers nearby but with inferior equipment like a VHF scanner and short antennas placed on a house, not on a tower. These aren't the official audio tapes recorded by ATC. Pilots and ATC would have better reception.
@@krostouin I was thinking about that as well. They do get used to their "language" of ATC - Pilot talk after enough experience, but in some foreign countries, it still has to be difficult.
The off - duty pilot incident has been covered in detail by @Mentour Pilot on youtube.. Highly recommend it for understanding why he tried to shut the engines off.. (For those who are interested)... Overall a great video man... Would like to see more of these...... You my man just earned a subscription.... Keep it up...
Honestly it was kind of irritating.. there was no patience or courtesy to each other. They both constantly stepped on eachothers comms without letting the other finish the transmission..
That controller needs some serious retraining. The flight declared an emergency, and she still instructed them to turn to V2 and continue outbound TWO MORE TIMES. Clueless.
You should do another series of these including FedEx Flight 705 which was an incident in the 1990’s when an off-duty pilot attacked the pilots and tried to hijack the aircraft. The pilots acted heroically to subdue him and eventually succeeded but not without serious injury to all three of them, and to the would-be hijacker. Later all the pilots were awarded a gold medal for heroism. I actually expected the attempted hijacking incident in this video to be FedEx flight 705, but the one in the video was certainly terrifying too, though the outcome was less dramatic as it turned out.
I’d heard about the Rhoades Express incident in other videos and from reading about it, so while that clip was playing I slowly started to realize it was that same flight. It was a really cool feeling to have that realization!
Not only do I respect ATCs for the ability to remain calm under pressure, but I also really respect their ability to understand complete mush-mouth pilots.
Great format, just wish you would add more color to each situation. You pretty much say everyone was safe and end it. With anticipation so high, it would be nice to hear additional details like the aftermath, cause, etc. rather then the abrupt endings. cheers!
That second one in Hawaii seemed like pilot and controller were not very experienced. Either of them should have realized Kalaeloa was probably doable, but she mentioned it way too late. Seems like they could have made it there
Cut her some slack man she had a lot of shit going on behind the scenes trying to call the crash trucks, communicate w/ the rest of the twr, clear her RYs, And vector those two back? It's a lot of phraseology to spit and shit to manage. + Having them land at Kalaeloa so late she'd essentially have to redo a bunch of what she had already done calling the other airport to tell them what is happening would've taken several minutes she didn't have. We're told early in our training 'dont hand off a shit sandwhich' from what I saw I'm bettin' that was what she was trying to avoid. not sayin' she was totally in the right I'm just saying maybe we should be a little bit more compassionate before passing judgement.
Its not ATC fault the plane crashed because the pilots thought engine 2 was working fine and that engine 1 is the faulty one when engine 1 was the working one and they increased power to the faulty engine 2 which caused them to ditch
I think they were having trouble hearing her thed got a problem I eould say the e got oxygen masks on why as moo e developed microphones inside pilots and air stewardess oxygen masks wee passengers ideally as well, if I was married and 2as hoping on holiday with loved ones if we know we were going to crash I'd want to say to person I love you etc she sounded ecpasarted I guess she was shocked when plane had gone down in sea, I never heard her say when captain said we've got problems has your oxygen masks come done, if they said yes we'll the ATC could have then said don't go below blah very sad
The tower controller handling Rhoades Express 810 was very professional and yet caring and compassionate all at once. Need more people like her in the world
As a controller, I have nothing but respect for that woman. She was under an extreme amount of stress managing an aircraft with inexperienced pilots, calling the emergency vehicles, clearing not one but Both of her runways so that they might have the Opportunity to land safely If they had managed to get close enough, vectoring the distressed aircraft to the other airport, then having to contact that new airport to alert them of the AC coming towards them, not to Mention dealing with the multiple other aircraft on her freqs trying to land/take off. You are not the only plane in the sky bub. Cut her some slack man.
On the Rhodes Express 810, actually only engine number 2 was lost but they misidentified and instead thought number one was lost which caused this whole thing, if they would have moved both the throttle sticks instead of only the one for the engine 2, they would be able to perfectly land. the pilot who spoke had actually been through 4 engine failures, but he had a lot of respect for the first officer because the first officer hadn’t ever been wrong in anything in front of the captain, that’s why when the first officer said engine 1 was the failed one, the captain went along with it
The Roades 810 video... it's amazing to me that even though ATC and the pilot were very calm, they both seem to have needed more training on how to use a radio. They kept talking over each other, thus NOT getting their transmissions delivered. Stuff like this is what adds more danger on top of al already disaster.
The ATC tower of the ditching accident was the worst tower I've ever heard, she kept interfering all the time way before they could finish their speech, she definitely should have waited just 2 seconds more before pushing the button, it would have eliminated literally every single interference...
They both were interrupting each other. Maybe it’s better to let the pilot talk but he was pretty slow to relay any information and she was way too quick to keep asking.
That dude who tried to crash the plane that landed at PDX was about as big a news event as the Horizon ground crew dude who stole the plane several years ago, took off, and eventually crashed near Sea-Tac. But he was mentally off balance anyway.
I don’t understand why that honolulu atc kept that flight 810 on hold when he wanted to come back and land beside one of his engine was out already. That’s an emergency and she told him to maintain at 2k feet. When she cleared everything up for them it was clearly too late.
it's more complicated than that. She was probably on the crash phone alerting the trucks of the AC in distress + waving off who knows how many other aircraft trying to land so she could get both her RYs clear for him. I'm not saying she was perfect but I think we could all stand to show a bit of compassion.
Man the Honolulu controller needs to calm down and wait for transmissions to finish. Lots of confusions and missed information because they were trying to fire back so fast. Slow down, it is not JFK and it's an emergency. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
The worst gut felling, I am so sure, being an air traffic controller, is when you don't see the plane on radar, when it should still be there....and no communication back from the pilots. Also, the stress of what the air traffic control goes through when some pilots don't listen well, or an emergency.
This format is great, really interesting, but I have one suggestion: please make sure there is a pause between the stories. I didn't even have time to think "OOOFF the pilots survived ditching" and the next story started already. You know, I was "in a moment", a bit emotional... and suddenly next thing starts. I needed a second or two after the last one. But overall this concept is really cool.
Gosh! ATC almost cut off Rhodes Exp 810 on almost all transmissions, and she isn’t the one with a failed engine and loosing altitude! The crew had to repeat so many transmissions!
@@christianvr7805 Please keep God and miracles out of aviation please. Are you suggesting God wasn't there for the number of crashes of the Boeing 737 Max, MH370, AF447 etc??
I don’t understand, she was quick and clear the pilot wasn’t. The whole problem was caused by the first officer and pilot. They had to repeat because they weren’t being clear how is that her fault.
@@cara.777 that controller needs to get some basic training. She stepped on almost all the transmissions made by the pilots, even when they declared an emergency and also when they said they might loose the other engine too.. That should have jump started her brain to give them the shortest vector possible. As an after thought, she tell them about the other airfield which was just 3 miles off to their left. Please compare this transmission with the ATC that handled Capt Sully's emergency. Cheers! 🍺🍺 Safe flights 👍🏻👍🏻
@@aaeri2004 The ATC in Honalulu was not the only radio traffic that was causing the 'blocked' transmissions. The Rhodes Express 809 was also in the air and wanting to land. Some of that traffic caused the interference between 810 and the ATC.
The American Airlines comms transcript seemed a little chaotic but given that so much was going on in that cockpit at the time it seemed to be handled pretty well. The alarm sounding is the cabin altitude alarm for the Boeing 737 so it was a pressurization issue.
Yes it is but Boeing likely used the same horn because the two scenarios in which they would sound are very different from each other and would be easy to differentiate which horn signified what based on the stage of flight
She was just fine, there was a lot of mutual stepping at the beginning causing the confusion. The steps also occurred at what would normally be a break in the transmission. Also, she had significant workload as it seems she's working tower and approach/departure radar ops for some reason.
@@AlexFlies Maybe it was the first time she had an emergency. Of course ATC has to be professional and have the training. But there's still a massive difference between a simulated emergency and a real one, can't imagine anything could prepare you for the real thing. Not justifying some of it, but it's a stressful situation and something you can only really experience for real. Hence why she calmed down towards the end.
I love it, and i hate it... I work at Serbian ATC, technical dep, and i'm one of the guys that plays back the "video situation"... Luckily, in 36 years, personally, i had only one, military accident... BTW, love your work.
Whoever hired the second ATC needs to be fired themselves. And to then have the audacity to give T2 attitude when you've just almost doomed two pilots... despicable.
despite how unfortunate the misidentification of the lost engine was, props to them for landing an airplane in the water in the dark with no life lost.
Unsure since this was uploaded a year ago, but in case you wanted to edit the subtitles on the Rhoades 810, since it adds to the impact: 6:29 speed is, uh.. we're pretty low on the speed, it doesn't look ah, look good out here, you might wanna let the coast guard know as well
something about the pilot calling out 125 souls on board after a minute ago calling mayday mayday mayday with alarms blaring in the background... makes my hairs stand
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Nice video, love the idea!
One thought: specify the flight numbers instead of «Pilot» and «Other pilot» in subtitles. It's confusing, because there are two pilots on the one plane :-)
I love this concept and would welcome more videos like this. Thanks @lucaas!
I want to be a pilot and this type of videos is very helpful and instructive, and it's also a good way to get used to the sound, a little difficult to understand sometimes
hands down the best video format. maybe do a mix of the 2 types.
W video
"speed is... that doesn't look good." are truly words i never want to hear a pilot say.
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So happy to hear they made it! But yeah she keeeeeps on talking.
Those were scary, but the training and the professional calmness of both air and tower crew kicked in and did it's job. Well done to everyone involved.
hoonolulu sucked, kept stepping on people
Well, the tower crew did well, anyway.
I'm not a pilot & I'm not going to pretend like I know what I'm talking about but on the last one when the pilots lost pressure made me think that there was crucial time lost when the Tower/ATC communicated with the pilots.
For example, when the ATC did multiple "Filled Pauses".
ie. "Um" @ 13:16 & 13:33
I'm wondering if because the ATC's training & experience to stay calm could hinder communications? When done correctly elevated stress especially in emergencies can greatly benefit your ability to comprehend logistics & surrounding environments.🤷♂️
*** I understand that the time between the ATC & Pilot communications to each other isn't real world. So because of this there is definitely a strong argument that it wouldn't have mattered. At least in this scenario...
@@Extraterrestrial-With-A-Finger You have to remember that both the Tower and aircrew have check lists they have to go through when any incident happens and the tower is trying to get information to pass on to Emergency services, so a lot is happening on both ends at the same time, luckily other aircraft in the area saw the aircraft go down close to land and the Coast Guard were in the area.
@@Chuck59ish Yeah I can only imagine...
I'll tell you this much. I'm completely comfortable with letting the pilots & ATC worry about all that stuff. I get nervous when I'm sitting in the emergency aisle. I feel like I'm going to forget the extra procedures.😏
That's not really saying much though because I can't even remember what I ate for breakfast the other day.😁
Hearing "mayday mayday mayday" and then immediate silence, only to hear alarms blaring next would make my pulse go through the roof as ATC lol
Rhoades 810 being told cleared for any runway and then requesting coastguuard gave me goose bumps!
So did how many times they had to tell ATC, they were in an emergency, b4 ATC finally listened.
that ATC was only using her training, no thoughts head empty type scenario. I'm glad the pilots and passenger are okay.
@@dfuher968 they didn't communicate the emergency well enough, though. No mayday, no panpan, no nothing. They're speaking about their checklists instead of vectors towards the airfield ASAP as if it's a B-36 with 10 engines to lose, and by the time they get really concerned, there's no energy to make it. It took some time for the ATC to understand the severity of the issue, and other flights probably wouldn't overspeak the communication on the frequency.
@@timarc9895 there were no passengers, it's a freighter
ATC sounded flustered must've been a freshie
The most unfortunate part of the Rhoades 810 ditching is that they misdiagnosed Engine 1 as the failed engine when it was actually Engine 2. So, they shut down the good engine instead of the bad one.
Like Kegworth...
Thank you for posting this I was actually curious because I know those planes are capable of flying and maintaining altitude with just 1 engine but obviously turning a jet into a glider is not going to maintain anything.
Like, why dont they just restart it lul
@@ryanyoung7433 From my understanding the APU has to be activated for at least 3 minutes prior to trying to start engine, so shutting off the wrong engine turned the plane from something that probably could have made it into something that had no chance.
Oh man, is that true? So they didn't "lose" the second engine, they manually shut it down?
I like that the guys assisting American 329 actually said "get back to me when your workload decreases" instead of just pestering the pilots.
They’re trained to do that.
@@LightsaberGoBrrrrrr But you don't hear about it often, that's the point sonic's getting at, so it's a nice surprise.
I wish my boss would say that
A common issue with pilots in unexpected situations is that they reach whats called "task saturation" where they are unable to add or change any workload because the load involved in flying the plane is reaching or beyond their ability to respond to new input. ATC and pilots are taught how to handle this situation but ATC has no real way of understanding what that limit is.
Me my first day as air traffic controller: “Sorry bro I can’t understand anything you’re saying. You’re talking way to fast
"slow is smooth. smooth is fast"
Did you get fired
@@kadarat8343 I heard that one last time when we were talking about the clutch in the car LMAO
@@Youraverageguy-c4mITS A JOKE
Yes...sometimes sounds like at a drive-thru 😂
More of these please man
It's fantastic that when it gets super urgent that ATCs can clear everything and just say land any runway, anywhere.
One word, "Emergency". If you declare one, we will move mountains for you.
@@FUMan661Ah, that was the first pilot’s mistake. Didn’t say “emergency”, so the mountain he was about to fly into couldn’t get moved 😂
@@josipbagi exactly. Oh well, live and learn. 🤣
@josipbagi plenty of paperwork when you declare emergency 😅
It's amazing how calm these people can be in an endangerment of life
It's exactly what you need. Going apeshit isn't going to help the situation. Training training training
@@kleetus92😂😂😂😂😂
@@kleetus92Precisely! Always have confidence in, and rely on your Training.
@@BirdTalk13 This is true in firefighting as well.
It’s almost like that’s what they were trained their whole life to be like
how first guy who landed in water stayed calm through whole thing blows my mind. by looks horrible weather with horrible water. dark. and knowing your doing water landing. (one most dangrous landings you can do) Hats off for how he handled that.
They both survived. They shut down their good engine by mistake, and pushed the failing one until it died completely.
@@smitty1245tragic lapse of judgement but glad they made it out ok
Ridiculous how far out he went in the first place
Both people surviving a water ditching is impressive flying
I should note all of it is impressive flying, but ditchings don't normally end with a 100% success rate
Impressive ditching sure, but it shouldn’t have happened in the first place. They shut down their only good engine after improperly doing the checklist.
The ditching off of Oahu was caused because the pilots misidentified the failing engine and shutdown their only working engine, the damaged engine was unable to provide the power needed to return to the airport. Both pilots survived thanks to the effort by the coast guard and local ships.
I am so in awe of how calm the controllers and pilots are in these situations. As an RN, staying calm was essential in emergencies. I cannot imagine being in a hurtling airplane!
@@bonnie3232yeah me too as a Bronx firemen… we definitely don’t use the word thank you… as a recall.. the first arriving chief at 9/11 went on the air and screamed “ 10-60 send me everything you got” 10-60 is radio code which means major emergency
As a firemen in da Bronx USA… these pilots are brave and get my total respect… How calm the remained is unbelievable….. knowing the plane was going down into the water….
thanks for your opinion as a fireman in da bronx usa
Wow! The first clip is INSANE!
She is so, So Calm and Professional!
If that's me ( and of course that will Never happen) I will SCREAM Non-Stop - RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHTTTTT >>>>>>>
She was fantastic!! Kept it together and spoke very quickly and was able to get all the information across. That was a really tense moment.
That Hong Kong ATC - cool as ice. Amazing work.
Very!
I bet the ATC was wearing some cool dark shades as well! 😎
If I were the pilot, I'd take her on an Island vacay. 😎😉
These are awesome, lucaas! Hope to see more! Always impressed by how calm the pilots and ATC are in these scary emergencies. Clear signs of *aviate, navigate, and communicate* rules in an emergency, in case others wondered why the pilots didn't respond right away to ATC.
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Well let's hope that's what it was that they were dealing eith a flight issue , but a quick ATC controller who stayed calm you like to think good but do soon after take off you do have yo think about other intentions either way the ATC controller saved a lot of lives I guess the pilots would have to explain what it was about
Lucaas, if I have one request from you though, it’s to PLEASE CHANGE THE VOICE
Hearing "how many souls on board?" gives me chills.
Curious, I just came across these recordings; why do they say "souls"?
@@cynicalbeotch standard aviation talk. Includes all people on board, so passengers and crew.
In UK we say P.O.B. (persons onboard). I guess in USA they say souls.
@@oobenoobwrong. “Souls on board” is a gobal term in aviation.
Me too.
As for the aircraft with the loss of pressure, the "alarms sounding" in the background was indeed the cabin altitude alarm. I'm sure the controller could immediately tell what the issue was upon hearing that.
"Uhhhh 'merican 329 whats yo- *BRR BRR BRR BRR BRR*
"I see"
Disagree. When the controller heard the alarm sounding, I'm sure that they could immediately tell that there was a problem - but it's unlikely that they could identify what the specific problem was. An Air Traffic Controller may or may not be a pilot in their spare time, but it's not part of their job requirement to be able to fly. Even if the Controller is a trained pilot, it's extremely unlikely that they're trained in the specific aircraft type that has the problem.
As a controller, aircraft beeps coming through the mic mean nothing to me, but maybe some controllers with pilot experience would know.
ATC are usually amazing at their jobs but no they don't all have pilot experience. A colleague of mine previously did tower control for a military airfield and he controlled fast jets and cargo planes and VIP planes but never flew anything.
Wow, the new video format looks amazing! I really like it! Especially the timelapses of planes and airports!
I appreciate it!
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The fact that you can hear the master caution alarm blaring in the back is terrifying 13:58
That's the cabin altitude alarm, and it can't be recalled with the master caution button, only with the tiny "Altitude horn cutout" button on the overhead panel next to the pressurization controls.
... I may or may not have had to take off in a flight sim with an entry door still open and climb to 10k feet to learn this...
i could never be so calm in situations of panic, kudos to them
2059 - Apparently the off duty pilot was coming down from a bad mushroom trip. He thought he was living a nightmare and tried to crash the plane so he would "wake up."
Me:* watching scary aircraft conversations *
UA-cam: * proceeds to show airline adds *
That ditching clip was painful with all the interference.
The "interference" was the Honolulu ATC kept stepping on the pilot's transmissions before he finished his sentences. Sometimes he wasn't even halfway his sentence when ATC started talking over him. Making things very confusing for both sides.
Yeah, she was awfully quick on the button. 😳
@@Mash4096 Yeah. The lack radio discipline was jarring.
I’m just a layman in this so take it with a grain of salt but that pilot was hard to listen to as well.
@@GovernorRiffRaffyeah because he had a situation in his hands so it's understandable,the woman on the other hand was overstepping for no reason
Once a threat level 4, it remains a threat level 4 until the person is off the aircraft.
I was under the impression its threat level was over 9000
I hope the crew of 428 took time to personally thank ATC for saving their lives. Whew . Also great video.
the rhoades express 810 pilot was so calm as well. Respect !
he was even calmer than the controller for sure
Maybe a little too calm lol
The professionalism of the controllers and pilots is very impressive. You could hear a little stress in the controller for the aircraft that landed in the water, but she handled it expertly.
The thing I was wondering, especially in the first two incidents, was why were the radios so garbled if they just took off from the airport they were communicating with? It would seem being that close, the transmission would be much better.
I don't even understand how pilots are able to talk on radio. Between the quality of the signal and fast unarticulated english, I can barely catch half the words.
@@krostouin You get an ear for it with a bit of practice. Usually you're expecting a certain type of information in a certain format so that helps too.
The audio was most likely received and published on LiveATC by volunteers nearby but with inferior equipment like a VHF scanner and short antennas placed on a house, not on a tower. These aren't the official audio tapes recorded by ATC. Pilots and ATC would have better reception.
I suspect the Hawaii one was due to someone else trying to transmit at the same time. T2 said he was trying to contact tower, could have been him.
@@krostouin I was thinking about that as well. They do get used to their "language" of ATC - Pilot talk after enough experience, but in some foreign countries, it still has to be difficult.
The off - duty pilot incident has been covered in detail by @Mentour Pilot on youtube.. Highly recommend it for understanding why he tried to shut the engines off.. (For those who are interested)... Overall a great video man... Would like to see more of these...... You my man just earned a subscription.... Keep it up...
Don’t think I’ve seen so many blocked calls by a controller…
Honestly it was kind of irritating.. there was no patience or courtesy to each other. They both constantly stepped on eachothers comms without letting the other finish the transmission..
Airline Pilot here. Terrible comms between ATC and the pilots.
That controller needs some serious retraining. The flight declared an emergency, and she still instructed them to turn to V2 and continue outbound TWO MORE TIMES. Clueless.
@@thekill2509I concur!
Comms are awful
You should do another series of these including FedEx Flight 705 which was an incident in the 1990’s when an off-duty pilot attacked the pilots and tried to hijack the aircraft. The pilots acted heroically to subdue him and eventually succeeded but not without serious injury to all three of them, and to the would-be hijacker. Later all the pilots were awarded a gold medal for heroism. I actually expected the attempted hijacking incident in this video to be FedEx flight 705, but the one in the video was certainly terrifying too, though the outcome was less dramatic as it turned out.
I’d heard about the Rhoades Express incident in other videos and from reading about it, so while that clip was playing I slowly started to realize it was that same flight. It was a really cool feeling to have that realization!
Not only do I respect ATCs for the ability to remain calm under pressure, but I also really respect their ability to understand complete mush-mouth pilots.
Great format, just wish you would add more color to each situation. You pretty much say everyone was safe and end it. With anticipation so high, it would be nice to hear additional details like the aftermath, cause, etc. rather then the abrupt endings. cheers!
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8:29 imagine the situation the pilots faced as their plane is mere meters above the sea
Kept it cool all the way down too.
Yeh and ditching in the dark as well. Terrifying
Communication in the second video is ridiculous. The ATC is constantly talking while the pilot is talking to her….
Agreed I would expect a highly paid air traffic controller to perform better than that!
That was very frustrating, all the blocked radio traffic
sometimes he wasn't even halfway his sentence when she steps on his transmissions.
That second one in Hawaii seemed like pilot and controller were not very experienced. Either of them should have realized Kalaeloa was probably doable, but she mentioned it way too late. Seems like they could have made it there
Excellent jon by Rhodes emergency controller. She was upset but stayed cool. Her voice showed great concern
Very entertaining! Thank you for this Lucas, much appreciated!
Tower at Honolulu did a very bad job, they could have asked them if they would prefer to land at Kalaeloa MUCH earlier in their flight.
Pilots on flight 810 thought engine 1 was broken when it was the working one
Cut her some slack man she had a lot of shit going on behind the scenes trying to call the crash trucks, communicate w/ the rest of the twr, clear her RYs, And vector those two back? It's a lot of phraseology to spit and shit to manage. + Having them land at Kalaeloa so late she'd essentially have to redo a bunch of what she had already done calling the other airport to tell them what is happening would've taken several minutes she didn't have. We're told early in our training 'dont hand off a shit sandwhich' from what I saw I'm bettin' that was what she was trying to avoid. not sayin' she was totally in the right I'm just saying maybe we should be a little bit more compassionate before passing judgement.
Its not ATC fault the plane crashed because the pilots thought engine 2 was working fine and that engine 1 is the faulty one when engine 1 was the working one and they increased power to the faulty engine 2 which caused them to ditch
So the crash happened because of pilot error not ATC error
Hawaii controller just stepping over and loosing all essential communications. Had a real stress
That second atc needs some serious training. She constantly keep stepping on 810.
I think they were having trouble hearing her thed got a problem I eould say the e got oxygen masks on why as moo e developed microphones inside pilots and air stewardess oxygen masks wee passengers ideally as well, if I was married and 2as hoping on holiday with loved ones if we know we were going to crash I'd want to say to person I love you etc she sounded ecpasarted I guess she was shocked when plane had gone down in sea, I never heard her say when captain said we've got problems has your oxygen masks come done, if they said yes we'll the ATC could have then said don't go below blah very sad
someone call 911, @@bunglejoy3645 is having a stroke!
@@bunglejoy3645 the depressurizing plane was different from the one who had ATC stepping on them.
The tower controller handling Rhoades Express 810 was very professional and yet caring and compassionate all at once. Need more people like her in the world
Thanks for sharing. The professionalism and calmness are incredible! I feel I am having panic attacks just by watching the videos…
Man 😢😢😢...I am so amazed at how pilots stay so calm in these situations 💔😭
That Honolulu controller needs to learn to let people finish their transmissions. She was talking over everyone
As a pilot she mad my blood boil
As a controller, I have nothing but respect for that woman. She was under an extreme amount of stress managing an aircraft with inexperienced pilots, calling the emergency vehicles, clearing not one but Both of her runways so that they might have the Opportunity to land safely If they had managed to get close enough, vectoring the distressed aircraft to the other airport, then having to contact that new airport to alert them of the AC coming towards them, not to Mention dealing with the multiple other aircraft on her freqs trying to land/take off. You are not the only plane in the sky bub. Cut her some slack man.
On the Rhodes Express 810, actually only engine number 2 was lost but they misidentified and instead thought number one was lost which caused this whole thing, if they would have moved both the throttle sticks instead of only the one for the engine 2, they would be able to perfectly land. the pilot who spoke had actually been through 4 engine failures, but he had a lot of respect for the first officer because the first officer hadn’t ever been wrong in anything in front of the captain, that’s why when the first officer said engine 1 was the failed one, the captain went along with it
the captain was also distracted talking to ATC, and I'm sure all the stepping didn't help with that
"thank you very much" she was being their guardian angel in that moment. Couldn't imagine her horror when they weren't responding.
This is intense.
This was great Lucaas, really enjoyed it! Thankfully, no on was injured!
Wow, very entertaining! I'd like to see (hear) more of this stuff. Much appreciated!
feels like some of these narrators have never spoken to a human in their lives
Took speech lessons from a robot
The Roades 810 video... it's amazing to me that even though ATC and the pilot were very calm, they both seem to have needed more training on how to use a radio. They kept talking over each other, thus NOT getting their transmissions delivered. Stuff like this is what adds more danger on top of al already disaster.
Chills on the first one. Literal chills
What a selection of incidents!!
I was on the edge of my seat 😳
The ATC tower of the ditching accident was the worst tower I've ever heard, she kept interfering all the time way before they could finish their speech, she definitely should have waited just 2 seconds more before pushing the button, it would have eliminated literally every single interference...
They both were interrupting each other. Maybe it’s better to let the pilot talk but he was pretty slow to relay any information and she was way too quick to keep asking.
Yeah, she was really bad.
Flying a plane is like using an etch-a-sketch
That dude who tried to crash the plane that landed at PDX was about as big a news event as the Horizon ground crew dude who stole the plane several years ago, took off, and eventually crashed near Sea-Tac. But he was mentally off balance anyway.
I don’t understand why that honolulu atc kept that flight 810 on hold when he wanted to come back and land beside one of his engine was out already. That’s an emergency and she told him to maintain at 2k feet. When she cleared everything up for them it was clearly too late.
it's more complicated than that. She was probably on the crash phone alerting the trucks of the AC in distress + waving off who knows how many other aircraft trying to land so she could get both her RYs clear for him. I'm not saying she was perfect but I think we could all stand to show a bit of compassion.
The first one was nerve wrecking. I was like right ... right .. right ..
That Honolulu controller was absolutely incredible
Man the Honolulu controller needs to calm down and wait for transmissions to finish. Lots of confusions and missed information because they were trying to fire back so fast. Slow down, it is not JFK and it's an emergency. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
The worst gut felling, I am so sure, being an air traffic controller, is when you don't see the plane on radar, when it should still be there....and no communication back from the pilots. Also, the stress of what the air traffic control goes through when some pilots don't listen well, or an emergency.
This format is great, really interesting, but I have one suggestion: please make sure there is a pause between the stories. I didn't even have time to think "OOOFF the pilots survived ditching" and the next story started already. You know, I was "in a moment", a bit emotional... and suddenly next thing starts. I needed a second or two after the last one. But overall this concept is really cool.
Appreciate the feedback!
Agreed. The monotonous delivery also makes it difficult. Try separators such as “in another story…”
Nice work from everyone involved.
please make more of these, theyre great
This style of video is very entertaining, would love to see more of them :0
The Rhoades 810 actually shut down the wrong engine, otherwise, they would've made it
Gosh! ATC almost cut off Rhodes Exp 810 on almost all transmissions, and she isn’t the one with a failed engine and loosing altitude! The crew had to repeat so many transmissions!
Jesus and God loves everyone so much turn to them before its to late
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Please keep God and miracles out of aviation please. Are you suggesting God wasn't there for the number of crashes of the Boeing 737 Max, MH370, AF447 etc??
I don’t understand, she was quick and clear the pilot wasn’t. The whole problem was caused by the first officer and pilot. They had to repeat because they weren’t being clear how is that her fault.
@@cara.777 that controller needs to get some basic training. She stepped on almost all the transmissions made by the pilots, even when they declared an emergency and also when they said they might loose the other engine too..
That should have jump started her brain to give them the shortest vector possible. As an after thought, she tell them about the other airfield which was just 3 miles off to their left.
Please compare this transmission with the ATC that handled Capt Sully's emergency. Cheers! 🍺🍺 Safe flights 👍🏻👍🏻
@@aaeri2004 The ATC in Honalulu was not the only radio traffic that was causing the 'blocked' transmissions. The Rhodes Express 809 was also in the air and wanting to land. Some of that traffic caused the interference between 810 and the ATC.
The ditching one, isn't that the one where the pilots mistakenly shut down the wrong engine ?
Yes
I’m surprised they can understand each other, the communication between them is so blurry
Thanks, Lucaas, that was a brilliantly intense video. Well done on sharing it with us, cheers.
Jeez, Honolulu ATC doesn't like waiting for people to finish talking before interrupting and stepping on them...
lool furry
The most intense thing you hear someone ask you is how many souls on board. The question must be asked but wow....
Rhoades comms were brutal with all the doubling.
Love the new concept- edge of the seat stuff! 2 thumbs up!
The American Airlines comms transcript seemed a little chaotic but given that so much was going on in that cockpit at the time it seemed to be handled pretty well. The alarm sounding is the cabin altitude alarm for the Boeing 737 so it was a pressurization issue.
Isn't it the exact same alarm as the 737 takeoff config?
Yes it is but Boeing likely used the same horn because the two scenarios in which they would sound are very different from each other and would be easy to differentiate which horn signified what based on the stage of flight
Do they have to say “souls” lol. That’s creepy af
Well produced video! Visuals were very addicting and satisfying to watch, kudos.
They really are addicting! ❤
Everyone nailed their jobs it's really reassuring to be honest
This is a serious interesting video! I hate to ask but want to…can we have some more of these type videos too? Thank you much love
A transmission you never want to hear…”speed is … oh that doesn’t look good at all” 😳
3:06 wow that controller is one of the worst I've heard. I could barely listen to that clip anymore
She was just fine, there was a lot of mutual stepping at the beginning causing the confusion. The steps also occurred at what would normally be a break in the transmission.
Also, she had significant workload as it seems she's working tower and approach/departure radar ops for some reason.
@@mobius7089 She kept stepping on him, making him repeat transmissions, and couldnt understand anything going on. She did get better towards the end
@@AlexFlies Maybe it was the first time she had an emergency. Of course ATC has to be professional and have the training. But there's still a massive difference between a simulated emergency and a real one, can't imagine anything could prepare you for the real thing. Not justifying some of it, but it's a stressful situation and something you can only really experience for real. Hence why she calmed down towards the end.
Ain’t no way I saw my house 😮😮😮😮😮😮 0:50
Where?
Love your vids
I love it, and i hate it... I work at Serbian ATC, technical dep, and i'm one of the guys that plays back the "video situation"... Luckily, in 36 years, personally, i had only one, military accident... BTW, love your work.
Whoever hired the second ATC needs to be fired themselves. And to then have the audacity to give T2 attitude when you've just almost doomed two pilots... despicable.
Watching this after landing from an international flight. I would not have lasted the first 8 minutes if I were preparing for my next flight!
I never knew they refer to passengers and personnel as souls
it's passengers+crew
despite how unfortunate the misidentification of the lost engine was, props to them for landing an airplane in the water in the dark with no life lost.
Really liked the concept bc you explain a bit more of everything, but it will be good if you continue with the other videos.
i loved this concept vro its very interesting hoping to see more of these videos
Bro made the entire intro Rhyme and thought we would notice
The ad I got before this was a laundry machine eating up a shirt…
Some of these mics make it so incomprehensible, even with subtitles.. I swear it’s like trying to interpret Dr’s handwriting with your ears 🥲
You think the other Rhoades flight would stop talking on radio so the emergency traffic could talk. Thats so much time wasted.
Unsure since this was uploaded a year ago, but in case you wanted to edit the subtitles on the Rhoades 810, since it adds to the impact:
6:29
speed is, uh.. we're pretty low on the speed, it doesn't look ah, look good out here, you might wanna let the coast guard know as well
something about the pilot calling out 125 souls on board after a minute ago calling mayday mayday mayday with alarms blaring in the background... makes my hairs stand
Thanks for those fantastic stories ! From France .