to be fair, a cowboy bebop manga wouldn't hit quite as well unless there were little buttons on each page that played a yoko kanno track to correspond with a particular scene
A quote from Roger Ebert's review of Battlefield Earth, "The director has learned from better films that directors sometimes tilt their cameras, but he has not learned why," applies here perfectly.
Absolute perfect quote to sum up my sheer annoyance at the creative team overusing that frigging dutch shot angle and failing to understand how you're supposed to use them in the shot composition.
It's pretty much like if jojo did the "menacing" symbols literally every other scene haha. It's like wait why are you doing that? It's not the right moment for that yet..
Netflix Bebop is a great case study in why people need to take media literacy seriously. Because at the end of the day, most of the problems that plagued this show could have been solved if anyone involved loved the messaging of the show more than the aesthetics.
Yes. Cowboy Bebop is an amalgam of Westerns, film noir, science fiction, and Hong Kong cinema as interpreted by a Japanese production team who loved these genres. The American team, not so much... When watching the Cantonese space gangster scenes, it struck me that not a single person involved in writing, editing, or production had ever watched a John Woo movie... They had no sense of how things should look or what issues of duty, love, greed, and loyalty should be emphasized. They were just "This is Asian. We need it to be bright and flashy."
I very much doubt any of the writers for Netflix Bebop watched a single episode of the original anime in its entirety. Really feels like, at best, they watched several youtube clips of the most iconic moments and based their show around those without any additional context to them. It explains why the main tone for the new series is comical, bordering parody, rather than the tragic melodrama that permeates the original anime.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 the original bebop was also explicitly leftists as well. Not in the liberal way the live action showed but in an ACTUAL LEFTISTS SENSE. It had very harsh critiques for modern capitalistic society . It wasn’t woke it was a modern critique from an actual policy non aesthetic perspective.
It goes to show that people need to create new IP's and not remakes. If this were a scifi show heavily inspired by Cowboy Bebop would have been much more tolerable.
@@debodatta7398 lol yeah he was wrong on a number of things in this review. Like it not being a show pandering to the woke crowd. The tokenism is pretty clear cut.
@@snug0191 political agenda? If you're talking about me, I have no political agenda. I hate politics and I'm an independent. You don't think that it's tokenism to cast a black actor (he was awesome by the way), to a role that wasn't black, and paint him as stereotypical as they could? I mean, leaving his family because he had to go to jail, and was falsely imprisoned by the police. Really? And this is just one character that they destroyed. Mustafa Shakir was amazing, considering that pile of garbage that he was dealt by the writers.
They seem like such a lovely person and extremely enthusiastic for the character. Honestly, given what they were asked to do, their performance was great! It's all on the director.
Played Ed? Do you mean said some words for 40 seconds as his/her first work as an actor and now is been use as tool for the hate of " fans" over a show?
@@mothersbasement Thank you. I’m so happy to see this. A lot of people are going to come after this young, new actor and that’s so sad. It’s their first role and they’re so happy to be a part of it and if they read a lot of vile toxicity towards them as a person - undeservedly so - it could be so damaging.
@@DuskWolf99 It's none of the actors faults for how this played out. It's the fault of the director and script writer. This young actor did nothing wrong and I may not have liked the direction of Ed, but I found the actor playing Ed to have a charm to them. For what they had to go with they acted the shit out of it and for that I appreciate them.
Hope she’s not discouraged by the reaction to 60 seconds of her inclusion and she’s able to understand that the bulk of the issues with that scene and the show in general stems from the showrunners and writers themselves. She may be the worst or best actress to ever live for all we know, but I’m not judging her entire skill set over 60 seconds. With that said, screw this adaptation in general.
Easily. They tried to do too much with him instead of letting him be that brooding, mysterious evil that's nipping at Spike's heels and reminding him of what he once was.
Actually, in Bebop's case, Yoko Kanno created the music first before the animation, the story, and characters even existed. Watanabe was even inspired by her music to create new scenes. This makes Cowboy Bebop even more special because not only is it extremely rare to have the music as the focus, but to allow the composer to write what they want without the director misusing their music. That said, while I don't want to blindly hate Netflix's adaptation, the music from there is actually kind of okay, but there are some clips that just don't digest well with some of the scenes, in my opinion.
Yoko Kanno did the music for the live action too which I thought was really cool and made sense because I really enjoyed the music throughout the live action series, especially when they added songs from the anime.
@@SquaulDuNeant Thanks, but I'm just saying that I don't think it's fair of me to judge a series, saying that it's all bad, without fully watched it, hence blindly hating XD.
I like Jet Black's actor and how he ATE the role. My problem is that the writers gave him a backstory that's basically Terry Jeffords from B99 in Scott Lang's storyline in Antman.
Thats why ANime wasn't really WOKE as much as progressive. Netflix was WOKE becuase it wanted to fix things that didn't need fixing. Like changing Faye tragic past about her hetersoexual relationship into annoying quirky lesbian from Marvel movies. Since they already feel proud of giving Jet the Black skin and earn their progressive points on twatter they had to ass lines about being "Black Male" as well as single dad backstory becuase thats how leftists see Black community. Oh and obviously Gren and Ed had to be non binary for safe inclusion even though they were more complicated than that.
@@MrConredsX What lesbian do you see in Marvel movies? Progressive is woke dude, progressives are leftists. Single dad is NOT the stereotype attributed to black men lol, he's also not single, he has a wife. Black people deal with divorce like the rest of us. His portrayal is also the one positive I see everyone talk about, and isn't that what you weirdos keep screeching about? Casting for talent over "diversity"? If Bebop was written now Ed and Gren would be non-binary, it's called people's views change, they had no idea what enbies were back then. And do you sincerely think being enby is this simple, safe thing?
@@MrConredsX In case you didn't know, WOKE is just a buzz word for social progressivism. There's literally zero difference between them, other than some kids decided they needed a 4 letter word for it.
It was bad enough that watching the trailer was enough to put us off so it was dead on arrival. Unlike the opinion in the vid most people are saying the character don't get close to the originals other than Mustafa Shakir with Jet who by all accounts is good.
Jeff: listing in detail why you cannot translate Ed 1:1 from animation to live action Me, head in my hands knowing exactly what's coming: Jeff, please... I beg you
@@farhanasafran8124 like when you take the guy holding the gun to your head by the hand and force it up against your skull while screaming "COME ON PUSSY DO IT DO IT NOW!"
I think something a lot of “reboots” are running into is… people in the industry enjoy iconic media and want to create something because of it. But instead of making a separate IP inspired by it, they choose to build on top of the existing IP. But what happens is their personal style influences how they create the “expansion”, and essentially what happens is they add a Roman column to a Greek temple. Sure they share similar elements, but that does not make them the same.
I was first introduced to Cowboy Bebop by one of my English teachers in high school, who was incredibly based and much beloved. We were talking anime one day and I was the only one who watched any. Told him I'd never seen it, just a couple snippets here and there. "You gotta watch it, man." Next day he lends me his fancy collector's edition set. Watched it all that night and returned it to him, eyes open. We pretty much shot the shit the whole next class about it. What they've done here has probably made him cry. It would've been tolerable, maybe even kinda good if it weren't attached to the name. Mr C, if you see this just know I haven't fallen for this infernal tasteless spell. Might've been the thing that pulled me a B in that class, I hardly did any of the assignments. Thanks man.
Original: let's rarely mention Vicious so whenever he shows up he'll actually have a menacing presence and we don't know what he'll do Netflix: sure but what if we had a full storyline with clips in each episode so you get to know the character
idk, while I agree with most of this review, I think that the show, by itself, removed from the bebop name, was decent, and the actors did a good job. i think the show just failed in the writers adapting it to live action
@@jacobkeffer8437 it also failed as a SHOW. It was way too expensive and time consuming to produce for the results that it got in terms of views/ viewer retention. I think thats the main reason it got shut down rather than anime fan backlash
@@Demolitions75 ironically, I'm pretty sure it was because of it's rating. It was a little off from what Netflix usually uses to renew their shows. Which not gonna lie, wasn't too far off surprisingly. (70% for Netflix and I'm pretty sure Cowboy Bebop was at a 58%.)
@@Demolitions75 true. But maybe it wasn't the fan backlash as it actually was fans *lack* of interest. I'm a fan and didn't even watch it. And others will just tell you they watched 1 or 2 episodes
Gren was one of my favorite characters from the original bebop and it saddens me to see how they decided to handle their character in this adaptation. The straw that broke the camels back for me on this one.
Finally someone else that understands bebop had a HUGE amount of political philosophy in it!! The show was so much more then it seemed on the surface and watanabe San is fucking based and a genius
Vicious is a dark mirror of Spike and isn't ever present because he doesn't need to be. The story isn't about him. Same with Julia. She shows up when it's time for him to die because it's his past finally catching up with him that he could never let go of. Also, the Netflix show revels too much in adding in a ton of violence against women where that didn't exist before.
Not only that, but spending a lot of time focusing on Vicious and Julia just destroys their mystique. It makes Vicious less threatening (even without the bad acting and change to his personality), and it bogs down the mystery of Spike's past, and his connections to these two people.
It is weird. I never imagined even the far scarier Vicious of the anime as a wife beater. Obviously he was vindictive enough to order her to kill Spike when he found out about their relationship. But that is space gangster sh!t not I’m a cry baby with impotent rage sh!t
I thought the fact that Julia MARRIED Vicious destroyed her character. In the anime she fled for her life, going into hiding and leaving everything behind. She would rather die than marry him. She was enigmatic but there was the impression that she was strong and resourceful.
@@existentialgamer9206 You barely see Julia in the anime. But when you do, she's doing the same space noir action alongside everyone else. In the Netflix show, she's just a damsel until her inevitable heel villain heel turn. At least before I could care about Julia as a mystery or simply because Spike did. But just watching this man baby version of Vicious abuse her, followed by a weak flashback love story, followed by a villain twist ... there was just never any reason to care about this version of the character
@@TheJadedJames That is definitely something else that bugs me: Julia is not someone who can't take care of herself. She has all of her strengths taken away to be a victim to a sub-par Vicious' tantrums. But the Julia in the anime is every bit the lethal assassin and soldier that Spike and Vicious were. Which: a show that revels in taking power away from women, praising cops, and ignoring all the social commentary about the problems of capitalism....I mean I guess it all goes hand-in-hand, really.
The problem with adapting a masterpiece is that you can only ever be “as good” at best and, most likely, worse. If we were to see a remake of the Mario movie, we could see that it couldn’t be much worse. In Bebop, it was always going to be an imitation. It’s already a masterpiece, and in adapting it to live action and doing the “same” story, it just becomes a cheap wannabe.
What killed me was how they put ‘you’re gonna carry that weight’ on the second to last title card of the season and then had Faye reference it in the last episode. Turned it from this impactful thing about how you the viewer have to carry on Spike’s story now that the show is done to just this ‘hey look we said the thing’
Yea i have that tattooed on my forearm along side Spike’s ship and I cringe at how they destroyed all the meaning and “weight” behind the timing and meaning of that line.
That sums up the entire show and Netflix's motivation in doing it to begin with....it was just "look we did the thing from the anime" as an entire show except for when they did the things that didn't make any sense at all. Shows like this arent even really worth reviewing, watching, or getting upset about....its nothing more than a shallow cash grab by Netflix to milk a developed IP because thats easier than making a new one that is actually good.
We are drowning in nostalgic references/Easter eggs nowadays. It was fun when Marvel first started doing it, but writers are treating them as a replacement for plots and character developments.
What always bothered me was how anime isn't drawn anymore in detail. This is 20+ years old and looks better than almost every other episodic anime. If your into that CRISP drawn style like Bebop go watch REDLINE, it took 7 years to draw it's a feast for the anime eyes!
I think the thing that gets me the most about the Netflix version of Ed is how poorly they understood how the character was intended to be in the anime. Like, Ed (at least as far as I can tell) is more of a parody, behaviorally speaking, of that one hyper little kid that we all know. Like, obviously no human being would behave like Ed does in the anime. Some of that shit is very clearly meant to be an exaggeration, and it works well. It conveys how over-the-top and obscenely hyper Ed is. The Netflix Ed didn’t have to be this weird, creepy kid (albeit only for one scene). They could have found a more nuanced way to convey that sense of Ed being a crazy, hyper child. Shame we’ll never get the chance to see it though
Also they put some boy that is transitioning into a girl to play Ed. Ed was a girl in the anime. It pissed me off because they wanted to push their lbgtq bs instead of giving the role to a talented girl actor. Completely agree with you that the goofy exaggeration only works in the anime. How hard was it to just make a normal girl that is a genius with a sense of humor. The writers sucked.
I think the difference between the complaint of "Woke" versus what Political Commentary, comparing Netflix to the Original, is because what I call "Woke Culture" is more akin to Tokenism than it is political commentary. For instance, without the context of "They'll be more important in Season 2," Putting Gren in there *feels* like they threw a Non-binary character in for the sake of a check mark for Representation's Sake only. Whereas in the original, Gren is Non-binary, and that doesn't really matter to their character. I can't quite recall if any attention is directly drawn to it besides one point when they refuses Faye's advances because 'Sex with a woman isn't his thing.' Now, the Netflix version doesn't seem to ride on high for their gender identity, but fans know and fans will question 'Why is Gren here?' when they serve no plot importance at all.
I stand by the idea that Pacific Rim (the first one) is hands down Hollywood's best adaptation of anime, despite not being explicitly based on any one anime property.
The Vicious and Julia storyline also doesn't require as much production effort as most other storylines in the show. No space, no spaceship sets, less fight scenes, not a lot of tech that needs to be designed etc. So now we get the Vicious and Julia power hour because that's what's doable on a budget. Kinda makes you think they shouldn't really adapt stories they know they don't have the budget for, but what do I know.
Appreciate the fact that they weren't just trying to make a clone of the anime. I think that that is actually a fantastic idea. Where I struggle with the show is I feel like the people in production don't truly understand the anime in the first place. Every character seems kind of like a less stylized more pop culture version of themselves. Their actions feel hollow and their words feel like they are tape holding together bad writing. The original Bebop did have some scenes that occasionally felt like potholes, but they were very few things that actually ended up feeling like it wasn't done on purpose to illustrate a point. The live action feels like they are very often having the characters do or say things for basically no reason.
They did cheap bait and switch in order to make the work cheaper and easier for themselves. Inserted this cringey crime drama because it is easier to shoot than *real* Cowboy Bebop stuff. Instead of varying locations, interesting characters and regular space battles they made this cliche shit about mafia guys sitting in a club, reusing the same cheap sets over and over. This is not space anti-opera, not cyberpunk, not sci-fi, not antiutopia, not musical, not a noir detective story. Not Cowboy Bebop at all. And now enjoy viral effect of people getting rightfully angry.
Is so sad that people still look down on animation, the fact that any anime is being adapted into live action is sad, cause they're already loosing an integral part of what may made them special. And I'm not against adaptations, but they have been aproched in the worst possible way. I still haven't watched the Rurouni Kenshin movies, and I understand why people liked Alita battle angel and I would like adaptations going that rout, is mostly animated after all (for me is a 5 or 6 out of 10). But I still haven't watched and anime adaptation where I feel I can say they finally nailed it, and why they should have to, when in animation is already nailed. I don't see a reason for an live action adaptation if they're not doing anything worth watching that the original already did or didn't did.
I say we do the opposite. Adapt live actions INTO animation more. Look, Star Wars: Visions was the best star wars content ive seen in a long while, and i think we should do more of that stuff. Mediums are very different in themselves, but animation can do alot more with less budget to create visions much less possible in a live shows.
You should check out the beginning and the final. As a fan of samurai X and someone who grew up with Ruroni Kenshin as a child i can say that the beggining and the final are not 10/10 movies but if you like the original show they are at least worth watching, the combat is decent and the story is passable.
i get your point and i do agre, i just want to add my pov regarding animation when it comes to anime shows that are adaptations of manga themselves. as an avid manga reader (and frankly someone who prefers reading it over watching anime) there have been several times when i was really disappointed in an anime adaptation due to the quality of animation and poor creative decisions made to cram story material into 12 - 25 episodes. anime adaptations themselves can sometimes butcher their own original manga material. so i do find myself sometimes fantasizing about what if someone who genuinely gets the og manga adapts it into live action instead of the messy anime that we got.
Imagine casting a black actor to play Jet, a character whose entire thing is his dissatisfaction with how corrupt the whole police system is, just to make him look like a fool to carry out the message of "Cops aren't _all_ bad! Just a few bad apples! The system works!"
Having had a few weeks to digest it, I have realized why the remake of Bebop is so awful - People wanted *more* Bebop, not to revisit what we already had. THe original is still so good, that revisiting it is at beast, unnecessary, and at worst (what we actually got) disrespectful and disingenuous. People really were excited for what this show could be, including the fans, so to write it off as if there's no way fans of the anime could like it was kind of a short term play that was always going to backfire... And we can look to Final Fantasy 7 Remake for proof. With FF7, the fans were pointing out almost immediately that it could stand for a remake. It came form the era where each release had a few bugs or issues - a stat doesn't work right or an item has a function that gets ignored, or something to that effect. ANd then you had FF8 and FF9 come out to show what the PS1 was really capable of and all the sudden, tiny chibi blobcloud and the rest of the play-doh brigade just look silly. Looking back, FF7 lived as much in your imagination as it did on screen. Oh sure, the low poly models were still leaps and bounds more capable of 3-D action than older models and sprites (especially in the FF franchise...) but when the PS2 rolled around it was time for a serious talk about how the game could use a new coat of paint like how the original FF got spiffed and shined for the PS1. In the meantime, the FF7 fandom got a movie, an OVA series, some mobile games, and two spinoff games to expand the lore and show that there was life in the franchise. And now? EVen though they are changing the plotline a bit and adding more bosses and content.....There isn't nearly as much backlash compared to the embrace of the changes by the fandom. They got the movie, some spinoff games, and more.....And so when they remade the story proper, it was obvious that changes need to be made - support the side stories, fix the broken items and stats and cut out things that didn't work. Actually have facial animations! No more lego heads in cutscenes! But Bebop never needed to be remade....it was pretty damn good as it was, and it wrote the book for many shows in the future to follow. What people wanted, was MORE. Don't reheat the leftovers, make new content - new bounties, new stories, new places. You can use the existing story as a springboard and build something new, rather than falling over yourself making changes to support other changes because you changed something that never needed to be remade. Fuck, imagine other franchises modified by this group. "We loved the original Lord of the Rings trilogy, but Gollum doesn't work for modern audiences! So we made it so he gets the ring at the end of the first film, kicks Frodo off a fucking cliff and wishes that sauron would explode so we have him just vaporize POOF! Right in front of the fellowship of the ring! NOw we've got a REAL villain for the next film! Who's ready for the two towers? Spoiler alert - we condensed them down into one tower! We don't want fans thinking they know what's going to happen!"
Not sure about them nailing Big Shot, though. Weren't the two hosts totally in character every single time until the very end when they found out they were cancelled? Judy's break in character during the show, and Paunch's in the airport added to the disillusion of the dream that the Bebop crew was living in. But in the live action show they already started breaking character from the get go. :-/
You can really feel the passion in the real cowboy bebop. Remakes and adaptions can never truly recapture that. Also although I have a desire to see more of the cowboy bebop world, it ended when it should have. Better to end a masterpiece than to slowly fall apart
My reaction can be summed up in one word: "Why?" It's just a high-budget cosplay fan film. It didn't make me angry like some people (aside from actually saying "What the fuck?" aloud at you-know-who at the end), I just fail to see why it was made in the first place.
Why is anything being made now? Everyone's too afraid to risk it on their own original ideas, so it's safer to just recycle old stories to a new generation who hasn't seen it yet or won't because of dated visuals. That or making quick and crappy content so they can keep the license to exploit or sell later on. Money is always the answer. And st*pidity. You can't forget that one.
Pretty much my reaction to just about every remake of anything. You want to tell a new story in the *insert good show* universe here? Great! But television and movies are not like video games. Terminator 2 is still an incredible movie to this day, while video games of the time were simply incapable of the things they are now, both gameplay and narrative wise. Games benefit from being remade, because they can objectively be improved with their new coat of paint. Or just because not everyone owns a functioning Super Nintendo or Playstation 2. But at sometime around the 80s, movies and television reached a certain level where you could make anything you wanted (besides pure spectacle) with enough of a budget. And pretty much every great film from before then has been made with that technology. So... yah. Remakes serve no purpose.
I would have been way happier with a show inspired by Bebop than a remake. Hell, Bebop is a show that is inspired but what came before it, and then goes its own way. Remaking it is missing the point entirely.
The amount of abuse being hurled at the 13 YEAR OLD CHILD playing Ed in their first acting role makes me angry and depressed. Like seriously, no TV show is worth straight up bullying people over
Geoff, I'm watching this two years later upload and I just want to say I really appreciate the commentary you give specifically in Session 4 of this video. You really have your finger on the pulse of current discourse, and your words remind us of what we could really look for in art. Thank you!
When I first heard about this my first thought was "Y tho?". My second thought was "Who asked for this?". Anyway, since I got your attention, don't let this bad Netflix live adaptation distract you from the fact that Cowboy Bebop the Movie is a Halloween movie.
I genuinely believe this could've worked well as a sci-fi show with inspiration from cowboy bebop. With cast that has John Cho playing a character similar to Spike Spiegel, Mustafa Shakir playing a character very similar to Jet Black and Daniela Pineda playing a character... who's also in the cast. But the problem is they called it Cowboy Bebop, they gave the characters the same names and often very similar designs to the original, which, naturally will cause comparisons. It's understandable to ask the audience to judge it as its own thing, but I also believe its a bit unfair to expect them to when you're doing an adaptation and market it as such. But asking the audience to judge it as its own thing when its not an adaptation is entirely reasonable and fair. But idk, maybe as a filmmaker nowadays you won't get the budget to do something original unless it springboards off of an existing popular IP.
'Firefly', and 'Dark Matter' are two "original" shows with enough similarities, and we see how far they made it. 'Andromeda' might be the longest running "rag-tag group of misfits band together as a dis/functional family to achieve goals but in space" as any of these. I think there is a reason these shows have trouble sticking around, and studios realize that, so they try and try to reboot things with previously-successful names attached ala 'Star Trek' and 'Battlestar Galactica', 'Lost in Space' and 'Cowboy Bepbop.' The next closest "original" show with any longevity like this currently is 'The Expanse' which it and I believe 'Dark Matter; are both adaptations from novels, and 'The Orville' which started as a parody, but eventually started taking itself too seriously. Some how we can't get good scifi to take off without attaching some other name to it... is that our fault as viewers for not giving new things a chance, or studios fault because new IP is hard, might as well just rehash and trade-in on already established IP? Probably a fair bit of both.
Honestly what's the point of making an actual adaptation? I'd rather watch something that is not a worse copy pasted. I went watching it as it's own thing and kinda hoped it would be different and.. it is Let's not pretend anyone could make justice to the original. It's such a masterpiece, so yeah just being the same characters doing different things was just "more cowboy bebop" for me (not the cringe moments ofc)
The way I saw it with my friends: If you never watched the anime, they liked it. If they watched the anime, but didn't consider it the epitome anime of all time, they enjoy it but it had a few problems. If you loved the anime and its one of the best of all time, then you are NOT going to enjoy this anime. Personally, I watched the series, and had fun with it. Nothing absurd, or something that wants me to watch it constantly and rewatch it again, but I will watch a second season.
I loved the anime and the show was fine. This is just a matter of people going into this wanting to hate it. If that's the goal, you can watch the 3 twitter viral clips of the show, pretend you've seen it, and hate it forever. Plenty of "real fans" did just that.
I love anime but consider cowboy bebop as one of the worst anime ever made (together with SAO etc). I watched Netflix bebop together with someone who considers Samurai Champloo as one of the best anime ever made(together with HxH, fate zero, etc) and Carole n Tuesday as one of the worst anime ever made. And we both like it. Sure it has some real weaknesses, and the show wouldnt get 8+/10 scoring from us, but if they make the second season, we will both watch it, though we know it will probably go downhill from here.
Watching this review, I was kind of surprised to hear Geoff refer to OG Cowboy Bebop future as dystopia, and toward the end, I think I realized why. I grew up in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The constant poverty, the corrupt law enforcement, the corrupt corporations, people dealing with governments screwing them up, the entire society reeling from a disaster... On some subconscious level, I just read it as "that's just the way life works." Come to think of it, maybe it was part of the appeal for me. It was like childhood, but with space exploration and more advance tech.
Love how despite the world and technology is futuristic, human behaviour never really change, always poor living on the streets, bars to drown your sorrows, more scumbag criminals high and low. Despite being able to fly anywhere in space, you'll just arrive at another human filled planet filled with the same people with the same problems, still earning money just to survive.
When I heard about this, I had a sense of cautious optimism that I never had hearing about other live action anime shows because it's one of the more grounded anime that could be realized. I really enjoyed the first couple of episodes, but changing Vicious from his namesake to a whiny wifebeater just shat on all my hopes. I never even got to Pierot Lefout and that's my favorite episode of the OG. I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up but dammit I wanted this to work...
Bebop was never quite my thing, I only ever found it good, not great. But it is wonderful seeing you talk so passionately about it and how the Netflix show fails to quite capture its magic
I saw Bepop for the first time recently, and was disappointed compared to the hype it gets. I did love the music and visual details, but the story was kind of meh for me. It's interesting to hear people who are so passionate about it discuss what they love though. After watching this review, I think I'll skip the Netflix version totally.
I'm coming back to this video after your post on UA-cam recently, and I have to say that I've watched cowboy Bebop the first time I was a teenager. I was like I don't know 14 years old and I didn't get it the first time, but I watched it again and again and again and again and again and again over and over again. I'm 34 now and I've I've JUST BEGUN TO UNDERTAND and grasp all of the nuances. Such a rich story, and nuanced, and complex... That not for one second I thought the nextflix live action would do this MASTERPIECE justice. I still rewatch CB to this day and everytime I do it I lean and feel something different. I just can't even begin to discribe what this show made me feel.
Honestly I'm watching both for the first time and it's weird how the "Femme Fatale" anime Faye basically never succeeds at being a femme fatale. The only people who seem to fall for her horny tricks are irrelevant, unnamed chumps. She kinda feels like just an overconfident teenager who im surprised isn't already dead. Like Netflix Faye is kinda annoying but she is actually shown successfully femme fatale-ing her way into capturing a big criminal, even though that's not her go-to strategy. The way I'd put it is that anime Faye feels like a teenager who likes shopping and bullying, and Netflix Faye feels like a teenager who plays sports and flames people on Call of Duty.
To me, there are two kinds of "woke". One is to _truly_ treat all people as equal, and to write stories _freely,_ but with _awareness_ of it all. The other is to give white knight special treatment to minorities, and to reduce female characters to "is female and pleases a popular cultural gender narrative" or cast blacks _just because_ they're black. One is _true_ tolerance, the other is differentiated bigotry through _excessive_ tolerance or pandering. *This adaptation is the latter.*
Also, despite how much the show tried at first to demonize Chalmers he's a good fuckin man overall and the Posies and the line of, "He's trying" hit me deep as a father in a co-parenting relationship with my ex. Hearing something like that while in Jet's position is very powerful. If Jet had actually heard that I feel like he would have gained massive respect for Chalmers despite their past.
I agree with all of your points. What’s even more disappointing is that they have certain pieces in place for a great adaptation- for the most part the actors look the part (Mustafa Shakir absolutely nails Jet), the music, etc. But they’ve completely missed the entire point of the anime and have forsaken its soul. Not to mention, Vicious is such a massive letdown that he literally ruins the entire show just by himself (let alone Julia’s characterization).
@@spikejoestar3374 Mustafa Shakir sounds more like Jet than Jet does. And he's been played by black actors before, and people have been casting him as black for ages. It's not even a PC thing.
@@spikejoestar3374 hey, there is this new cool thing called "acting" check it out. Be passed about making the one chick a lesbian to appease all the lesbians if you are gonna complain
The sad part about their usage of Vicious is that one of his key tones in the anime is a twisted sense of justice, and the driving point for Spikethat lies under the surface of his character. Vicious is a shark under the calm surface of Spikes exterior and when news of him surfaces like a fin rising above the water it cuts through the calm. The demeanor that Spike holds is broken because of this because he desires revenge.Vicious is meant to be an ever lurking force in Spike that is rarely spoken of or seen. The acting and also putting Vicious in brighter environments, this created a goofy character that, instead of lurking in the shadows came as subtly as a sharknado.
I don't know what you all are talking about. The last scene with "Ed" is one of the most perfect pieces of meta genius I've seen in media history. I immediately relate to Spike lying on the ground as I feel like this show has beat something that I loved to death before my very eyes. Meanwhile I'm watching the machinations of their coup de grâce, one final character I thought had been spared; ruined with the only few moments of screen time remaining in the show. This is the dirt in the eye, the fuck you sign of our generation. It's over boys and girls, art has been supplanted.
Goddamn, Geoff, this is some of the most engaging and well-put-together media criticism I've seen anywhere. Holy shit, dude; guess Bebop brings out the best in you :)
It's so sad to me that hating a project now has a mob of limp dick nerds ready to use that to harass any women connected to a project for months on end. I would one hundred percent rather they got another season just to see what they'd do than watch people lose their jobs and get hundreds of subtweets full of the kind of vitrol this really didn't deserve. Hopefully, they can find a new project and not be poisoned by misogynistic nerd rage bullshit.
What really depresses me looking over the footage you show is that I can see a fun looking original sci-fi show buried under here. The spaceship sets, the CG, even the lighting and cinematography look pretty fun and creative. Maybe not super, ultra refined and competent, but swinging for the fences. You take out the Bebop coat of paint and focus on making something half way original and fun, you could have the next Farscape on your hands.
Stellar video, I especially appreciated how you dealt with the culture war debate over the adaptation, because yes, regardless of how we feel about the term 'woke' the original show is extremely CONSCIOUS (as you said, nice pun btw) of how significant the profit motive is to dividing humanity.
19:13 I actually saw the writer responding to a clip of this scene to which she said “I wrote that line” to which I responded “and you’re proud of that?”
Cowboy bepop is art at its finest. This anime was light-years ahead of its time. The fluid fight scenes . The voice acting. And fucking edward !!! ❤ i mean how can u not love this show. I wish it was longer. But yea they botched it bad
edward was the part i hated the most about it. tried to find out why it is so hyped, didn´t understand it, beyond the animation-style and world-building. the story was never more than some very very clishe film-noir-tropes, monsters of the week, despite the wannabe-meaningful "oh, but i still cannot forget julia, and the syndicate, and that guy whose name is literaly vicious but he was at one time my friend, surprisingly he is evil, and we sometimes rund into each other and fight"-"plot". edward always acted retarded, never understood whether she was supposed to be 13-ish or 8-ish and mentally challenged to some degree. fey looked like a hooker and was egoistic all throughout the story, often sarcastic, at least she had that plot about her past that was ok, but lead nowhere, jet was a good guy all throughout the show but his backstory was just a 0815 film-noir "my partner shot me in the back"-"plot" and his story also lead nowhere. so while everyone seems to praise it for the characters, i could just tolerate them. it wasnt boring, sometimes interesting, but at no point in time did it make me feel anything. that song that is being played while spike falls down through that church-window was good.
@@davejacob5208 So, here’s the problem most people have with the live action adaptation: there is a gradual evolution of your understanding of the situation. Ed is a delightful addition at a certain point in the anime that reestablishes your faith in humanity, in a way. I highly recommend you get through the first few episodes of the anime, I think you’ll understand why people were highly anticipating a live action Ed. I don’t think there was any hope that you could find an actress who could portray Ed correctly. In my mind I was thinking if you are going to put ad in live action Cowboy Bebop, then you might as well just go ahead and make her a CGI character, and no fault and very acceptable if the CGI still makes Ed look very cartoonish. Ed is more of an emotion in action than a realistic character. I was introduced to anime and the mid 90s, I developed my taste based on Tensi, the wanderers, Escaflowne, and vast variety of usually light ensemble cast with occasional dips into Pathos and drama. Cowboy bebop was like a slap in the face. At every moment I knew every character I was being introduced to did not have a good life. Even Ein. Even the side characters were expertly characterized. The bombs, the lifelong patrons of bars and Ramen shacks. It added levels of interest. OK, and then: the soundtrack. I have spent the last 24 years, making sure that I always had a copy of each of the three original soundtrack CDs released. I can’t live without them. Yoko Kanno is compositional genius, and she peppers her songs with Kanno speak, a fake language she invented and uses for lyrics. For example “green bird”. It sounds like a religious song that was written in the 1400s or 1500s and we imagine we’re listening to Latin or some old language. Nope, just Kanno, indulging herself by manipulating a fake language for perfect vocals on a classic composition that rivals the ancient classical composers. I did not even realize that she wasn’t just covering a 500 year old song. The back stories of the main characters in the anime are more realistic in their way. They should never have been represented as anything other than a woman who understands she needs to use her absolute sex appeal to get what she needs out of the world. Her backstory is absolutely understandable. Live action, and producers afraid of portraying a woman using her wiles to get what she wants diluted her character ridiculously. Spike Spiegel, Who tries to casually hide his anguish behind an ultra cool dismissive callous personality it’s a tragic character who tries to sublimate his betrayal by people whom he considered his closest friends is heartbreaking. Jet was accurately portrayed in both the anime and in the live action show. More or less. The best thing about the anime is that it gives us this backstory that is pretty horrific for everyone involved, but Salz the series with lighthearted episodes which reminds us that even when life seems untenable, it’s the people that we surround ourselves with that save the day emotionally, physically and existentially. You just can’t get that point across with the limitations of real people and real cameras and cheap sets in 10 episodes. And again I cannot stress how important it is that the soundtrack in the anime is used like a surgeon with the sharpest scalpel. Where are used to music and live action was just to drop it in wherever so it could do ill-advised fan service. I believe that if they were allowed the budget HBO Max might’ve given them, we might have an entirely different animal as a result. I don’t think you can do this in live action and I don’t mind Netflix. Just have a look at Arcane. A masterpiece of a story with Rich characterization that cost me to have investment in even the least character in the show. It’s based on a shitty, but very popular free to play game with a Spidey cannon and backstory for every character. I have to say I have never seen a more beautiful animation than this show Arcane. If you hire and pay enough money to get good writers, you might have been able to make something good from cowboy bebop for a very limited live action season. They just didn’t adapt it correctly. And that’s the bottom line. You can throw as much money as you like or as little at set design and CGI and actor talent but if your story is weak and sloppily adapted, you Start on a bad footing. Once you slip you’re going down a steep slope and generally you cannot recover. Ultimately, the Cowboy Bebop anime is a product of its time, a product of the right people in the right place at the right time, perfect selection of soundtrack composer, perfect Japanese voice casting and director. It is perfect as it is. Most of us just don’t understand why you would try to improve on something that needs no improvement.
@@davejacob5208 Well, you didn’t bother to read it, no surprise there. It is probably longer than your usual reading material. Nice casual use of the word “retarded” by the way. Buh-bye.
The best part of the remake was listening to the Japanese dub and wow, Koicihi Yamadera and Megumi 'Goddess of Voice Acting' Hayashibara are still amazing and make the American actors sound like cosplayers.
Most frustrating part about the flashback episode is that it should have been #8 instead of #9. The revelation that Vicious is the son of an elder lacks any punch in the subplot to #8 and the scene of Vicious taking out the elders would have much greater impact if we'd seen the abusive relationship with his father before hand.
I think the remake is a good example of how a better show would have been made if they just made their own unique show. There's a lot of talent on display in most apsects of the production but the constant tight rope walking of adapting one of the most universally beloved shows of all time led to a lot of odd and offputting creative decisions. If Netflix just said "We're making space action dramedy inspired by Cowboy Bebop" I think they could have made an absolute banger.
I agree. It’s already been done once before. In my opinion, Firefly is a inspiration resulting from Whedon watching Bebop. So it’s not ridiculous to say “I loved this anime when I was younger and I’m going to make something similar. Because cowboys in space is a cool idea”.
Still can’t believe they went full on, “rawr! *GLOMP* X’D” for ed. In a world of Tiktok tweens & ‘raised on Twitch middle schoolers’ the writers really didn’t update her character the same way they updated the other 3. . .
To be fair, I'd rather not waste hours of my life on something that I have a strong suspicion of not liking, only to reach the conclusion that I do not like it either because of my predetermined decision to not do so or reach that same conclusion even when approached with an open mind. I think you can go by a strong, first impression to decidedly not like something without experiencing it, and while that does remove much of the bite from the bark doing so in terms of an informed discussion, I can't actively blame someone for similarly not wanting to waste their time. ... unless of course I feel like hating myself and must feel like I can speak on some authority of just how awful something like Ero-Manga Sensei is, but that's a form of self loathing I would not encourage people to do That being said, sincerely appreciate your review of this series. I can't say I'd personally be as optimistic as you are, preferring the end this series has earned, but it's nice to be a little bit more informed about the content. Not that I needed much information to avoid this series as I wasn't ever particularly excited about it, just wasn't a doom monger over it neither. A sort of "yep, most live action anime don't workout so well" mindset where I just didn't want to follow anything about it until its release. Might've watched it like Death note if it was a movie. There's something to be said about the hate mongers too. Ain't hard making money on something topical. It's unfortunate that is easily rewarded, but the internet hasn't been much of a place for discussion as much as self affirmation for some time.
All the critiques in this video were valid, the good & the bad. I went into the show expecting to not like it (Death Note was a tragedy of a movie, and that's where my head was at), I gave it a chance though, and after I stopped viewing it as "Cowboy Bebop" and started viewing it as a show *inspired by* Cowboy Bebop, I found myself having a decent time (the end was definitely rough though). BUT, there were about 3 episodes or so that actually shined, sucked me in and had me having a pretty good time. I think that proves this show had potential, but now they'll never get the chance to refine what they had & tap into that potential. But oh well. Nothing they can do now lol
More like Missed Opportunity.Would have been nice to: 1. Explore relationship between Vicious, Spike and Julia before their falling out. 2. Should have been a Noir style story with comedic undertones rather than this. 3. Yoko Kanno's amazing Music being tied to the story.
I kinda feel like they didn't really need to make Gren non-binary. It is implied that in the original series that he was gay, or at least asexual because he did tell Faye that a relationship with a woman wasn't his style. And it makes me sad because he wasn't trans either. He was tried as a spy and ended up in prison. He later got drugged in prison and ended up with the physical changes because the drugs messed up his hormones. He wasn't at all trans. He was shown in Jupiter jazz wearing male clothes, and presenting himself as a man because he was a man! While he did wear kinda effeminate clothes towards the end of the episode, it was only really bc he was trying to get revenge at vicious. For Pete's sake he even uses male pronouns! I really don't think they needed to "fix" Gren. *He was absolutely fine the way he was written*. Not to mention the shocking background of his time on Titan with Vicious, and how Gren believed that they were comrades only to be betrayed and tried as a spy. I feel like they really did do a disservice to Gren's character by "fixing" Gren and just making him non-binary, and kind of disregarding all he went through.
I don’t care about the change to Gren’s sexual identity. But they otherwise stripped Gren’s entire backstory and personality away to the point where it isn’t Gren anymore. They’re just the jazz bar lady’s sidekick now. I don’t care that Faye sleeps with women either, but it was jarring watching Netflix Faye be so dopey vs the more confident original Faye. The comedy subplot about her con artist mom was vastly inferior to the messed up tragedy in the original show. Honestly, I would have rather they merely gender swapped Whitney to a woman Faye’s age and kept that romance/betrayal in tact and left out the mechanic from the Brain Scratch adaptation
to add to this, to me it's really weird how over the years Gren (as in, the original Gren) has morphed into this "finally some delicious trans/enby rep" character, I mean babe sure is charming and I get the relatability/projection potential, but uuuuh going that interpretation route (which as you mentioned is not highly supported by canonical evidence) has some ouchy implications... I also suppose the "gender-nonconforming [i.e., non-toxic masculine, well-groomed, openly empathetic] veering into genderfluid/agender [through medical malpractice], sexually ambiguous" vibes that Gren does 100% send off really stuck in the minds of Western audiences, plus this may be yet another attempt to make the character less controversial in an American Liberal way
I think the thing that you pointed right at the end of chapter 4 about how, despite the changes, it feels like people working on the show have at least some appreciation for Bebop as a show is why I'm cautiously hopeful about the show and its future. I'm still working up to actually watching it but it's never felt like GITS or Dragonball or the other one we don't talk about. It might not be good but it feels like it's coming from a place of love, even if the shots comparing it to the original they posted on Twitter feel tone deaf as fuck.
Well, they aren't really doing that...they are doing nothing more than trying to make money off of a fanbase that already exists. They are just cherry picking instead of producing their own originals. Its lazy and greedy which is exactly why they are never made well.
The worst part. the ABSOLUTE worst part is that this will hit the target demographic well enough. That target demographic is "that friend you tried to get into anime, and you talked about how good Cowboy Bebop is to them". The people that have vaguely heard of the work, but they never seen it, or really ever been enough into anime to bother. They will think "oh, live action, maybe I can get into that". And they do. And that brings us to the tragedy- you will NEVER be able to get them to understand how much better the original was. They will filter it through THIS GARBAGE, and their lack of interest in anime will let them ignore the cinematography, sound design, etc. to the side while they only have I "oh, I guess that is what that scene came from. Ok, I guess". And that will be it. Their main reaction will be "why is [insert your name here] making me watch this? I already saw the other one." And they will, in their mind, label this, "the other one", as the "better" one. You know this will happen. You've likely had this happen with your friend before. And you know it will kill you inside. I know you hate me for writing this comment, for baring this truth to the world. But I need to to share in my pain, as I have come upon these truth while writing this. If we cannot share our joy with others because they can't understand, I will at least share my pain with those that understand.
Can I just point out that a friend's Sister got into Death note from the movie? And she thinks the anime is better despite filtering in from it? I think you're wrong. I'm just gonna say that.
I love how everyone is blaming "wester sensibilities" on the terrible writing and YES those are tropes - but the GREATEST shows and movies do NOT play on these tropes - and if they do it tends to be some sort of remix or clap back. Otherwise, when I questioned netbop after a few episodes this review legit helped me enjoy the rest of the series, skip ep 9 and anything with vicious, and enjoy it as "notbop"
Seems less like they play on western sensibilities than western STUDIO sensibilities. I guess when every person is trying to maximize profits and audience appeal you end up coming to the same conclusions and eventually the same kind of shows.
A spade is a spade is a spade. Don't call it a hammer, if you can only use it as a wrench. To do otherwise is to place undue responsibility on the audience. Sure, a volleyball game can be exciting, but you shouldn't call it the NBA Play-Offs
I watched Cowboy Bebop probably about 20 times since 1998. I watched this series for about.. one and a half episodes. I felt insulted. Nothing else to add.
The Netflix adaptation could have gone with an entire different story but seeing snippets of the original playing out in the background and probably would have been greeted better by og bebop fans while intriguing new fans to see the original
My first impression is that they made a very different show than I expected,but it could still be good in it's own way. I expected Sergio space poverty. They went with bright Schumacher space pop. I expected newbies or all screen veterans. They mixed that. I expected Snyder "this is so real yo" and they went,"this is so unreal". But the decisions do come from an understandable genesis. A living cartoon.
In fact, I liked it, it was a fun watching, and overanalyzing every aspect can make Lynch look bad (it has been done) so yeah I know, anime is better, tho this show got too much shit for how good/bad is. I mean here in yt people watch shitty anime and call it anime of the season without all this shitstorms
As soon as you said Ana’s was a jazz club I loudly said to myself, “what is this Gotham?” Then saw you made the exact point 😂😂 Side note: I really love Gotham though, I think it’s a great TV show and I’m the biggest Batman fan I know.
As a correction, Gren's actor *was* referring to correcting the issues of Cowboy Bebop. Quote below: "We wanted to make sure that it was an opportunity to right some of the uncomfortable wrongs of a film like The Crying Game that Gren's entire track is sort of based on. And then, plus, righting some of the issues in the anime." Also from the second paragraph of the article: However, certain trans tropes were also intertwined with Gren's arc, making them a pivotal, yet still somewhat problematic icon for queer fans watching back home. As someone who "actually read that one interview", you skipped the literal next sentence that says they *were* referring to Cowboy Bebop.
My late 60s parents accidentally watched the first episode of this show and stopped watching it in anger because they felt they were tricked into thinking the show was about a Corgi.
they're pretty smart id put on the anime for them thats what i did for my mom she was confused about it until i put on the anime. luckily she understood what was better
I believe giving Jet Black a family/daughter actually worsens his character a bit because in the original it feels like he is taking on a paternal role to the crew because he has no outlet for this elsewhere. Giving him a daughter to focus on actually takes away from that unique dynamic.
The subtext of the anime is that all four characters have been set adrift from all the human relationships they used to know, and can now only find it in each other, dysfunctional and mildly toxic as that might be. Giving Jet a daughter not only ruins the powerful unspoken theme running through the team dynamic, it doesn't add anything to his character.
Imo she was just an addition, not a replacement. If there's any lack of the feeling you're talking about then I think that's more to do with the story being told than the daughter characters inclusion. Basically, if there's a problem then it's with THAT first and additional characters second.
Him having a kid really throws it off for me too, like if he has a kid that he cares that much for and just wants to use the money to buy presents and be there for her then why would he be a bounty hunter? Why wouldn't he just get an office job that has steady pay and lets him stay near his daughter so he can always be there for her.
Dude, I don't actively hate the live action adaptation like some fans do, but seeing clips from the anime after clips from flixbop is like filling your lungs with fresh air when you didn't even realize you were holding your breath. The original really is just as close to a perfect piece of visual media and storytelling as human hands can create.
I see what you mean there. Defintely in more aspects than others. Being someone that is all for seeing different takes on things I fully enjoyed pretty much every aspect of the show. Save for Vicious... That was just... Overtly saddening. Lol But from Ana, Gren, Julia, and the main cast, I super enjoyed the new takes and future setups for the whole show.
It is my favorite anime of all time. I enjoy most aspects of the live action version. Except what they did to my baby Ed. Vicious and Julia were a little butchered too but I could handle that. But what they did to my baby Ed broke my heart. Otherwise I enjoyed the show!!
If people are holding their expectations of the live action up to the Anime then of course they will be disappointed… they're looking through the eyes of Nostalgia and they need to just enjoy it for what it is, and that's "Based on the anime" instead of comparing it to the anime as if its supposed to be a live action copy.
I thought it was okay or meh but man it could have work out of the writing was better and the character was better written spike and fade are a downgrade to their anime version the only character I thought was decently written was jet
It is not bad by Netflix standards, the main chars are well cast at least, despite made different. But relative to the original, quite bad and disrespectful. And 30% dedicated to Vicious is horrible. Or, say, Gren. He is totally okay as a goofy support character if you forget that he is replacing a serious character who had his own 2 episodes. Recycled and bastardized the original to please those who never watched it. And, the fans of the original, we are supposed to be happy that some of the good parts have survived the rape.
This adaptation’s existence is what drove me, a part of the algorithm generation, to actually watch the original show and discover it’s jaw dropping beauty. If nothing else I am thankful for that.
Same here. I never would've watched the show if it wasn't for seeing clips of it being compared to scenes from the Netflix adaptation, which showed me everything I was missing out on in the original.
There is only one point in this analysis that I would say you are completely wrong. 7:53 As someone who has owned a corgi for over a decade now, I can assure you that Ein does NOTHING in the anime that I have not seen my corg do in real life. Including the weird hopping thing. ESPECIALLY the weird hopping thing.
I was hoping someone would point that out, I truly believe that when they did that scene in "Mushroom Samba" that someone had a pet Corgi and saw it jumping around like that and they used it in the show because it is so true!! Corgis really do weird stuff like that ;)
I just feel bad that John Cho moved his whole family to New Zealand because he planned on this being a multi-season Netflix show. He was pretty dedicated.
New Zealand is a beautiful place to live. I would look at the glass half full and say that it gave him an excuse to move there. He could've moved to somewhere like Ethiopia, for which pity would be well deserved.
I feel worse for the regular New Zealanders working on the show. Lighting and everything else, your regular crew who lost a years long gig because of the completely talentless hacks in charge of the show. Though also feel a bit bad for John Cho because he seemed to be the only one who genuinely cared about making something for the fans.
Netflix: We have to tone down Faye’s sexuality so she can be taken more seriously. Also Netflix: Gives her a sex scene.............just because, I guess?
There IS an argument to be made about “objectification vs sexuality” in the instance of whether a person is in control of their presence sexually or not.. but adding a sex scene to an adaptation without any need for it isn’t.. really doing that? I’m sure the creators had that in mind, but instead it gives off the impression that “Wearing sexual clothing makes you unable to be taken seriously(which obviously they didn’t mean, don’t think I actually accuse them of this) but being sexual for another person’s benefit is a-ok.(WHICH IT IS, DONT GET ME WRONG!!! but to say it’s the only scenario that is strikes me as a little cringe)” No hate at all to anyone involved though. Do not care enough about live action adaptations to shit on the creators.
This is the reason why “the manga, the anime, the Netflix adaption” is a meme that’s never played in flattering light for Netflix
More like the novel, the manga, the anime then the Netflix adaptation
@@javianbrown8627 *Light Novel. Lets not pretend weabs actually read
What do you think a light novel is?
@@anguishedcarpet that proves I'm not a weeb. I read them
to be fair, a cowboy bebop manga wouldn't hit quite as well unless there were little buttons on each page that played a yoko kanno track to correspond with a particular scene
A quote from Roger Ebert's review of Battlefield Earth, "The director has learned from better films that directors sometimes tilt their cameras, but he has not learned why," applies here perfectly.
Absolute perfect quote to sum up my sheer annoyance at the creative team overusing that frigging dutch shot angle and failing to understand how you're supposed to use them in the shot composition.
Beautiful comment and yes, it got extremely annoying after the first 20min
Like how the first Thor movie was done. It hurts to see once you notice a lot of the shots compose of dutch angles.
This was perfect quote. I think this describes the show on the whole
It's pretty much like if jojo did the "menacing" symbols literally every other scene haha. It's like wait why are you doing that? It's not the right moment for that yet..
Vicious' actor literally always looks like he thought of a really funny joke he's waiting for the right time to tell
And nobody is following his imaginary script
Honestly, he feels like an unbridled horse... In dire need of a dentist
Vicious was a cool mysterious character they made him a joke lmao
While also trying REEEALLY hard to hold in a massive fart
@@Illvana oh god now I will not be able to unsee it.
Netflix Bebop is a great case study in why people need to take media literacy seriously. Because at the end of the day, most of the problems that plagued this show could have been solved if anyone involved loved the messaging of the show more than the aesthetics.
Yes. Cowboy Bebop is an amalgam of Westerns, film noir, science fiction, and Hong Kong cinema as interpreted by a Japanese production team who loved these genres. The American team, not so much...
When watching the Cantonese space gangster scenes, it struck me that not a single person involved in writing, editing, or production had ever watched a John Woo movie... They had no sense of how things should look or what issues of duty, love, greed, and loyalty should be emphasized. They were just "This is Asian. We need it to be bright and flashy."
I very much doubt any of the writers for Netflix Bebop watched a single episode of the original anime in its entirety. Really feels like, at best, they watched several youtube clips of the most iconic moments and based their show around those without any additional context to them. It explains why the main tone for the new series is comical, bordering parody, rather than the tragic melodrama that permeates the original anime.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 the original bebop was also explicitly leftists as well. Not in the liberal way the live action showed but in an ACTUAL LEFTISTS SENSE. It had very harsh critiques for modern capitalistic society . It wasn’t woke it was a modern critique from an actual policy non aesthetic perspective.
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It goes to show that people need to create new IP's and not remakes. If this were a scifi show heavily inspired by Cowboy Bebop would have been much more tolerable.
"Guaranteed a second season" fortunately didn't age well.
mothers basement is often wrong when it comes to his predictions lol
@@debodatta7398 lol yeah he was wrong on a number of things in this review. Like it not being a show pandering to the woke crowd. The tokenism is pretty clear cut.
@@jesusisc0mings00n3 That's not what he said? He said that it was less woke than the original, not that it wasn't woke or pandering to the woke crowd.
@@jesusisc0mings00n3 I have never seen someone trying so hard to misinterpret a messege to support their political agenda.
@@snug0191 political agenda? If you're talking about me, I have no political agenda. I hate politics and I'm an independent. You don't think that it's tokenism to cast a black actor (he was awesome by the way), to a role that wasn't black, and paint him as stereotypical as they could? I mean, leaving his family because he had to go to jail, and was falsely imprisoned by the police. Really? And this is just one character that they destroyed. Mustafa Shakir was amazing, considering that pile of garbage that he was dealt by the writers.
I feel so bad for the person who played Ed, none of this was their fault
They seem like such a lovely person and extremely enthusiastic for the character. Honestly, given what they were asked to do, their performance was great! It's all on the director.
Played Ed? Do you mean said some words for 40 seconds as his/her first work as an actor and now is been use as tool for the hate of " fans" over a show?
@@mothersbasement Thank you. I’m so happy to see this. A lot of people are going to come after this young, new actor and that’s so sad. It’s their first role and they’re so happy to be a part of it and if they read a lot of vile toxicity towards them as a person - undeservedly so - it could be so damaging.
@@DuskWolf99 It's none of the actors faults for how this played out. It's the fault of the director and script writer. This young actor did nothing wrong and I may not have liked the direction of Ed, but I found the actor playing Ed to have a charm to them.
For what they had to go with they acted the shit out of it and for that I appreciate them.
Hope she’s not discouraged by the reaction to 60 seconds of her inclusion and she’s able to understand that the bulk of the issues with that scene and the show in general stems from the showrunners and writers themselves. She may be the worst or best actress to ever live for all we know, but I’m not judging her entire skill set over 60 seconds.
With that said, screw this adaptation in general.
The fact that he said “there is no movie in Ba Sing Se” makes me feel good
There is no beef in Netflix Bebop's beef and bell peppers.
That was actually genius. I am surprised that this was the first time I heard somebody make that joke.
@@TheDiabeticGameMaster can you explain it to me? I’ve seen Avatar but I’m rarded I need help :(
There *is* no movie in Ba Sing Se!
As you know, when I raided the Great Library of Ba Sing Se...
How could you screw up Vicious? He’s a monster, intimidating, and pretty straightforward
Easily. They tried to do too much with him instead of letting him be that brooding, mysterious evil that's nipping at Spike's heels and reminding him of what he once was.
Make him whiny man baby… Easy!
😂😢😢😢
@@Pengalor Vicious should represent the past and that's all we know about him. Don't get into anything else with him, just that.
Haven't gone too far into it but I didn't find Vicious bad so far.
Actually, in Bebop's case, Yoko Kanno created the music first before the animation, the story, and characters even existed.
Watanabe was even inspired by her music to create new scenes.
This makes Cowboy Bebop even more special because not only is it extremely rare to have the music as the focus, but to allow the composer to write what they want without the director misusing their music.
That said, while I don't want to blindly hate Netflix's adaptation, the music from there is actually kind of okay, but there are some clips that just don't digest well with some of the scenes, in my opinion.
Yoko Kanno did the music for the live action too which I thought was really cool and made sense because I really enjoyed the music throughout the live action series, especially when they added songs from the anime.
Saying the truth or wanting quality isn't hating tho ... stop being afraid mate.
1 2 3 let's jam
@@alexl9334 isn't it 3 2 1?
but whatever, I'm not complaining
@@SquaulDuNeant
Thanks, but I'm just saying that I don't think it's fair of me to judge a series, saying that it's all bad, without fully watched it, hence blindly hating XD.
I like Jet Black's actor and how he ATE the role. My problem is that the writers gave him a backstory that's basically Terry Jeffords from B99 in Scott Lang's storyline in Antman.
Thats why ANime wasn't really WOKE as much as progressive. Netflix was WOKE becuase it wanted to fix things that didn't need fixing. Like changing Faye tragic past about her hetersoexual relationship into annoying quirky lesbian from Marvel movies. Since they already feel proud of giving Jet the Black skin and earn their progressive points on twatter they had to ass lines about being "Black Male" as well as single dad backstory becuase thats how leftists see Black community. Oh and obviously Gren and Ed had to be non binary for safe inclusion even though they were more complicated than that.
@@MrConredsX What lesbian do you see in Marvel movies? Progressive is woke dude, progressives are leftists.
Single dad is NOT the stereotype attributed to black men lol, he's also not single, he has a wife. Black people deal with divorce like the rest of us. His portrayal is also the one positive I see everyone talk about, and isn't that what you weirdos keep screeching about? Casting for talent over "diversity"?
If Bebop was written now Ed and Gren would be non-binary, it's called people's views change, they had no idea what enbies were back then. And do you sincerely think being enby is this simple, safe thing?
@@MrConredsX There's like barely any non-binary characters or actors in media. It's the least safe form of inclusion.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Then create non binary character instead forcing them in into characters that aren't
@@MrConredsX In case you didn't know, WOKE is just a buzz word for social progressivism. There's literally zero difference between them, other than some kids decided they needed a 4 letter word for it.
It's actually hysterical watching this and hearing "all but guarantees it a second season" after it being cancelled.
Feels good. Hope we can all forget about it soon.
I know right?! I had to fight the urge to cackle out loud when I heard that bit
'few reasons' heh.
Thank satan
It was bad enough that watching the trailer was enough to put us off so it was dead on arrival. Unlike the opinion in the vid most people are saying the character don't get close to the originals other than Mustafa Shakir with Jet who by all accounts is good.
Jeff: listing in detail why you cannot translate Ed 1:1 from animation to live action
Me, head in my hands knowing exactly what's coming: Jeff, please... I beg you
my mind the entire time: Geoff hit me with it, come on now, don't prolong the torture, DO IT
@@farhanasafran8124 like when you take the guy holding the gun to your head by the hand and force it up against your skull while screaming "COME ON PUSSY DO IT DO IT NOW!"
I just laugh cried from your comment, which is more than I can say the live action in question elicited.
What do you mean, I didn't get it
"People definitely died when they were killed."
I see what you did there.
🤣
Shiro Emiya: *Breaths out in relief*
I think something a lot of “reboots” are running into is… people in the industry enjoy iconic media and want to create something because of it. But instead of making a separate IP inspired by it, they choose to build on top of the existing IP. But what happens is their personal style influences how they create the “expansion”, and essentially what happens is they add a Roman column to a Greek temple. Sure they share similar elements, but that does not make them the same.
I was first introduced to Cowboy Bebop by one of my English teachers in high school, who was incredibly based and much beloved. We were talking anime one day and I was the only one who watched any. Told him I'd never seen it, just a couple snippets here and there. "You gotta watch it, man." Next day he lends me his fancy collector's edition set. Watched it all that night and returned it to him, eyes open. We pretty much shot the shit the whole next class about it.
What they've done here has probably made him cry. It would've been tolerable, maybe even kinda good if it weren't attached to the name. Mr C, if you see this just know I haven't fallen for this infernal tasteless spell.
Might've been the thing that pulled me a B in that class, I hardly did any of the assignments. Thanks man.
Original: let's rarely mention Vicious so whenever he shows up he'll actually have a menacing presence and we don't know what he'll do
Netflix: sure but what if we had a full storyline with clips in each episode so you get to know the character
It might have worked. . . if he hadn't been characterized so pathetically.
Like monsters in horro films, less is more. Can go the other way too - like Julia
And lots of shots of tuna
"We can't stop this show from existing now, or even getting a second season, most likely."
We did stop it. The evil has been defeated.
idk, while I agree with most of this review, I think that the show, by itself, removed from the bebop name, was decent, and the actors did a good job. i think the show just failed in the writers adapting it to live action
@@jacobkeffer8437 it also failed as a SHOW. It was way too expensive and time consuming to produce for the results that it got in terms of views/ viewer retention. I think thats the main reason it got shut down rather than anime fan backlash
@@Demolitions75 ironically, I'm pretty sure it was because of it's rating. It was a little off from what Netflix usually uses to renew their shows. Which not gonna lie, wasn't too far off surprisingly. (70% for Netflix and I'm pretty sure Cowboy Bebop was at a 58%.)
@@Demolitions75 it was definitely from ratings AND views, not one or the other
@@Demolitions75 true. But maybe it wasn't the fan backlash as it actually was fans *lack* of interest. I'm a fan and didn't even watch it. And others will just tell you they watched 1 or 2 episodes
Vicious looks like a HBOs Game of Thrones Targaryen reject who just like gave up
I always called him budget Geralt who fell on hard times and started dealing and shit because no one would toss a coin to that Witcher anymore.
Honestly though, the characters not learning from their mistakes is the most humanly accurate thing ever.
Let's just call it quits and agree that Firefly is the closest thing to a live action adaptation of Cowboy Bepop there will ever be.
You and I both know that Firefly was already a live action adaptation of Outlaw Star.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick I mean, I adore all three, but you're not wrong!
@@stellardendrite Joss Whedon’s a hack.
Nah I thought battle Alita was pretty sweet.
And serenity
Gren was one of my favorite characters from the original bebop and it saddens me to see how they decided to handle their character in this adaptation. The straw that broke the camels back for me on this one.
Especially since it ISN’T their character.
Finally someone else that understands bebop had a HUGE amount of political philosophy in it!! The show was so much more then it seemed on the surface and watanabe San is fucking based and a genius
Also mothers basement a hasanabi head confirmed??!! Extra based
Vicious is a dark mirror of Spike and isn't ever present because he doesn't need to be. The story isn't about him. Same with Julia. She shows up when it's time for him to die because it's his past finally catching up with him that he could never let go of. Also, the Netflix show revels too much in adding in a ton of violence against women where that didn't exist before.
Not only that, but spending a lot of time focusing on Vicious and Julia just destroys their mystique.
It makes Vicious less threatening (even without the bad acting and change to his personality), and it bogs down the mystery of Spike's past, and his connections to these two people.
It is weird. I never imagined even the far scarier Vicious of the anime as a wife beater. Obviously he was vindictive enough to order her to kill Spike when he found out about their relationship. But that is space gangster sh!t not I’m a cry baby with impotent rage sh!t
I thought the fact that Julia MARRIED Vicious destroyed her character. In the anime she fled for her life, going into hiding and leaving everything behind. She would rather die than marry him. She was enigmatic but there was the impression that she was strong and resourceful.
@@existentialgamer9206 You barely see Julia in the anime. But when you do, she's doing the same space noir action alongside everyone else. In the Netflix show, she's just a damsel until her inevitable heel villain heel turn. At least before I could care about Julia as a mystery or simply because Spike did. But just watching this man baby version of Vicious abuse her, followed by a weak flashback love story, followed by a villain twist ... there was just never any reason to care about this version of the character
@@TheJadedJames That is definitely something else that bugs me: Julia is not someone who can't take care of herself. She has all of her strengths taken away to be a victim to a sub-par Vicious' tantrums. But the Julia in the anime is every bit the lethal assassin and soldier that Spike and Vicious were. Which: a show that revels in taking power away from women, praising cops, and ignoring all the social commentary about the problems of capitalism....I mean I guess it all goes hand-in-hand, really.
The problem with adapting a masterpiece is that you can only ever be “as good” at best and, most likely, worse.
If we were to see a remake of the Mario movie, we could see that it couldn’t be much worse.
In Bebop, it was always going to be an imitation. It’s already a masterpiece, and in adapting it to live action and doing the “same” story, it just becomes a cheap wannabe.
I think the term you're looking for is "cheap watanabe"
What killed me was how they put ‘you’re gonna carry that weight’ on the second to last title card of the season and then had Faye reference it in the last episode. Turned it from this impactful thing about how you the viewer have to carry on Spike’s story now that the show is done to just this ‘hey look we said the thing’
Yea i have that tattooed on my forearm along side Spike’s ship and I cringe at how they destroyed all the meaning and “weight” behind the timing and meaning of that line.
Or Vicious saying "you will shed tears of scarlet" at the very beginning for no real reason, sigh.
That sums up the entire show and Netflix's motivation in doing it to begin with....it was just "look we did the thing from the anime" as an entire show except for when they did the things that didn't make any sense at all. Shows like this arent even really worth reviewing, watching, or getting upset about....its nothing more than a shallow cash grab by Netflix to milk a developed IP because thats easier than making a new one that is actually good.
We are drowning in nostalgic references/Easter eggs nowadays. It was fun when Marvel first started doing it, but writers are treating them as a replacement for plots and character developments.
They cheapened it
What always bothered me was how anime isn't drawn anymore in detail. This is 20+ years old and looks better than almost every other episodic anime. If your into that CRISP drawn style like Bebop go watch REDLINE, it took 7 years to draw it's a feast for the anime eyes!
Facts
I think the thing that gets me the most about the Netflix version of Ed is how poorly they understood how the character was intended to be in the anime. Like, Ed (at least as far as I can tell) is more of a parody, behaviorally speaking, of that one hyper little kid that we all know. Like, obviously no human being would behave like Ed does in the anime. Some of that shit is very clearly meant to be an exaggeration, and it works well. It conveys how over-the-top and obscenely hyper Ed is. The Netflix Ed didn’t have to be this weird, creepy kid (albeit only for one scene). They could have found a more nuanced way to convey that sense of Ed being a crazy, hyper child. Shame we’ll never get the chance to see it though
Also they put some boy that is transitioning into a girl to play Ed. Ed was a girl in the anime. It pissed me off because they wanted to push their lbgtq bs instead of giving the role to a talented girl actor.
Completely agree with you that the goofy exaggeration only works in the anime. How hard was it to just make a normal girl that is a genius with a sense of humor. The writers sucked.
@@mili-oh4481bro the actor is gender queer and wasn’t a boy transitioning to a girl 💀
@@helenainamerica I read an article on him now, guess he's just a homosexual boy.
@@mili-oh4481 i know him irl dude
@@mili-oh4481weird of you to take this opportunity to be transphobic, but ok
I think the difference between the complaint of "Woke" versus what Political Commentary, comparing Netflix to the Original, is because what I call "Woke Culture" is more akin to Tokenism than it is political commentary. For instance, without the context of "They'll be more important in Season 2," Putting Gren in there *feels* like they threw a Non-binary character in for the sake of a check mark for Representation's Sake only. Whereas in the original, Gren is Non-binary, and that doesn't really matter to their character. I can't quite recall if any attention is directly drawn to it besides one point when they refuses Faye's advances because 'Sex with a woman isn't his thing.' Now, the Netflix version doesn't seem to ride on high for their gender identity, but fans know and fans will question 'Why is Gren here?' when they serve no plot importance at all.
I stand by the idea that Pacific Rim (the first one) is hands down Hollywood's best adaptation of anime, despite not being explicitly based on any one anime property.
Vicious was a larger-than-life presence in the anime... you dread the encounter and anxiously expect to know him... but this
His character was almost supernatural
I'd argue you still dread the encounter with this version of Vicious just for all the wrong reasons
@@balsasjekloca9308 too good
The Vicious and Julia storyline also doesn't require as much production effort as most other storylines in the show. No space, no spaceship sets, less fight scenes, not a lot of tech that needs to be designed etc. So now we get the Vicious and Julia power hour because that's what's doable on a budget. Kinda makes you think they shouldn't really adapt stories they know they don't have the budget for, but what do I know.
The whole we don't want males to sexualize Faye so we're going to make her a lesbian part was some bullshit if I ever seen it.
As if males don't sexualize lesbians
Appreciate the fact that they weren't just trying to make a clone of the anime. I think that that is actually a fantastic idea. Where I struggle with the show is I feel like the people in production don't truly understand the anime in the first place. Every character seems kind of like a less stylized more pop culture version of themselves. Their actions feel hollow and their words feel like they are tape holding together bad writing. The original Bebop did have some scenes that occasionally felt like potholes, but they were very few things that actually ended up feeling like it wasn't done on purpose to illustrate a point. The live action feels like they are very often having the characters do or say things for basically no reason.
Yes, deserves to be put RRIIIIGGGHHHHTT on the fridge...
Looks like a porno parody to me
@@Dooger414 If there's one thing anyone should've learned from Cowboy Bebop, it's to not leave things in the fridge for way too long
They did cheap bait and switch in order to make the work cheaper and easier for themselves. Inserted this cringey crime drama because it is easier to shoot than *real* Cowboy Bebop stuff. Instead of varying locations, interesting characters and regular space battles they made this cliche shit about mafia guys sitting in a club, reusing the same cheap sets over and over. This is not space anti-opera, not cyberpunk, not sci-fi, not antiutopia, not musical, not a noir detective story. Not Cowboy Bebop at all.
And now enjoy viral effect of people getting rightfully angry.
Not complete copy but if you're gonna call it cowboy bebop.... Then it has to be cowboy bebop
The best way to write politics in a story is to make it genuine and not fake.
This
Yup that’s why the original bebop is so fuckingn good. It’s political messaging was natural and honest not forced pandering
And not FORCED
“People die when they are killed” I see what you did there shirou
Love the shout out to my MC!
Is so sad that people still look down on animation, the fact that any anime is being adapted into live action is sad, cause they're already loosing an integral part of what may made them special.
And I'm not against adaptations, but they have been aproched in the worst possible way. I still haven't watched the Rurouni Kenshin movies, and I understand why people liked Alita battle angel and I would like adaptations going that rout, is mostly animated after all (for me is a 5 or 6 out of 10). But I still haven't watched and anime adaptation where I feel I can say they finally nailed it, and why they should have to, when in animation is already nailed. I don't see a reason for an live action adaptation if they're not doing anything worth watching that the original already did or didn't did.
I say we do the opposite. Adapt live actions INTO animation more. Look, Star Wars: Visions was the best star wars content ive seen in a long while, and i think we should do more of that stuff. Mediums are very different in themselves, but animation can do alot more with less budget to create visions much less possible in a live shows.
You should check out the beginning and the final. As a fan of samurai X and someone who grew up with Ruroni Kenshin as a child i can say that the beggining and the final are not 10/10 movies but if you like the original show they are at least worth watching, the combat is decent and the story is passable.
i get your point and i do agre, i just want to add my pov regarding animation when it comes to anime shows that are adaptations of manga themselves. as an avid manga reader (and frankly someone who prefers reading it over watching anime) there have been several times when i was really disappointed in an anime adaptation due to the quality of animation and poor creative decisions made to cram story material into 12 - 25 episodes. anime adaptations themselves can sometimes butcher their own original manga material. so i do find myself sometimes fantasizing about what if someone who genuinely gets the og manga adapts it into live action instead of the messy anime that we got.
Imagine casting a black actor to play Jet, a character whose entire thing is his dissatisfaction with how corrupt the whole police system is, just to make him look like a fool to carry out the message of "Cops aren't _all_ bad! Just a few bad apples! The system works!"
And have it decried as woke.
And now imagine, if it was a white guy...
THIS.
Bruh you hit it right on the head
Having had a few weeks to digest it, I have realized why the remake of Bebop is so awful - People wanted *more* Bebop, not to revisit what we already had. THe original is still so good, that revisiting it is at beast, unnecessary, and at worst (what we actually got) disrespectful and disingenuous. People really were excited for what this show could be, including the fans, so to write it off as if there's no way fans of the anime could like it was kind of a short term play that was always going to backfire... And we can look to Final Fantasy 7 Remake for proof.
With FF7, the fans were pointing out almost immediately that it could stand for a remake. It came form the era where each release had a few bugs or issues - a stat doesn't work right or an item has a function that gets ignored, or something to that effect. ANd then you had FF8 and FF9 come out to show what the PS1 was really capable of and all the sudden, tiny chibi blobcloud and the rest of the play-doh brigade just look silly. Looking back, FF7 lived as much in your imagination as it did on screen. Oh sure, the low poly models were still leaps and bounds more capable of 3-D action than older models and sprites (especially in the FF franchise...) but when the PS2 rolled around it was time for a serious talk about how the game could use a new coat of paint like how the original FF got spiffed and shined for the PS1. In the meantime, the FF7 fandom got a movie, an OVA series, some mobile games, and two spinoff games to expand the lore and show that there was life in the franchise.
And now? EVen though they are changing the plotline a bit and adding more bosses and content.....There isn't nearly as much backlash compared to the embrace of the changes by the fandom. They got the movie, some spinoff games, and more.....And so when they remade the story proper, it was obvious that changes need to be made - support the side stories, fix the broken items and stats and cut out things that didn't work. Actually have facial animations! No more lego heads in cutscenes!
But Bebop never needed to be remade....it was pretty damn good as it was, and it wrote the book for many shows in the future to follow. What people wanted, was MORE. Don't reheat the leftovers, make new content - new bounties, new stories, new places. You can use the existing story as a springboard and build something new, rather than falling over yourself making changes to support other changes because you changed something that never needed to be remade.
Fuck, imagine other franchises modified by this group. "We loved the original Lord of the Rings trilogy, but Gollum doesn't work for modern audiences! So we made it so he gets the ring at the end of the first film, kicks Frodo off a fucking cliff and wishes that sauron would explode so we have him just vaporize POOF! Right in front of the fellowship of the ring! NOw we've got a REAL villain for the next film! Who's ready for the two towers? Spoiler alert - we condensed them down into one tower! We don't want fans thinking they know what's going to happen!"
yeah
Not sure about them nailing Big Shot, though. Weren't the two hosts totally in character every single time until the very end when they found out they were cancelled? Judy's break in character during the show, and Paunch's in the airport added to the disillusion of the dream that the Bebop crew was living in. But in the live action show they already started breaking character from the get go. :-/
one thing i disagreed with geoff on. 100% agree.
You can really feel the passion in the real cowboy bebop. Remakes and adaptions can never truly recapture that.
Also although I have a desire to see more of the cowboy bebop world, it ended when it should have. Better to end a masterpiece than to slowly fall apart
"And that's pretty much THE most libertarian anime this side of 'My wife is a highschool girl' "
Good thing I wasn't drinking anything while watching.
I was and the joke almost killed me!
God that joke made me laugh so hard.
My reaction can be summed up in one word: "Why?" It's just a high-budget cosplay fan film. It didn't make me angry like some people (aside from actually saying "What the fuck?" aloud at you-know-who at the end), I just fail to see why it was made in the first place.
It would be a fan film. If the creators were fans instead of greedy losers who can’t work a real job.
Why is anything being made now? Everyone's too afraid to risk it on their own original ideas, so it's safer to just recycle old stories to a new generation who hasn't seen it yet or won't because of dated visuals. That or making quick and crappy content so they can keep the license to exploit or sell later on.
Money is always the answer. And st*pidity. You can't forget that one.
Nothing is sacred. Eat your damn bell peppers and beef.
Pretty much my reaction to just about every remake of anything. You want to tell a new story in the *insert good show* universe here? Great! But television and movies are not like video games. Terminator 2 is still an incredible movie to this day, while video games of the time were simply incapable of the things they are now, both gameplay and narrative wise.
Games benefit from being remade, because they can objectively be improved with their new coat of paint. Or just because not everyone owns a functioning Super Nintendo or Playstation 2. But at sometime around the 80s, movies and television reached a certain level where you could make anything you wanted (besides pure spectacle) with enough of a budget. And pretty much every great film from before then has been made with that technology. So... yah. Remakes serve no purpose.
I would have been way happier with a show inspired by Bebop than a remake. Hell, Bebop is a show that is inspired but what came before it, and then goes its own way. Remaking it is missing the point entirely.
The amount of abuse being hurled at the 13 YEAR OLD CHILD playing Ed in their first acting role makes me angry and depressed. Like seriously, no TV show is worth straight up bullying people over
People out there bullying a child fr.
Geoff, I'm watching this two years later upload and I just want to say I really appreciate the commentary you give specifically in Session 4 of this video. You really have your finger on the pulse of current discourse, and your words remind us of what we could really look for in art. Thank you!
When I first heard about this my first thought was "Y tho?". My second thought was "Who asked for this?". Anyway, since I got your attention, don't let this bad Netflix live adaptation distract you from the fact that Cowboy Bebop the Movie is a Halloween movie.
I genuinely believe this could've worked well as a sci-fi show with inspiration from cowboy bebop. With cast that has John Cho playing a character similar to Spike Spiegel, Mustafa Shakir playing a character very similar to Jet Black and Daniela Pineda playing a character... who's also in the cast. But the problem is they called it Cowboy Bebop, they gave the characters the same names and often very similar designs to the original, which, naturally will cause comparisons. It's understandable to ask the audience to judge it as its own thing, but I also believe its a bit unfair to expect them to when you're doing an adaptation and market it as such. But asking the audience to judge it as its own thing when its not an adaptation is entirely reasonable and fair. But idk, maybe as a filmmaker nowadays you won't get the budget to do something original unless it springboards off of an existing popular IP.
'Firefly', and 'Dark Matter' are two "original" shows with enough similarities, and we see how far they made it. 'Andromeda' might be the longest running "rag-tag group of misfits band together as a dis/functional family to achieve goals but in space" as any of these. I think there is a reason these shows have trouble sticking around, and studios realize that, so they try and try to reboot things with previously-successful names attached ala 'Star Trek' and 'Battlestar Galactica', 'Lost in Space' and 'Cowboy Bepbop.' The next closest "original" show with any longevity like this currently is 'The Expanse' which it and I believe 'Dark Matter; are both adaptations from novels, and 'The Orville' which started as a parody, but eventually started taking itself too seriously. Some how we can't get good scifi to take off without attaching some other name to it... is that our fault as viewers for not giving new things a chance, or studios fault because new IP is hard, might as well just rehash and trade-in on already established IP? Probably a fair bit of both.
BTW, you forgot to include Killjoys; also scifi show about space bounty hunters.
Honestly what's the point of making an actual adaptation?
I'd rather watch something that is not a worse copy pasted. I went watching it as it's own thing and kinda hoped it would be different and.. it is
Let's not pretend anyone could make justice to the original. It's such a masterpiece, so yeah just being the same characters doing different things was just "more cowboy bebop" for me (not the cringe moments ofc)
Just watched Ganymede Elegy, and I love how Jet learns all the lessons Spike fails to.
No he doesn’t. That’s kinda the point.
The way I saw it with my friends: If you never watched the anime, they liked it. If they watched the anime, but didn't consider it the epitome anime of all time, they enjoy it but it had a few problems. If you loved the anime and its one of the best of all time, then you are NOT going to enjoy this anime.
Personally, I watched the series, and had fun with it. Nothing absurd, or something that wants me to watch it constantly and rewatch it again, but I will watch a second season.
I loved the anime and the show was fine. This is just a matter of people going into this wanting to hate it. If that's the goal, you can watch the 3 twitter viral clips of the show, pretend you've seen it, and hate it forever. Plenty of "real fans" did just that.
I love anime but consider cowboy bebop as one of the worst anime ever made (together with SAO etc). I watched Netflix bebop together with someone who considers Samurai Champloo as one of the best anime ever made(together with HxH, fate zero, etc) and Carole n Tuesday as one of the worst anime ever made. And we both like it. Sure it has some real weaknesses, and the show wouldnt get 8+/10 scoring from us, but if they make the second season, we will both watch it, though we know it will probably go downhill from here.
I fall into the second category - having only seen the first episode of this, that's spot on my reaction to it.
@@zUJ7EjVD in this case it actually does suck, but people 100% go into adaptations wanting to hate it lol
Watching this review, I was kind of surprised to hear Geoff refer to OG Cowboy Bebop future as dystopia, and toward the end, I think I realized why. I grew up in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The constant poverty, the corrupt law enforcement, the corrupt corporations, people dealing with governments screwing them up, the entire society reeling from a disaster... On some subconscious level, I just read it as "that's just the way life works." Come to think of it, maybe it was part of the appeal for me. It was like childhood, but with space exploration and more advance tech.
Love how despite the world and technology is futuristic, human behaviour never really change, always poor living on the streets, bars to drown your sorrows, more scumbag criminals high and low. Despite being able to fly anywhere in space, you'll just arrive at another human filled planet filled with the same people with the same problems, still earning money just to survive.
When I heard about this, I had a sense of cautious optimism that I never had hearing about other live action anime shows because it's one of the more grounded anime that could be realized. I really enjoyed the first couple of episodes, but changing Vicious from his namesake to a whiny wifebeater just shat on all my hopes. I never even got to Pierot Lefout and that's my favorite episode of the OG. I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up but dammit I wanted this to work...
Bebop was never quite my thing, I only ever found it good, not great. But it is wonderful seeing you talk so passionately about it and how the Netflix show fails to quite capture its magic
same!! I feel like I wanna watch bebop with his commentary after the episode is over haha and for each and every episode XD
Bebop is my mfking show man, shit is great
I saw Bepop for the first time recently, and was disappointed compared to the hype it gets. I did love the music and visual details, but the story was kind of meh for me. It's interesting to hear people who are so passionate about it discuss what they love though. After watching this review, I think I'll skip the Netflix version totally.
Same. I didn't like it either
I'm coming back to this video after your post on UA-cam recently, and I have to say that I've watched cowboy Bebop the first time I was a teenager. I was like I don't know 14 years old and I didn't get it the first time, but I watched it again and again and again and again and again and again over and over again. I'm 34 now and I've I've JUST BEGUN TO UNDERTAND and grasp all of the nuances. Such a rich story, and nuanced, and complex... That not for one second I thought the nextflix live action would do this MASTERPIECE justice. I still rewatch CB to this day and everytime I do it I lean and feel something different. I just can't even begin to discribe what this show made me feel.
Honestly I'm watching both for the first time and it's weird how the "Femme Fatale" anime Faye basically never succeeds at being a femme fatale. The only people who seem to fall for her horny tricks are irrelevant, unnamed chumps. She kinda feels like just an overconfident teenager who im surprised isn't already dead. Like Netflix Faye is kinda annoying but she is actually shown successfully femme fatale-ing her way into capturing a big criminal, even though that's not her go-to strategy.
The way I'd put it is that anime Faye feels like a teenager who likes shopping and bullying, and Netflix Faye feels like a teenager who plays sports and flames people on Call of Duty.
To me, there are two kinds of "woke". One is to _truly_ treat all people as equal, and to write stories _freely,_ but with _awareness_ of it all. The other is to give white knight special treatment to minorities, and to reduce female characters to "is female and pleases a popular cultural gender narrative" or cast blacks _just because_ they're black. One is _true_ tolerance, the other is differentiated bigotry through _excessive_ tolerance or pandering. *This adaptation is the latter.*
Also, despite how much the show tried at first to demonize Chalmers he's a good fuckin man overall and the Posies and the line of, "He's trying" hit me deep as a father in a co-parenting relationship with my ex. Hearing something like that while in Jet's position is very powerful. If Jet had actually heard that I feel like he would have gained massive respect for Chalmers despite their past.
Yeah I actually loved that stuff!
I agree with all of your points. What’s even more disappointing is that they have certain pieces in place for a great adaptation- for the most part the actors look the part (Mustafa Shakir absolutely nails Jet), the music, etc. But they’ve completely missed the entire point of the anime and have forsaken its soul. Not to mention, Vicious is such a massive letdown that he literally ruins the entire show just by himself (let alone Julia’s characterization).
Mustafa Shakir is the wrong skin color to nail Jet
@@spikejoestar3374 Mustafa Shakir sounds more like Jet than Jet does. And he's been played by black actors before, and people have been casting him as black for ages. It's not even a PC thing.
@@legoneb Jet was light skin in the anime. Mustafa is too dark skinned for the role
@@spikejoestar3374 hey, there is this new cool thing called "acting" check it out. Be passed about making the one chick a lesbian to appease all the lesbians if you are gonna complain
@@mwfmtnman are you ok with the redhead orphan Annie being changed into a black girl?
The sad part about their usage of Vicious is that one of his key tones in the anime is a twisted sense of justice, and the driving point for Spikethat lies under the surface of his character. Vicious is a shark under the calm surface of Spikes exterior and when news of him surfaces like a fin rising above the water it cuts through the calm. The demeanor that Spike holds is broken because of this because he desires revenge.Vicious is meant to be an ever lurking force in Spike that is rarely spoken of or seen. The acting and also putting Vicious in brighter environments, this created a goofy character that, instead of lurking in the shadows came as subtly as a sharknado.
I don't know what you all are talking about. The last scene with "Ed" is one of the most perfect pieces of meta genius I've seen in media history. I immediately relate to Spike lying on the ground as I feel like this show has beat something that I loved to death before my very eyes. Meanwhile I'm watching the machinations of their coup de grâce, one final character I thought had been spared; ruined with the only few moments of screen time remaining in the show. This is the dirt in the eye, the fuck you sign of our generation. It's over boys and girls, art has been supplanted.
It was trash. Period. Please understand that.
Goddamn, Geoff, this is some of the most engaging and well-put-together media criticism I've seen anywhere. Holy shit, dude; guess Bebop brings out the best in you :)
It's so sad to me that hating a project now has a mob of limp dick nerds ready to use that to harass any women connected to a project for months on end. I would one hundred percent rather they got another season just to see what they'd do than watch people lose their jobs and get hundreds of subtweets full of the kind of vitrol this really didn't deserve. Hopefully, they can find a new project and not be poisoned by misogynistic nerd rage bullshit.
The actor did Ed they have already fled from the internet. they had an instagram and other spaces, but all gone now.
Net-bop feels like the washed out, privileged liberal take, of Jazz.
A real "Bill Clinton on the Sax" if you will...
A very "La La Land" take on Jazz.
What really depresses me looking over the footage you show is that I can see a fun looking original sci-fi show buried under here. The spaceship sets, the CG, even the lighting and cinematography look pretty fun and creative. Maybe not super, ultra refined and competent, but swinging for the fences.
You take out the Bebop coat of paint and focus on making something half way original and fun, you could have the next Farscape on your hands.
Stellar video, I especially appreciated how you dealt with the culture war debate over the adaptation, because yes, regardless of how we feel about the term 'woke' the original show is extremely CONSCIOUS (as you said, nice pun btw) of how significant the profit motive is to dividing humanity.
12:19 The application of Red Eye in the Anime felt kinda gross and uncomfortable to watch (in a good way), while that just looks stupid.
19:13 I actually saw the writer responding to a clip of this scene to which she said “I wrote that line” to which I responded “and you’re proud of that?”
Cowboy bepop is art at its finest. This anime was light-years ahead of its time. The fluid fight scenes . The voice acting. And fucking edward !!! ❤ i mean how can u not love this show. I wish it was longer. But yea they botched it bad
I’d argue that it’s still ahead of its time.
edward was the part i hated the most about it.
tried to find out why it is so hyped, didn´t understand it, beyond the animation-style and world-building.
the story was never more than some very very clishe film-noir-tropes, monsters of the week, despite the wannabe-meaningful "oh, but i still cannot forget julia, and the syndicate, and that guy whose name is literaly vicious but he was at one time my friend, surprisingly he is evil, and we sometimes rund into each other and fight"-"plot".
edward always acted retarded, never understood whether she was supposed to be 13-ish or 8-ish and mentally challenged to some degree.
fey looked like a hooker and was egoistic all throughout the story, often sarcastic, at least she had that plot about her past that was ok, but lead nowhere,
jet was a good guy all throughout the show but his backstory was just a 0815 film-noir "my partner shot me in the back"-"plot" and his story also lead nowhere.
so while everyone seems to praise it for the characters, i could just tolerate them. it wasnt boring, sometimes interesting, but at no point in time did it make me feel anything.
that song that is being played while spike falls down through that church-window was good.
@@davejacob5208 So, here’s the problem most people have with the live action adaptation: there is a gradual evolution of your understanding of the situation. Ed is a delightful addition at a certain point in the anime that reestablishes your faith in humanity, in a way. I highly recommend you get through the first few episodes of the anime, I think you’ll understand why people were highly anticipating a live action Ed. I don’t think there was any hope that you could find an actress who could portray Ed correctly. In my mind I was thinking if you are going to put ad in live action Cowboy Bebop, then you might as well just go ahead and make her a CGI character, and no fault and very acceptable if the CGI still makes Ed look very cartoonish. Ed is more of an emotion in action than a realistic character. I was introduced to anime and the mid 90s, I developed my taste based on Tensi, the wanderers, Escaflowne, and vast variety of usually light ensemble cast with occasional dips into Pathos and drama. Cowboy bebop was like a slap in the face. At every moment I knew every character I was being introduced to did not have a good life. Even Ein. Even the side characters were expertly characterized. The bombs, the lifelong patrons of bars and Ramen shacks. It added levels of interest. OK, and then: the soundtrack. I have spent the last 24 years, making sure that I always had a copy of each of the three original soundtrack CDs released. I can’t live without them. Yoko Kanno is compositional genius, and she peppers her songs with Kanno speak, a fake language she invented and uses for lyrics. For example “green bird”. It sounds like a religious song that was written in the 1400s or 1500s and we imagine we’re listening to Latin or some old language. Nope, just Kanno, indulging herself by manipulating a fake language for perfect vocals on a classic composition that rivals the ancient classical composers. I did not even realize that she wasn’t just covering a 500 year old song. The back stories of the main characters in the anime are more realistic in their way. They should never have been represented as anything other than a woman who understands she needs to use her absolute sex appeal to get what she needs out of the world. Her backstory is absolutely understandable. Live action, and producers afraid of portraying a woman using her wiles to get what she wants diluted her character ridiculously. Spike Spiegel, Who tries to casually hide his anguish behind an ultra cool dismissive callous personality it’s a tragic character who tries to sublimate his betrayal by people whom he considered his closest friends is heartbreaking. Jet was accurately portrayed in both the anime and in the live action show. More or less. The best thing about the anime is that it gives us this backstory that is pretty horrific for everyone involved, but Salz the series with lighthearted episodes which reminds us that even when life seems untenable, it’s the people that we surround ourselves with that save the day emotionally, physically and existentially. You just can’t get that point across with the limitations of real people and real cameras and cheap sets in 10 episodes. And again I cannot stress how important it is that the soundtrack in the anime is used like a surgeon with the sharpest scalpel. Where are used to music and live action was just to drop it in wherever so it could do ill-advised fan service. I believe that if they were allowed the budget HBO Max might’ve given them, we might have an entirely different animal as a result. I don’t think you can do this in live action and I don’t mind Netflix. Just have a look at Arcane. A masterpiece of a story with Rich characterization that cost me to have investment in even the least character in the show. It’s based on a shitty, but very popular free to play game with a Spidey cannon and backstory for every character. I have to say I have never seen a more beautiful animation than this show Arcane.
If you hire and pay enough money to get good writers, you might have been able to make something good from cowboy bebop for a very limited live action season. They just didn’t adapt it correctly. And that’s the bottom line. You can throw as much money as you like or as little at set design and CGI and actor talent but if your story is weak and sloppily adapted, you Start on a bad footing. Once you slip you’re going down a steep slope and generally you cannot recover.
Ultimately, the Cowboy Bebop anime is a product of its time, a product of the right people in the right place at the right time, perfect selection of soundtrack composer, perfect Japanese voice casting and director. It is perfect as it is. Most of us just don’t understand why you would try to improve on something that needs no improvement.
@@work1284
i obviously watched the whole fucking anime.
wont read a text from someone who has not read my much shorter comment before.
bye.
@@davejacob5208
Well, you didn’t bother to read it, no surprise there. It is probably longer than your usual reading material. Nice casual use of the word “retarded” by the way. Buh-bye.
The best part of the remake was listening to the Japanese dub and wow, Koicihi Yamadera and Megumi 'Goddess of Voice Acting' Hayashibara are still amazing and make the American actors sound like cosplayers.
Not really a huge fan of the Japanese dub for Cowboy Bebop but yeah, it does sound better than the cosplayer one.
as usual bebop's dubs are (debatably) better than the show in the original language
The best part of the Live-Action Cowboy Bebop is that it made me realize that the original anime is on Netflix
This has to be the highest praise I've heard from mother's basement for a live action remake. And it's: decent
I called Alita "good," and I have recently come to understand that Speed Racer is a masterpiece.
Most frustrating part about the flashback episode is that it should have been #8 instead of #9. The revelation that Vicious is the son of an elder lacks any punch in the subplot to #8 and the scene of Vicious taking out the elders would have much greater impact if we'd seen the abusive relationship with his father before hand.
I think the remake is a good example of how a better show would have been made if they just made their own unique show. There's a lot of talent on display in most apsects of the production but the constant tight rope walking of adapting one of the most universally beloved shows of all time led to a lot of odd and offputting creative decisions. If Netflix just said "We're making space action dramedy inspired by Cowboy Bebop" I think they could have made an absolute banger.
I agree. It’s already been done once before. In my opinion, Firefly is a inspiration resulting from Whedon watching Bebop. So it’s not ridiculous to say “I loved this anime when I was younger and I’m going to make something similar. Because cowboys in space is a cool idea”.
Still can’t believe they went full on, “rawr! *GLOMP* X’D” for ed. In a world of Tiktok tweens & ‘raised on Twitch middle schoolers’ the writers really didn’t update her character the same way they updated the other 3. . .
18:20 i refuse to believe that's not just a phone upside down
did notice till you pointed it out lol
To be fair, I'd rather not waste hours of my life on something that I have a strong suspicion of not liking, only to reach the conclusion that I do not like it either because of my predetermined decision to not do so or reach that same conclusion even when approached with an open mind. I think you can go by a strong, first impression to decidedly not like something without experiencing it, and while that does remove much of the bite from the bark doing so in terms of an informed discussion, I can't actively blame someone for similarly not wanting to waste their time.
... unless of course I feel like hating myself and must feel like I can speak on some authority of just how awful something like Ero-Manga Sensei is, but that's a form of self loathing I would not encourage people to do
That being said, sincerely appreciate your review of this series. I can't say I'd personally be as optimistic as you are, preferring the end this series has earned, but it's nice to be a little bit more informed about the content. Not that I needed much information to avoid this series as I wasn't ever particularly excited about it, just wasn't a doom monger over it neither. A sort of "yep, most live action anime don't workout so well" mindset where I just didn't want to follow anything about it until its release. Might've watched it like Death note if it was a movie.
There's something to be said about the hate mongers too. Ain't hard making money on something topical. It's unfortunate that is easily rewarded, but the internet hasn't been much of a place for discussion as much as self affirmation for some time.
All the critiques in this video were valid, the good & the bad.
I went into the show expecting to not like it (Death Note was a tragedy of a movie, and that's where my head was at), I gave it a chance though, and after I stopped viewing it as "Cowboy Bebop" and started viewing it as a show *inspired by* Cowboy Bebop, I found myself having a decent time (the end was definitely rough though). BUT, there were about 3 episodes or so that actually shined, sucked me in and had me having a pretty good time.
I think that proves this show had potential, but now they'll never get the chance to refine what they had & tap into that potential.
But oh well. Nothing they can do now lol
More like Missed Opportunity.Would have been nice to:
1. Explore relationship between Vicious, Spike and Julia before their falling out.
2. Should have been a Noir style story with comedic undertones rather than this.
3. Yoko Kanno's amazing Music being tied to the story.
I kinda feel like they didn't really need to make Gren non-binary. It is implied that in the original series that he was gay, or at least asexual because he did tell Faye that a relationship with a woman wasn't his style. And it makes me sad because he wasn't trans either. He was tried as a spy and ended up in prison. He later got drugged in prison and ended up with the physical changes because the drugs messed up his hormones. He wasn't at all trans. He was shown in Jupiter jazz wearing male clothes, and presenting himself as a man because he was a man! While he did wear kinda effeminate clothes towards the end of the episode, it was only really bc he was trying to get revenge at vicious. For Pete's sake he even uses male pronouns! I really don't think they needed to "fix" Gren. *He was absolutely fine the way he was written*. Not to mention the shocking background of his time on Titan with Vicious, and how Gren believed that they were comrades only to be betrayed and tried as a spy. I feel like they really did do a disservice to Gren's character by "fixing" Gren and just making him non-binary, and kind of disregarding all he went through.
I don’t care about the change to Gren’s sexual identity. But they otherwise stripped Gren’s entire backstory and personality away to the point where it isn’t Gren anymore. They’re just the jazz bar lady’s sidekick now. I don’t care that Faye sleeps with women either, but it was jarring watching Netflix Faye be so dopey vs the more confident original Faye. The comedy subplot about her con artist mom was vastly inferior to the messed up tragedy in the original show. Honestly, I would have rather they merely gender swapped Whitney to a woman Faye’s age and kept that romance/betrayal in tact and left out the mechanic from the Brain Scratch adaptation
to add to this, to me it's really weird how over the years Gren (as in, the original Gren) has morphed into this "finally some delicious trans/enby rep" character, I mean babe sure is charming and I get the relatability/projection potential, but uuuuh going that interpretation route (which as you mentioned is not highly supported by canonical evidence) has some ouchy implications...
I also suppose the "gender-nonconforming [i.e., non-toxic masculine, well-groomed, openly empathetic] veering into genderfluid/agender [through medical malpractice], sexually ambiguous" vibes that Gren does 100% send off really stuck in the minds of Western audiences, plus this may be yet another attempt to make the character less controversial in an American Liberal way
@@_goopho true
Spent our honeymoon watching the OG anime after I overheard someone singing the praises of it VS the Netflix version. Beautiful show
I think it’s a good show. If you absolutely don’t compare it to the original in any way.
I think the thing that you pointed right at the end of chapter 4 about how, despite the changes, it feels like people working on the show have at least some appreciation for Bebop as a show is why I'm cautiously hopeful about the show and its future. I'm still working up to actually watching it but it's never felt like GITS or Dragonball or the other one we don't talk about. It might not be good but it feels like it's coming from a place of love, even if the shots comparing it to the original they posted on Twitter feel tone deaf as fuck.
The problem of these shows for me is that they're trying to fix something that isn't broken, or doing remakes that weren't asked for.
Well, they aren't really doing that...they are doing nothing more than trying to make money off of a fanbase that already exists. They are just cherry picking instead of producing their own originals. Its lazy and greedy which is exactly why they are never made well.
I never knew Carole & Tuesday was a canonical spinoff to Cowboy Bebop! LOVED that show. (I appreciate Cowboy Bebop, but didn’t love it.)
Hearing about this stuff makes me so happy I don't use social media
Who's here after this dumpster fire was cancelled????
amen
The worst part. the ABSOLUTE worst part is that this will hit the target demographic well enough. That target demographic is "that friend you tried to get into anime, and you talked about how good Cowboy Bebop is to them". The people that have vaguely heard of the work, but they never seen it, or really ever been enough into anime to bother. They will think "oh, live action, maybe I can get into that". And they do. And that brings us to the tragedy- you will NEVER be able to get them to understand how much better the original was.
They will filter it through THIS GARBAGE, and their lack of interest in anime will let them ignore the cinematography, sound design, etc. to the side while they only have I "oh, I guess that is what that scene came from. Ok, I guess". And that will be it. Their main reaction will be "why is [insert your name here] making me watch this? I already saw the other one." And they will, in their mind, label this, "the other one", as the "better" one.
You know this will happen. You've likely had this happen with your friend before. And you know it will kill you inside.
I know you hate me for writing this comment, for baring this truth to the world. But I need to to share in my pain, as I have come upon these truth while writing this. If we cannot share our joy with others because they can't understand, I will at least share my pain with those that understand.
Can I just point out that a friend's Sister got into Death note from the movie?
And she thinks the anime is better despite filtering in from it?
I think you're wrong. I'm just gonna say that.
Not really, I watched the Death Note movie first, then the anime. The anime was way better.
wow
Literally begging Netflix to stop adapting their own version of beloved anime/video games. Please. NOBODY wants that.
I love how everyone is blaming "wester sensibilities" on the terrible writing and YES those are tropes - but the GREATEST shows and movies do NOT play on these tropes - and if they do it tends to be some sort of remix or clap back.
Otherwise, when I questioned netbop after a few episodes this review legit helped me enjoy the rest of the series, skip ep 9 and anything with vicious, and enjoy it as "notbop"
Seems less like they play on western sensibilities than western STUDIO sensibilities. I guess when every person is trying to maximize profits and audience appeal you end up coming to the same conclusions and eventually the same kind of shows.
A spade is a spade is a spade. Don't call it a hammer, if you can only use it as a wrench. To do otherwise is to place undue responsibility on the audience. Sure, a volleyball game can be exciting, but you shouldn't call it the NBA Play-Offs
I watched Cowboy Bebop probably about 20 times since 1998. I watched this series for about.. one and a half episodes. I felt insulted. Nothing else to add.
The Netflix adaptation could have gone with an entire different story but seeing snippets of the original playing out in the background and probably would have been greeted better by og bebop fans while intriguing new fans to see the original
My first impression is that they made a very different show than I expected,but it could still be good in it's own way. I expected Sergio space poverty. They went with bright Schumacher space pop. I expected newbies or all screen veterans. They mixed that. I expected Snyder "this is so real yo" and they went,"this is so unreal". But the decisions do come from an understandable genesis. A living cartoon.
In fact, I liked it, it was a fun watching, and overanalyzing every aspect can make Lynch look bad (it has been done) so yeah I know, anime is better, tho this show got too much shit for how good/bad is.
I mean here in yt people watch shitty anime and call it anime of the season without all this shitstorms
Geoff: "let's not pretend it's the first time you've seen that clip (9:00)
Me (seeing it for the first time): Oh dear lord.
As soon as you said Ana’s was a jazz club I loudly said to myself, “what is this Gotham?” Then saw you made the exact point 😂😂
Side note: I really love Gotham though, I think it’s a great TV show and I’m the biggest Batman fan I know.
As a correction, Gren's actor *was* referring to correcting the issues of Cowboy Bebop. Quote below:
"We wanted to make sure that it was an opportunity to right some of the uncomfortable wrongs of a film like The Crying Game that Gren's entire track is sort of based on. And then, plus, righting some of the issues in the anime."
Also from the second paragraph of the article:
However, certain trans tropes were also intertwined with Gren's arc, making them a pivotal, yet still somewhat problematic icon for queer fans watching back home.
As someone who "actually read that one interview", you skipped the literal next sentence that says they *were* referring to Cowboy Bebop.
apparently he didn't read the interview- and he still had the balls to throw shade on itsagundum
@@craigime is it really balls when he's too scared to even say his name and only fade in an image of him?
Martial Artists should always make sure they don't lose their Yuria to other martial artists.
My late 60s parents accidentally watched the first episode of this show and stopped watching it in anger because they felt they were tricked into thinking the show was about a Corgi.
Not enough corgi is perhaps my favorite complaint about any show to ever happen.
that has to be one of the most genuinely adorable things that I have ever heard
The most wholesome negative review
Well that's valid. Give them Chi's Sweet Home.
they're pretty smart id put on the anime for them thats what i did for my mom she was confused about it until i put on the anime. luckily she understood what was better
I believe giving Jet Black a family/daughter actually worsens his character a bit because in the original it feels like he is taking on a paternal role to the crew because he has no outlet for this elsewhere. Giving him a daughter to focus on actually takes away from that unique dynamic.
His actor was also too young while spikes was too old, so they ended up being around same age.
It’s also pointless and only drags out the already long 40 minute time count
The subtext of the anime is that all four characters have been set adrift from all the human relationships they used to know, and can now only find it in each other, dysfunctional and mildly toxic as that might be.
Giving Jet a daughter not only ruins the powerful unspoken theme running through the team dynamic, it doesn't add anything to his character.
Imo she was just an addition, not a replacement. If there's any lack of the feeling you're talking about then I think that's more to do with the story being told than the daughter characters inclusion.
Basically, if there's a problem then it's with THAT first and additional characters second.
Him having a kid really throws it off for me too, like if he has a kid that he cares that much for and just wants to use the money to buy presents and be there for her then why would he be a bounty hunter? Why wouldn't he just get an office job that has steady pay and lets him stay near his daughter so he can always be there for her.
Dude, I don't actively hate the live action adaptation like some fans do, but seeing clips from the anime after clips from flixbop is like filling your lungs with fresh air when you didn't even realize you were holding your breath.
The original really is just as close to a perfect piece of visual media and storytelling as human hands can create.
I see what you mean there. Defintely in more aspects than others. Being someone that is all for seeing different takes on things I fully enjoyed pretty much every aspect of the show. Save for Vicious... That was just... Overtly saddening. Lol But from Ana, Gren, Julia, and the main cast, I super enjoyed the new takes and future setups for the whole show.
It is my favorite anime of all time. I enjoy most aspects of the live action version. Except what they did to my baby Ed. Vicious and Julia were a little butchered too but I could handle that. But what they did to my baby Ed broke my heart.
Otherwise I enjoyed the show!!
If people are holding their expectations of the live action up to the Anime then of course they will be disappointed… they're looking through the eyes of Nostalgia and they need to just enjoy it for what it is, and that's "Based on the anime" instead of comparing it to the anime as if its supposed to be a live action copy.
I thought it was okay or meh but man it could have work out of the writing was better and the character was better written spike and fade are a downgrade to their anime version the only character I thought was decently written was jet
It is not bad by Netflix standards, the main chars are well cast at least, despite made different. But relative to the original, quite bad and disrespectful. And 30% dedicated to Vicious is horrible.
Or, say, Gren. He is totally okay as a goofy support character if you forget that he is replacing a serious character who had his own 2 episodes.
Recycled and bastardized the original to please those who never watched it. And, the fans of the original, we are supposed to be happy that some of the good parts have survived the rape.
This adaptation’s existence is what drove me, a part of the algorithm generation, to actually watch the original show and discover it’s jaw dropping beauty. If nothing else I am thankful for that.
At least this adaptation meant Netflix also got to stream the original anime so silver linings and all that
Same here. I never would've watched the show if it wasn't for seeing clips of it being compared to scenes from the Netflix adaptation, which showed me everything I was missing out on in the original.
Blessings upon this journey.
Same here and I can’t wait to review it on my Instagram account too
then again which brought more fans to berserk? the 97 anime or the one that shall not be named?
There is only one point in this analysis that I would say you are completely wrong. 7:53
As someone who has owned a corgi for over a decade now, I can assure you that Ein does NOTHING in the anime that I have not seen my corg do in real life. Including the weird hopping thing. ESPECIALLY the weird hopping thing.
Clearly I need a more comprehensive corgi education
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I was hoping someone would point that out, I truly believe that when they did that scene in "Mushroom Samba" that someone had a pet Corgi and saw it jumping around like that and they used it in the show because it is so true!! Corgis really do weird stuff like that ;)
Damn gotta go look up corgi hopping videos now
@@mothersbasement They really are little weirdos. Mine does this stuff all the time too, hahah
I just feel bad that John Cho moved his whole family to New Zealand because he planned on this being a multi-season Netflix show. He was pretty dedicated.
Oof lmao
Damn.
New Zealand is a beautiful place to live. I would look at the glass half full and say that it gave him an excuse to move there. He could've moved to somewhere like Ethiopia, for which pity would be well deserved.
@@nannerrammeri work with a guy who is from Ethiopia. It has a beautiful country side and is not portrayed as american media chaulks it up to be
I feel worse for the regular New Zealanders working on the show. Lighting and everything else, your regular crew who lost a years long gig because of the completely talentless hacks in charge of the show. Though also feel a bit bad for John Cho because he seemed to be the only one who genuinely cared about making something for the fans.
Netflix: We have to tone down Faye’s sexuality so she can be taken more seriously.
Also Netflix: Gives her a sex scene.............just because, I guess?
lol right
Well, you see, Game of Thrones has set this precedent that "serious television" must have sex scenes to be Really Serious.
There IS an argument to be made about “objectification vs sexuality” in the instance of whether a person is in control of their presence sexually or not.. but adding a sex scene to an adaptation without any need for it isn’t.. really doing that? I’m sure the creators had that in mind, but instead it gives off the impression that “Wearing sexual clothing makes you unable to be taken seriously(which obviously they didn’t mean, don’t think I actually accuse them of this) but being sexual for another person’s benefit is a-ok.(WHICH IT IS, DONT GET ME WRONG!!! but to say it’s the only scenario that is strikes me as a little cringe)”
No hate at all to anyone involved though. Do not care enough about live action adaptations to shit on the creators.
Like Jasmine from Aladdin reboot
It's so stupid rip. They want her to be "empowering" when having sexuality can be empowering when you're in control of it. Netflix is stupid.