Every aspect of the ultimatum and the White Gold Concordat was designed for the future. The treaty was specifically designed to weaken the empire for an eventual future conquest.
Yup that’s true. Ceding of Hammerfell would provide a staging area for the invasion. Disbanding the Blades rids the empire of her elite warriors. Banning of Talos worship was a twofer, on the one hand you separate the people from the principles of the founder they are less likely to support the nation in the second war. A brilliant strategy. On the other, they knew that Skyrim would fracture as that was the center of Talos worship. They then orchestrated the Stormcloak rebellion. This would cut down the Nords’ numbers and prevent them fighting for the Empire. Also, the economic recovery in Skyrim would take decades, making for an easy invasion, even with the Dragonborn aiding the victorious side.
@Char Aznable I have one question Is there any sort of indication that the provinces of Valenwood and Elyswer have active resistance against the dominion? That part about elven superiority over the lower races would sit too well with other beast races as well not just men And one more thing would men always have the advantage of numbers over elves?
@Char Aznable well... comparing to the politics of our world. What could be a better thing to make someone join you than being threatened by someone else? Usa finances both governments and rebels to keep both in check in 3rd world countries
@@elderliddle2733 Yea, but the Dragonborn kinda fucked that plan apart several times over. The Thalmor are fucked now. The civil war in Skyrim was suppose to last several years with no clear victor as the Thalmors desired goal, but instead the Dragonborn ended it in about 4 seconds and kept Skyrim in the empire and kept the empire strong. The Dragonborn also slaughtered hundreds upon hundreds of Thalmor agents in Skyrim. And then finally, the Dragonborn saved all of Nirn from Alduin the world eater and destroyer (Akatosh/Auri-El's first born), which essentially made him viewed as Shor/Talos 2.0 by all of the Nords and many of the other races of Tamriel as well, which would've just furthered the support for Talos worship by men. Shor and Akatosh sent the Dragonborn down for a reason. Primarily to defeat Alduin and save Nirn, but secondarily to annihilate the Thalmor and restore the empire of men. The Thalmor will be fucked going forward, and the protagonist of Elder Scrolls 6 (most likely a legendary Red Guard Sword Singer Shezzarine we all can assume) will finish the job that the Dragonborn started.
@@GutstheBlackSwordsmen Well, its pretty well known that the Thalmor were actually the ones behind the 2 moons crisis all along, and simply pretended to be the saviors and fixers of that situation in order to win the Khajiit to their side. You can safely assume that when it is eventually brought to the kingdom of Elswyr and all of the Khajiit of Tamriel's attention that the Thalmor were actually responsible for the moons disappearances and the perpetrators of the deaths of all those millions of Khajiit children, the Khajiit are probably going to respond incredibly violently and kill many high elves and Thalmor and no longer be affiliated with the Aldmeri Dominion haha.
@@Knight-PaladinEleanor Tamriel is basically like Pangea, the other islands/continents are pretty much baren wastelands, so technically it would be a world war
6 really needs to have imperial generals and councilmen who aren’t afraid to admit that the thalmor really did puppet the empire for so long like we did with tullias and rikke and balgruf. It was something I sincerely enjoyed to see that even some of the most devout people were genuinely angry at the thalmor for treating something they cared about like trash. It’s honestly something I enjoyed immensely
I honestly think that out of all the Yarld Balgruf is best fit for being the high king, just playing the games and listening to the lord I know he cares most and his hold, the safety of his citizens as well as having a good relationship with the people of Whiterun! From what I've seen is that he's not corruptible, and stands strong to protect them, with no hesitation even if it means he dies. Or the Dragonborns children be in some kind of power
@@thalmoragent9344 During the "Ebony Blade" quest there are a few quotes that make Balgruuf seem less of a hero. But I know about him. And about the war. More than he might think. I know that he still worships Talos. That he hates the Thalmor almost as much as the Stormcloaks do. That he worries about being chased from Whiterun. That he... that I'm... that I don't have the same mother as my brother and sister." Minus that part about hating the Thalmor. Beating up nazi Elves is based.
@@cassi5420 Not at all lol. You realize Skyrim is one of the best selling games of all time? Everyone whos going to play ES6 will have at least heard of Skyrim. Besides, a “Great War” is a pretty big pull-factor, even if they’re “new players”.
I would be more worried at how "great" the war would be. Skyrim's "great" rebellion amounted to like 3 fights with about 20 npcs and a few dungeons with spooky skeletons. If they go with it I hope they make the combat and strife a little more grandiose.
@@cassi5420 Skyrim was also released 10 years ago when RPGs weren't mainstream. that's not the case anymore. they can do whatever they want and they'll still get millions of players
@@haloninjax542 with ms backing them, they don't have the excuse of lack resources. Plus skyrim was made aa decade ago (will be even older come es6) for the ps3, es6 will be for the ps5 so there really is no reason why (at least scale wise) it can't be epic... I hope.
I know Oblivion and Skyrim had some very existential threats(the invasion from hell and the end of times), but I think it would be nice if the Main Storyline for TES 6 was about the next great war between the races of man and mer. Sort of like taking the Civil War questline from Skyrim and cranking it up a few notches. Your race could change which side's jail you start in but as you progress you can choose either side regardless.
I agree that the main plot of Elder Scrolls VI shouldn't be another world-ending threat and should instead focus on the second war between the Empire and Thalmor.
Just imagine the Dragonborn partaking in this 2nd Great War: calling mighty dragons upon the battlefield to tear and burn the enemy lines asunder, shouting down entire regiments with the Thu'um, and using all his followers, magic and deadly weapons to cut a path through the Dominion legions ( or the Empires, depending on your character), only to die from an arrow to the goddamn knee
@@str33t3r Not really as Mankar Camoran proves you don't need a direct line from Alessia to get the dragonborn blessing. Plus a lifetime of Nords giving him shit for being a knife-ear until he can shout can make someone bitter. Might just side with the Empire add insult to injury. A knife ear dragonborn siding with the Empire? Humiliating.
And somehow this won't be the focus of TES VI. Just wait. You'll probably be reforming the Ansei to take down something that isn't the Dominion, and all we'll get is mentions of the 2nd war burning up in Cyrodill
That opening... it's so frikken immersive. I felt like I was there, staring at that cart. I could almost smell it that is some god damn talent right there
totally with you dude! i was completely drawn in and both surprised and disappointed when this video ended. and Drew was like "if you got this far, thanks so much for watching." and i was like "no dude, thank you!".
@@davidperkins6752 exactly lol, like bruh with these guys narration it's so easy to get immersed into the video. It's hard not to listen through an entire playlist without stopping
@@mcgoldenblade4765 drew is good for relaxing and Scotty is good for talking about something your passionate about cause you can always hear passion in his voice
That isn't entirely true. The races of Men have a much faster reproductive cycle than Elves, and as such can replenish their lands and forces much faster over the same period of time. Possibly this is one reason why the Thalmor are pressing so hard on the internal division angle; in 30 years you end up with a whole new generation of adult Men and likely a new one in the making, but the same can't be said for the Altmer. Each Elven soldier lost means more to them in the long run than each dead Man and they know it.
@Cactus Juice one of the big points is the Civil War and the College of Winterhold. Since the whole power cosmic and world breaking is the Thalmor's M.O.
@@spaceonisorceress4406 Wood elves breed like rabbits tho. Probably one of the reasons the Thalmor wanted Valenwood in the first place. Horny, hungry, cannibalistic archers that can invoke a shape shifting power that turns them into man eating monsters, and they reproduce as fast as humans? Yeah, by all accounts the Thalmor should win, however the humans have the greatest fantasy power of all time, *PLOT ARMOR*
My hope for freedom from the elves lies in the floridian swamps of Tamriel, and their viscious, scaly inhabitants: The Argonians of Blackmarsh. They united their tribes in a very short period of time and not only successfully repelled the forces of oblivion, but _successfully began invading the depths of hell,_ during the oblivion crisis, forcing the daedra to close the portal from their side. As soon as the aldmeri dominion sets their eye of conquest on blackmarsh, their fate is sealed within the jaws of lizardmen, and under the roots of the hist trees.
I have this weird feeling that if you're Shezzarine in ES6, we can see something like the High Justiciar (or whoever the leader of the Thalmor is) trying to mantle Auri-El by capturing the Shezzarine and trying to recreate the Convention at Ada-Mantia or something, resulting in the fall of the Tower. That's if there's any credence to the tower theory in the first place
Just imagine this. For a brief few moments the tower is actually deactivated and creation becomes unstable. The Kalpers begin to fold on top of one another and when you look out from the top of the tower back at the shore you can just about make out pre-war New York fazing in and out of existence.
@@smitefulaxe1344 No. In Morowind you're the Nerevarine, the reincarnation of Nerevar. In Oblivion you mantle Sheogorath, and I feel like that wouldn't make sense if you were already a reincarnated god. Skyrim is the only game where there's a genuine case to be made for you being Shezzarine, because Shor's throne is empty when you arrive, and you can sit in it. In all the past games, you are not allowed to sit on a God's throne; it physically won't allow it. But in Oblivion you can finally sit on Sheo's throne once you become He. Implying the Last Dragonborn was already Shor all along.
As a long-standing Imperial Boi, I am a bit nervous as the outcome of the 2nd great war. Tamriel under the thalmor would be a pretty grim place. I dig the cosmopolitan vibes they hate so much
I think that the Empire would win. The Imperials, as humans with greater fertility than high elves, would be able to replace their losses faster than the Dominion, and since the Empire is larger than the Dominion, they have more resources to rebuild their military as well. In addition, it seems that the Empire might have refitted it’s military to be better suited to fighting magic-using elves. From old helmets and evidence that Great War Legionaries were trained in the heavy armor skill, it seems that the Great War Legions were heavy infantry trained to use heavy armor and engage in melee combat. However, the new legion is equipped with light armor for better mobility (which given that armor is useless again magic is better than more physically protective heavy armor) and their best, most expensive weapon isn’t a melee weapon, but their bows (which against magic, a good bow is the best equalizer a soldier could be equipped with to take down the magic user before they can get into spell range). Just looking at the situation, it seems that the Imperials have used the time granted to them by signing the W-GC wisely.
@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 don’t forget that the dominion fought the redguards for an extra 5 years, further diminishing there numbers and given the empire a head start in recovering.
@@fieldrook1613 Good point and I agree. Honestly, we have no evidence that the Dominion has recovered that much at all. As far as we know, all that Thalmor bluster could be them trying to bluff their way through having an empty hand of cards. For instance, despite the Dominion being thought to have the best navy, the only real warship you see in the game is the Emperor’s ship the Katariah - an Imperial ship. The only known Dominion ship we ever see is Ancarion’s ship in Solstheim, which looks like it could have been a Nord vessel that the Thalmor bought or stole from a Nord fisherman- maybe it was because they were on a stealth mission, though if that were the case, why is Ancarion not wearing something less “Thalmorish” (he might as well just shout “We’re the Thalmor” at the top of his lungs). While the Dominion could have recovered and have a strong navy and army again, we have absolutely no evidence of that, and it seems equally probable that their army is still weak from being annihilated at the battle of the Imperial City and most of their navy is still at the bottom of Lake Rumare. Who knows?
@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 That seems like a bit of a stretch. We wouldn't see any evidence of the Dominion's recovery because their presence in Skyrim is superficial at best. They operate a small and scattered force of inquisitors, but there is no Dominion army or navy anywhere near Skyrim. Of course there isn't, it isn't their territory nor does is border their territory. It would be a woeful overextension to commit to Skyrim in any meaningful way militarily. "For instance, despite the Dominion being thought to have the best navy, the only real warship you see in the game is the Emperor’s ship the Katariah" I mean, we don't really see ships at all to be fair. We see a few flat pieces of wood with a mast that are somehow labelled as ships, and the Red Wave. But, remember, cities like Dawnstar are supposedly 'thriving port towns'. The answer to this riddle is game limitations. Bethesda didn't want to and/or couldn't add moving ships to the sea. Also, why would we see Dominion navy, even if it was within the engine's scope? Why would they sail a warfleet to the Sea of Ghosts? They're probably maintaining some sort of naval hegemony in the southern seas, preparing to institute a renewed blockade at the outbreak of war. They can't just send huge divisions on wintry vacations to a sea so inhospitable some of it is literally frozen shut. "The only known Dominion ship we ever see is Ancarion’s ship in Solstheim, which looks like it could have been a Nord vessel that the Thalmor bought or stole from a Nord fisherman" This is just Bethesda being lazy. Why would they create a whole new boat model for an obscure side quest in a DLC? It's not practical when you're on both a timing and fiscal budget. Hope this didn't come off as combative, I just don't think it's fair to assert that the Dominion is toothless just because we don't see evidence of their might in Skyrim.
This is an interesting theory. Makes me think that Elder Scrolls 6 will be around Hammerfell and High Rock and the Iliac Bay and the Thalmor will again be around but it will be a more villainous role than they were in Skyrim
Drew has the best voice of all 3... I literally have a playlist of his videos to fall asleep to. His voice is so soothing, and he's so knowledgeable of the series.
“I’ve heard rumours that Akivari is making preparations to invade us again. They are apparently only waiting for the Empire to collapse in Civil War or some other crisis. We’d certainly need a Hortator then - if we had one, maybe they could travel to Akaviri before the invasion and weaken or stop it." -Lloros Sarano in Morrowind
(Pre-watch) If I were the Emperor, the first thing I'd do is try and make amends with Hammerfell, Morrowind, and Black Marsh, then start the second war the same way they started the first: By dumping the severed heads of every Thalmor agent in the Empire onto the doorstep of Alinor.
It would take a lot to amend with Hammerfell since it was the Empire who renounced them as a province. The Empire gave large part of southern Hammerfell to the Aldmeri, which enraged the redguards and initiated their own war. In response, the Empire renounced Hammerfell as a province.
It might be difficult to do that. The Emperor has eyes and ears on him EVERYWHERE in the Imperial City. The Thalmor would instantly know if you're planning any of that and spend time preparing, possibly even assassinate you.
The scenery and architecture that Bethesda has created for Tamriel has definitely given me inspiration for building a home if I ever win the lottery. The stone work of the buildings is magnificent. Particularly the flow of water through some of the holds and castles.
@@borrburison648 I'm happy to find a fellow Thalmor ! We're a rare bunch it seems. I'm also an Altmer (2m25) mostly mage (I have a mod that allow to have enchantement to increase destruction strength so it's now the equal as daggers and bows) and mostly wearing Justiciar robes or Thalmor Peackeeper light armor (Arma Thalmoris mod). I also have Ancano as a follower (Ancano reborn). We have a number of good mods nowadays for Thalmor roleplay thankfully !
One fun idea for ES6 could be set in a future where the Almeri Dominion has won, and you have to be a pivotal part of the resistance breaking their hold on Tameriel before they do something even more monstrous than usual, like destroy the towers if your theory is true
@@thalmoragent9344 yet the empire sits at its lowest, they could either kill it or give it a legendary redemption arc, im leaning more into the second option i picture a new emperor bringing the empire back stronger than ever
@@gastysica6120 A legendary Redemption Arc? I mean, I'm hoping the story doesn't go down such a cliché route. I mean, it would be far more interesting and shove some good nuance into the story if we actually has a less predictable outcome. I mean, everyone and their grandma thinks the Empire is going to win, despite the in Lore explanations about how; The Empire was on its last legs, since most of its Legions were at least half decimated, how they had to tap into reserves. How Hammerfell is being independent and hell, they may have their own Civil War between Crowns and Forebarers as they often do, and not to mention the historic rivalry between Redguards and Bretons, and since they're not all together under the Empire, Hammerfell can now attack and wage war with them if they so chose without Imperial repercussions within How Morrowind and Blackmarsh have their own problems and won't be aiding the Empire anytime soon, and Skyrim is in open rebellion via Civil War... I mean, do you have any idea what it would take to mend all of this? What's the Dominion going through? A few cullings in Valenwood? A situation that can't last forever since they're bound to kill off any main dissenters after some time, Elswyr which is totally fine, Summerset is also stable... I mean, even if we take into account that some within the Dominion don't agree with the Thalmor's actions, many of them still don't like the Empire either, and anti-Empire Propaganda is likely heavy. So when we factor the Dominion's potential problems to the Empire's... unless Bethesda pulls some BS Plot Armor/Device out from their asses, the Empire being victorious isn't likely. If they miraculously hold out, sure, but outright win? Nah.
@@thalmoragent9344 did you forget about the Septim who went to Akavirr? He or his offspring may come back with a powerful force and revive and rebuild the empire.
In my honest opinion, I hope the narrators and this channel continue, and keep on prospering! I love your videos and I'm always amazed at how much you guys can understand the lore of skyrim and then spin it to use in such an awesome way, making it so magical and fascinating! Like another comment said, you guys should start doing audio stuff! ❤
I’m so glad you uploaded this video because literally just yesterday I started thinking about the next Great War bc it’s been months since I actually had the elder scrolls cross my mind and this topic is extremely interesting
Since so much of the political environment surrounding the first Great War, and seemingly the same thing going for the Second Great War, are influenced by the real events of the First and Second World War, I wonder how much of the real events will they incorporate in the story. Will the Aldmeri Dominion steamroll through the Empire like Germany did in Europe? Will the Empire fall after the war ends like the old Colonial Empires did in our world? Will there be a nuke to finish the war? This one makes me the most curios right now. Since the TES version of events is not 1:1 with the real events, maybe the Thalmor will use their nuke first. Where will they use it though? Some big city in Hammerfell or High Rock since the game will most probably take place in that part of Nirn? Or maybe on the Imperial City to finally finish off the Empire? Perhaps on the Adamantine Tower itself. Or maybe the Empire's Alliance (because I believe that Hammerfell and a potentially independent Skyrim will join the Empire in alliance against the elves no mather what) will develop their nuke and drop it somewhere on the Summerset Isles. These are all wild speculations but speculations like these keep me stoked for how the story will really turn out
I feel like the Thalmor's arrogance will eventually be their downfall in the same way it was for the Dwemer They messed with things they weren't supposed to and their poor treatment of other races earned them a lot of enemies, even from other Mer (elves)
I wonder, if the next mainly ES games story focuses on a 2nd great war, could one part of it's story give you the option of weakening the thalmor via making their allies turn on them using their arrogance?
Nothing takes off the stress of a work week quite like this. Hearing those amazing strings, taking in the view, it really sets the vibe of the whole day. Edit: Not to mention the amazing story telling setting up the scenario, I love FudgeMuppet!
Seeing as how the TES 6 is rumored to take place around the Highrock - Hammerfell area, I wouldn’t be surprised if a second Great War would be a part of the game’s major plot. I’m still holding out for the return of the dwemer as a future game’s plot
It would be cool if there was this secret cave in ES6 where there is a dragon that survived the dragon crisis and he gives you a quest or something. Not sure what the quest would be but that would be sick
@@JoacoG11 Yes but since there's probably gonna be a time skip and there could be som friendly dragon come up with a shout that makes teaching mortals shouts easier. Or that thing from ESO as I heard there was some item that gave you dragon shouts.
Dang, what a narration, had me hooked with my mouth open in awe just from being able to imagine all these things happening in my head. Felt like it was a documentary from a war that happened in real life
Ah, so Aldmeris doesn't refer to an actual landmass, but rather the ancient unity of purpose and culture that once made all elves a singular people. In other words, Aldmeris was the original 'story' of the elves, before each faction split from the whole to tell new stories and become different.
Canonically it is, because not all of MKs writings after he left are strictly canon but a commonly accepted belief is that Aldmeris is just a memory of elven unity
Considering that culture on Summerset Isles, and more so under Thalmor rule tend to eject anyone that doesn't fit their narrow mold for acceptable keeping the elves together will not he easy.
OK, but hear me out: the Bretons and Redguards ARE going to team up when the Thalmor invade. We're going to get a limited exploration of High Rock in this at least.
@@aaronbosen6743 Yeah? And Redguard was set in Hammerfell, we're still fairly likely to be set there. I think we shouldn't be too bothered by pre-Morrowind Elder Scrolls settings being reused. We have much better technology now so seeing it would still be like a brand new land.
I think high rock wont help hammerfell, due to there might be kingdoms fighting for their own things for the thalmor or others. So they're too corrupt and divided to really give ny meaningfull aid to hammerfell or even themselves
@@jackakakreanxx5587 They tend to rally together in times of crisis throughout their history. Also all the good content of having to put squabbles to rest for the player is tempting plot/gameplay padding.
Dropped out of tes for a bit as I do now and again, but everytime I come back I have a plethora of vids from you guys. I love how TES is just so huge, and I also admire how you guys stay interested and invested. Cheers!
@@the_corvid97 one of the septim family went across the sea to another continent, I forget it's name, but it's rumoured that he may have survived there. It comes from one of the books, I also forget it's name though, sorry I'm not to helpful here.
@@austinneece7853 Could you be thinking of the Emperor who invaded Akavir? My understanding is that he died, which is recorded in the in-game book "Report:Disaster at Ionith"
The Great War PT.2 will probably be used to balkanize the setting-that process has already begun. A fractured setting with tons of conflict is more exciting and gives TES writers a lot more to work with.
I agree. We've had a unified Empire since the first game, it would be interesting to see more factions rising to Power, even if they're evil (like the Thalmor)
It doesn't really fit the structure of an elder scrolls game, but a massive siege defensive of the Imperial City, followed by an amphibious invasion of the Summerset Isles would be incredible.
A marine invasion of Summerset would fail spectacularly since the High Elves have always had the most powerful navy in Tamriel, The only reason Tiber Septim could even attack Alinor is because he had the Numidium as a gift from the Tribunal (because they were cowards).
and I wonder if in another timeline, the empire allies with the sea elves to conquer the summerset isles and what it's rammifications will be. Maybe there will be a cold war of sorts with former allies now bitter enemies
@@jackakakreanxx5587 Yes but surely they had to be wise enough to know that they were sending their, sort of, brethren the High Elves a ticking time bomb. It was essentially like handing your enemy a nuke so that they wouldn't conquer you only for that enemy to use said nuke on another group which shares history and racial ties to you. It was betrayal and if you don't feel comfortable with that word, then surely they were still responsible for the deaths and destruction of High Elven ancient buildings and people. Vivec can get wrecked for doing that, Sotha Sil would never have done that. Seht was always the coolest and most "down to Earth" of the three ironically and also the closest to the High Elves considering he was a member of the Psjics technically.
@@wowomah6194 well at the time it was a nuke with no uranium and since the uranium in this analogy wouldve been lorkhans heart if neither the tribunal nor the empire had access to the heart and the mechanical heart that sotha sil created was completed well after the tribunal were just a big chunk of morrowinds history, if sotha sil with his vast knowledge took So long to create a replacement heart what would make you think that a race of conquering imbeciles compared to the elves would make their own heart of lorkhan well before they would
I have a feeling the protagonist will probably be a legendary Sword-Singer, and for the first half of the game in ES6, they will be obliterating the Thalmor and unifying Hammerfell and bringing it back into the re-united empire in Great War 2. In the 2nd half of the main story ark, the story will take a sharp twist and turn. Something along the lines of a massive Akaviri invasion will occur all across Tamriel, or possibly even the Dwemer return and now seek to genocide every race on Tamriel, or one of the more evil inclined Daedra Lords who hasn't really been touched upon much yet and not utilized in a main story ark villain capacity yet (Jyggalagg, Boethiah, Vaermina, Mephala, Malacath, Peryite, etc) etc, will do something to threaten all of Nirn, which will bring the Aldmeri Dominion back to reality and give all of the races and provinces of Tamriel a common enemy to unite against. We shall see. I hope it comes out sooner rather than later 😬.
To be fair, even before the Great War, the Empire was in no position to protect itself much at all. The Dominion was like, half the size of the Empire, but still kicked its shit in. The Dominion on the defense is alright, but either way, would require all the races to unite if Akavir attacks.
How in character would it be if Bethesda chose not to follow any of the story threads set up in Skyrim and did something completely unrelated while also continuing to simplifyi magic, do nothing to improve melee combat, and pull a fallout 4 with the protagonist and settlement system. Am I too pessimistic? I hope so
@@williamchristy9463 Hammerfell? High Rock? Neither Provinces have been fully explored in depth before, even in Daggerfall. You had the Illiac Bay area, but you didn't explore all of Hammerfell or High Rock...
@@thalmoragent9344 You didn't explore all of them, but you explored decently sizeable portions in great depth. That's still more than could be said for the majority of nations in the Elder Scrolls. We still haven't seen Black Marsh, Elsywr, Summerset, Valenwood, or more than a single city of Morrowind proper in a game made by the 'Bethesda' team.
@@williamchristy9463 True, I suppose Narrative wise, Hammerfell would be the best, but other areas would certainly be amazing to see fully fleshed out I wouldn't mind going to Summerset myself, perhaps join the Thalmor as a Faction, could prove interesting. Maybe have the Maormer join the Dominion like they did back in the day. I see your point, I've never played Daggerfall and I assumed it was smaller than what you're saying it really was, my apologies
@@thalmoragent9344 The map of Daggerfall is the size of Britain, on a roughly 1-1 scale. It's not strictly *in detail* in the same way that modern elder scrolls would be, but that's due to a mixture of age, and a different focus on design. I can agree Hammerfell would be best, but I think Summerset would be better for the series.
I love this video. Probably one of my favorite, just need you all to follow up with the podcast. Seriously though, I support this theory. That is why I believe TES6 will be in both High Rock and Hammerfell. The events of the 4th Era all lead up to this paramount event at Direnni Tower. I can see a game where we start out in the deserts of Hammerfell, a captive or slave. We embark on a journey that sees us thrust into the center of the second great war of Tamriel. This is where my theory that the player character is the avatar of Ebonarm. Through us we must become the symbol of conflict, either through armed aggressive or peaceful solution. Ultimately we must save Nirn from being undone. Help build an army of Man, Mer and Beast in order combat the Dominion. Midway through the main story we should see the full might of the Dominion sweep into the coastal areas of Hammerfell and High Rock. My main concern for TES6 will be the combat. Mainly boss encounters. I know Bethesda will keep it simple similar to TES4 and 5. I doubt we will see much in mechanics, it will stay true to hack and slash form of play. Games these days offer a lot of flair with boss mechanics though, so I really want to see some of that in TES6.
Great videos man. I find this subject in particular very interesting because going through Skyrim I felt regardless which faction you choose the Thalmor are really the only true threat to Skyrim and to humans. Really I think the two factions need to reconcile their differences and unite to fight the Thalmor. With that I have an interesting topic/idea for a future video: What if the Stormcloaks win the war, but the Dragonborn is on their side? I think all the quests in Skyrim canonically reach a conclusion, however I find it doubtful THE Dragonborn completed EVERY quest. So either there were multiple Dragonborn during that time, or the Dragonborn completed some of the quests while other quests were completed by non-dovahkin in the world. That said Titus Mede does die. The empire is leaderless at the end of Skyrim, and as is pointed out traditionally the empire was led by dragon-blood emperors. So if the Dovahkin is the next emperor that gives the empire a bit of an advantage going into the next war. Now if the dovahkin were a stormcloak it would make for an interesting situation. Do the Stormcloaks REALLY want to leave the Empire? or do they simply want the freedom to rule their own country? contrary to belief these do not necessarily mean the same thing. With a stormcloak on the throne I think the Dovahkin could bring Skyrim back into the fold and unite the Imperials and Stormcloaks by granting Skyrim autonomy to conduct it's own affairs while still remaining a part of the empire. Add the fact the Dovahkin could have learned the Bend Will shout and made allies with at least a few Dunmer houses on Solstheim and Empire has a much better chance than it stands at the beginning of the game IN ES:V
Lol! I never thought of it that way, but now you've got me wondering... the shadow I saw sneaking away when I was battling that lurker, could it have been Drew?
The Thalmor are a very interesting faction to me. Hopefully in ES6 we can interact with them more, either as active adversaries or even potentially aiding their nefarious agenda for Tamriel. Ushering in a new Merethic Era, or even crazier, succeeding in undoing creation to ascend to godhood. On one hand, the Thalmor are evil, but to the credit of the Altmer and overall all powerful elven civilizations, they reached technological peaks that are unmatched in the present era.
I really hope that TES 6 won't be the last game in the series. I hope we can get a spin-off set in a different era similar to how New Vegas operated in relation to Fallout 3. Would love to see a game in First Era Blackwater region of Cyrodiil and northern Black Marsh. The Thalmor conflict needs to be resolved in TES 6 though
After a long fought battle the Aldmeri armies had finally captured the Adamantine Tower. None could stop them as the zero stone was laid bare before them. The 13 locks are broken and within the vault stands a single Star-Made Knight.
Black Marsh will be left alone, should the Dominion look funny at the Hist, invasion to the Summer Set Isles by angry lizards very angry. Boats? Naah fam, they swim.
Imperial ships have cannons, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Imperials were researching firearms following the war to the point they have arquebuses (Proto muskets) during the next War. The amount of carnage a war involving firearms and sorcery is unthinkable. It's also faster to train a solider to shoot crossbows or firearms.
Skyrim does such a good job at connecting and foreshadowing new events in the series. Skyrim for most of the lore has always been disconnected from the rest of the continent, but in TES 5, we see that it can no longer escape the looming geopolitics between the remnants of the Empire and the resurgent Aldmeri Dominion. While not imminent, a second massive war looms that will most likely have one decisive victor, unlike the last, and the Empire is still desperately trying to keep everyone together in anticipation of it. Well done, Bethesda.
I think Elder Scrolls 6: Redfall will take place in Hammerfell 20 years after the events of Skyrim because by then there's a new generation and enough time for the Dragonborn to have mysteriously disappeared in Solstehim (or Apocrypha in actuality). The fate of Ulfric and Tulius will be left ambiguous but it will be made clear which faction ultimately won. I think the Stormcloaks will win making Skyrim an independent country like Hammerfell and they will ally with each other and the Empire despite being weakened with so much lost territory and resources (no Skyrim or Hammerfell) will have bolstered its forces and possibly regained a former province (Morrowind, Elsyr or Valenwood) and make a comeback somehow but a Redguard hero will be key in defeating the Aldemiri Domonion.
I agree with everything but the alliance. I doubt the Empire is willing to be friends with a traitor who made them waste resources that would have gone towards preparing for the second war and stealing a province that deprived them of war material and soldiers; and Ulfric will be too pigheaded to ally with them. Either they accept his support and pay tribute, or he'll just hold up in Skyrim and let them all die. Likely the game will end with the Dominion winning because the nations of men are separated and weak. An enemy like the Thalmor isn't something you can just introduce and beat the next time you meet them. It's gotta be multiple installments with them winning right up until the climax.
@@Lightscribe225 well I meant Skyrim would ally with Hammerfell, because they're both former Empire provinces who got screwed by the Empire and Thalmor, share a border and both have a grudge against the Thalmor. It's not impossible the Empire would make a truce with Skyrim, but I think it will fight independently from Skyrim/Hammerfell who have their own victories. In-universe it makes sense for Thalmor to be beaten because the conflict/tension has been going on for a long time by ES6 and people in real life would be tired of the same bad guy for three games Bethesda will want to move on to something else entirely 2 games is enough and we will likely get way more Thalmor lore and more up close and personal with them in ES6 like actually fight large scale battles against them.
@@napdragon94 Again nah. The Dominion has three provinces of manpower to throw at Hammerfell which has a "decomissioned" imperial legion still fighting on the borders. Of the two, Hammerfell would be more likely to ally with Cyrodiil as it means the Concordat is nullified and the Imperials are still helping them indirectly. And the ultimate Thalmor goal is to destroy reality and unmake Mundus. That deserves a trilogy at least. Unless Bethesda is run by nothing but hacks, they wouldn't let the Dominion fall without letting us see them lose control in Valenwood and Elsweyr
Yea.. No. Its not going to be The Second Great War that we get in ES6 i think. The map from the community post shows Solitude, Hammerfell, and High Rock. What other event in ES History took place between those three locations? THE WAR OF THE RED DIAMOND. What if we get to side with, against, and experience THE WOLF QUEENS RISE. >:)
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26:48 Yes, but that's assuming the Empire hasn't been undermined by the Thalmor. I think there is some good evidence that it has been, not least the murder of the Emperor (yes, I've spent way too much time researching Motiere's allusion to Pelagius's murder; imo, the implications are not good); if the Empire can be taken through a relatively peaceful coup, that is exactly what the Thalmor will do. As we see at the Thalmor Embassy party, the people supporting the Empire in Skyrim are anything but a loyal lot, and I have a bad feeling it's not much different in Cyrodiil. Even General Tullius agrees: "Look around the room and you'll see what we're up against. Just between you and me, a lot of what Ulfric says about the Empire is true" and "The Thalmor invited me here to remind everyone that they can tell the Empire what to do." Then there is the fact that Kematu, the sell-sword hired to find Saadia, says this: ""the resistance against the Dominion is alive and well in Hammerfell" What odd wording if the Dominion truly was driven completely out of Hammerfell. Surely then he would have said "Hammerfell will stand strong against the Dominion" or "We drove the Dominion out, and all their supporters must pay" not "the resistance is alive and well". It implies there is still a Dominion presence in Hammerfell, and that not everyone is united in the desire to get rid of it.
@@danielshore1457 I mean maybe Elderscrolls 7 or 8 will exist in a time period where we have the more advanced gaming tech needed to run a war using NPCs. At the moment though we can't even do a Civil War well.
While I don't think they are as powerful as maybe they were during the first great war it is clear that they know another war is coming so like I think they are on much more even footing with the elves this time (ie the dominion wouldn't be able to take large amounts of territory before the empire even mobilizes)
@@danielshore1457 population also needs to be taken into account. Elves in general have a lower birth rate compared to humans to begin with. Add in the High Elves' alleged eugenics, and you get far fewer soldiers on the battlefield as time goes on. Even their advantage with living much longer won't help, as the elves that have been able to take advantage of it will eventually be killed, leaving the younger, less experienced ones, which will be roughly equal to a human fighter. They most likely haven't even fully recovered their population from the last war to the pre-war levels, let alone have a surplus for a protracted war.
@@willswenson3169 I didn't actually think of that, although if we take the storm cloaks winning as Canon there may be an issue of skyrim leaving the empire is the fact that they not only loseanpower but also the best fighters in the empire. So perhaps the population isn't as disbalanced as believed
@High King Ulfric Stormcloak - Jarl of Windhelm I thoight elsweyr was a part of the aldmeri dominion? Also just because the aldmeri dominion had to sign the second treaty of stros m'kai doesn't mean they couldn't defeat a hammerfell on their own. As to my understanding there were imperial troops that fought against the dominion in hammerfell?
@@danielshore1457 He said "Elsweyr Rebellion" implying that Khajiit will try to leave the AD. At the beginning of the Great War the Empire fought in Hammerfell but they pulled out during it. The Redguards kicked out the AD themselves.
I hope the next game will be set in High rock and be about second great war against the Thalmor. With the Adamantine tower as the ultimate prize for the Thalmor to destroy and that we'd have to defend. I'd also love for The Last Dragonborn to be mentioned and have an influence on the events in that game. Maybe Paarthunax and other dragons make an appearance and help fight the Thalmor in order to save the world in the end!
No he is t that quest disappears from the quest log thing if u just don’t do it after an amount of time but comes as completed if u do it still he’s death isn’t canon at all
And you can tell arngeir ur not gonna kill him and he says kynareth has placed the voice of wisdom in you and I believe if u don’t kill him before completing the main quest u get the correct ending with him on the throat of the world when he talks to you
I think three things are being overlooked in regards to the Civil War in Skyrim in this video. 1- Ulfric is actually making an attempt to reach out to make allies with the Bretons. He is not above making allies, and I think after the thrill of winning dies back to logical thought, they're going to want to make allies with the Redguards. 2- I don't feel Ulfric is a reliable asset like the Thalmor think. He may accept a treaty, but I think really he'd be just as happy to break it at a moment's notice, especially if Hammerfell gets attacked, he'd want to go and help the very people who succeeded in splitting from the empire. 3- I feel the Empire's numbers probably have recovered, yes. But consider too that the Land Damage has still been done. The Empire couldn't fight back the Dominion with 4 whole provinces worth of reinforcements, the Empire now has lost Hammerfell, huge damage to Skyrim (even with a smooth win for the Empire), and a war-torn Cyrodiil. The Empire is not going to be able to defend itself again. I agree though, the second great war is looking very bleak for the Humans. I stand by that the Skyrim Civil War needs to come to a truce now, The empire needs to make allies with Hammerfell (Not try and conquer it and waste soldiers), and make an attack on the Dominion NOW while the Thalmor are still recovering. I know they'd still be recovering because they are playing the divide and conquer game, and Altmer breed slower than Humans. Bosmer (If you believe ESO) and Khajiit not so much, but I get the feeling the Dominion don't trust non-Altmer with high decision-making. Being supremacists and all.
Well, that depends on the Methods they use. It's not confirmed they just want want destroy the towers or just outright deactivate the stones, they may have something planned to properly undo Mundus
@@Shatterwings060 Well, Kagrenac may also have been a bit rushed to tap the Heart since he knew the war was at a crucial point, and his king had died. Plus, who's to say the Dwemer didn't achieve what they wanted? We don't know what happened to them for sure, but I'm sure the High Elves will have something set up considering they have multiple Towers they could be meddling with, the Adamantine Tower and the Tower of Green Sap in Valenwood. Plus, undoing Mundus isn't the same as what the Dwemer wanted, that being to just get themselves outta there. The Altmer have a score to settle with Lorkhan, so just leaving Mundus ain't enough, they gotta dismantle the thing 😅
There's another thing that stands in the Thalmor's way: population. Broadly speaking, by the end of the Great War, both the Dominion and Imperial armies were decimated. That was 30 years ago from the start of Skyrim's timeframe. So the Empire has an entire generation of fighting-age men and women to draw from, but altmer don't work like that. Whether you subscribe to the eugenic infanticide theory or that altmer women have much longer menstrual cycles, the point remains that high elves reproduce slower than humans. Once the second Great War begins, the Dominion army will be significantly outnumbered by Imperial/Breton, Redguard, and Nord forces.
They ready were outnumbered to begin with last time, they used that artifact and the event of surprise to their advantage The humans need to attack first, kinda like how ww2 happened the men need to start slowly ignoring the treaty to see how far the dominion will go to force the empire to adhere to the treaty Then the empire should look taking out the justiciers then plan their attack
I’ll be really honest the most interesting possible outcome is definitely an internal aldmeri coup that rids the ones that want to destroy the towers, but keep the aldmeri dominion as a political force and keeps tamriel fractured.
It does say something about them that it takes a literal demonic invasion (or fighting in a poisonous land where they alone can survive in) for them to win battles on other races. But its says something about the dark elves as a whole being able to kick their asses after fighting off the dremora (and some fights during the invasion)
Morrowind was recovering 2 back to back apocalypse and when argonian invaded them they kicked by redoran guards .The main reason argonian successfully fend daedra invasion because their tree masters scared of their destruction by them.Since , hist located in central black marsh is complete cesspool no mer and men except only argonian can survive. Only daedra is fully capable entering center black marshes hist called up argonian and gaven powerful sap that argonian superhuman enough reverse invade oblivion in turn forcing Mehrun Dagon close the gates. I'm summary it was all Hist assistant argonian managed fend of the oblivion crisis.
Since the Empire, being a human kingdom, has higher fertility rates to replace their loses, a bigger land area with more resources and people, and also because it seems to have altered their legions’ equipment from slower, heavily armored infantry to faster, lightly armored troops with powerful bows (in Skyrim, the most expensive and powerful piece of equipment any Imperial soldier has is their Imperial bow) to better take out mages at range, the Dominion might not attack the Empire a second time (when this time they’d be ready for it) and instead go straight for Hammerfell, and then onward to the Direnni Tower in Iliac Bay. Plus, it would be cool having the climax of the main quest-line be the player character, hopefully as a sword-singer, using their powers and skills to fight off a Dominion attack against the Direnni Tower to save the world.
and maybe have a trippy moment for the brief time that the tower is deactivated where contridictary things are happening all at once similar to the ending of 2001 A space odyssey
If you guys released an audiobook set in the Elder Scroll’s universe, I would purchase it SO FAST. Please give it a thought…would love to hear how all 3 of you voice different characters.
Though I have only entered this vast fantasy that is Elder Scrolls, I am enjoying it indeed! You know it’s excellent when the civil wars feel real, where you don’t really see the usual “Black And White/ Good and Bad” archetypes! Watching this I’d probably side with the Empire, but playing Skyrim I utterly despise the Empire (and uh killed Ol Mede afore he could give his final words) but, with the Haughty Thalmor, the perplexing end Ulfric’s Rebellion might amount too! It’s this Intricacy I love! Greatly presented too by this video!
I think Titus Mede is a bad ass. He pulled a long con on the thalmor, used damn good tactics, and was able to reclaim his title. Even tho he was forced to surrender, he only buckled when there was just enough gaurds to defend the town's. He fought till his last man. And managed to turn the tide in the second half. Maybe not in physical capabilities, but intellectually he is a badass.
If he was a badass he would have fought to the bitter instead of surrendering and spared the empire from the White Gold Concordat and from fracturing. Badasses don't surrender, they either win, retreat or die. It's all or nothing for them.
I personally want the Thalmor to win just to have a new era where its not the humans dominating like every other fantasy setting. The elves of Tamriel are good enough to have their own setting. Or maybe make it so that there is no one force controlling all others but every region is sovereign.
wouldn't that destroy the world? The thalmor main objetive is to destroy the world because they think they are gods and the mortal realm is a prison for their godly forms.
Of course as with all of your videos it was truly a pleasure to watch, incredibly entertaining and thought provoking. The in-depth explanation of the original great war outbreaking in cyrodil was very dark, and for some reason how it is addressed in the games made it sound much less graphic, an unfortunate missing of the mark. It makes me wonder if the elder scrolls could benefit from going darker with their stories, and making it less of a series to target all audiences, and rather target simply adults with an M rating. But I digress, I just wanted to say this is an increasingly exciting time, as I feel your analysis will likely become correct, as it would be following in line with all the world building they did in skyrim, as well as why it has taken so damn long to come out. The resources being pooled into ESO are extremely limited and the DLC packs I'm quite sure are just sending money towards making the elder scrolls 6, as all content in ESO now is completely shoddy, and all rebranded DLC from all the previous elder scrolls single player titles, which is very disappointing as they have talent to create new but they choose to continue repurposing the old. If #6 was not initially going to include the second great war, I fear you may have just wrote the story for them to utilize, because this is the sort of scene to set the next massive attack by a daedric prince, especially when the entire world would be on the brink of war. I look forward with great anticipating to the upcoming release, of course after skyrim releases a few more times first. Always a pleasure, take care!
Why do the Thalmor think the Altmer are the greatest?
Because they have High Elf esteem.
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I showed this comment to my wife, and she said "give that guy a medal" 🤣
Every aspect of the ultimatum and the White Gold Concordat was designed for the future. The treaty was specifically designed to weaken the empire for an eventual future conquest.
Yup that’s true.
Ceding of Hammerfell would provide a staging area for the invasion.
Disbanding the Blades rids the empire of her elite warriors.
Banning of Talos worship was a twofer, on the one hand you separate the people from the principles of the founder they are less likely to support the nation in the second war. A brilliant strategy. On the other, they knew that Skyrim would fracture as that was the center of Talos worship. They then orchestrated the Stormcloak rebellion. This would cut down the Nords’ numbers and prevent them fighting for the Empire. Also, the economic recovery in Skyrim would take decades, making for an easy invasion, even with the Dragonborn aiding the victorious side.
@Char Aznable I have one question
Is there any sort of indication that the provinces of Valenwood and Elyswer have active resistance against the dominion?
That part about elven superiority over the lower races would sit too well with other beast races as well not just men
And one more thing would men always have the advantage of numbers over elves?
@Char Aznable well... comparing to the politics of our world. What could be a better thing to make someone join you than being threatened by someone else?
Usa finances both governments and rebels to keep both in check in 3rd world countries
@@elderliddle2733 Yea, but the Dragonborn kinda fucked that plan apart several times over. The Thalmor are fucked now. The civil war in Skyrim was suppose to last several years with no clear victor as the Thalmors desired goal, but instead the Dragonborn ended it in about 4 seconds and kept Skyrim in the empire and kept the empire strong. The Dragonborn also slaughtered hundreds upon hundreds of Thalmor agents in Skyrim. And then finally, the Dragonborn saved all of Nirn from Alduin the world eater and destroyer (Akatosh/Auri-El's first born), which essentially made him viewed as Shor/Talos 2.0 by all of the Nords and many of the other races of Tamriel as well, which would've just furthered the support for Talos worship by men. Shor and Akatosh sent the Dragonborn down for a reason. Primarily to defeat Alduin and save Nirn, but secondarily to annihilate the Thalmor and restore the empire of men. The Thalmor will be fucked going forward, and the protagonist of Elder Scrolls 6 (most likely a legendary Red Guard Sword Singer Shezzarine we all can assume) will finish the job that the Dragonborn started.
@@GutstheBlackSwordsmen Well, its pretty well known that the Thalmor were actually the ones behind the 2 moons crisis all along, and simply pretended to be the saviors and fixers of that situation in order to win the Khajiit to their side. You can safely assume that when it is eventually brought to the kingdom of Elswyr and all of the Khajiit of Tamriel's attention that the Thalmor were actually responsible for the moons disappearances and the perpetrators of the deaths of all those millions of Khajiit children, the Khajiit are probably going to respond incredibly violently and kill many high elves and Thalmor and no longer be affiliated with the Aldmeri Dominion haha.
I never thought I would say this but I'm actually looking forward to a second world war
I hope the next game takes place during it
It wouldn't be a World War it would be a continent wide conflict not the entire world
It wouldn’t be a world war. Just one nation against all the other nations
@@Knight-PaladinEleanor you should probably reread that statement
@@Knight-PaladinEleanor Tamriel is basically like Pangea, the other islands/continents are pretty much baren wastelands, so technically it would be a world war
6 really needs to have imperial generals and councilmen who aren’t afraid to admit that the thalmor really did puppet the empire for so long like we did with tullias and rikke and balgruf. It was something I sincerely enjoyed to see that even some of the most devout people were genuinely angry at the thalmor for treating something they cared about like trash. It’s honestly something I enjoyed immensely
I honestly think that out of all the Yarld Balgruf is best fit for being the high king, just playing the games and listening to the lord I know he cares most and his hold, the safety of his citizens as well as having a good relationship with the people of Whiterun! From what I've seen is that he's not corruptible, and stands strong to protect them, with no hesitation even if it means he dies. Or the Dragonborns children be in some kind of power
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The Ebony Blade quest sheds some doubt on that
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Wait, what do you mean? 🧐
@@thalmoragent9344
During the "Ebony Blade" quest there are a few quotes that make Balgruuf seem less of a hero.
But I know about him. And about the war. More than he might think. I know that he still worships Talos. That he hates the Thalmor almost as much as the Stormcloaks do. That he worries about being chased from Whiterun. That he... that I'm... that I don't have the same mother as my brother and sister."
Minus that part about hating the Thalmor. Beating up nazi Elves is based.
I want more jyygalag content in tes6
I hope ES6’s main story is about the 2nd Great War.
@Wirr Ling the poetic edda would disagree
@@cassi5420 Not at all lol. You realize Skyrim is one of the best selling games of all time? Everyone whos going to play ES6 will have at least heard of Skyrim. Besides, a “Great War” is a pretty big pull-factor, even if they’re “new players”.
I would be more worried at how "great" the war would be. Skyrim's "great" rebellion amounted to like 3 fights with about 20 npcs and a few dungeons with spooky skeletons. If they go with it I hope they make the combat and strife a little more grandiose.
@@cassi5420 Skyrim was also released 10 years ago when RPGs weren't mainstream. that's not the case anymore. they can do whatever they want and they'll still get millions of players
@@haloninjax542 with ms backing them, they don't have the excuse of lack resources. Plus skyrim was made aa decade ago (will be even older come es6) for the ps3, es6 will be for the ps5 so there really is no reason why (at least scale wise) it can't be epic... I hope.
I really want the Dominion to be the main villains of TES 6 so I can crush them properly and utterly
I agree, my feirce brother!
Totally. I slaughter every Altmer I see.
@Xavier The Great first if all its Elves and secondly your race shall die with your barbarian practices
Please. I wanted to kill them in 5 instead of f’ing around in Solstheim.
@@JuhiSRK Not all altmer are with the dominion, you know.
I know Oblivion and Skyrim had some very existential threats(the invasion from hell and the end of times), but I think it would be nice if the Main Storyline for TES 6 was about the next great war between the races of man and mer. Sort of like taking the Civil War questline from Skyrim and cranking it up a few notches. Your race could change which side's jail you start in but as you progress you can choose either side regardless.
Probably be too much like ESO if it is just all out war for the continent
I agree that the main plot of Elder Scrolls VI shouldn't be another world-ending threat and should instead focus on the second war between the Empire and Thalmor.
@@tristanskywalker1998 It could be both.
Thalmor plot for Ada Mantia may work.
As long as I can smack bitches with my trusty fuck you Warhammer I’m happy
@@torinjones3221yeah but a ton of elder scrolls fans don’t play ESO so that’s not a good reason
Just imagine the Dragonborn partaking in this 2nd Great War: calling mighty dragons upon the battlefield to tear and burn the enemy lines asunder, shouting down entire regiments with the Thu'um, and using all his followers, magic and deadly weapons to cut a path through the Dominion legions ( or the Empires, depending on your character), only to die from an arrow to the goddamn knee
Imagine the Altmer Dragonborn character on the same side of the Empire
@@CoffeeSuccubus yall seducers getting wifi service at the loony isles?
@@Michealxlr Well an altmer certainly won't be supporting nords
Lmao! This is what I personally think happens with my Dragonborn (minus the Arrow to the knee part)
@@str33t3r Not really as Mankar Camoran proves you don't need a direct line from Alessia to get the dragonborn blessing. Plus a lifetime of Nords giving him shit for being a knife-ear until he can shout can make someone bitter. Might just side with the Empire add insult to injury. A knife ear dragonborn siding with the Empire? Humiliating.
And somehow this won't be the focus of TES VI. Just wait. You'll probably be reforming the Ansei to take down something that isn't the Dominion, and all we'll get is mentions of the 2nd war burning up in Cyrodill
That opening... it's so frikken immersive. I felt like I was there, staring at that cart. I could almost smell it
that is some god damn talent right there
totally with you dude! i was completely drawn in and both surprised and disappointed when this video ended. and Drew was like "if you got this far, thanks so much for watching." and i was like "no dude, thank you!".
@@davidperkins6752 exactly lol, like bruh with these guys narration it's so easy to get immersed into the video. It's hard not to listen through an entire playlist without stopping
He does a good job reading it, but you know he didn’t write the intro right? It’s from an in universe book.
You guys are outstanding narrators. Should consider doing audio books (and your writing is amazing aswell )
Drew's voice is a blessing.
Yeah Drew has a nice voice he should go for audiobooks
@@mcgoldenblade4765 drew is good for relaxing and Scotty is good for talking about something your passionate about cause you can always hear passion in his voice
"WHAT'S going on, ladies and gentlemen, MY name is Michael and this is Jane Austen's 'Pride and Prejudice'!"
i fall asleep on these vids lol
Second Great War: *rages*
Psjic Order: **grabs popcorn** **sniffs skooma**
*yoinks another isle
Most likely avaya or falenesty.
Shalidor and the bosmer “stop stealing our islands”
Argonians, Time to lurk
I don't trust that they wouldn't help the thalmor
Why would they sniff a liquid? Dont you mean moon sugar? Lol
It's terrifying that this whole conflict is the Thalmor's fight to lose. They have time on their side and time is a powerful ally.
Their arrogance will lead to the Thalmor's downfall
That isn't entirely true. The races of Men have a much faster reproductive cycle than Elves, and as such can replenish their lands and forces much faster over the same period of time. Possibly this is one reason why the Thalmor are pressing so hard on the internal division angle; in 30 years you end up with a whole new generation of adult Men and likely a new one in the making, but the same can't be said for the Altmer. Each Elven soldier lost means more to them in the long run than each dead Man and they know it.
@Cactus Juice one of the big points is the Civil War and the College of Winterhold. Since the whole power cosmic and world breaking is the Thalmor's M.O.
@@spaceonisorceress4406 Wood elves breed like rabbits tho. Probably one of the reasons the Thalmor wanted Valenwood in the first place. Horny, hungry, cannibalistic archers that can invoke a shape shifting power that turns them into man eating monsters, and they reproduce as fast as humans?
Yeah, by all accounts the Thalmor should win, however the humans have the greatest fantasy power of all time, *PLOT ARMOR*
@@e-cavalier2739 OR ME
My hope for freedom from the elves lies in the floridian swamps of Tamriel, and their viscious, scaly inhabitants: The Argonians of Blackmarsh. They united their tribes in a very short period of time and not only successfully repelled the forces of oblivion, but _successfully began invading the depths of hell,_ during the oblivion crisis, forcing the daedra to close the portal from their side. As soon as the aldmeri dominion sets their eye of conquest on blackmarsh, their fate is sealed within the jaws of lizardmen, and under the roots of the hist trees.
24:17 - "What is that soldier second from the left doing?"
"Her best."
I have this weird feeling that if you're Shezzarine in ES6, we can see something like the High Justiciar (or whoever the leader of the Thalmor is) trying to mantle Auri-El by capturing the Shezzarine and trying to recreate the Convention at Ada-Mantia or something, resulting in the fall of the Tower. That's if there's any credence to the tower theory in the first place
Isn't every player character a Shezzarine?
Just imagine this. For a brief few moments the tower is actually deactivated and creation becomes unstable. The Kalpers begin to fold on top of one another and when you look out from the top of the tower back at the shore you can just about make out pre-war New York fazing in and out of existence.
@@zixx844 BWAHHAHAHAAAAAA!
Yo this is fucking LIT
@@smitefulaxe1344
No. In Morowind you're the Nerevarine, the reincarnation of Nerevar. In Oblivion you mantle Sheogorath, and I feel like that wouldn't make sense if you were already a reincarnated god.
Skyrim is the only game where there's a genuine case to be made for you being Shezzarine, because Shor's throne is empty when you arrive, and you can sit in it.
In all the past games, you are not allowed to sit on a God's throne; it physically won't allow it. But in Oblivion you can finally sit on Sheo's throne once you become He. Implying the Last Dragonborn was already Shor all along.
As a long-standing Imperial Boi, I am a bit nervous as the outcome of the 2nd great war. Tamriel under the thalmor would be a pretty grim place. I dig the cosmopolitan vibes they hate so much
Don’t worry the last war was a hollow victory you see the high elves barely won that why they used a treaty.
I think that the Empire would win. The Imperials, as humans with greater fertility than high elves, would be able to replace their losses faster than the Dominion, and since the Empire is larger than the Dominion, they have more resources to rebuild their military as well. In addition, it seems that the Empire might have refitted it’s military to be better suited to fighting magic-using elves. From old helmets and evidence that Great War Legionaries were trained in the heavy armor skill, it seems that the Great War Legions were heavy infantry trained to use heavy armor and engage in melee combat. However, the new legion is equipped with light armor for better mobility (which given that armor is useless again magic is better than more physically protective heavy armor) and their best, most expensive weapon isn’t a melee weapon, but their bows (which against magic, a good bow is the best equalizer a soldier could be equipped with to take down the magic user before they can get into spell range). Just looking at the situation, it seems that the Imperials have used the time granted to them by signing the W-GC wisely.
@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 don’t forget that the dominion fought the redguards for an extra 5 years, further diminishing there numbers and given the empire a head start in recovering.
@@fieldrook1613 Good point and I agree. Honestly, we have no evidence that the Dominion has recovered that much at all. As far as we know, all that Thalmor bluster could be them trying to bluff their way through having an empty hand of cards. For instance, despite the Dominion being thought to have the best navy, the only real warship you see in the game is the Emperor’s ship the Katariah - an Imperial ship. The only known Dominion ship we ever see is Ancarion’s ship in Solstheim, which looks like it could have been a Nord vessel that the Thalmor bought or stole from a Nord fisherman- maybe it was because they were on a stealth mission, though if that were the case, why is Ancarion not wearing something less “Thalmorish” (he might as well just shout “We’re the Thalmor” at the top of his lungs). While the Dominion could have recovered and have a strong navy and army again, we have absolutely no evidence of that, and it seems equally probable that their army is still weak from being annihilated at the battle of the Imperial City and most of their navy is still at the bottom of Lake Rumare. Who knows?
@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 That seems like a bit of a stretch. We wouldn't see any evidence of the Dominion's recovery because their presence in Skyrim is superficial at best. They operate a small and scattered force of inquisitors, but there is no Dominion army or navy anywhere near Skyrim. Of course there isn't, it isn't their territory nor does is border their territory. It would be a woeful overextension to commit to Skyrim in any meaningful way militarily.
"For instance, despite the Dominion being thought to have the best navy, the only real warship you see in the game is the Emperor’s ship the Katariah" I mean, we don't really see ships at all to be fair. We see a few flat pieces of wood with a mast that are somehow labelled as ships, and the Red Wave. But, remember, cities like Dawnstar are supposedly 'thriving port towns'. The answer to this riddle is game limitations. Bethesda didn't want to and/or couldn't add moving ships to the sea. Also, why would we see Dominion navy, even if it was within the engine's scope? Why would they sail a warfleet to the Sea of Ghosts? They're probably maintaining some sort of naval hegemony in the southern seas, preparing to institute a renewed blockade at the outbreak of war. They can't just send huge divisions on wintry vacations to a sea so inhospitable some of it is literally frozen shut.
"The only known Dominion ship we ever see is Ancarion’s ship in Solstheim, which looks like it could have been a Nord vessel that the Thalmor bought or stole from a Nord fisherman" This is just Bethesda being lazy. Why would they create a whole new boat model for an obscure side quest in a DLC? It's not practical when you're on both a timing and fiscal budget.
Hope this didn't come off as combative, I just don't think it's fair to assert that the Dominion is toothless just because we don't see evidence of their might in Skyrim.
This is an interesting theory. Makes me think that Elder Scrolls 6 will be around Hammerfell and High Rock and the Iliac Bay and the Thalmor will again be around but it will be a more villainous role than they were in Skyrim
My guess is that the thalmor is going to invade hammerfell
Drew has the best voice of all 3... I literally have a playlist of his videos to fall asleep to. His voice is so soothing, and he's so knowledgeable of the series.
Drew voice really can calm my anxiety.
blends in with the background music as well, Elder scrolls Universe is lucky to have Drew
This really makes me chim.
Vivec? I thought I killed you...
So.. You planing a return to be part of this war, or?
Why did you kill Nerevar
@@waluigi3515 vivec in smash confirmed
@@idipped2521 I swear to Fumihide Aoki-
finally caught one of these fresh out of the oven. fuck yeah
Lucky bastard, my charger broke so i was waiting for my phone to charge
@@timyuusis3372 F
“I’ve heard rumours that Akivari is making preparations to invade us again. They are apparently only waiting for the Empire to collapse in Civil War or some other crisis. We’d certainly need a Hortator then - if we had one, maybe they could travel to Akaviri before the invasion and weaken or stop it."
-Lloros Sarano in Morrowind
Ate 200mg of THC like an hour before i watched and this guy took me to a different realm
I agree, brother
(Pre-watch) If I were the Emperor, the first thing I'd do is try and make amends with Hammerfell, Morrowind, and Black Marsh, then start the second war the same way they started the first: By dumping the severed heads of every Thalmor agent in the Empire onto the doorstep of Alinor.
While also demanding massive parts of valenwood territory.
It would take a lot to amend with Hammerfell since it was the Empire who renounced them as a province. The Empire gave large part of southern Hammerfell to the Aldmeri, which enraged the redguards and initiated their own war. In response, the Empire renounced Hammerfell as a province.
It might be difficult to do that. The Emperor has eyes and ears on him EVERYWHERE in the Imperial City. The Thalmor would instantly know if you're planning any of that and spend time preparing, possibly even assassinate you.
The scenery and architecture that Bethesda has created for Tamriel has definitely given me inspiration for building a home if I ever win the lottery. The stone work of the buildings is magnificent. Particularly the flow of water through some of the holds and castles.
no matter how the second great war ends up progressing we all know that as soon the player gets into the mix, the thalmor won't stand a chance
That's if TES6 takes place during it lol
Except if the player can side with the Thalmor... Whatever the side the player choses, the other side is basicly screwed up anyway...
@@satanikatze im with the thalmor, im high elven light armor warrior with enchanted weapons and armor
@@borrburison648 I'm happy to find a fellow Thalmor ! We're a rare bunch it seems. I'm also an Altmer (2m25) mostly mage (I have a mod that allow to have enchantement to increase destruction strength so it's now the equal as daggers and bows) and mostly wearing Justiciar robes or Thalmor Peackeeper light armor (Arma Thalmoris mod). I also have Ancano as a follower (Ancano reborn). We have a number of good mods nowadays for Thalmor roleplay thankfully !
One fun idea for ES6 could be set in a future where the Almeri Dominion has won, and you have to be a pivotal part of the resistance breaking their hold on Tameriel before they do something even more monstrous than usual, like destroy the towers if your theory is true
@Samuel Bishop
Yeah, but that's not fair. We can't expect the Empire to win every time, all because of Nostalgic Plot Armor
@@thalmoragent9344 yet the empire sits at its lowest, they could either kill it or give it a legendary redemption arc, im leaning more into the second option i picture a new emperor bringing the empire back stronger than ever
@@gastysica6120
A legendary Redemption Arc? I mean, I'm hoping the story doesn't go down such a cliché route.
I mean, it would be far more interesting and shove some good nuance into the story if we actually has a less predictable outcome. I mean, everyone and their grandma thinks the Empire is going to win, despite the in Lore explanations about how;
The Empire was on its last legs, since most of its Legions were at least half decimated, how they had to tap into reserves.
How Hammerfell is being independent and hell, they may have their own Civil War between Crowns and Forebarers as they often do, and not to mention the historic rivalry between Redguards and Bretons, and since they're not all together under the Empire, Hammerfell can now attack and wage war with them if they so chose without Imperial repercussions within
How Morrowind and Blackmarsh have their own problems and won't be aiding the Empire anytime soon, and Skyrim is in open rebellion via Civil War...
I mean, do you have any idea what it would take to mend all of this? What's the Dominion going through? A few cullings in Valenwood? A situation that can't last forever since they're bound to kill off any main dissenters after some time, Elswyr which is totally fine, Summerset is also stable... I mean, even if we take into account that some within the Dominion don't agree with the Thalmor's actions, many of them still don't like the Empire either, and anti-Empire Propaganda is likely heavy.
So when we factor the Dominion's potential problems to the Empire's... unless Bethesda pulls some BS Plot Armor/Device out from their asses, the Empire being victorious isn't likely. If they miraculously hold out, sure, but outright win? Nah.
@@thalmoragent9344 did you forget about the Septim who went to Akavirr? He or his offspring may come back with a powerful force and revive and rebuild the empire.
@@bronzebow4235 he was killed the only expedition to collonise akivir failed they were all wiped out except a few
I reckon I will take over Mundus. Or do a biscuit tasting competition.
Mmmm, cheese!
@@Mary_Beth_Reimer NO CHEESE, ONLY BISCUITS AND BOREDOM AND ORDER.
@@23Raind Good question, The biscuits are ranked by how nice they are, how boring they are and how much they are lacking in cheese.
Time to get Jyggy with it.
@@TranscendentLion vibes
In my honest opinion, I hope the narrators and this channel continue, and keep on prospering! I love your videos and I'm always amazed at how much you guys can understand the lore of skyrim and then spin it to use in such an awesome way, making it so magical and fascinating! Like another comment said, you guys should start doing audio stuff! ❤
I’m so glad you uploaded this video because literally just yesterday I started thinking about the next Great War bc it’s been months since I actually had the elder scrolls cross my mind and this topic is extremely interesting
Since so much of the political environment surrounding the first Great War, and seemingly the same thing going for the Second Great War, are influenced by the real events of the First and Second World War, I wonder how much of the real events will they incorporate in the story.
Will the Aldmeri Dominion steamroll through the Empire like Germany did in Europe? Will the Empire fall after the war ends like the old Colonial Empires did in our world? Will there be a nuke to finish the war? This one makes me the most curios right now.
Since the TES version of events is not 1:1 with the real events, maybe the Thalmor will use their nuke first. Where will they use it though? Some big city in Hammerfell or High Rock since the game will most probably take place in that part of Nirn? Or maybe on the Imperial City to finally finish off the Empire? Perhaps on the Adamantine Tower itself. Or maybe the Empire's Alliance (because I believe that Hammerfell and a potentially independent Skyrim will join the Empire in alliance against the elves no mather what) will develop their nuke and drop it somewhere on the Summerset Isles.
These are all wild speculations but speculations like these keep me stoked for how the story will really turn out
Imagine that weapon is what frees you at the start of ES6.
I feel like the Thalmor's arrogance will eventually be their downfall in the same way it was for the Dwemer
They messed with things they weren't supposed to and their poor treatment of other races earned them a lot of enemies, even from other Mer (elves)
The Dwemer might still be thriving for all we know. We don't know for certain yet.
@@Gfish17 Yeah, but probably they're just soul juice for the Numidium.
I wonder, if the next mainly ES games story focuses on a 2nd great war, could one part of it's story give you the option of weakening the thalmor via making their allies turn on them using their arrogance?
Its highly unlikely dwemer are dead my conclusion its they might even make a return in the tes6 idk tho
@@Marcel-et3rg or they CHIM'd and are somewhere in the Void or Aetherius
I must say I would happily look forward to something like this unfolding in TES6.... makes sense somehow.
“And such, the summer sets...”
The world had drowned
In seas of red
And yet the wheel keeps turning
I was dead,
And you were dead,
And yet the wheel keeps turning
This is like a Kings and Generals episode, but for Elder Scrolls
Nothing takes off the stress of a work week quite like this. Hearing those amazing strings, taking in the view, it really sets the vibe of the whole day.
Edit: Not to mention the amazing story telling setting up the scenario, I love FudgeMuppet!
Seeing as how the TES 6 is rumored to take place around the Highrock - Hammerfell area, I wouldn’t be surprised if a second Great War would be a part of the game’s major plot.
I’m still holding out for the return of the dwemer as a future game’s plot
Argonians during the Oblivion Crisis would have been the coolest stuff to see.
Absolutely great video. I’ve watched so many FudgeMuppet videos over the years but this has got to be one of the best.
By the Nine, it's been almost 3 years from the TES VI teaser. Oh, Todd, when are you finally gonna satisfy our never-ending lust for lore!
By the nine,I hate the waiting,the god damn waiting!
Might have to wait till 2026 or 2027 (˃̣̣̥⌓˂̣̣̥ )
I'm making the educated guess it'll be at the 30th anniversary. Which is 2024.
I still remember I first watched that trailer at an underground parking lot, and I shouted "no way!"
@@camd4648
Damn, so around a little over 2 years from now? 😓
It would be cool if there was this secret cave in ES6 where there is a dragon that survived the dragon crisis and he gives you a quest or something. Not sure what the quest would be but that would be sick
Odahviing could be a hard to find character hiding in a cave in the Dragontail mountains and he should tell you the fate of the Dragonborn
Could be a good excuse to learn a dragon shout.
@@AxisChurchDevoteeDoesn't learning one shout take like 30 years to normal people
@@JoacoG11 Yes but since there's probably gonna be a time skip and there could be som friendly dragon come up with a shout that makes teaching mortals shouts easier. Or that thing from ESO as I heard there was some item that gave you dragon shouts.
Dang, what a narration, had me hooked with my mouth open in awe just from being able to imagine all these things happening in my head.
Felt like it was a documentary from a war that happened in real life
Ah, so Aldmeris doesn't refer to an actual landmass, but rather the ancient unity of purpose and culture that once made all elves a singular people. In other words, Aldmeris was the original 'story' of the elves, before each faction split from the whole to tell new stories and become different.
Canonically it is, because not all of MKs writings after he left are strictly canon but a commonly accepted belief is that Aldmeris is just a memory of elven unity
@@idipped2521 Kirkbride is a
at best as canon as in-game books, at worst not canon at all. Honestly, most of his stuff is just sex jokes.
@@Nuniixo Yes, I don't take the kinmune story as being canon. I think it's just more of a myth
Considering that culture on Summerset Isles, and more so under Thalmor rule tend to eject anyone that doesn't fit their narrow mold for acceptable keeping the elves together will not he easy.
OK, but hear me out: the Bretons and Redguards ARE going to team up when the Thalmor invade. We're going to get a limited exploration of High Rock in this at least.
Daggerfall was set predominantly in highrock...
@@aaronbosen6743 Yeah? And Redguard was set in Hammerfell, we're still fairly likely to be set there. I think we shouldn't be too bothered by pre-Morrowind Elder Scrolls settings being reused. We have much better technology now so seeing it would still be like a brand new land.
@@aaronbosen6743 And Arena was set in all of Tamriel, that most mean we won’t be seeing it again, sorry pals.
I think high rock wont help hammerfell, due to there might be kingdoms fighting for their own things for the thalmor or others. So they're too corrupt and divided to really give ny meaningfull aid to hammerfell or even themselves
@@jackakakreanxx5587 They tend to rally together in times of crisis throughout their history. Also all the good content of having to put squabbles to rest for the player is tempting plot/gameplay padding.
Omg didn’t realize this was new just clicked on a recommendation
Me when Drew is the narrator: turn that sh*t up yo!
Facts, man has a super cool Narrator voice
Dropped out of tes for a bit as I do now and again, but everytime I come back I have a plethora of vids from you guys. I love how TES is just so huge, and I also admire how you guys stay interested and invested. Cheers!
Also would be really cool if what sparks the second war is the return of the rumored last septim returning from across the sea.
That would be incredibly interesting, but I doubt it.
that was the plan for Skyrim which was scrapped. it would be cool to go back to that idea again
I have not heard about this rumor before, where does it come from?
@@the_corvid97 one of the septim family went across the sea to another continent, I forget it's name, but it's rumoured that he may have survived there. It comes from one of the books, I also forget it's name though, sorry I'm not to helpful here.
@@austinneece7853 Could you be thinking of the Emperor who invaded Akavir? My understanding is that he died, which is recorded in the in-game book "Report:Disaster at Ionith"
The Great War PT.2 will probably be used to balkanize the setting-that process has already begun. A fractured setting with tons of conflict is more exciting and gives TES writers a lot more to work with.
I agree. We've had a unified Empire since the first game, it would be interesting to see more factions rising to Power, even if they're evil (like the Thalmor)
I was literally thinking about this subject last night while re playing skyrim! What a coincidence
It doesn't really fit the structure of an elder scrolls game, but a massive siege defensive of the Imperial City, followed by an amphibious invasion of the Summerset Isles would be incredible.
A marine invasion of Summerset would fail spectacularly since the High Elves have always had the most powerful navy in Tamriel, The only reason Tiber Septim could even attack Alinor is because he had the Numidium as a gift from the Tribunal (because they were cowards).
@@wowomah6194 eh the tribunal kinda had no use for the robot when the heart of lorkhan was trapped at red mountain with Dagoth Ur as it's warden
and I wonder if in another timeline, the empire allies with the sea elves to conquer the summerset isles and what it's rammifications will be. Maybe there will be a cold war of sorts with former allies now bitter enemies
@@jackakakreanxx5587 Yes but surely they had to be wise enough to know that they were sending their, sort of, brethren the High Elves a ticking time bomb. It was essentially like handing your enemy a nuke so that they wouldn't conquer you only for that enemy to use said nuke on another group which shares history and racial ties to you. It was betrayal and if you don't feel comfortable with that word, then surely they were still responsible for the deaths and destruction of High Elven ancient buildings and people. Vivec can get wrecked for doing that, Sotha Sil would never have done that. Seht was always the coolest and most "down to Earth" of the three ironically and also the closest to the High Elves considering he was a member of the Psjics technically.
@@wowomah6194 well at the time it was a nuke with no uranium and since the uranium in this analogy wouldve been lorkhans heart if neither the tribunal nor the empire had access to the heart and the mechanical heart that sotha sil created was completed well after the tribunal were just a big chunk of morrowinds history, if sotha sil with his vast knowledge took So long to create a replacement heart what would make you think that a race of conquering imbeciles compared to the elves would make their own heart of lorkhan well before they would
What is to come? My collection of elf ear necklaces is going to grow.
We taking back what is rightfully ours.
whats ur pfp from
All fun and games, till the trees start speaking Altmerese
I have a feeling the protagonist will probably be a legendary Sword-Singer, and for the first half of the game in ES6, they will be obliterating the Thalmor and unifying Hammerfell and bringing it back into the re-united empire in Great War 2. In the 2nd half of the main story ark, the story will take a sharp twist and turn. Something along the lines of a massive Akaviri invasion will occur all across Tamriel, or possibly even the Dwemer return and now seek to genocide every race on Tamriel, or one of the more evil inclined Daedra Lords who hasn't really been touched upon much yet and not utilized in a main story ark villain capacity yet (Jyggalagg, Boethiah, Vaermina, Mephala, Malacath, Peryite, etc) etc, will do something to threaten all of Nirn, which will bring the Aldmeri Dominion back to reality and give all of the races and provinces of Tamriel a common enemy to unite against. We shall see. I hope it comes out sooner rather than later 😬.
Heil Ulfric
The Thalmor will wish they hadn't weakened everyone when Akavir returns with its army of Tigermen
All praise Tosh Raka !
I will die happy if Akavir plays a major role in TES6’s plot.
What thalmor
To be fair, even before the Great War, the Empire was in no position to protect itself much at all. The Dominion was like, half the size of the Empire, but still kicked its shit in.
The Dominion on the defense is alright, but either way, would require all the races to unite if Akavir attacks.
How in character would it be if Bethesda chose not to follow any of the story threads set up in Skyrim and did something completely unrelated while also continuing to simplifyi magic, do nothing to improve melee combat, and pull a fallout 4 with the protagonist and settlement system. Am I too pessimistic? I hope so
Not to mention that they're setting the game, most likely, in a location that was already explored in-depth in a prior entry.
@@williamchristy9463
Hammerfell? High Rock? Neither Provinces have been fully explored in depth before, even in Daggerfall. You had the Illiac Bay area, but you didn't explore all of Hammerfell or High Rock...
@@thalmoragent9344 You didn't explore all of them, but you explored decently sizeable portions in great depth. That's still more than could be said for the majority of nations in the Elder Scrolls. We still haven't seen Black Marsh, Elsywr, Summerset, Valenwood, or more than a single city of Morrowind proper in a game made by the 'Bethesda' team.
@@williamchristy9463
True, I suppose Narrative wise, Hammerfell would be the best, but other areas would certainly be amazing to see fully fleshed out
I wouldn't mind going to Summerset myself, perhaps join the Thalmor as a Faction, could prove interesting. Maybe have the Maormer join the Dominion like they did back in the day. I see your point, I've never played Daggerfall and I assumed it was smaller than what you're saying it really was, my apologies
@@thalmoragent9344 The map of Daggerfall is the size of Britain, on a roughly 1-1 scale.
It's not strictly *in detail* in the same way that modern elder scrolls would be, but that's due to a mixture of age, and a different focus on design.
I can agree Hammerfell would be best, but I think Summerset would be better for the series.
I love this video. Probably one of my favorite, just need you all to follow up with the podcast.
Seriously though, I support this theory. That is why I believe TES6 will be in both High Rock and Hammerfell. The events of the 4th Era all lead up to this paramount event at Direnni Tower. I can see a game where we start out in the deserts of Hammerfell, a captive or slave. We embark on a journey that sees us thrust into the center of the second great war of Tamriel. This is where my theory that the player character is the avatar of Ebonarm. Through us we must become the symbol of conflict, either through armed aggressive or peaceful solution. Ultimately we must save Nirn from being undone. Help build an army of Man, Mer and Beast in order combat the Dominion. Midway through the main story we should see the full might of the Dominion sweep into the coastal areas of Hammerfell and High Rock.
My main concern for TES6 will be the combat. Mainly boss encounters. I know Bethesda will keep it simple similar to TES4 and 5. I doubt we will see much in mechanics, it will stay true to hack and slash form of play. Games these days offer a lot of flair with boss mechanics though, so I really want to see some of that in TES6.
Great videos man. I find this subject in particular very interesting because going through Skyrim I felt regardless which faction you choose the Thalmor are really the only true threat to Skyrim and to humans. Really I think the two factions need to reconcile their differences and unite to fight the Thalmor. With that I have an interesting topic/idea for a future video: What if the Stormcloaks win the war, but the Dragonborn is on their side? I think all the quests in Skyrim canonically reach a conclusion, however I find it doubtful THE Dragonborn completed EVERY quest. So either there were multiple Dragonborn during that time, or the Dragonborn completed some of the quests while other quests were completed by non-dovahkin in the world. That said Titus Mede does die. The empire is leaderless at the end of Skyrim, and as is pointed out traditionally the empire was led by dragon-blood emperors. So if the Dovahkin is the next emperor that gives the empire a bit of an advantage going into the next war. Now if the dovahkin were a stormcloak it would make for an interesting situation. Do the Stormcloaks REALLY want to leave the Empire? or do they simply want the freedom to rule their own country? contrary to belief these do not necessarily mean the same thing. With a stormcloak on the throne I think the Dovahkin could bring Skyrim back into the fold and unite the Imperials and Stormcloaks by granting Skyrim autonomy to conduct it's own affairs while still remaining a part of the empire. Add the fact the Dovahkin could have learned the Bend Will shout and made allies with at least a few Dunmer houses on Solstheim and Empire has a much better chance than it stands at the beginning of the game IN ES:V
I'd take any journey with Drew, it's like having herma mora with you...
Lol! I never thought of it that way, but now you've got me wondering... the shadow I saw sneaking away when I was battling that lurker, could it have been Drew?
@@Mary_Beth_Reimer I'm sure there is a wager to be made that it likely was! haha
Is it strange that I seem to enjoy these videos more than I enjoy TES?
The Thalmor are a very interesting faction to me. Hopefully in ES6 we can interact with them more, either as active adversaries or even potentially aiding their nefarious agenda for Tamriel. Ushering in a new Merethic Era, or even crazier, succeeding in undoing creation to ascend to godhood. On one hand, the Thalmor are evil, but to the credit of the Altmer and overall all powerful elven civilizations, they reached technological peaks that are unmatched in the present era.
I mean, if the player character ascends to godhood, would that mean the ultimate end of the story?
I really hope that TES 6 won't be the last game in the series. I hope we can get a spin-off set in a different era similar to how New Vegas operated in relation to Fallout 3. Would love to see a game in First Era Blackwater region of Cyrodiil and northern Black Marsh. The Thalmor conflict needs to be resolved in TES 6 though
I think elder scrolls is to popular now to stop at 6, hopefully
Yep it does need to be resolved, by a Thalmor victory -sage nod-
I'll be mighty disappointed if es6 codename isn't
The Great War 2: Nuke Spell Boogaloo
I'll be taking that tag
"Delphine Jend did nothing wrong" maybe?
I love 100ft fireballs as well
Maybe will uncap it to make real nukes
The only 2 questions are... how many games until the great war starts proper, and how many more games till the elves actually succeed?
After a long fought battle the Aldmeri armies had finally captured the Adamantine Tower. None could stop them as the zero stone was laid bare before them. The 13 locks are broken and within the vault stands a single Star-Made Knight.
Rip and tear.
The way you guys are able to paint such vivid pictures with your series, is the reason I am often more interested with TES lore than our own haha.
Black Marsh will be left alone, should the Dominion look funny at the Hist, invasion to the Summer Set Isles by angry lizards very angry. Boats? Naah fam, they swim.
They literally invaded *Hell*, some pointy ear bois would be nothing
Drew is without a doubt the best narrator.
Imperial ships have cannons, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Imperials were researching firearms following the war to the point they have arquebuses (Proto muskets) during the next War. The amount of carnage a war involving firearms and sorcery is unthinkable. It's also faster to train a solider to shoot crossbows or firearms.
This would be interesting but I doubt Bethesda would be that bold unfortunately
An Enchanted Shotgun Of Shock sounds like the coolest thing ever!
Yes I need to see the elves get wrecked by muskets
Skyrim does such a good job at connecting and foreshadowing new events in the series. Skyrim for most of the lore has always been disconnected from the rest of the continent, but in TES 5, we see that it can no longer escape the looming geopolitics between the remnants of the Empire and the resurgent Aldmeri Dominion. While not imminent, a second massive war looms that will most likely have one decisive victor, unlike the last, and the Empire is still desperately trying to keep everyone together in anticipation of it.
Well done, Bethesda.
I think Elder Scrolls 6: Redfall will take place in Hammerfell 20 years after the events of Skyrim because by then there's a new generation and enough time for the Dragonborn to have mysteriously disappeared in Solstehim (or Apocrypha in actuality). The fate of Ulfric and Tulius will be left ambiguous but it will be made clear which faction ultimately won. I think the Stormcloaks will win making Skyrim an independent country like Hammerfell and they will ally with each other and the Empire despite being weakened with so much lost territory and resources (no Skyrim or Hammerfell) will have bolstered its forces and possibly regained a former province (Morrowind, Elsyr or Valenwood) and make a comeback somehow but a Redguard hero will be key in defeating the Aldemiri Domonion.
I agree with everything but the alliance. I doubt the Empire is willing to be friends with a traitor who made them waste resources that would have gone towards preparing for the second war and stealing a province that deprived them of war material and soldiers; and Ulfric will be too pigheaded to ally with them. Either they accept his support and pay tribute, or he'll just hold up in Skyrim and let them all die. Likely the game will end with the Dominion winning because the nations of men are separated and weak. An enemy like the Thalmor isn't something you can just introduce and beat the next time you meet them. It's gotta be multiple installments with them winning right up until the climax.
@@Lightscribe225 well I meant Skyrim would ally with Hammerfell, because they're both former Empire provinces who got screwed by the Empire and Thalmor, share a border and both have a grudge against the Thalmor. It's not impossible the Empire would make a truce with Skyrim, but I think it will fight independently from Skyrim/Hammerfell who have their own victories. In-universe it makes sense for Thalmor to be beaten because the conflict/tension has been going on for a long time by ES6 and people in real life would be tired of the same bad guy for three games Bethesda will want to move on to something else entirely 2 games is enough and we will likely get way more Thalmor lore and more up close and personal with them in ES6 like actually fight large scale battles against them.
@@napdragon94 Again nah. The Dominion has three provinces of manpower to throw at Hammerfell which has a "decomissioned" imperial legion still fighting on the borders. Of the two, Hammerfell would be more likely to ally with Cyrodiil as it means the Concordat is nullified and the Imperials are still helping them indirectly.
And the ultimate Thalmor goal is to destroy reality and unmake Mundus. That deserves a trilogy at least. Unless Bethesda is run by nothing but hacks, they wouldn't let the Dominion fall without letting us see them lose control in Valenwood and Elsweyr
You may be on to something
Yea.. No.
Its not going to be The Second Great War that we get in ES6 i think. The map from the community post shows Solitude, Hammerfell, and High Rock. What other event in ES History took place between those three locations? THE WAR OF THE RED DIAMOND. What if we get to side with, against, and experience THE WOLF QUEENS RISE. >:)
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plot twist Skyrim, Morrowind, and Black Marsh reform the old Ebonheart Pact and kick the Dominions ass.
26:48 Yes, but that's assuming the Empire hasn't been undermined by the Thalmor. I think there is some good evidence that it has been, not least the murder of the Emperor (yes, I've spent way too much time researching Motiere's allusion to Pelagius's murder; imo, the implications are not good); if the Empire can be taken through a relatively peaceful coup, that is exactly what the Thalmor will do. As we see at the Thalmor Embassy party, the people supporting the Empire in Skyrim are anything but a loyal lot, and I have a bad feeling it's not much different in Cyrodiil. Even General Tullius agrees: "Look around the room and you'll see what we're up against. Just between you and me, a lot of what Ulfric says about the Empire is true" and "The Thalmor invited me here to remind everyone that they can tell the Empire what to do."
Then there is the fact that Kematu, the sell-sword hired to find Saadia, says this: ""the resistance against the Dominion is alive and well in Hammerfell" What odd wording if the Dominion truly was driven completely out of Hammerfell. Surely then he would have said "Hammerfell will stand strong against the Dominion" or "We drove the Dominion out, and all their supporters must pay" not "the resistance is alive and well". It implies there is still a Dominion presence in Hammerfell, and that not everyone is united in the desire to get rid of it.
By all reason the next emperor should be the player character from skyrim. He is the dragonborn afterall.
Probably just going to be skipped over so we can exist in a time of relative peace like always.
A great war in game will be mediocre
i think its better if ther just write books like before.
are you saying the oblivion crisis, the skyrim civil war and the literal end of the world are events of 'relative peace'
@@xappy9977 tbh the only game I think can take place at war is ESO because the soldiers are just other players
@@danielshore1457 I mean maybe Elderscrolls 7 or 8 will exist in a time period where we have the more advanced gaming tech needed to run a war using NPCs. At the moment though we can't even do a Civil War well.
“Relative peace”
Oblivion crisis, skyrim civil war, Dagoth Ur doing the moonsugar, etc.
The events of The Great War could be an exciting TV show.
Unlike last time the empire has rebuilt its strength and is ready for the thalmor who lack the element of surprise.
While I don't think they are as powerful as maybe they were during the first great war it is clear that they know another war is coming so like I think they are on much more even footing with the elves this time (ie the dominion wouldn't be able to take large amounts of territory before the empire even mobilizes)
@@danielshore1457 population also needs to be taken into account. Elves in general have a lower birth rate compared to humans to begin with. Add in the High Elves' alleged eugenics, and you get far fewer soldiers on the battlefield as time goes on. Even their advantage with living much longer won't help, as the elves that have been able to take advantage of it will eventually be killed, leaving the younger, less experienced ones, which will be roughly equal to a human fighter. They most likely haven't even fully recovered their population from the last war to the pre-war levels, let alone have a surplus for a protracted war.
@@willswenson3169 I didn't actually think of that, although if we take the storm cloaks winning as Canon there may be an issue of skyrim leaving the empire is the fact that they not only loseanpower but also the best fighters in the empire.
So perhaps the population isn't as disbalanced as believed
@High King Ulfric Stormcloak - Jarl of Windhelm I thoight elsweyr was a part of the aldmeri dominion? Also just because the aldmeri dominion had to sign the second treaty of stros m'kai doesn't mean they couldn't defeat a hammerfell on their own.
As to my understanding there were imperial troops that fought against the dominion in hammerfell?
@@danielshore1457 He said "Elsweyr Rebellion" implying that Khajiit will try to leave the AD. At the beginning of the Great War the Empire fought in Hammerfell but they pulled out during it. The Redguards kicked out the AD themselves.
That opening scene was amazing and gave a great lead-in to the topic.
You can also use the Adamantine Tower from Skyrim's Beyond Reach mod in the future videos, just an advice :)
I hope the next game will be set in High rock and be about second great war against the Thalmor. With the Adamantine tower as the ultimate prize for the Thalmor to destroy and that we'd have to defend. I'd also love for The Last Dragonborn to be mentioned and have an influence on the events in that game. Maybe Paarthunax and other dragons make an appearance and help fight the Thalmor in order to save the world in the end!
It would be cool if the dragon born became emperor since they’re obviously a dragon born
Paarthurnax in lore is dead
No he is t that quest disappears from the quest log thing if u just don’t do it after an amount of time but comes as completed if u do it still he’s death isn’t canon at all
And you can tell arngeir ur not gonna kill him and he says kynareth has placed the voice of wisdom in you and I believe if u don’t kill him before completing the main quest u get the correct ending with him on the throat of the world when he talks to you
That’s not canon bro that quest disappears from the quest log thing if u don’t do it for an amount of time
I think three things are being overlooked in regards to the Civil War in Skyrim in this video.
1- Ulfric is actually making an attempt to reach out to make allies with the Bretons. He is not above making allies, and I think after the thrill of winning dies back to logical thought, they're going to want to make allies with the Redguards.
2- I don't feel Ulfric is a reliable asset like the Thalmor think. He may accept a treaty, but I think really he'd be just as happy to break it at a moment's notice, especially if Hammerfell gets attacked, he'd want to go and help the very people who succeeded in splitting from the empire.
3- I feel the Empire's numbers probably have recovered, yes. But consider too that the Land Damage has still been done. The Empire couldn't fight back the Dominion with 4 whole provinces worth of reinforcements, the Empire now has lost Hammerfell, huge damage to Skyrim (even with a smooth win for the Empire), and a war-torn Cyrodiil. The Empire is not going to be able to defend itself again.
I agree though, the second great war is looking very bleak for the Humans. I stand by that the Skyrim Civil War needs to come to a truce now, The empire needs to make allies with Hammerfell (Not try and conquer it and waste soldiers), and make an attack on the Dominion NOW while the Thalmor are still recovering. I know they'd still be recovering because they are playing the divide and conquer game, and Altmer breed slower than Humans. Bosmer (If you believe ESO) and Khajiit not so much, but I get the feeling the Dominion don't trust non-Altmer with high decision-making. Being supremacists and all.
The Empire is objectively stronger now than it was in 171.
@@dutchpatriot17 Hello again, Dutch, my nemesis!
@@dutchpatriot17
Oh boy. I knew you were delusional, but never did you show it so openly.
How much I love to listen to these lore videos as bedtime stories
boy... the elves are seriously going to wake up to a rude realization when they destroy all the stones and find out there's no place for them.
Well, that depends on the Methods they use. It's not confirmed they just want want destroy the towers or just outright deactivate the stones, they may have something planned to properly undo Mundus
@@thalmoragent9344 right... Just like the dwmer ?
@@Shatterwings060
Well, Kagrenac may also have been a bit rushed to tap the Heart since he knew the war was at a crucial point, and his king had died.
Plus, who's to say the Dwemer didn't achieve what they wanted? We don't know what happened to them for sure, but I'm sure the High Elves will have something set up considering they have multiple Towers they could be meddling with, the Adamantine Tower and the Tower of Green Sap in Valenwood.
Plus, undoing Mundus isn't the same as what the Dwemer wanted, that being to just get themselves outta there. The Altmer have a score to settle with Lorkhan, so just leaving Mundus ain't enough, they gotta dismantle the thing 😅
Yeah watch them deactivate the last tower and nothing happens.
@@Teddy-rv8iw
Well, what if the Thalmor realize that Akavir has its own Towers? And Atmora? Who knows 😳
The 2nd Great War: "And when we needed him the most... The Last Dragonborn disappeared."
And so rises a new champion: The player of ES6.
The thalmor weren't always evil, and the dominion wasn't always ruled by the thalmor
I, being a Nord, try very hard to remember that not all high elves are Thalmor. 😇
Another masterfully made lore video! I can only imagine how much effort goes into crafting each one of these videos. 😄
There's another thing that stands in the Thalmor's way: population.
Broadly speaking, by the end of the Great War, both the Dominion and Imperial armies were decimated. That was 30 years ago from the start of Skyrim's timeframe.
So the Empire has an entire generation of fighting-age men and women to draw from, but altmer don't work like that. Whether you subscribe to the eugenic infanticide theory or that altmer women have much longer menstrual cycles, the point remains that high elves reproduce slower than humans.
Once the second Great War begins, the Dominion army will be significantly outnumbered by Imperial/Breton, Redguard, and Nord forces.
They ready were outnumbered to begin with last time, they used that artifact and the event of surprise to their advantage
The humans need to attack first, kinda like how ww2 happened the men need to start slowly ignoring the treaty to see how far the dominion will go to force the empire to adhere to the treaty
Then the empire should look taking out the justiciers then plan their attack
I swear I've seen every single video. Love all your guys stuff. Especially, your stuff Drew.
I’ll be really honest the most interesting possible outcome is definitely an internal aldmeri coup that rids the ones that want to destroy the towers, but keep the aldmeri dominion as a political force and keeps tamriel fractured.
I always forget that only the Argonians kicked complete ass during the Oblivion Crisis.
And everyone forgets that after this, the Redoran guard kicked the Argonians' scaly asses.
It does say something about them that it takes a literal demonic invasion (or fighting in a poisonous land where they alone can survive in) for them to win battles on other races. But its says something about the dark elves as a whole being able to kick their asses after fighting off the dremora (and some fights during the invasion)
Well remember though the argonians didn't defeat the daedra, the hist did. The hist summon all the argonians it could back to blackmarsh
Morrowind was recovering 2 back to back apocalypse and when argonian invaded them they kicked by redoran guards .The main reason argonian successfully fend daedra invasion because their tree masters scared of their destruction by them.Since , hist located in central black marsh is complete cesspool no mer and men except only argonian can survive. Only daedra is fully capable entering center black marshes hist called up argonian and gaven powerful sap that argonian superhuman enough reverse invade oblivion in turn forcing Mehrun Dagon close the gates. I'm summary it was all Hist assistant argonian managed fend of the oblivion crisis.
Since the Empire, being a human kingdom, has higher fertility rates to replace their loses, a bigger land area with more resources and people, and also because it seems to have altered their legions’ equipment from slower, heavily armored infantry to faster, lightly armored troops with powerful bows (in Skyrim, the most expensive and powerful piece of equipment any Imperial soldier has is their Imperial bow) to better take out mages at range, the Dominion might not attack the Empire a second time (when this time they’d be ready for it) and instead go straight for Hammerfell, and then onward to the Direnni Tower in Iliac Bay.
Plus, it would be cool having the climax of the main quest-line be the player character, hopefully as a sword-singer, using their powers and skills to fight off a Dominion attack against the Direnni Tower to save the world.
and maybe have a trippy moment for the brief time that the tower is deactivated where contridictary things are happening all at once similar to the ending of 2001 A space odyssey
If you guys released an audiobook set in the Elder Scroll’s universe, I would purchase it SO FAST. Please give it a thought…would love to hear how all 3 of you voice different characters.
Ah yes,the perfect bedtime story!
Though I have only entered this vast fantasy that is Elder Scrolls, I am enjoying it indeed! You know it’s excellent when the civil wars feel real, where you don’t really see the usual “Black And White/ Good and Bad” archetypes! Watching this I’d probably side with the Empire, but playing Skyrim I utterly despise the Empire (and uh killed Ol Mede afore he could give his final words) but, with the Haughty Thalmor, the perplexing end Ulfric’s Rebellion might amount too! It’s this Intricacy I love! Greatly presented too by this video!
an Aldmeri Tamriel makes me beyond excited to think about
I think Titus Mede is a bad ass. He pulled a long con on the thalmor, used damn good tactics, and was able to reclaim his title. Even tho he was forced to surrender, he only buckled when there was just enough gaurds to defend the town's. He fought till his last man. And managed to turn the tide in the second half. Maybe not in physical capabilities, but intellectually he is a badass.
If he was a badass he would have fought to the bitter instead of surrendering and spared the empire from the White Gold Concordat and from fracturing. Badasses don't surrender, they either win, retreat or die. It's all or nothing for them.
I personally want the Thalmor to win just to have a new era where its not the humans dominating like every other fantasy setting. The elves of Tamriel are good enough to have their own setting.
Or maybe make it so that there is no one force controlling all others but every region is sovereign.
Milk drinker
Traitor ! You seriously lack of Talos teaching!
@@Grutto hell ya only Elves that could be tolerated maybe would be Bosmer
wouldn't that destroy the world? The thalmor main objetive is to destroy the world because they think they are gods and the mortal realm is a prison for their godly forms.
@@SkitariusNoKD It just a theory, its not confirmed.
Of course as with all of your videos it was truly a pleasure to watch, incredibly entertaining and thought provoking. The in-depth explanation of the original great war outbreaking in cyrodil was very dark, and for some reason how it is addressed in the games made it sound much less graphic, an unfortunate missing of the mark. It makes me wonder if the elder scrolls could benefit from going darker with their stories, and making it less of a series to target all audiences, and rather target simply adults with an M rating. But I digress, I just wanted to say this is an increasingly exciting time, as I feel your analysis will likely become correct, as it would be following in line with all the world building they did in skyrim, as well as why it has taken so damn long to come out. The resources being pooled into ESO are extremely limited and the DLC packs I'm quite sure are just sending money towards making the elder scrolls 6, as all content in ESO now is completely shoddy, and all rebranded DLC from all the previous elder scrolls single player titles, which is very disappointing as they have talent to create new but they choose to continue repurposing the old. If #6 was not initially going to include the second great war, I fear you may have just wrote the story for them to utilize, because this is the sort of scene to set the next massive attack by a daedric prince, especially when the entire world would be on the brink of war. I look forward with great anticipating to the upcoming release, of course after skyrim releases a few more times first. Always a pleasure, take care!
gonna be bloody, heck the Redguards gutted the AD by themselves
ES6 would be incredible if it had a story focusing on the next great war with the underlying enemy / ally being Mephala.
One thing is for certain, The sons and daughters of Tamriel will die for a cause they don't understand. Tamriel will be a Feast for crows.
That was a good book
@@Mary_Beth_Reimer Especially a Certain chapter Four. And the Drowned man.
Dragonborn: Just give me twenty good men. >:)
@@MLPDethDealr32 But, you can only have one Follower at a time. : )
New FudgeMuppet video is always the start off for a good day :)