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  • @meitho7130
    @meitho7130 2 роки тому +209

    Feraligator in HG/SS has really good moves with Crunch and Ice Fang early on, gets superpower later and its waterfall destroys a lot. It's not as bad as many people think

    • @valen9835
      @valen9835 2 роки тому +45

      It still has the same problem as every water starter with the exception of Swampert(who's the best starter for a gen 3 nuzlocke since only one trainer threatens him really), there's just plenty water types available and several much better, especially in the remakes with gyarados really being able to shine and being guaranteed with the shiny one.

    • @---oq5kb
      @---oq5kb 2 роки тому +4

      @@valen9835 shiny gyarados exists in the original johto.

    • @Thelawrencefiles
      @Thelawrencefiles Рік тому

      Everyone forgets he learns ice punch

    • @MasterOphSky
      @MasterOphSky Рік тому +19

      @@---oq5kb It exists, but it's before the physical/special split, so it's not as OP as it is in Gen 4.

    • @superlombax1561
      @superlombax1561 Рік тому +1

      Yeah. But unfortunately, he was talking about the original Gold, Silver, and Crystal where it doesn't get Ice Fang, on top of Water and Dark moves using its slightly weaker Special Attack stat instead of its Attack stat.

  • @JollyRodger2667
    @JollyRodger2667 4 роки тому +378

    Scizor actualy learns bullet punch at level 1. So either get it as a starter if randomizer or just get a heart scale. And bugbite and arial ace become 90 power each as physical moves. Dont even get me started on dual wing beat. Imagine a brave bird without recoil, thats what it is equivilant to

    • @yeetymcspice5755
      @yeetymcspice5755 4 роки тому +9

      Actually with STAB they become 135.

    • @gravyhero1
      @gravyhero1 4 роки тому +62

      Dual wing beat is good but you can only get it from a move tutor in the Isle of Armor so it is not an option for most games

    • @pizzashark7067
      @pizzashark7067 4 роки тому +40

      @@gravyhero1 And the one game it gets dual wingbeat is a game that isn't even worth a conventional Nuzlocke due to how easy it is

    • @kinghughes4776
      @kinghughes4776 4 роки тому +5

      I used a Scizor in HGSS, actually was just broken and strait my mvp

    • @poejavelski148
      @poejavelski148 4 роки тому +4

      Dual Wingbeat has 40 base power hitting twice, it is not the same as a Brave Bird.

  • @ezzardeyethief
    @ezzardeyethief 4 роки тому +811

    I love how the unknown sprite was the "F" unknown. It was destiny.

    • @itzmallow780
      @itzmallow780 3 роки тому +3

      Its the funny pokemons unu

    • @cynniethia
      @cynniethia 3 роки тому +4

      unown*

    • @razor8304
      @razor8304 3 роки тому +9

      Should’ve been L

    • @icewizard3664
      @icewizard3664 3 роки тому

      He completely got me with the “unown” 😂

    • @micabryant4513
      @micabryant4513 2 роки тому +1

      Destiny would suggest it was a coincidence rather than a choice. Pretty sure he picked the F out intentionally

  • @kinghughes4776
    @kinghughes4776 4 роки тому +92

    I played with a Scizor , bullet punch didn't require egg in HGSS and it was absolutely my mvp. Technician and some sworddance set up was disgusting

  • @Zanthosus
    @Zanthosus 3 роки тому +219

    The dismissal of Dunsparce breaks my heart. Fun fact, Dunsparce is the only pokemon that can naturally learn Roost by level up and is not a flying type. Which means that the "downside" of the move literally isn't one when you're using it with the derpy little guy.

    • @athath2010
      @athath2010 2 роки тому +25

      It's more of an upside than a downside against the AI, no? Since they'll try to hit you with moves you're weak to as a Flying-type that'll then become neutrally-effective (or worse) after you've roosted.

    • @cold-bloodedbeats4139
      @cold-bloodedbeats4139 2 роки тому +9

      @@athath2010 AI yes it's good but against a person or even an AI that reacts to your moves like in the older gens, not so much. If you have something like Zapdos or Moltres use Roost and they use EQ, it's lights out

    • @TheJH1015
      @TheJH1015 2 роки тому +1

      ikr, Serene Grace + Headbutt, Glare, Defense Curl, Base 100 HP and base 70 Att and Def? yes it's slow but that doesn't matter when it's hard to kill.

    • @sproutbrawlstars0892
      @sproutbrawlstars0892 Рік тому

      It can also be an upside to get rid of some weaknesses for a turn

    • @vulk7183
      @vulk7183 Рік тому

      How is not being a Flying type anymore for 1 turn after using Roost a "downside" tho? Isn't that a good thing for an incomming Rock Slide as a Pidgeot using Roost for example?

  • @prodjoshkta
    @prodjoshkta 4 роки тому +383

    Lanturn really is good. He’s been blowing up in ADV OU here lately.

    • @Cj-iu5px
      @Cj-iu5px 4 роки тому +21

      True,his great typing and only two weaknesses are what make him awesome.

    • @rozmarinideas5340
      @rozmarinideas5340 4 роки тому +1

      LANTURN

    • @ag64oragm56
      @ag64oragm56 4 роки тому +2

      Actually Thats Interesting

    • @ZokProf
      @ZokProf 4 роки тому +7

      The ADV OU Lanturn squad is here !

    • @ag64oragm56
      @ag64oragm56 4 роки тому +6

      @@ZokProf Oh It's Now OU?

  • @MyPokebros
    @MyPokebros 4 роки тому +131

    umbreon I get the thought process behind it being quite conditional but every single time I have used an umbreon it has felt crazy and getting it in a few games and it being amazing everytime I'd chuck that bad boi in A tier. I don't even have a bias to its design if I could use my fav eeveelution it'd be leafeon everytime.

    • @x54xHantamachine
      @x54xHantamachine 4 роки тому +9

      I've had the opposite experience with umbreon lol. Every time i try and give it a shot it is incredibly underwhelming. It has decent pvp utility but in pve it is not a very good dark type nor is it a very good eeveelution. Most useful ive ever had it was toxic stalling and there are so many pokemon that can pull that off that its really not a particularly coveted niche. Vaporeon is the most useful in pve from my experience due to great bulk with decent offensive capability, moveset, and speed. Jolteon sould be next for typing and great offense but frail af and ive had many die on me before they get good electric type moves lol. Espeon is very good but the games are already abundant with very good psychic types tbh. Leafeon is an awesome design but honestly not good moveset, especially for a grass type. Glaceon is not too bad on paper but is ice type. Never used sylveon but i assume its great.
      Point being umbreon is rarely the best thing to evolve your eevee into

    • @jeremiahgachassin1955
      @jeremiahgachassin1955 4 роки тому +2

      I've never used one personally but everytime I fight one its annoying as heck its bulky and has alot of status moves

    • @joshuakim5240
      @joshuakim5240 4 роки тому +4

      @@x54xHantamachine
      Umbreon is a bit weird in that it's a great wall with an interesting typing to use defensively, but it hits like a wet noodle so it's overly reliant on Toxic to a rather boring extent.

    • @Bear0601
      @Bear0601 3 роки тому +1

      @@x54xHantamachine honestly, Umbreon is probably consistently the best eeveelution behind Sylveon and maybe vaporeon

    • @raafighaffar5516
      @raafighaffar5516 3 роки тому +2

      @Pott Rott I kinda disagree, I’m playing thru Black2 rn and he helped tank a lot of hits from opponents while I healed up other members of my team. Having charm also helped w set up strats against physical attackers.

  • @TheMike0088
    @TheMike0088 4 роки тому +34

    I think Ursaring deserves to be low A tier, because guts STAB facade with 130 base atk one-shots anything that isn't ghost, rock, steel or an insanely physically defensive wall like cloyster. Its just held back by its well below average speed.

  • @dull_scythe
    @dull_scythe 3 роки тому +51

    Bellossom is my favorite Pokemon and watching it go from F to low C made me happy

    • @gigastrike2
      @gigastrike2 3 роки тому +1

      What a mood.

    • @sarahhelena.2036
      @sarahhelena.2036 3 роки тому +3

      The same, like, we know it's bad, but... Hurt to see on F.

    • @matheuscarvalho7014
      @matheuscarvalho7014 3 роки тому +4

      In first ever nuzlocke my bellosom was carring hard killing juan and wallace basically alone

  • @x54xHantamachine
    @x54xHantamachine 4 роки тому +40

    Stantler underrated imo. Has a great movepool and can pull off a mixed attacking set. So good for filling in blanks on teams since it's rather versatile. Stab return, t-wave, hypnosis, eq via tm, dream eater if you're using hypnosis, great shadow ball user (especially in early gens) since it can safely switch in on ghosts. Wild charge in later gens. Intimidate of course. List goes on. I tend to find both it and Girafarig are very slept on. Both very versatile.

    • @x54xHantamachine
      @x54xHantamachine 4 роки тому +3

      I've also used serene grace Dunsparce in an HG nuzlocke before and while it's not nearly as good as stantler, i do think it's underrated. T-wave/headbutt with serene grace is not to be slept on, and morty becomes pretty much a walk in the park with it. Definitely trails off end game, but it is very usable in early/mid. Hustle is pretty bad until it gets coil in later generations (where it hardly makes an appearance anyways unfortunately). Still underrated

  • @joaobrito2653
    @joaobrito2653 3 роки тому +105

    A lot of fairy types suffer from the same issue that Donphan suffers from. There is not physical type fairy move other than play rough, so if you want to use a mega mawile in gen 6 or a mimikyu or a galarian rapidash you have to stick with moves like fairy wind until your 40’s in terms of levels( rapidash doesn’t even get play rough by level up)

    • @AlldaylongRock
      @AlldaylongRock 3 роки тому +16

      Like really.. Special Fairies get Fairy Wind, Dazzling Gleam and Moonblast, all pretty good 100% accuracy moves.. Play Rough is a Moonblast that can miss and doesn't lower Attack, and you get it super late by level up

    • @WolfyGamer99
      @WolfyGamer99 3 роки тому +2

      I think the reason why is because there aren't many physical fairies other than the ones you named, but hopefully in future generations we'll get more physical fairy moves.

    • @AlldaylongRock
      @AlldaylongRock 3 роки тому +2

      @@WolfyGamer99 Xerneas has usable physical attack and Swords Dance?, granbull, Slurpuff and Clefable get Belly Drum and have usable Attack and good Physical movepools, Grimmsnarl is a Physical Fairy as well (tho it's signature move is better than Play Rough imo) .... Physical Fairy types should have a mid-term move with like 60 power because Play Rough is soooo late in their movesets.. Also Play Rough not being 100% accuracy suuucks.. Lost quite some battles in Showdown for Play Rough misses 😂

    • @thedancingguy828
      @thedancingguy828 3 роки тому +7

      My boi Luxray has the same problem, if it had an eletric physical move with like 80-95 power would be one of the best eletric types ever

    • @AlldaylongRock
      @AlldaylongRock 3 роки тому

      @@thedancingguy828The Electric, Fire and Fairy types are horribly unbalanced in regards to Physical moves.. They are either not as good (being weaker or Innacurate) as the Special ones that are available for the type and the better ones are either signature moves or not too widely available to Pokemon that would love to get them.... The worst offeender is Fairy with only Play Rough as a Physical move besides Grimmsnarl's signature

  • @goblez5900
    @goblez5900 3 роки тому +50

    Azumarill is honestly amazing from gen 3 onwards. If its huge power you can basically just win the game if you ev train it. It can ace some key battles with a single use of Rollout.

    • @LongfellowLP
      @LongfellowLP 2 роки тому +6

      Azumarill also in fast exp. group, honestly broken as early as gen 3

    • @mac30yyz
      @mac30yyz 2 роки тому +1

      + even without huge power, sap sipper is still a usable ability. i think he underrated azu

    • @marcogypaetus9607
      @marcogypaetus9607 2 роки тому +7

      @@mac30yyz sap sipper is the hidden ability tho, isn't it? The other ability azumarill gets by default is thick fat, making it 1/4 resistent to ice and fire, which k...

    • @mac30yyz
      @mac30yyz 2 роки тому

      @@marcogypaetus9607 u right i thought it was the other way around for some rzn

    • @morayfrye
      @morayfrye 2 роки тому

      and when azumarill got the fairy type in gen 6 it was just broken beyond repair

  • @jetabyss13
    @jetabyss13 3 роки тому +49

    I'll never forget my Noctowl in HG/SS. That bird carried my team all the time!

  • @jasonbradbury3484
    @jasonbradbury3484 4 роки тому +35

    Miltank (with "scrappy"tho) and its fast, bulky and give it rollout and milk drink! free pass on ghost pokes, can heal team for less potion use, stab headbut or body slam flinch or para hacks. Very underrated poke im my eyes especialy in nuzlocks.

    • @ShinuGuardian
      @ShinuGuardian 4 роки тому +4

      Anyone who underestimates Miltank clearly hasn't faced Whitney nearly enough.

    • @x54xHantamachine
      @x54xHantamachine 4 роки тому +6

      Underrated along with girafarig and stantler imo

  • @DreamsInShades
    @DreamsInShades 4 роки тому +339

    This man doesn't know the power of Dunsparce, the one true God.

    • @becausesakamoto5938
      @becausesakamoto5938 4 роки тому +5

      Amen

    • @anoldman9743
      @anoldman9743 4 роки тому +8

      I think that spot is where slakoth is, I think dunsparce is one of his angels

    • @x54xHantamachine
      @x54xHantamachine 4 роки тому +6

      This but unironically

    • @DreamsInShades
      @DreamsInShades 4 роки тому +5

      @@x54xHantamachine I actually wasn't being ironic either. :D

    • @DreamsInShades
      @DreamsInShades 4 роки тому +13

      @Geisel Matches Dunsparce sees no other gods.
      Because Dunsparce's eyes are closed.
      BUT IF THEY WERE OPEN THOSE EYES WOULD SEE NO OTHER GODS.

  • @alexanderkaufman3575
    @alexanderkaufman3575 3 роки тому +20

    In Johto Heracross is actually not that hard to come across. You get it via Headbutt and between Azalea town and the Route to the East, it is almost a guaranteed encounter (Spearow is a gift so can be duped out)

    • @animator4287
      @animator4287 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah you can get a guaranteed heracross which I will be doing.

  • @professorannefaire7233
    @professorannefaire7233 4 роки тому +44

    Murkrow broke my heart. Its very bad in gen 2 but bro it has prankster. Its also my 2nd favorite mon so im super biased but i love prankrow shenanigans

  • @lazyhippie6139
    @lazyhippie6139 4 роки тому +18

    I think Umbreon is actually really good for Nuzlockes, at least pre gen 6. Its insanely high defenses make it a good Pokemon to have in front of your team if you don't know what you're up against. Its offensive stats are low, but with physical Dark moves in later gens, that doesn't matter as much since most Ghost and Psychic types have low Defense. In gen 2, despite a garbage set before Kanto, it's still useful since its weaknesses are rarely used (and there weren't many good Fighting or Bug moves anyway).
    Girafarig might be underrated. It completely walls Morty minus Curse strats. Its offense is decent. I think it's good mid-game.
    Electabuzz is underrated imo, more so in gen 2 though. It learns ALL the elemental punches and Psychic. You honestly get it too late though, unless you luck out with the mystery egg in Crystal. Oh, and it can learn Psychic. It's basically a weaker Kadabra.
    Feraligatr is actually pretty good. It gets good coverage with Ice Punch and Earthquake. In HGSS you can teach it Swords Dance, which is always nice. I actually think it's a bit better than Blastoise, since there aren't many other Water types with that coverage (I think only Dragon Dance Gyarados, which is definitely better). I think all the gen 2 starters are good. Typhlosion is ludicriously good in HGSS because you get access to Flamethrower and Fire Blast before the third gym. Oh, and you can give it Choice Specs too. It doesn't have much variety in moves, but it doesn't really need it.

    • @FuDDEX420
      @FuDDEX420 4 роки тому +3

      I agree with your take on Umbreon. I remember how much of a crap Pokemon I "thought" it was in Gen 2.
      But replaying the Pokemon games and adding certain rules, I'd take Umbreon over Espeon anytime. Especially if it's a Nuzlocke.
      Girafarig great point.
      For Electabuzz I did not know all that. When you say "basically a weaker Kadabra" do you mean just using Psychic in general? Or Electabuzz overall compared to Kadabra? What you just described is I'll take an Electabuzz over Kadabra if it's a Nuzlocke.
      >Feraligatr is actually pretty good.
      For a starter I would rather pick Typhlosion in Nuzlocke rules. Point is because of Lapras/Gyrados/Lanturn/Vaporeon.

    • @lazyhippie6139
      @lazyhippie6139 4 роки тому +5

      ​@@FuDDEX420 Electabuzz and Kadabra can have the same set in gen 2: 3 elemental punches (although Electabuzz gets Thunderbolt) and Psychic (although Electabuzz has to wait until Kanto for that). Kadabra is honestly better; it's faster and with higher Special Attack, although it has even less bulk. It doesn't generally *need* the bulk because it OHKOs most things.
      Agreed on the Water types; I prefer Lapras or Gyarados for sure. Feraligatr is still a good choice though, and has no gym weaknesses at all in Johto, aside from Magnemite (hopefully you have something else to deal with those at that time) and Dragonair's Thunderbolt. I actually have better luck with Meganium for some reason. I do think Typhlosion is the best, although it's the worst against Clair.

    • @FuDDEX420
      @FuDDEX420 4 роки тому

      @Pott Rott
      He explains it in the first minute of the video.
      If you are playing a nuzlocke, no items in battle, level cap, there are better water Pokemon in Generation 2 than Totodile.

  • @jitomaynez
    @jitomaynez 3 роки тому +10

    Im currently doing my first nuzlocke (doing SoulSilver)
    Bugsy ATE my team, but i found a good mon that could take out that mighty Scyther... Dunsparce! (of all pokemon!)
    I used Defense curl and Rollout combo. I could set up some defense againts Kakuna/Metapod, and then trigger some turns for rollout to swipe.
    This strategy worked very well againts Whitney, as Dunsparce single handedly took out Clefairy+Miltank.
    Im on my 15th badge right now, and has never dissapointed me with serene grace+headbutt+glare combo, and it naturally get roost. I think the little guy deserves some love... (C tier?).

    • @KrxkenZ
      @KrxkenZ 2 роки тому

      Yes he got rly great learnset aswell i had a serene grace ancient power dunsparce in a rom hack(he was not buffed but still he was helpful af)

  • @PoketechShraeder
    @PoketechShraeder 4 роки тому +11

    Gen 3 Defensive Thick Fat Azumarill owns Flannery and is pretty useful all around if you don't pick Mudkip, but it definitely loses relevance late game and devolves into an HM slave

    • @theonlyshinyumbreon
      @theonlyshinyumbreon 3 роки тому +4

      I'm scared of your profile picture where can I get it?

    • @PoketechShraeder
      @PoketechShraeder 3 роки тому +3

      @@theonlyshinyumbreon If you image search "dank mudkip" you should be able to find it pretty quickly

  • @Shinydrybones
    @Shinydrybones 2 роки тому +12

    I like how Kingdra ended up next to Dragonite, while Seadra got a spot below Magcargo even though it's nearly identical to Kingdra, save for the dragon typing and special def.

    • @jonconstant3914
      @jonconstant3914 Рік тому +1

      yeah besides its redeeming qualities its absolute trash. dumb.

    • @reillywalker195
      @reillywalker195 Рік тому +1

      Magcargo is slow and takes quad damage from Ground and Water moves, so using it's not exactly easy. It also evolves from Slugma (a terrible Pokémon) rather late and, in Gen II, it's also not available until the postgame.

    • @lyg483
      @lyg483 5 місяців тому

      Think that due to the dragon type Kingdra has no weakness except to dragon and fairy, and there are 5 gens where Fairy doesn't exist.
      Kingdra also learns ice beam and blizzard, so most of the dangerous dragons can get oneshoot by it

  • @miscellaneoof
    @miscellaneoof 3 роки тому +17

    Girafarig kinda destroys the ghost gym, but it falls off so quickly, used one on a playthrough and ended up replacing it

    • @maninthetrenchcoat5603
      @maninthetrenchcoat5603 Рік тому

      You can't get Girafarig in Gen 2 until after you get Surf though

    • @reillywalker195
      @reillywalker195 Рік тому

      ​@@maninthetrenchcoat5603Yes, you can if you go through Mt Mortar to Mahogany Town.

  • @magiicarpe3950
    @magiicarpe3950 Рік тому +3

    Ledian gets screens lvl14, baton pass lvl24, swords dance (TM75) , and agility lvl36 (HGSS). He's very underated imo and can even be usefull in the late game

  • @tylerd1297
    @tylerd1297 4 роки тому +10

    Feraligatr and Totodile are good for so many reasons in GSC I don't understand how you don't see any use for it. Totodile can beat every single battle without items up until Ecruteak City with zero optional battles whatsoever from Lv 5. No other Pokemon can do that. That pretty much makes it as good as Typhlosion at that point which is stuck relying on Flame Wheel and Fire Punch.

    • @paigey-poo4235
      @paigey-poo4235 4 роки тому +10

      I think it’s at least partially because all the water types are just so good. I mean they just hand you a Gyarados! Free of charge. Quagsire isn’t hard to come by, the event lapras makes Lance look like a joke, they’re all good but when all of them are good they all kind of look average.
      Personally I usually choose Totodile just because between that and the event Gyarados I can have all the water HM’s spread across 2 mons rather than shove them all into one and cram its move set with one type.
      Like In my current HG file my Feraligatr has surf so I could free up a move slot on Gyarados to have it know both earthquake and avalanche, along with waterfall and... oh god what’s its last slot I can’t remember. I was legit playing earlier today why can’t I remember??? Point is the only thing my Gyarados shouldn’t switch in on is an electric type that out speeds it, cause it wrecks house if it gets a single hit in and he’s my baby and I love him 💜💜💜💜

    • @mars.unreal
      @mars.unreal 4 роки тому +2

      He doesnt play official/base games, only hard hacks. I think he should mention that this is influencing his decisions.

  • @MrJoeyGregan
    @MrJoeyGregan 3 роки тому +15

    pokemon silver was the first game I had on my GBC years ago, I thought the pokemon were cool and useful. After watching this I've realized that was all a lie and the gen is almost useless.. lol

  • @noah5664
    @noah5664 2 роки тому +3

    My HG slowpoke just died to a pursuit I didn’t know the opponent had. RIP Gumby you will be missed :(

  • @tiberiuscave4617
    @tiberiuscave4617 4 роки тому +14

    I'm really happy lil' Wobbuffet is given due credit for being quite good

    • @staraptorflock3661
      @staraptorflock3661 4 роки тому

      In Sword and Shield it's an easy S you can kill a Gigantimax Pokémon for free

  • @cgdavidson
    @cgdavidson 4 роки тому +13

    I’m a big ol’ fan of Adamant Guts Ursaring with Facade.

    • @cgdavidson
      @cgdavidson 4 роки тому +1

      Make it hold a Toxic Orb, use Protect the first round, Poison and Guts kick in, wreck house with Facade.

    • @Budew-ef6tr
      @Budew-ef6tr 4 роки тому +3

      @@cgdavidson You mean Flame Orb? Toxic Orb is inferior to 6% with no ATK decrease

    • @cgdavidson
      @cgdavidson 4 роки тому +1

      @@Budew-ef6tr does it not decrease ATK when burned by the Flame Orb? If that's the case, then absolutely, that's the better option.

    • @cgdavidson
      @cgdavidson 4 роки тому

      @@Budew-ef6tr thanks for that! Good looking out, my Budew-y Bro.

    • @Budew-ef6tr
      @Budew-ef6tr 4 роки тому +3

      @@cgdavidson Of course! I'll always help a amigo out!

  • @nickglaza
    @nickglaza 3 роки тому +5

    Hey @PokemonChallenges you're one of my favorite youtubers, I love your mathematic and encyclopedic knowledge of pokemon! Do you ever consider smogon mega stuff or just solo type pokemon?

  • @pervysage5465
    @pervysage5465 3 роки тому +3

    I do think there is a reason to pick Feraligatr. And that reasons is my interest since I was six:
    HUGE ALLIGATOR.

  • @Ockto_
    @Ockto_ 4 роки тому +12

    A lot of people thought Skarmory is Gen 3. I knew. But I thought Lanturn was Gen 3.

    • @Ghost0fDeath1
      @Ghost0fDeath1 4 роки тому

      I tiught it too i don't know why i even plsyed gold and silver when i was a kid

    • @Ockto_
      @Ockto_ 4 роки тому +8

      @@Ghost0fDeath1 I think that was because Skarmory was a lot more prominent in gen 3 than it as in gen 2.
      Skarmory is a very prominent encounter in the Dusty route in Hoenn. As well as it being the leading Pokémon of Champion Steven.
      We al remember the Toxic's this thing spread on our mons.

    • @Lumix_Corrupt
      @Lumix_Corrupt 4 роки тому +2

      I used to think magcargo was gen 3

    • @scrunkore
      @scrunkore 3 роки тому +3

      so many gen 2 pokemon only became relevant in gen 3, really bad distribution in johto

  • @jamieyeomans3778
    @jamieyeomans3778 4 роки тому +13

    "Very ok" "so niche" "so bad"

  • @canaldecasta
    @canaldecasta 4 роки тому +8

    Wobbufet eats Claires Kingdra in Stadium 2(rentals)
    Top tier

  • @alberthcuayla1587
    @alberthcuayla1587 4 роки тому +5

    I think that Girafarig had a very Powerful Niche.
    It learns Baton Pass + Agility, and possibly CM. For Late game can win you Elite 4 Fight because IA can't deal with BP Strategies.

  • @demi-femme4821
    @demi-femme4821 2 роки тому +7

    Suicune isn't just super late-game in HGSS.
    It's post-game. You have to find it in Kanto, and it's still level 40.

  • @joetatos8687
    @joetatos8687 3 роки тому +5

    Ariados with sniper imo is pretty useful, learns shadowsneak at 19 and evoles at 22 plus can learn dig which is great for making AI waste a move, idk I think he should be ranked a bit higher?

  • @thatdyingapplehd9872
    @thatdyingapplehd9872 3 роки тому +3

    Bullet Punch isn't an egg move. Can be learned by move reminder and gets upon evo. It can't have it as an egg move.

  • @biggiecheess
    @biggiecheess 3 роки тому +4

    Shuckle is op for nuzelocke you can stall with rest and can prevent your better Pokemon from dying since it has insane defense stats.

    • @Amelia4111
      @Amelia4111 3 роки тому

      NUZLOCKE IS NOT SPELLED WITH 2 E'S!

  • @federicorusso4368
    @federicorusso4368 3 роки тому +4

    In Jotho games skarmory destroyes the elite four, steel resisting dark, ghost and Psychic is 100% busted

    • @Amelia4111
      @Amelia4111 3 роки тому +1

      THE H IN JOHTO SHOULD BE BEFORE THE T, NOT AFTER THE T! AND DESTROYS IS NOT SPELLED WITH 2 E'S!

    • @rhanupradipta7100
      @rhanupradipta7100 3 роки тому +2

      @@Amelia4111 Oh great. You again.

  • @rboss5919
    @rboss5919 3 роки тому +1

    Clicked on the first video of yours that popped up in my feed. Trying to confirm that Crits do not bypass damage-reducing berries before finalizing my E4 strategy for Bruno. Also no joke, Lanturn and Quagsire are literally carrying my run right now.

  • @serpent2776
    @serpent2776 3 роки тому +8

    8:29 And that's how TTar beat the insurgence nuzlocke

  • @becausesakamoto5938
    @becausesakamoto5938 4 роки тому +7

    Dunsparce is awesome bro, I had it on my team as a meme mon throughout a Black 2 locke and all of my team members died except for it during my elite 4 challenge so I pumped it with all of my rare candies and swept the rest of the bosses with coil + return, drill run, and wild charge

    • @becausesakamoto5938
      @becausesakamoto5938 4 роки тому +1

      @Pott Rott I'm not surprised considering how overlevelled that is lmao

  • @lordquastheonly
    @lordquastheonly 4 роки тому +6

    Feraligatr is broken in hgss it has really good coverage and evolves super early you get it at level 30

    • @johnwest6690
      @johnwest6690 4 роки тому +2

      And it's a god HM slave

    • @dingolucky
      @dingolucky 4 роки тому +2

      Feraligatr is a titan.

    • @itzsquishy3712
      @itzsquishy3712 3 роки тому +5

      It makes the other starters look like piss ants dude. Waterfall ice punch/fang/ dragon dance/ crunch/superpower. It absolutely fucks up claire, destroys lance in e4, rivals meganium is garbage anyways, overall feraligatr makes everything it’s bitch, just set up ddance and you can sweep everything and anything...

    • @lordquastheonly
      @lordquastheonly 3 роки тому +1

      @@itzsquishy3712 i don’t think you get d dance but regardless your right gatr just shits on both johto and kanto

    • @renna4216
      @renna4216 3 роки тому

      Fuck yeah he is. Waterfall/Aqua Tail, Earthquake, Ice Punch* & Crunch. You can cover more and hit harder with Superpower but I don't care for the stat decrease.

  • @dank_tank4725
    @dank_tank4725 4 роки тому +5

    Jan: uploads a stream I watched
    Me: It’s even better the second time!

  • @EBroxas72
    @EBroxas72 4 роки тому +11

    Pretty decent tier list but there's two things that I disagree on:
    1: I think misdreavus is not F tire Worthy. It would be below or around sneasel's ranking. And here's why
    It's pretty decent In hgss because you can get it right before Chuck and can easily wall his entire team and gym as a whole, and if you're ranking sneasel just for Will's fight alone then it's a bit hypocritical not to do the same for chuck.
    though it's takes a while before you can get a dusk stone in hgss so that is a bit dampening, and if you're playing Colosseum with partial nuzlocke rules it is fantastic throughout that game with synergies with double battles. And is already considered one of the best Pokemon in that game's meta.
    (IDK if there is any eviolite strategies in gen 5 and onwards?) And In pearl it's okayish while you wait to get a desk Stone
    And do you really think Togetic is worse than Farfetch'd when if you're playing a johoto game you'll guarantee have a To have one on your team while Farfetch'd you have to go out of your way or be unlucky with your route encounter to obtain?
    I think everything else is pretty on point but those two stuck out to me.

    • @mars.unreal
      @mars.unreal 4 роки тому

      "In hgss because you can get it right before Chuck and can easily wall his entire team and gym as a whole"
      He doesnt really play canon/official games. So no cheesing of entire gym fights is taken into account here.

    • @itzsquishy3712
      @itzsquishy3712 3 роки тому +1

      @@mars.unreal that’s why his opinion is sort of hard to go with, because he trashed on moms that are able to be used just because he can’t use them in his rom hacks.. either way no one would come out happy when he shits on some favourites lol

    • @superlombax1561
      @superlombax1561 Рік тому +1

      ​@@mars.unrealNot to mention you can't wall Chuck in HeartGold and SoulSilver because Primeape gets Rock Slide and Poliwrath gets Surf. So either way Misdreavus is getting hit hard there.

  • @Former_Gamer
    @Former_Gamer 4 роки тому +1

    Forretress gets bug bite early on even as Pineco which can eat gym leader Sitrus berries and does decent damage, But Steelix gets stab EQ so it has more of a direct offensive presence.
    Forretress gets toxic spikes with heart scale tutor which is pretty decent.
    In HGSS you can buy dual screens for Forretress at the Goldenrod department store.
    Against pokemon with fire and ground or fire and fighting moves, Foretress will always bait fire from opponents while Steelix might bait a type you don't want.
    Forretress has higher attack than Steelix but just barely.
    Basically Forretress has got to be at least as good a Steelix overall imho...

  • @kingofsauce1319
    @kingofsauce1319 4 роки тому +4

    I disagree with your assessment of shuckle
    Provided you are committed to longer battles it's consistently safe to switch in and stall 90% of the time, and I'm not familiar with its pre gen 5 learnset but after that, it's actually pretty decent, power split when you get it will often allow it to actually kill things while maintaining its stupid high defence
    For Nuzlockes I consider it an easy A tier given its raw consistency and with emulator speed up the extra time battles take isn't an issue (I've used it in about 3 separate Nuzlockes and it never died on me once)

  • @drdapprace2030
    @drdapprace2030 4 роки тому +3

    Mr incredible : pro nuzlocker is pro nuzlocker
    Twin man man : i know

  • @dadragonbroplays7245
    @dadragonbroplays7245 3 роки тому +1

    I’m not the best when it comes to which Pokémon is better than others, and I was still confused when you said unknown was a tier for a sec

  • @vishalnagaraj5343
    @vishalnagaraj5343 3 роки тому +3

    When they make a Johto game again they need to buff:
    Jumpluff
    Noctowl
    Stantler

    • @scrunkore
      @scrunkore 3 роки тому

      noctowl has seen some improvement in more recent gens but still not enough

  • @typhlosion7872
    @typhlosion7872 2 роки тому +1

    Probably been pointed out by every commenter already, but the people in Twitch chat telling you Bullet Punch was an egg move on Scizor are wrong. It's a level 1 move, so you just need a Heart Scale

  • @tristanwheeler2514
    @tristanwheeler2514 3 роки тому +13

    Seeing Feraligatr called garbage as my favorite starter :( understandable though

    • @travv88
      @travv88 3 роки тому

      ikr

    • @Scruffy3870
      @Scruffy3870 3 роки тому +1

      Nah Feraligatr gets sheer force and has an amazing moveset it’s far better than lanturn he just ranked it low because water types are common and because he factored in that the special physical split wasn’t until gen 4 which is dumb

    • @deccs6548
      @deccs6548 3 роки тому +2

      @@Scruffy3870 ok I'm a big totodile line fan but theres no way it's better than lanturn. Volt absorb for free hp after pivots and slow volt switches for damage as well as decent defences make lanturn better imo.

    • @Scruffy3870
      @Scruffy3870 3 роки тому

      @@deccs6548 Feraligatr has overall better damage and a really good level up moveset plus laturn is quite difficult to get and is usually obtained later on into the game plus volt absorb isnt a guarantee since only 50% have volt absorb and volt switch wasn’t introduced until gen 5
      All of Feraligatrs stats besides HP are higher than lanturns too
      The main reason it was probably ranked lower was because it’s a water type starter not because it’s actually weak

    • @deccs6548
      @deccs6548 3 роки тому +6

      @@Scruffy3870 the same way that only 50% of lanturns get VA, sheer force gatr is incredibly rare since it's a HA. And yes while feraligatr does more damage, lanturn has a better typing and is special which is great pre gen 4. Coupled with volt absorb/water absorb (its hidden ability) giving it free switch ins to two prevalent types in many games just makes it better imo, even without volt switching. Then again, this is my opinion and you did bring up some good points about feraligatr, I just think being a bulky dual type with more resists makes lanturn slightly better..

  • @dudebro2638
    @dudebro2638 4 роки тому +2

    You're sleeping on Politoad, got him as my starter in my first nuzlocke and he carried half the team Perish Song, Muddy Water, hypnosis and ice beam.

    • @liasbreen2318
      @liasbreen2318 4 роки тому

      I agree you absolute Chad, I played gen 1 nuzlocke myself and got muk with sleep, toxic, acid armor, minimize.

    • @Amelia4111
      @Amelia4111 4 роки тому

      There is no A in Politoed!

  • @Zachpi
    @Zachpi Рік тому

    Bro the octillery disrespect is unreal, solid bulk, decent spatk/atk, and an insanely deep movepool, I use that thing all the time

  • @Valbertoog
    @Valbertoog Рік тому

    I love the way Jan pronounces pokemon names

  • @jorgehuertas3995
    @jorgehuertas3995 3 роки тому +2

    Watching this after EK is amazing

  • @dullahan4461
    @dullahan4461 5 місяців тому

    Dunsparce in early hgss sweeps the first four gyms and provides early sleep and para with a massive early game hp pool and stab headbutt. Unironically the best early game encounter

  • @TheWonkster
    @TheWonkster 3 роки тому +2

    If you're talking about gen 2 then Feraligatr is cheeks. If you're talking gen 4; it hits like a fucking truck, has good bulk, isn't the slowest thing in the world, has good coverage, and isn't a fat rabbit.

  • @Amber_xo_133
    @Amber_xo_133 3 роки тому

    Typhlosion,Ampharos,Heracross,Lugia,Steelix,Celebi,Entei,Suicune,Raikou,Umbreon and Espeon are my favorite Gen 2 Pokémon ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @teddyhaines6613
    @teddyhaines6613 3 роки тому

    A while back I used an Eeveelution Baton Pass team to take on Ultra Necrozma. My game plan was to give Umbreon a couple Roto Boosts so it wouldn't be in danger of dying to Dragon Pulse, then nerf its SpAtk with a few Snarls so that Espeon could set up Calm Minds on it. I wound up ditching that plan after seeing that its +2 STAB Snarl was a 3-hit KO, and just soloed Ultra Necrozma with it.

  • @SixSamuraiUnited
    @SixSamuraiUnited 3 роки тому +2

    I think if you got Magcargo around level 25, it’d be a lot better

    • @reillywalker195
      @reillywalker195 Рік тому

      Yes, and if you could catch Slugma in the Burned Tower rather than in Gen II's postgame.

  • @eliashornwall8546
    @eliashornwall8546 2 роки тому

    I think that shuckle receiving both sticky web and stealth rock is really overlooked. Having both of those on a defensive pokémon makes it really great as a lead, especially vs flying gyms or bug gyms. Slap on rock slide and toxic, and it’s actually pretty usable; high B-tier. Of course it’s power scales with the number of Pokémon that your opponent has, so it’s pretty bad early-mid game, but it’s really worth for the elite four, for example.
    It’s good enough to have been used in gen 7 anything goes, for fucks sake.

  • @evanhernandez5378
    @evanhernandez5378 Рік тому +1

    Boi did politaod dirty

  • @tylerbrooks6063
    @tylerbrooks6063 3 роки тому +6

    Yay! Houndoom's my favorite mon! So happy to see it highly rated haha.
    In my casual nuzlocke's I straight up cheat and pretend he doesn't get KO'd if, you know... he gets KO'd.

  • @diegoxavier9107
    @diegoxavier9107 Рік тому

    I still quote 15:22 on a daily basis in a variety of contexts. It's such a good line

  • @reillywalker195
    @reillywalker195 Рік тому

    13:01 You can only get Sneasel before Will in Crystal. In Gold and Silver, it's locked to Mt Silver.

  • @entothechesnautknight1762
    @entothechesnautknight1762 3 роки тому +2

    I'm interested to know how these change with randomizers, especially pokemon like Feraligator.

  • @aexlife
    @aexlife 4 роки тому +5

    Bruh Feraligatr is maybe the most efficient pokemon in a GSC playthrough?

    • @mars.unreal
      @mars.unreal 4 роки тому +8

      He doesnt play official games. Hes pretty underwhelming when playing harder roms.

    • @renna4216
      @renna4216 3 роки тому +1

      Not in GSC, but def in HG/SS. He gets baller physical moves.

  • @woozleweazle6741
    @woozleweazle6741 4 роки тому +1

    bug stone ground were completly forgotten till gen 4 in case of usefull moves without tm

  • @RenegadeShepTheSpacer
    @RenegadeShepTheSpacer 2 роки тому

    "Never mind, fuck Piloswine."
    Lmao

  • @Gug2nd
    @Gug2nd 6 місяців тому

    Revisiting the tier list, that murkrow stonks going up a lot lately

  • @spencerclements3005
    @spencerclements3005 2 роки тому

    the fact that all your chat didn't tell you that Suicune is a story line stationary legendary in HGSS just like in Crystal was sad to me. but I loved the video

  • @wrocco8761
    @wrocco8761 2 роки тому +1

    I’m a bit surprised that charizard and typhlosion are that far apart just for pflying type

  • @thatweirdone1515
    @thatweirdone1515 Місяць тому

    Girafarig is definitely a bit underrated, in the gen 2 games at least. Immune to ghost while still being able to hit back gengar and haunter with stab psychic is good, can completely walls Will and can hit hard with shadow ball. Koga can be tricky with the bug types but I don't think they have any great bug moves to hit girafarig. Bruno isn't too bad even with neutral fighting damage since girafarig can outspeed everyone except his hitmonlee. Walls Sabrina and destroys her with Shadow ball. It's not the best, I'm sure other pokemon can do what it does better, it's just underrated imo. In the other games i have no idea, this is just gen 2.

  • @dalton9493
    @dalton9493 3 роки тому +2

    Uhhhhhhh this channel is uhhhhhh amazing

  • @skylerstevens8887
    @skylerstevens8887 2 роки тому +1

    Wobbafett countered freaking Giratina in the Anime, fear the Wobbafett!

  • @Glow0110
    @Glow0110 Рік тому

    Awesome lists! Would be great to have a text version to more easily look at.

  • @tiniplayz
    @tiniplayz 4 роки тому +13

    When u gonna do gen 3

  • @staraptorflock3661
    @staraptorflock3661 4 роки тому +6

    Wobbefett is incredible is Sword and Shield

  • @TheJH1015
    @TheJH1015 2 роки тому +1

    alright Dunsparce is NOT an F tier, it's really bulky and has good STAB moves. Also gets Glare for speed control+Paralysis.

  • @yannrsa
    @yannrsa 2 роки тому

    In gen 3, Azu shits on over half the gyms, huge power or not. Send it out, defense curl + rollout and you sweep basically 6/8 gyms.
    If it's huge power then you can do the same thing to multiple E4 members.

  • @Shamdizzle
    @Shamdizzle Рік тому

    Look at the other 'bad' Pokémon from Gen 1 & 2 that got some love in the form of regionals and new evos. When we compare Ledian to them, I have full confidence in something huge coming for it. It just makes sense to have something like a fighting regional form...or final evolution that solidifies it's role.
    Been in my thoughts for a while - I seriously think its in the works. Especially now that pokemon like Dunsparce and Forretress got some help! 😁

  • @evanhernandez5378
    @evanhernandez5378 Рік тому +1

    Politaod and kingdra da manz

  • @nate_venture
    @nate_venture 2 роки тому

    Is it weird that watching these really makes me want to try and do an F-Tier nuzlocke? Like HGSS, no dupes, maybe route restriction removed, but only allowed to catch what PC ranks as F-tier. No evolving above them either so no Ambipom/Honchkrow/Steelix/etc. Just seems like an interesting way to force some VERY tight team crafting.

  • @christianthomey7352
    @christianthomey7352 Рік тому

    if you can somehow manage to get ice fang before the first gym in HG/SS, Crocanaw is the best starter for the first two gyms. Then again, raising any of your pokemon up to level 21 before the first gym will sweep them all anyway lol.

  • @bananaspice1967
    @bananaspice1967 4 роки тому +5

    Sad Piloswine noises

  • @mcihele
    @mcihele 4 роки тому +6

    After this video the F tier Will be full I feel that

  • @quaggyboi8699
    @quaggyboi8699 3 роки тому +1

    Quaggy Boi Approves

  • @disiiii
    @disiiii 2 роки тому +1

    Mantine is A tier and I’m tired of pretending it’s not, water type blissey

  • @PermaDraws
    @PermaDraws Рік тому

    Azumarill is way to good that he didn't even know where to put it

  • @seanforbes1034
    @seanforbes1034 3 роки тому

    Poliwrath is ma boi. Maybe not for PvP but his stats are buff for a regular playthrough

  • @rboss5919
    @rboss5919 3 роки тому

    Ye. Marcargo and Coalossal...destroyed by two of the most common non-normal typings.

  • @archieflynnholing8023
    @archieflynnholing8023 Рік тому

    Scizor should be in S tier cause I used one in a hg/ss playthrough and it destroyed everything with technician bullet punch+swordsdance and even destroyed red ohko'ing every mon except charizard

  • @aidinexmachina4232
    @aidinexmachina4232 3 роки тому

    Dragon Roost Island
    Nice, very nice.

  • @MrGG-rz3he
    @MrGG-rz3he 2 роки тому

    Putting that Stantler above my boy Azumarill broke my heart D;

  • @gaberobison680
    @gaberobison680 2 роки тому

    Dude Umbreon with Foul Play is spicy

  • @Proletenpoet
    @Proletenpoet 3 роки тому

    Hey, Smeargle with Spore, Belly Drum, Baton Pass and especially Explosion makes this Pokémon the ultimate destroyer even for rock and steel types but ok, admittedly, in Nuzlockes using Explosion is not the best idea.

  • @Mickeykaline
    @Mickeykaline 3 роки тому +1

    Can you make a video explaining EVs and IVs please

  • @sandjgaez257
    @sandjgaez257 3 роки тому

    1:08 HE CAN WALK!

  • @kingsinge1324
    @kingsinge1324 4 роки тому +4

    @dobbs what are your thoughts on furret? 01:07