War Thunder HOW will the GERMAN TECH TREE (Air) look like in the FUTURE? Eurofighters? MiG-29G?
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- Опубліковано 29 кві 2023
- Hey guys taking a quick look on the way that the Tech tree from Germany will look like in the future!
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I think the F-35A should sit after the Tornado's as it replaces them as a fighter bomber, with the Eurofighter being more focused on Air to Air combat
It will be years before 5th gen fighters are added
@@annoyinggull nah months
@@spacemane_official What crack are you on we barely have 10 4th gens and we still havent even added the gripen or f-15 or su-27 yet what makes you think well get 5th gens?
@@annoyinggull it also will be like years till they are in germany xD
And to the initial comment: that's why they purchased the F-35A
@@geography5637 they have been upping the rate of adding new vehicles as they need ways to increase sales
I think the Typhoon should be called "Eurofighter" (in the German TT), in Germany it is called that, never heard Typhoon in Germany considering the German air forces
The full Name is eurofighter typhoon so it isnt wrong to say typhoon
Just the name I went with when making it, either works.
@@MLGPXLWLFlp That's right. Just a personal preference
@@fabihubi7039 "WaSys Eurofighter", if you want the german exactness ;)
@@felixhamm3715 i hope they do exactly that xD
The F4F ICE and Tornadoes can also carry the IRIST. There are also a bunch of small attack aircraft they could add but I doubt they will.
But whether they will due to balancing is questionable at best.
@@lazylime8046 the IRISTs are only real broken on the later versions. On the ICE and early integration on the tornado they are basically just a very good AIM9L with lock range out to 10km, extreme mobility and basically immune to flares. On the EF and the newest Tornado you would basically unlock their full potential with the later EF getting 360° coverage. For the later ones they would be OP. Also Greece used them on their F4s so maybe a premium version is possible for the US.
what abt the brimstone for uk typhoon XD
@@SnipR9 I would like to see that since on paper they are very good. Germany has also ordered some for their EF.
@@exo068 I meant that to have them, you'd need to drastically raise BR's, which would make the vehicles even more of a strugglefest.
Aside from top tier content, there are quite a lot of planes that could still be added for Germany.
WW2 era:
- Bf 109T - carrier variant intended for the Graf Zeppelin, multiple T-1 and T-2 aircraft built. Similar to E-models but with naval equipment and longer wing.
- Bf 109 H - high altitude variant based on the F-series. Eventually based on the G-5. Increased wing span with sort of spacers installed between fuselage and regular 109 F/G wing. Small number of aircraft built, but not put into mass production. H-0 pre-production aircraft equipped with DB 601E with GM-1 boost, H-1 production variant equipped with DB 605A with GM-1 boost.
- Bf 109 TL, proposed 109-based jet design instead of Me 262. Never reached prototype stage, but interesting design nonetheless.
- Me 209-II (1943), basically an adaptation to equip Bf 109 with DB 603G engine - although the final production version probably would have used Jumo 213A engine. Four prototypes built.
- Me 309 and proposed Me 609 (309-zwilling), four prototype aircraft built
- Me 509, a proposed mid-engine, forward cockpit fighter design based on the Me 309 project. Cancelled along with the Me 309 project but looks really neat.
- Heinkel He 280, first turbojet-powered fighter aircraft in the world. Nine aircraft built, but not put into production in favour of the Me 262.
- Arado Ar 240/440
- Me 263 (improved Komet, three aircraft built but did not fly under own power - just as gliders)
- Ju 287 (we have Ar 234 at home), one aircraft finished and flown, and the second almost finished. Prototypes had fixed landing gear, production variant (Ju 287 V3) was intended to have retractable landing gear.
- Me 262 HG I (V9 prototype modified with low drag canopy), one aircraft built and tested.
- Me 262 HG II and HG III, proposed modifications with increased wing sweep angle and V-tail for the HG II (although this was changed back to conventional tail after unfavourable wind tunnel tests)
...and there are probably some other pretty wild designs that did fly but were so outlandish even the Germans didn't want to go ahead with them.
Aside from the Bf 109 TL, Me 509, and perhaps the Me 262 HG II and HG III, all these aircraft have at least as much of a right to be introduced to War Thunder as the Ho 229 V3 did. As we all know, only the Ho 229 V2 flew under its own power - V3 was never finished and never flew. So not only is it completely fair to expect some of these aircraft in the game at some point in the future, as long as some version of them was built and flew. Same pattern can be seen with the Japanese Kikka, where the aircraft only flew once as an unfinished prototype, but Gaijin have implemented the proposed production variant(s) as one single aircraft.
As for early Cold War content - the Argentinian Pulqui II at the very least is a likely addition to German tech tree at some point. Aero L-39 Albatros could be possible for either German or Soviet tech tree.
Especially the L39ZA as it had 1500kg of bombs and could equip r3s and r13m1s
I mean you he problem with that is the reason the weird prototypes were added is because the rules used to be different for adding them, and the kikka is 100% necessary for Japan(and the R2Y2s, please don’t remove them) so sadly these ww2 sillies won’t be added, and they don’t care about ww2 props anymore qhich sucks
@@notafrog2040 I agree and I would also say Japanese tech tree needs some additional WW2 jet fighters - so even though the Ki-201 Karyu wasn't finished, I think that at least should be added to fill in the tech tree voids.
The J7W2 Shinden-Kai (vaguely proposed jet-powered variant of the J7W Shinden) could be possible, with the advantage that the propeller-driven version at least did fly. Much like the propeller-driven R2Y Keiun did fly, and that was then enough for Gaijin to add the three separate R2Y2 variants to the game.
But in all fairness, most of the planes I listed above are perfectly viable candidates. Many of them had actual production variants built, most of them at least prototypes or pre-production variants. Like I said, the only ones that were definitely never completed were the Me 509 and 609, Bf 109 TL, and the Me 262 HG II and HG III. And the Me 263 didn't fly under its own power, but that hasn't stopped Gaijin before.
Aside from these, there are already planes in tech trees like US or USSR that had fewer airframes built. The Curtiss XP-55 Ascender for example had three airframes built, and it's present as a premium in US tech tree. The Me 309 for example had four aircraft built.
Similarly, you could look at the I-185 which has two variants (!) in the Soviet tech tree. Regular tech tree plane that never went into mass production; A total of four aircraft were built, which were tested with the Shvetsov M-82 and M-71 engines, hence the two variants.
So these numbers are definitely comparable between the German prototypes and US/Soviet prototypes.
The VFW-Fokker VAK 191 B would also be a nice addition. It was only an experimental aircraft but its quite unique
armarment?
@@notafrog2040 xp 50
The fact that we don’t have the f-4f ice yet is crazy
The Eurocaptor M variant is a monster, better than many AESA radars, so no joke with that radar.
The tranche 4 is already in production and the main users of that variant are Germany with 40 I think and Spain with 20 right now and expected to be more in the future
The thing with EF2000 is the hability to carry lots of misiles 4-2 aim9 and 8 aim120 in the T-1, and ones it reaches the T-2 It gains the hability of carrying the IRIST and Meteor with also the hability of carrying GBU and targeting pods. Ones it reaches the T-3/4 gets the hability of carrying antiradar misiles and antiship misiles
there is no PESA variant of the captor. there is M scan which is Captor-C and Captor-D(or M) and AESA which is CAPTOR-E
@@regioammiraglio7500 I never said that they are using. I say that are under construction
@@ser43_OLDC and about the users, Italy will very probably start to built some more Eurofighter for replace the AMX (and probably those will be Trance 4)
@@regioammiraglio7500 right now Italy hasn't confirmed. So the only users are Germany and Spain, talking about the T4
@@ser43_OLDC there is n PESA Captor, it’s either M scan or AESA.
What makes even the M scan very good is the fact that it uses solid state very energy efficient and very powerful for its size. It is not however electronically scanned, it still scans mechanically like older radars.
The Rafale did come with PESA technology, though.
ngl, didnt expect a pic of a phantom form the airbase near my hometown lol
Add in the Argentinian A-4M and A-4AR Skyhawks in rank 6 after the F-84F to bridge that chasm and we're golden
tbh I think what we may see in the future is a minor tech tree for their air tree with someone such as the dutch or the austrians as those two options give either the f18 or the Gripen. In order to have a stopgap between the current planes and the Typhoon
Neither the Netherlands or Austria fly either the Hornet or Gripen.
Austria has low spec Typhoons and the Netherlands are transitioning from F-16's to F-35's.
Itd make sense with the netherlands as their military recently fully merged with germanys, however i dont think the netherlands use the f18
@@FallenPhoenix86looking back I meant the Swiss my b
I could see the ICE coming in an early and late variant, as they could carry up to AIM-9X and by splitting them up, Gaijin could ease the transition from the F-4 to the EF-2000.
The Typhons would then be rank 9, the F-35 rank 10 giving us even rankings.
And if they add a rank 8 premium MiG-29G, they could make it Polish as well.
They could add the mig 29 ub as a premium
@@vincentreim8962 Dude, it's been 8 years of me playing this game, if they don't add Poland this year they never will. It doesn't even make sense, so many full blown tech trees for Poland are made on the forums. Plus it's not copy and paste, they have a crap ton of their own vehicles. If they actually merge Poland with Germany idk what to say..
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polish mig-29 sounds good for a prem but it will start becoming super unbalanced once they add 5th gens so i doubt "ranks" would be a thing by then atleast when matchmaking
the F-35 would go after the tornadoes because it will be used for strike missions. Eurofighter does Air superiority stuff.
Tranche 4s are in production and will be delivered from 2025 onwards which is also the time frame where the tranche 2 and 3s are getting the same AESA radar(captor-e Mk 1).
All of the eurofighters can technically carry 10 missiles with 8 of those being amraams or meteors because all of the pylons except for the outer most ones and the single centre fuselage one are capable of carrying weapons(including air to air missiles).
there will also be the Eurofighter ECR soon which will replace the Tornado ECR and include jammer pods.
The f35 is a multirole fighter. So are the eurofighters, that's why it would go after the eurofighters
@@viktorberg1837 yeay but the Tornados will be replaced by the F35A so it would make sense to me putting it behind the Tornados
@@einstein3100 no. That's not how gaijin does things
@@viktorberg1837 Eh, F35 is very impressive with its capabilities but it will shit bricks in a dogfight with a Typhoon especially considering the Typhoon can pick a fight whenever and wherever as long as the F35 is spotted. Imo they shouldn't be even in the same line to begin with, in modern terms both are multirole fighters but the F35 excels in strike roles while being outside of enemy vision and radar while the Eurofighter is best at fighting jets without the same airframe dynamics lmao. They kinda do have their own roles they heavily excel in even if technically defined as multirole because of their absurd capabilities.
If we consider the current map size in WT the Typhoons should actually be placed higher if in the same line since they will probably dominate every match, you're not going to have a f35 be somewhere in the stratosphere lobbing missiles at you all match, eventually they will run out of fuel or be spotted at which point they will be easy pick.
The tornado assta2 would be a good addition because it could carry the irs-t aam and it could carry the electronic defense pod instead of one of the flare pods, and I’m pretty sure the assta1 could also use it
I would assume Polish f-16’s would be added to the German tech tree as well.
Why the polish and not the dutch ones? The dutch armed forces have a closer link.
@@koendekortdk2198 Mainly based on the fact that there already is a Polish vehicle in the German tree.
@@milkyplays5566 yeah but there's also polish premiums in the UK tree. A dutch subtree makes more sense.
I don't like top tier premium jets. I hope planes like the mig 29 never come as a premium pack.
It is one day
my predictions are the next premium top tier will be the F14 early that’s been announced and the gripen A
@@dontworry2379 I somewhat doubt we will see a premium F-14 until we at least have a F-18 and one more F-14. The best options for a premium F-14 are either an Iranian F-14A (not an A Early like we have in-game), or a US F-14A (again not an AE) either would require at least a US F-14B, and honestly would probably require the F-14D and rank 9 alongside a F-18C or F. Now that doesn’t mean we couldn’t see a F-14 as a squadron or event vehicle sooner than that, but generally you don’t see top premiums matching what’s in the tree until what’s in the tree is a spot or two down from top tier. Right now the highest premiums are 11.3s, and required us to see 12.0s. To get a premium F-14A (again better than what we have in-game) we need to see at least 13.0 and possibly even higher than that, as it’s entirely likely an American or Iranian A would be 11.7-12.0.
@@seniorspaz8754 I am imagining the flood of money in Gaijin HQ when those premiums got released...
F18 could also come as an Swiss variation because like for example the Swiss squadron vehicle came so we could maybe see a f18
Swiss hunter shouldn't be in the German tree in the first place and i don't want to so another Swiss Air Force plane in the German tree.
why Not? It would be a great Gap filler between the f4f ICE and the typhoon. And since the German ministry of defence once even considered buying the F18 it makes even more sense
crazy how accurate this vid is
East Germany used MiG21F13, I'd love to see It in the German tree someday
You should do something like this for all nations! It would be really cool just to know a ballpark estimate of what to expect.
We've done them for most, think Sweden, the US, USSR, and Italy are the only ones left?
tbh, I don't want to see the Alphajet ICE as an prem/event vehicle, just put it in the tt or make it an upgrade package for the regular Alphajet
Ya historically for jets they put the later/more upgraded one on TT and other in events/premium. Idk if it was actually built so maybe that was the reason he put it there.
Can you do a U.S.A. version of this. This is very interesting type of video. Love your content, keep up the the good work👍🏽
Dude, it's been 8 years of me playing this game, if they don't add Poland this year they never will. It doesn't even make sense, so many full blown tech trees for Poland are made on the forums. Plus it's not copy and paste, they have a crap ton of their own vehicles.
Another aircraft you could add on this list is the Typhoon ECR/SEAD as germany is the first nation to announce that they want to buy them.
Didn't they cancel that plan? I can't really add *potential* stuff into trees, just confirmed orders and such.
@@lazylime8046 theyve added potential stuff before
@@bagelmaster2498 Like the F-16AJ? Yes, that was a massive blunder.
I think you could add all trainer variants as an event vehicle.
Correct name for the Thyphoon in the german tt would be Eurofighter Taifun
1:30 IIRC the DDR operated 76 MiG-21F-13's from 1962 to 1974.
The German Tornado ECR does not have a Cannon due to the sensors used for SEAD. And they could add Tornado ASSTA 3.1 with better CAS weapons like the GBU-54 LJDAM and the IRIS-T for AA. (I think ASSTA 2 or ASTA 3 aren't worth to add)
Or even with the Taurus cruise missile :) which could be carried from the ASSTA 2 upwards
@@ieqit4482 i would love Cruise missiles, they would give some Fair competition to aas
What a huuuuuge gap between F4F ICE and Eurofighter.
Thats insane.
They have to be be at least BR 14.0 or even higher. Same for the 5th Gen fighter jets, at least 14.7 or 15.0
Earliest Eurofighter should be in the same ballpark as F-15's and Su-27's with Fox-3 missiles.
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 around 12.3/7
He was right about the Su-22M4 :D
yeah, exacty what we need! More of these MiG-21 Buckets.... -_-
I doubt we see the Typhoon anytime soon. It entered Service in 2006. It would also add a huge balance issue as its undeniable the best generation 4 aircraft existing. I think its more likely that we get more Tornado Variants first like the ASSTA 2 and ASSTA 3 Maybe even the Tornado Recce.
I think that the Typhon will come together with the F-15 EX Eagle 2 and maybe even the SU-57 to bring something that has a little chance of winning a 1v1 with evenly skilled pilots.
Isn't the Tornado Recce just a Tornado with a Recon Pod and some Cockpit stuff? So basically what we have with the ASSTA 1 and the LITENING II pod?
@@ieqit4482 Yes but no. The ASSTA 1 originally had only the nessescary wiring but not the pod itself. So they might actually split that into two planes at one point.
Eurofighter trench 1 was interceptor so not really air to ground, eurofighter trench 2 got air to ground capability and it had aesa radar later version of it got an upgraded version, and then trench 4 will have one of the most advanced radar in use today
nope, Tranche 1 Block 5 got air to ground capabilities with GBU-16 and GBU-48
@@zahnatom yes, but it was more like an early beta add on. Real a-g capability starts with T2 block 10
The F35 is a Tornado replacement not a EF replacement. Its ment to carry out strikes and in worst case nuclear strikes.
The tech tree is missing the schnitzel-3000 blitzkreiger
Would be nice a sub tree to complement the german tech tree, probably Poland?
I hope they will really add the eurofighter
Germany has recently discussed buying f18g and f18 super hornets or f15ex aswell
i would put the f35 as a new branch parallel to the typhoon
i would put the MiG-29 prior to the Eurofighter due to Germany ''selling' it's MiG's 29's to Poland (for 1 euro...) in 2003-2004 with the Eurofighter as replacement.
Dont forget the Typhoon Electronic Warfare that will be converting 15 Typhoons to this platform.
Regarding Rank V, we could also get the P. 1101, the Ju 287, the Me 262s HG I & HG II, the Night Fighter 262 and the Me 263 a.k.a. Ju 248
With the way the Germans intend to use it IRL, the F-35 makes more sense to be put into the Ground attack Line behind thje Tornado, since it's supposed to take over its position.
ONE WHOLE YEAR and we only get the Phantome ice
Maybe you didnt think about this one, How about the Swiss F-18, as a premium or event vehicle, since they added the Hunter f58, it would make sense to have the swiss f18 too.
As a German I need to say: please no💀
@@nick7418 Why not bro D:
@@deyx18 because it’s not German. I hate vehicles that are in the „wrong“ nation
@@nick7418 Well, that is respectable, but for people that dont have their tech tree, i like it. As a Spaniard, i like to have my vehicles in Italy.
Yea, they already added the Swiss Hunter, they could also take Dutch aircraft since we work together heavily with the Bundeswehr/Luftwaffe
would love to see this for the russian tech tree. i really enjoy these formats. 👍
thank for video ;) but i think you forget one think :) when they add switzerland hunter they can add swizz F-18 too germany and that will bee cool :)
We didn't forget, we just didn't include subtrees and other nations into making this.
I feel like we could also get a Danish F-16 premium!
I didn't add any other nations to the tech tree videos, when I make them I only focus on the nation being shown; though in some instances I do include some premiums and such, but nothing more.
It’s true that the ECR DOESNT have a cannon, instead it has the ELS (Emitter locator system) and stronger engines (The RB-199 MK 105)
I hope they fill out the 70s-90s aircraft before we get the 4.5s
The F-35's should come after the tornado.
I think the F-5 and F-18 from Switzerland should stand after the F-4s, and before the F-35. The Typhoons should go after the Tornados, cause you know - joint project and in the same line as the G.91 - kinda makes sense.
I think the F-35 would be added behind the Tornado as it is it’s successor for germany
maybe a austria subtree with another typhoon and draken etc
I dont get why they would go with the Eurofighter T1, 2, etc but not the tornado ASSTA Modernization
Also technically if Gaijin was nice they could get the Ea-18 growler and super hornet since they did approve the purchase but switched to F35-A
Typhoons can also carry IRIS-T but i dont think gaijin would implement those missiles
I'd like to see upgraded polish Mig-29s
I will include those in a post-soviet nations tree.
Because poland has f16c/d and T-50 Golden Eagle, german tree may also have it, like leopard 2 pl
isnt it cool how they added the mig 29 G into the non premium German tech tree
I feel like Gaijin would make planes such as the F-35, F-22 and the Tempest as a Rank IX instead of Rank VIII
Can you make a review in the f4s?
Maybe a Poland and Belgium sub tech tree could help support the German aviation tree.
@MatAWG Whats about the F18 for Switzerland?
We don't add any vehicles from other nations when making a future tech tree video.
i'm going to buy that mig29 so hard
There are several ww2 german jets that have been pased to developers years ago, they arent on this list and they didnt even make it to the game yet.
mig29 premium bro it would be SO nice to grind german finaly
Tornado ECR could carry ARMs
Will you ever do this for us ground forces mains🥺
nice video, good job. can you make the video "the future of italian tech tree"?
he already has
@@zoopyo but it was made 5 month ago
@@MFWSGaming so?
I'll be making one soon, yeah! Just got some minor stuff I have to do first. I may start research and work on it later today.
@@zoopyo I've been going back and making all the nations' trees up to this new production standard as well as adding more vehicles with more detail than his...old...stuff...
Is it possible for other Nation's aircraft to come to Germany, example being Swiss F/A-18C
Alpha jet would be SOOO much at rank 7 and not rank 6 but year i gotta agree its all interesting stuff
The Alpha Jet A would make perfect sense for rank 6, the ICE is another story but it's an event vehicle, so the rank means nothing as that's just for progression purposes.
maybe some Swiss classic hornets
The Eurofighter is too advance like adding it would need at least the YF-23 and Mig-44 because of the capabilities of the Eurofighter is already like a 5th gen but without stealth
the ecr dont have cannons and no gun pod options
good vid,pls israel next
German have 1 intersting variant of F-4 is F-4F ICE or KWS. She have new APG-65 radar and can be load aim-120 and aim-9L. I think it should come before the Typhoon cause after WW2 german airforce is not so good
wheres the tornado adv? not only england has these , we do aswell ofc
Germany never used the ADV.
Thing is, CAS is so powerful that current 4.5 to 5th gen aircraft should sit at something like 15.0 and could not fight with current tanks. Otherwise that would make no sense
those typhoons better be folded, i aint doing allat research
could you start doing ground forces too? and btw germany doesnt have F-35A they will get them in 2030
Mat doesn't do ground
We plan to go into ground content but we have a bunch of stuff to get out of the way first.
2027*
Calling it early Germany gets the Dutch or Danish F-16’s & F-18’s
or Swiss F/A-18Cs with how they gave it the Hunter F.58
well what about a swiss f18?
controversial opinion, after the Mig 29, I think it csn be a Polish F16. The Eurotyphoon could go to after the F4F ICE since it’s on the the German column
Tech-wise polish f16s should go to the us tree. But gaijin put a british jet (hunter) into the german one. 🤷♂️
ngl you got right F4F ice but not mig 29g
F-35A behind the Tornado, because that its role in the Luftwaffe and the Mig-29G doesnt have to be Premium, just put it after the Mig-29A, the Mig-29G is just a NATO refit when the DDR joined the BRD.
I bet Gen 4.5 and 5 fighters will definitely be in Rank 9
We didn't add any ranks here as it's just a vehicle showcase.
@LazyLime Yeah I know just making a personal statement what I would think would happen 🤷♂️
Probably the most unexcited tech tree. EF2000, Phantom, Tornado, you can find better variant in other nations.
F35 and other gen 5 jets will clearly be tier 9. That way gaijin can sell tier 8 premiums for like 80 bucks and make a freakin ton of money. We all know the snail. They won’t let this opportunity pass. 😂
They would add sub nation tech trees, i wonder what nation would be with German.
Smth like Switzerland Austria or Netherlands and probably Argentina
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Tornado ASSTA 3?
Alpha soo cuute omg
Do sweden next
It is planned!
The F-16
imagine the Abram X in the USA tech tree in the future
The Abrams X is a tech demonstrator lol
@@lazylime8046 Oh it isnt an actaul tank?
@@casualbeaver Nope, just a tech demonstrator.
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no views!? damn im early
mig 29 and tornado in preium
PLEASE DO AMERICA. I love your videos
F-18 for Switzerland?