War Thunder Countries Tierlist
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Bro confused weeks with years 💀☠️
Nah, I got to BR 4.0 in 9 hours
Cap @@SCPFoundationist
@@alexismunoz2822 Of continuous non-stop grind (only arcade, air battles)
@@SCPFoundationist now do it again go from 4.0 to 8.0 and tell me how fast was it XD you have no idea
@@KrangusCZ Okay, bet
Three and a half weeks to get to top tier USSR? More like three and a half years 💀
Atleast three and a half weeks :D
@@thegreenlandicgamer if you sell your soul and mental stability yes😂
@@thegreenlandicgamer You're right
I played about 9 hours on USSR tech tree and I am at 4.0 BR
Yes, I play only arcade, I get more points in arcade than in realistic battles
@@thegreenlandicgamer as a person who never had a premium accout or premium vehicles.
Nah bro i don't want to hear that shit.
It tookme almost 2 years to partially reach 12.0 br in USSR
You can only achieve it with skill I have been playing for 3 years and I still haven’t even reached 6.0
It was Japan bias all along.
japan bias based
Best countries are Italy France and Japan
*sweden entered the chat
japan wwii late war prototypes were insane
@@risingsun37 sadly aime of them are fake like the big heavy tank destroyer
There is no way a new player without premium could get to the top of the us tech tree in a month. I am a very good player and it took me about 25 days to get the Israeli tech tree researched, idk where you got that number from but I doubt even a veteran player spending 6 hours a day could research to the top of the us tech tree in a month without premium...
i am only playing wyvern with premium account whilst not beeing good and its nowhere enough time. It takes ages
I’ve played for 120 hours (about 2/3 of that with premium) only on the US and I’m only halfway through tier IV
His Germany estimate for air is way off too, it seems he ignores at every level of jets, Germany is behind and struggles compared to what they're up against
@@Iden_in_the_Rainim 400 hours f2p and finished with Tier 4
@@okcoolbro7971 Get good, farming with a prem plane is rather ez. Few things to note, 1. get score/kills/asisst/ground hits -> Land/rearm/suvive -> Repeat, if you mannage this and have a positive W/R highest posible of course, getting 15k+ exp per game shouldnt be hard, esp considering how op the wywern is for its BR. Main focus here is suvival and winning matches + the landing part. Since landing provides you about 50% extra score of the calgulated points you obtained before the landing, and suvival adds anorther 5-10% on top. + winning is about 50% bonus RP too if i recall correctly.
"Its most likely take atleast a month to get to top tier"
Me who stuck in tier 2 U.S Air tech tree for 6 months:
For real 💀
skill issue
How is it possible to get it in ONE MONTH
@@Jack-nm4vz So I calculated it would take 62 days if you were playing non stop 15 minute matches and making an average RP of 1100. Which is horrible nobody got that much time. 1100 rp because I suck at Air battles
@@skye_music At T1 I'm making about 1300RP per battle in the airforce without premium modifier. I do imagine this speeds up a little at the higher ranks as there appears to be a modifier for more research on the higher tier vehicles. I'm seeing a few reddit posts that it's not uncommon to see 6-7k RP per match at higher BRs, but I imagine one needs consistently great matches to make the math work.
If you know how he plays French tanks, we're a real threat. But for that you must first succeed in overcoming the low tier, I think that's what scares many beginners. France has many unique tanks that set it apart from other nations.
They do indeed, but not many that a new player would be much eager to get.
@@thegreenlandicgamerdo you think mobile port will get mbts I mean yeah it’s kinda intense I just wanna see more content like jets and shit
I would say the state of low tier France is leagues better then it used to be. The amc 35 is not a bad car at all and you get a lot of good vehicles. only real issue is most guns at that no tier(reserve) gets either explosive filler or larger shells. I'm with you though that for a new player its def not a beginner friendly nation.
@@thegreenlandicgamer that's gaijin fault France is mainly played by veterans or French people like me. The consequence are high stats on vehicles that are average and get nerfed because the snail hate good stats on French vehicles
@@thegreenlandicgamerlil fact : the israeli kfir is just a mirage renamed
Love how bro pulls data and top tier times from deep in his ass and then rates em based on that😂
Fr what a shitty tier list
took me over 7 years(with breaks) to research full soviet ground tree, half of soviet air tree, half american ground, 70% german ground and all other would be from 0-20% researched. Took me 6 years without premium and one year of premium. I also used real money to help me alot. I also bought some premium vehicles to hellp me grind. there is no way one would research ANY tree in a month. Its literally impossible
It took me 1 month and a half the get to 5.7 with ussr with breaks and no premium
@@Adam_yourlocalgrinder getting to 5.7 is managable. But going higher is hard
@@tiborszabo981 ik bro
grinded italy air in 14 days with only premium account and swedish air in 5 days with premium account and premium J35XS
i got sweden 12.7 in a month with premium
i wouldnt mind a 20mm tierlist for the aircraft cannons in game (ie shvaks, anm2, M3, MG151, etc.)
Include real shatter changes too. 20mm Ho-5 which is considered one of the worst 20mm for Air just became great.
i doesnt make sence to make this video cause gaijin change the damage of the guns 67 times every day
@@lonemarkkingoftypos3722the japanese 20mm type 99 mod. 2 on the A6M5 is such a wonderful weapon against fighters
minengechoss go brr...
Great video but I don’t think anyone is going to get to top tier in three weeks or a month
Fr
I got to sweden top tier in 3 days with prem and a prem tank. all you have to do i throw money at gaijin xD btw i do not recommend it, at the end i was so dead inside.
Yes, you can.
@@gabrielhenrique3547dont make enough silver lions
@@TheFatDwarfHugo3 days biggest pile of bs I've read in a month
Another criteria for this tierlist should be the amount of easy/enjoyable vehicles each tech tree offers. These vehicles are considered nearly OP, easy to learn etc. This way new players can use and abuse em for research grinding and silver farming. Also the higher BR the vehicle is, is a plus as higher tiers tend to get grindy
I feel like those Heat maps really just proved that the big 3 US, USSR and Germany are played by the most players and so they have really low win rates lol. there is no way that Russia is actually bad in the 2.7 - 6.3 range as those are some of the most ridiculously easy to play vehicles of any tree with Solid armor, reliable guns and APHE pretty much guaranteed to one-shot everything in their BR ranges.
M22, the Swedish reserve tanks (they have sabot rounds), etc
I think general winrate is a bad way to conduct any sort of analysis because it is often offset by sales of premium vehicles. The Soviet winrate tanked after the Turms came out.
Another thing of note, is that if you look at Japan, 10.0 for ground RB simply doesn't exist. (there is a black hole of 9.3 to 11.0) The winrates are more indicative of what nations Japan gets placed alongside with. Similarly, it is important to think about what lineups you can get for what battle ratings. Japan has 4 vehicles higher than 10.0, all of them being MBTs. Russia, has at least 16.
tbh it also very sketch winrates because 8.7 has the object 279 its not op but its very good anyone who plays it normally are pro players and get tons of kills same with the turms
Problem with soviet lineups is that they are quite not good™, cuz t72 lane is pepe popo tier except t90/72b3. T 80 are good, but if you don't count squadron veh, there are only 3 of them, and 80b is clearly don't match even 10.0 of other major nations. 2s25 is alright, you get t72 gun with good mobility, but you are litteraly a glass canon. Than there is cursed atgm, and there are Pantsir, which is completely not busted™. But before pantsir every other country exept sov and sweden has a IR AAA with interference prot, so it depends.
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This tierlist is just bad overall, Japan is one of the worst nations you can play, and will just make any noob quit the game for good(if they play ground or get far enough to use jets) not only that Japan has no good SPAA. France has bad early game but some of the strongest lineups are french ground and mirage's are okay with magic 2's. Russia and Usa should both be S tier because they are always gonna get everything first while others gets stuff last. Sweden and Britain are the Only A tiers imo, Sweden has some really strong lineups, and Britain is slowly getting better, Italy got a little bump with the Hungarian tree so ill give them a B, Germany gets a B because they are constantly being nerfed(See tiger uptiered changes recently) China ill put them in a C along with Israel, China has a good aviation and some good light vehicles but the main tanks suffer like soviet tanks with bad reverse speed and in chinas case worse armor, Israel is a C due to not having much variety in ground, the air tree has some decent planes and a unique F16d variant
@@aidenrogers1468Japan’s is overhyped in terms of it being a horrible nation. Its navy and air are both very capable compared to other nations, and their ground forces only has a iffy start in reserve but once you get the ball rolling and know what vehicles to get, its not that bad. Especially when despite their poor armor, it’s also just as common to find the trend of very good guns in the Japanese tech tree. And once you get to mid and high tier, they regularly can keep up with other nations.
Personally chinese tech tree is the best because you work a little to grind the early tiers but after that the tech tree has some of the best top tier experience ever. Plus you get to play and try a bit of everything in a single tech tree from mid tier
Having played Sweden and Britain Air arcade before it, China is the best of the 3 imo.
Yeah but you have to play as China. That's the real reason why the Chinese tech tree sucks.
@@FilHor I don’t see anything wrong
As an Italy main it makes me sad that Italy got 10/20 but China got 11/20
Yes, but on the tierlist France got F tier 💀
Italy is a w nation
@@TravgardEven tho french military vehicles irl are way better than italians ones..
Well as someone who has top tier in both I can confirm china is more fun and better
@@Humphree Well of course because they have the broken unbalanced ZTZ tanks or whatever lol
bros calculating the RP thinking everyone gets 10 kills per game
What you forgot to mention is that a new player must reach rank 4 in one other nation before they can jump to Israel for both air and ground.
For ground you need to have a rank 4 vehicle unlocked and bought from either USA, UK, USSR or France (one of the nations is enough) and for air you need a vehicle from either USA, UK or France (no USSR since they didn't capture aircraft). So that is very variable since there's a different amount of vehicles in the nations from above from rank 1 to rank 4 and then you add the 20 vehicles needed.
I've played as the USA, USSR, China, Japan and France. France was the best for me. I think it is just a bit underrated, but I understand why people wouldn't play it.
I bought the sherman Prem and haven't played it since sadly because I want to grind out Russia first. But I think I am going to enjoy France. Well once I get out of low tier at least
@@jonathans.955 S35 and D2 are monsters. Just angle ank keep your distyance a bit, the gun while not the best has enough punch to go through your opponent but they wont be able to go through you
French native vehicle that i think could be considered as legendary : Somua 35 (1.3), Renault 35 (1.3), Panhard 35 (A.M.D 35 reserve) B1 bis, 2C, VAB, VCBI 2, Leclerc, AMX 30, AMX 50, AMX 13 (one of the first tanks made after the liberation)
Morane-Saulnier 406 (2.0) Potez 633 (1.3), Dewoitine 520, Marcel Bloc 157 (3.3), Farman 222.2 / NC 223 (upgraded version) -> The first plane that bombed Berlin, Mirage III, Mirage F1C, Mirage 2000 (C, 5F, D-R1 included), Tiger (HAP and HAD included)
So i consider France has 21 legendary planes. (mainly known in France for most but this is my opinion)
Overall just a bad tierlist. It should have been based off uniqueness and fun to play. China is just skip, France, UK, Sweden should be moved up to A USA goes down to C or D as you can experience most the tech tree in other tech trees. Israel goes to D
@@staszekr03France is not A tier stop the cap. Maybe in air yes but that early French grind until the B1 Bis and C1 is honestly one of the worst. B tier at best C tier realistically.
@@topace1038 bro you are acting like reaching br 2.3 takes more than a couple of battles to reach , chill.
@@imalpha6026 Still France and the UK being above the US is just objectively a bad take. Especially the UK. UK tanks suck badly. Say what you will about France at least it gets better. British tanks with only solid shot are painful to play. Sweden/USA/France/Italy/Britain/Japan/China is the best order.
Yeah, definitely not accurate. I think most military buffs would know more about their own country than the average military buff does.
Ussr and USA Bias is starting to get annoying.
German main
Yes
As a German main, I get why some people are frustrated, but we're at the point now in WT where the US and Russia have so many vehicles while other nations don't.
For the time being its a matter of giving the US and Russia their respectable vehicles, and then having to come up with something for the other nations because their next vehicles would be way too strong/advanced, nations such as Britain, Sweden, Germany, etc.
TLDR: All the other nations are stuck with copy/paste until the US/Russia catch up with the other nations' best tech.
German bias
It should probably be stated though that, assuming this video is meant to target someone who’s basically new to the game, countries with larger tech trees such as the US, the grind is certainly much larger/longer than other countries but this can also be a somewhat of a good thing depending on how you wanna look at it. If you’re newer to the game and wanna grind out the air tree without using a premium vehicle, I’d assume they would end up spading (getting all mods) for each new plane they unlock and as you climb BR’s and get new planes you’ll find opportunities to utilize newer weapon mods and systems to not only get comfy with but also learn more aspects of gameplay for say air RB which will prove to be useful experience later on when they are ready to move to a different tech tree to begin grinding
Sherman firefly is a British vehicle which had to be modified to fit the big gun. I would call it a British legendary vehicle, but sadly the chasse American.
What make the fire fly the fire fly is the brithish gun they slap on it , so is mosly brithish yes
And there is a uniquely French Sherman, too.
USA : 0:43
Germany : 3:35
USSR : 5:08
UK : 6:46
Japan : 8:06
China : 9:30
Italy : 10:49
France : 12:03
Sweden : 13:33
Israel : 14:48
if only every tierlist video had a dude like you
@@sargaa8471😜🤫🤑🤑🤑
Thanks dude!
@@__Average-Guy__ 🤑🤑🤑🤧😕🥱🤪🤮
For me all Swedish vehicles are legendary!
sweden tree has some of the most insane tanks in the game, starting from their reserve tanks with apds, the L-62, delat torn, among others
I think the value of french legendary vehicles is slightly higher because they are a bit rarer to see around, so i would have personally considered france c or d but i understand 😢
On ground there are all variants of the amx 13, the amx 30, the leclerc, the amx 10rc, the b1, the h39, arl44...
On air the ms410, mystères, mirages, vautour, étendards...
Helic: tiger, alouette and gazelles
That's more than 9
France is just so underrated to me, low tier France is great, you just have so much survivability, and bad guns can still perform well at those br
plus, there's tank like the bi1 bis and the somua that are just the hell of a tank at their respective br
France is not a bad nation, it's just that most people don't know how to play it
@@raskzak3313 France is the hardest nation to master, but when you know how to play it, I saw people doing magic with it
@@Snaox flanking tigers with the EBR was gold
starting at 5.3 you start to either get great speed or great fire power, starting at 7.3, you get basically both + high reload speed
killing 5 tanks one by one while their distracted or turns their turrets feels great
As a France main, i gotta agree. @@Snaox
Hope you keep making longform content this was a great video
5:11 SU is the biggest tech tree in war thunder. with that, also having the most vehicles.
Do a most fun countries tier list. Because the US tech tree has 6 shermans in a row with minor upgrades fixing obvious weakspots to replace them with a different one until the tank can get center of massed. And yes the Abrams is good but getting to top tier is more boring than golf. I think that is more important that how OP countries are.
As a Swedish player im glad we had the best heat maps. BUT sad we only ranked high b tier bc of less legendary vehicles.
Is Sweden worth grinding, Ground and Air?
Ya it's pretty fun@@janvanderbusse2629
@@janvanderbusse2629 In my opinion yes, at first it may be hard for low tier tanks but once you make it to the death wedges you'll be good. For aviation high tier may be a little more difficult but once you get either the viggen or draken you'll be good.
Make a video with beginner tipps, common mistakes, your favoutite vehicles and which are the best in the game. Are there maybe OP-ones? I think this would be great
great video,for another long one you could do a tierlist of premium tanks of all nation divided in ground air and maybe naval
These are some VERY generous estimates for how long it will take to get to top tier. As a Japanese main, I have been playing for almost a year now and am almost at rank 5 ground and early rank 4 air. I normally play 1-2 hours a day, I'm not that good at the game, and I also don't have premium, but still.
(Japan has no vehicles with scouting ability between 4.0 - 6.0 among other things which makes some parts of the tech tree a pain to play)
if you manage to spend your afternoons on the game + premium youll go way faster but yea none is completing it in the time he says though
just to follow up japanese main here and i have been playing since 2017 and im only now hitting 9.7
I was surprised by the heat map of the low tier Italians, i main Italy and I had zero issues in the low tiers wonder what caused it to be so red
yeah me too, i for a long time wacked everything with all the low tier italian vehicles, especially the tanks by angling them at range they can tank and bounce so many rounds and every penetration usually results in a kill with their APHE
You are just good at the game. The average player is not.
But it may not just be italy's fault.
Only A handfull of italian vehicles are in a match since there are not a lot of italian players and italy is usually paired another country (Usually germany).
@@ironcell26Italian 2.3 m42 laughing in 300 kg exsplosive mass
Israel may seem like a skip tier but its really good for people that want to play a combination of US UK and France with better weapons but don't want to go through all 3 countries just to get to higher tiers.
Started playing warthunder about 5 months ago and i'm an ussr player but the no gun depression caused me so much pain in the game💀💀
When I started WT i played British so I didnt have any depression issues at all but the lack of explosive filler made me wanna kms I had 10 assists but only one kill in a game once
ahh yep low tier british is painful :( @@ar0568
The russian tank are just top happy to have any depression.
for real dude@@e-5069
Fr even irl that region high tier tank can't do anything against rpg 🗿
I want to add that low tier germany does have some very strong tanks. The win rate is just not as good as the others because many new players dream of their infamous Tiger .. They start with germany and get stomped because they don't know how to play(we all know and love our most aware german mains). They get their Tiger eventually and get stomped again. (Or they google what they are doing wrong and switch to the panther)
You forgot that you have to already have reached tier V in another nation to start Israel. Post war France is well known for two things, their fighters and their air defense systems. For a while France was exporting aircraft as hard as the Soviet Union and the United States. Their Mirages influenced the designs of the Kfir and the Viggen.
"it will take at least a month to reach top tier in the US tech tree"
me with 750 hours in the game: that's where your wrong jimbo
“Takes around 2 1/2 weeks to get to top tier” I’ve played this game for four years and I’m not even rank 5 in Germany’s air tree yet
"BRO WAS SENT HOME" LMAO
I really like China tech tree. It's like if you want to play America but you also wanted some Soviet vehicles. Good tech tree
For France, the red point in tank are completely normal at at the higher tier (9.3-10.3) cause there is basically no French tank
Keep in mind when it comes to win rate not to take it at face value. A popular high BR premium can heavily skew the win rate, same with popular nations to play at lower BRs since new players will flock to that specific country.
Greenlandic you better continue making long form videos 🔫
I loved this video i really recommend you do do more of these !
do you have any tips for fast grinding I've been grinding Germany ground for the last 7 months lol
We need a map tier list
next tierlis ill recomend you to make one of the best legendary vehicles
USSR should be S tier because of 10.0 Premium line up
A MONTH 💀💀💀 TO GET TO US TOP TIER💀💀💀
We could say that those high-ish winrates from those smaller nations don't really portray the reality most people will have whilst playing them.
Since smaller nations usually get a lower percentage of players per match (like 2-3 as far as I remember) chances are that those wins are caused by a smaller group of above average players "carrying" the rest of the team.
Since the ammount of players in which the win depends is lower, a subpar or even average player expecting to win just by being in a favorable area of the heatmap might end up halving their nation's performance in a match. This would probably bring their win rates to around a similar percentage as the ones from other nations.
Make a tier list that rates fighters of the different nations
That thunderbolt has been eating dem big macs
I've been playing since I started highschool and just unlocked my first jet aircraft. Telling me that it should take, maybe a month, to get to the high tiers just makes me sad, haha. Oh man, great video, though. It's super useful!
There is no way you can get away with telling noobs it will take them only a month to get to top tier. no way.
Bro thinks everyone is a war thunder god… 3 weeks to hit Germany top tier??? Tf am I doing? Getting 10 kills a game?
Bro this long term video was great! Keep it up!
I’d really love to know how you came up with the “time to get to top tier”. I played with Japan for 4 months before I got to the f16. I’d probably still be grinding if i hadn’t bought a premium plane and a premium account to push from the kikka on.
Never let bro cook
damn, nice bro. been a while since the last long format video lol
Chinas lack of native vehicles is actually pretty handy because you can try out a lot of really good tanks from other lines to see if you like the play style. Theres a few nations like this, Italy for example, but China was crazy varied. I have recommended it as a nation for a friend starting out because that big / fun part of the game between BR 3.7 and say 6.3 has some 'greatest hits' tanks of other nations so they might figure out which to grind next.
Personally I just grind them all. I don't find the game much fun after about 7.3 so i have probably all of the nations up to 6.7 as a minimum except Israel which I skipped because it starts basically where the game starts to get less fun.
this video is great currently grinding out American aviation with F-5c if some sales come up soon will definitely look to buy a soviet or Japanese premium I've been a strictly free to play soviet tank RB player up to this point and while I've reached rank VII finally after years of on and off I've been having lots of fun learning aviation and with the new SU-27 I'm excited
Aint no way he just said that it would take an AVERAGE player a month to get to top tier while playing 3-4 hours a day without soending money 💀
Haha a month to get to top tier is the biggest joke he said
Can you do that but with sl earnings for free2play tanks with heat maps or smth
I think Isreal kinda gets the short end of the stick just considering that until 1948 they werent even a modern country, a whole 3 years after the end of the war in the European Theatre. So it would make sense they dont have a lot of early stuff to choose from because at that time it would just be other countries that they were using if they weren't captured or persecuted and if they were even able to join other militaries.
love your video thanks so much
Man I been playing War Thunder since 2013 and haven't reached top tier in any nation yet. I always get to around 9.0-10.0 and get bored and move on to another tree. Almost all my trees are half finished at least lol
Thanks! Im a US main but i have only unlocked 5 planes. So i now i will be a Japan main
When you make an huge video, calculating the RP for top tier and Gaijn release un update for the research of the techtree then change everything 😢
Yeah, it's big RIP lol
Me who grinded the sweden tech tree for 8 months and still don't have the J35: Something is not right here...
Everyone just thinks about the legendary vehicles, pen and armor of those vehicles. Thank goodness for the ‘general’ rankings
The thing your not taking into account is how good the vehicles are and the verity of the vehicles
For me it is quite the opposite. My winrate in 3.3 or lower in Japan is very high, but past it I struggle very much.
"it Will take atleast a month to get to top tier" im ať rank 5 air, rank 4 ground after a year lol
I dont agree with about 50% of the heat maps, but i gues this is overall statistic and hard to compare to own experiences. Sweden AIR as an example i find very hard to belive has the overall W/R that your heatmap suggests.
as a ground player its pretty annoying that it gets kinda overlooked here.
But for the rest great video loved it.👍
As an German i am very disappointed,the cyber Pretzel will hurt you today
"3 and a half weeks to get to top tier in Britain" me who has been playing for 4 years and only just reached rank V
He forgot to add that you need to purchase 6 planes in each rank so it is a lot more research points than going frok p-26 to f16
Any French main at 5.0-5.7 absolutely demolishes anyone else
I went with a germany main. Lower tier jets are super painfull but it gets way better after that.
4 weeks to top tier??? I need like 1 year xd
I only play like 1 to 2 hours. I’m getting very close top tier I’m doing USA for planes. I’m not the best player so it’s very hard sometimes to figure out the best playing pattern. Any usa plane recommendations? From 1.0 to 5.0? Also, I’m a free to play player.
The heat maps don’t necessarily relate to how good the vehicles are. The larger ‘nations’ get more casual players who will not usually be as good at the game. That means that ‘minor nations’ have more bored experienced players using those vehicles, and so you get a disparity based on skill levels of the players rather than capabilities of the vehicles.
soviet heatmaps seems funny, i dont really understand how it works, but i remember having more fun playing soviets than germany by far, usa, not sure yet haven't played them much
I needed this thank you
this is helping me out hehe
ive been watching this and before i watched this video i grinded USA and now i know that it is...
Also israel tech tree will require rank 4 of ground or air of country stated in the requirement which makes it more of a hassle
I think with the new update Italy is going to be mad fun
Just play what feels interesting and fun. All vehicles have their pros and cos. Learning to play the vehicles that you like gives results and makes a fun experience.
Soviet Tech might seem bad because most of the players are p2w but its really op
12:34 althought yes early-game like 1.0 french tanks are just stupidly weak the armor gets really good at around 2.0 in fact it actually takes a german gun (which are often the most powerful) to kill a french tank at virtually every ww2 era BR which is why i dont really understand the big red spot
Im currently grinding Japan as a newbie already got Chi-Ha LG and researching Chi-He, I really only struggle against 100 levels on OP tanks and Shermans
Mans looking out on air
Can confirm Japan Ground Battles 1-3.0 BR made me actually want to end it all
One thing that keeps me away from the USA tech tree is that all the US that I would want to try out I've played in different tech trees so the very few that aren't in other tech trees are just not worth the grind. Similarly with China,literally just slightly modified vehicles from the US and ussr tech trees, no reason to grind that either.
I really want you to take a new account and 6 months playing 3-4 hours a day to see you having maxed all tech trees
I love that you just pull random data out your rump and nothing makes sense
bro says 2 weeks to get to top tier like its 4 centurys