Air Nations in War Thunder EXPLAINED: Part 1 - USA & Germany | War Thunder Plane Countries Guide
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Welcome to the Air Nation Guide for War Thunder! Much like the video series I made about ground tech trees, this 5-part series will go over every nation in the game. In this episode, we'll talk about the USA and Germany.
Part 2 - USSR & UK: • Air Nations in War Thu...
Part 3 - Japan & China: • Air Nations in War Thu...
Part 4 - Italy & France: • Air Nations in War Thu...
Part 5 - Sweden & Israel: • Air Nations in War Thu...
Full playlist: • Air Nation Guide
• Discord: discordapp.com/invite/d9QGse4Mzy
─── Songs used ───
🇺🇸 Wild Blue Yonder: • "Wild Blue Yonder [Ins...
🇩🇪 Aces High: • Luftwaffe March
─── TIMESTAMPS ───
I had to put superscript numbers before the flags, otherwise they wouldn't show up for some reason
0:00 - Ad
0:11 - Intro
0:34 - ¹🇺🇸 Intro
0:59 - ¹🇺🇸 Tiers I-II
2:04 - ¹🇺🇸 Tier III
3:53 - ¹🇺🇸 Tier IV
5:37 - ¹🇺🇸 Tier V
7:19 - ¹🇺🇸 Tier VI
9:59 - ¹🇺🇸 Tiers VII-VIII
12:33 - ¹🇺🇸 Conclusion
14:07 - ²🇩🇪 Intro
14:42 - ²🇩🇪 Tiers I-II
17:21 - ²🇩🇪 Tiers III-IV
20:39 - ²🇩🇪 Tier V
26:25 - ²🇩🇪 Tiers VI-VIII
30:59 - ²🇩🇪 Conclusion
33:36 - Outro
───────────── - Ігри
The long-awaited air nation guide is here! This time, instead of just static images, there's actual footage of the planes that are being talked about. Sorry this took so long, I've been busy with a bunch of IRL stuff. Also, I'm doing some experimenting with embedded subtitles, let me know what you think. There's a couple of minor mistakes in them, my apologies for that.
── CORRECTIONS (read before leaving a comment) ──
-The F-4E is a much better turnfighter if it has the Agile Eagle upgrade, forgot to mention that
-With the Sky Guardians update America does have an 11.0 premium, namely the F-4S Phantom II
-The Mig-19 can retain energy pretty well actually, the Mig-21 is the one that bleeds energy fast
bruh. f-22 and f-35 will not come in near future. look at abrams variants. they come into the game as they go out of service. Next in line of inplementation are: F-15A, early F-18 variants, Later F-14A agile falcon f-16's, F-15's C/D and E but they will not come before US declasifies files on them- and they will not do that before major US allies get rid of them.
Please clarifiy that this video is for Ground players as that's clearly your focus.
very nice video thank you! :) plus i love the new intros you added keep up with the good work!
I definitely appreciate the subtitles
another correction the banche is one of the most powerful fighters in the game at 7.3 it destroys almost everything with the added bonus of being one of the rare early jets with a low repair cost.
and the av-8’s ammo count is the opposite of what you said it has one of the lowest ammo counts for jets in the entire game.
You forget me 262c series they have liquid rocket engines as boosters
It's weird how the heavy fighter line ends up having lighter aircraft later down the line while the fighter line gets heavier
gaijin
@@shikikanaz4624 snail always has a hand in things 😂
Russian Snails be like
It's less of a heavy fighter line and more of a Lockheed line, since the only planes in that line Lockheed didn't make are the F-82 and F-5.
Lol its messed up in all lines acauly. Like Germen patrol boats and bombers. I mean almost all Germen patrol boats are 1.0s and 1.7s show me any thing that can take on a Gunboat other then the AA or Gun bardge. And no the KV dont count no more....
At 28:43 there's a bit of mistake. The MiG-21 bleeds all of its energy when turning that's correct but the MiG-19 has some of the best energy retention in the whole tier and handles well at low speeds. That being said, good video!
True true
Aah when he said that it made me cringe, thanks for the comment
@@skDogerwe still love the videos though btw💯🔥😁
@@skDoger¹¹1
Note on the US tree: due to how popular it is, on US servers at least, you have a far higher chance of ending up on a pretty incompetent team. Just be aware that your win/loss ratio will be kinda sad
Fair warning: every new patch with US planes, US top tier teams suddenly get really good as all the experienced players come back to grind.
Watching P-51s and Kingcobras try to dogfight spitfires is a painful experience
Yeah trust me I hate ending a match being spawn camped due to being the only one with aircraft left..
Usually I get in a bomber and fly upside down trying to tell the enemies I'm alone and just wanna fly around.
Don't work most are blood thirsty and don't wanna kill a.i and farm.
I think what turns some people off of the US tech tree is that they don't take the time to set themselves up properly, then get frustrated because they don't climb, go for the first plane they see, then get killed in a dogfight against more maneuverable planes. Granted you won't exactly be the highest plane in the match, but you need to sideclimb and gain altitude in order to perform well in those planes.
I was playing with a Stuart the other day and killed more then 10 targets, capped multiple points, and we still lost.
I was just searching the internet to understand what Nation suits me better and I was going crazy! I was like "yo why didn't this video show up before?" Then I realized it's been 15 mins ahahah
I can't wrap my head around how you guys forgot to mention the Schräge Musik cannons! They're one of the most unique features found on German WW2 planes... :(
Also, the MiG-19 really doesn't suck at retaining energy, it is probably one of the best turnfighters for it's BR!
Schräge Musik is too... schräge to explain hehe
@@skDoger *schräg
Ya but it’s basically useless in pvp combat
It is the most satisfying to take down a bomber with Schräge Musik cannons
@@joeburke6577 the MIG 19 or the cannons
The only thing I dislike about this is that there aren't any more episodes (yet). Great work man, keep it up
Thanks for the series, concerning both Ground and Air. It can serve both as a great aid to newcomers and a point of interest for more experienced players willing to change or expend their playstyle.
Thank you!!! Been playing the US tree and have watched soo many reviews on each plane and this is short and simple. Love it
Can't say I agree with skipping the F8s. In my opinion by far the best 10.3 in the game. You are supersonic, best manourvreability at the tier (as long as you are sub 0.85 mach), great guns, countermeasures, and okay missiles. I would say its only downsides are the mediocre missiles and compression at higher speeds but it makes you use your guns more which I personally think is a more interesting playstyle. Great video overall and will certainly be useful for newer players.
Fair enough, to each their own
I’d skip the f8u, but defs not the f8e
Best maneuverability except the Ariete and some top tiers
True, only complaint being the wings that do not like being attached while in any turn
The F8U is definitely to be skipped, the second you have to turn your wings disappear. Has to be at least 60% of my deaths in it.
For the Soviet line, make sure to mention the devastating 23mms on the IL-2 (1942), I had a game where I got 8 kills, including three back to back f4u kills. If you know how to aim them, there’s really nothing that compares to the 23mms at that br. Also to keep in mind about that 8 kill game, it was 12 player teams and I also suck at air rb when I’m playing solo
Another thing to note at the lower tiers, the 7.62mm shkas can not be understated. 7200 combined rpm is nothing to scoff at when you’re going up against an i-16
For sure
This video gives me motivation to go play all the aircraft i unlocked and do not just grind. I sometimes forget how diverse the trees are and forget the good memories with all the planes 👍
Is the grind fun for USA? I decided to come back to war thunder
@@fox_rblx9391yeah I just got 9.3 and I’m having fun
@@user-ju1pp2he4k Im just afraid of playing jets since there are so many no life's out there and since I'm a console peasant.
@@fox_rblx9391 I also play console
I'm a simple man, I see an skDoger video, i click
Same
looking forward to the other lines! if you're mentioning the swordfish, mention that it can be a beast with its v. low repair cost, torpedoes, 6x 250lb bombs, and the maneuverability of a biplane. but, it gets shredded with the slightest idea of a bullet, and is slow as all hell. but i've had the left upper wing and the right elevon missing, with a fuel leak, and was able to limp back to base. it's a pretty good variation of playing at low tier.
Love your format for these man, I constantly keep coming back to reference your advice when I'm looking for new CAS or air RB options
f8u-2 is very underrated, has very good turning that outclasses almost everyone in its BR. Its Aim-9D's are very good for boom and zooming, and its speed is pretty okay in my oppinion. Underrated to say the least.
Yeah I don’t really get why he said to skip the F8’s, they are crazy good, with the only thing holding them back being a lack of Rae on the E.
Real! F8U-2 is one of my favorite planes at that tier. The 9D's have stupid range and like you said it has great turning. My only complaint is it can rip while doing high speed turns. Other than that its a great plane.
The best thing about this video is how simple it is, and you manage to make this game seem very fun to new players!
Love ya content! Was looking around to see if I could find info about what nation to play to start my air grind and then discovered you posted this video like 30 minutes ago xD
The German Phantom is actually quite good. I believe it has some of the best maneuverability of all of the Phantoms so far.
Great video :) Keep up the good work :)
I like your warthunder videos. You have the perfect voice for tutorials and reviews. Not too intense that it's painful to listen to, but not to monotone that you bore me. Keep it up!
Thank you!
Starting the American tree, having fun with the P-51D-c
Great video!
Thank you for this been looking for guides like this but they were so old
YOUR BACK LETS GOO
Thank you for this well crafted video, it helps a new player like me a bunch. Plz release other nations soon 🙂
Planning to finally play this game after the mobile version just got out recently but oh boy I think I have a lot of things to learn and memorize
And this video helps me a lot thanks man
This video is so good you got another sub keep up the great content
this is just what i was looking for, good video👍
14:03 Also a majority of the planes are really iconic, so that may add some value to grinding.
Can't wait for the next one these are incredibly helpful
I'm getting somewhat impatient on the next vid (don't rush tho, take your time). Hoping it'll come soon! And thanks for this vid! Really helped me.
Great vid i'm looking forward to the next part
1st gen jets have better energy retention than the 2nd and 3rd gen jets but lack acceleration, however there is some exception. Some 2nd and 3rd gen jets like MIG-17 and F-5 are designed as dedicated air superiority fighter, even F105 and A4 Skyhawk can be used for dogfight when they've done their CAS duties. In my experience, to counter the 1st gen jets with most 2nd gen and 3rd gen jets is to use boom and zoom tactics, don't waste too much energy in turning fights, same rule can be applied to top tier when using Mirage 2000 against MIG-29, F-5E, F-14 and F-16.
Eagerly waiting for the part 2 :)
Phenomenal video, just what i've been looking for. You've earned a sub.
Thank you!
Saying ive been waiting for this is a massive understatement
I absolutely Love the 109 and Strike Fighter Lines. The Bf 109s are my Favorite Planes after the 262s (in AB) and the 410s have worked very Well for me aswell. I think it was RB when a P-51 approached me from behind, my Secondaries Made quick Work of them
I dont like 109 so much at about 6.0 br because of the matchmaking with premium bombers.
great vid keen for the sovjiet techtree breakdown
I personally love the m262 A-1a/U-1 in ground battles with armour piercing
i cant even imagine how much effort has gone into this,ill sub and like
Thank you!
yk it's gonna be a good day when skDoger posted
Thank you! I finally know what a plane is!
Fact: the f4u can reach 800km/h in a dive and the elevators wont lock up (unless they changed it), so you dont have to worry too much about crashing into the ground
The a10 is very capable in dogfights extremely good turning you can out turn every plane in the game and gets 4 aim9Ls and lots of countermeasures I’ve got 2 aces in it so it’s a very good plane at dogfighting at its tier
I’m glad when I first started playing the US tech tree I evenly researched all the planes down to the f16 very soon
a bit late but finally i need this series, because i have zero knowledge of aircraft which is the best aircraft to grind, i looking for it for all the tech tree
you manage to make this game look fun
I've beem waiting this videos for ober two years
I love it when a AV-8 tries to moon climb early game against my MiG 21…. My R-3R’s love saying hi to them.
Great video! I would like to suggest you try out the Do217 E at 4.7. As it gets 4 TONS of bombs (4x1000kg) and is fairly fast and manoeuvrable. Plus it has some decent turrets aswell as a nose mounted 20mm in case you find the odd enemy Bomber!
I feel like the 13mms are just there to make you feel good lol. Great plane though. Absolute menace in ground RB.
Awesome 😎 I’ve played American 3 years it’s really easy learning it especially with some low tier planes with a 50cal and I’ve played most a b17 bombers I’ve survived getting my tail rudder half of a tail flap and other stuff and landed
They're good if flown correctly, too many times I see players fly too low only to have German, Soviet and Japanese planes whip 'em in dogfights and because they're low they don't have the altitude to get away and they don't have the maneuverability to turn fight. Positioning (and good aim) is key to success in those planes. The fight only becomes tougher the longer it drags out.
Awesome videos! Keep them coming! I'm new to WT, please do this video but for Sweden please :)
Stay tuned!
i will sub cuz looks like i lack war thunder knowledge 😅
Edit 1: thanks so much for the heart skdoger
4:24 I feel it should be mentioned that the D-5 Mustang is the most difficult of the Mustangs to play, since it’s engine is poor for its br. Basically, you don’t have the climb nor accel thst the other P-51’s got to cover for mistakes a bit, so you gotta be extremely careful when taking it out
And the terrible rudder.
@@bradenhagen7977 The rudder is pretty atrocious, but I can look past it
I hope you make more of these
4 more episides to come!
awating for the next one
Bro, the P39N is by far the best plane at tier 2 USA, you shouldve mentioned that. Not only that but p63s are not flat upgrades over 39N. They lose a fuckton of low speed thrust, turn, MER and get way worse flaps, in exchange for better climb and in A10/C5s case, top speed.
The P-51s being unable to dogfight is also just a myth. Things like 51C and D30 can already beat alot of the planes they face in a duel. And the we have 51H, which is literally capable of beating almost every prop of the br in a duel, whilst also being faster and climbing better. Saying that it shouldnt turnfight bc "its still a P-51" is wrong and stupid.
Regarding late 109s, you are describing them as more passive strict bnz planes, when in reality theyre planes which benefit hugely from being played very agressively, The climb means you have great early game potential + theyre also really snappy and responsive planes with great low speed control (yes you also got that wrong) which makes them good for pushing 1v1s and head ons with other planes early game. Also none of them are supposed to be played around "keeping speed". k4 is probably the fastest 109 for the br and its speed/LER is still average at best in comparison to what it faces.
And finally, you grouped both ta-152s in the same description when theyre both completely different flight models. 152C is just a shitbrick overall, its not fast at relevant altitudes for the br, it doesnt have "decent turn radius", ifact its one of the worst turning props in the game. Only thing it has is guns and snappy fm which makes head on really easy. Ta-152H is a much more maneverable plane, with some of the best flaps in props which allow it to beat almost every other prop in a dogfight. Perf itself is not good for 6.0, apart from the cracked MER, but its so braindead to play that almost everyone can do well in it.
Pls stop talking out of your ass, more misinformation of this kind is not something new players need
Thank you! Took me way too long to find a comment that called out this BS. When he said that about the P51H I stopped watching
I mostly agree with your take on the Me 262's, tho I'd say the Heimatschützer II is the exception, as the poor acceleration can be offset by the rocket boosters.
And with some clever use, the 2 minutes of burn time can last you quite a while and give you that extra thrust when you need it.
True, I kinda glossed over that one
4:45 the F8F is SUPER agile. i can outturn japanese props with it and it's very op even against jets i used properly ( even dogfighting )
P= Pursuit rather than CAS. The P-51 was a fairly decent dogfighter. You just have to remember to reduce throttle to turn tighter. The F-4 Phantom II has better acceleration with the Rolls Royce engine, fantastic maneuverability regardless of whether it has the Allison or Rolls Royce engine, the F-14 also has excellent maneuverability as does the A-4 Skyhawk
F-84 does have good engine and gun placement though. Its very good for stall combat if it comes to that
i've just got the f84b and i must say it's a beast
just go straight and keep your speed, the m3 machineguns will do the rest as they have great fire rate and good precision
Agree f84 was my first jet and I love it, I can somewhat consistently get 3-5 kills per game
i'm not even into these kinds of games. but haha funny airplane is worth it watching this whole series multible times
The f84s are decent just because of their speed. They’re like an f104 in that aspect. Keep them in a straight line and nothing at your be can touch you. Uptiers hurt though
SBD-3 is a Amazing Interceptor or Boom and Zoomer since it's Gun Pods give the plane 6 Total .50 Cals spread out along the entirety of the aircraft which allows you to Shred absolutely everything in it's tier and local BR
Man I’ve been playing American air tech tree for a good 2-3 years (off and on) and I’m still in tier two I think I just unlocked the b-25 like a month ago
Thank you uso much for the overview. Maybe I made a mistake picking the British tech tree!
I like how i acidentaly took the perfect planes for beginers when i started. Started with america and at about 3 tier i jumped on the german train(no not THAT train) wirh bf109
For Arcade: Russia and Japan. Spitfires have wing mounted guns and weak wings. US are not the best for arcade furballs but made for boom and zoom.
The best overall low tier arcade plane is probably the japanese Ki-44 at 2.7 br.
Get the premium if you can (not the one with the 40mm canon).
Yaks and the La series are also very good.
Note learning to aim -> take the yak. bit of a curve but once you get it all trees will be cookie.
Learning to furball: Ki 44 or yak or the messer.
learning to fly defensive : zero.
Boom and zoom : messerschmidt, p 51, fw 190, corsair. ( this tactic wont get you high kill rates in Arcade)
Another tip for arcade : learn to touch and go on high speeds. Useful for capping airfields.
Another tip : make your line up as big as possible and buy back ups with war bonds. do not land and repair but rather eject and respawn
P51s are generally bad at dogfighting but the H model is an extreme exception. It has a wild turn rate
Wow thank you
F8U is pretty good idk why you say it’s bad and to skip. It’s arguably one of the better jets in its tier and it’s really fun if you play it right. Also don’t know why shade was thrown to the Av-8s turn rate. If you use the thrust vectoring it actually turns into something that can outrun nearly everything at the br.
part 2 please Sk Doger please pleassssssssssssssssse i cannot wait that first part was exteremly useful
Coming soon! Don't worry
@@skDoger thank you you are the best for making guidelines and other useful videos
when will part 2 come i love this kind of videos
In about 2 weeks, and thank you btw :)
@@skDoger nice to hear :D
“Speed is life, altitude is live insurance”
If only I could go at a 90 degree angle and not feel gravity like all my enemies do💀
Fr when I first started I didn't pump every level into g tolerance
Wake up baby new skDoger video just dropped
Great video, do Fire Nations next!
Lmao
11:44. I really hope that’s a custom match because… Sherman’s in the same match as an A-10 makes me empathetic to the people piloting the tanks.
Yeah it was a custom battle lol, the game wouldn't let me spawn AI top-tier tanks for some reason
the a10 is fantastic in air rb because of the 4 aim 9l
Germany: good vehicles, bad teammates
Us: bad vehicles(for bad/new players) but good teammates
>USA
>Good teammates
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Opposite for me lmaoo 😂 german teamates are goated in air not ground tho
@@flaretheninja8718 nah German air players tend to be just as bad as the tankers😂
the b17 still breaks its wings in a turn and no mention of the b26 when its arguable the best bomber in rank 3, plus you called the f6f a naval bomber and then didnt mention the helldiver.
also no mention of the massive 2500kg bomb and the radio guided bombs on the he111 or the fact that half the germany tree is bf109s and fw190s but was still highly recomended for grinding
Air RB for US at tier 3-4 is complete hell to play. All planes lack climb, turn rate and the teams are horrendous.
I haven’t even watched past rank 5 us in this video and i’ve already noticed you being correct about a vehicle is the exception
Could you explain some of my mistakes? I'd like to avoid them in future episodes if possible
@@skDoger I may have been rough here as i rewatch, but i noticed you being mostly correct until the p-47s, the F4us however do not improve at all (just different br, fuel load or armaments (usmc is lighter cuz no carrier equipment), i would actually argue that because of the increased BR they get worse until the -4 variant
@@skDoger The kingcobras get less manouverable than the aircobras, and the pbjs are terrible for CAS and intercepting b25 is much better choice for both
@@skDoger Really up to rank 4(not included is mostly fine so i hyperbolized) The p38s are actually very manouverable because of fowler flaps, and outturn all 109s 190s and some yaks. The late p51H is very much advised to dogfight in, just dont get caught out from 3rd parties, it has insane performance in every aspect due mostly to its engine power. The F8Fs are a must play and extremely manouverable, (you will consistently beat g56, g55 and you are fast good climb only negative is high speed compression and it bleeds energy because of the non elliptical wing design.
@@skDoger F7F has good engines but is outperformed by almost all other planes it faces, the only thing its got going is the good armament, but you can only do stuff that other fighters can do better. The late P47N is actually a really good flight model, big wings and high hp, but its stuck with a massive fuel load that ruins it
Well damn I like the f3h the f7c if placed right rights like a charm!
as he doesnt go over it for teir one of America. go and grind out the p36A as it is one of the fastest planes at that BR. then from there get the P36C and if you really like those planes then get the P36G. dont try to go up a rank without starting the other lines because the more lines you have the more options you have.
Doesn't have maneuverability for the tornado is an understatement, that thing turns like an airship
Theres no way he just told people to skip the F8U
The very important thing to remember is that in most cases, in era 4 half of l team will be made of ju288, so goodluck playing fighters.
Im disappointed you didnt mention the He100, but also happy because its so op and i dont want ppl to know.
This man is a godsend. We need to protect him.
i’m so desperate for parts 3 and 4 of this video. tell us about japan, italy, uk, china, and swedish aircraft
Stay tuned!
The man, The myth, The legend has returned.
Good vid but should have differentiated between the 152 planes such as mentioning the C variant is vastly inferior and being a boat to manoeuvre the only advantage I guess is having a mk103 in the nose instead of a mk108 other than that good vid
I'm a a war thunder youtuber and I followed your advice and picked USA and now I'm good at the game compared to when I picked the British
Thanks😃
Glad to hear it :)
when you get to britain cover the hurricane IV's amazing 40mm cannons in air to air
Golden eagles at a free price? Satisfactory!
Btw, the p51h although being a p51 turns well enough to dogfight a lot of enemies (if you know what you’re doing). You can actually do a lot more with a lot of these planes if you learn about how to fly them (and planes in general)
-like the “later” p47s (past the d25 model) are actually good at energy fighting (more so boom n zooming actually), for example (I like to use it more for that than the p51d30)
And another example, the AM-1 (attacker) turns very well, though it doesn’t maintain energy the best, it does stall at a low speed thanks to its flaps. And it’s cannons are pretty good.
Basically, learning and gaining experience will get you further in the game than simply going strictly by the “on paper” info💯😁👍. Good luck, and have fun!
another example being the Canberra B57B (and a, but the A had no guns lol)
- These Jet Bombers, although being jets, can out turn a lot of those it faces, though it too bleeds speed a little *too* handily.
@@kamalal-hamid4634 Very true
I feel like you needed to discuss how they perform for their BR better. Like the B29 would be good, if it wasn't going up against missles..
Hmmm, I haven’t spent any money on this game (and dont intend to) so I used to play 3 armies (ground and air), Germany, Japan, and USSR, and have them all almost to tier IV, but have recently picked up the US too and have been having a lot of fun.
11:37
[Using a Maverick on a Sherman tank]
...Kinda the epitome of "overkill" there...
No such thing as overkill in the American tech tree 🦅 🇺🇸