@@tahraki4918 I rarely use deep stinger on furies because I usually timed my Hell on Earth right when it spawns if I am lazy or straight out just play parry with it till it die for dt gauge and style points... But what I meant was the skill the final boss Vergil is using, the one where he charges for awhile then fly out from the map and tries knocking you down for 3 times.
It amuses me to no end that even as an NPC boss fight, royal guard is still horrifically broken. Only this time *we* have to suffer through it. I'm sorry Vergil. I'm sorry I put you through this so many times.
It's absurd that Vergil's supposed to be this focused and elegant "Win in a few hits" kind of guy but in-game he's just the "Spam OP moves that make you invincible or let you JC from across the room also never stop mashing summoned swords EVER" guyy.
@@JasonGodwin69 Fun fact: Every DMC character has the ability to be brain dead and let you mash the big hit buttons to get through. However, doing it in a cool way is what makes each character wildly different. Dante swaps between weapons, Nero times his Max-Act and focuses on charging Blue Rose, Vergil has his accuracy and skillful play. Or you can use Stinger and Thousand Cuts with Dante, mash attacks with Nero and spam Swords with Vergil. V kinda can play the same no matter what and get easy style, obviously.
I'm still miffed that we got no extra costumes in DMCV, even in the special edition. This is pretty much a time honored tradition for these types of games at this point.
Probably the change in technology since all clothes are scanned into the game now. Capcom didn’t want to create any new assets. In fact there’s a ton of reused ones across all RE Engine games.
@@cadethumann8605 The way Lady uses the Bayonett-Grapple is similar to Jacques in Onimusha 3. Speaking of Onimusha: - DSD's Sword Formations are identical to Soki's special Swords abilities in Onimusha 4; - Balrog's Blow Mode is similar to Robertos punches; - And Neros DT is identical to Soki's Black Onimusha God Transformation. The funny thing is: just like Dante, Samanosuke the MC of the Series, is the older "Red Demon" that passed the torch to Soki the "Blue Demon" just like Nero.
@@solracstormhunter3023 If only Capcom gave 2 shits about Onimusha. I found the combat in those games, especially 1 and 2, very deep and rewarding. Onimusha 2 was one of the hardest games I had ever played at the time but I was patient, learned the mechanics, and consistently got better at every hurdle I had encountered. Also fuck that creepy nemesis doll in the Xbox version of Onimusha 1.
Funnily enough, that's exactly what Pinnacle of Combat did. Not only did they give her way more melee attack options with the rest of her weapons, but they also gave her WAY more satisfying and snappy movement options. Both Kalina Ann and her Shotgun can essentially be used as midair Trickster dashes. I really hope that game becomes available worldwide so I can play with her. Or at least make her playable in 5 with these new changes.
DMC is as much of Vergil's series as it is Dante's, he's just yet to receive his own game and I'm glad that they actually build him up for all these years.
My exact thought since i first played him He needs his own game He still needs a redemption arc an actual one from all the sins he made since the deginning
The DMC Community has been pleading for years for Vergil to have his own game. DMC 5: SE finally flushed out his moveset too. Give him a game where he gets revenge on a revived Mundus. No forced character switching, just 20 kick-ass levels of Vergil.
@@Foxcade Amen, also 1:14:03 Nero was a boss in the DMC4 Mobile game Refrain, and they balanced him similarly to 5 Dante's boss by keeping his moves in specific string sets. So by looking at the first attack of a combo string you would know what would come next, and Nero as a boss will never counter any of your moves with Buster UNLESS you're far away and do a charge attack like Stinger etc. Mostly likely ran out of time again.
I said to myself out loud "I'll lose it if he uses Judgement Cut End to transition from DMC4 to DMC5" and you did exactly that. This pleases me greatly
So kids, what have we learned today? 1. DMC2 is still bad 2. Capcom really likes making special editions 3. Capcom really needs to release the definitive versions of DMC reboot, 3, and 5 on pc. 4. Switch ports are really overpriced 5. Vergil is awesome
@@SaberRexZealot If you ask me, DMC 2 is the kind of situation where a remake should be a discussion It's a bad stain on the franchise and the dev who was responsible for it bailed out leaving that garbage with someone else They have the skill and potential to turn that around
About dmc3 Vergil: I agree with the main point about his campaign being reused, Vergil does in fact get his own remixes of Taste the Blood and Divine Hate. Divine Hate in particular I prefer to the original because it has more intense guitars and has this really cool start stop pace to it that shows how similar, yet different Vergil is from Dante.
A lot of people have made the DMC Reboot canon in their own way, by either having DMC Dante be attempting to copy mainline Dante, or by it occurring in a parallel reality. After all, the MvC games, and Street Fighter 5 have shown that Capcom has a massive gaming universe/multiverse. I'd love it if reboot Dante got re-introduced to the mainline series. Obviously his name would need to change, but that could simply be him using a pseudonym. Maybe reboot Dante would go by Tony Redgrave (like mainline Dante did in his early years)
@@sev1120 100% wouldn't mind this. DmC Dante is not a bad character at all. It's just he looks like shit because almost every other character was written like shit
Isn't it implied the Virgil was Sparta's favorite, while Dante was probably closer to Eva. Not that either neglected the other but Virgil is given a sword with the power to separate the human world and demon world. Virgil also was definitely the strongest and more driven out of the two siblings to live up to their fathers legacy. if life played out I have little doubt that Vergil would have been Sparta's successor over Dante.
While they were kids Vergil didn't even like fighting. It was the trauma of having to kill demons alone to defend himself that began his search for power
After watching this video i learnt a few life lessons. 1- Nero was cool before and he is still is. 2-You can solve your problems with enough explosions.
Vergil is easily my favorite character to play as for one reason Complexity He is fun as hell and complex, but not too complex as to make the casual player feel that there's too much to deal with, like Dante can sometimes be like
One of my favorite aspects about Vergil is, of all the video game characters I've ever played as, he's the only one that genuinely feels like he grows stronger and more powerful with each game he makes a playable appearance in. In most games that follow up a character's journey, the character doesn't really feel much stronger, it just feels like they pile on more weapons and powers while also taking some away. But with Vergil, he mostly has all the same weapons and powers, it's just they get fine tuned and perfected with each new appearance and gets a few new abilities. That's not to say other games or characters don't do this, it just feels more clear with Vergil to me. DMC3SE establishes the base line for his controls and moveset, from the 3 hit combo he keeps in all of his appearances to his iconic Judgement cut which at this point is just as iconic to vergil as the Yamato. It's ultimately a fairly limited moveset, but those limitations encourage creativity in using his abilities and weapons to the best of their ability. DmC may be infamous for just how bad it is especially in story, but it does add things to Vergil that would become staples in his gameplay from here on. Aside from tweaking his overall control a bit and giving him more combos to work with, it also introduces the Perfect Judgement Cut which, while a bit clunky in its first appearance would go on to be one of Vergil's most valuable tools in other appearances. It also introduces the embedded sword mechanic and giving Vergil doppelganger which he would bring back in 5. And for all the crap DmC understandably gets, it is to this day the only game to give Vergil a proper campaign. Not much of a campaign, but still, it's something. DMC4SE is where Vergil really started breaking the games he appears in. That's not to say he wasn't cool before, he was just a bit more balanced in 3 and DmC, but here, he just snaps the game in half. Aside from once again improving his controls, this game perfected the perfect judgement cut, gave his summoned swords a bit more utility, and introduced us to the concentration gauge which is just the perfect way to incorporate Vergil's character into his gameplay. It also gave us Judgement Cut End which just gives the finger to any enemy in Vergil's way. And finally, DMC5 perfected Vergil's control. From the amazing combos that make each weapon feel like an entire moveset on its own, to the ability to use three perfect judgement cuts back to back, to his little teleport dodges which are the perfect flexing tool for finessing demons, to Judgement Cut End somehow being even cooler along with three other super moves that just obliterate whatever fool stands before you, to having one of the coolest looking Devil Triggers in the series. This Vergil is for people who want to feel like a god among men, he just erases anyone that gets in his path, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Playing each of these appearances one after another gives you this feeling like you're actually watching Vergil's journey for power and seeing him go from just a badass swordsman, to one of the most broken videogame characters ever in the context of their own game, and whether you're the one in control or the one at the other end of his sword, you will remember the power of this motivated son of Sparda
5:45 Believe it or not, it's actually even more mundane than that. In the Bloody Palace co-op stream on the main DMC channel that was meant to hype up the Switch release, Matt Walker (translating for Itsuno) said that the reason why they did this was so that no one could just blast through the game in a weekend, due to 3 not being very long. In other words, the years-old "we don't want rentals to kill us" decision.
Excellent video as always. One small correction though: Dante's royal guard in 5SE is always clearly telegraphed. When he's knocked away after a combo, he'd flash red, say "Royal Guard," and begin slowly walking toward you instead of running or teleporting. Then and only then does he use royal guard, so that's your cue to stop attacking and let him approach. And even if you accidentally attack him when he's in RG stance, his reflect can still be dodged with a timed trick dodge. It's such a good boss fight man
Of course Vergil is the one main character in the series to have ever banged, just look at his literal bangs on his head! Fantastic video mate. Bloody good job
@@Skeledom yes, i've seen the mod, and its kinda(a little) weird seeing "old man" Vergil with bangs, but personally 5 without bangs fits him well and his age Yet he still banged, even without bangs and.. he also "bang" a lady b4
@@AR_1N He definitely was Sparda's favorite for sure, he was much more calm and composed, even as a child he was mature and knew the weight he had to carry ........ the simple fact Sparda gave him Yamato of all things should tell you everything about how much faith he had in him. His mother though, that's a different story
Style is temporary but Motivation is forever Split myself in two, death is all around two souls once lost and now they remember The lyrical contrast here is just breathtaking
Dont you just love the way playing as Trish in Bloody Palace goes from the most fun to making you want to throw yourself into the ocean as soon as a blitz shows up?
Quick correction: The reason why vanilla DMC3 was harder in North America was actually because of gaming rentals, Capcom didn't want players to just burn through the game easily and then return it. The original version of RE4 also had its easy mode removed for America!
So is Woolie the new character added to the DMC Retrospective: Special Edition? Also: Vergil in 3 gets two remixed battle themes, which is at least better than DMC4 where he got nothing, and DmC where he might as well have got nothing. Also also: DmC: Definitive Edition does have one legitimately fantastic addition that I wish 4&5 Special Edition got, Must Style Mode. I’d love to see that come back honestly.
Honestly, as you mentioned the fact how much lore behind Vergil "Burry the Light" covers I wish someone made an MV of that song using all the different materials from different sources to represent it well
I didn't think I would ever hear Vergil described as "bringing forth his inner hot topic twink" or having his ass referring to "cake", but I guess here we are. Great video, I've been into DMC for a little over a month and I've already finished the main story for all the games (except 2 lol). I'll hopefully be catching up on more of your stuff on it!
"A testament to how well he was designed when he was first conceived all the way back during the Bush administration" Holy shit that actually made me realize how long it's been.
@@bradleyreid4853 It's so obnoxious, idk why they thought Vergil constantly having to fight flying enemies on platforms that are like 4 feet across was a good idea
I actually used it as an advantage. I would jump off a ledge, devil grab an enemy, then use the downward sword slash attack to send enemies crashing into the abyss. Useful for harpies and wisps.
Man your Devil May Cry videos are my favourite videos about this series on UA-cam. I freaking love every single one! Thank you for all the time and effort it takes to make these I appreciate it so much and I'm sure many others do too!
Personally, I always saw Vergil breaking the game as him not holding back. I see Dante as having fun and not really trying so he is playing with his food and styling while going through the story where as Vergil is about ruthless efficiency so he isn’t messing around while going through the story. Dante could break game like Vergil if he wanted to but that wouldn’t be as fun.
I honestly hope that if they ever update this, Lady and Trish get the same update scale as Vergil got. Like you said, Lady is a proof of concept, and could do with being fully realized
Now this was quite the video to watch, all about Vergil, I like playing as him myself and his theme, bury the Light.....SO FUCKING AMAZING! Casey that genius deserves a lot of credit for making it. Love it, another great analysis video on a series I love. No telling what will come next for devil may cry but I look forward to the next chapter.
This is pretty good, I like these retrospectives because you explains mechanics I'll never be good at, but love to learn about anyways. Plus you're so passionate about everything you talk about it's hard to not want to listen.
I’ll always appreciate Devil May Cry, it’s such a special title in my eyes It’s definitely got flaws but I can speak for many that it’s the greatest character-action game ever
Two small things to mention about your segment of DMC5 SE 1. Vergil's Trick Dodge has longer recovery and gaps in i-frames by default, BUT if you time the dodge just before an attack hits, Vergil can chain multiple Trick Dodges with no gaps in i-frames, much like Nero's Table Hopper. Except unlike Nero, Vergil can chain as many dodges as he wants lol. Great for building Concentration and DT as well. 2. When fighting him as Vergil, Dante counterattacks with Royal Revenge, not Royal Release. And on top of it being possible to dodge the reprisal with good timing, the slowdown when Dante activates Royal Revenge helps telegraph the incoming attack. In some cases, you can even use it to your advantage by deliberately activating Dante's Royal Revenge and attacking after dodging it (though I don't think Dante will be in hitstun).
I just noticed and I am immediately obsessed with the Jackpot scene. Not only did Vergil DEFINITELY try to hit Dante to stop him, Dante knew that shit was coming and dodged it just ending it with both of them playing off the sudden violence so smoothly.
Aight you NEED to be made aware, as often as necessary, of the fact that 1hr+ of Vergil and DMC talk is a luscious treat for fans of the series. You have a way of working nuance into your delivery that prevents it from feeling like a copout and only makes me excited about the details you might've missed/skipped in your presentation. (e.g. your point on Royal Guard, which includes a special slowmo effect and is limited to the weaker version of Dante's gameplay for balance). And those 2 things are VERY praiseworthy.
This video was worth the wait, thanks a bunch! I'm sure we don't need to wait another decade for a video game since DMC5 ended the saga and served as a finale which I'm fine with it ending the series(still no ladies night spin-off game but I guess I can try to be okay with it). The modders had already made PvP and literally everything to make the game look a lot better than Capcom's snarky decision-making, so there's no worries here. Vergil is truly a fan-favourite of the series with his technical gameplay as if you feel like Vergil, and 5 did a great job at that than in 3SE, in my opinion.
I loved DmC: even though i played DMC4 first, i have played DMC5 and it is number 1 for me but DmC: has a special regard in my heart! I will always love this game no matter what people say....
I learned recently that if you consecutively do perfect judgement cut, Vergil actually says Jackpot 😁 This especially is nice character trait that makes me love Vergil despite him refusing to say it in the end cutscene.
16:09 Vergil does get his own battle themes, remixes of Dante's themes from the main game. Sure it's no bury the light situation but it's definitely his own. Also Vergil's divine hate is easily my favorite DMC battle theme. Also yeah i realized I'm 2 years late and you've probably heard this 150 times
Watched this long ass video from start to finish. 10/10! (I even started to redownload the original DMC trilogy for Xbox One while watching this bc I’m definitely gonna be playing some this weekend now) Great work here.
I just hope that if Lady's Night DLC somehow comes to fruition, Nico and maybe even Lucia can be utilized more, nico can be their new gunsmith, and I just wanna see lucia not casted into the heartless sea.
This was an incredible video. Really glad to see this series hadn't been quite over. Fantastic work across the board. Your editing proves itself top notch as usual. I don't really agree that concentration is a good mechanic tho, because intentionally whiffing attacks for stylish movement is something that is extremely fun to do and something which allows for a lot of creativity within DMC. Concentration punishes you for doing so. Also little correction. The Dante bossfight in 5 only has him do Royal Revenge. Royal Release would be unreactable and have him explode through you in an instant, most likely killing you in the process. Revenge in 5 you can relatively easily just dodge out of the way of, especially since anytime he's about to do it there's a big slowdown effect. It really isn't that bad. Personally I think it would have been cooler if he could also royal release you, as I believe he does in 4, but that'd just be unfair so nevermind. And quick tip. Trick cancels are good, but they still have traveltime and don't look too good. If you wanna repeatedly link Lunar Phase it's probably better to simply do it using JCs. Flows a lot more nicely
For avoiding getting clapped by Royal Guard release, when he says “Royal Guard” wait for him to strike than counter attack. If you do activate his release a well timed trick dodge will save you.
When Nero was dying in Argus's lab, and Vergil's spirit spoke to him through the shattered Yamato, Nero heard a voice in his head. "What is it you seek?" Nero replied. "Power." "Then do as I have... and move your 'Shoot' button to a shoulder button.'" [ -Easy Mode- Charge Shot is now selectable ]
I love how he said at the end of the DMC5 retrospective that it might be his last DMC video for a long time, and then he did another one less than a year later.
Thanks for the love on Bury the Light! \m/ \m/
No problem Casey, thanks for the work you did with Bury the Light and Devil Trigger! Favorite themes of the series.
Holy shit it's the man himself
thank YOU for all the great art you contributed to this game!
Bury the Light is literally the thing of musical dreams for a theory nerd like me
*claps for legendary song*
Vergil is one of the few video game bosses that actually gets STRONGER when he's playable
Well with the exception of the flying skill. Imagine flying like a jet with his sdt form... That would be cool LMAO!
@@platzstarlight who needs flying when you can just i-frame pretty much anytime
@@platzstarlight I'd imagine that's what Deep Stinger is meant to represent. It also trivializes Furies on DMD
@@tahraki4918 I rarely use deep stinger on furies because I usually timed my Hell on Earth right when it spawns if I am lazy or straight out just play parry with it till it die for dt gauge and style points... But what I meant was the skill the final boss Vergil is using, the one where he charges for awhile then fly out from the map and tries knocking you down for 3 times.
@@platzstarlight I know. I was trying to say that Deep Stinger is probably meant to replicate the Vergil Plane.
It amuses me to no end that even as an NPC boss fight, royal guard is still horrifically broken.
Only this time *we* have to suffer through it.
I'm sorry Vergil. I'm sorry I put you through this so many times.
I regret nothing. Being on the receiving end only makes me want to royal release twice as hard
Imagine if we could play as dante vs dante and royal release his royal release
I wonder what would happen
@@HeyMomonia You can do it in DMC4
@@SKR-97 I will never be able to beat dmc4's bloody palace thanks to the f*cking blitz
Always out of time thanks to those fuckers
@@HeyMomonia Ah, I see You're a mad scientist as well
Willing to wait another decade for Capcom to let me play as Crew Cut
It's absurd that Vergil's supposed to be this focused and elegant "Win in a few hits" kind of guy but in-game he's just the "Spam OP moves that make you invincible or let you JC from across the room also never stop mashing summoned swords EVER" guyy.
I knew I recognized the "sexiest voice in the world." Super Meat Booooy!
Love your videos, man
I remember when they said that Crew Cut was a reference/cameo to another game.
And we never figured out what it was.
@@JasonGodwin69 but aren't bosses that you can recruit later always like this?
@@JasonGodwin69 Fun fact: Every DMC character has the ability to be brain dead and let you mash the big hit buttons to get through. However, doing it in a cool way is what makes each character wildly different. Dante swaps between weapons, Nero times his Max-Act and focuses on charging Blue Rose, Vergil has his accuracy and skillful play.
Or you can use Stinger and Thousand Cuts with Dante, mash attacks with Nero and spam Swords with Vergil.
V kinda can play the same no matter what and get easy style, obviously.
I'm still miffed that we got no extra costumes in DMCV, even in the special edition. This is pretty much a time honored tradition for these types of games at this point.
Probably the change in technology since all clothes are scanned into the game now. Capcom didn’t want to create any new assets. In fact there’s a ton of reused ones across all RE Engine games.
@@SaberRexZealot Remake2 had multiple customes
What does miffed mean? I’ve never heard that before
@@Darkstar18773 miffed means annoyed.
Let down
50:34 "Royal Guard this you fucking casual!"
noice
53:45 "Give Lady a shotgun move tha increases her mobility"
Doomguy:
*Stares at his meathook*
Interestingly, in DMC3, Lady and Dante were able to use a grappling hook (the latter using it as a style move to pull enemies towards him).
@@cadethumann8605
The way Lady uses the Bayonett-Grapple is similar to Jacques in Onimusha 3.
Speaking of Onimusha:
- DSD's Sword Formations are identical to Soki's special Swords abilities in Onimusha 4;
- Balrog's Blow Mode is similar to Robertos punches;
- And Neros DT is identical to Soki's Black Onimusha God Transformation.
The funny thing is: just like Dante, Samanosuke the MC of the Series, is the older "Red Demon" that passed the torch to Soki the "Blue Demon" just like Nero.
@@solracstormhunter3023 If only Capcom gave 2 shits about Onimusha. I found the combat in those games, especially 1 and 2, very deep and rewarding. Onimusha 2 was one of the hardest games I had ever played at the time but I was patient, learned the mechanics, and consistently got better at every hurdle I had encountered.
Also fuck that creepy nemesis doll in the Xbox version of Onimusha 1.
Funnily enough, that's exactly what Pinnacle of Combat did. Not only did they give her way more melee attack options with the rest of her weapons, but they also gave her WAY more satisfying and snappy movement options. Both Kalina Ann and her Shotgun can essentially be used as midair Trickster dashes. I really hope that game becomes available worldwide so I can play with her. Or at least make her playable in 5 with these new changes.
“unf”
Vergil is the only video game character that is OP in every game he is playable in.
Nah. DMC3 you have to at least know how to use him. He doesn’t have BS aoe moves
@kollie79 They don’t even compare to Judgement Cut, Hell on Earth, etc
Is he OP in mvc3?
I used Vergil in DMD and I only made it to mission 19, with Dante only mission 2. So yes, Vergil is broken af and we love him.
@kollie79 ah ok then
Vergil has precision driven gameplay
Also vergil:
Hell on earth go b-r-r-r-r-
Now I'm a little motivated B O O M
that’s the “fuck off I ain’t got time for this bullshit” move
@@brancolt_ I have no time to style on you, here take a full powered flash of light at your eyes
Precisely.
@@nathanielbaldevino5364
Urizen more like your reason to cheese this fight.
Disappointed you didn’t have the plastic chair mod on at all in this entire video
Well, mods can only really be added on pc so disappointing
This dude *NEEDS* to be in his own game.
He really deserves it.
DMC is as much of Vergil's series as it is Dante's, he's just yet to receive his own game and I'm glad that they actually build him up for all these years.
My exact thought since i first played him
He needs his own game
He still needs a redemption arc an actual one from all the sins he made since the deginning
The DMC Community has been pleading for years for Vergil to have his own game. DMC 5: SE finally flushed out his moveset too. Give him a game where he gets revenge on a revived Mundus. No forced character switching, just 20 kick-ass levels of Vergil.
Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3
Featuring Woolie from Super Best Friends franchise
It’s great that they gave him his own series after cancelling the main one.
;_;
I guess now its Woolie Vs franchise
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;_;7 F
yo thanks for the shoutout man, the modding community loves all the support you guys give
Thanks for all the work you guys do improving the game and covering up for Capcoms slip ups!
@@Foxcade Amen, also 1:14:03 Nero was a boss in the DMC4 Mobile game Refrain, and they balanced him similarly to 5 Dante's boss by keeping his moves in specific string sets. So by looking at the first attack of a combo string you would know what would come next, and Nero as a boss will never counter any of your moves with Buster UNLESS you're far away and do a charge attack like Stinger etc.
Mostly likely ran out of time again.
When you are single on Valentine's Day, but Foxcade uploads an hout long video about DMC.
*perfectly balanced, as all things should be*
That's because Vergil is the best girl
@@SlavoidUkr Best boy. Vergil is male.
@@TheFLAMEXD bold of you to assume sex matters in order to be called "the best girl"
@@SlavoidUkr It does. Why create terms like husbando and best boy if you don’t use them?
@@TheFLAMEXD it was more of a joke response... you know...
Btw Do people actually use "husbando"? I know it exists, but it's never used
an Hour of nothing but Vergil talk?.....Sign me the hell up!
We need more of these
I said to myself out loud "I'll lose it if he uses Judgement Cut End to transition from DMC4 to DMC5" and you did exactly that.
This pleases me greatly
So kids, what have we learned today?
1. DMC2 is still bad
2. Capcom really likes making special editions
3. Capcom really needs to release the definitive versions of DMC reboot, 3, and 5 on pc.
4. Switch ports are really overpriced
5. Vergil is awesome
Capcom should do a complete remake of DMC 2
start that shit from ground zero and actually make it a good game this time
6. PC always gets fucked over.
@@DeeMulaah Or… we could just forget about it and get DMC6
@@SaberRexZealot DMC2 has potential as a remake. They can actually make the story coherent and make the combat better/characters.
@@SaberRexZealot If you ask me, DMC 2 is the kind of situation where a remake should be a discussion
It's a bad stain on the franchise and the dev who was responsible for it bailed out leaving that garbage with someone else
They have the skill and potential to turn that around
About dmc3 Vergil: I agree with the main point about his campaign being reused, Vergil does in fact get his own remixes of Taste the Blood and Divine Hate.
Divine Hate in particular I prefer to the original because it has more intense guitars and has this really cool start stop pace to it that shows how similar, yet different Vergil is from Dante.
Despite how the fandom treats dmc reboot its creator seems to actually be fine with it and even embrace it at times, which I appreciate
i love the reboot
A lot of people have made the DMC Reboot canon in their own way, by either having DMC Dante be attempting to copy mainline Dante, or by it occurring in a parallel reality.
After all, the MvC games, and Street Fighter 5 have shown that Capcom has a massive gaming universe/multiverse.
I'd love it if reboot Dante got re-introduced to the mainline series. Obviously his name would need to change, but that could simply be him using a pseudonym. Maybe reboot Dante would go by Tony Redgrave (like mainline Dante did in his early years)
@@sev1120 100% wouldn't mind this. DmC Dante is not a bad character at all. It's just he looks like shit because almost every other character was written like shit
@@sev1120 for me dmc is just a fever dream dante had after eating a moldy slice of pizza and not having a functional toilet.
More than that. Itsuno REALLY likes the Reboot and actually planned to make a sequel.
Isn't it implied the Virgil was Sparta's favorite, while Dante was probably closer to Eva. Not that either neglected the other but Virgil is given a sword with the power to separate the human world and demon world. Virgil also was definitely the strongest and more driven out of the two siblings to live up to their fathers legacy. if life played out I have little doubt that Vergil would have been Sparta's successor over Dante.
While they were kids Vergil didn't even like fighting. It was the trauma of having to kill demons alone to defend himself that began his search for power
Vergil*
@@KaitouKaiju where did you heard that Virgil didn't like fighting
That's only from 3. Dante was given the Force Edge in the original plot, and Vergil was just a corpse lol
After watching this video i learnt a few life lessons.
1- Nero was cool before and he is still is.
2-You can solve your problems with enough explosions.
Vergil is easily my favorite character to play as for one reason
Complexity
He is fun as hell and complex, but not too complex as to make the casual player feel that there's too much to deal with, like Dante can sometimes be like
One of my favorite aspects about Vergil is, of all the video game characters I've ever played as, he's the only one that genuinely feels like he grows stronger and more powerful with each game he makes a playable appearance in. In most games that follow up a character's journey, the character doesn't really feel much stronger, it just feels like they pile on more weapons and powers while also taking some away. But with Vergil, he mostly has all the same weapons and powers, it's just they get fine tuned and perfected with each new appearance and gets a few new abilities. That's not to say other games or characters don't do this, it just feels more clear with Vergil to me.
DMC3SE establishes the base line for his controls and moveset, from the 3 hit combo he keeps in all of his appearances to his iconic Judgement cut which at this point is just as iconic to vergil as the Yamato. It's ultimately a fairly limited moveset, but those limitations encourage creativity in using his abilities and weapons to the best of their ability.
DmC may be infamous for just how bad it is especially in story, but it does add things to Vergil that would become staples in his gameplay from here on. Aside from tweaking his overall control a bit and giving him more combos to work with, it also introduces the Perfect Judgement Cut which, while a bit clunky in its first appearance would go on to be one of Vergil's most valuable tools in other appearances. It also introduces the embedded sword mechanic and giving Vergil doppelganger which he would bring back in 5. And for all the crap DmC understandably gets, it is to this day the only game to give Vergil a proper campaign. Not much of a campaign, but still, it's something.
DMC4SE is where Vergil really started breaking the games he appears in. That's not to say he wasn't cool before, he was just a bit more balanced in 3 and DmC, but here, he just snaps the game in half. Aside from once again improving his controls, this game perfected the perfect judgement cut, gave his summoned swords a bit more utility, and introduced us to the concentration gauge which is just the perfect way to incorporate Vergil's character into his gameplay. It also gave us Judgement Cut End which just gives the finger to any enemy in Vergil's way.
And finally, DMC5 perfected Vergil's control. From the amazing combos that make each weapon feel like an entire moveset on its own, to the ability to use three perfect judgement cuts back to back, to his little teleport dodges which are the perfect flexing tool for finessing demons, to Judgement Cut End somehow being even cooler along with three other super moves that just obliterate whatever fool stands before you, to having one of the coolest looking Devil Triggers in the series. This Vergil is for people who want to feel like a god among men, he just erases anyone that gets in his path, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Playing each of these appearances one after another gives you this feeling like you're actually watching Vergil's journey for power and seeing him go from just a badass swordsman, to one of the most broken videogame characters ever in the context of their own game, and whether you're the one in control or the one at the other end of his sword, you will remember the power of this motivated son of Sparda
I said "He Fun" a second before you did and it makes me happy that others feel the same about this edgy boy.
5:45 Believe it or not, it's actually even more mundane than that. In the Bloody Palace co-op stream on the main DMC channel that was meant to hype up the Switch release, Matt Walker (translating for Itsuno) said that the reason why they did this was so that no one could just blast through the game in a weekend, due to 3 not being very long. In other words, the years-old "we don't want rentals to kill us" decision.
Excellent video as always. One small correction though: Dante's royal guard in 5SE is always clearly telegraphed. When he's knocked away after a combo, he'd flash red, say "Royal Guard," and begin slowly walking toward you instead of running or teleporting. Then and only then does he use royal guard, so that's your cue to stop attacking and let him approach.
And even if you accidentally attack him when he's in RG stance, his reflect can still be dodged with a timed trick dodge.
It's such a good boss fight man
The trick I love to call it *ROYAL DODGE!*
The Woolie pop up sacred the shit outta me
How do you think I felt?
Wait where’s this part at?
@@RileyJ3866
0:42
Of course Vergil is the one main character in the series to have ever banged, just look at his literal bangs on his head!
Fantastic video mate. Bloody good job
Too bad he doesn't have that in 5/5SE
And i don't mind it, it fits his "old man' look
@@ihevmilkdhou would be cool to have it as a costume but you can always mod it in the PC version
@@Skeledom yes, i've seen the mod, and its kinda(a little) weird seeing "old man" Vergil with bangs, but personally 5 without bangs fits him well and his age
Yet he still banged, even without bangs
and.. he also "bang" a lady b4
I’m pretty sure Dante deepdicked Lady and Trish raw on the regular
@@desmonides Dante doesn't know what sex is
If nothing else I want Casey Edwards to do all of the character themes for DMC6
ngl i can't imagine dmc without devil trigger and bury the light now, would be hard to get used to even if casey did it
If he doesn’t do all of the themes then at least let him do all of Vergil’s themes.
You're just gonna casually have Woolie drop by like it's nothing?
I know not who this Woolie is, but he looks like a scrublord.
@@maxspecs he’s a pretty cool dude who I a massive fan of both DMC and Vergil.
@@maxspecs feel bad for you
All Canadians know each other
‘’Sparda’s second favorite son’’
I can’t help but feel bad after that sentence
Me too, but I highly doubt he was second favorite
@@AR_1N He was given the yamato.
@@AR_1N He definitely was Sparda's favorite for sure, he was much more calm and composed, even as a child he was mature and knew the weight he had to carry ........ the simple fact Sparda gave him Yamato of all things should tell you everything about how much faith he had in him. His mother though, that's a different story
@@sephikong8323 He got Yamato because he was the oldest I believe.
@@sephikong8323 Vergil was a daddy's boy, and Dante was a mommy's boy
Man it feels like not too long ago Foxcade was saying it’s be crazy just to be mentioned by the SBF crew.
Sbf?
The super best friends, the guy who popped up at the start is woolie, a HUGE fan of Vergil.
@@pachychon SO much of a Vergil fan, I’m sure he nutted when Vergil showed up in DMC5. And technically started the Judgment Nut meme. XD
Style is temporary but Motivation is forever
Split myself in two, death is all around
two souls once lost and now they remember
The lyrical contrast here is just breathtaking
Summery: Vergil is motivated by fear of being powerless, or rather is motivated to be powerful so that he never has to be powerless
Calling Vergil “Sparda’s second favorite son” hits different. Because it also means that he’s the least favorite. That hurts
The boss when you fight him,the boss when you play as him
Vergil:”and I took that personally”
Dont you just love the way playing as Trish in Bloody Palace goes from the most fun to making you want to throw yourself into the ocean as soon as a blitz shows up?
"Trish's first time in a functional game" ...b-but Mahvel...
Dmc4 came out years before MvC 3
@@KaitouKaijushe wasnt playable till AFTER mvc3
I've been playing SOOOOO much DMC5 lately. Vergil might just be the most fun character ever.
Agreed
Thr first time i got Royal Released
Me: " Huh, so thats what that feels like"
You need to learn the *ROYAL DODGE!*
I love Virgil he’s really awesome and badass and his gameplay is tons of fun.
It's pretty awesome that fully one third of Vergil's chosen weaponry are a pair of furry boots and gloves.
Are you talking shit about Beowulf? Because nobody talks shit about Beowulf, bub.
'DMC4 Vergil breaks the game over his knee'. I mean.. I see no problem here..
Quick correction: The reason why vanilla DMC3 was harder in North America was actually because of gaming rentals, Capcom didn't want players to just burn through the game easily and then return it. The original version of RE4 also had its easy mode removed for America!
Im shocked he didnt talk about how broken judgement cut is in 5 lmao
So is Woolie the new character added to the DMC Retrospective: Special Edition?
Also: Vergil in 3 gets two remixed battle themes, which is at least better than DMC4 where he got nothing, and DmC where he might as well have got nothing.
Also also: DmC: Definitive Edition does have one legitimately fantastic addition that I wish 4&5 Special Edition got, Must Style Mode. I’d love to see that come back honestly.
Couldnt agreed more, God Must Die mode and Must style mechanic should be added in DMC5SE.
@@MikeZhu114 Yeah, I forgot about that one but it was another great addition.
Honestly, as you mentioned the fact how much lore behind Vergil "Burry the Light" covers I wish someone made an MV of that song using all the different materials from different sources to represent it well
Given how I rewatched the entire retrospective recently, this was a treat. Great work Fox.
If Lady was given any sort of way to use melee, it would be super cool if she got a whip. Almost like how Jacque from Onimusha 3 had got an Oni Whip
I didn't think I would ever hear Vergil described as "bringing forth his inner hot topic twink" or having his ass referring to "cake", but I guess here we are. Great video, I've been into DMC for a little over a month and I've already finished the main story for all the games (except 2 lol). I'll hopefully be catching up on more of your stuff on it!
I just LOVE the cutscene at the end of Vergil's campaign in 5
"A testament to how well he was designed when he was first conceived all the way back during the Bush administration"
Holy shit that actually made me realize how long it's been.
I didn’t expect to be motivated today, thanks bro.
DmC Vergil's got some cool shit, it's just a shame he's stuck in that awful DLC campaign
yea i enjoyed Dantes campaign more then Vergil since you would fall off the edges all the time.
@@bradleyreid4853 It's so obnoxious, idk why they thought Vergil constantly having to fight flying enemies on platforms that are like 4 feet across was a good idea
I actually used it as an advantage. I would jump off a ledge, devil grab an enemy, then use the downward sword slash attack to send enemies crashing into the abyss. Useful for harpies and wisps.
DMC4 In a nutshell
@Gold Star Gaming Still better then any other western action game at least
Man your Devil May Cry videos are my favourite videos about this series on UA-cam. I freaking love every single one! Thank you for all the time and effort it takes to make these I appreciate it so much and I'm sure many others do too!
Personally, I always saw Vergil breaking the game as him not holding back. I see Dante as having fun and not really trying so he is playing with his food and styling while going through the story where as Vergil is about ruthless efficiency so he isn’t messing around while going through the story. Dante could break game like Vergil if he wanted to but that wouldn’t be as fun.
Idk man, there’s only one of them that can 1 shot the other on DMD (in 5) and it ain’t Vergil…
""Foolishness, Dante. Foolishness. Might controls everything. And without strength you can not protect anything. Let alone yourself.""
Vergil looks less like Dante in every DMC game he’s appeared in since DMC3 and more like Nero
I honestly hope that if they ever update this, Lady and Trish get the same update scale as Vergil got. Like you said, Lady is a proof of concept, and could do with being fully realized
Yeah, the fact that her and Trish only being playable in 4 is lame...
The lack of comments about the transition at 4:04 is criminal. Super well done.
THIS IS THE POWER OF SPARDA
Great video my dude!
Now this was quite the video to watch, all about Vergil, I like playing as him myself and his theme, bury the Light.....SO FUCKING AMAZING! Casey that genius deserves a lot of credit for making it.
Love it, another great analysis video on a series I love. No telling what will come next for devil may cry but I look forward to the next chapter.
This is pretty good, I like these retrospectives because you explains mechanics I'll never be good at, but love to learn about anyways. Plus you're so passionate about everything you talk about it's hard to not want to listen.
76 minites of M O T I V A T I O N.
LET'S GOOOOOOO.
I’ll always appreciate Devil May Cry, it’s such a special title in my eyes
It’s definitely got flaws but I can speak for many that it’s the greatest character-action game ever
Capcom will always make sure we know this devil's power!
A hour long vid discussing the gameplay of special editions and playable Vergil’s evolution on Valentine’s Day? This makes me “motivated” 😎.
Two small things to mention about your segment of DMC5 SE
1. Vergil's Trick Dodge has longer recovery and gaps in i-frames by default, BUT if you time the dodge just before an attack hits, Vergil can chain multiple Trick Dodges with no gaps in i-frames, much like Nero's Table Hopper. Except unlike Nero, Vergil can chain as many dodges as he wants lol. Great for building Concentration and DT as well.
2. When fighting him as Vergil, Dante counterattacks with Royal Revenge, not Royal Release. And on top of it being possible to dodge the reprisal with good timing, the slowdown when Dante activates Royal Revenge helps telegraph the incoming attack. In some cases, you can even use it to your advantage by deliberately activating Dante's Royal Revenge and attacking after dodging it (though I don't think Dante will be in hitstun).
I just noticed how Vergil tries to attack Dante to stop him from saying "Jackpot" at 1:16:23
A very fun and nice detail imo
I just noticed and I am immediately obsessed with the Jackpot scene. Not only did Vergil DEFINITELY try to hit Dante to stop him, Dante knew that shit was coming and dodged it just ending it with both of them playing off the sudden violence so smoothly.
Aight you NEED to be made aware, as often as necessary, of the fact that 1hr+ of Vergil and DMC talk is a luscious treat for fans of the series.
You have a way of working nuance into your delivery that prevents it from feeling like a copout and only makes me excited about the details you might've missed/skipped in your presentation. (e.g. your point on Royal Guard, which includes a special slowmo effect and is limited to the weaker version of Dante's gameplay for balance).
And those 2 things are VERY praiseworthy.
This video was worth the wait, thanks a bunch! I'm sure we don't need to wait another decade for a video game since DMC5 ended the saga and served as a finale which I'm fine with it ending the series(still no ladies night spin-off game but I guess I can try to be okay with it). The modders had already made PvP and literally everything to make the game look a lot better than Capcom's snarky decision-making, so there's no worries here. Vergil is truly a fan-favourite of the series with his technical gameplay as if you feel like Vergil, and 5 did a great job at that than in 3SE, in my opinion.
26:55 mexican Dante with Spanish accent, loving it
Vergil was playable in a non-rerelease before. He was in Project X Zone 2. Granted, that was a sequel, but it's still the only version of the game.
Still I love the “Easy Mode is now available” They should kept that tbh.
Woolie ain't paying you to talk about how sick Vergil is unless you surpass that one hour mark GOD DAMN YOU.
I loved DmC: even though i played DMC4 first, i have played DMC5 and it is number 1 for me but DmC: has a special regard in my heart! I will always love this game no matter what people say....
Vergil an awesome playable character but it's long overdue for him to have his own levels.
All I can say is that pulling an SSS when I use Sin Devil Trigger and the chorus kicks in...oh boy, that is some fire
Everyone's motivated about Woolie (myself included) while I'm here surprised and wondering if this 1:04:40 was Punk Duck. Great video btw!
As someone who is garbage at DMC I'm glad people explain it in ways I can enjoy.
Is that a storm approaching?
Yes
Bury the Light motivated me to look up Vergil lore.
My motivation shot up to 200% when I saw the noti
Almost halfway through the video and it made my week better. thanks for the video Fox and keep up the good work I love your content.
I learned recently that if you consecutively do perfect judgement cut, Vergil actually says Jackpot 😁
This especially is nice character trait that makes me love Vergil despite him refusing to say it in the end cutscene.
God, I wish I had someone in my life who shared half as much passion in this stuff as you do, Fox.
16:09 Vergil does get his own battle themes, remixes of Dante's themes from the main game. Sure it's no bury the light situation but it's definitely his own.
Also Vergil's divine hate is easily my favorite DMC battle theme.
Also yeah i realized I'm 2 years late and you've probably heard this 150 times
Watched this long ass video from start to finish. 10/10! (I even started to redownload the original DMC trilogy for Xbox One while watching this bc I’m definitely gonna be playing some this weekend now) Great work here.
I just hope that if Lady's Night DLC somehow comes to fruition, Nico and maybe even Lucia can be utilized more, nico can be their new gunsmith, and I just wanna see lucia not casted into the heartless sea.
This was an incredible video. Really glad to see this series hadn't been quite over. Fantastic work across the board. Your editing proves itself top notch as usual.
I don't really agree that concentration is a good mechanic tho, because intentionally whiffing attacks for stylish movement is something that is extremely fun to do and something which allows for a lot of creativity within DMC. Concentration punishes you for doing so.
Also little correction. The Dante bossfight in 5 only has him do Royal Revenge. Royal Release would be unreactable and have him explode through you in an instant, most likely killing you in the process. Revenge in 5 you can relatively easily just dodge out of the way of, especially since anytime he's about to do it there's a big slowdown effect. It really isn't that bad. Personally I think it would have been cooler if he could also royal release you, as I believe he does in 4, but that'd just be unfair so nevermind.
And quick tip. Trick cancels are good, but they still have traveltime and don't look too good. If you wanna repeatedly link Lunar Phase it's probably better to simply do it using JCs. Flows a lot more nicely
For avoiding getting clapped by Royal Guard release, when he says “Royal Guard” wait for him to strike than counter attack. If you do activate his release a well timed trick dodge will save you.
When Nero was dying in Argus's lab, and Vergil's spirit spoke to him through the shattered Yamato, Nero heard a voice in his head.
"What is it you seek?"
Nero replied. "Power."
"Then do as I have... and move your 'Shoot' button to a shoulder button.'"
[ -Easy Mode- Charge Shot is now selectable ]
Can we just agree that 2005 is a certified hood classic at this point
Amazing video one of my favorite franchises of all time
Imma put a target on myself but: Bury the Light is a prime example of that Metal By Numbers skit.
I mean sure, but pizza is just dough sauce and cheese, follow a guide and it'll still taste amazing 🤷♀️
Maybe, but GOD does is still SLAP
This video is beautiful. I feel your passion for this series and I feel the same way, Vergil is easily one of the coolest characters ever.
For what it's worth, DMC: Devil May Cry was my first DMC game. And, for what it's worth, I enjoyed it.
Go check out Hyve mind he was was in the same position playing the reboot first and really liking it
I love how he said at the end of the DMC5 retrospective that it might be his last DMC video for a long time, and then he did another one less than a year later.
Glad I'm not not the only why feels overwhelmed with DMC 4 Dante.
to me the DMC 3 SE switch release means I got in to this series at the perfect timing