The HONEST Truth About Your Average Trump Voter
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“What if they ban lube? They can’t ban WD40.”
Based
Oil Based
I have a 55 gallon drum of coconut oil in my bedroom because I, uh, love frying things.
Not water based though.
Man, none of you all ever leave the house. WD-40 is a solvent. It is not a lube. It's the reason why you can't use it on plastic. Or you shouldn't use it on plastic. I sure hope you are not putting solvents on the delicate parts of your body.
Funniest thing is they are at least trying to ban wd-40 because of some not so good additives.
The conservatives may collectively not be all advocating actively for your rights to be stripped away, but unless it directly affects them, they're not in any hurry to stop it, they'll watch it all burn as long as they believe their house won't get lit up.
You realize Republican voters say the same exact thing about Democrat voters, right? Like Trump supporters absolutely see Biden the same way you see Trump, as a possible dictator. As stripping away freedoms. Try to set up their party as a totalitarian authority. It's all the same shit from both sides. The whole argument is stupid.
You are completely wrong to feel safe.
Support for gay marriage was at roughly 85% in a Nationwide survey in the Weimarer Republik AND in the Third Reich alike. Support for gay adoption was both at roughly the same rate. Support for abortion rights was roughly 90% throughout.
Compare it to American numbers and you will find to have double the amount of anti abortion advocates.... yet Hitler revoked the right with just half as many supporting him.
You had more Opposition to gay adoption...yet Hitler even murdered gays.
Hitler was not voted in - he was military putsched in. Armed military walked with the voters into the Booth and told them what to do. The vote was about as free as in China. Less free than the last vote for Putin in Russia.
Remember the storm on the Capitol?! You escaped so narrowly...you will never understand. You Really SHOULD be scared.
"But the lion wouldn't eat my face"
- maga.
Yes it will and why are you fine with it eating your neighbor?
I don't fear extremist voters, I fear voter apathy.
YES. This 1000x. If the country falls into fascist madness, it will be the fault of apathetic and/or st*pid left-leaning voters.
I fear everything and everyone (I'm anxious)
@@adrianalicea6704Omniphobia
I fear apathy, but I fear extremists more.
@@marginis the extremist are outnumbered by average Americans
"I Love The Poorly Educated"
Donald Trump
The mask slipped when he said that
The funny thing is you thinking it was a "slip". The mask has been off the whole time 😆 🤣
Blessed be the poor in spirit 2.0
“We won the evangelicals. We won with young. We won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with poorly educated," before exclaiming "I love the poorly educated!"
Lol definitely a mask slip moment.
Tell me a man can get pregnant again
While i do get what Vaush is saying and agree with it mostly, i would point out that the white neighbor also probably wouldn't do anything if police showed up to haul his grilling buddy away. There WERE a lot of German's who were horrified by what the Nazzies were doing yet didn't really do anything meaningful when it came time to put up or shut up.
"Most" yes. Some might even say "serves them right" while being afraid that they might be the next for some slight they're not sure they did. (I mean most of us swallow hard when police is behind us, even if they don't stop us)
His mistake is assuming that you need a majority of the country to be full Nazis in order for it to descend into Nazism. Like it's a democratic thing or something.
Only a minority of people in 30s Germany were full on Nazis...
And we call those Germans... Nazi. They were nazis too.
Apart from asking some questions I think most people won't try to stop them. Not everyone is a hero willing to put their own selves in harms way by causing trouble with the cops.
America is too large for such nonsense. And it’s armed.
I generally agree with the point, but Vaush is getting the tall white guy who maybe looks like their kid benefit. I'm short and Black, I personally wouldn't try it again.
That’s fair. I wouldn’t be comfortable doing this without knowing my ride home and sending my location out to people because I’m very small and femme presenting.
Yeah that’s what I kept thinking the whole time he was talking about it. He can do it, without fear or repercussions, but even if the few nice people you are talking to at the bar are fine with what you referencing your sexuality, the whole bar doesn’t hear it. If your outward appearance makes you a target to bigots however, the likelihood that someone else in the bar gets up confronts you is something Vaush likely never has to think about (unless he was at a bar full of tankies or something)
Yeah I mostly agree with what he's saying about the average person, but I think it's definitely downplaying just how many people are genuinely vile but are just polite in public or towards people who they don't think they could physically overpower if they needed to
Even if you go out and none of these people directly harass you, a whole lot of them are going to think or say absolutely disgusting things about you as soon as you're not there to react to it
As a gay and effeminate man who was born, raised, and still lives in Florida. The PEOPLE are mostly fine. You can talk to anyone about anything, and the most you'll get is polite disagreement. Are there nazis? Yes! Are they common? No, and unless they're with their friends, the hateful rhetoric doesn't really come up.
I live with a family who voted for Trump twice. I get compliments from said family about the women clothes I wear.
Makes you wonder why they keep voting for fascists.
@@Turai12Facists aren't rational, voters aren't rational. You gotta remember facism is a self destructive ideaology. The Nazies were bumbling idiots who had a lot of power.
The problem aren‘t the outright, explicit fascists and nazis. They don‘t have enough numbers to win.
The danger are EXACTLY the people you describe here: generally good people who either actually don‘t see that MAGA is fascist, OR have lied to themselves enough to convince themselves that „they are not that bad“.
The family you live with is dangerous, because they are the non-evil people who will give enough votes to the evil people so they can enforce their fascism.
@@Turai12 Probably bc they're constantly exposed to their own political ideas in the media they consume, conversations with friends etc. Stuff like that can prevent you from developing and/or updating your political ideas even if your personal experience (such as a racist having nice conversations with poc etc) doesn't match your ideology.
Some also may be peer-pressured into staying conservative bc they feel like they might lose all of their friends etc if they allowed themselves to open their minds a little bit. "That trans person/poc/... was actually nice! Well, let's not think about it..." - intellectual apathy at its worst, while at the same time they tell others to "question everything". But who am I telling this? We all know the ones who call others sheep(le) are the biggest ones themselves😂
It sounds like you've accepted that they don't care about your rights or safety, but sure outwardly they don't directly attack you as why would one need to do so when they have a party working to eliminate you for them.
The average American votes based on vibes. If they have been indoctrinated by conservatives they vote conservative even if they generally don’t agree with the majority of the beliefs conservatives hold.
The bulk of Americans, in my experience, don’t critically process politics they just support the color they have been told to. It is actually one of the biggest issues that has enabled the worst aspects of system as we don’t (as a larger whole) critically think about the political decisions we are presented with
I think this is generally true, but also why its better not to present as "a leftist", "a lib", "a dem", because it reinforces this dynamic.
Its better to present as undecided
Cattle conditioned to walk themselves to slaughter. There's a reason why more education overwhelmingly corresponds to less conservative voting...
@@jascu4251Depends on the context. In many situations, to be undecided is to come off as an idiot who simply doesn't pay attention to anything important.
@@lawsonj39 For sure, it depends how you do it. but I've definitely found it a lot more productive to tell people my opinion less - and ask them their opinion more!
I think too often people act as opponents, which can have the effect of putting peoples guard up before a conversation has even really started, ie attempting to direct the conversation. But I've found it better to give them the ball, and let them direct the conversation instead, and not presenting as an automatic opponent
which is why critical thinking needs to be a curriculum in schools as early as preschool.
The average German wasn't leading a pogrom either. Most people just went on with their lives.
Trogdor is my hero
Average German would never miss on a free jewussy
Exactly.
You are completely wrong to feel safe.
Support for gay marriage was at roughly 85% in a Nationwide survey in the Weimarer Republik AND in the Third Reich alike. Support for gay adoption was both at roughly the same rate. Support for abortion rights was roughly 90% throughout.
Compare it to American numbers and you will find to have double the amount of anti abortion advocates.... yet Hitler revoked the right with just half as many supporting him.
You had more Opposition to gay adoption...yet Hitler even murdered gays.
Hitler was not voted in - he was military putsched in. Armed military walked with the voters into the Booth and told them what to do. The vote was about as free as in China. Less free than the last vote for Putin in Russia.
Remember the storm on the Capitol?! You escaped so narrowly...you will never understand. You Really SHOULD be scared.
Yes, but by doing nothing they acquiesced. Acceptance by lack of objection or action. Sorry but they are just as guilty in my book.
I think Vaush is being too charitable to GOP voters. The ones who profess right wing ideals, vote GOP and simply don't vote for Trump are one thing. The others... you underestimate the amount of self delusion, self hate and group think that goes on.
And _regular_ hate.
There's no freudian reason, they just like hurting people.
I will say this also, the story Vaush told about going to the Bar and openly talking about being gay doesn't take into account appearences. People are probably more likely to treat Vaush well despite him being gay because he looks conventionally straight. Others who choose more expressive or blatant ways of identifying themselves may get worse treatment.
That is true. If Vaush didn't look like a bearded tall 6'2 stocky white guy but was instead looking like a shorter 5'6 fresh faced twink (white or non-white), I don't think he would've been received as well in that rural bar because no one would think they could physically take on the former but they could with the latter.
I'm in a rural town. I went to school with a gay guy with the gay voice and the whole package. Everyone loved him. I'm sure he's had his fair share of homophobic comments but he seems happy and I've never seen anyone show any hate towards him, both in person and behind his back.
I'm not in his shoes so I haven't seen everything but most rural people are like vaush describes in regards to gay people.
If you act anti-social, you're looking for trouble. Blatant gays won't do well in conservative circles. Blatant Maga people won't do well in gay circles. People are territorial.
As a minority, I was not very welcomed in a small rural town
Why? What did you do?
Thank you for your completely anecdotal and probably made up take.
@@zeenuf00it’s not made up, because that’s extremely common. It’s what your kind is
@@zeenuf00it’s not made up at all. That’s what your kind is.
@@Mayan_88694 triggered much?
Honest truth: head empty no thoughts.
The thoughts that go through trumptard brains is exactly as follows:
"Democrats bad. Trump funny. Trump say democrats bad. So Trump good to. So Trump is both funny and good. Trump the best."
And that's it really.
WWW wrestling fans love trumps lies.
@@davidclark573, that checks out.
@@Point_Particleyou have a point
What a low IQ take. Ironic, really.
If you read enough history, it becomes obvious that the fact most people are decent simply doesn't matter.
If you read enough history you'd realize most people arent "decent"
True.
You are completely wrong to feel safe.
Support for gay marriage was at roughly 85% in a Nationwide survey in the Weimarer Republik AND in the Third Reich alike. Support for gay adoption was both at roughly the same rate. Support for abortion rights was roughly 90% throughout.
Compare it to American numbers and you will find to have double the amount of anti abortion advocates.... yet Hitler revoked the right with just half as many supporting him.
You had more Opposition to gay adoption...yet Hitler even murdered gays.
Hitler was not voted in - he was military putsched in. Armed military walked with the voters into the Booth and told them what to do. The vote was about as free as in China. Less free than the last vote for Putin in Russia.
Remember the storm on the Capitol?! You escaped so narrowly...you will never understand. You Really SHOULD be scared.
Totally agree. But most people just do nothing and by doing nothing they accept outcome.
My father is a textbook median republican voter. He thinks communism is when the government does stuff and has literally no idea what socialism is. I cannot seem to reach him on ANY topic because he always has a fox talking point to fall back on. It doesn't matter if you point out that it is just untrue and can dismiss it entirely, he just doesn't care and doesn't adjust his ideology. How do you possibly reach someone that just doesn't adjust their views?
You might ask him what he expects a second Trump term to look like. He’s probably not expecting the Nazis to be marching in the streets and sending all the trans folk to death camps. He’s probably expecting gridlock, government shutdowns, Trump and MTG doing endless comedy turns, and constantly dodging prison. So nothing gets done. That’s probably what he wants.
That's the neat part, you don't
you don’t. you attack the systems and structures giving him these bizarre, easily debunked beliefs. save your breath for fighting against the misinfo machines, not the people who’ve fallen too deep in them.
That's the problem. The conservative political engine, in any country and any time period, always consists of the largest and most effective tool a powerful group can conceive of to functionally lobotomize people's prefrontal cortices, rendering them incapable of intellectually growing or changing. The more effective their methods are at that, the more reliable the resulting conservative vote is.
You literally can't and don't.
Hey bud, love the spirit of the anecdote bur i think thats a distinctly California experience. In large swaths of the south and midwest people are told daily by their media and leaders that they are literally under attack and the threat is existential .If you really wanna try this you better be one charming mfer. Stay safe friends
What attacks land threats?
He lives in a progressive bubble.
Yeah that's what it's like in many areas of Florida. Born and raised, I frequently traveled throughout the state for different reasons and went all throughout the state. While larger cities and larger towns are like how he described, the further north/central you go it gets worse. People are a lot more open to being terrible people when their stated views won't be chastised/reprimanded by everyone around them. I've had people try to immediately engage in politically-charged conversations with very negative and loaded statements about minorities with me to a point where I wanted to be anywhere else but there in that exact moment. The important thing Vaush isn't talking about is how we're all human beings capable of being decent. But that potential doesn't stop us from being absolute monsters to one another.
Well, let me see if I have this straight. According to Voush one type of tRump voter knows they are voting for fascism. The other type of tRump voter is too stupid to know they are voting for fascism. I know a lady who owns a gold and jewelry and gun store with her son here in Georgia. She told me the best seller is the gun that has tRumps name engraved on it. Are the purchasers of that gun the stupid harmless ones?...
Going to need to hard disagree here. I just don't think Vaush has grown up and existed around many conservatives. Overwhelmingly, they are bigoted. I grew up in an area where elections normally go overwhelmingly conservative, and often the voters are a lot less moderate than who they elect. I've met some of the horrible conservatives my former district elected, and shockingly, they are a lot less radical than the people I know elected them. They'll still be bigoted but their policy isn't nearly as radical as the voters would want.
Thank you! Especially since Vaush has admitted to not getting out much but he acts like he’s the master of socializing
Also, Vaush is a white Gruff looking guy. He is not going to have the same experience as a visible minority
There’s a difference between conservatives and Republican voters tho.
And why do you think their policy wasn't as radical? Sure I'd guess there are particularly bad districts, towns, cities, etc. But if you look at polling data most of the country is like what Vaush said. Even within deep red states there are many pockets of political normalcy and even blue areas. I think he's wrong about the republicans that are more moderate resisting fascism though. They'll probably be perfectly comfortable with it.
It's the white male privilege to downplay everything until they are directly impacted. They ALWAYS fail to grasp the true depths of depravity of conservatives. They talk a big ass game til the last quarter then fold like a lawn chair to fascism because it's to their benefit (temporarily).
Living in Oklahoma, I don't know where the hell you are finding these 'nice' conservatives. This is a 'Ive never met a real rural conservative ' take.
EDIT: the problem here is that you actually need to live and work with these people over time. Once you get past the veneer of fake niceness that's prevalent in flyover country, the differences start to divide, grate, and frustrate locals to the point where you eventually get ostracized. And Im not jusy talking about Oklahoma here, Ive lived and grew up in rural Wisconsin and Michigan too and it's remarkably similar all over. This is a conservative problem and to deny that is just sticking your head in the sand. Stop enabling these people and start treating them like adults.
Bingo
Yup. If you have only had superficial experiences with rural conservatives, you might get tricked into thinking they are actually not that bad. It’s only after living/working with them for a considerable period of time that you start to notice their disdain of you. You’re not ‘in’ their group, they just tolerate you (as long as you are a good boy who doesn’t talk too much about his political opinions).
I agree with everything but the last sentence.
They're not adults. They're not mentally healthy.
I grew up in rural Pacific Northwest, the problem is that Vaush's experience is very much a west coast mentality of being accepting and all...I live in rural WI and frequently travel up and down the rural midwest and it is the opposite here, rurals are absolutely hatefilled and bigoted, stop in any bar and not agree with the politics and they'd be happy to unalive you for even less
There is also a possibility that you're just unlikable. Same thing happens to me and I'm not at all visably queer.
Finland is a COUNTRY of people like this.
People who keep constantly voting for politicians, that they honest to god WOULD NOT agree with if they talked with them, but do it anyway, because it's the "safe" option.
"Oh, our government support and safety nets are being undercut again? Man, these politicians! It doesn't even matter who we vote up there!" - Person who voted for people from the same actually bad political party 3 times in a row...
The descriptor of "dumb animal" doesn't even begin to cut it.
Maybe they just want security
@@yogidevendrabiriyani1777 Yeah, well a pretty odd way to do it, I gotta say.
You won't get security in this country by voting for people who only care for capitalism.
I agree broadly with vaush’s point that most American republicans will be fine interpersonally, despite their politics, but I do think this perspective also comes from something of a place of privilege, I think that a “small town pub” would certainly be more likely to turn violent against a woman, especially if they are trans.
I don’t think so
Exactly
as a trans woman in a small rural southern town they can be quite hostile if they find out ur trans
@@cheekiebreekie5014 I figured as much, the ‘discourse’ is a lot more vitriolic against trans people than a lot of other marginalized groups. I think there are probably plenty of republicans who would maybe be like “oh you’re one of the good ones” or who might deny your identity while wanting to continue engaging interpersonally with you, but it’s not like those people are going to be super pleasant to be around and I’d never expect anyone to take on the risk of rolling those dice.
Vaush‘s point is literally what they said about Germans before the Holocaust: They are a cultured people, they will never kill their neighbors.. - and then they did it.
Well, they didn't kill their neighbors then, but they just acquiesced to the state taking them away. People act like it was like the purge back then. It wasn't. Most of the people didn't even know about the death camps. The vast majority of people were just "bystanders" rather than active participants or the victims and their supporters. The people Vaush described would be happy to be bystanders with respect to their diverse neighbors because on a systemic level they agree with the things republicans want to do to minorities.
That's why the current situation is so. . . terrifying. No matter what we really do (may it be voting for Biden OR trying to get a better third party candidate in), it seems like the only way we can really resolve the issue is if these people sit down and see what kind of damage they're doing. The problem? They refuse to. That's what happened in Germany. The ideals/sentiment existed long enough to gain control and do harm against the people these kinds of candidates rallied against. It ultimately didn't matter whether or not the majority of the population was against killing people. They were either apathetic enough to allow it to happen or they were silenced/threatened if they decided to announce their grievances and work against the new system. I don't really think there's a way that we can come out of this severely unscarred.
It's all fun and games until some of them start "following orders".
Vaush I think you are mistaken. Contemporary historians actually thought Germany was the country in Europe that was going to fall for Communism first, while Russia was seen as a country that could turn fascist. Germany had a quite strong workers movement and all the ingredients for a leftwards turn. But sure: racism as well, but so had most of Europe (or the western world) during that time. I lived in Germany for half my life btw.
SPD crushed the revolution indirectly led to this. Failed revolution result in rise of fascism
Yeah the small town nice people thing at the end. Like overall the thesis holds up. But small towns are especially cruel to people once they are seen as undesirable. It's like concentrated maliciousness that gets diffused in a bigger city
Small town here - you nailed it. Being rural helps because you don't have to deal with each other frequently like in a city.
I would have to agree. While generslly the people will be polite, talkative there often is an unspoken caste system in a lot of small towns.
And by being an out of towner you get general polite treatment, an almost ritual hospitality.
But if you are in town a lot of it has to do with what family you are and their wealth.
In my hometown there were essentially three groups.
Old wealthy families, old poor families, and new commers both wealthy and not.
I kind of straddled the line between new comers and old poor families because my more distant cousins from one parent's side were from the area while the other side were relative new commers.
So I got really the benefits of neither side out of my immediate family. I didn't have money so the wealthy families were out. The poorer families didn't really recognize me as one of them because my immediate family wasn't from around there even if my distant relatives were.
And among the new commers, well many didn't stay too long since they were just moving where rent/jobs were.
@@joendeo1890is this ritual hospitality for everyone regardless of who you are? Also isn't the small towns dieing out economically?
And we do define wealthy in these places
@@lavellelee5734 its all relative. And this is just my personal anecdotal experience.
@@joendeo1890At this point I'm convinced tribalism to that extent is like... some kind of actual brain defect. Like an inbreeding thing that if you're lucky, you just manage to dodge the genetic lottery on, by being the right kind of neurodivergent to not have whatever level of groupthink just terminates higher-order brain functionality like that. Or you have the other kind of luck and get educated enough early enough that your prefrontal cortex grows large enough to override it.
This isn't a bit. I've genuinely started to consider this as an actual explanation.
I love how much Vaush hates his chat
It is truly the most healthy streamer behavior. Healthygamer has nothing on him.
Yeah because a lot of the times they're fucking idiots lol
I hate them too. They add in the most irrelevant comments and ask the dumbest questions
can you blame him? some of them appear to be idiots, and Vaush is too impatient to tell them why they're idiots
I was in the chat and my mind was shattered by the stupidity and this is the side that thinks all the idiots are on the other team?! 🤔🤔🤔
This is such a bad take, honestly. Not Vaush's strongest video. You don't have to get the entire right wing base to go out and commit violence for bad things to happen, you just need the right incentive structures to keep people complicit. Grill guy may not personally lynch his Mexican neighbor, but he sure would rat him out for a few bucks.
Yeah exactly
What matters is that they were successful at overturning roe not how politically astute republican voters are. I don't care why they enable it. I only care that they do enable it. They are a political force.that must be countered.
this is exactly the point and the takeaway is that these people are very susceptible to messaging. we can move these people over much more easily than the fascists and once the radicals on the right don’t have the support of the moderates, we can stop this
*why* they enable it informs how you can stop them from enabling it. Who can or can't have their minds changed. How you can do that. What our best options are (because moderates are just conservatives you will inevitably have to attempt to grapple with them, and being able to identify when a moderate is to far gone and stops being a moderate and becomes a firmly identifying right winger is important)
@@tinfoilslacks3750 ok
Vaush have you ever worked with conservatives everyday? Not chilling back having a beer.
It’s right in the middle of the aggressive between having a beer and arguing on Twitter.
You got 30 likes so far.
im not american, but in my experience conservatives actually are pretty malicious, i wouldnt describe them as just 'dumb animals'. maybe the average republican is different but i get called slurs and threatened by conservatives pretty consistently. its not uncommon for people to like literally scream at me as im walking to the post office or whatever.
In this country, weed got criminalized in the first place by playing on racism - just because the timber barons felt threatened by hemp as an alternative to trees for paper and construction material 💯
Yea everyone knows that
While it's true your average Republican isn't going to be going around putting people onto trains or whatever, they don't have to.
All it takes for evil to win is for good to do nothing.
What the piss are you babbling about??
@@jimbob498 They're saying that the average Republican voter doesn't have to want atrocities to happen. They're voting for people who will make those atrocities happen if they get elected.
@@jimbob498it's not their fault you ate paint chips as a kid.
@@jimbob498 Joe Maleski, it's you. I remember you and that specific line.
Which is why I don’t value their “being nice” that much. Most people are averse to personal confrontation. It’s what they vote in the privacy of the booth that really shows what the believe in.
Vaush doesn't remember how difficult it is to find a rural town when you're in LA
2 hours (plus added 2 hours of traffic) to the North or East
You’re first mistake was spawning in LA. You should restart your game.
Yeah, I play D&D with an older guy who's truck is covered in Trump stuff and has never once said anything negative about me being openly trans.
Makes you wonder why he votes against your rights?
@@Turai12 I think Vaush explained that really well. In his head transness is a systemic issue and it's some vague woke agenda. He doesn't see me as part of that, just as one of the people he plays D&D with. He sees supporting Republicans as fighting the evil Democrats, not as acting against me personally.
@@GnarlyNewEngland So he's deluded and completely ignorant of how the world works.
@@Turai12In other words, he is a conservative.
Not to your face - when the christo-fascists make trans a crime, he'll wave bye to you as they cart you off to the conversion camp.
While I think Vaush is generally correct, I think he far underestimates how radicalized even moderate Republicans are.
Nope, the ones I know voted against Trump in 2020, are voting against him again. For Biden.
Yeah when he said there are very few people who believe they are ideologically racist, while that is true and always has been, there are so many MORE people now who are than there used to be, or at least people who think they are. It’s an internet thing. Edgy teens who Wikipedia’d social Darwinism and sort of tacitly believe every aspect of the great replacement theory without actually subscribing to it by name. Twitter is especially revealing. I follow tons of deep right wing accounts and have for years, and these people are getting 10k likes for unironically claiming black people have smaller brains. You can debate how significant 10k likes on musk’s twitter is, but these ideas are officially mainstream now.
My family is all moderate Republicans and they are in no way radicalized. I'd say my leftist friends are moreso - and I don't think this is a bad thing. I think more people, broadly, are radicalizing economically than they are along racial or social lines. Because that's what impacts them directly. It's hard to fight a neighbor over something that has no effect on your life personally.
We all have our own experiences, so maybe your area is different. moderate Republicans are willing to go along with pretty much anything their party does, but they won't be the ones out there doing it proactively. They are, from what ive seen, disaffected.
I actually think a lot of moderate republicans could be turned to socialism if it was separated from the "communism" of the red scare and compared more to community building and "church-like" outreach. That's how I've been pulling my grandmother over on things. I wish more leftists would try running in rural areas on that mindset, but I get it - politics is a lot to get into and rn the vibes are awful. It will be interesting to see what happens though if we get a single-party system out of Trump. Might be time to revisit that thought more seriously.
I think most people are just so in rhetoric. And most of them would be shocked if radical politicians try to make that rhetoric reality ...
ok doomer
I was raised republican and half my family voted for trump. But when I came out as bisexual no one in my family cared. My gf is undocumented and my family welcomed her with open arms. There is still hope
Racists and bigots routinely make exceptions for people close to them. That doesn't mean they have anything but contempt for other immigrants and minorities.
Less hope when they continue to support the people harming you after years of reasons piling up despite supposedly believing the opposite and being welcoming and or caring
That’s how most people who support Trump are. None of them care about your sexuality or race. There’s extremes in the Deep South but your average Trump voters are blue collar hard working people that keep to themselves. I say this as a right winger myself. So lumping all Republicans/center right folks as deplorables, fascists, N*zi’s, etc, only serves to divide people and cause tensions that other than political beliefs are largely the same.
"My gf is undocumented"
Your gf is illegal.
Would they have reacted differently if you were dating a guy? A lot of people don't have problems with bisexuals as long as they "act straight"
this is kind of silly. your "average republican" will do what they're fucking told. whatever that means, whatever that looks like, whatever dark direction that takes. they are obedient. it is their only useful political quality.
I don't know that I'd lump Northern California republicans with rural Midwestern/Great Plains/Rust Belt republicans. Explicit racism being a huge factor. I guarantee you that while they might not care if a Mexican guy washes dishes at a restaurant, they would pitch a goddamn fit if one moved in next door to them.
I mean, im not saying Vaush is wrong. But ive seen the kinda crap you Americans will put up with in an airport. The idea of Americans putting up with a full blown Fascist regime. Not 100% unlikely.
True I do hope your wrong also putting up with an airport isn’t every second of your day like a fascist regime is
I would love to see Vaush go to a small conservative town and bring up immigration, trans people, gay people, ect. I am a fan, and ive agreed with most of what Vaush has said, but this is wrong. You can be friendly with these people, but their beliefs are so much more radical than their kindness implies.
Yeah, especially growing up in a rural town in the Bible belt. It's wild how comfortable some of those people are saying absolutely heinous shit.
One million percent. Vaush is not immune to the echo chamber. In my (thoroughly) red state, he would be surprised just how widespread these hateful and apparently “radical” positions really are.
"Go to a place, so some stuff the people there will radically disagree with, and see how they react"
What if you went to LA with a MAGA hat and started asking people about climate change and abortion? Do you... think they'd just be chill?
@@johnnysupreme5718No, but I doubt shouting "Kill them all" would be the 1st reaction. While to a lot of anti-immigration, anti-trans and anti-gay people...
@@SuperBeaverlicker I'd contend that the bible belt doesn't represent the average Republican
Vaush is really underestimating the spite and brainrot of the average conservative...
Yeah, even the ones that aren't willfully malicious are too dumb to ever try to be better. Anyone who didn't see the light after Jan 6 alone is too far gone.
He's right, I live in a red area, I see what he means daily
@@adrianalicea6704me too! Lots of my trump loving coworkers believe in a "national Healthcare program like what Canada has." They are cool to the gay people at work, they just have other gay people they've learned about from media, who are monsters. Many of them have the two parties economic plans literally backwards. Lots of more examples. They are just ignorant and really really fucked up by fox news.
@@adrianalicea6704As a person who came from a red state who now lives in a blue state I've lost friends because I'm "hysterical" when it comes to talking about the right. Conservatives in Seattle, Portland,Beverly Hills etc are not the same as the ones from a podunk town.
@@ChelaximSee, you sir will be one of the ones who escaped.
So sick of UA-cam just getting rid of my comments. The right can say whatever depraved things they want on here but I post something about them and it's just gone. Gotta protect their little feelings I guess.
Yup, it’s infuriating.
I know why is YT doing this?! I don't even comment that often compared to how much content I watch, I'll maybe *literally* do a couple comments every few months so it took me a long time to notice at first.
And my comments are long cause I have lots of things to say, they're not hateful or have I been informed they've been flagged for breaking ToS. So what gives???
It's the left that's getting sensored
You can’t even mention anything about the Middle E ast. It gets instantly deleted.
@@chadsteadman2604 Yeah, I'm honestly getting close to just completely disengaging with social media. UA-cam is the only one I still use and I don't comment or watch videos nearly as much as I used to for this very reason. It's just not fun to use anymore.
People always ask how Hitler could come to power. Trump’s rise is the answer to that question.
Yeah, there are maybe positive things now that didn't exist back then, but really all that matters is whether or not a fascist gets into power. Then people have a choice about whether to resist or go along to get along. The people Vaush describes will likely choose the latter option unless people can work on shifting those moderate conservatives towards the moderate left.
And Vaush's apathy.
Bush, Obama, and Biden’s fascist rise to power are better comparisons to Hitler’s rise than Trump.
Trust no one stay vigilant
This always baffles me. I'm from central Europe, and people here are really afraid of the abstract idea of imigrants, while at the same time, they have no problems whatsoever with imigrants they know. I had a neighbour who was high up in the leadership of the national nationalist conservative party which at the time was openly railing against all those horrible german immigrants who somehow not only took all our jobs, but also strained our social systems... still, he helped another neighbour from germany to get citicenship... it's just wild.
There was a recent study that showed THE defining characteristic of evangelicals was not any religious tenet or ideology, but rather their shared support for Trump. So when you say they are a pretty kept demographic. Yeah even Jesus couldn’t hold these people’s attention more than Trump.
Honestly pathetic and tells me everything I need to know about how serious their religious beliefs and “faith” were to begin with.
I think your definition of 'religion' is too much Luther and not enough 'Crusade.'
@@JoshSweetvale My definition of religion is a cult that lasted long after its original members have died.
And it seems obvious to me that they followed a natural selection or evolution. Ones that were more about peace and harmonious co-existence with nature or the we are all one concept of life, well they did relatively much worse than the crusading type ones you speak of.
It seems very natural that the most proselytizing and disingenuously power-grabbing structures would, well, proselytize and power grab more effectively. Therefore, those are the main ones we are left with today.
The critical factor people seem to not put enough weight on about humanity is not just that we are social creatures, but that all of our power is in our social structures. It is what allowed (forced?) us to become the dominant life on the planet. Not in terms of morally dominant but we are talking about things like the Anthropocene so I think that’s a well-founded assertion.
Consciousness in some ways is nothing more than a complex rationalization machine in order to reduce conflict between social group members that must work together to survive and spread.
See for evidence of this, MRI scans showing we make decisions before we are consciously aware of them, and don’t so much weigh possible decisions as we weigh and calculate the best justifications for the decisions we’ve already made (often by implicit or explicit social pressure and cultural/environmental norms).
This also explains why things like public speaking are often cited as being feared more than death. Because in a very literal sense, being ostracized from the social group was equal to death for many thousands or millions of years. And more so, social de-cohesion was equivalent to extinction.
They're nice to you if you're a conventionally looking white male. If you're not white, or an alt looking female like me, it's a different story. You get stared at, and even when you smile, teeth and all, they just stare, in some cases looking visibly disgusted. I live close to several small towns. But that's just my experience.
It’s more likely you have some insecurities and are imagining that. Extremely common.
@@joaoflintinoNice gaslighting
Left wing people: a well researched study can end any argument. Right wing people: A bible verse can end any argument.
A bible verse only ends the argument if they agree with it
You can use a bible verse of quote jesus and they can go "nuh uh"
"It literally says here you should give food and money to migrants..." "Nnuh uh!"
This is a 2005 take
My Hispanic wife and I went to one of those small towns for our honeymoon (much cheaper while saving for the big trip) and everyone was nothing but nice to us. I’m sure they internally were rolling their eyes at the interracial queer couple but at least to our faces they were chill. Another time, she and I caught some glares, but that was the extent of things.
A lot of conservatives put up a front, but 95% of them are not actually going to physically hurt anyone. They’ll, at worst, call you a slur before speeding off. You’re not worth the jail time to them.
It’s because it has been proven that most conservatives primarily are motivated by fear. If they are not afraid of you then they probably won’t do anything.
For now. This will not last
20:00 Totally agree that Americans aren't desensitized to real violence. I think they were confusing us being desensitized to seeing violence in our media, but seeing someone actually die in front of us would be traumatizing.
I saw someone OD next to me randomly at a concert and I almost passed out, yet wouldn't think twice seeing someone's head blown off in a movie. That image of that guy ODing is forever burned into my memory.
Vaush, a tall bearded white man, saying that there's minimal risk to going to a rural bar as a queer. Pure genius.
Right! He hax no idea
Its times like this, that I wish I could get on UA-cam as a tall bearded black queer and say, yeah you'll be fine, I do it all the time. Maybe don't be a raging extremist from being chronically online, and just vibe and talk to people? The cowboys will even buy you drinks. And for me to be agreeing with Vaush on something almost makes me sick. But you people need your internet bubbles popped.
"Republicans don't care about abortion" is one of the most misleading and dangerous assumptions you could make about Republicans. I grew up amongst Christian conservative Republicans, and I can tell you that they very much care about abortion. It is a political issue that animates them almost as much as their irrational disgust with LGBT people.
Male and female alike, regardless of what they think about gender roles and what a man should be and what a woman should be, they hate abortion and liken it to murder. I don't know of a single openly pro-choice woman in my family of origin. My paternal grandmother used to wear a pin with a pair of tiny feet, which she said stands for her pro-life stance, as the feet are supposedly about the size they would be on an aborted fetus.
Misogyny is horrible, and it is so tempting to say "Republicans want to ban abortion because misogyny", and that is such a ridiculous oversimplification.
Fk you are not getting how prejudice works. Okay they didn't kill me today and talked to me but they don't see me as the person i am.
What do I see when I look at them? At worst, evil, at best, woefully ignorant. Let me just put it into perspective for some of you who are on the younger side which I know you are. In 36 years of living barely have I ever encountered people who have been tortured, bullied, abused whether it be physically, emotionally, intimately, etc. and had people tell me that the perpetrators of that behavior were liberal or progressive leaning.
They are always conservative. Childhood bullies often turn into conservative adults. It's a lifelong mentality, attitude, and behavior. So I stand up to them whenever I can because it's the right thing to do. I can't even tell you how many people I've known throughout the years whether it be their partner, parents, or bullies who had a conservative skewed viewpoint that abused them.
And to any conservative who reads this and complains that they have been bullied by a liberal, guess what? Good. You've been giving it to many of us for as long as I can remember, so if you ever get any in return I'm happy to hear that. We need more people to step up to the plate and stop with the kumbaya campfire song liberalism.
Ya same age here. the only kid I know who grew up to be a psycho conservative was the most insecure little bully in grade school. Always acted like he should have been more popular than he was. It’s so predictable.
A conservative could say the same thing you wrote but just replace the word conservative with liberal, I don’t get the point of a post like this
@@kokoroo487yeah and conservatives don't have the problem of "going high when they go low" that leads to limp wristed politics that the other side exploits to the fullest degree.
@@kokoroo487because one is based in reality and one isnt. If a simple ‘both sides’ is enough to stump you, whats the point?
appeal to common sense fallacy. as easy as "bully = conservative" is to believe, you really need to cite a reputable source to use this as an argument.
You're missing a fundamental point: "dictator for a day" do I have to spell it out???
It's not the opposite effect for Republican voters to be more radical than Republican voters and Democrat voters to be less radical than Democrat voters. It's the same effect. Republican politicians are further right than Republican voters and Democrat politicians are further right than Democrat voters.
And old people are further right than young people.
And all politicians are old people.
That's the entire equation.
Sometimes it's harder to hate up close
While malice and incompetence are obviously different, _the results are not._
And intent cannot buy restitution.
'Why' doesn't matter. Only 'how.'
The differences are relevant for how you amend the situation though. People who do wrong because they're incompetent can be trained. People who do wrong because they're ignorant can be educated. As we just saw in the AZ abortion law fiasco, people who are receptive to but uncritical of the rhetoric they hear can very quickly turn when the rhetoric becomes policy and they're confronted with the actual problems their rhetoric causes.
The why is important even if the results are the same because they inform you if and how you can prevent things from turning out a particular way.
@@tinfoilslacks3750 I don't think you understand what the words "the same" mean.
The West Coast really is a different world from the East. $17 for a cocktail around here? It would have to be made with 50 year old Scotch and organic craft bitters from Europe to approach that price. $17 is a cheap restaurant meal here.
Umm, I'm from PA and just paid $16 for a manhattan a few days ago. I was a damn good manhattan, though.
@@steveschenker1380 Eh, a Manhattan's ingredients are a little on the higher end compared to more modern cocktails that usually only include one kind of alcohol. Plus I live in Bumfuck NC so local bars can't really get away with those prices too much.
@@WASDLeftClickCopy that. Just saying though, we got some expensive drinks on the East Coast too!
@@steveschenker1380 You got a point. A more stark difference is the price of gas. Can't recall a time when gasoline costed more than $5 a gallon around here even at the worst of economic times.
A beer here on the west coast like $9 before the extra $1.75 of taxes and fees.
Anyone remember when Vaush debated that centrist trans woman and he argued the exact opposite of the point he makes in this vod? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
what’s the vid?
Well he at least right here
Flawed leftists! Gasp!
@@JoshSweetvale Fart sniffing sycophant gasp!
I get what Vaush is saying and it is mostly true, but I actually do live in one if these these small rural cities and while the Conservative population might not be Hitler Youth running around destroying "degenerate" stuff, you're expected to play by their rules and "making a scene" makes you a social pariah real quick.
What does that even mean? “I say scary words and connect them to people I don’t agree with”
What are YOU talking about, jim?
@@kenjen9861I’m talking about your comment. Need a picture drawn cause that don’t work on UA-cam
@@kenjen9861I think he doesn't understand 'makes you a social pariah' on a fundamental level.
"Oh no, I don't talk to my neighbours" - No, it's probably a bit worse than that, city slicker. But I don't see what 'ostracized' means in a practical sense either.
I have a Trump voting friend that is completely delusional. I try to babystep him in a better direction but it gets shut down completely for talking points and whataboutism. Last week he literally told me that Trump was going to do an audit of all corporations for price gouging because he "cares" and he's being attacked because he's "not a politician".
He's genuinely a decent guy. It's really sad.
How can he be a decent guy if he votes for Trump?
@Turai12 he's a fisical republican, his beliefs are money related, he's just delusional that Trump is a "good guy".
@@Turai12Most trump supporters are just dumb. They tend to be super gullible and just follow the pack.
He's not a decent guy fyi
Decent people can get caught up in stupid conspiracies. Sometimes, people will accept an incorrect worldview just because it's simple to understand, rather than the more complex worldview that is actually correct. Keep in mind that most of Western civilization used to believe that the Earth was the center of our Solar System for a very long time.
In this video, Vaush draws a false equivalence between the "median republican voter" and some people he spoke to at a college bar in northern california.
Is fear mongering all you have to offer?
"Republican laws are hurting me aka they're hurting the wrong people!" - Republican voters
News media: "Liberals made those laws. Antifa did Jan 6."
Vaush the small town bars in Arizona have confederate flags in the windows.
Nice
I don't go into bars with Pride Flags. I know they are just going to hate on me for not being the right kinda gay. See, flags work as warnings for all kinds of reasons. Don't support it? Don't go in there. Easy as cake.
My girlfriend and I love doing this, taking a drive out some where conservative she talks cars with the guys and I talk girly things with the women and we tip well and give lots of compliments. It’s kinda fun and makes me hope they’ll see trans and queer people generally in a more positive light.
We gotta be careful with stuff like this. How much historical evidence as well as personal recollections and even art have we seen that emphasized the damage indifference can cause? The problem is all those passive racists who think their neighbors are the "good ones" have a massive case of cognitive dissonance. The state will dehumanize their targets first and then clamp down. After that, they either won't care about their neighbor (more likely) or they won't do anything cause the discourse will be feverish enough to stop them even if the majority of people are aligned
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky animals, and you know it."
I fucking hate his chat so much, he reads one message that poorly words a good argument and then disregards it completely. There was a good point made at the end about the interactions he's had being influenced by him being a cis masculine man. I am telling you as a non-passing woman that these people act much differently if you are gender non conforming, you just weren't queer enough to set them off that's what people are trying to point out.
I stg the last few months whenever someone tries explain something from another perspective vaush shuts down and goes "REEE identity politics you're saying i'm wrong bc i'm white" and not even engaging with the idea, like I get people have done that in the past but that doesn't give you an excuse to dismiss any disagreement that involves privilege
I agree completely. I think the message Vaush is sending because of HIS limited experience as a big masc white guy is very dangerous to his audience, many of whom don't have those kinds of privileges. Like I live in Rural PA and what he is saying isn't true. Hell, Sundown towns are still a thing. Just because someone is superficially nice to me in one tiny encounter at the store doesn't mean they aren't going to leave me for dead or do something worse if my car breaks down in their town at night
As someone who grew up in a small rural town, the truth about rural places is that they are fucking boring for most people. I grew up in a 40% european right wing voting environment, and even the local racists would become friends with the one black guy that came to learn his craft at the local gunsmith. Somehow the cognitive dissonance from hating on foreigners while literally sitting in a bar next to them didn't really hit them. "Yeah, but _our_ black guy is okay, we are scared of all the others we do _not_ know".
Also: people from outside are interesting because 90% of the time you see the same faces anyways, so if you want to lead a conversation that isn't same-same you are happy if there is one guy from Australia, China, a big city or whatever. And if you are not happy you do what all rural people have to be good at and you just shut up and keep to yourself.
Cognitive dissonance is watching a group of white dudes be friendly to a black dude and still claiming they're racists
It’s really just xenophobia in the end - such people assert that the minority groups outside of their circle are to be feared because they don’t really know them and see ulterior motives everywhere (even when there are none), but accepting to the minority persons they know because they are convinced that they are “just like us” and often have enough shared values to get along.
Tribalism mentality, the fear of the unknown, they fear people who they don't know and they will eat up Tucker Carlson BS
As for going out to Rural towns. Been to them as a black dude..not that great. Now you wont get lynch automatically or anything. But that a low bar.. There nice want to get to know you. But depending on who you are that might be a rough curve to get over.
If democracy ends, democracy ends? Like if dinner is over!? Oh well there's breakfast in the morning?
Kinda cavalier on democracy, ain't ya.
This whole “Christian nationalist” thing really has nothing to do with Christianity or religion in general. It’s about reinforcing an incredibly chauvinistic social order/hierarchy. It utilizes Christian identity only for aesthetic reasons, out of a desire to embrace tradition and reject modernity. They’ll say the only way to salvation is through Jesus, but that’s not because they believe in the gospel. Rather, it’s because Jesus is some sort of representative of the American way, and the American way is the only way. That doesn’t mean there aren’t Bible-thumping zealots in this movement - there certainly are. But it’s all about the worship of the nation. Not necessarily the state, but the nation, and all of its mythology and customs. It’s a strange mix of nationalism and neo-confederate “states’ rights” bullshit.
This is fascism, make no mistake about it. And it is nothing new. But the radical right is getting more desperate as culture moves further away from them.
Vaush is right. Some of you need to leave your safe spaces a bit. I'm from Texas. I'm a tall, black guy with dreadlocks and I've been all over the state (not just Austin). Usually the locals in the small, red towns around here were pretty chill regarding my presence, and a lot of the times they were outright friendly. It probably helps matters that I enjoy barbecue and football; but the fact remains that I didn't feel like I was going to be lynched at any moment. Not saying these people don't have bad beliefs and that their voting patterns don't cause harm. But the idea that everyone outside the city limits of your east and west coast large city is some raging nazi or klan member is hilarious.
Because they are closeted Neo nazis, simple
Because they are closeted Neo nazis, simple as that
I am gay and black. Republicans/right leaning are like the only people nice to me anymore. If I state my own beliefs or thoughts to a left leaner, I am basically called a coon, uncle tom, internalized homophobe and whatever else buzzwords they hear from people like Vaush. It's so exhausting that I just can't be around nor vote for that side anymore.
@@Mayan_88694 Bro these comments showing u pretty unhinged. How many more of these am I going to find?
Honestly I think the average Trump voter is just very open to getting scammed.
We think for ourselves. Any scammer will tell you that they don't target people who can think for themselves.
Without being said they are now as emotional as the fascists. The fact that they chosen trump over Desantis and vivek was a retarded mistake. Even if trump wins , he will not change anything.
I worked for a man in tiny little town in Minnesota for a summer. Fella could barely read, could not type, morbidly obese, but super friendly. this man once said to me that the reason their tiny town of a couple hundred people had no crime was because everyone there was white, but immediately felt the need to clarify to me that he wasn't racist, that was just a fact. He closed his shop early for the first time in over a decade when Trump came to Duluth, took his entire family, stood in line for 3 hours to not get in, so they all went out for dinner and watch the rally on the t.v.
That is so fucking sad
This is a luxury I feel I don’t have as a black and nuero diverse trans woman. I literally grew up with my identity being the vocal point and targeted by others. I didn’t even care nor know for sure that I was trans, but I was still targeted for it. Not everyone is able to do that. Maybe some black trans fems are able to do that stuff, but even within my family and me trying to hide my identity it caused problems. I didn’t even know what queer was and it still caused problems because I was so obviously feminine even when I tried to hide it. I’ve been stalked, have had to work through many systemic barriers as someone who also grew up poor among other things, I’ve even been assaulted, although I’d consider myself lucky. It’s not the worse for me and if I did have the ability to go touch grass I may be fine, but yea. I know Vaush knows not everyone can, but I’m just emphasizing that not everyone has those experiences. That said I’m grateful for what I have and tend to give everyone the benefit of the doubt I’m just underscoring that not everyone has that option here.
Edit: Also I have had pretty amiable experiences with conservatives as well, but like I grew up around conservatives and know how to avoid conflict, but it has not been sunshine and rainbows, these people actively try to convince me I’m living a lie because they don’t want me to go to hell which I get, and some people are just mean, but again I don’t think I have it the worse, but it’s definitely put me in very compromising positions quite frequently from birth that I wouldn’t have been in
What does this have to do with the video
@@CreamedCorn2002vaush claimed that most republicans are tolerant of minorities and the commenter was making the argument that, in her experience, a lot of republicans would actively criticize and denounce her for her identity which is contrary to the idea that most republicans are tolerant. She also partially agreed with Vaush that most are not being actively malicious and just misunderstand the experiences of others.
@@CreamedCorn2002Everything.....they were explaining how difficult the small town experiment would be for them based on their personal experience. That is topical.
I feel for you. With autism, growing up even in a medium sized city made me know what it was like to feel different. My guess is that small town type people would have been worse. Being different even in a way that is not obvious in terms of appearance can be difficult.
@@Floofullyfluffull Exactly, a large portion if not most of my traumatic experiences come from being marginalized, I usually don’t word it that way, but I can’t claim that it’s false either as it’s been proven to me time and time again throughout my life, again not saying everyone is intentional about it, I grew up religious and was hyperaware about the why, I understand why they did what they did and how they felt partially because I am naturally curious but also because that curiously leads me to seek answers along with the feelings of wanting closure, I like some sort of order and I think that’s pretty normal for humans to try and accept what they can’t control or gain some control over their narrative, it’s easier for me to justify some of the things that have happened if I can attach a reason to it, so I’ve pondered over these things a lot, I also am by no means trying to come off as a victim as I am grateful for what I did have and will continue to try despite push back ( I also don’t think anyone should be forced to fight through so much adversity, the idea of meritocracy is something I dislike but have also internalized ) that is to say this is just how I personally go about, that said I still greatly underscore the point of my original comment :3
And send out much love and support to all my babies
Your average trump voter eats hay and runs about in a field
@rem_av shhhh, don't tell him he'll become a trump voter
Northern California small towns are not a good representation of conservatives.
No one is, that's why they call it a "big tent".
No one is, that's why they call it a "big tent".
The trailer is mortgaged 5 times but trump still needs more money. Grandma is cutting down on cat food.
I am an Eagle Scout and got my rural republican exposure from Scouts. You get some serious exposure to different political views there but being scouts there is a preexisting brotherhood there and a level of respect that makes it relatively safe to be in those spaces without fear. I have also had some very interesting political debates in those spaces due to the preexisting comfort making people more willing to be honest about their politics.
This argument is all over the place but yeah at worst we’re at risk of our own Mussolini not Hitler. As for the average person being well-adjusted to different backgrounds I don’t see that dissipating anytime soon and is MOSTLY true. However if society does start heavily deteriorating the contradictions of race, sexuality and the like that are foundational to American society will heighten like they always do and that’s a frightening prospect.
It only takes a small percentage.
I completely disagree that it's only a hundred thousand as well. There are millions of people that would take part in pogroms. Especially if they knew they could get away with it
Jokes on you Vaush, I listen to you mostly while at work, literally touching grass. But I’m also not as dumb as the Chatters you yell at.
Some of the kindest, most generous people I know are conservatives. Likewise, there’s people who I share similar political views with who are some of the most insufferable, selfish, all around unpleasant people I’ve ever met. So you never know.
they want someone ELSE to do the pogroms for them.
That waitress/bar tender was shooting her shot with that screwdriver
I grew up in a conservative family, but maybe mine is more extreme than I thought. I’m in MA, so maybe I guessed that they’d be more moderate than rural Americans. My dad was a nightly watcher of Tucker, and has been a Fox News viewer since I was a kid. There’s a joke in my family about turning on any TV and it’ll be switched onto Fox
I spent my summer of 2022 canvasing, marching, and protesting/screaming that year in Kansas, mostly in wyndotte county and KCK, and Leavenworth. It's how I met my now fiance and started my very personal rivalry with state representative Pat Proctor, but you're right, after that special election on August 2nd, republicans have eternally been in either damage control or "oh shit fuck up as much as you can before you get voted out" mode.
Germany wasn't, and still really isn't "one country" per-se, at least not in that its homogeneous.
"modern" Germany only came into existence in the 1870s, before that it was a collection of different States that worked together or not depending on what was going on. The idea of a unified Germany is behind the idea of the first verse of the "Deutschland Lied", that a unified, single Germany is the highest ideal. Of course that was later twisted by the Nazis, but German history, especially "modern" history is much more complex than most people, even in Germany, seem to understand.
It was always weird to me how much time was spent in school about German history from 1930 - 1945 and the rest was mostly on what America and the British did.
Just a bunch Tribes really.
Same thing with Italy, which also unified in 1871
Ja, das ist echt ätzend. Der einzige Grund aus dem ich weiß, dass wir überhaupt eine KOLONIALZEIT hatten ist meine Langeweile im Geschichtsunterricht. Ich hab das ganze Buch gelesen. Die deutschen Versuche, eine Kolonialmacht zu werden, gehören einfach nicht zum Kurrikulum.
Das wäre mal ein interessantes Thema gewesen… 🤷♀️
The Nazis demanded that Germans accept the premises of the Nazi worldview and live their lives accordingly. They tolerated no criticism, dissent, or nonconformity. Hitler's political opponents were the first victims of systematic Nazi persecution.
As someone who has been in the boy scouts for much of my life, I've worked on summer camp staff where the youth staff is basically a mix between gay people and trump supporters, and even though if you were to press any of these conservative staff members about their political beliefs about gay people as a whole they would be very homophobic, they would absolutely defend their gay coworkers as "not one of the bad ones." One member in particular was a transmasc enby. Though they were never really referred as they/them, their chosen name was still the only name used by everyone, even though their name tag very obviously crossed out their deadname with their chosen name. Eventually the quite old camp director (who I really don't know his actual politics) offered to give them a new name badge that had their chosen name on it.
There are flaws in these stories, these queer staff were constrained within an "acceptable" box, but there is quite a bit of hope.
I’m beyond horrified that American citizens are genuinely contemplating the loss of their democracy at the moment. I’m at a loss for words, TBH.
I not only get what Vaush is saying, I live it. My family for the most part are religious but their not gonna protest abortion clinics. That wouldn't even make sense to them.
I got a trump ad before the video the irony is drowning me
Very reasonable take from Vaush but he brought the backlash from his audience on himself for fearmongering about Republicans genociding minorities for years. He’s conditioned his audience to be this way.
And they don't even see it themselves. Saddest thing ever.
My Archie Bunker style Silent Generation uncle was constantly spewing racial slurs like we say the F word nowadays. I grew up hearing that crap every few months when we saw him and I would cringe inside. One of his best friends was a 1st gen Mexican American family that lived across the street from them. We're talking BBQing with them, spending Holidays. My aunt would bake for them and they'd give their family tamales. A Mexican family expresses their love for you by sharing tamales on the holidays. My uncle saw no contradictions between his love of this family and his racism. It always boggled my mind.
Hi from Germany.
Honestly i think that the point is invalid: "Most trump supporters are not the most passionate burning fascists".
It is true, however its pointless.
Most germans were also not passionate burning fascists, they were desperate, they believed in bogus stuff, and they just did not care if their personal advantage does hurt anyone else.
Most germans back in the day feared that they will not get a well payed job, because yes they were behind on the knowledge side, in direct comparison.
i can not blame the yews though, germans could also teach there kinds 2 languages, math and social skills before the school started, they just did not.
A bunch of amerikans currently have the fear that they wont get a well payed job because of the talented mexican, or that the story of a black person sounds more interesting to any highschool then theirs.
Most germans did just take the opportunity to shut their face about the injustice they saw and took the advantage at hand.
I kind of think that is totally possible in your country as well, that a lot of ppl will just take a lucrative job from the government that just requires that you do what the party/trump wants. Trump stated pretty clearly that he will work on that situation.
Every german knew what was on.
I dont think it was possible to not have seen it.
"How is that my problem" is such a strong thing, even when you dont profit from the bad situation/problem.
I can go trough at least 50 questions where "How is that my problem" is the common answer to a problem that can not be denied.
Btw germany is on the same track as your county, just a couple of year behind.
I have very little faith that this passing cordiality you are talking about will hold up very long once the conservative propaganda apparatus really starts firing on all cylinders.
In the west we're desensitized to movie violence, and we're so detached from real violence we think it's equivalent.
I think that's a good point. Media doesn't desensitize people to actually experiencing violence, but it does desensitize them to things like police militarization and overseas wars.
Huh. Nothing to disagree with or sass here. Completely agree.
Im from Brazil and while I live in the US over 20 years, my relatives, many that voted for Bolsonaro are ok with me being gay and even invited me to bring my husband to stay in their homes. Same to my spouse’s relatives. We met them on holiday parties and stayed at their homes … they treated extremely nice, giving me gifts and at times get upset that we don’t visit them more often… even though they are Trump supporters. It feels contradictory… but they align with the conservative mentality.
I have an old boomer friend of mine. Republican his whole life. Told me he's not voting for trump this time around because of all the legal trouble and insurrection shit trump pulled.
Jonathan Haidt's study about the differences in moral roots across the political spectrum offers a good explanation for this: conservatives see deference to authority and maintaining group affiliation as a moral issue whereas liberals do not. They might not agree, but they'll largely stay red because it's still their team.