As an ex trump supporter, everything vaush described about trump supporters is correct. I wasn't motivated by actual political issues, just a deep rage that was actually undiagnosed depression, trauma and internalized ableism at the time. Im really glad i got out of this cult and got some help.
Same here. I don't remember being politically involved or supporting any real policy apart from "open border bad, muslim bad, trans bad". Didn't even know why I hated or was supposed to hate these groups, I just did because everyone said they're bad.
I'm a veteran. There are a lot of veterans who get very weird when they get out. The military is about "tearing down" the civilian and "building" the soldier in basic training. Some people really lose themselves in that. I know people who spent two years in the Army and 40 years later still do everything the "Army way." When a guy like the one in the above story gets out they need some help transitioning into civilian life and the government just shoves them out the door. some do fine and some become guys like him. As leftists we need to make doing better by our veterans a bigger priority. That includes better mental health care and better support reintegrating into society after our service.
Should be an easy job to do that honestly. The Republican party cares more for the shits they leave in a toilet than they do for veterans. Bernie Sanders & Jon Stewart have laid the groundwork on how to better reintegrate veterans, meanwhile repubs pretend to own patriotism & support for soldiers because they think the left wants no military. Same thing with gun ownership, lot of them are gonna be surprised when a trans woman pulls out a Glock to defend herself, or someone with an LGBT flag on their lawn owns a .22
I absolutely agree that leftists need to become better at taking care of/deprogramming former military people. Not least because many of the qualities they internalise, self discipline, organisational skills, the ability to co-operate, enduring hardship and so on are actually incredibly valuable when trying to organise a solid political movement. At least if you can separate out all the authoritarian tendencies, hierarchical thinking, obedience to hierarchy, American exceptionalism, black and white thinking and so on, that's usually mixed in with military training.
Whats interesting is that I know of a TON of veterans, my grandfather is one of them (he's a boomer but a cool boomer), who absolutley despise Republicans and everything they stand for. Especially after the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. You talk to them and it's like "I don't agree with Biden or Obama on everything but fuck Bush, fuck Trump, fuck the entire GOP"
Conservatives are uniquely shitty in that they are more than willing to decimate their quality of life Long as their chosen outgroup gets hurt *worse* A perfect example of this is with welfare. They were perfectly willing to lose their own welfare so long as Black people were hurt worse by the loss of welfare.
Haley being „weak on the border“ means literally nothing. Trump says he‘s strong on the border and Trump says Nikki is weak on the border. So she‘s weak on the border. It genuinely means nothing more than that.
It really is no more complicated than this, you’re right. And because it’s based in nothing, it makes it so, so difficult to refute or change someone’s mind unless they WANT their mind to be changed.
It's a dog whistle. Saying someone is weak on the border means "They'll let the Mexicans in, we don't want any more Mexicans in our country" without actually sounding like a racist.
I know Vaush has lived in either 'liberal' California or Seattle but as someone who has lived in the DEEP secessionist south my entire life, this is absolutely 80-85% of the Republican voting base. I see it every single day in real life. Like Kulinski said, we call them "too far gones" ... they enjoy the fascism and they enjoy the fact that GOP politicians HATE the same people they do: blacks, women, and gays. It's not a bug, it's a feature. We should *absolutely* try and convert EVERYBODY, but we are coping, delusional, and lying to ourselves if we think that people like this guy are going to become saviors of the liberal cause. That just objectively isn't how the real world works, as much as I wish it did. There are maybe 5-10% of Republican voters that we can *possibly* get to vote for someone like Joe Biden... but we are making the same mistake as overpaid Democratic campaign staffers have made since Reagan and the neo-liberal era if we seriously think that is a viable electoral strategy. Also the so-called 'swing voter' that mainstream media has created from whole cloth is a thing that doesn't exist outside of random anecdotes, and it is a .001% of the population kind of thing. The good news is that Conservatives are a tiny minority, maybe 25% of the overall population. If that. There are 100 million non-voters, they are the largest group of voters. More than Dems/Repubs/Independents. Just speaking from an elementary, mathematically logical POV, *those* are the people we should be targeting. Resources are finite and electoralism is a zero sum game, whether we like that fact or not. If we can convince even TEN PERCENT of those non-voters to come out and vote for Democrats, Republicans will never win another national election. If we can convince 20%, the GOP will never control Congress again. The game is rigged in favor of Conservatives at every level/branch of government and it has been since the electoral college was created for slavery, but you must always remember that they are a TINY, dwindling minority of the country that shrinks further every single day. I wish more campaign staffers and political scientists were from the South because you have to LIVE in a place like this to truly understand how to create a viable electoral strategy, and the Democrats have failed at this over the last few decades. We can do this, we just have to be smart about resources. We don't have billionaire oil daddies like the GOP does.
Most of those 100 million 'non voters' are under the age of 18. They're not voting because they're dissatisfied, they're not voting because they're in school and are playing playstation with friends.
Plus, non voters lean slightly left anyway in most polls, and if you actually force them to pay attention to stuff like Project 2025 they'll legitimately take it seriously. I have "convinced" a few dozen politically illiterate/disengaged people to actually take it more seriously just by showing them stuff like the first 10 pages of Project 2025, or those ExxonMobil "they openly admitted to climate change" graphs/papers from back in the 80's.
He's certainly above average in income and wealth but that doesn't mean that they can't still feel the squeeze of wealth concentration and the need to use all of you valuable working years toward generating wealth for someone else so you can continue your standard of living. There's a club that he's still not in that's still miles and miles above his head. It honestly SHOULD BE the average man but forces much stronger and more sinister than this suburban warrior dotlnt want that to happen. Edit: He may also not actually own his million dollar house outright. It could still be mortgaged or be collateral for another loan. It could also be when he bought it it was the 90s and only cost $200k and today's market has ballooned it insanely. Most home owners who bought before 2019 or so are likely sitting on a good bit of extra equity but it's not really worth anything to them until they sell it or leverage the equity.
I'm a PhD candidate in Pharmacology, and I study T cells. When I used to talk with Trumper family and friends about the COVID vaccines, they'd point to my education as evidence that I'm indoctrinated and can't think for myself. It's astounding that my cousin, who drives a school bus thinks she has a better grasp on vaccine science and immunology than I do, despite completely lacking an even basic understanding of human physiology. Of course, there's nothing wrong with driving a school bus, and I wouldn't pretend to have a better grasp on how to drive a school bus than a person who has been a bus driver for the last 10-15 years.
@CunningPoet That's exactly their problem. They're anti-intellectuals, terrified and intimidated by anything they don't know and can't intuitively grasp with minimal effort, so they need an excuse to dismiss it, often in favor of an alternative (very wrong) explanation that they can understand. That excuse is, anyone who knows more than they do about a subject is either lying for the vague concept of power and/or profit, or brainwashed by those who are. And to OP's point, that's why they like being poorly educated. They see it as not indoctrinated, thinking for themselves, so much smarter than us brainwashed sheeple.
A sterling example of "fascism is the socialism of fools" You dont vote for a fascist if you think shits going great in the world, but if you could actually understand where the problem lied, youd vote for a socialist. Basically, if this guy could read, he'd be on our side.
He was an officer, that means he was likely college educated. He can read, he just chooses not to. The simple truth is he is just hate driven. He wants revenge on the people he thinks wrong him and he thinks that’s the Democrats.
As far as we can tell, this guy is doing just fine economically; his issue is with the erosion of white, male authority. Socialism isn't going to fix that for him, and if he could read, he'd probably be a Jordan Peterson fanboy or something similar.
@@ChandraHatesGenocideI think this is a little closer to the mark. He’s not dumb, he lacks empathy. His problem is more likely that he sees women and minorities gaining status equal to his, and THAT’S what pisses him off. There was a Harvard study where subjects were asked if they’d rather have an income of $50k and their neighbors got $25k, or would they rather have an income of $100k while their neighbors had $200k, and 52% of the responses picked $50k. This dude wants to see himself as *above* his neighbors in order to feel like he has self-worth, and is willing to see the whole country destroyed in order to do it.
@@JasonBoyceThis whole "lack of empathy" talking point is objectively wrong. Empirically wrong. Republicans actually have lower intelligence on average and higher levels of fear and tribalism, the latter of which actually indicates heightened ingroup empathy. But mainly, they're exactly as Vaush describes: Not very smart and very angry. I don't feel any particular "empathy" for total strangers... But that goes for ingroup nonsense as well. I don't identify with an Us so I don't have a Them. The important thing, though, is that what motivates me is not some emotional investment in other people's lives. I don't hate them, unless they do stupid, pointlessly destructive things like vote Republican out of spite. I just... Don't think very much about strangers, except where it suits my academic interest. Regardless, I'm a socialist. The decision to be one was easy: I looked at the evidence, found that it was the most effective out of any potential system we've come up with so far, and decided that was good enough. Making people's lives better has a sort of mechanistic satisfaction in the same way I derive satisfaction from seeing a well-oiled machine run effectively and without problems. It'd be stupid not to do it, and sometimes it's fun to just fix things. Wander into some place, see something that could be working better, fix it so it does. Ding goes the dopamine. What was I supposed to need the empathy partfor? A lot of what I see others do with theirs is - "well, my tribe comes first, I care about them the most." Or for those who are more driven by their emotional empathy, they'll be like that with their friends or something, and justify being callous to their enemies. Me? I don't care. I may have nothing but contempt for this dumbass in the article, and the people who vote like him - but given a choice to screw over these bozos or implement progressive socialism that just so happens to benefit all those idiots I can't stand as well as the ones I do like, I'll take option B every time. Because it'd be stupid not to. Empathy is optional. All you need are enough braincells to rub together.
I mean, the *number* of cases was clearly immaterial. You could throw down every bad thing Trump's ever done in his life, and the only accusation that gave this guy a moment's pause was the one issue he knew *something* about. Appeals to hypocrisy will mostly just vanish in the soup that fills his head.
I've always taken issue with "you break the law, you go to jail". Laws enforced by the government aren't a measuring stick of right vs wrong. They're just what the people in power determine to be right vs wrong. Smoking a joint doesn't make you worthy of a prison sentence, just because the government passed a bill that says you're not allowed to do it. The fact that he would even make this argument speaks to a significant lack of critical thinking. Also, it is quite hilarious that he makes this argument, while white knighting for the most criminal president in American history.
@@julesdalli9716 Well, it's just when people want more government overreach. And a smaller government. And more police. And less regulations. And strict law enforcement. And more personal freedom. And...
It meshes with that lady who said Trump being a dictator is ok cuz he’s our dictator. And another woman who said if a dictator is what’s needed…for..something…then a dictator is what she’ll support. These people come from white privilege, are usually middle to upper-middle class, probably have spent most of their lives in a suburb, many probably have never been homeless or faced the prospect of being so, they had a large family and support structure, periods of unemployment if ever experienced were likely shorter than non-whites, a great many have never set a toe outside national borders…so many factors that define why white people “don’t know how good they got it”. Their mindset is if they can’t have it, nobody can. The mind that can simultaneously vociferously insist they are “pro-freedom” while being perfectly willing to vote for someone who said he intends to be dictator is one that wants to burn everything they’re convinced is being stolen from them by “elites”…which is exactly what this guy and so many Trumpets have been saying for years. These voters have been breathlessly communicating that they hate everything and don’t care who suffers. They know he’s burning the system down, they like that, they want it even if it will suck for them too, and there isn’t a thing in the world that will convince them otherwise.
"Haley should have taken higher ground when the men folk insulted her. So I'm voting for the guy who based his entire personality on insulting people."
@@timbuckjr9081 Because they are career politicians and administrators who know populism when they see it but have no use for it as it is, at its core, a destructive position. You can't run a system on populism - you can only tear down a system that way. To "clown on" Trump one would have to go down on his level - and then some, lower, below the belt. Only people supporting that would be people supporting Trump already. Those willing to cheer on for a stronger and bigger bully.
I'll chip in too: My mother would probably consider herself left leaning or center. That being said, she said she would vote for Trump over Biden because she's sick of seeing him and Biden "needs to go". Not for policy, but for vibes. Because Biden is an old senile man. She's fully aware of how bad Trump is and how he's worse in basically every way to Biden, but because vibes, she currently would pick Trump. These are the type of people we are dealing with. It's just straight up vibes with these people.
This scares the shit outta me because this basically means that there are a lot of people would just dismiss how monstrous Trump is as a person let alone as a New York wannabe Billionaire Con-man or when HE WAS the President Of The United States. Orange man bad indeed 🙄🙄🙄😮💨😮💨😮💨
It's like the one meme/video of the Indian dude saying "the problem with democracy/rule of the people is that the people... Are really stupid" (he actually said the "ret@rd" word, which I know leftists are weirdly strongly against)
Your need to al least call her out on how idiotic that way of reasoning is! Besides the dangers that she’s obviously ignoring coming from the GOP. Haven’t you heard of project 2025?
@@xXRickTrolledXxHonestly, that seems unnecessary. I don't see anything that particularly warrants respect. Tricking this guy into baring his idiocy to the whole world is what I'm here for.
@@FelisImpurrator Honestly, your callousness seems unnecessary. If you're wholly convinced that any interaction with a Trump supporter is an opportunity to "trick them into exposing their idiocy" then you've become just as toxic Ben Shapiro. Stay on the internet.
@@xXRickTrolledXx No argument, just "you're bad". And? Did you have a point? I don't see you complaining about the rhetoric Vaush was using. All that matters in a pragmatic, utilitarian sense is convincing these people they're wrong and not to vote Republican. Otherwise, more people suffer and die. Can you explain what's so terrible about me saying mean things about the rich, landed, politically incoherent Republican whose thoughtless little spite vote goes toward undermining democracy and quality of life for most Americans, whose life I will never meaningfully affect by insulting him in a comment section he will never see in his lifetime? Can you tell me how that makes me equal to Ben Shapiro, whose political propaganda creates countless more people like him and actively, measurably harms people? Please. Let's hear it. How am I just as bad?
@@Herotruth Yes living in ignorance can be blissful and convenient we get it, you can buy people great books even drive them to the library but you can't force them to read if they don't want to learn, or are mentally incapable. FYI not a lib.
Would you rather him say he hates the poorly educated? For better or worse, a lot of Americans are poorly educated. I would rather have a President that embraces all Americans as American than Democrats that only pretend to care about the poorly educated as long as they vote democrat.
@@sophiepooks2174 Mentally incapable? Is that a medical condition? People want to jobs or to start their own business, not be hindered by large corporations who can pay employees 15 an hour, or be taxed out of existence so they can't compete. People don't want to be enslaved to corporations, they want to be independent.
I’m from Europe, and we’re experiencing our own problems with right-wing extremism atm. In June, elections will be held in my country and it’s a near certainty that the far-right party will come out on top. I know a couple of people - even in my close family - who will vote for that party. They didn’t use to be this radical, at all, and I’m still searching for factors that might explain their rapid radicalization. It pretty much began in 2016 with Trump’s election, and has worsened drastically since covid, up to the point that they are beyond help. They simply cannot be reasoned with, and if I try, I get painted as a fool who has fallen victim to the establishment’s lies. Climate change? Lie. Covid vaccines? Poison. People of color in the streets? White replacement. Media reports X? It must be Y. Putin and Trump? Strong leaders… Trump is not the issue. We don’t have Trump here, but we have similar conmen. They are merely a symptom of an underlying disease. In a healthy society, no one would fall for their rhetoric. I don’t know what the ultimate cause is, but we need to fix it ASAP.
That disease is called corporatism. Feeding sad and disgruntled people information that will make them more sad and disgruntled makes money. It's really that simple, the people at the levers of power simply don't care how bad things have to get in order for them to keep making more and more and more money.
Fractured media enabled by technology. No media “gate keepers “ any longer Everyone now in their bubbles, no common truth any longer. If we can’t agree with each other on what is reality, we’ll never agree on anything else
"In a healthy society, no one would fall for their rhetoric". I don't think that's true. Or at least, that definition of healthy is an unrealistically high standard. The core problem is the lack of critical thinking and self-reflection skills. You aren't born with those. We do not have a curriculum for teaching those in schools. But with every passing year, those skills become more and more necessary. Without those skills, vague, incoherent vibes are the only thing people can rely on in forming their political beliefs.
As a veteran, I completely agree with you, especially when you mention the fact that veterans often feel rejected, or often ignored and angry at the world, and I felt that way and I hated feeling that way for years and I didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way so I made it a goal to be a better person to help spread understanding, kindness, and knowledge, at least within my own circles. Personally, I feel like the entire system of the VA and the military needs to be restructured. There needs to be a far better solution for whenever veterans exit and even entry, I can’t tell you how many veterans I’ve seen that are so broken that they don’t know how to even function and I’ll be honest it’s made me more jaded toward the military as a whole organization. It’s made me regret my service because I hate how broken people get how messed up the things I’ve seen are, people don’t deserve that nobody does. The problem here is that we enable this behavior like Donald Trump‘s, and we celebrated as if it’s in peoples eyes the second of Jesus. There should be harsher consequences for people like him but then again, we’re also playing with a very thin line here it’s a hard place to navigate, but thank you Vaush
I'm a 5 year USMC veteran. I don't regret my service but I didn't particularly like my time in. Now mind you, I got out in 02 so it was before the whole Iraq boondoggle. I just couldn't stand the stupidity and there was a lot of it. What I do dislike is when Kaepernick was taking a knee. You had people preface an opinion about it saying "Well I never served but my Dad did & my Uncle did & my Grandfather did, etc," and say how disgraceful it is to the flag and the ones (not them) that served. I would say probably 99% of them cheer Donald on when he is hugging the flag and rubbing his face in it with a grin ear to ear, treating the flag as if it were one of his mistresses. To me that is far more disrespectful than quietly kneeling during the Nation Anthem. I do agree with you, that something needs to be done to better help veterans and probably a better structured military. Though, I wouldn't have the slightest idea on how to do either when the a good percentage of the people coming up with the legislation are in the "Well I never served" category and the military is too set in the ways to drastically change from within.
Not a veteran, but in my mind the feeling of rejection is probably caused by the fact that the military is so extremely insular. When you get out you lose your friends, routines, social structure, and purpose. I see this a lot with normal retirees, but the military is probably a lot worse. Would you guys agree?
Trumpers are near identical to flat-earthers. They KNOW they are correct so they are literally incapable of letting it all go... The internet is truly a blessing and a curse
Cults live and die on their ability to alienate cultists from their family members, and have developed some very sophisticated psychological tricks to facilitate that. As for Johnson in particular, I cannot speak to his mental state, but I would not be the least bit surprised if there was some pre-existing unspoken resentment he felt towards his brother for whatever reason, and Trump was just the most convenient excuse to feed that grudge without having to acknowledge it.
Wanna know the sad truth? Much of MAGA views white non-republicans as “race traitors” who will vote for democrats to “let in aliens to replace them”. To them, not voting for Trump is a huge disgrace not only to their family but to “all whites”. They literally see their own family as evil. Take this as you will from someone who spent a few years in a southern red state.
Wanna know the sad truth? Much of MAGA views white non-republicans as “race traitors”. To them, they’re a huge disgrace not only to their family, but to “all whites”. They literally see their own family as evil. Take this as you will from someone who spent a few years in a southern red state.
@@Rudero3 Yup and add the Qanoners and anti-vaxxers to the loonie bin. I've interacted with ALL of them in person and they're all the same when you dig through all the crazy §hit. It would be truly fascinating if they weren't all collectively contributing to societal collapse 🤣
I overheard a conversation between two veterans one was for biden one was for trump yesterday, biden guy rattled off all the things he liked biden for, all trump guy had to say was "hunters laptop" and "dont you think you were doing better under trump" no further arguments
My mom went from hippie, to tweaker/biker, to born again, to Qrack head. It kinda broke my brain when I saw her murderous outlaw biker peers standing next to cops protecting Target and Walmart.
_"the symbol of Jesus Christ laid directly next to a _*_killing_*_ instrument"_ The symbol of Jesus Christ *_IS_* a killing instrument... damn chat beat me to it
"Why do Christians wear crosses around their necks? You think when Jesus comes back he wants to see a f***ing cross? That's like going up to Jackie Onassis wearing a rifle pendant! 'Just thinkin' of John, Jackie!'" - Bill Hicks
Not to mention that Jesus Christ is unambiguously God's killing Instrument come Armageddon when the heavens open to let a bloody horse with a rider wearing a bloody coat and blood-spattered crown, and has a bloody sword for a tongue...
I think the biggest red flag was what he said way back in September at the Haley rally, "some of his neighbors would hate him if he so much as put up a sign for her in his yard." They are way too concerned about what others will think about them instead of doing the right thing. It's why a lot of them didn't wear masks during the height of the pandemic.
Conservatives are very concerned with being perceived as "normal." As the world moves away from outdated ideas from the 19th century, they look increasingly less "normal." So they double down on tribal identities while desperately trying to turn the clock back.
The FBI doesn't do shit with what he considers problem, but they do things against Trump, which he believes is problematic. Not difficult to understand what his 'logic' was there.
@@pastlesandfish I don't even think it's "watch the world burn". It's just, having lived a comfortable life for a while, they stop considering just how bad things can be. It's the same fundamental human brain flaw that makes you ignore putting on your hard hat in the workplace, because you've spent a couple years there, and nothing has cracked your skull during those couple of years.
I am sure he doesn't think that it will negatively impact him. He assumes that wealthy veterans like himself will be protected by Trump and all the people he dislikes will be pushed back down to the bottom where he thinks they belong.
Yep, and this also jibes with the data revealing that the majority of hardcore MAGA nutters actually live pretty comfortable middle class lives, unlike the typical image of ignorant 'trailer trash' (although there's also no small number of 'un-educated' Trump fans as well). And apparently many of 'em began getting interested in politics with the Tea Party movement, drawn less by any particular policy demands, but more by the new-found sense of 'meaning', from joining a popular 'movement' (not unlike Trump's widely advertised 'rallies'). BTW, back during the Tea Party days, Lindsey Graham tells of once meeting a gathering of his Tea Party constituents. And after he patiently waited for them to say their piece and voice their complaints, Graham said he asked them one question... "OK, so when you finally 'take back your country', what are you going to *_DO_* with it?" Graham said the room suddenly became so quiet, that you could hear a pin drop.
I also feel that their fears of *losing* their wealth and comfort is played upon. Any change or threat to their lifestyle becomes some dire problem created by whatever group of people they are told to hate. It's easier to blame your problems on immigrants that you see scary videos of than to dissect the actual systems and address the root of problems. If you did that you might have to admit to yourself that the real problems were either within your ability to help solve and you turned your back on it, or the ones making the problems look a hell of a lot more like you than an immigrant.
A propaganda network owned by a foreign billionaire with the express goal of influencing politics sounds like espionage to me. Its mere existence shows how disgustingly corrupt our politicians are. It's clearly not okay, but since it benefits some politicians, they not only allow it but endorse it.
Yep. He probably got his start on base, too. Fox's foreign held anti-American disinformation network has a worldwide exclusive contract with the USA's forces to show Fox "News" on every public space TV on every US military base.
It's not even the Fox News' fault, really. The problem is the lack of critical thinking and self-reflection. The modern man needs critical thinking skills more than ever. I am not one of those dumbasses who claim that "calculus is stupid, because it has no real-life use", but the importance of pretty much every single school subject in existence pales in comparison to how important it is to teach every single person in existence critical thinking. Which is not a part of school curriculum anywhere, and honestly, I have no idea where you would even begin designing a curriculum that teaches that.
It was in the 80's and early 90's @@reanamet1901 but conservatives started calling it "liberal mind control" and the weak willed liberals apologised and stopped trying to teach people how to use their fucking brains
@@reanamet1901 media studies. not long form essays about boring books no one really cares about either, make kids dissect the meaning of a song, have a discussion about a single scene from a movie, or even explain why a game mechanic might exist.
I was just saying that on another comment. Many voters don’t know anything about policy and just get caught up in the zeitgeist of the moment; as created by the media. Hence how people who voted for Obama decided to turn around and vote for Trump while blaming Obama for anything they are told not to like.
My uncle has a black wife and mixed kids. His second oldest married a black dude. He LOVES that guy, never shuts up about him. But good lord some of the sh** that comes out his mouth or he posts on FB is insane. It’s like a whole different person. It’s like he lives in two realities and his family is the exception to the rule
Everyone you know is "one of the good ones." The only black person not corrupted by hood culture, the only liberal who can calmly reason with people they disagree with, the only woman who enjoys sex jokes and doesn't blame men for everything, etc. is the black person, liberal, and woman that a conservative knows.
Virulent racism CAN be highly selective, odd as that might seem at first blush. People are weird and baffling. And don’t bet that the same person wouldn’t turn on a dime if the right (or wrong) circumstances arose.
Reading this dude string together the most incoherent lines of thought really reminds me a lot of talking with my family about Trump. I love them to death, but Trump (and the GOP + Fox News) have completely ruined their ability to think rationally. It is always, "Trump is innocent, he can do no wrong, and even if he did wrong he was justified." Every time, just working backwards from their conclusion.
It’s cognitive dissonance, and it’s all they can do to hold together their understanding of the world. It would be sad, if they weren’t such useful idiots to the most malignant caucuses.
@@Misses-HippyYes. This is the basis for why they feel and behave this way, even - perhaps especially- when called out for it. Nobody is reasoned into religion. If they were, kids would never be seen in places of worship and have all kinds of media repeating specific messages fed to them from the age of 2 or 3. So, so many of them have for so long never had to think beyond a good vs evil, this or that choice, and further, they haven’t had the things they were told ever challenged until many years of indoctrination have already taken place. By that point, a direct challenge that appears instinctively disrespectful will be treated as encroaching evil or problematic suggestion. This happens even with highly respected scientists who achieve the heights of scientific research, but also hold that the beautiful sight of a frozen waterfall was enough to convince them a specific god is real and interacting with this reality. An extreme few of the people we’’re talking about have ever truly been exposed to the Socratic method and having even a few of their beliefs picked apart. They don’t operate from a critique frame, they operate from groupthink extending across millennia.
Meanwhile you people have proven he’s done nothing wrong other than speak disrespectfully. While your half the country has held power you have been weaponzinf the justice system against your political opponents. We noticed. You are actually the fascists.
This is like a textbook definition of a cult. Shut out your whole family for the cult and its leader. I can’t imagine being able to acknowledge that a political figure is actively tearing your family apart and still aligning yourself with them, it’s crazy.
To them, their family being unable to aknowledge their belief is the bad thing not their ideas Victim complex is just too powerful in authoritarian thinking
Voters like him know they have a foot in the grave already. They don't care about future generations and very much want to burn it all down for everyone else, it seems. Cynical contrarians who love to pull the ladder of opportunity behind them. "Got mine, eff all y'all!"
It's easy to see how bad their reasoning is, but there is no way to counter it. They are very open about their double standard, there is nothing Trump can say or do that will change their opinion about him, yet any other candidate has to follow the rules.
I don't think you can convince someone like this. But I do think that effective political advocacy, which deals with social alienation and economic inequality would take the wind out of their sails.
It's why it can be so easy to write off such people. I think, however, there are two mindsets at play within such people - American exceptionalism and, to a smaller extent, anarchism. Exceptionalism holds that American white men are and should be on top forever and ever, and anyone else is there to serve them. The anarchism element is simply the urge among some to watch the world burn - and if there's profit to be made, all the better. For the former, therapy may help most, primarily in recovering one's empathy. For those in the latter group and those for whom therapy doesn't help, all one can do is isolate them and warn others of the danger they hold.
I haven’t seen every Vaush video but this is the best one I’ve seen so far. I’m impressed by how he cut right to the core motivations of this guy. I wanna see more of this tbh
Yeah vaush seems to be very Sharp and focused, however he often ventures outside his fields of expertise because his political intelect allows him to aply what he knows into what he doesnt know and thus It can be whacky or half assed at times
"You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons." - Blazing Saddles. I say this in the most compassionate way possible.
This is literally every Republican in my family. They basically think the Republicans are tough guys who get things done (what those things are I have no idea) and Democrats are just weak, and they have zero knowledge of policy or any personal political convictions whatsoever. Essentially, it all comes down to personalities for them.
We call this "crackpot realism." Too many people assume that tougher and/or more "realistic" people are angry, aggressive, and pessimistic, and weak and/or "unrealistic" people are compassionate, optimistic, and cheerful.
Democrats are the ones who get things done. Whenever there's a Republican president, the government always switched back to Democrat the next term so they can clean-up the mess that the Republicans caused.
He sounds like the German working class guy in the old War Department Movie "Don't be a Sucker". He didn't have an ideology either, he just fell for empty promises based on vibes.
I hate gut politics our gut feeling is not made to deal with modern social/economic problems it's made to give you a good guess on if that bush over there has a tiger in it or not.
They are aggrieved, but they lack the tools and the desire to learn _why_ and so will latch onto whatever source gets fed to them. These people, at the heart, need therapy. But they're also the sort of people who would never get therapy no matter how broken they are.
Just to add to your point, I have an IRL friend who is politically illiterate and does the same "vibes-based politics/flip-flops on a dime" stuff the dude in the interview did. He openly said to me multiple times that he supports Trump specifically because Trump will make foreign countries "respect us again by force", but literally 2 minutes later he complains about how racist the GOP is and that Trump is a "dumb piece of shite" who "supported a coup attempt". I showed him Project 2025, and it seemed to legitimately alarm him, like his reaction was basically "holy crap the GOP wants to turn America into a dictatorship, that's messed up", but NOT EVEN 30 SECONDS LATER he says "we need Trump to be our dictator to put the fear of God into Russia and China", "Russia wasn't attacking Ukraine when Trump was in charge/Biden is weak", etc. A shockingly large number of people think exactly like this. It's honestly scary
I think it's cos a lot grow up learning a blank "faith" in what you want to believe is ok & makes sense.. When there is no virtue in "faith" , in yourself or a god.. You're supposed to find out what you need, want & why, first.. Not just leave it to "trust me bro".. A religious lifestyle breeds a religious type of following/ believing things based on the "vibes", instead of putting actual critical thought into it..
I have never heard that personally. Of course im floridian, so i usually hear northerners call florida a shithole and floridians talk about the deep south states as worse. Personally i think people should be bagging on MI,AL, and NM more than florida
Just keep in mind, while our hogs are uniquely broken (as are the libertarians we have here), NH does not like Trump or Trump republicans. Pro gun, but not pro hog. Now, Maine's second district is a different story...
True. I live in Concord and was talking to a conservative the other day. He was so proud that his wife went to the Trump rally and was interviewed by the Wall Street Journal. I made a joke about it being another insurrection and he went off on me. "Name me one thing Trump did wrong!" he said. "Hundreds of stolen Top Secret documents..." "No! He can declassify anything at any time!" he said. "Wrong, there is a process..." "Keep drinking the cool-aid!" Sad, sad man.
It really is just vibes when their reasoning for voting is either vague statements like ‘we need to dismantle the establishment’ or completely regurgitated conservative talking points. There’s nothing there but a feeling, so that’s why the most illuminating thing Trump supporters say is ‘he says how I feel’.
@@bibsp3556 The US constitution called for a civilian commander in chief for that reason. What would make duh Army guy happy? Martial law followed by junta control?
I grew up in a catholic community and I can say there are an enormous amount of Catholics who are progressive on all issues except abortion, so they vote Republican just because they want abortion to be illegal. None of my catholic relatives or friends are racist or homophobic or transphobic, they’re just single issue voters when it comes to making abortion illegal.
@@wplants9793same like I dated a trans man for awhile and my mom knew he was trans, respected his pronouns and long after we broke up still tells me she misses him and wants us to get back together, but she’s voting for the orange man because he’s anti abortion.
"Down there… are people who will follow any dragon, worship any god, ignore any inequity. All out of a kind of humdrum, everyday badness. Not the really high, creative loathsomeness of the great sinners, but a sort of mass-produced darkness of the soul. Sin, you might say, without a trace of originality. They accept evil not because they say yes, but because they don’t say no" Lord Vetinari; "guards, guards" Sir Terry Pratchett.
This is a "how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man" moment. How would a critically thinking population benefit those in power? Yeah sure let's ask them to give us our political science course. And financial literacy courses while we're at it. Credit card companies would loooove that. They don't have lobbying power or anything. We need only be taught to read and write. We're on our own for everything else. At least we have the Internet in our pockets.
I’ve had a college level gov/politics class parrot lot of the same stuff I heard in high school about “socialism is when dictators and famine” so don’t have a lot of faith in that being the golden arrow to a better informed public yet
I used to be part of the MAGA Cult. I got my start in politics in High School around 2016 with the Humanist report, then I somehow got algorithmically swept into the Gamergate youtubers and Tim pool crowd and became more intolerable from there until 2023 where I disengaged from all politics for about half a year and ended up on the Vaush sphere, Where I have genuinely become a better person. I did not even have any particular reason to be racist or transphobic, and I even appear (Black/Latin / I am Cookies and Cream). I just followed the talking heads. I even had/have lots of trans friends IRL.
I am glad you got better. There is no shame in accepting what you used to be. Critical thinking and self-reflection are not skills you can be born with. We should celebrate the fact you were fortunate enough to gain them.
Funny, I ended up being the exact opposite as you. Moving from being extremely left wing to really just center left (I actually don't identify with any political group now, but that's probably the one I'm closest to)
@@theshermantanker7043 Most of Vaush is still pretty to the left of me. I just think Healthcare should be completely public, housing should similarly be decommodified, and that Cars are EVIL. Also that bigotry is bad.
I do think some people get worn down with trying to work out what's best, when being fed a constant stream of confusing information - no, not information, propaganda? talking points? vitriol? - and just ... giving up. Nail your colours to the biggest, loudest, most colourful mast you see and just ... let go. Follow that mast wherever it takes you. I'm told it is freeing, not having to think critically for yourself any more, and that does sound as though it has its benefits. But this is how the fascists get you.
"Do your own research" always means "uncritically watch Facebook and UA-cam videos and trust them purely because they're not mainstream media." I fucking swear, the lack of information literacy in this country is tearing it apart.
I was just thinking, every time I see/hear someone do the "Do your own research" thing, it's clear they've never done any research themselves. Every single time.
It's like they assume that whatever "research" they did is legitimate and anyone will be exposed to the same "facts" if they just look. They don't realize their "research" took place in an echo chamber and that your Boomer friend Carol posting memes about how Jan 6th was actually totally chill is not true research.
I think the "trust the science" people are blind faith worshipers and doing research to educate yourself should be normal. Are you advocating for people to deliberately stay ignorant or allow themselves to be propagandized?
imagine living in texas. source: lived in texas for almost a decade and I'm amazed daily how belligerently stupid these hogs are. this morning i heard a coworker complain their taxes went up - they make over 100k...
Nonsense, all people make a choice on what information they consume. There are brilliant people worldwide and dumb as:;::s worldwide. Get off the internet and actually go out in the world and meet people.
This guy definitely didn't watch the Jan 6 hearings. What he actually did was watch one of the right wing grifters tell him how to feel about the hearings.
The same people who called the "Summer of Love" a "mostly peaceful protest" have a problem when people who aren't on their side have the mostly peaceful protest. But where most of the violence during that summer was started by the "peaceful protestors," the violence at Jan 6th was instigated by the police. And where so many people from the summer were let out very quickly on bail, plenty of people from January 6th are being held with no charges at all. But sure, facts are just feelings now, I guess.
I grew up just over an hour from Centralia. Southern Illinois is very rural and red. Chicago is basically the sole reason why IL is a blue state and folks in the rural areas have been seething at that for decades.
That’s largely true for every state. But in red states where the larger segment rules the politics, it’s the Dems in the cities that feel isolated. Houston is a good example, and it’s why the Texas state government is trying to tamp down their political impact.
I want more analysis videos like this really digging into the psychology of individuals. I've been able to piece together stuff like this through conversations and debates with people and my rehtoric has been improved and sharpened by being able to identify talking points when they pop up and where they likely came from. But just raw analytical observation of case studies like these provide invaluble types of insight and opportunity for learning.
This whole thing reminds me of the Freikorps from post-WW1 Germany. PTSD, alienation, a rapidly changing world where they feel they don't belong in it, and having less than positive perception from the civilian population created a sort of monster that reallynis angry at the world they are in and has no qualms showing that anger. Watch out, I wouod not be surprised if they form very active, open, and aggressive militias...
I recently saw an interview. They asked a Trump voter why he was going to vote for Trump. His answer? "Well, I don't really know much about politics, but I lot of people like him so he has to be a great guy."
This dude is literally a living version of the Skinner Meme. He's a trump supporting Jan 6 Stan who calls himself an UNDECIDED VOTER, and is confused why his family hates him.
Brooooo that analysis at the end of this video really resonated with me. I have been wracking my brain to try and rationalize, and to an extent, empathize with these trump supporters. The only issue is, there will never be any self reflection or emotional insight for these people. The lack the required equipment. The next phase of america is going to come down to dumb luck. Either the dummies get lucky or they dont. When america is burning to ground bc of a second trump presidency, they still wont be fulfilled, and theyll find anything other than trump to blame, bc blaming trump, would be blaming themselves.
After how well Trump's first term went with the economy and no new wars, and how poorly Biden's is going with inflation and potentially three new wars if I remember right (it's hard to keep track at this point), I fail to see how Trump is a bigger threat.
I hate this. This is scary to see. This man is going to die like this - he won't develop past this level of cognition. You cannot convince this guy - you can only manipulate him. This is horrific to think about.
This is really important. People online really do forget the most politically relevant shit and focus too much on debunking like online far right figures who have no real power or influence. This guy is more reflective of what actually needs to be addressed.
This is really good and insightful. Every argument/debate I’ve ever had with a conservative online always goes same way. It’s really difficult to get them to make any sort of clear definitive statement about their actual political positions and they just end up going in circles while getting really mad and making personal attacks. Lol. I remember I had one recently with a dude who flat out refused to provide any sort of clarification of what he saw socialism as or what his issue was with it. I finally got him to provide some sort of response, but then he just described capitalism (bunch of rich people having all the power) and blocked me before I could respond, lol.
God is in there somewhere. Whether they believe or not, their belief systems are shaped along religious lines. Thinking critically is like a devil's plot. Everything empirical or reasoned is a lie.
This is a very good segment. We talk a lot about how evil republican operatives are that it’s easy to forget that normal people don’t actually think about their beliefs. They just hold them, instinctually.
I live in Southern Oklahoma, arguably the reddest state we have in the union. I was in high school when Trump was elected and I've watched this type of brain rot grip every man in my life: every, single, man. Admittedly, the latter half of this video is a bit painful for me to listen to. Though Vaush and the chat are right about people like this running the country to the ground, I can't help but sympathize a bit because these types of people are all I have as male figures around me. I've lost my father entirely after I came out as trans and he continues to spiral further into bitterness and paranoia, he's become afraid and behaves like a cornered animal whose only option is to "lash out" and vote for Trump. My grandfather is spending the last years of his life alone. I can't trust any man around me, but I empathize with their crippling loneliness. People like this have been made to believe that the entire world is evil and has turned against them, no matter their religious affiliation (my father is staunchly atheist), and many of them consume politics and Trump like parasocial K-Pop stans. It's painful for me to think every man in my life has been lost to this, but by this point, it's been about 9 years since the moment I lost my father followed by losing all other potential father figures. I still can't find the energy to be anything but empathetic, though.
If you recognizing all the crap that is happening around you, you do not need a father figure. The point of a father figure is to help guide you to be well adjusted human being. Seems like you are there already. Sucks that you can't enjoy adulthood to be able to share with your father the fruits of the growths but could be worse.
Man that's sad... And he's actually atheist? That's wild to me coming from a staunchly catholic family who mostly voted for trump! My parents luckily hate him as much as me... but your dad is truly baffling. The only thing I could imagine that MIGHT help him would be to see a therapist but it would have to one specialized in de-radicalization. I'm so sorry for you 😞
Dang , that's a sad story, hope you find some happiness somewhere. I can't imagine the pain that millions of others such as yourself go through when breaking away from bigoted parents and grandparents.
@@TheAmericanAmericanIt’s weird, eh? I work with this guy…super rightwing, major trump supporter, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, anti-environment, the whole nine yards, yet he is staunchly atheist as well. It’s the one thing we have in common.
Yeah, not surprised he moved away from centralia. The hospitals here simply can’t afford much good care anymore, not unless you’re directly in the St. Louis area. it’s not so surprising that someone coming from southern Illinois would be conservative
Vaush, you really need to do more analysis of this sort. I think you are a much more effective advocate for change when you soend your time picking apart the way our political opponents actually think and process their thoughts and emotions. Im gonna be real, this is far more useful and effective information and analysis than whether or not meat should be banned or certain media should be made or not.
Whether or not meat should be banned is an actual policy recommendation. This is Vaush saying "our opponents are dumb and need therapy. Look at this guy. No idea what he's talking about." Pretty sure actual policy\econ discussion is more important than armchair psychology ( I did enjoy this video tho)
@thekingoffailure9967 Understanding the politics of the people voting against you is ESSENTIAL for effective activism. You can call this "armchair psych", but this kinda analysis is invaluable. Our base grows by pulling people over. Most people are basically not sentient in regards to politics, it is all vibes based, and he's using this article to illustrate that. Good luck pulling someone out of their emotions and into logical policy positions f you don't even understand what the emotion is.
@@tally9542 Maybe it's something like "after the tantrum is over, if parents don't spank you then reality will"? What really gets me is how Sgt. Bonespurs has taken on such an oversimplified military tone. Was he sent to military school?
“It’s a zero sum game right now.” I doubt that guy knows what that actually means. He just heard someone say it and repeats it because he thinks it sounds smart.
I live in Manchester, NH. Bedford is a suburb of our city. NH is CRAWLING with people like this. They have no actual impetus for making political decisions. They just have no interest in understanding the world around them.
Getting to the core! Exactly, i was part of the QAnon cult and got out in 2019. Been working on a bunch of material to explain my thought processes how i got there and how i got out. Would love to find a way to share with the community...maybe a bunch of minds can help me piece all this together in a more organized manner
@Blackgriffonphoenixg honestly might take that advice, a free book might be able to help either someone who was in it, a family member with someone in it, or just people who want to understand that mindset!
Tbh I would rather be educated about everything and know everything than be poorly educated. In my opinion democracy would work better if people were more educated and know more information.
It would work better if people were educated. That’s why rightoids don’t want people to be educated. That’s why these anti-Americans don’t want people going to college.
Former Trump guy here, this analysis is exactly right. Especially when it’s what your taught growing up, the expectations for who represents right vs wrong.
@@e.h.5680liberals don't tend to insult Trump supporters because they're on the same side at the end of the day. Liberals do get real smug when it comes to leftist though.
@@e.h.5680bro, YES. Libs, especially on Twitter, vehemently hate trump and MAGA. They will insult them just as much as Vaush did here. I've seen it countless times.
@@marcushill7070 If you think that you really need to watch Vaush content with more focus. Liberals are smug towards Leftists? Liberals barely recognize the existence of Leftists. What they react to - and insult - are Right wingers and fascists. A certain liberal called them "basket of deplorables" and called Leftists...nothing.
The thing around the 14-15 minute mark, the fascist drive, was previously described as "an incoherent grab bag of grievances". I forget by who, but I'm also too lazy to google it.
I am an Australian, and can see the chaos existing in Trump's followers, and the cognitive dissonance that Trump relies upon to keep them as suckers. This really makes it important for Democrats to advertise his failings along with his broken promises. Even getting through to 10% of his base will damage him enough to keep him out of the presidency. His politics of retribution cannot run a country, and his lies must be demonstrated to be lies!
What I've observed, is that Trump gave conservatives like this guy a little taste of right wing authoritarianism, and they realized "Damn, I like this. I want more of this!" They got hooked, and they can't quit Trump. To them, Trump cannot be held accountable and should be allowed to break whatever he wants.
As a local I want to point out that The Copper Door is not a dive but instead a relatively pricey place. I think we’ve throughly debunked the 2016 narrative that Maga folks are all underserved folks (and I think other aspects Vaush pointed out corroborate this guy’s decent circumstances.) Still, for color… also I wonder if that’s why the writer included the detail.
I attended a conservative political club in college. Asked the club pres what the policies were of the candidate she endorsed. She didn’t have the slightest clue, and when I suggested we look it up, she wasn’t very curious
What cranks think moderates are: centrists carefully considering points What they actually are: "he made my tummy hurt. Politics are when my tummy feel good." (Pressed for explanation, they don't know what those words are, and now hate you for making them look stupid.)
Im 56 and I live in an area of Michigan with a lot of guys like this . I am the polar opposite of tbese people . I got out of the area , was in the Army for a decade , settled in the DC area for quite a while . Because of my fathers illness I had to move back to the area I grew up in because my mother needed help with my father . My father passed in 2020 from COVID . When my mother decided to move out of the huge farmhouse i grew up in to a assisted living facility I purchased the house . Im fixing it up . I stick out like a sore thumb in this area . My poliitical beliefs are far left , and there are very few in the area who think like me . When i talk to them and tell them what they're getting told by Fox News , Ben Shapiro , Marjorie Taylor Greene, and others who spread propaganda is misinformation they refuse to listen . They won't go to the websites outside of their echo chamber . They also refuse to read books that show other beliefs . It's sad . They can't imagine that the way they believe is wrong and backwards . It's sad .
My sympathies. I hope you can stay strong and not let the misery consume you, despite your surroundings. You can be the sole voice of reason in that community, and someday, you might help somebody else climb out of that metaphorical swamp. You being there is infinitely better than not a single person like you being there.
"My poliitical beliefs are far left" - are they though? Or are they center and only seem far left because over the last 30 years Republicans have driven so hard into fascism that the center now seems left?
The worse thing is the person who didn't vote for trump the first time and then voted for him the second time around. It's like they saw what happened and said "I wasn't sold on him before but damn now i gotta".
This is good analysis of the conservative mindset. My mom is a staunchly pro-trump Republican. Her life has been rough. She has had a rough childhood, she certainly has _some_ undiagnosed mental condition, and she has been depressed, homeless, and more. From what I can tell, she used to be perfectly capable of complex, intelligent thought at some point in her life, but her capacity for it was utterly eviscerated by conservative brain rot. It's pretty sad, but I still try to show her all of the love that I can. Simply being a loving son and a living counterexample to everything that conservative pundits tell her about the left does a lot to ground her in reality. She may be insane, but she genuinely is a wonderful human aside from that. I loathe the Republican party and what it has done to her and others like her. Conservatism is a mental illness.
I disagree with the idea that they have no consistent world view. If you polled them on the migrant issue during any year or decade, you will find that they are against them consistently. Their views are not random. "You break the law, you break the law." This guy doesn't know the law. To him, the law isn't just some policies passed by Congress and codified in books, but also what he thinks the social hierarchy ought to be. It doesn't matter if migrants didn't break the law on the books. To a person like this, the existence of the migrants is illegal whether or not it's an actual law.
Yeah, these people never understand nuances of people applying for work visa, others applying for asylum, working as undocumented etc are all different things and tackled in different ways.
It's IOKIYAR and always been IOKIYAR. He says Hunter Biden needs to be held "accountable" and people crossing the border should be held "accountable" things that I think even most Biden supporters would agree with. But should Trump be held "accountable"? No, that's "going after the guy".
EXACTLY. That's the crux of it. They don't care about the law, not really, they just think certain people deserve to be punished and the law is a way to enforce that.
@@TheMahayanist What's that saying? "The right believes that there are people for whom the law protects but does not bind and others for whom the law binds but doesn't protect"?
This reminds me of something I saw with James O Brien, a caller said that he knows that Trump is a liar and corrupt, but loves how he makes the libs mad. And that's all he needs to do.
This is my dad. (Sure roughly 80000 people have commented the same.) Completely muddled. Can't keep on task, actively avoids unwelcome information, blind to his own incoherence, deflects and forgets. A **lot** of people are like this.
As an ex trump supporter, everything vaush described about trump supporters is correct. I wasn't motivated by actual political issues, just a deep rage that was actually undiagnosed depression, trauma and internalized ableism at the time. Im really glad i got out of this cult and got some help.
Only to end up joining the vowsh club of course.
From cultist to horse enthusiast, what a guy!
@@jansettler4828 what's wrong with wanting to be the horse?
Same here. I don't remember being politically involved or supporting any real policy apart from "open border bad, muslim bad, trans bad". Didn't even know why I hated or was supposed to hate these groups, I just did because everyone said they're bad.
@@RiotKurhein Ambitions too small 🤏😏
I'm a veteran. There are a lot of veterans who get very weird when they get out.
The military is about "tearing down" the civilian and "building" the soldier in basic training. Some people really lose themselves in that. I know people who spent two years in the Army and 40 years later still do everything the "Army way."
When a guy like the one in the above story gets out they need some help transitioning into civilian life and the government just shoves them out the door. some do fine and some become guys like him.
As leftists we need to make doing better by our veterans a bigger priority. That includes better mental health care and better support reintegrating into society after our service.
Beautifully said.
Should be an easy job to do that honestly. The Republican party cares more for the shits they leave in a toilet than they do for veterans. Bernie Sanders & Jon Stewart have laid the groundwork on how to better reintegrate veterans, meanwhile repubs pretend to own patriotism & support for soldiers because they think the left wants no military. Same thing with gun ownership, lot of them are gonna be surprised when a trans woman pulls out a Glock to defend herself, or someone with an LGBT flag on their lawn owns a .22
I absolutely agree that leftists need to become better at taking care of/deprogramming former military people.
Not least because many of the qualities they internalise, self discipline, organisational skills, the ability to co-operate, enduring hardship and so on are actually incredibly valuable when trying to organise a solid political movement.
At least if you can separate out all the authoritarian tendencies, hierarchical thinking, obedience to hierarchy, American exceptionalism, black and white thinking and so on, that's usually mixed in with military training.
Whats interesting is that I know of a TON of veterans, my grandfather is one of them (he's a boomer but a cool boomer), who absolutley despise Republicans and everything they stand for. Especially after the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. You talk to them and it's like "I don't agree with Biden or Obama on everything but fuck Bush, fuck Trump, fuck the entire GOP"
Agreed.
"I want the country destroyed and I think Trump will be the one to do it".
I mean, at least he's under no illusions of what Trump would do.
Makes me wonder how he feels about the blm and women's protests. Something tells me he doesn't see them as 'exposing corruption'.
@@honeyblue2902I'm sure he has fine opinions on the Euromaidan that aren't Russian talking points
Communist revolution is coming 🤔😂
Yeah he thinks that by taking the side of plutocrats, that they somehow *won’t* rob him blind and dump him in a ditch.
But he also says the democrats are destroying the country
"I want the country destroyed and I think Trump will be the one to do it," says a successful, wealthy home owning father.
"But it'll only be destroyed for THEM, right?"
Also, he's a 22 year Army veteran.
Conservatives are uniquely shitty in that they are more than willing to decimate their quality of life Long as their chosen outgroup gets hurt *worse*
A perfect example of this is with welfare. They were perfectly willing to lose their own welfare so long as Black people were hurt worse by the loss of welfare.
@@Suzy9MMRIGHT??
boomers are the scourge of the earth
Haley being „weak on the border“ means literally nothing.
Trump says he‘s strong on the border and Trump says Nikki is weak on the border. So she‘s weak on the border.
It genuinely means nothing more than that.
We've always been at war with Eastasia.
It really is no more complicated than this, you’re right. And because it’s based in nothing, it makes it so, so difficult to refute or change someone’s mind unless they WANT their mind to be changed.
eeexactly @@JMBAD_art
It's a dog whistle. Saying someone is weak on the border means "They'll let the Mexicans in, we don't want any more Mexicans in our country" without actually sounding like a racist.
@@WASDLeftClick*Eurasia now
I know Vaush has lived in either 'liberal' California or Seattle but as someone who has lived in the DEEP secessionist south my entire life, this is absolutely 80-85% of the Republican voting base. I see it every single day in real life. Like Kulinski said, we call them "too far gones" ... they enjoy the fascism and they enjoy the fact that GOP politicians HATE the same people they do: blacks, women, and gays. It's not a bug, it's a feature. We should *absolutely* try and convert EVERYBODY, but we are coping, delusional, and lying to ourselves if we think that people like this guy are going to become saviors of the liberal cause. That just objectively isn't how the real world works, as much as I wish it did. There are maybe 5-10% of Republican voters that we can *possibly* get to vote for someone like Joe Biden... but we are making the same mistake as overpaid Democratic campaign staffers have made since Reagan and the neo-liberal era if we seriously think that is a viable electoral strategy. Also the so-called 'swing voter' that mainstream media has created from whole cloth is a thing that doesn't exist outside of random anecdotes, and it is a .001% of the population kind of thing. The good news is that Conservatives are a tiny minority, maybe 25% of the overall population. If that.
There are 100 million non-voters, they are the largest group of voters. More than Dems/Repubs/Independents. Just speaking from an elementary, mathematically logical POV, *those* are the people we should be targeting. Resources are finite and electoralism is a zero sum game, whether we like that fact or not. If we can convince even TEN PERCENT of those non-voters to come out and vote for Democrats, Republicans will never win another national election. If we can convince 20%, the GOP will never control Congress again. The game is rigged in favor of Conservatives at every level/branch of government and it has been since the electoral college was created for slavery, but you must always remember that they are a TINY, dwindling minority of the country that shrinks further every single day. I wish more campaign staffers and political scientists were from the South because you have to LIVE in a place like this to truly understand how to create a viable electoral strategy, and the Democrats have failed at this over the last few decades. We can do this, we just have to be smart about resources. We don't have billionaire oil daddies like the GOP does.
What % of the people you met were in the "too far gone" category, including non voters, dems, everyone?
I refer to Trump as the Second President of the Confederacy.
The part about non-voters is so true, and the GOP knows it. Hence why they are opposed to ANYTHING that would make going out and vote easier.
Most of those 100 million 'non voters' are under the age of 18. They're not voting because they're dissatisfied, they're not voting because they're in school and are playing playstation with friends.
Plus, non voters lean slightly left anyway in most polls, and if you actually force them to pay attention to stuff like Project 2025 they'll legitimately take it seriously. I have "convinced" a few dozen politically illiterate/disengaged people to actually take it more seriously just by showing them stuff like the first 10 pages of Project 2025, or those ExxonMobil "they openly admitted to climate change" graphs/papers from back in the 80's.
Love how a guy that owns a million dollar house and a 6 figure salary thinks hes "the average man"
He's certainly above average in income and wealth but that doesn't mean that they can't still feel the squeeze of wealth concentration and the need to use all of you valuable working years toward generating wealth for someone else so you can continue your standard of living. There's a club that he's still not in that's still miles and miles above his head. It honestly SHOULD BE the average man but forces much stronger and more sinister than this suburban warrior dotlnt want that to happen.
Edit: He may also not actually own his million dollar house outright. It could still be mortgaged or be collateral for another loan. It could also be when he bought it it was the 90s and only cost $200k and today's market has ballooned it insanely. Most home owners who bought before 2019 or so are likely sitting on a good bit of extra equity but it's not really worth anything to them until they sell it or leverage the equity.
He is the average man he cares about.
@@BenRHarshyou didn't watch the video. The house was worth $400,000, then increased value by $250,000 since he bought it
America has precious little class consciousness. This guy is in a class coma.
Many wealthy people view themselves this way. Ironically enough, they also have a God complex.
When Trump calls his Supporters "Poorly Educated" they take that as a compliment.
@@icin4d potato potato
I'm a PhD candidate in Pharmacology, and I study T cells. When I used to talk with Trumper family and friends about the COVID vaccines, they'd point to my education as evidence that I'm indoctrinated and can't think for myself.
It's astounding that my cousin, who drives a school bus thinks she has a better grasp on vaccine science and immunology than I do, despite completely lacking an even basic understanding of human physiology.
Of course, there's nothing wrong with driving a school bus, and I wouldn't pretend to have a better grasp on how to drive a school bus than a person who has been a bus driver for the last 10-15 years.
Pure idiots
America is the only place where being an idiot is a good thing.
@CunningPoet That's exactly their problem. They're anti-intellectuals, terrified and intimidated by anything they don't know and can't intuitively grasp with minimal effort, so they need an excuse to dismiss it, often in favor of an alternative (very wrong) explanation that they can understand. That excuse is, anyone who knows more than they do about a subject is either lying for the vague concept of power and/or profit, or brainwashed by those who are.
And to OP's point, that's why they like being poorly educated. They see it as not indoctrinated, thinking for themselves, so much smarter than us brainwashed sheeple.
A sterling example of "fascism is the socialism of fools"
You dont vote for a fascist if you think shits going great in the world, but if you could actually understand where the problem lied, youd vote for a socialist.
Basically, if this guy could read, he'd be on our side.
He was an officer, that means he was likely college educated. He can read, he just chooses not to. The simple truth is he is just hate driven. He wants revenge on the people he thinks wrong him and he thinks that’s the Democrats.
As far as we can tell, this guy is doing just fine economically; his issue is with the erosion of white, male authority. Socialism isn't going to fix that for him, and if he could read, he'd probably be a Jordan Peterson fanboy or something similar.
@@ChandraHatesGenocideI think this is a little closer to the mark. He’s not dumb, he lacks empathy. His problem is more likely that he sees women and minorities gaining status equal to his, and THAT’S what pisses him off. There was a Harvard study where subjects were asked if they’d rather have an income of $50k and their neighbors got $25k, or would they rather have an income of $100k while their neighbors had $200k, and 52% of the responses picked $50k.
This dude wants to see himself as *above* his neighbors in order to feel like he has self-worth, and is willing to see the whole country destroyed in order to do it.
@@JasonBoyceThis whole "lack of empathy" talking point is objectively wrong. Empirically wrong. Republicans actually have lower intelligence on average and higher levels of fear and tribalism, the latter of which actually indicates heightened ingroup empathy. But mainly, they're exactly as Vaush describes: Not very smart and very angry.
I don't feel any particular "empathy" for total strangers... But that goes for ingroup nonsense as well. I don't identify with an Us so I don't have a Them. The important thing, though, is that what motivates me is not some emotional investment in other people's lives. I don't hate them, unless they do stupid, pointlessly destructive things like vote Republican out of spite. I just... Don't think very much about strangers, except where it suits my academic interest.
Regardless, I'm a socialist. The decision to be one was easy: I looked at the evidence, found that it was the most effective out of any potential system we've come up with so far, and decided that was good enough. Making people's lives better has a sort of mechanistic satisfaction in the same way I derive satisfaction from seeing a well-oiled machine run effectively and without problems. It'd be stupid not to do it, and sometimes it's fun to just fix things. Wander into some place, see something that could be working better, fix it so it does. Ding goes the dopamine.
What was I supposed to need the empathy partfor? A lot of what I see others do with theirs is - "well, my tribe comes first, I care about them the most." Or for those who are more driven by their emotional empathy, they'll be like that with their friends or something, and justify being callous to their enemies. Me? I don't care. I may have nothing but contempt for this dumbass in the article, and the people who vote like him - but given a choice to screw over these bozos or implement progressive socialism that just so happens to benefit all those idiots I can't stand as well as the ones I do like, I'll take option B every time.
Because it'd be stupid not to. Empathy is optional. All you need are enough braincells to rub together.
Read? Or think critically?
"You break the law. You go to jail. And for that reason, I'm voting for the guy with 91 felony counts."
they hate people of color.... they try to hide it... but ask a few questions and you find it
I mean, the *number* of cases was clearly immaterial. You could throw down every bad thing Trump's ever done in his life, and the only accusation that gave this guy a moment's pause was the one issue he knew *something* about. Appeals to hypocrisy will mostly just vanish in the soup that fills his head.
I've always taken issue with "you break the law, you go to jail". Laws enforced by the government aren't a measuring stick of right vs wrong. They're just what the people in power determine to be right vs wrong. Smoking a joint doesn't make you worthy of a prison sentence, just because the government passed a bill that says you're not allowed to do it. The fact that he would even make this argument speaks to a significant lack of critical thinking.
Also, it is quite hilarious that he makes this argument, while white knighting for the most criminal president in American history.
🤣 this feels like it should be satire. I can’t help but laugh at what our reality is
@@julesdalli9716 Well, it's just when people want more government overreach. And a smaller government. And more police. And less regulations. And strict law enforcement. And more personal freedom. And...
It is concerning when a senior project manager of a security company holds deep wishes for the collapse of everything.
He wants the palm trees to fall so he can gather all of the coconuts
As someone else wrote here. They don't think they will be affected. Because Trump is on THEIR side. It's of course all dilutions.
Sounds very secure
It meshes with that lady who said Trump being a dictator is ok cuz he’s our dictator. And another woman who said if a dictator is what’s needed…for..something…then a dictator is what she’ll support.
These people come from white privilege, are usually middle to upper-middle class, probably have spent most of their lives in a suburb, many probably have never been homeless or faced the prospect of being so, they had a large family and support structure, periods of unemployment if ever experienced were likely shorter than non-whites, a great many have never set a toe outside national borders…so many factors that define why white people “don’t know how good they got it”. Their mindset is if they can’t have it, nobody can.
The mind that can simultaneously vociferously insist they are “pro-freedom” while being perfectly willing to vote for someone who said he intends to be dictator is one that wants to burn everything they’re convinced is being stolen from them by “elites”…which is exactly what this guy and so many Trumpets have been saying for years. These voters have been breathlessly communicating that they hate everything and don’t care who suffers. They know he’s burning the system down, they like that, they want it even if it will suck for them too, and there isn’t a thing in the world that will convince them otherwise.
Let's see how long his job and house last when things go sideways.
"Haley should have taken higher ground when the men folk insulted her. So I'm voting for the guy who based his entire personality on insulting people."
I don't understand why no one running hasn't started clowning on Trump.
@@timbuckjr9081because he’s the golden calf
Though he’s more of a gilded calf
@@timbuckjr9081 Because they are career politicians and administrators who know populism when they see it but have no use for it as it is, at its core, a destructive position.
You can't run a system on populism - you can only tear down a system that way.
To "clown on" Trump one would have to go down on his level - and then some, lower, below the belt. Only people supporting that would be people supporting Trump already.
Those willing to cheer on for a stronger and bigger bully.
@@Gloomdrake Not even gilded; it's just polished bronze.
I'll chip in too: My mother would probably consider herself left leaning or center. That being said, she said she would vote for Trump over Biden because she's sick of seeing him and Biden "needs to go". Not for policy, but for vibes. Because Biden is an old senile man. She's fully aware of how bad Trump is and how he's worse in basically every way to Biden, but because vibes, she currently would pick Trump.
These are the type of people we are dealing with. It's just straight up vibes with these people.
This scares the shit outta me because this basically means that there are a lot of people would just dismiss how monstrous Trump is as a person let alone as a New York wannabe Billionaire Con-man or when HE WAS the President Of The United States. Orange man bad indeed 🙄🙄🙄😮💨😮💨😮💨
It's like the one meme/video of the Indian dude saying "the problem with democracy/rule of the people is that the people... Are really stupid" (he actually said the "ret@rd" word, which I know leftists are weirdly strongly against)
Can you explain to me how trump is worse than joe Biden? You know that joe Biden supported Jim Crow laws right?
Fucking hypocrisy at its finest
Your need to al least call her out on how idiotic that way of reasoning is! Besides the dangers that she’s obviously ignoring coming from the GOP. Haven’t you heard of project 2025?
That's the cult mentality
unironically, whoever wrote that article deserves massive praise. it was very engaging to following along with
And they were very respectful of the man’s perspective, charitably breaking down each point
@@xXRickTrolledXxHonestly, that seems unnecessary. I don't see anything that particularly warrants respect. Tricking this guy into baring his idiocy to the whole world is what I'm here for.
@@FelisImpurrator Honestly, your callousness seems unnecessary. If you're wholly convinced that any interaction with a Trump supporter is an opportunity to "trick them into exposing their idiocy" then you've become just as toxic Ben Shapiro. Stay on the internet.
@@xXRickTrolledXx No argument, just "you're bad". And? Did you have a point? I don't see you complaining about the rhetoric Vaush was using.
All that matters in a pragmatic, utilitarian sense is convincing these people they're wrong and not to vote Republican. Otherwise, more people suffer and die. Can you explain what's so terrible about me saying mean things about the rich, landed, politically incoherent Republican whose thoughtless little spite vote goes toward undermining democracy and quality of life for most Americans, whose life I will never meaningfully affect by insulting him in a comment section he will never see in his lifetime? Can you tell me how that makes me equal to Ben Shapiro, whose political propaganda creates countless more people like him and actively, measurably harms people?
Please. Let's hear it. How am I just as bad?
@@FelisImpurrator you definitely need to take a break from the internet
Donald Trump: "I love the poorly educated"
Liberals/Leftists: I hate the poorly educated.
@@Herotruth Yes living in ignorance can be blissful and convenient we get it, you can buy people great books even drive them to the library but you can't force them to read if they don't want to learn, or are mentally incapable. FYI not a lib.
Well, makes sense, the only person he loves is himself 😂
Would you rather him say he hates the poorly educated? For better or worse, a lot of Americans are poorly educated. I would rather have a President that embraces all Americans as American than Democrats that only pretend to care about the poorly educated as long as they vote democrat.
@@sophiepooks2174 Mentally incapable? Is that a medical condition? People want to jobs or to start their own business, not be hindered by large corporations who can pay employees 15 an hour, or be taxed out of existence so they can't compete. People don't want to be enslaved to corporations, they want to be independent.
I’m from Europe, and we’re experiencing our own problems with right-wing extremism atm. In June, elections will be held in my country and it’s a near certainty that the far-right party will come out on top.
I know a couple of people - even in my close family - who will vote for that party. They didn’t use to be this radical, at all, and I’m still searching for factors that might explain their rapid radicalization.
It pretty much began in 2016 with Trump’s election, and has worsened drastically since covid, up to the point that they are beyond help. They simply cannot be reasoned with, and if I try, I get painted as a fool who has fallen victim to the establishment’s lies. Climate change? Lie. Covid vaccines? Poison. People of color in the streets? White replacement. Media reports X? It must be Y. Putin and Trump? Strong leaders…
Trump is not the issue. We don’t have Trump here, but we have similar conmen. They are merely a symptom of an underlying disease. In a healthy society, no one would fall for their rhetoric. I don’t know what the ultimate cause is, but we need to fix it ASAP.
That disease is called corporatism.
Feeding sad and disgruntled people information that will make them more sad and disgruntled makes money.
It's really that simple, the people at the levers of power simply don't care how bad things have to get in order for them to keep making more and more and more money.
I assume its Belgium as thats the main one in june
I assume its Belgium as thats the main one in june
Fractured media enabled by technology. No media “gate keepers “ any longer
Everyone now in their bubbles, no common truth any longer. If we can’t agree with each other on what is reality, we’ll never agree on anything else
"In a healthy society, no one would fall for their rhetoric". I don't think that's true. Or at least, that definition of healthy is an unrealistically high standard.
The core problem is the lack of critical thinking and self-reflection skills. You aren't born with those. We do not have a curriculum for teaching those in schools. But with every passing year, those skills become more and more necessary. Without those skills, vague, incoherent vibes are the only thing people can rely on in forming their political beliefs.
As a veteran, I completely agree with you, especially when you mention the fact that veterans often feel rejected, or often ignored and angry at the world, and I felt that way and I hated feeling that way for years and I didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way so I made it a goal to be a better person to help spread understanding, kindness, and knowledge, at least within my own circles. Personally, I feel like the entire system of the VA and the military needs to be restructured. There needs to be a far better solution for whenever veterans exit and even entry, I can’t tell you how many veterans I’ve seen that are so broken that they don’t know how to even function and I’ll be honest it’s made me more jaded toward the military as a whole organization. It’s made me regret my service because I hate how broken people get how messed up the things I’ve seen are, people don’t deserve that nobody does. The problem here is that we enable this behavior like Donald Trump‘s, and we celebrated as if it’s in peoples eyes the second of Jesus. There should be harsher consequences for people like him but then again, we’re also playing with a very thin line here it’s a hard place to navigate, but thank you Vaush
Thanks for sharing your story! What do you think veterans need most in your experience?
I'm a 5 year USMC veteran. I don't regret my service but I didn't particularly like my time in. Now mind you, I got out in 02 so it was before the whole Iraq boondoggle. I just couldn't stand the stupidity and there was a lot of it. What I do dislike is when Kaepernick was taking a knee. You had people preface an opinion about it saying "Well I never served but my Dad did & my Uncle did & my Grandfather did, etc," and say how disgraceful it is to the flag and the ones (not them) that served. I would say probably 99% of them cheer Donald on when he is hugging the flag and rubbing his face in it with a grin ear to ear, treating the flag as if it were one of his mistresses. To me that is far more disrespectful than quietly kneeling during the Nation Anthem.
I do agree with you, that something needs to be done to better help veterans and probably a better structured military. Though, I wouldn't have the slightest idea on how to do either when the a good percentage of the people coming up with the legislation are in the "Well I never served" category and the military is too set in the ways to drastically change from within.
Not a veteran, but in my mind the feeling of rejection is probably caused by the fact that the military is so extremely insular. When you get out you lose your friends, routines, social structure, and purpose. I see this a lot with normal retirees, but the military is probably a lot worse. Would you guys agree?
Stop thanking me for my service, and do something about why the service is needed.
@@ashleydavis3318 That's absolutely it. When you're in your life is very structured and one doesn't have "individuality."
I can`t ever understand people who choose Trump and not their family. Johnson is okay that his brother does not talk to him, because of Trump.
Trumpers are near identical to flat-earthers. They KNOW they are correct so they are literally incapable of letting it all go... The internet is truly a blessing and a curse
Cults live and die on their ability to alienate cultists from their family members, and have developed some very sophisticated psychological tricks to facilitate that.
As for Johnson in particular, I cannot speak to his mental state, but I would not be the least bit surprised if there was some pre-existing unspoken resentment he felt towards his brother for whatever reason, and Trump was just the most convenient excuse to feed that grudge without having to acknowledge it.
Wanna know the sad truth? Much of MAGA views white non-republicans as “race traitors” who will vote for democrats to “let in aliens to replace them”. To them, not voting for Trump is a huge disgrace not only to their family but to “all whites”. They literally see their own family as evil.
Take this as you will from someone who spent a few years in a southern red state.
Wanna know the sad truth? Much of MAGA views white non-republicans as “race traitors”. To them, they’re a huge disgrace not only to their family, but to “all whites”. They literally see their own family as evil.
Take this as you will from someone who spent a few years in a southern red state.
@@Rudero3 Yup and add the Qanoners and anti-vaxxers to the loonie bin. I've interacted with ALL of them in person and they're all the same when you dig through all the crazy §hit. It would be truly fascinating if they weren't all collectively contributing to societal collapse 🤣
I overheard a conversation between two veterans one was for biden one was for trump yesterday, biden guy rattled off all the things he liked biden for, all trump guy had to say was "hunters laptop" and "dont you think you were doing better under trump" no further arguments
Well I was younger under Trump and so were you. Therefore Trump based!
@@TankZappa Under Biden we are closer to death! Unless Trump gets reelected....
A conservative with no arguments, I am shocked.
Just gonna pull out the 'hunters laptop' card in random conversations and win everytime
"Don't you think we were doing better under Trump?" lol no next
" I'm a black & white guy" & there's your problem. The world is mostly gray sir
My mom went from hippie, to tweaker/biker, to born again, to Qrack head. It kinda broke my brain when I saw her murderous outlaw biker peers standing next to cops protecting Target and Walmart.
Americans have no culture to cling to, and it shows.
lmao
Bikers love outlaws… unless they’re black outlaws. It’s all good ol’ fun when it’s white people breaking the law.
Cults gonna cult.
That's rough, hope your doing alright
_"the symbol of Jesus Christ laid directly next to a _*_killing_*_ instrument"_
The symbol of Jesus Christ *_IS_* a killing instrument...
damn chat beat me to it
"Why do Christians wear crosses around their necks? You think when Jesus comes back he wants to see a f***ing cross? That's like going up to Jackie Onassis wearing a rifle pendant! 'Just thinkin' of John, Jackie!'" - Bill Hicks
Not to mention that Jesus Christ is unambiguously God's killing Instrument come Armageddon when the heavens open to let a bloody horse with a rider wearing a bloody coat and blood-spattered crown, and has a bloody sword for a tongue...
Technically, it's more a torture device, but that's just semantics.
@@MrGksarathyIts a torture *to death* device
@@benjaminjenkins2384 Most crucifixions didn't end in death, but true.
I think the biggest red flag was what he said way back in September at the Haley rally, "some of his neighbors would hate him if he so much as put up a sign for her in his yard." They are way too concerned about what others will think about them instead of doing the right thing. It's why a lot of them didn't wear masks during the height of the pandemic.
1000x this!
Conservatives are really timid deep down, they crack under pressure.
Conservatives are very concerned with being perceived as "normal." As the world moves away from outdated ideas from the 19th century, they look increasingly less "normal." So they double down on tribal identities while desperately trying to turn the clock back.
I love how he says the FBI doesn’t do shit but also says that the FBI raid on Mar A Lago was too much😂
Because he's just saying. A parrot. There's no thought behind it. No critical thought. That's why it makes them angry when you point it out
They don't do much good, they're a politically motivated arm of law enforcement. Pay attention, and the contradictions sort themselves out.
The FBI doesn't do shit with what he considers problem, but they do things against Trump, which he believes is problematic.
Not difficult to understand what his 'logic' was there.
imagine being this set in life, with this much apparent wealth (living in a 750k house) and yet he wants to destroy it all...
When you become that materially comfortable, you get bored. Some people just want to watch the world burn.
@@pastlesandfish I don't even think it's "watch the world burn". It's just, having lived a comfortable life for a while, they stop considering just how bad things can be. It's the same fundamental human brain flaw that makes you ignore putting on your hard hat in the workplace, because you've spent a couple years there, and nothing has cracked your skull during those couple of years.
I am sure he doesn't think that it will negatively impact him. He assumes that wealthy veterans like himself will be protected by Trump and all the people he dislikes will be pushed back down to the bottom where he thinks they belong.
Yep, and this also jibes with the data revealing that the majority of hardcore MAGA nutters actually live pretty comfortable middle class lives, unlike the typical image of ignorant 'trailer trash' (although there's also no small number of 'un-educated' Trump fans as well). And apparently many of 'em began getting interested in politics with the Tea Party movement, drawn less by any particular policy demands, but more by the new-found sense of 'meaning', from joining a popular 'movement' (not unlike Trump's widely advertised 'rallies').
BTW, back during the Tea Party days, Lindsey Graham tells of once meeting a gathering of his Tea Party constituents. And after he patiently waited for them to say their piece and voice their complaints, Graham said he asked them one question... "OK, so when you finally 'take back your country', what are you going to *_DO_* with it?" Graham said the room suddenly became so quiet, that you could hear a pin drop.
I also feel that their fears of *losing* their wealth and comfort is played upon. Any change or threat to their lifestyle becomes some dire problem created by whatever group of people they are told to hate. It's easier to blame your problems on immigrants that you see scary videos of than to dissect the actual systems and address the root of problems. If you did that you might have to admit to yourself that the real problems were either within your ability to help solve and you turned your back on it, or the ones making the problems look a hell of a lot more like you than an immigrant.
Ted Johnson is the answer to the question "Why should Fox News be illegal"
A propaganda network owned by a foreign billionaire with the express goal of influencing politics sounds like espionage to me. Its mere existence shows how disgustingly corrupt our politicians are. It's clearly not okay, but since it benefits some politicians, they not only allow it but endorse it.
Yep.
He probably got his start on base, too. Fox's foreign held anti-American disinformation network has a worldwide exclusive contract with the USA's forces to show Fox "News" on every public space TV on every US military base.
It's not even the Fox News' fault, really. The problem is the lack of critical thinking and self-reflection. The modern man needs critical thinking skills more than ever. I am not one of those dumbasses who claim that "calculus is stupid, because it has no real-life use", but the importance of pretty much every single school subject in existence pales in comparison to how important it is to teach every single person in existence critical thinking. Which is not a part of school curriculum anywhere, and honestly, I have no idea where you would even begin designing a curriculum that teaches that.
It was in the 80's and early 90's @@reanamet1901 but conservatives started calling it "liberal mind control" and the weak willed liberals apologised and stopped trying to teach people how to use their fucking brains
@@reanamet1901 media studies. not long form essays about boring books no one really cares about either, make kids dissect the meaning of a song, have a discussion about a single scene from a movie, or even explain why a game mechanic might exist.
People need to remember that vibe based politics are still the bulk voting public. Bush, Obama, and Trump rode this to victory.
People also treat politics as if it were a team sport and there are only ever 2 teams that play, so you have to pick a team to root for.
I mean there is only 2 teams@timbuckjr9081
well bush didn't actually win but yeah
Clinton and Reagan probably fit that bill as well.
I was just saying that on another comment. Many voters don’t know anything about policy and just get caught up in the zeitgeist of the moment; as created by the media. Hence how people who voted for Obama decided to turn around and vote for Trump while blaming Obama for anything they are told not to like.
My uncle has a black wife and mixed kids. His second oldest married a black dude. He LOVES that guy, never shuts up about him. But good lord some of the sh** that comes out his mouth or he posts on FB is insane. It’s like a whole different person. It’s like he lives in two realities and his family is the exception to the rule
This perfectly describes a lot of people I know
Everyone you know is "one of the good ones." The only black person not corrupted by hood culture, the only liberal who can calmly reason with people they disagree with, the only woman who enjoys sex jokes and doesn't blame men for everything, etc. is the black person, liberal, and woman that a conservative knows.
Some of the most racist men I've know married Asian, Latina, and black women. Listed in order of most to least common.
Virulent racism CAN be highly selective, odd as that might seem at first blush. People are weird and baffling. And don’t bet that the same person wouldn’t turn on a dime if the right (or wrong) circumstances arose.
Ngl my mom is like this. Half the time i think the only reason she doesnt hate me is because im her son
“Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results.” Margaret Atwood
This. Too many leftists are willing to forgive stupidity
Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice
@@apokalyps2547 that's what i always say
Reading this dude string together the most incoherent lines of thought really reminds me a lot of talking with my family about Trump. I love them to death, but Trump (and the GOP + Fox News) have completely ruined their ability to think rationally. It is always, "Trump is innocent, he can do no wrong, and even if he did wrong he was justified." Every time, just working backwards from their conclusion.
It’s cognitive dissonance, and it’s all they can do to hold together their understanding of the world. It would be sad, if they weren’t such useful idiots to the most malignant caucuses.
They have a lot of experience making excuses for their god's choices. Can do no wrong. They are proud of blind faith over Reason.
@@Misses-HippyCringe Reddit atheism needs a comeback. As far as I’m concerned it’s the religious nuts like this guy vs the rest of us.
@@Misses-HippyYes. This is the basis for why they feel and behave this way, even - perhaps especially- when called out for it. Nobody is reasoned into religion. If they were, kids would never be seen in places of worship and have all kinds of media repeating specific messages fed to them from the age of 2 or 3. So, so many of them have for so long never had to think beyond a good vs evil, this or that choice, and further, they haven’t had the things they were told ever challenged until many years of indoctrination have already taken place. By that point, a direct challenge that appears instinctively disrespectful will be treated as encroaching evil or problematic suggestion. This happens even with highly respected scientists who achieve the heights of scientific research, but also hold that the beautiful sight of a frozen waterfall was enough to convince them a specific god is real and interacting with this reality.
An extreme few of the people we’’re talking about have ever truly been exposed to the Socratic method and having even a few of their beliefs picked apart. They don’t operate from a critique frame, they operate from groupthink extending across millennia.
Meanwhile you people have proven he’s done nothing wrong other than speak disrespectfully.
While your half the country has held power you have been weaponzinf the justice system against your political opponents.
We noticed. You are actually the fascists.
This is like a textbook definition of a cult. Shut out your whole family for the cult and its leader. I can’t imagine being able to acknowledge that a political figure is actively tearing your family apart and still aligning yourself with them, it’s crazy.
To them, their family being unable to aknowledge their belief is the bad thing not their ideas
Victim complex is just too powerful in authoritarian thinking
Ted's thinking process is completely broken and incoherent.
It's like he replaced his brain with wood pulp and WD40.
Just needed Duct tape.
That’s insulting to WD-40. That stuff is actually useful. Whatever is between his ears isn’t.
Voters like him know they have a foot in the grave already. They don't care about future generations and very much want to burn it all down for everyone else, it seems. Cynical contrarians who love to pull the ladder of opportunity behind them. "Got mine, eff all y'all!"
Thank god ted won't be alive long
Obesity meth and mobility scooters ...that's maga
It's easy to see how bad their reasoning is, but there is no way to counter it. They are very open about their double standard, there is nothing Trump can say or do that will change their opinion about him, yet any other candidate has to follow the rules.
I don't think you can convince someone like this. But I do think that effective political advocacy, which deals with social alienation and economic inequality would take the wind out of their sails.
It's why it can be so easy to write off such people. I think, however, there are two mindsets at play within such people - American exceptionalism and, to a smaller extent, anarchism. Exceptionalism holds that American white men are and should be on top forever and ever, and anyone else is there to serve them. The anarchism element is simply the urge among some to watch the world burn - and if there's profit to be made, all the better.
For the former, therapy may help most, primarily in recovering one's empathy. For those in the latter group and those for whom therapy doesn't help, all one can do is isolate them and warn others of the danger they hold.
The point isn't to convince fascists, it's to make them irrelevant and take their grasp off any reign of power
Deep. @@kellyvaters1689
He is religion brained. I mostly see the religious with this kind of mentality towards politics. Just calling a spade a spade.
I haven’t seen every Vaush video but this is the best one I’ve seen so far. I’m impressed by how he cut right to the core motivations of this guy. I wanna see more of this tbh
Yeah vaush seems to be very Sharp and focused, however he often ventures outside his fields of expertise because his political intelect allows him to aply what he knows into what he doesnt know and thus It can be whacky or half assed at times
"You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons." - Blazing Saddles.
I say this in the most compassionate way possible.
I watched that the other night. It cracks me up just as it did the first time
Gene Wilder was a real one
Oh I really need to watch that one again.
Bless you for bringing that to mind! A brilliant work of art and character study.
This is literally every Republican in my family. They basically think the Republicans are tough guys who get things done (what those things are I have no idea) and Democrats are just weak, and they have zero knowledge of policy or any personal political convictions whatsoever. Essentially, it all comes down to personalities for them.
We call this "crackpot realism." Too many people assume that tougher and/or more "realistic" people are angry, aggressive, and pessimistic, and weak and/or "unrealistic" people are compassionate, optimistic, and cheerful.
@@jeremyjackson7429 they know and still worship it, it's like idols or avatars
Democrats are the ones who get things done. Whenever there's a Republican president, the government always switched back to Democrat the next term so they can clean-up the mess that the Republicans caused.
He sounds like the German working class guy in the old War Department Movie "Don't be a Sucker". He didn't have an ideology either, he just fell for empty promises based on vibes.
Good reference.
I hate gut politics our gut feeling is not made to deal with modern social/economic problems it's made to give you a good guess on if that bush over there has a tiger in it or not.
So. Freaking. TRUE!
You’re so right, there’s a reason conservatives are motivated by fear and disgust while leftists tend to be more educated
They are aggrieved, but they lack the tools and the desire to learn _why_ and so will latch onto whatever source gets fed to them.
These people, at the heart, need therapy. But they're also the sort of people who would never get therapy no matter how broken they are.
Therapy only works on people who want to change. This guy doesn't want to get better, he wants to get worse.
Anger is a secondary emotion. There’s always something else behind it that’s the root cause.
@@comradecam9530 So... what I said, only talking about them being angry instead of being aggrieved?
Just to add to your point, I have an IRL friend who is politically illiterate and does the same "vibes-based politics/flip-flops on a dime" stuff the dude in the interview did. He openly said to me multiple times that he supports Trump specifically because Trump will make foreign countries "respect us again by force", but literally 2 minutes later he complains about how racist the GOP is and that Trump is a "dumb piece of shite" who "supported a coup attempt".
I showed him Project 2025, and it seemed to legitimately alarm him, like his reaction was basically "holy crap the GOP wants to turn America into a dictatorship, that's messed up", but NOT EVEN 30 SECONDS LATER he says "we need Trump to be our dictator to put the fear of God into Russia and China", "Russia wasn't attacking Ukraine when Trump was in charge/Biden is weak", etc.
A shockingly large number of people think exactly like this. It's honestly scary
I think it's cos a lot grow up learning a blank "faith" in what you want to believe is ok & makes sense.. When there is no virtue in "faith" , in yourself or a god.. You're supposed to find out what you need, want & why, first..
Not just leave it to "trust me bro"..
A religious lifestyle breeds a religious type of following/ believing things based on the "vibes", instead of putting actual critical thought into it..
The thing that frustrates me about New England is that everyone calls Maine the shitty state when New Hampshire is *right there*
The honest to God truth.
Because taxes
I have never heard that personally. Of course im floridian, so i usually hear northerners call florida a shithole and floridians talk about the deep south states as worse. Personally i think people should be bagging on MI,AL, and NM more than florida
The problem is that at the VERY least Maine is memorable.
New Hampshire? Is that really even a state? I don't know, doesn't ring any bells...
@@adamsmasher9769 Florida is currently working extra hard to meet its brethren Mississippi and Alabama at the bottom of the barrel.
New Hampshire Republicans are on a whole other level of broken
Just wait until you see New Hampshire libertarians.
*Nervously laughing in Mainer…
Just keep in mind, while our hogs are uniquely broken (as are the libertarians we have here), NH does not like Trump or Trump republicans. Pro gun, but not pro hog. Now, Maine's second district is a different story...
yall should look up all the various locations some of the people involved with operation paperclip chose... its enlightening to say the least 😂😂
True. I live in Concord and was talking to a conservative the other day. He was so proud that his wife went to the Trump rally and was interviewed by the Wall Street Journal. I made a joke about it being another insurrection and he went off on me. "Name me one thing Trump did wrong!" he said. "Hundreds of stolen Top Secret documents..." "No! He can declassify anything at any time!" he said. "Wrong, there is a process..." "Keep drinking the cool-aid!" Sad, sad man.
It really is just vibes when their reasoning for voting is either vague statements like ‘we need to dismantle the establishment’ or completely regurgitated conservative talking points. There’s nothing there but a feeling, so that’s why the most illuminating thing Trump supporters say is ‘he says how I feel’.
The Jimmy dore types love that anti establishment talk
@@bibsp3556 The US constitution called for a civilian commander in chief for that reason. What would make duh Army guy happy? Martial law followed by junta control?
@seekingthelovethatgodmeans7648 what are you saying here, wanna give that another go? I genuinely don't understand
I grew up in a catholic community and I can say there are an enormous amount of Catholics who are progressive on all issues except abortion, so they vote Republican just because they want abortion to be illegal. None of my catholic relatives or friends are racist or homophobic or transphobic, they’re just single issue voters when it comes to making abortion illegal.
Single issue voters , I hate that
Most fundamentalist Christians are exactly the same way. They're single issue voters on abortion.
incredibly stupid people, the bible literally states life begins _at first breath_
@@wplants9793same like I dated a trans man for awhile and my mom knew he was trans, respected his pronouns and long after we broke up still tells me she misses him and wants us to get back together, but she’s voting for the orange man because he’s anti abortion.
This just looks like Brazil to me, here is exactly like that, everything progressive is well perceive except abortions 🤦🏼
Such an important article for people to see. Thanks for covering this.
"He's married to his three adult sons"
New Hampshire is something else huh ?
We love our large adult sons don’t we folks?
Cult leaders tend to target mentally vunerbaled and damaged. And the cultee tends to seek it out.
Just like the crooked liberal establishment did to you
Ja, das ist eine vunerbaled
"Down there… are people who will follow any dragon, worship any god, ignore any inequity. All out of a kind of humdrum, everyday badness. Not the really high, creative loathsomeness of the great sinners, but a sort of mass-produced darkness of the soul. Sin, you might say, without a trace of originality. They accept evil not because they say yes, but because they don’t say no"
Lord Vetinari; "guards, guards" Sir Terry Pratchett.
Political Science needs to be a compulsary part of the federal curriculum. Knowledge is power, ignorance is someone else's power.
This is a "how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man" moment.
How would a critically thinking population benefit those in power? Yeah sure let's ask them to give us our political science course. And financial literacy courses while we're at it. Credit card companies would loooove that. They don't have lobbying power or anything.
We need only be taught to read and write. We're on our own for everything else. At least we have the Internet in our pockets.
I’ve had a college level gov/politics class parrot lot of the same stuff I heard in high school about “socialism is when dictators and famine” so don’t have a lot of faith in that being the golden arrow to a better informed public yet
@@justwannabehappy6735 Better than nothing.
It would also be good to have a federal curriculum, instead of letting every podunk truck stop town in Squarestate getting to teach creationism
@justwannabehappy6735 that's true of all primary education, it wouldn't hurt to make it more like university courses
I used to be part of the MAGA Cult. I got my start in politics in High School around 2016 with the Humanist report, then I somehow got algorithmically swept into the Gamergate youtubers and Tim pool crowd and became more intolerable from there until 2023 where I disengaged from all politics for about half a year and ended up on the Vaush sphere, Where I have genuinely become a better person.
I did not even have any particular reason to be racist or transphobic, and I even appear (Black/Latin / I am Cookies and Cream). I just followed the talking heads. I even had/have lots of trans friends IRL.
I am glad you got better. There is no shame in accepting what you used to be. Critical thinking and self-reflection are not skills you can be born with. We should celebrate the fact you were fortunate enough to gain them.
Funny, I ended up being the exact opposite as you. Moving from being extremely left wing to really just center left (I actually don't identify with any political group now, but that's probably the one I'm closest to)
@@theshermantanker7043 Most of Vaush is still pretty to the left of me. I just think Healthcare should be completely public, housing should similarly be decommodified, and that Cars are EVIL.
Also that bigotry is bad.
I do think some people get worn down with trying to work out what's best, when being fed a constant stream of confusing information - no, not information, propaganda? talking points? vitriol? - and just ... giving up. Nail your colours to the biggest, loudest, most colourful mast you see and just ... let go. Follow that mast wherever it takes you. I'm told it is freeing, not having to think critically for yourself any more, and that does sound as though it has its benefits.
But this is how the fascists get you.
Cults are always a symptom of something deeper that's wrong. Chaos wears people down. Some people just have a weaker breaking point.
99 times out of a 100 if you’re told to “do your own research”, you’re talking to a crank
"Do your own research" always means "uncritically watch Facebook and UA-cam videos and trust them purely because they're not mainstream media." I fucking swear, the lack of information literacy in this country is tearing it apart.
I was just thinking, every time I see/hear someone do the "Do your own research" thing, it's clear they've never done any research themselves. Every single time.
The lack of critical thinking skills obvious in like half of the entire population is going to be the death kneel for democracy
It's like they assume that whatever "research" they did is legitimate and anyone will be exposed to the same "facts" if they just look. They don't realize their "research" took place in an echo chamber and that your Boomer friend Carol posting memes about how Jan 6th was actually totally chill is not true research.
I think the "trust the science" people are blind faith worshipers and doing research to educate yourself should be normal. Are you advocating for people to deliberately stay ignorant or allow themselves to be propagandized?
Living in this country just damages a person's long term thinking ability.
imagine living in texas. source: lived in texas for almost a decade and I'm amazed daily how belligerently stupid these hogs are. this morning i heard a coworker complain their taxes went up - they make over 100k...
Yeah, dude, no kidding.
@@BiggRipzstay mad 🤖
Nonsense, all people make a choice on what information they consume. There are brilliant people worldwide and dumb as:;::s worldwide. Get off the internet and actually go out in the world and meet people.
@@BiggRipzokay Chaz was ONE TIME. What's the left:right ratio for mass shooters again?
I have peered into the void and it is too dumb to look back 😂
I think you have confused the void with the abyss. The abyss ALWAYS looks back.
This guy definitely didn't watch the Jan 6 hearings. What he actually did was watch one of the right wing grifters tell him how to feel about the hearings.
I sent a video of the most violent clips to the local AM talk show and they just kept on with their peaceful demonstration rhetoric.
Precisely.
The same people who called the "Summer of Love" a "mostly peaceful protest" have a problem when people who aren't on their side have the mostly peaceful protest. But where most of the violence during that summer was started by the "peaceful protestors," the violence at Jan 6th was instigated by the police. And where so many people from the summer were let out very quickly on bail, plenty of people from January 6th are being held with no charges at all. But sure, facts are just feelings now, I guess.
@@hagoryopi2101 Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You aren't whining are you?
@@jimandskittum Why is it stupid to protest in defense of the security of democracy?
I grew up just over an hour from Centralia. Southern Illinois is very rural and red. Chicago is basically the sole reason why IL is a blue state and folks in the rural areas have been seething at that for decades.
I also live and grew up in rural Illinois and can attest to just about every county that isn't a metropolis of some kind being a far-right shithole
That’s largely true for every state. But in red states where the larger segment rules the politics, it’s the Dems in the cities that feel isolated. Houston is a good example, and it’s why the Texas state government is trying to tamp down their political impact.
I want more analysis videos like this really digging into the psychology of individuals. I've been able to piece together stuff like this through conversations and debates with people and my rehtoric has been improved and sharpened by being able to identify talking points when they pop up and where they likely came from. But just raw analytical observation of case studies like these provide invaluble types of insight and opportunity for learning.
Rage Against Themselves
They are the machine
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 suicide machine.
Old dust balls want change, but they can't figure out how to do it without horrific damage, even if you tell them.
They couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.
This guy doesn't want change. He wants the damage.
@@LimeyLassen i knew people that damn stupid, the change is the damage
This whole thing reminds me of the Freikorps from post-WW1 Germany. PTSD, alienation, a rapidly changing world where they feel they don't belong in it, and having less than positive perception from the civilian population created a sort of monster that reallynis angry at the world they are in and has no qualms showing that anger. Watch out, I wouod not be surprised if they form very active, open, and aggressive militias...
eh these people are too lazy to actually do anything
I recently saw an interview. They asked a Trump voter why he was going to vote for Trump. His answer?
"Well, I don't really know much about politics, but I lot of people like him so he has to be a great guy."
The hard truth is that vibes, personal reasons, insecurities, and resentment play a big part, if not the majority in our politics.
Sad but true
and, culture/zeitgeist
This dude is literally a living version of the Skinner Meme. He's a trump supporting Jan 6 Stan who calls himself an UNDECIDED VOTER, and is confused why his family hates him.
Brooooo that analysis at the end of this video really resonated with me. I have been wracking my brain to try and rationalize, and to an extent, empathize with these trump supporters. The only issue is, there will never be any self reflection or emotional insight for these people. The lack the required equipment. The next phase of america is going to come down to dumb luck. Either the dummies get lucky or they dont. When america is burning to ground bc of a second trump presidency, they still wont be fulfilled, and theyll find anything other than trump to blame, bc blaming trump, would be blaming themselves.
After how well Trump's first term went with the economy and no new wars, and how poorly Biden's is going with inflation and potentially three new wars if I remember right (it's hard to keep track at this point), I fail to see how Trump is a bigger threat.
I hate this. This is scary to see. This man is going to die like this - he won't develop past this level of cognition. You cannot convince this guy - you can only manipulate him. This is horrific to think about.
F him it's his own fault he's such an intellectual coward!
This was an excellent segment. I thoroughly enjoyed this.
This is really important. People online really do forget the most politically relevant shit and focus too much on debunking like online far right figures who have no real power or influence. This guy is more reflective of what actually needs to be addressed.
This is really good and insightful. Every argument/debate I’ve ever had with a conservative online always goes same way. It’s really difficult to get them to make any sort of clear definitive statement about their actual political positions and they just end up going in circles while getting really mad and making personal attacks. Lol.
I remember I had one recently with a dude who flat out refused to provide any sort of clarification of what he saw socialism as or what his issue was with it. I finally got him to provide some sort of response, but then he just described capitalism (bunch of rich people having all the power) and blocked me before I could respond, lol.
God is in there somewhere. Whether they believe or not, their belief systems are shaped along religious lines. Thinking critically is like a devil's plot. Everything empirical or reasoned is a lie.
The interviewer did a fantastic job
One of the best segments you've made
This is a very good segment. We talk a lot about how evil republican operatives are that it’s easy to forget that normal people don’t actually think about their beliefs. They just hold them, instinctually.
You can guide people very far very quickly with the current media landscape
This works for good and bad
worse, they are fed those believes by fox, etc.
I live in Southern Oklahoma, arguably the reddest state we have in the union. I was in high school when Trump was elected and I've watched this type of brain rot grip every man in my life: every, single, man. Admittedly, the latter half of this video is a bit painful for me to listen to. Though Vaush and the chat are right about people like this running the country to the ground, I can't help but sympathize a bit because these types of people are all I have as male figures around me. I've lost my father entirely after I came out as trans and he continues to spiral further into bitterness and paranoia, he's become afraid and behaves like a cornered animal whose only option is to "lash out" and vote for Trump. My grandfather is spending the last years of his life alone. I can't trust any man around me, but I empathize with their crippling loneliness.
People like this have been made to believe that the entire world is evil and has turned against them, no matter their religious affiliation (my father is staunchly atheist), and many of them consume politics and Trump like parasocial K-Pop stans. It's painful for me to think every man in my life has been lost to this, but by this point, it's been about 9 years since the moment I lost my father followed by losing all other potential father figures. I still can't find the energy to be anything but empathetic, though.
If you recognizing all the crap that is happening around you, you do not need a father figure. The point of a father figure is to help guide you to be well adjusted human being. Seems like you are there already. Sucks that you can't enjoy adulthood to be able to share with your father the fruits of the growths but could be worse.
Man that's sad... And he's actually atheist? That's wild to me coming from a staunchly catholic family who mostly voted for trump! My parents luckily hate him as much as me... but your dad is truly baffling. The only thing I could imagine that MIGHT help him would be to see a therapist but it would have to one specialized in de-radicalization. I'm so sorry for you 😞
Dang , that's a sad story, hope you find some happiness somewhere.
I can't imagine the pain that millions of others such as yourself go through when breaking away from bigoted parents and grandparents.
Good luck out there from Germany 🫶🫶 your commitment to empathy is really, really good
@@TheAmericanAmericanIt’s weird, eh? I work with this guy…super rightwing, major trump supporter, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, anti-environment, the whole nine yards, yet he is staunchly atheist as well. It’s the one thing we have in common.
Yeah, not surprised he moved away from centralia. The hospitals here simply can’t afford much good care anymore, not unless you’re directly in the St. Louis area. it’s not so surprising that someone coming from southern Illinois would be conservative
I remember that place from silent hill
Vaush, you really need to do more analysis of this sort. I think you are a much more effective advocate for change when you soend your time picking apart the way our political opponents actually think and process their thoughts and emotions.
Im gonna be real, this is far more useful and effective information and analysis than whether or not meat should be banned or certain media should be made or not.
Whether or not meat should be banned is an actual policy recommendation. This is Vaush saying "our opponents are dumb and need therapy. Look at this guy. No idea what he's talking about." Pretty sure actual policy\econ discussion is more important than armchair psychology ( I did enjoy this video tho)
@thekingoffailure9967
Understanding the politics of the people voting against you is ESSENTIAL for effective activism.
You can call this "armchair psych", but this kinda analysis is invaluable.
Our base grows by pulling people over. Most people are basically not sentient in regards to politics, it is all vibes based, and he's using this article to illustrate that.
Good luck pulling someone out of their emotions and into logical policy positions f you don't even understand what the emotion is.
@@tally9542 Maybe it's something like "after the tantrum is over, if parents don't spank you then reality will"?
What really gets me is how Sgt. Bonespurs has taken on such an oversimplified military tone. Was he sent to military school?
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 What are you talking about?
“It’s a zero sum game right now.” I doubt that guy knows what that actually means. He just heard someone say it and repeats it because he thinks it sounds smart.
Yes indeedy.
I live in Manchester, NH. Bedford is a suburb of our city. NH is CRAWLING with people like this. They have no actual impetus for making political decisions. They just have no interest in understanding the world around them.
I'm filled with a profound sadness. :( Thinking about how many Teds there are out there.
People found this article funny. I found it harrowing and also filled dme with profound sadness
Getting to the core! Exactly, i was part of the QAnon cult and got out in 2019. Been working on a bunch of material to explain my thought processes how i got there and how i got out. Would love to find a way to share with the community...maybe a bunch of minds can help me piece all this together in a more organized manner
Unironically: Write a book!
@Blackgriffonphoenixg honestly might take that advice, a free book might be able to help either someone who was in it, a family member with someone in it, or just people who want to understand that mindset!
Political illiteracy and stupidity is tearing America apart.
Tbh I would rather be educated about everything and know everything than be poorly educated. In my opinion democracy would work better if people were more educated and know more information.
Hot take.
It would work better if people were educated.
That’s why rightoids don’t want people to be educated. That’s why these anti-Americans don’t want people going to college.
Well of course. That’s why republicans attack the education system
Sounds like Communism!
Johnson says stubborn and arrogant in the same way we say "Being a little silly bean" and I cannot stop substituting first with the latter.
Former Trump guy here, this analysis is exactly right. Especially when it’s what your taught growing up, the expectations for who represents right vs wrong.
Has any Liberal insulted a Trump supporter as much as Vaush did here?
And then Liberals get called "smug".
@@e.h.5680liberals don't tend to insult Trump supporters because they're on the same side at the end of the day. Liberals do get real smug when it comes to leftist though.
@@e.h.5680 Cry more.
@@e.h.5680bro, YES. Libs, especially on Twitter, vehemently hate trump and MAGA. They will insult them just as much as Vaush did here. I've seen it countless times.
@@marcushill7070 If you think that you really need to watch Vaush content with more focus.
Liberals are smug towards Leftists?
Liberals barely recognize the existence of Leftists. What they react to - and insult - are Right wingers and fascists.
A certain liberal called them "basket of deplorables" and called Leftists...nothing.
The thing around the 14-15 minute mark, the fascist drive, was previously described as "an incoherent grab bag of grievances". I forget by who, but I'm also too lazy to google it.
It's one thing to have such an incredibly, soothing voice like this guy has but to be as smart and well spoken is on a whole different level. IMHO.
I am an Australian, and can see the chaos existing in Trump's followers, and the cognitive dissonance that Trump relies upon to keep them as suckers.
This really makes it important for Democrats to advertise his failings along with his broken promises.
Even getting through to 10% of his base will damage him enough to keep him out of the presidency.
His politics of retribution cannot run a country, and his lies must be demonstrated to be lies!
What I've observed, is that Trump gave conservatives like this guy a little taste of right wing authoritarianism, and they realized "Damn, I like this. I want more of this!" They got hooked, and they can't quit Trump. To them, Trump cannot be held accountable and should be allowed to break whatever he wants.
People love fascism because it lets them to coast on a wave of pure vibes and emotional highs.
As a local I want to point out that The Copper Door is not a dive but instead a relatively pricey place. I think we’ve throughly debunked the 2016 narrative that Maga folks are all underserved folks (and I think other aspects Vaush pointed out corroborate this guy’s decent circumstances.) Still, for color… also I wonder if that’s why the writer included the detail.
18:43 Notice how the guy previously said how he considers Jan 6th to have been patriotic? But now he says it's staged.
rutherford b hayes is the greatest criminal in human history for ending reconstruction early holy shit.
Why psychology is more important than politics.
Psychology is just interpersonal politics
@@xXRickTrolledXx it's bigger than that. Just understanding the principles of self-deception and projection would do wonders for this country.
@@MusicMissionary Extremely fucking true
@@MusicMissionaryOr be used as a tool to make betters tools for it...
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Heh I wouldn't doubt. They're doing a pretty good job getting us to do both as it is.
I attended a conservative political club in college. Asked the club pres what the policies were of the candidate she endorsed. She didn’t have the slightest clue, and when I suggested we look it up, she wasn’t very curious
What cranks think moderates are: centrists carefully considering points
What they actually are: "he made my tummy hurt. Politics are when my tummy feel good." (Pressed for explanation, they don't know what those words are, and now hate you for making them look stupid.)
Im 56 and I live in an area of Michigan with a lot of guys like this .
I am the polar opposite of tbese people .
I got out of the area , was in the Army for a decade , settled in the DC area for quite a while . Because of my fathers illness I had to move back to the area I grew up in because my mother needed help with my father .
My father passed in 2020 from COVID .
When my mother decided to move out of the huge farmhouse i grew up in to a assisted living facility I purchased the house .
Im fixing it up .
I stick out like a sore thumb in this area .
My poliitical beliefs are far left , and there are very few in the area who think like me .
When i talk to them and tell them what they're getting told by Fox News , Ben Shapiro , Marjorie Taylor Greene, and others who spread propaganda is misinformation they refuse to listen .
They won't go to the websites outside of their echo chamber .
They also refuse to read books that show other beliefs .
It's sad .
They can't imagine that the way they believe is wrong and backwards .
It's sad .
My sympathies. I hope you can stay strong and not let the misery consume you, despite your surroundings. You can be the sole voice of reason in that community, and someday, you might help somebody else climb out of that metaphorical swamp. You being there is infinitely better than not a single person like you being there.
"My poliitical beliefs are far left" - are they though? Or are they center and only seem far left because over the last 30 years Republicans have driven so hard into fascism that the center now seems left?
Imagine the person who votes Trump for president.
Got it? OK, now imagine the person who votes Trump for president A SECOND TIME.
Humanity is doomed.
we don't need to imagine... there's literally tens of millions of them managing to simultaneously exist and breathe at this very moment.
The worse thing is the person who didn't vote for trump the first time and then voted for him the second time around. It's like they saw what happened and said "I wasn't sold on him before but damn now i gotta".
This is good analysis of the conservative mindset. My mom is a staunchly pro-trump Republican. Her life has been rough. She has had a rough childhood, she certainly has _some_ undiagnosed mental condition, and she has been depressed, homeless, and more. From what I can tell, she used to be perfectly capable of complex, intelligent thought at some point in her life, but her capacity for it was utterly eviscerated by conservative brain rot. It's pretty sad, but I still try to show her all of the love that I can. Simply being a loving son and a living counterexample to everything that conservative pundits tell her about the left does a lot to ground her in reality. She may be insane, but she genuinely is a wonderful human aside from that. I loathe the Republican party and what it has done to her and others like her. Conservatism is a mental illness.
I disagree with the idea that they have no consistent world view. If you polled them on the migrant issue during any year or decade, you will find that they are against them consistently. Their views are not random.
"You break the law, you break the law." This guy doesn't know the law. To him, the law isn't just some policies passed by Congress and codified in books, but also what he thinks the social hierarchy ought to be. It doesn't matter if migrants didn't break the law on the books. To a person like this, the existence of the migrants is illegal whether or not it's an actual law.
Yeah, these people never understand nuances of people applying for work visa, others applying for asylum, working as undocumented etc are all different things and tackled in different ways.
It's IOKIYAR and always been IOKIYAR. He says Hunter Biden needs to be held "accountable" and people crossing the border should be held "accountable" things that I think even most Biden supporters would agree with. But should Trump be held "accountable"? No, that's "going after the guy".
EXACTLY. That's the crux of it. They don't care about the law, not really, they just think certain people deserve to be punished and the law is a way to enforce that.
@@TheMahayanist What's that saying?
"The right believes that there are people for whom the law protects but does not bind and others for whom the law binds but doesn't protect"?
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- They move in herds. They _do_ move in herds - Dr. Alan Grant
this was just a description of my day at work today speaking to sad people that live in the more rural suburbs
This reminds me of something I saw with James O Brien, a caller said that he knows that Trump is a liar and corrupt, but loves how he makes the libs mad. And that's all he needs to do.
This is my dad. (Sure roughly 80000 people have commented the same.)
Completely muddled. Can't keep on task, actively avoids unwelcome information, blind to his own incoherence, deflects and forgets.
A **lot** of people are like this.
Literally
It's like talking to the deserter in Disco Elysium, literal brain damage.