Why Secularism?
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- Опубліковано 15 лют 2018
- Before Europe became secular, it went through 178 years of destructive religious wars. From 1522 to 1700 the reformation and counter-reformation caused 17 million deaths in war, famine, disease, and massacres. The pinnacle was reached in 1618-1648 called the Thirty Year War that alone caused the death of 8 million people. Finally, from mutual exhaustion, the Treaty of Westphalia was signed in 1648. Slowly these wars came to a close by 1700. The Treaty settled on the doctrine of non-interference in each other's states and accepted religious pluralism. It was only then that the Age of Enlightenment began and Europe achieved 200 years of peace and enormous prosperity (which they sadly used to conquer the rest of the world but that's another story). Those who argue for secularism in Pakistan hope that we don't have to go through 178 years of war to realise that discrimination by the state on the basis of religion cannot bring peace or prosperity in Pakistan.
A Bangladeshi here. After all this time, I want nothing but to see Pakistan progress. Please encourage people to move towards secularism. I see many people of Bengal still loves you. Pray for us too.
Wrong secular nations mean what people worship people
We hope that Bangladeshi people can kick their dictatorship out and make their country a true democracy.
@@tariqmaqsoodvideos Secularism is nothing like that. Perhaps you got a surface level knowledge of secularism.
No Muslim can be secular
A secular Muslim is someone, who believes that Allah SWT was sufficient enough to create the universe and create highly sophisticated mathematical & physical laws
that governs planets in orbit but wasn't sufficient enough to create laws that governs the Human society.
A clear Warning to Seculars from Allah SWT in Quran 2:09 - 2:12
[ There are some who say: “We believe in Allah,” while in fact they do not believe. They are trying to deceive Allah and Muslims. There is sickness in their hearts and Allah will make them suffer a painful punishment.
And when they are told, "Do not spread corruption on earth," they answer, "We are only improving things!" Indeed, it is they who are the corruptors. ]
Allah SWT's advice to Muslims on Surah Al Baqarah 2:211
|| O Muslims ! Enter into Islam wholeheartedly and don't follow Satan's footsteps. ||
What Liberals don't understand is the basic fact that Islam is not limited to one's personal relation with God (like Hinduism/Christianity), but also has a political dimension and is a complete code of life.
Whoever believes that there is a guidance (Huda) more perfect than that of the Prophet of Islam (as spelled out in hadith and Quran), or that someone else's rule is better than the Prophet is a Kafir. We have our Hudud Laws from Allah SWT, and to apply Hudud laws we shall require Islamic state (Not secular State). In a secular state, it will not be allowed to take Jayiza fron non-Muslims.
As Mawlana Mawdudi rightly said, that the goal of secularists was not to ameliorate tensions and divisions in multi-religious societies, but to avoid the 'restraints of morality and divine guidance' and thus eliminate all morality, ethics, or human decency from the controlling mechanisms of society.
Lastly, I will end with another Aayat of Noble Quran 33:36
[ It is not open for a Muslim, once Allah and His messenger have decided a thing, to have any other choice in that matter ]
Sometimes one example is enough to convey the whole idea .Very well done.
He mistreated his his examples ww1, ww2 why be forgotten?
Are they are fight between Islamic states
But there is a bit of query . Do secularists of pakistan believe that Islam asks for discrimination based on religion in its state affairs and If the teachings of islam are not that of discrimination then why not make it state religion and end the extremist ideologies as a solution
Great Efforts.....thanks to Almighty Allah kay ap jese achy balky bht achy log hen jo free of cost educate kr rhe hen... Sir i am your big fan
Your voice is so sweet sir. Thank for the info. I came here few days ago after Jordan Vs Zizek debate. I saw your critique of Capatilism and Jordan's pro capatalist stance.
Ap ki videos dekh kay bht kch sekhne ko milta h...Thank you
Great teacher
I am student and I amwonderfully such a good think also lie in Pakistan , so happy by u
Just one question here.
Who was Thomas Jefferson? And how did he compiled the laws for world power?
Plx answer.
fruitful knowledge....thank...
Enormous information just in 10 minutes. Brilliant!
Sir, Come on, what do we have to do with pagan Europe? Their secular standards tend to change with every generation, with every passing moment.! Are you telling us here how Islam can be replaced with something which has'nt been established? should we undergo secular experience. Why don't you give example of Indian secularism?
It appears to me that you haven't gone through Quan Sunnah and the Golden Islamic history !
It is due to secular states acts that world has become place with full of chaos.... is'nt it? is USA secular / liberal state? is UK or Europe is secular today? It is not because it has ruined the global peace by intervening into others mess in order to push their objectives / interests, not for peace, but purely based on accumulating and looting resources and wealth of nations by seeking upper hand / control. Europe, today by anydefination of secularism is not secular!
7:57 sir sir sir, wait,,, hold on!
It is not about the matter of minority rights, but it is the majority of majority rights! Isn't it the standard of same secularism according to which majority frames the rule?
People like you, who have nothing to do with Pakistan are thus considered traitors!
This is the difference. If It was a mullah preaching/explaining why Pakistan should refrain from secularism then it would be at least an hour long video. An hour of shouting, criticising other cultures, unnecessarily questioning peoples imaan and what not whereas an intelligent secular-minded pakistani gives so much information within ten minutes, even that in a dignified tone.
Pakistan, the choice is yours. Do you want to see more of mullah tamasha or do you want some progress in the country now. If you want progress we need to adapt secularism and liberism we also need to understand that what happens in other countries (for instance the situation of Muslims in India) is neither none of our business nor our concern. We should not waste energy on useless arguments instead debate on progressive matters like education, health are, employment, business, technology etc, which you will never hear mullahs talk about
Again. Pakistan the choice is yours
@@Civil.servant.PK92 you said why an example of india's secularism wasn't given. Yeah and India has far better international image and economy and literacy rate then Pakistan ever since zia's regime in Pakistan. Before that Pakistan was doing just as well as India and the tourism industry was at its peak. Now the bigotry industry rules. How disappointing.
@dan flunk absolutely
@@Civil.servant.PK92 but many innocent people are getting killed on the name of religion
Dr Taimur we find you spoke about the agreement about non-interference in state affairs between Catholic and Protestant countries but you did not explain where and how within these states, religion got de-coupled from politics!!!
Hope you could record a follow up lecture to elaborate on this point. Thanks!
Moby Inayet excellent question
We need such people in Pakistan ....such personalities should be provided platform to spread knowledge in urdu...
Wrong
Sir, I’m from India and fond of your videos. May Allah bless you and Pakistan.
Great video
sir the great .
Sir I am also political science and pak studies lecturer... But inspired much by your knowledge
Salam Mam!
My thieses topic about secularism and I have to need guidance of different teachers. Can you help me?
in which institues?
How can we expect our kids to be upon the deen when their own lecturers are secular
sir i request you make a vlog on enlightenment
Sir you are so great. Please keep enlightening us.
Assalamualaikum Sir!
Which book u recommend for a person who has little bit know how to philosophy and now wanna explore further. How should one start, which philosopher to read first or which book he should read that introduce him to philosophy?
Search "History of Philosophy Urdu by Taimur ur Rehman"
Read " the divine reality"
And " hujatullah al baligha"
And "the incoherence of the philosophers"
And "the coherence of the incoherence"
All of these books are available on the internet freely available in pdf format in English
As for the book "the coherence of the incoherence" is concerned then I have not found it's pdf but it is translated into English and you can buy or order it yourself
In your view whats the role of the conquest of Constantinople ,by the ottomans, in this enlightening
As v see it began after the fall of Byzantine
Great sir
Appreciate for a brilliant talk needed badly here. Samaaj is listening you. Let,s continue
bangladesh is secular in constitution as well as in mentality, but on the other hand more practicing in islam than pakistani.
pakistan is in stranglehold powerful political groups that identifies itself as islamic and uses religion for power.
What is written in the Constitution has zero effect on the mindset of the people. Look at India. Most people in Bangladesh is non-communal. But most of them do not understand secularism either. Secularism is godlessness in public life and state affairs. Secularism is kufur. It is an alien concept imported from abroad.
@@greengalaxy8873 Kya Kay rahay ho bilkul baqwaas ki tum nay
@@o_0264 , I am not doing any baqwaas. Secularism has no single monolithic meaning. Not even in the West. The problem with the people of the sub-continent is that they pompously think they know something even when they don't have deep understanding of anything.
Root of the word secularism comes from Christianity where secular means "worldly" as opposed to "godly" or anything related to Church. Such a dichotomy does not exist in Islam (See Quran verse 6:62 Surah al-Anaam). God will call you to account for all your actions in the hereafter, even the actions you have taken as a public official. Islam is holistic and such a dichotomy or any similar idea is kufur. However, by this I am by no means advocating for a Shariah state at all, against which I have other objections.
During the barbarian French revolution this Christian idea of secularism has been taken to a height by banishing God and Church from the public life altogether. The Church, as an institution, had been doing things which were supposed to do be done by govt. e.g., taxing people and running educational schools. The French Revolution has thrown out baby (God) along with the bath water (Church). The American Constitution intelligently mentions the separation of the Church and the state. But their President takes oath by placing hand on the Bible and on their currency is written "In God We Trust". Secularism is not mentioned in American Constitution.
The foolish low IQ politicians of the sub-continent and many uninitiated people like you equate secularism with non-communalism. There lies the problem.
@@greengalaxy8873 What are you getting at? Even if American constitution refers god and uses Bible in court that doesn't mean they're religious most Christians are atheists
@@greengalaxy8873 Ok? Even if you say that secularism is Kufur, Quran recommends this Kufur in Surah Al-Kafiroon. ولا انا عابد ما عبدتم ۔ ولا انتم عابد ما اعبد ۔ لکم دینکم ولی دین ۔
4, 5, 6
(Addressing to Kuffaar) "And I'm not the worshipper of what you (plural) worship. And you (plural) are not the worshippers of what I worship. FOR YOU (plural) IS YOUR RELIGION AND FOR ME, MY RELIGION".
This is not the end of the point. If according to you, secularism is an alien concept borrowed from the. West, then Islam is also an alien concept borrowed from Arabia.
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Sir, I respect your point of view but may we apply this idea to Pakistan? doesnot it become irrelevant to pakistan as we doesnot have that percentage of minorities 4% and our religion has given qiute alot rights to minorities the problem faced by minorities Pakistan population is same as the problem faced by have-nots(more than 70%) population of Pakistan and that is not implementation of law and injustice?
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Hamaray ulama apnay hi, mutaalaq kehtay hain yani ulama Kay mutaalaq keh... Ittafaqo alla yattafaqo. Yani I ka sirf is par ittifaq hay keh yay tabqa aapas main kisi maaamilay main ittifaq nahin karaingay. Ap Kay Kay lecture nay tarikkh ki roshni main sahi sahi waxahat kardi. Jazakallah.
Asslamalekum.. Taimur sir am from India... philosophy series se zabardast knowledge milta hai us ke 2nd episode me ap ne Kaha tha ke un lectures ke Assignments bhi hai ...agr hai to unhe kaise PDF format me Hasil Kiya jaskta hai..... Thanks
7:19 plz..tell me what is 9 Abadiyaat. Ye mene khi aur bhi suna hai
Great sir, love from sindh
Sir I think Hadith of holy prophet S A W give a complete light on ruling system how to govern the country and people.
The same hadith also says to rape women in War
@@ilovenutella_393 stupid idiot ...you don't know what the hell you are talking about
@@shahsaud2625 Islam jhota hay
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What a great of showing him/her
@@o_0264 begairat ae tu
Whole agrument you presented was good talk of history but still didn't helped you narative of secularism the time you've mentioned still was under Christianity. I mean Catholics and protestants are 2 sects of one religion. If we go according to your example Pakistan should be a islamic state in which Shia and Sunnis can talk and let me mentioned one more thing that biggest problem for peoples like you is blasphemy law in Pakistan isn't it. So my point is that Europe had blasphemy law post 1700s as well correct me if I'm wrong. Where is secularism mate?
Thanks.
Thanks a lot, Sir.
You are saying that God should state, religion should be nations.
WW1 and WW2 was fight in what nations?
I didn't understand anything as I don't speak Urdu, but I can sense the reason he is discussing, I think he was talking about the mideival Europe and deriving from the that the importance of secularism, but I think he should speak about Islamic history and why the declination happened, and derive from that why secularism is a must.
Anyway greetings, you sound like a reasonable calm man.
Thanks a lot for this. ♥️ you.
Sir can I ask you which books you prefer to conclude this...thank you sir..great effort..
Political thoughts
Awesome
Are you facebook sir
To day when everyone has his own ideas about history and our ruling leaders trying to mis inter prate our society and history to flourish their dogma in such aatmosphers you address is inspirating to form anw liberal secular society this word is teboo in our modern india every one advocating hindu rashtra thank you
Napoleonic wars occurred in late 18th and early 19th century which were devastating. It's also called world War 0 by some historians. Anyway it wasn't based on religion but ideological differences so peace really wasn't established but the reason for fighting changed. In the end I'm not against secularism but I advocate for it but we truly don't know its ramifications. Just like Napoleonic wars in which France was secular and everyone who fought them had a different idea shows that's that ideas will always and people will kill each other for them. So is secularism truly a solution. I believe no but I think it's better than a religiously biased govt.
Ww1, and ww2 was explained everything
@@TariqMaqsood-vu7ul Respectfully, Secularism has not so much to do with both of these wars as you seem to think. WW1 and WW2 were a result of Imperialism and hard nationalism. All of the countries involved considered it beneficial to win the war. Eventually, they got tired and signed peace treaties and finally started anew with many allegiances including the UN, and EU. They are progressing, and people criticizing them are not.
Suppose Pakistan becomes a secular state how will you tolerate the different religious jamaats. Will the state allow them to preach religion freely ?
Will the state interfere in religious matters of them ?
What will be laws of the state based on ?
Will zakat be implemented and interest be dismissed ?
Full freedom to all religions and jamaats to practice religion. Laws can and will be made by building democratic consensus around a scientific study of society with the aim of bring growth with welfare for the people.
If you provide full freedom to religion then there will always be people who would oppose secularism and there will always be conflicts between the state and those religious jamaats.
Say for example Turkey. Its people are muslims ( though not all of them practising but that is true in Pakistan too ) but the state is secular and there is a ministry of religious affairs now what is happening there that when the state people were not religious or religious ( with only believing in islam and not practising ) then there were jamaats and people who could not practise their religions I mean they could pray namaz and perform other obligatory things but they were not allowed to preach or read certain types of religious books even not allowing Quran in those people's houses.
On the other hand if the state people are religious like right now Erdoğan then I hope you know what is happening between the secular and Erdoğan's people.
So my thesis is that in a secular state religion can stay in mosques and only with minority that is also with the constraints that the state cant allow them to preach and practise openly otherwise there will be this conflict specially in countries like Pakistan where most of them are religious.
Q. How do you avoid these potential conflicts if you bring secularism in a country like Pakistan where most of them are religious ?
Waqqas Shah they have freedom to practice religion. Not freedom to use religion to oppose socialism.
Yeah that is the point then when you talk about secularism you have to first take away the religion, divine moral and social values and then sit and make yor own values which you can never be sure if they are useful for the soceity or not, especially for a religious soceity like Pakistan.
You know better than me that secularism is not just separating religion from the state it is taking aways " other worldly " things altogether which I think is impossible in a soceity like Pakistan where 95 - 98 percent believe in God and other world.
Waqqas Shah what percentage were believers when secular governments were established in Europe?
Totally wrong ww1,and ww2 fight or not?
Are they are secular or not?
I also teacher from India... best great thought
I think swarna Bharat party is a good liberal political party of india. Far better than BJP. BJP is full of goons
@@rayhanahmad4988 Liberalism is the last resort of a coward.
@@rayhanahmad4988 bjp against jihad in India
Always appreciate your lectures. But it can be argued that secularism led to even more bloodshed. The Seven years war, The Napoleonic Wars, the wars in colonies like Britain against France in North America and of course the two World Wars ( highest human casualties ever).
Good ji
Nice Video. Time has come where we need that change too
komal hssan what kind of change u think we need mean secularism ??? europe did sign treaty of secularism and then euope waged horrible wars... ww1 ww2 ... what were those factors which led europe towards destruction that supermacism... rascism ..... so religion is not issue but not practicing religion islam properly is dilemma
@dan flunk brother i did talk about practicing islam properly... Not imposing islam ... Practicing properly is personal matter... So in iran and i think u talked about Afghanistan they are imposing i think .... Beauty of islam is in adopting it like ur beloved way of life and Allah gives this to the blessed one...
Are you even a muslim shame on you thinking lke that you want secularism get out of Pakistan
And sir point to ponder that according to treaty of Westphalia no state is allowed to interfere in the matter of the other state
Jb 17th century me pura Europe uthta h or dunia k mukhtalif ilaqon ko colonise krta h loot mar krta h or un qoumon.ko gulaam bna kr ab freedom ka secularism ka champion bna phirta h
Assalamualaykum beautiful explanation. May Allah guide us all Ameen.
Excellent
Your analysis is totally wrong dear why you are not talking about Hitler magelini are they secular or not or what blood what blood shirt is done with in the two world wars are among between the secular nations are not?
What about Ottoman empire? was it Secular too?
No
Irrelevant question.
OK.. But.. What about Islamic golden age.. When the state was completely religious and it was Prosperous and Advanced in Science.... Your correlation is not correct
That's what quaid e Azam needs, "Riyasat ka koi mazab nhi hota, mazhab ko Siyasat mein mat ghasitein"
And the separate Pakistan for religion how can you say this
always lub u
This mean religion is Real Obstacle between progression?
War of the Roses!
Interesting
I agree with you sir
Actually, the roman catholic church interfering in other countries' matters. But here the issue is different, a majority Muslim country Pakistan has a right to develop its own Islamic values, culture, political system, educational system, and economical system.
Yes we have a right to develop a theocratic system. But that cannot be equated with the argument that a theocratic system is right for us.
So I guess in your opinion, a secular system is best for Pakistan, even though it would mean the suppression/oppression of Islam in a majority Muslim country. We don't need your secularism, thank you very much.
You mentioned the religious violence that goes on in Pakistan, but you conveniently forgot what to mention that Pakistan is predominantly a secular state, it has been ruled by secular minded people like yourself sent It's Beginning for the most part. So clearly secularism does not solve the problem of religious violence within the country.
@@gazirehman9421 What are you talking about? how would bringing secularism “suppress” muslims. Can you even give a logical example or argument?
State is an inanimate thing. State can not belong to a religion. You can not expect to live in love and peace when every single person belonging to the country is not given equality and justice, no matter even if they’re part of a minority group.
@@destruction0101
Assalaamu alaykum
A simple example would be the fact that, in a secular state, the Muslims would not be able to implement the Laws of the Qur'an and Sunnah. The Sharia of Islam is obviously a part of Islam, therefore, a secular state would suppress Islam by suppressing its Laws.
@@destruction0101
You talked about having a Secular state to ensure the equality of its citizens. I'm sorry, but this is nothing but Western secularist propaganda, which you have unfortunately accepted without questioning.
Let's do a thought experiment, shall we:
In a Secular state, would it be possible for a "religious" Head of State to pass laws based upon his religious values? The answer is NO.
In a Secular state, would it be possible for a "secular liberal" Head of State to pass laws based upon his secular values? The answer is YES.
Conclusion: A secular-liberal has more rights than a religious person in a Secular state. Therefore it can be argued that religious people are second class citizens in Secular States. That's not equality. In fact, the harsh reality is that equality is not possible under any system, whether religious or secular.
Why there were two great wars in Europe after ousting religion from politics? These two wars killed more people than any religious war. Say something about it
Greed for other's territory.
So stop lusting after territory that others control.
If we look back in history before the 14th century, we will see that the Catholic Church occupied most of the land in Europe. Roman Catholic Church was the strongest and influential organization of the medieval period in Europe. So powerful that if any king says anything against the Church, the Church will decree some rule, and the people would be turned against their king and overthrow their king. However, in 16th-century, people got fed up with the Church and decided to Revolt against the Church in a protest led by Martin Luther King. (the people who protested against the Church were later known as protestant).
On one side, there was reformation, and on the other side there was counter-reformation. In the 1522 century, the war between the Church and the protestant started, and that war lasted for 178 years. They fought in the whole of Europe, Central, western, northern Europe. In fact, a period came known as 30 years war, during this period the protestant and the Church fought for about 30 years from 1618 to 1648. It is said that it was the longest-running and the most exhausting war in Europe's history at that time. Many people lost their lives, there was a lot of bloodsheds, and almost around 8 million people died. After this continues fighting and exhaustion, many European countries came together. They said, let's sign an agreement, Many people at that time were with the Catholic Church like the Habsburg empire and Spain, and on the other hand, many people were with protestant Sweden Denmark Holy Roman Empire and France. France itself was Catholic but joint protestant because it hand grudges against Spain. At the end of 1648, they signed an agreement call Treaty of Westphalia. In the Treaty of Westphalia, two things were decided.
1.No Religious wars:
They won't fight with each other in the future because of religious reasons.
2.State affairs:
They decided that they won't interfere in each other state affairs.
Treaty of Westphalia happened in 1648, but even after that, the war and the fighting lasted for many years up to 1700 century. Finally, in the 1700 century, people accepted that they wouldn't fight with each other for religious reasons and interfere in other states affairs; thus, came the age of "Enlightenment." According to historians, the age of enlightenment started in 1715 and ended in 1785. Many great philosophers like denis Diderot, Emanual cat, Rousseau, Adam Smith, Voltaire came forward who made Europe what it is today.
Conclusion:
The religious war that lasted in Europe for around 178 years. Provided nothing but bloodshed, misery, and loss of economic progress in Europe. But when they decided that they won't fight each other for religious causes and that they won't interfere in each other state affairs, only then Europe started to make actual progress. And after this, no other big war occurred in Europe before world war. This 200 year period Free of War in Europe resulted in great progress in social Sciences, science, literature, arts, etc. Their capitalist system expanded, and they conquered many other nations in the Middle East, North Africa, which started the period of colonialism.
On these basis secularist people, argue that, if we can tolerate each other and state on the basis of religion won't treat people differently, and that if the state doesn't have its own religion, then the people of different race and religion can live and establish peace among themselves and this type of peace we need. We need peace of 200 years to make progress in Science, literature, Arts, Social science, Humanities, etc.,
What you have put is great. what Dr said in the video, you have just translated the entire lecture from Urdu to English, and that amazing. Sending you love and blessing on your way.
@@muhammadhuzefa8264 thank you so much!!
You're right Pakistan ko secular hona chahiyay
Than there was no need for partition of india.
Opinion: bringing secular system or shria law will not solve problem
reason: the disagreements between seculars and religious ones is not big but fight between different nations sriki, sindhi balochi, punjabi is bigger concern.
Do we have to think of this as an either or problem. Either we solve the national question, or we solve the question of secularism? What stops us from solving both?
@@Taimur_Laal Yeah good point, but I think we must focus on national problem first 😉
Wow Professor..beginning of the video I thought you were going to speak against secularism....and I wondered why such a cultured looking soft spoken person would be against a modern idea ....how wrong I was....you are right and good. Stay this way always...
What made you think he was going to speak against secularism
I support secularism
Very good lecture 💕
What we have to do with christianity and their past.
There past and present is different and ours is different
Sir why do make videos in urdu. Please try to make videos in English
I'm doing a whole series in English. Here ua-cam.com/play/PLOV7ykEqGK1alpFlVXpMZd2L6YS2p3c8B.html
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We believe in our Islam ideology
Wrong example.
Christianity hv no its role model in economics
But islam gives whole socio economic system.
If we apply islaimic system socioeconomic equality will be seen .,as it was at the time of Umer bin Abdul Aziz. When not a single poor was in whole country.
And the state of Madina is6 also example.
Islamic system of choosing a leader is better then modern so called democracy.
Islamic economic system is better then soodi banks system.
Islam is the complete code of life.
zia, history shows that laws evolve with changing times. Consequently, laws from 1400 years ago cant be implemented in current times because they didnt change to meet the needs of the changing times
Hahahaha hahaha Islam best for only Muslim not whole humanity
really great sir
sir ap k bat s disagree karta hoon yahan Christianity or islam bnyadi farq popism hai . so islam hi risat hai or riast hi islam hai
Urdu is so beautiful language that I want to learn it.
Really u wanna learn ?
@@msohaibasghar1351 yes but i can't give more than half an hour per day. Hindi and urdu are almost same so it won't take too much time
PRASHANT JOHN so we can exchange it i will teach tou urdu and you will teach me hindi
@@msohaibasghar1351 thanks brother but I will learn through youtube channel's. Urdu is the best language for shayaris. And I like song's of altaf raja too much.
Bai Jan ye btao secularism Islam mn Kahan hy...
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Sir islam pop wala koi concept nahi he.ye jo mulla he ye apke secularism k saported sufism (mystism ) ki ijad he Quran me mulla ka koi concept nahi .dosri bth aap pop aur chirch gussa Quran par Q utar rhe hu???? Jo pop ne kiya uska Quran se kiya taluq?????ap ye sabith kro k Quran me jo principles he wo insanit k khilaf he.aur Quranic principles ki wjah se duniya andhere me jaygi.
لکم دینکم ولی دین is secular۔ الدین عند اللہ الاسلام is extremism۔ Quran has contradictory ideology.
Sir...Why you did not say...Islam our religion is best than all religions. Why are you saying we should forgot our religion and we should say all other religions are right. They are right according to their believes. But Islam is our light towards life and it's different aspects. Quran Majeed is source of life to our lives. Everything has it's limits.
Aoa Sir!
I think there should have been some better substantial evidence supporting your stance. In Pakistan, we don’t have much conflict regarding “mazhab” among our people. 90+ percent being Muslims only.
Bro, day after day people are killing each other in the name of religion and you're saying that we don't have that much conflict. Just freakin read a newspaper and you'll know. Pity!
@@cupidworldd exactly many innocent ones are getting killed
There's a persistent interfaith clash in Pakistan almost since it got separated from India.
But the bigger concern is the conflict between RELIGION and GOVERNANCE.
What is "Golden Age Of Islam" is about? What was the rolling method at that time? No rolling method will work if you misunderstood, abuse or use according to desire it. It is not method but tough time that shape a nation or when they open to understand each others values.
It is my opinion and everyone has the right to agree or disagree.
How can this guy forget the freemasons? Never was there a time where outsiders were not interfering in the internal matters of a country. After the secular movements people didn't stop corruption they only got creative in their strategies
Secularizm k bagair moder state hohi nehi sakta.Freedom of speach nehi lekin Secullarizm vo do number ka secularizm hai. India, Pakistan aur Bangladesh ka iss kissim ka Secularism hua.
Nicely explained.
Sir proud of you!
Sir.. Apko dekh le achha laga ki Pakistan me bhi kuchh budhimann log h
Secularism proved an Ideal model for European States because the Industrial Revolution had already established a dictum.
The dictum included Nuclear families,Individualism(Cause of Shatterd social institutions,I mean just look at Insurance,Social Security,Food Security that popped up after large family structures were diminishing at dawn of Industrialization) etc etc
I think it is very foolhardy of an Academic to break up blocks of a chain and present a single block as having the same weight of all the blocks.
Secularism,Post Colonialism,Industrialization,Technology Revolution in last 50 Years,Liberal Individualism are the complete chain that demonstrates Why Specifically Europe(and Americas too) marched to where they stand Now.
Seesh
kashaan mahmood industrial revolution began in the 18th century.
Taimur Rahman You got me pinned there on that,No counter to it :)
Sir I would humbly ask Is Secularism in itself a System or is it just an outlook on Political,Social,Economic matters.I ask this because I got this gut-feeling that this is just another parrot debate,otherwise.
kashaan mahmood it is not an economic system. Only a political policy to separate church and state.
Taimur Rahman But We have a federal Shariat court,Islamic council of ideology and pardon me if I forget other such Religious Government Institutons that are like Churches.
Are you saying that these Institutions should be marginalized completely and we only should have SupremeCourt,High Courts,Parliment,Senate and then we will be aSecular State that is well on its way to Prosperity?
He’s a drop kick. Europe conquered the world through military revolution and brute force rather than any human advancement. Jis ke ladhi us benhs, that what he’s saying
I m Paksitani Christian and I don’t feel like accepted by Muslim
As country fellow
That is why wanna leave this country
Even as a Muslim ppl don't feel accepted
Tell about atheist rebuplic.
Zara islam pr bhi kuch boliye ? Kiya mazhab afim hai ?
اسلام متنازعہ ہے۔ خموشی بہتر از گفتارِ بد است۔
Bakwas.... Europe me aisa koi decade nahi beeta jab waha khun kharaba na hua ho.... nationalism ka formula ja secularism ke saath blend hua to aur bhi bure halat paida hue....communism ne to aur tabahi machai jisne mazhab ka puri tarah se inkar kiya.....ye sahab adha gyan dekar ek tarfa Nazriya de rahe hain....
Tum jaise ghatiya character ke logo wajah se aaj musalmano ki ye halat hai jo sirfb religion ko bura kahte hain magar world war se lekar cold war tak ke halat per halak se awaaz nahi nikalti
Global dominance ke liye khoon kharab hua...matlab wo ab jayaz chiz ho gai.... janam hi se ghatiya the ki abhi hue.
Islam me jo concept h wo milat ka yani puri umat ko hmahang rakhna
Islami.sarhadon ko phelana by spreading the message before going for jihad (or jihad me bhi aurton elder citizens bachon ka khayal rakhna or even darakht tk na katna bhi h )
Or secularism ki sab se bari baat k deen private matter h no one need to discuss it to jb deen sb ka apna apna h sb k apne apne khayalat hn to Quran o Hadith ki ahmiat k bare me kia kahen ge
Pakistan ke logo ko Turkey ke founder Mustafa kemal Pasha ki ideology follow karna chahiye
hm neazhabi amno amaan hasil krne k liye Pakistan liya tha lkn shart ye thi k wahan Allah ka nizaam qayam ho, hmain na west s kch lena ha or na east se.. hmain Islamic system chahye ha, kon ha wo loag jo kehty hn mazhab or state alag alag ha?? hmare pass Quran or hadees ha, hmary samne khulfaa rashden ki example ha.. ap hmain west ki example na dain...hm janty hn k wo kitna mazhab ko alag rkhty hn.. so hmain ap is tarf na le kr aaye..or maze ki baat ha k ap me itna to ilam hasil kr liya lkn ap core of islam nh smjh sky k Islmic system ha kya... islam chahta kya ha.. yahan aman qaim krne nhi aaye bhae?? kis trf le lr ja rhy ho awam ko..
After listening to your talk I am unable to understand who is stopping you to progress in Science? Are you saying that until a state is athiest there can be no progress! Also the secularism is against the democracy. Imagine 90% belong to a particular ideology but subjected to some other ideology. This is the biggest repression in my view.
islam also give such an approach then why there is a need of a such a term called secularism?
The best example of secularism in Indian subcontinent was the reign of Akbar