Why villanize Sh@ri@h? Ans : Because It's the best system in the world and Libralism can't compete with it. How to villanize Shariah? Ans : Create puppet terrorists and make them claim they are *Islamic* How to make people stay away from Shariah system? Ans : 1. Villanize and show Sh@ri@h is terrible and oppresive and brainwash people with this lies by news media and movies etc. 2. Show that secularism / liberalism is the best system. 3. Blame Islam for the failure of secular and liberal Musl!ms countries. (Even though the system in constitution was secularism instead of sh@ri@h.)
بہت خوب ۔ ماشاءاللہ ۔۔ مزہ آ گیا ۔۔ پاکستان کا مطلب کیا ؟؟ لا الہ الا اللہ ۔ جو لوگ کہتے ہیں ۔۔ اس بارہ میرا موقف اس کے خلاف ہے ۔ ایسا نعرہ یا تشریح پورے تحریک پاکستان میں نہیں ہے ۔
Comments are indicating that people are really interested in questioning the foundations. That's good 👍. Whoever worked on this project, should be given due credit.
My gratitude to you sir for presenting this enlightening and informative documentary to us. I appreciate and acknowledge your effort to put all this together, complete with subtitles and a beautifully done voiceover. Looking forward to more content. God bless.
Pristine. Well researched. Sir Taimur always inspires me with his intellect. Now, with this piece I've learned many new things which were even missed by Wolpert - wonderful.
I must congratulate this meticulously researched film by Umair Khan and Fatimah Javed. Even the voice of Ms. Fatima is so kind and respectful, it brings love and admiration for her. God Bless her. I am from Bangladesh and want peace and prosperity in Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh and they should look upon each other as friends and brothers and sisters of the same mother soil of India. This documentary shows very well that Mr. Jinnah was truly liberal, progressive, and a man of integrity. He was a great leader, Quaid-e- Azam. If Pakistanis followed his ideology, then Pakistan would not have been a hotbed for terrorism and a bankrupt nation as it is now. I hope Pakistanis watch this film and learn humanitarian values. May God Bless the soul of Mr. Jinnah. Amen.
Lmao😂, Pakistan is a secular country with democracy and liberal agenda. Pakistan is living by secualar system. And what did Pakistan get by this? Did they become superpower or something? And to save themselves, Seculars are trying to blame Islam for the failure of secular Pakistan, while Pakistan was never a Islamic state. Jinnah was a Secular Urdu Nationalist r@cist piece of sh!t, who used Islam to gain power and betray muslims of sub-continent.
Sir please make a series on European history.You already done Arab Israel series 👍which partially covers Cold war events but it would be very helpful if pre-Arab-israel conflicts (Napoleonic wars,World wars ) are covered Thanks
oh my God ... I don't know how can I explain my feelings for Jinnah! my Leader.... today I m going to say with tears in my eyes that I seriously not too much liked or admired Quaid e Azzam because of this kind of Pakistan but now I accept there is no any perfect leader like him..." actually I always see this country through the glasses of Secularism now I came to know that this land actually gained by him 4 the purpose of Secular Democratic state... Lots of Respect and Love 4 him.... Quaid e Azzam Zindabaad !✋ and lastly 4 uh Guys... ur work is Excellent keep it up.....
I really Loved this, Sir, may you please recommend certain books that can help me see the Partition and pre partition politics on a much comprehensive scale..
Previously I watched documentaries on Ghandhi and Nehru, which although, were captivating but had always portrayed Jinnah negatively and with contempt. This documentary is really the depiction of greatness of our Quaid, and can be regarded as a great work towards understanding the partition. Amazing,.......I am obliged to your efforts, keep it up. Such an interesting and genuine view of Jinnah's personality which needs to be viewed again and again.
The point is, Jinnah never mentioned the word secular in any of his speeches, and mentioned the state being based on Islamic principles on several occasions. Regardless of what his intentions were, he's ended up creating a semi-theocratic democracy (or so he intended, until generals decided to jump in on statecrafting). And btw, upholding Jinnah as this sort of standard to aspire to is something I find really laughable within Pakistani liberal circles. Given that Kashmiri independence was undermined by Jinnah's invasion of Kashmir, and Balochistan was forcefully occupied by Pakistan. Bacha Khan - the only secular leader who encouraged his people to read and rid themselves off the shackles of blood feuds was deemed a traitor and since then the ANP and secular Pashtuns have been targeted by the Pakistani state. At the end of the day, you cannot deny that Jinnah himself was responsible for the mess we are in. Even Jinnah uttered these words on his death bed when he said, "Pakistan was the greatest mistake of my life". Just ask yourself, how can a state made to safeguard the interests of a religious group and their religion, ever become secular? The very basis of Pakistani nationhood is Islam. Take Islam out of Pakistan and you won't have a Pakistan. Such is not the case for historical regions like Iran, India, Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan etc. So the question of separating religion from state in a country whose entire reason to exist is religion, is pointless. Either you advocate for Pakistan, or like myself, secular nation states based on common language. Pakistan is done. And I say that as someone who is from there.
There are very few critical voices in the country who have the courage to call a spade a spade. Btw I would like to know the source where Jinnah said that Pakistan was his greatest mistake, out of curiosity. Do books published outside Pakistan mention this? They do mention that he was fond of his whiskey and pork and bacon, but in Pakistan these passages have been removed to give Jinnah an Islamic outlook.
While I agree on the fact that Jinnah never mentioned verbally that Pakistan was not associated with the religion, I’d like to disagree with this invasive remark, as well as the Indian doctrinaire that Baloch are apparently going through a national apartheid, because I’m a Baloch, and I, my relatives and my friends are very happy to be Pakistanis if I say so myself. In regards to Pashtuns, this nationalist movement actually sprung up from Afghanistan, not Pakistan. If you take a national poll to see how many Pashtuns would actually like independence and secularism, I can guarantee that the “for” notion would not proceed above 20% at max, for Pashtuns are some of Pro-Pakistani nationalists around. In regards to Kashmir, there wasn’t invasion by either side. The majority of the state wanted to join Pakistan, however, since the Maharaja was a Hindu, he chose independence. At first, it was all okay, until Pakistani dacoits and looters invaded Kashmir, all the while the Maharaja, out of a regard of acquiring security, signed the deal to India. During this period, both India and Pakistan invaded to claim what they believed to rightfully be theirs. Ever since, there’s been a nonstop battle between the two states. Thanks! - M
@@mul-el3657 I think despite how politically charged and heated these conversations are, it's always refreshing to read a well-written and mature reply, so thank you for that. Regarding the Baloch movement for justice as simply Indian doctrine is something I disagree with. While I do think that India has an interest in using Balochistan as their trump card, in case Pakistan talks about human rights violations in Kashmir, I would be careful about framing that as an Indian movement. The recent incidents in Hoshab, and the murders of Baloch human rights activists abroad have further fuelled resentment within Balochistan. This is evidenced by the recent protests in Gwadar, where people are chanting "death to Pakistan" and "long live Balochistan". Maulana Rehman said in one of his speeches that "FC is the biggest cancer in Balochistan". Recently, a video went viral where students at Quetta (I think) University celebrated the victory of Australia over Pakistan in the t20 series. Such resentment has not really existed on such a mass scale, or if it had, we were never exposed to it as much as we are now. Now, I'll be honest and I'll say: I do not know what the scale of this problem is! What I do know, is that there is a media blackout on Balochistan. While these protests were happening, the only news coming out of Balochistan was a kukkar fight in some village. People who have reported or written about Balochistan from the point of view of the Baloch have been either killed or attacked, or sent into exile. This tells me that the Paki establishment is very serious about keeping us in the dark about what's happening. And this makes me suspicious that actually the scale of the problem is probably far larger than any of us can imagine. I have no reason to doubt you are a Baloch, but I know a far larger number of Baloch who disagree with you entirely, and would rather die than call themselves Pakistani. Best, tc.
@@Literally-hw6jv Thank you for your reply. I don’t really have a lot of time for incredibly grammatical messaging, so I’ll simply debunk the claim of the so-called “Baloch Genocide.” See, Pakistan has five provinces: Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh & Balochistan. In terms of our geography, we are located with hostile neighbours who surround our borders (i.e. India, Afghanistan, Pakistani Taliban, the Iranian Regime, ISIS-K) and then there’s Balochistan’s location. An undiscovered amount of petroleum, oil and diamonds reserved in a desert. In Pakistan, there exists a lot of military influence and operational demand in Balochistan due to it’s regional safety issues. These issues are present due to a man known as Mohsin Dawar, the founder of National Democratic Movement, a “sellout” party. In the “open secret” political system of Pakistan, there is a well known fact that this man is the one who has armed and provided TTP militants with arms and weapons. It’s rather comparable to Iraq, really. A nation that’s surrounded with so much hostility that it requires military support and arm at all times to maintain stability. Just to prove Baloch equality, we can, say point out Baloch actors: Feroze Khan, Waqar Baloch, Hafeez Lal or Emaad Irfani. While I agree on the previous atrocities committed by Pakistan such as the Bengal genocide that was carried out by a racist Sindhi (ZAB), this Baloch genocidal propaganda is simply not true. Hope you understand that this is not just my blind love for my country, as I will indeed always stand against what isn’t right. 🙏 😊
@@mul-el3657 No worries. Just to point out that I did not mention "genocide" anywhere. I only mentioned the Pakistan Army's murder and suppression of Baloch civilians. And, you haven't really "debunked" anything, you've just made claims. E.g. "Mohsin Dawar runs a sellout party" and "armed TTP militants". Mohsin Dawar's entire career has come out of criticising the Pakistan Army for supporting the Taliban and TTP. He does not make distinctions between good and bad Taliban like many in Pakistan do. Also, there's a reason why Pakistan's neighbours are hostile. Firstly, I wouldn't class Iran as "hostile". There are border issues, but largely Pakistan and Iran see eye to eye on more than Pakistan's more immediate neighbours. I don't support the Indian state for its actions in Kashmir, but looking at it objectively, Pakistan is the hostile neighbour to India more than vice versa. All Indo-Pak wars were started by Pakistan, and ended more or less in either defeat or status quo ante bellum. Kashmiri independence itself was undermined by Pakistan when Pakistan decided to send tribals across the border, making the Maharaja nervous and ask the Indians to come to his aid. I will concede though that Afghanistan did try to invoke Pashtun nationalist sentiments in Pakistan, and for that it has paid the price. However, Pakistan hasn't really made things easy for itself by choosing to ally with the Taliban. The Taliban are known in Afghanistan as staunch Pashtun nationalists, and have never accepted the Durand Line. So by allying itself with the Taliban, Pakistan has chosen Islamic fundamentalist Pashtun nationalists, over secular Pashtun nationalists. It would have made far more sense strategically to have allied with the government in Kabul from 2001 onwards, which unlike the communist regimes were less Pashtun centric and more "national". So, as unfortunate as Pakistan has been, it hasn't made things any better for itself.
This is the one of the most pristine of works, I have ever seen on Mr. Jinnah. I am from India, and loved this documentary. An amazingly well put together one. Truly, he was the most liberal man, the subcontinent has ever known; will ever know (unfortunately), for years to come. The way I see the first half of 20th century history of the subcontinent, as related to India and Pakistan; the core conflict between INC and Mr. Jinnah, was that of authority and liberty, respectively. The INCans (moderates/centrists) were Hamiltonian nationalists, whereas Mr. Jinnah was a Jeffersonian republican. The history of 20th c British India has some remarkable parallels with the early United States’ history. The making of the US constitution in 1787, the conflicts between federalists (nationalists/strong central government) and antifederalists (democratic-republicans/strong state governments) in the early American republic, are quite similar to that of the subcontinent’s history. Nehru and Patel were Hamiltonians, who prioritized in territoriality and centrality, over democratic process. Jinnah and his close allies, were Jeffersonians, who believed in Jeffersonian principles of wall of separation between church and state, democratization of ownership of property, republican form of governments, concurrent majorities, states’ rights and autonomy (not sovereignty), and so on. Jinnah was a Lockean just like Jefferson. Nehru and Co. were not. They were utilitarians, at best. The direct result of which, is what we see in India, today. Tyranny of some of the populous states states (cow belt) over others through aggressive take over of central legislature (parliament), on the basis of religion and religious fanaticism. The Hamiltonians (Nehru and Co) were the architect of the present day crisis in India. Absolute rule of parliament, parliamentary sovereignty, Supreme Court sovereignty, states’ subordinacy, unitary powers with residual powers vested in a central government- all recipes of despotism and dictatorship. Love live, Mr. Jinnah! A true liberal republican, through and through. A Jeffersonian.
You’ve put it very well. But still Jinnah had failed to create a perfect secular state with godless constitution ironically. In my opinion, it was because he ran out of much options due to abrupt changes in political atmosphere of India from 1940s.
@@nerdy4172 I dont think this was about him failing to do anything. The man was dying and hadn't got much time left. He left it to the people, and the democratic process, to take it from where he was leaving.
Very impressive analysis but it should also be mentioned that the Jinnah you're describing is the Jinnah of pre-pakistan movement. He held the leadership of the Pakistan-movement out of spite after sensing his apparent ideological divide with the Congress and totally gave up on his ideological principles. This is why what became Pakistan was ideologically totally in contrast to the philosophy of Locke and Jefferson. In a way, he ended up creating exactly what he was opposing and even a more radical form of it.
48:37 it's ashame that never happened and its still not happening 😒 51:08 onwards, that is so true 56:03 indeed jinnah's reply to that completely fits in with the condition of today's Pakistan
This is why 1971 was a great feat for my country Bangladesh. My country was born on the basis of language and culture not religion and we became successful in sidelining oppressive Arab religion forever. It will never be able to play the central role in our politics no matter how much the mullahs try. Pakistan is stuck . It can't get out of the oppressive fist of the arabian Culture because it was born on the basis of it.
I appreciate the effort! Very good compilation of history. But i can feel there is alot of misinformation and the narrator was biased at many instances. You have included your personal views while telling historic incidents. History should not be biased.
Taimur sir....Wo ek video bnaye , actually communism liberalism or secularism ko kaise critic karta h nd kyo match nhi karta h kya difference hai or kyo plz historical background kya h isme plz ya koi short reply den den mai bhut confused hoon isme , mujhe ye lagta tha ki liberalism to ho skta hai alag chiz h magar secularism to communism practice ma ek part hai....Plz explain and reply
One of great film I watched about Mr. Jinnah and different history of Pakistan. It helped to conclude that Jinnah was more enlightened, Indian, regionally local and sincere with Muslims not basis of Islam but Pakistani Muslim community.
I really appreciate your efforts. I am also not satisfied with the syllabus of Pak affairs that spreads extremism. Yet one thing that I want to correct is... It's not religion that needs criticism but the religious people. I hope you agree. Even the PM of today's Pakistan also uses the religion card.
Sir I will say only one line for you... آپ کی اس وطن اور دین کے لیے کی گئی خدمت کروڑوں پیشہ ور مولانا کی گزری ہوئی زندگی سے بہتر ہے... یہ ہوتی ہے تبلیغ اور یہ ہوتا ہے کسی قوم اور معاشرے کیلئے کی گئی دن رات کی محنت اللہ تعالیٰ آپ کو مزید علم اور شعور عطا فرمائے اور آپ کو آخرت میں کامیابی عطا فرمائے. آمین
Mr. M.A.Jinnah 🔥 The great leader and Freedom Fighter 💯 Doesn't matter he was religious or secular in believes (religious or anything else)the thing which matters is that he fought for the rights of suppressed nation in Sub-Continent
Hi everyone, I a left wing student from India, looking to talk to Pakistani left wing student groups. Ummeed he ki aapas me seekh sakhenge aur ek doosre ki progressive politics ko behtar samajh sakenge. Does anyone know unions which I should reach out to? Any contact details would help immensly!
Unfortunately our any leader of Pakistan didn't got jail or not got any harsh punishment or any harsh movement against Britishers and still we got the independencce it's is BCz of decolonisation
recently , parag Agarwal become the ceo of twitter, but he is not the first, google,microsoft,adobe,IBM etc have indian CEO , jinnah died after making pakistam , but nehru didn't , all the IIT's and major education institute in india were started by nehru , ISRO was started by nehru , and IIT bombay where parag Agarwal studied was also started by nehru , i don't want to brag about india , but want to highlight that politicians focusing on education and secular values can make a lot of change in coming years. wondering what could be the history of india and pakistan if jinnah didn't die, anyways good to see people in pakistan calling themselves pakistanis rather than Arabian or turkish .
I studied in NU-FAST Isb. I debated and perhaps failed multiple times, in explaining this to my closest friends, it’s quite disappointing how Quaid is misunderstood at such scale. And New found respect Mullahs(sarcasm)
Can you please name the Hindu paties in coalition with league in Bengal? In what way those hindu parties were different from Congress whose secularism was put with a big question mark by Mr Jinnah
Its Hindu Mahasabha, which had a hatred for Muslims from its beginning. When the Bengal election war over congress emerged as the largest part whereas the Muslim league become the second-largest party, however, Hindu Mahasabha also got some seats. But without a coalition non of the parties cannot form a government. Hindu Mahasabha first approached Congress for the coalition but Nehru rejected them because of their radical view but Muslim league does not share Nehru opinion and made an alliance with them even though they know about its hatred for Muslims. After 1947 both Pakistan and Hindu Mahasabha try to hide their past by hiding the details which put with a big question mark about their commintment.
ایف ایس سی میں پڑھنے والی بیٹی کے مطابق " ڈاکڑ تیمور کی جناح کے بارے ویڈیو دیکھ کر جناح کو بہترین انداز میں سمجھنے کا موقع ملا جو اب سے پہلے کبھی نہیں ملا تھا۔" شکریہ محترم
The Great calcutta Killings is being conveniently explained through class-based violence, law and order vacuum because of decolonization etc. A clean chit is also being given to the Muslim league government in bengal. However, Suhrawardy's vitriolic speech, call to Jehad post Friday prayers, calling a public holiday and assuring Muslim goondas that the police would look the other way if they agitate, are responsible for the initial break of violence. Neither is Jinnah's choice of wordings of having a pistol etc that drew on imagery of violence.
Real History of Pakistan and Jinnah Now I can defend my narrative more affectedly
Not at all. Plz read my comment above.
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Why villanize Sh@ri@h?
Ans : Because It's the best system in the world and Libralism can't compete with it.
How to villanize Shariah?
Ans : Create puppet terrorists and make them claim they are *Islamic*
How to make people stay away from Shariah system?
Ans :
1. Villanize and show Sh@ri@h is terrible and oppresive and brainwash people with this lies by news media and movies etc.
2. Show that secularism / liberalism is the best system.
3. Blame Islam for the failure of secular and liberal Musl!ms countries. (Even though the system in constitution was secularism instead of sh@ri@h.)
There is nothing "real" here. It's mostly intellectual masturbation by mixing in facts with fantasies.
بہت خوب ۔ ماشاءاللہ ۔۔
مزہ آ گیا ۔۔
پاکستان کا مطلب کیا ؟؟ لا الہ الا اللہ ۔
جو لوگ کہتے ہیں ۔۔
اس بارہ میرا موقف اس کے خلاف ہے ۔
ایسا نعرہ یا تشریح پورے تحریک پاکستان میں نہیں ہے ۔
Comments are indicating that people are really interested in questioning the foundations. That's good 👍. Whoever worked on this project, should be given due credit.
Thank you.
@@MDUmairKh Good job if you contributed to this
Yeah its his project actually.
@@hashirmaxwell5086 I created it. Written, produced and directed by me. Mr. Rehman shared it for more views. He had decent following
Oh my God this is a whole documentary, great work, comment for the algorithm
Md umair did a great work and thank you sir for sharing on your platform.Every one in Pakistan should know who Jinnah really was!
Excellent documentary, thank you for posting this on your channel!
Absolutely brilliant! Thank you very much for putting this out there. Must watch for everyone who calls himself or herself a Pakistani.
My gratitude to you sir for presenting this enlightening and informative documentary to us. I appreciate and acknowledge your effort to put all this together, complete with subtitles and a beautifully done voiceover. Looking forward to more content. God bless.
Pristine. Well researched. Sir Taimur always inspires me with his intellect. Now, with this piece I've learned many new things which were even missed by Wolpert - wonderful.
I love this Dr. Rahman ! You are such a lovely person. Greetings from China
thank you sir. you open our nation eyes .... i will share my family, friends and fellows
Amazing work, it is far better then a 2 hours movie, stay blessed
I was waiting For New Update from You 😊
Exceptional piece of history, first time learning in a great detail of making of Pakistan. Thank you.
Behold to this channel for such kind of information.
Sir kindly make a video on Bentham philosophy. Your lectures are amazing you clearing such difficult concepts so easily.
The background music on this documentary is amazing.
Thank you for making this video we need more people like you God bless you
I must congratulate this meticulously researched film by Umair Khan and Fatimah Javed. Even the voice of Ms. Fatima is so kind and respectful, it brings love and admiration for her. God Bless her. I am from Bangladesh and want peace and prosperity in Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh and they should look upon each other as friends and brothers and sisters of the same mother soil of India. This documentary shows very well that Mr. Jinnah was truly liberal, progressive, and a man of integrity. He was a great leader, Quaid-e- Azam. If Pakistanis followed his ideology, then Pakistan would not have been a hotbed for terrorism and a bankrupt nation as it is now. I hope Pakistanis watch this film and learn humanitarian values. May God Bless the soul of Mr. Jinnah. Amen.
Lmao😂, Pakistan is a secular country with democracy and liberal agenda. Pakistan is living by secualar system. And what did Pakistan get by this? Did they become superpower or something? And to save themselves, Seculars are trying to blame Islam for the failure of secular Pakistan, while Pakistan was never a Islamic state. Jinnah was a Secular Urdu Nationalist r@cist piece of sh!t, who used Islam to gain power and betray muslims of sub-continent.
More power to you sir❤️
Eagerly waiting for new video
Thank you so much. The most comprehensive history listen
Sir please make a series on European history.You already done Arab Israel series 👍which partially covers Cold war events but it would be very helpful if pre-Arab-israel conflicts (Napoleonic wars,World wars ) are covered
Thanks
oh my God ... I don't know how can I explain my feelings for Jinnah! my Leader....
today I m going to say with tears in my eyes that I seriously not too much liked or admired Quaid e Azzam because of this kind of Pakistan but now I accept there is no any perfect leader like him..."
actually I always see this country through the glasses of Secularism now I came to know that this land actually gained by him 4 the purpose of Secular Democratic state...
Lots of Respect and Love 4 him.... Quaid e Azzam Zindabaad !✋
and lastly 4 uh Guys... ur work is Excellent keep it up.....
I really Loved this, Sir, may you please recommend certain books that can help me see the Partition and pre partition politics on a much comprehensive scale..
Congratulations Sir on 100k, upload a special 💯 k video ❤️❤️
A tragedy of cosmic proportions, almost made me cry. Kaash mera watan Jinnah k ideals ko pehchaan ley
Previously I watched documentaries on Ghandhi and Nehru, which although, were captivating but had always portrayed Jinnah negatively and with contempt. This documentary is really the depiction of greatness of our Quaid, and can be regarded as a great work towards understanding the partition. Amazing,.......I am obliged to your efforts, keep it up. Such an interesting and genuine view of Jinnah's personality which needs to be viewed again and again.
Thanx You are A Good Teacher.
I request you to Please print the total text in a shape of Booklet. Easy to read and as a reference too
The point is, Jinnah never mentioned the word secular in any of his speeches, and mentioned the state being based on Islamic principles on several occasions. Regardless of what his intentions were, he's ended up creating a semi-theocratic democracy (or so he intended, until generals decided to jump in on statecrafting). And btw, upholding Jinnah as this sort of standard to aspire to is something I find really laughable within Pakistani liberal circles. Given that Kashmiri independence was undermined by Jinnah's invasion of Kashmir, and Balochistan was forcefully occupied by Pakistan. Bacha Khan - the only secular leader who encouraged his people to read and rid themselves off the shackles of blood feuds was deemed a traitor and since then the ANP and secular Pashtuns have been targeted by the Pakistani state.
At the end of the day, you cannot deny that Jinnah himself was responsible for the mess we are in. Even Jinnah uttered these words on his death bed when he said, "Pakistan was the greatest mistake of my life".
Just ask yourself, how can a state made to safeguard the interests of a religious group and their religion, ever become secular? The very basis of Pakistani nationhood is Islam. Take Islam out of Pakistan and you won't have a Pakistan. Such is not the case for historical regions like Iran, India, Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan etc. So the question of separating religion from state in a country whose entire reason to exist is religion, is pointless. Either you advocate for Pakistan, or like myself, secular nation states based on common language. Pakistan is done. And I say that as someone who is from there.
There are very few critical voices in the country who have the courage to call a spade a spade.
Btw I would like to know the source where Jinnah said that Pakistan was his greatest mistake, out of curiosity.
Do books published outside Pakistan mention this? They do mention that he was fond of his whiskey and pork and bacon, but in Pakistan these passages have been removed to give Jinnah an Islamic outlook.
While I agree on the fact that Jinnah never mentioned verbally that Pakistan was not associated with the religion, I’d like to disagree with this invasive remark, as well as the Indian doctrinaire that Baloch are apparently going through a national apartheid, because I’m a Baloch, and I, my relatives and my friends are very happy to be Pakistanis if I say so myself. In regards to Pashtuns, this nationalist movement actually sprung up from Afghanistan, not Pakistan. If you take a national poll to see how many Pashtuns would actually like independence and secularism, I can guarantee that the “for” notion would not proceed above 20% at max, for Pashtuns are some of Pro-Pakistani nationalists around. In regards to Kashmir, there wasn’t invasion by either side. The majority of the state wanted to join Pakistan, however, since the Maharaja was a Hindu, he chose independence. At first, it was all okay, until Pakistani dacoits and looters invaded Kashmir, all the while the Maharaja, out of a regard of acquiring security, signed the deal to India. During this period, both India and Pakistan invaded to claim what they believed to rightfully be theirs. Ever since, there’s been a nonstop battle between the two states. Thanks! - M
@@mul-el3657 I think despite how politically charged and heated these conversations are, it's always refreshing to read a well-written and mature reply, so thank you for that.
Regarding the Baloch movement for justice as simply Indian doctrine is something I disagree with. While I do think that India has an interest in using Balochistan as their trump card, in case Pakistan talks about human rights violations in Kashmir, I would be careful about framing that as an Indian movement.
The recent incidents in Hoshab, and the murders of Baloch human rights activists abroad have further fuelled resentment within Balochistan. This is evidenced by the recent protests in Gwadar, where people are chanting "death to Pakistan" and "long live Balochistan". Maulana Rehman said in one of his speeches that "FC is the biggest cancer in Balochistan". Recently, a video went viral where students at Quetta (I think) University celebrated the victory of Australia over Pakistan in the t20 series. Such resentment has not really existed on such a mass scale, or if it had, we were never exposed to it as much as we are now.
Now, I'll be honest and I'll say: I do not know what the scale of this problem is! What I do know, is that there is a media blackout on Balochistan. While these protests were happening, the only news coming out of Balochistan was a kukkar fight in some village. People who have reported or written about Balochistan from the point of view of the Baloch have been either killed or attacked, or sent into exile. This tells me that the Paki establishment is very serious about keeping us in the dark about what's happening. And this makes me suspicious that actually the scale of the problem is probably far larger than any of us can imagine. I have no reason to doubt you are a Baloch, but I know a far larger number of Baloch who disagree with you entirely, and would rather die than call themselves Pakistani.
Best, tc.
@@Literally-hw6jv Thank you for your reply. I don’t really have a lot of time for incredibly grammatical messaging, so I’ll simply debunk the claim of the so-called “Baloch Genocide.” See, Pakistan has five provinces: Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh & Balochistan. In terms of our geography, we are located with hostile neighbours who surround our borders (i.e. India, Afghanistan, Pakistani Taliban, the Iranian Regime, ISIS-K) and then there’s Balochistan’s location. An undiscovered amount of petroleum, oil and diamonds reserved in a desert. In Pakistan, there exists a lot of military influence and operational demand in Balochistan due to it’s regional safety issues. These issues are present due to a man known as Mohsin Dawar, the founder of National Democratic Movement, a “sellout” party. In the “open secret” political system of Pakistan, there is a well known fact that this man is the one who has armed and provided TTP militants with arms and weapons. It’s rather comparable to Iraq, really. A nation that’s surrounded with so much hostility that it requires military support and arm at all times to maintain stability. Just to prove Baloch equality, we can, say point out Baloch actors: Feroze Khan, Waqar Baloch, Hafeez Lal or Emaad Irfani. While I agree on the previous atrocities committed by Pakistan such as the Bengal genocide that was carried out by a racist Sindhi (ZAB), this Baloch genocidal propaganda is simply not true. Hope you understand that this is not just my blind love for my country, as I will indeed always stand against what isn’t right.
🙏 😊
@@mul-el3657 No worries. Just to point out that I did not mention "genocide" anywhere. I only mentioned the Pakistan Army's murder and suppression of Baloch civilians. And, you haven't really "debunked" anything, you've just made claims. E.g. "Mohsin Dawar runs a sellout party" and "armed TTP militants". Mohsin Dawar's entire career has come out of criticising the Pakistan Army for supporting the Taliban and TTP. He does not make distinctions between good and bad Taliban like many in Pakistan do.
Also, there's a reason why Pakistan's neighbours are hostile. Firstly, I wouldn't class Iran as "hostile". There are border issues, but largely Pakistan and Iran see eye to eye on more than Pakistan's more immediate neighbours. I don't support the Indian state for its actions in Kashmir, but looking at it objectively, Pakistan is the hostile neighbour to India more than vice versa. All Indo-Pak wars were started by Pakistan, and ended more or less in either defeat or status quo ante bellum. Kashmiri independence itself was undermined by Pakistan when Pakistan decided to send tribals across the border, making the Maharaja nervous and ask the Indians to come to his aid. I will concede though that Afghanistan did try to invoke Pashtun nationalist sentiments in Pakistan, and for that it has paid the price. However, Pakistan hasn't really made things easy for itself by choosing to ally with the Taliban. The Taliban are known in Afghanistan as staunch Pashtun nationalists, and have never accepted the Durand Line. So by allying itself with the Taliban, Pakistan has chosen Islamic fundamentalist Pashtun nationalists, over secular Pashtun nationalists. It would have made far more sense strategically to have allied with the government in Kabul from 2001 onwards, which unlike the communist regimes were less Pashtun centric and more "national". So, as unfortunate as Pakistan has been, it hasn't made things any better for itself.
a very informative session....
Long time no see!!
We lost him too early, what a marvel men Jinnah was ❤️❤️.
This is the one of the most pristine of works, I have ever seen on Mr. Jinnah. I am from India, and loved this documentary. An amazingly well put together one. Truly, he was the most liberal man, the subcontinent has ever known; will ever know (unfortunately), for years to come.
The way I see the first half of 20th century history of the subcontinent, as related to India and Pakistan; the core conflict between INC and Mr. Jinnah, was that of authority and liberty, respectively. The INCans (moderates/centrists) were Hamiltonian nationalists, whereas Mr. Jinnah was a Jeffersonian republican. The history of 20th c British India has some remarkable parallels with the early United States’ history. The making of the US constitution in 1787, the conflicts between federalists (nationalists/strong central government) and antifederalists (democratic-republicans/strong state governments) in the early American republic, are quite similar to that of the subcontinent’s history.
Nehru and Patel were Hamiltonians, who prioritized in territoriality and centrality, over democratic process. Jinnah and his close allies, were Jeffersonians, who believed in Jeffersonian principles of wall of separation between church and state, democratization of ownership of property, republican form of governments, concurrent majorities, states’ rights and autonomy (not sovereignty), and so on.
Jinnah was a Lockean just like Jefferson. Nehru and Co. were not. They were utilitarians, at best. The direct result of which, is what we see in India, today. Tyranny of some of the populous states states (cow belt) over others through aggressive take over of central legislature (parliament), on the basis of religion and religious fanaticism. The Hamiltonians (Nehru and Co) were the architect of the present day crisis in India. Absolute rule of parliament, parliamentary sovereignty, Supreme Court sovereignty, states’ subordinacy, unitary powers with residual powers vested in a central government- all recipes of despotism and dictatorship.
Love live, Mr. Jinnah!
A true liberal republican, through and through.
A Jeffersonian.
*long live
You’ve put it very well. But still Jinnah had failed to create a perfect secular state with godless constitution ironically. In my opinion, it was because he ran out of much options due to abrupt changes in political atmosphere of India from 1940s.
@@nerdy4172 I dont think this was about him failing to do anything. The man was dying and hadn't got much time left. He left it to the people, and the democratic process, to take it from where he was leaving.
Very impressive analysis but it should also be mentioned that the Jinnah you're describing is the Jinnah of pre-pakistan movement. He held the leadership of the Pakistan-movement out of spite after sensing his apparent ideological divide with the Congress and totally gave up on his ideological principles. This is why what became Pakistan was ideologically totally in contrast to the philosophy of Locke and Jefferson. In a way, he ended up creating exactly what he was opposing and even a more radical form of it.
Yaa that's why you don't have East Pakistan with you(Pakistani Fake ID) now
Sir plz do a vedio on Iqbal and sir Syed as well .. thank you
Sir jee try to make precise and short videos on these topics so that everyone has time to listen and gain within short period of time.
Jinnah was an admirer of Kemal Ataturk and his secular policies for the rest of his life
Please make a video on orthodox,protestant and Catholic
plz share ur views on political and religious reforms in Saudi Arabia
Master piece.
Sir i am waiting of your lecture on dark side of liberalism ,please share with us
Thankyou!
48:37 it's ashame that never happened and its still not happening 😒
51:08 onwards, that is so true
56:03 indeed jinnah's reply to that completely fits in with the condition of today's Pakistan
Love it sir
Awesome documentary but you should write this in textual form
kindly add download option in your videos. Thanks
1:49:47-1:50:04 should show/tell this to extremists of Pakistan
Thats a great documentary
Such a confusion and chaos, this is my Pakistan....
دل خون کے آنسوں روتا ہے
Sir kindly give all the references for this video
Hey! Could you please list the citations for your documentary please.
Hats off to you.
This is why 1971 was a great feat for my country Bangladesh. My country was born on the basis of language and culture not religion and we became successful in sidelining oppressive Arab religion forever. It will never be able to play the central role in our politics no matter how much the mullahs try. Pakistan is stuck . It can't get out of the oppressive fist of the arabian Culture because it was born on the basis of it.
I appreciate the effort! Very good compilation of history. But i can feel there is alot of misinformation and the narrator was biased at many instances. You have included your personal views while telling historic incidents. History should not be biased.
Wo to khud apni zyaati zindagi ma seculer te lekin Hindustan ko thor kar nafrat ki aag lagayie
Plz tell all your references at the end of vedio or in description
Very Good Informative video But if you saying Quaid was shiya (ismaili) any evidence do you have?
Why this documentary is so different from Dr Ishtiaq books and Explanations? Now who is correct??
"even in 1887 john bright showed/hinted the inclination to divide india" jinnah told beverky nichols in an interview
Sir can you please provide the English transcript of this video?
Kindly mention the sources from where the data has been accessed. Thanks
Taimur sir....Wo ek video bnaye , actually communism liberalism or secularism ko kaise critic karta h nd kyo match nhi karta h kya difference hai or kyo plz historical background kya h isme plz ya koi short reply den den mai bhut confused hoon isme , mujhe ye lagta tha ki liberalism to ho skta hai alag chiz h magar secularism to communism practice ma ek part hai....Plz explain and reply
بہت زبردست ویڈیو ہے
ڈاکٹر صاحب کوئی اکانومی تے وی ویڈیو چاڑو۔ بہت برا ہال اے اجکل۔
Thank you
Can I get references of information in this video?
I want such explanatory stories on Marxism. Appreciate your efforts
Great 👍
One of great film I watched about Mr. Jinnah and different history of Pakistan.
It helped to conclude that Jinnah was more enlightened, Indian, regionally local and sincere with Muslims not basis of Islam but Pakistani Muslim community.
Taimur Sahab,,, falsafe pe to videos banaien plzzzzz
Summry of the book 'Jinnah of Pakistan'
Iam very much surprised after watching this video...
Sir ya vedio download nahi ho rahi
Where is sir plz
such a good documentary, it needs to be shown in universities to let the people know about secularism
It was never secualr this is false how can it be secular
I really appreciate your efforts. I am also not satisfied with the syllabus of Pak affairs that spreads extremism. Yet one thing that I want to correct is... It's not religion that needs criticism but the religious people. I hope you agree. Even the PM of today's Pakistan also uses the religion card.
Yeah I like IK and I want him to come back but I do agree that even he uses the relegion card
Sir please recommend some books on history of Pakistan 🇵🇰
Mind blowing
Indians and Pakistanis must see it
To overcome the problems they are facing now
Video with references would be more effective!!
Sir agar aap short clips banaye to logo ko b asani ho gi son, ny Samajnay ma or aap ki viewership bi increase ho gi
Sir I will say only one line for you...
آپ کی اس وطن اور دین کے لیے کی گئی خدمت کروڑوں پیشہ ور مولانا کی گزری ہوئی زندگی سے بہتر ہے...
یہ ہوتی ہے تبلیغ اور یہ ہوتا ہے کسی قوم اور معاشرے کیلئے کی گئی دن رات کی محنت اللہ تعالیٰ آپ کو مزید علم اور شعور عطا فرمائے اور آپ کو آخرت میں کامیابی عطا فرمائے. آمین
Mr. M.A.Jinnah 🔥
The great leader and Freedom Fighter 💯 Doesn't matter he was religious or secular in believes (religious or anything else)the thing which matters is that he fought for the rights of suppressed nation in Sub-Continent
@@soldierofislam1 TTP is still terrorist organisation.
AP is vedio ko download krna allow kr dein
Hi everyone, I a left wing student from India, looking to talk to Pakistani left wing student groups. Ummeed he ki aapas me seekh sakhenge aur ek doosre ki progressive politics ko behtar samajh sakenge.
Does anyone know unions which I should reach out to? Any contact details would help immensly!
Unfortunately our any leader of Pakistan didn't got jail or not got any harsh punishment or any harsh movement against Britishers and still we got the independencce it's is BCz of decolonisation
Pakistani politicians did not, but Indian politicians including Nehru went to jail.
@@dollartreeshark6786 yes Indian leaders were utopian socialist
Thank you Dr. Taimur, for letting me experience the true history of my nation. Too much to bear at once :(
Sir Taimur can I please get references to this research?
No reference just stories made up by himself.
@@abdullah19_mthey have shown u every single source of information... They have shown all things
Muslims are so oppressed that I've heard that even in Jannah there are voices for a separate homeland to escape Allah's atrocities.
Sir, have u ever looked at yourself in the mirror and thought, oh i look like Z.A bhutto
No :)
@@Taimur_Laal Sir aisa bhi kiya dabbao tha Liaqat A Khan ke upar?
Hahahaha, I recently saw his picture and thought for a moment that he was Bilawal.
The Real question is: Are Indian Citizens and Pakistani citizens secular??
Spoiler alert: they are not
recently , parag Agarwal become the ceo of twitter, but he is not the first, google,microsoft,adobe,IBM etc have indian CEO , jinnah died after making pakistam , but nehru didn't , all the IIT's and major education institute in india were started by nehru , ISRO was started by nehru , and IIT bombay where parag Agarwal studied was also started by nehru , i don't want to brag about india , but want to highlight that politicians focusing on education and secular values can make a lot of change in coming years. wondering what could be the history of india and pakistan if jinnah didn't die, anyways good to see people in pakistan calling themselves pakistanis rather than Arabian or turkish .
1:24:25 goosebumps
I studied in NU-FAST Isb. I debated and perhaps failed multiple times, in explaining this to my closest friends, it’s quite disappointing how Quaid is misunderstood at such scale.
And New found respect Mullahs(sarcasm)
Can you please name the Hindu paties in coalition with league in Bengal?
In what way those hindu parties were different from Congress whose secularism was put with a big question mark by Mr Jinnah
Its Hindu Mahasabha, which had a hatred for Muslims from its beginning. When the Bengal election war over congress emerged as the largest part whereas the Muslim league become the second-largest party, however, Hindu Mahasabha also got some seats. But without a coalition non of the parties cannot form a government. Hindu Mahasabha first approached Congress for the coalition but Nehru rejected them because of their radical view but Muslim league does not share Nehru opinion and made an alliance with them even though they know about its hatred for Muslims. After 1947 both Pakistan and Hindu Mahasabha try to hide their past by hiding the details which put with a big question mark about their commintment.
Quid e azam was our freedom leader,and he did his job, and we got a separate home land we are grateful to him
بہترین ویڈیو ہے مگر ڈاکڑ تیمور کی آواز میں ہوتی تو کہیں زیادہ ہر اثر ہوتی۔
ایف ایس سی میں پڑھنے والی بیٹی کے مطابق " ڈاکڑ تیمور کی جناح کے بارے ویڈیو دیکھ کر جناح کو بہترین انداز میں سمجھنے کا موقع ملا جو اب سے پہلے کبھی نہیں ملا تھا۔" شکریہ محترم
Durave rathi must see this documentary
The Great calcutta Killings is being conveniently explained through class-based violence, law and order vacuum because of decolonization etc. A clean chit is also being given to the Muslim league government in bengal.
However, Suhrawardy's vitriolic speech, call to Jehad post Friday prayers, calling a public holiday and assuring Muslim goondas that the police would look the other way if they agitate, are responsible for the initial break of violence.
Neither is Jinnah's choice of wordings of having a pistol etc that drew on imagery of violence.
To ye reality ha
Humary syllabus me to kuch aur hi dikhaya gya ha very sad