May ALLAH ﷻ guide Ummah of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ to the right path so that we can be the light bearers of truth once again & can show others the way of ALLAH ﷻ. Aameen Secularism is issue of whole ummah irrespective of countries. These countries that we see are themselves a result of secular division of Khilafah that was the Muslim political unity/order. May ALLAH ﷻ return Khilafah of mercy among Muslims ummah upon the way of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ & the rightly guided Caliphs ؓ.
Either you are a secular person or a Muslim who follows Allah’s Laws laid down in His Book - Quran. There is no in between- your beliefs as a Muslim is in jeopardy-then .
Bangladesh since its birth was never an Islamic Country. You can find many practising Muslims here, true, but in essence it was always a secular country. From its education system to juristic system everything has been secular. The prime reason behind it is the 'liberators' of the country from the corrupt discriminating Islamic rulers were themselves corrupt discriminating seculars. And as history is written by vislctorians the bias against Islamic lifestyle has always prevailed in the country
Salaams Paul, I have always considered myself to be a “secular” Muslim without giving it much thought. Your short video has provided a very deep and thought-provoking quote that has fired up my intellect, Al'ham'du'li'laah: “A Secular Muslim is someone who believes that the Creator was sufficient enough to set highly calculated Mathematical and Physical Laws that organise Planets in Orbit, but wasn’t sufficient enough to create laws that organise the human society.” My initial apprehension with your quote was that it applies to me: I have always had the assumption, that I am a “secular Muslim.” However, when I pondered and reflected on your quote, I was then troubled (perhaps by the term “secular”); as a practising Muslim, I fully agree with the first half of your quote, namely: “A secular Muslim is someone who believes that the Creator was sufficient enough to set highly calculated Mathematical and Physical Laws that organise Planets in Orbit…” However, (fortunately) the rest of the quote does not apply to me (so, am I a “secular” Muslim?), because I firmly believe, in my heart, mind, body, soul and intellect, that: -the Quran is the Word of God (Kalaam of Allah, Sub’ha’na’hu wa Ta’a’la) -The Quran was applicable in the 7th Century, 610-633 AD (23 years of Revelation) as it is applicable today in 2023, as it will be applicable in a million years from today until the Day of Qi’ya’mah -The Word of Allah (Sub’ha’na’hu wa Ta’a’la) can never be wrong, nor can it change. In the same way, that Gravity was the same in the 7th Century, as it is today in the 21st Century, as it will remain the same in the millionth century. Gravity does not change: similarly, the Word of God does not change. We as human beings and Muslims have to adapt and change to fit within the God-Given Laws. This change is difficult. The discomfort is the resistance to the Divine Will: Peace (salaam; Islam, Muslim) can only be attained when we submit our rebellious questioning will to the Divine Will. The whole purpose of hardship is so that we as feeble human beings can become extraordinary human beings. For surely, diamonds cannot be polished without friction, and character cannot be developed without trials. It was this philosophy, it was the Quran and the sterling and impeccable example (Sunnah) of the Noble and Beloved Nabi (Sal’lal’laa’hu A’lay’hi Was’sal’lam - Peace, Blessings, Mercy and Salutations be upon him), that transformed the rustic and crude desert Bedouin's from dust into diamonds. These very same Sahaba (may Allah be Pleased with them), then went on to conquer the two superpowers of their time: the Persian Empire and the Roman (Byzantine) Empire. The entire ethos of Islam is based on Justice, polished refined manners (wrapped with humility, kindness, selflessness and respect), and character (highest morals, ethics, loyalty and a steady moral compass). The same Quran with its same Laws was understood and applied by the Sahaba, and the same Laws of the Quran can be used today as well as in the future till the Final Hour, to unleash the latent potential within all of us so that we keep striving to be better human beings, through Ih’saan (excellence), and become “diamonds” - this is the duty and goal of a Muslim (Zhikr polishes the heart while love for the Prophet (Sal’lal’laa’hu A’lay’hi Was’sal’lam) with abundant Durood and Salaams, transforms us into outstanding glittering diamonds. -Ergo, the same Creator who formulated the Laws of Gravity, Newtonian Physics, Thermodynamics, Laws of Planetary and Stellar Motions, and the Laws of Atomic and subatomic particles, including the Laws pertaining to matter, anti-matter, spirit, energy, dark energy and black matter, then that same Creator, most certainly has the Skill, Knowledge and Supreme Intelligence to formulate Laws that govern human society and that govern Mankind, irrespective of the epoch or geographical GPS coordinates in which that human being resides. -We need to understand that the Supreme Creator, has an Infinite Intellect. We as human beings have a limited and finite intellect. It is impossible for a human being, a mere mortal with a finite intellect, mind and brain, to grasp the Infinite Intellect of a Supreme Being Who is beyond time and space and is (not was) there before-the-before (before the beginning of Time and Space, and is (not will be) there after-the-after, after the end of Time as we understand it. Similarly, the finite human intellect cannot grasp God: Who is God? Chapter 112 gives us a beautiful explanation in a few cryptic verses, but many tomes and volumes can be written on this subject. The key phrase is: “there is none like unto Him.” God does not look like a human in any shape or form and He has no anthropomorphic traits. This tells us, that even if we bring together the best brains of the world, all the architects, designers, gamers, computer experts, CAD (computer aided design graphic artists), robots, algorithms, and produce billions of different understandings or pictures or likenesses of Allah (Sub’ha’na’hu wa Ta’a’la), we will be wrong, by default. The closest understanding we can have of God is that “He is the Light of the Heaven and the Earth.” But “Light” itself is an intellectual dilemma and enigma for the human mind. What kind of a Light? Sunlight? Moonlight? UV light? Neon Light? Star Light? Fluorescent light? Biolumninescent light? Iridescent light? Shimmering Light? Laser Light? Wrong, wrong and wrong again. It is a Light that is beyond Light and beyond the understanding of the limited human intellect since there is “no likeness of Him.” Ergo, the Kalaam of Allah, the Quran, is Pristine, Pure, Impeccable, Faultless, Perfect, Sublime, Majestic and Sacred. It is no wonder that it is called the Fur’qaan: that which distinguishes between right and wrong. In simple terms, the Quran is the Book of the Future: it is the most advanced Book known to Humanity, now and forever. Islam is easy: human beings make it difficult. In the final analysis: thank you for this thought-provoking quote which made me deeply introspective. I would now say that I am a “modern Muslim” or even a “western-influenced Muslim”, but not a “secular Muslim.” I am modern or western in the sense that I love to wear a suit and tie, I love science, knowledge, space travel, robotics, AI; I love the modern lifestyle and I love the medical, scientific and technological advances, though I am firmly anchored in my deep spiritual love for Islam, Al’ham’du’lil’laah. I wrongly assumed that “secular” meant “modern.’ However, this was cleared up when I saw the dictionary definition: “Secular: not connected with religious or spiritual matters.” In this respect, “secular” refers to someone who is simply Muslim by name but not by actions and deeds. Similarly, there are many Christians who are Christians by name and not by deed. In fact, many Pew Research polls demonstrate that many people who identify as “Christian” do not go to Church, do not read the bible and do not contemplate upon religion or upon the Hereafter or upon their purpose in life. Thank you for providing us thought-provoking ideas and inspiring life examples, such as your oft-quoted author, Gai Eaton and others. Keep up the good work. Stay well. Salaams and warmest regards, Dr Ahmed Adam, medical doctor, South Africa
If god has no anthropomorphic traits, how come he created mankind from clay? The clay creation myth clearly anthropomorphizes divinity by not letting it say "be", but makes it use a human creative material chosen for properties that allows shapes to be made by hands or tools. If the quran is "Pristine, Pure, Impeccable, Faultless, Perfect, Sublime, Majestic and Sacred", then how do you explain the immature verses and surahs, like surah at tahrim, surah al jinn or the don't-overstay-dinner verse? If you're firmly anchored in your deep spiritual love for islam, what would happen to you if you understood that islam is man-made?
@@jesan733 Thank you for your comment. My medical and scientific background (including a post-graduate honours degree in Evolution, under (late) Professor Philip Tobias, Professor Emeritus at the University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg) coupled with my deep love for Islam (from a rational and intellectual perspective) has given me total peace. I am not searching: I have found the Truth. To you be your way, and to me, mine. Stay well.
@@drahmedadamb2bbacktobasics the human ability to extract what's noble from a context and disregard the rest should perhaps be celebrated. After all, it's so much better than some alternatives. Stay well.
There's an excellent book written by the Tunisian, Muslim scholar Sami Amiri, which tackles this issue of secularism in depth. The book is in Arabic and it's called, "العالمانية طاعون العصر" "Secularism: the plague of the modern age.". The book is in Arabic and hasn't been translated into English yet (hopefully it will be in the future).
Yes , i read that book , quite big , but really amazing , it was recommended by Dr Haitham Tal'at as well , at least every arabic speaker should read that book ,I wich that there will be a translation to this book ,so that our brothers from all around the world can benefit from it. MasaAllah on Dr Sami Amiri work , may Allah protect him for the ummah.
The tweet was very good. My circle also liked it. Brother Paul, I used to listen your debates when you used to come to speakers corner and debates at that time were better. Pre Covid times
Perfectly phrased♡. The secular muslim is put forth as the modern mindset by many, opposite to the muslim who wants to apply islam in all aspects of his life. The contradiction in terms is not even noticed by some muslims who marginalize religion to the extreme. The nature of Islam is all encompassing; Allah is Wiise and Miighty and has His plan. The Quran is timeless and eaternal.. We are weak and have restricted understanding: we are in need of guidance.. Makes no sense to leave out God's laws selectively...
The real problem is that what we call sharia draw heavly from the hadiths that were written 200 years after the death of the prophet, are not 100% true contrary to the quran which is the direct words of God and are specific to certain customs of 7th century arabia. Furthermore, the quran is not a law book. Its a religious book meant to guide us.
@@skepticalzostrianos9875 Quran is a law,a connstitution ,the economc system ,the foreign relations,the social system as well as a spritual guide. Rule only belongs to Allah azzawajal not to any *You like chocolate and i like vanilla cult* !
@@skepticalzostrianos9875 The Qur'an were not written 200 years after the death of the prophet ﷺ. They were written since during the time of the Prophet ﷺ. They collected during and after his death. The Qur'an is preserved the same way, by the same people, the hadith are. No one denies there's false and weak hadiths, however, that supports the system of hadith, there's such intracities in hadith, that to deny the system as a hadith as a whole, you end up denying the reliability of the Qur'an. Islam is a way of life. Although Qur'an composes a way of life and message to the purpose. Hadith showcases how to enact them, hence why so many people seem to be against it, because it deals with specifics. Specifics that emotionally they don't like. Islam involves every facet of life, and government is no different.
@@deiov The prophet pubh died at 632 and the earliest collections of hadith texts is Muwatta of Imam Malik that was written in 711-795 so 100-163 years after the death of Mohammed pubh. During the reign of Umar it was prohibited to write down the ahadith, because Umar ras was afraid that people would give it a highter autority over the quran (whats happening to us rn) and lead people to kufr (hadith aren't 100% true like the quran is). No one denies the authenticity of the quran, but the hadiths on the other hand... We can doubt the validity of some of them. Look at the beauty of the quran and its linguistic miracles. It treats diverse subjects in such a unique and exalted manner as is nowhere to be found in any genre of Arabic literature. And then you find some weird shit like this. Hadith 2:245 Narrated 'Abdullah : A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, "Satan urinated in his ears." When you say "Although Qur'an composes a way of life and message to the purpose. Hadith showcases how to enact them, hence why so many people seem to be against it, because it deals with specifics. Specifics that emotionally they don't like." So you believe that the Creator was sufficient enough to set highly calculated Mathematical and Physical laws that organise Planets in Orbit but wasn’t sufficient enough to create laws that organises the human society *and state it clearly in the quran instead of letting humans collect 200 years later the presupposed actions and statements of the prophet to make up these "islamic" laws* I'm not a secular muslim, I believe that islamic punishments such as the death penalty for to murderers, rapists and paedophiles have to be applied. But i don't agree with everything the ahadith say. Scholars should review their methodes and discard ahadith that go against the teachings of the quran.
"Yeah, May be God should need to update the laws of physics to match our needs today starting from 'something can come from nothing'". May Allah protects us from becoming this complacent.
As a Bangladeshi Muslim I can say that although our country has 91% Muslim population, secularism is very much a prominent thing. I will say, many of us are very religious but most of us don't really know about the reality of secularism. We are made to feel inferior by secular elite who mock us and demean us and they are constantly pushing to make our country more liberal. This year they have even added and promoted Transgenderism in our 7th class (generally 11-14 years old kids') textbooks and we did nothing. Sadly, we are not aware of the dangers of liberalism. But there is hope as our younger generation are becoming more and more educated about these stuff thanks to social media, youtube and people like you. JZK, brother.
@@jesan733 Well, do you support Democracy? What is your definition of progress? What factors are indicators of progress? You criticize Islam by saying that it is "man made", so maybe you do think "man made" laws are not sufficient for human societies. What would be your solution? I am curious.
@@mheich8659 I do support democracy. I think one aspect of progress is unsubscribing to falsehood. There are many others, of course, but it'd be very strange if a 7th century hoax is the path to good governance and good outcomes. Also I think the statistics show islamic governance doesn't create very good outcomes. Secular-democratic-capitalist governance seems far better. I don't think there are any alternatives to man-made laws because divinities don't seem to exist, or they don't make themselves known to us.
@@jesan733 Then what is your standard of truth regarding laws and governance? But If you reject Islam because it is from 7th century then you must reject democracy too because it was found in 500 bce. And whether Islamic claims about divinity is true or not, it is another debate. But why do you criticise its laws for being "man made" when when "Secular-democratic-capitalist" governance is also man made. Again what is your standard of truth regarding this? Then again there also exists certain assumptions or dogmas in Secularism and Liberalism too. Dogams you have to believe without emipirical proof. And I would like to see the statistics you are refering to. If the statistics you refer to have Secular Liberal standards of measurements then, sure, Secular Liberal states will do much better in those statistics.
@@mheich8659 we adjust laws and governance according to the findings of social science to optimize outcomes. So the truth tends to guide laws and governance in democratic-secular societies. In islamic societies, fundamental falsehood reduces the extent to which that is done. I don't reject islam because it's from the 7th century, I'm just pointing out that its age is an explanation for why we can see that its governance is not competitive. Man-made governance that doesn't pretend to be otherwise has an edge over man-made governance that claims to be divine. The former is more easy to continuously develop. So what assumptions or dogmas that I have to believe without empirical truth do you find in secularism and liberalism? Statistics include life expectancy, education, patents, low corruption, happiness, women peace and security, wealth generation, geopolitical power, health, environmental care and more.
3:31 - I fully agree, that it is eternally relevant indeed. I am surprised sometimes at some Muslims, secular Muslims that even have this thinking. Maybe the journey of understanding Islam is yet to be fully fulfilled or they have even begun that journey to understanding the Deen.
Assalumu'alaikom brother Paul jazakum'Allah khayra for this upstanding response these people follow their desires so Ibliss mislead them we pray they get back to the straight path.
As a muslim, I always admire the Quran Surah Al Baqarah verse 208. It is clearly tells us to become a wholehearted Islam and not to follow Syaitan's footsteps. May Allah always bless and guide us all..
Well said. I'd be curious to see what you think of Muhammad Asad's view regarding this issue enunciated in his book, 'The Principles of State and Government in Islam'. In it, he argues that Shari'ah "is a Divine Ordinance, and as such, duly anticipates the fact of historical evolution, and confronts the believer with no more than a very limited number of broad political principles; beyond that, it leaves a vast field of constitutation-making activity, of governmental methods, and of day-of-day legislation to the ijtihad of the time concerned." I am still reading the book, but so far, I find his views to be thought-provoking.
My family is from Bangladesh I was born and raised in Atlanta and I’ve been to Bangladesh more than 10 times each time I went Islam is slowly fading away. More Bengalis in bangladesh are becoming atheists English medium schools are on the rise making the kids forget their beautiful culture. The government are targeting religious scholars in the nation and arresting or persecuting them. LGBTQ+ are slowly creeping in the society as well. Divorce rates are becoming more and more.
How does an increase in Divorce rates signify the fading away of Islamic values ? Islam allows Talaq unlike Hinduism that prohibits divorce and says marriage is a relationship for 7 janam etc.
Divorce rates are in the rise in Bangladesh because more females in the country are in the work force. It's the rise of feminisim in Bangladesh that's taking them away from Islam. Alot of them is the wives divorcing their husbands because they believe that their husbands are holding them back and not only that zina also is another prime factor
@@MDVaashir Islam ALLOWS for Talaq. But it is not recommended. Also Islam does not force people to stay within a marriage if it does not work at all, but Hinduism does.
Salam Br Paul, Perhaps you can invite scholars to speak on Usul Fiqh, Maqasid and Maxim of fiqh to help the public understand how ijtihad ( juristic reasoning )is regulated and the difference between shariah and fiqh, hukum and fatwas etc. There are unchangeable laws but Allah also gives room for us to exercise human reasoning in many areas adapting to changes of place and time. Its like the formula for area of a circle doesnt change, but the radius is a variable that can change the conclusion of the final answer. Allahualam
Indeed you are a scholar bestowed with the gift of spiritual understanding as spelt out in the Majestic Quran (2:169) “He gives wisdom1 to whom He wills, and whoever has been given wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those of understanding.” Encore Prof Williams & take a bow👍👏
May Allah SWT continue to shower you with his righteous guidance so that you can then preach his true message to the world,especially at a time like this when it is desperately needed.
Assalamoalaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatohoo Paul I hope you are in best state of Imaan InshaAllah I Love your channel I've been watching quite a few of your videos and have thoroughly enjoyed them Great work May Allah subhanataala bless you and your family, I would like to recommend someone for you to interview a great spiritual Teacher Sheikh Ahmed Dabbagh Director of Wise life Acedamy and Islamic science's UK Also known as Tareeqa Muhammediya a Prophetic Path
Great point. According to such term, God was not "competent" enough to organize human life at a given time. The brother from Bangladesh thinks of God within our laws and limitations. But the challenge is to answer an important question: How does Islam address problems knowing that there will be always new problems come up. The answer is in the Islamic Legal Theory Usul al-Fiqh. Br. Paul: This topic is worth to be addressed. You can approach Thinking Muslims to suggest some names to address this topic via your platform.
Usul al-Fiqh draw heavily from the ahadith and the custom of medinite people, not the quran istelf that is the word of God. The ahadith are not meant to be an authority in legislations. Even Umar ras prohibited the recordation and reporting of the Sunnah . It has been narrated on the authority of `Urwah ibn al-Zubayr that when `Umar had intended to record the Holy Sunnah, he consulted the companions of the Holy Prophet, and they advised him to record. For about a month, `Umar set to seek Almighty Allah’s proper guidance in this regard. One morning, after Allah had decided for him, `Umar said, ‘I had intended to record the Holy Sunnah, but I remembered some past nations who applied themselves completely to the items they had written and, as a result, neglected the Book of Almighty Allah. By Allah I swear! I will never allow anything to interfere with the Book of Allah.’1 Yahya ibn Ju`dah narrated that after `Umar ibn al-Khattab had intended to record the Holy Sunnah, he changed his mind and distributed a missive in the countries ordering people to erase any item of the Holy Sunnah that they might have recorded
True this pure contradiction of one's belief system. Also you can not be a Muslim and secular at the same time. Coz being a Muslim means totally submission to almighty Allah. May Allah guide that Brother 🙏
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "The Mufarridun have gone ahead." He was asked, "Who are the Mufarridun?" He (ﷺ) replied, "Those men and women who frequently celebrate the remembrance of Allah." [Muslim].
Assalamualaikum Mr. Paul Williams, You need to invite Dr. Syed Ali Tawfik Al-Attas again but this time to discuss this topic - secular Muslim. And why not in the next discussion with him, it will be interesting to invite his cousin, Prof. Dr. Syed Farid Alatas, who is a prominent scholar as well. Your consideration would be greatly appreciated. Wassalam.
Thanks for very informative clip the place from where I belong secular is synonymous with tolerance with other faiths ,and this word is highly cherished among muslim society but to my horror and anguish learnt the true meaning and far extreme of secularism 😢 its reducing or pushing God to back seat and thinking human intellect is enough to guide human civilization now with this new perspective in mind its like new atheist movement In disguise of secular cloack
If you're shaping and molding your Islam to conform to the latest interpretation of liberalism, which is constantly changing every 2 years or so, then your religion is the latest interpretation of liberalism.
There is no such thing as a secular Muslim…. Only believers and non believer’s.. Sura 2:11: And when it is said to them, “Do not cause corruption on the earth,” they say “We are but reformers.”
This stuff remind me about "Some people that cherry pick whatever they like from Quran and ignore that they didn't like" I dont remember the Surah or Ayah. sorry. xd Salam guys.
Secularism had roots in Judeo-Christian values. What you said is, I think, secularism from the perspective of Kalam or Theology since it deals with the eternality, relevance, and cohesion of God's Law (in Arabic "Shalahul Islam fi kulli zaman"). Other perspective views Secularism as a worldview in which the relevance of religion in life diminish because the Nature is desacralized and disenchanted. It had the taste of nihilistic values that later feed the Postmodernistic idea. For more perspective, I suggest you to read works of Prof. Seyyed Muhammad Naquib Al-Attas: Islam and Secularism and The Prolegomena to the Metaphysics of Islam.
A secular Muslim is the one who is a lay Muslim who thinks that Shariah needs to change with time simply because the West says so. They have more faith in the West (and its ideologies) due to its success than they have in Allah. However, as Muslims, we must believe that worldly success is something Allah has decreed for the disbelievers as this is their only Paradise. As Muslims, it is success in the Hereafter that we are after. And who would not want that success in lieu of this worldly life except a Hypocrite? A secular Muslim is that Hypocrite and some don't even hide it saying they are ex-Muslims or agnostic Muslims :)
This is the issue with you islamist. You would rather forego the proven success of modern institutions in favour of backwards sharia. Look how's that working for the afghans. You islamist are a proven retarding element in society
Lions of Islam in Europe and Americas . Allahu Akbar . May God/Allah reward you and us in both this short living world and there in the eternal next life in Paradise seeing his majesty in shaa Allah . Ameen .
So it seems many people associate secularism with something modern 🤔 (or cool i guess).. but the thing is not 'everything' that new is always the best. And that's coming from human, let alone from an entity that's entirely powerful beyond anyone's imagination.
I was born in an Secular Indian Family, Our family practiced bidah and were very secular and not religious. I fell into the hands of progressive leftism and apostasy, as far right in India targeted muslims, and so i saw religion as a cause of friction in society. I was educated myself regarding orthodox Sunni Islam and found most things I thought regarding Islam were just Bid'ah or false information, back then far right Hindu nationalist hated me now my own people hate me to be orthodox practicing muslim.. I hold gratitude for Allah to guide me back to truth, the default deen of mankind. I also thanks individuals like Mohammad Hijab, Uthman Ibn Farooq, Daniel Haqiqajou from muslim skeptic. I went from Secular to far Libertarianism to conservativism and Now im eternally muslim. My gram weight of support for secular liberalism was defeated by arguments of muslim skeptic articles and debates. Now this movement is wide spread in India, making muslims more religious sunni and secular sufism is at a decline. Most Sufi sect in India Wear the mask of Sunni indentity but don't share a inch worth of Islamic structure with Islam. I feel freed from political influence, Glory be to Lord, Alhamdulillah!
Brilliant explanation need to get a copy of gai eatons book. Again the Quran explains so called ‘liberal modern Muslim’ “have you seen the one who has taken his own desires as his god”. These people want their cake and eat it, they want paradise know that Islam is truth but do not want to earn it.
If you enforce sharia, then where is people’s freedom to choose to do good or bad ? It diminishes their ability to act autonomously and move closer to god by resisting temptations and developing morally. In a secular/liberal societies, muslims can still choose to act in line of sharia … not because they are scared of punishment by humans, but because they want to live in line with God’s wishes. It is arguably a better test of one’s faith.
It is not about testing one's faith. Laws prescribed by Allah ﷻ are infinitely better than any man-made laws. The idea that freedom is a priority is itself a secular concept. For many people today, they are hurled into struggles so imaginable, that practicing their faith is criminal. Rather than seeking illogical pain to one's self, the sharia is the only way to build a holistic, God-fearing society. I don't see how this logic isn't apparent in stating that man-made laws, one's not from Allah ﷻ are better.
@@deiov Two points though (you can excuse me if some details are not wholly correct). (1) the Quran does not give a hollistic set of laws regarding Sharia, so Islamic scholars are forced to instead use Hadith and Sunnah to pad out the details... but neither of these are divine revelation, and are vulnerable to human influence (even if you are 90% sure a good Hadith is reliable, you can't be 100% sure), (2) the society of 600AD ish is quite a lot different to nowadays, so with regards to how to regulate new technologies etc, you are forced again to rely on human interpretation (i.e., Islamic scholars rulings based on their interpretation of the 3 above sources) which again, is not divine revelation.
In nutshell secularists believe separating the state from religion, the Christians would say separating church from state, in Islam if any one thinks man made laws are equal to Devine laws he would be considered outside the fold of Islam, just imagine if someone thinks man made law is better than Devine laws!?
@@retrochronic44 I just finished the 2 part 6 hour long video(s) on Ibn Taymiyyah and his Theology. They went DEEP into Ibn Taymiyyah's view of Atharism and Ash'arism and some of the nuances of his Aqeedah. Really interesting.
@@al_worshiper6086 in order to achieve unification you have to understand all the viewpoints. Diversity is good. There are only a few groups that are sectarian by nature while the rest of us (Ash'ari's, Athari's, Maturidi's, the 4 schools of Fiqh) are all in agreement and just have different interpretations and understandings but they are not contradictory. Avoiding violence should be the goal.
A big percentage of Muslims in Türkiye are secular Muslims. "Don't mix religion and state! Religion is pure so don't stain it with politics!" I'm not going to lie, this is a very clever way of justifying following your whims and desires.
That tweet seems to presuppose this idea of moral progression which has its roots in ontological naturalistic post modern neo liberal assumptions about the world. Assumptions that say, we are progressing morally which is why it is okay to change things in terms of ethics and morality that govern society. The Sharia of Allah is flexible enough to accomodate different eras since it is based on the pristine condition upon which human beings were born upon. The values are timeless since they came from the Being that is timeless.
The Qur'an heals all ills in society yesterday, today and tomorrow. Allah is not deficient to present his finale message that doesn't address humanity until judgment day.
From Bangladesh here, Majority Muslims in Bangladesh are very materialistic and even if they don't openly say that they are secular but deep inside they follow secularism because there is worldly benefit. I have meet these kinds of people in Bangladesh, they think having a degree can make them become intellectually superior in all aspects of life, even these degrees are not science related. Most of them are from Arts background, they studied the Bengali Language, Poetry, etc. which are totally not related to science. They are so blinded by their ego that they don't think and read. They will jump into conclusions by reading a few books or two which are totally biased. I have showed evidence to these people before, but for some reason they don't agree, and they don't even have counter arguments.
In simpler terms, a secular Muslim is that who wants to be free from Islamic rules of (dos and don’ts), yet he/she still maintains islamic “beliefs” in the heart as long as those beliefs do not require commitments and/or efforts from the servant of God. 😅 Examples: a secular Muslim believes in God (Allah) as the creator and the sender of the messengers to the humanity. He believes in the books of God, angels of God and the hereafter as the day of resurrection. At the same time, he doesn’t find the 5 daily Muslim prayers as compulsory! Claiming that prayers are hearty connection with God. No need to worship God with fasting during the month of Ramadan, because it’s enough for him/her to be kind to other human beings which is the objective of fasting (according to them).
I always thought of myself as a secular muslim. The statement " God: was not sufficient enough to create laws that organizes the human society." I started to re-question my own identity. The question is not so much that as God is not capable of organizing human life. But who will interpret this to the muslims. The wahabis, The salafis, The sufis, The Shias, The quranists, The scientists, The nation state, The individual, Or Whom. I would like to see some hours devoted to this topic. Who is best to interpret for muslims? This is why i see myself as secularist.
My suggestion is for you to learn Usul Fiqh - a study of regulating ijtihad( juristic reasoning) Its a study of extremely sophisticated canonised methodology of deriving laws from the sources of Islam. Two primary source the Quran and Sunnah and 7 to 8 other reasoning sources that the principle itself is derive frm Quran. From there we can understand there are things that are beyond change , and the are things there are subjects to changes according to different times, but all are govern by eternal principle. There are truth that are narrow for example Tauheed , there are truth that are broad ( multiple answers) for example how exactly we move our fingers is solah. InshaaAllah things will be clear for you.
That's akin to a person rejecting islam entirely because there's so many religions. You judge by what established scholars, sahaba, and the Prophet ﷺ prescribed as ordained by Allah ﷻ.
@@deiov If one has to be a follower of Islam, which is the religion, to be Muslim then Why do Muslims keep claiming Prophet Musa, Isa, Ibrahim, etc... were Muslim? Note: Be specific. No equivocation, deflection, etc.
Actually paul and my fellow brothers and sisters they are talking about the laws of the torah as they are very old anti modern and does not apply anymore in the modern day and age
Quran Chapter 113: Say [O Prophet], “I seek refuge in the Lord of the space-time split from [the nothingness or the space time rupture or the wormhole in gravity wave] worst effect [on your body e.g., pain, heavy weight on chest] that He created [for transmitting inspiration to your heart at a speed faster than the speed of light] and from the worst of darkness [no space time rupture to reach Allah’s light in your heart, e.g., thought of harming yourself] when it [the no revelation duration] prolongs and from the worst of the blowers who knots [revelation with evil whisper, e.g., corrupting, abusing the revelation] and from the worst of an envier [like the Iblees] when he envies [seeing you receiving the divine truth, e.g., killing, harming you].
0:49 looking at his tweet, Bangladeshi flag with Sweden, means born in Bangladesh, lives in secular liberal country Sweden, got brainwashed by the surroundings thus has LGBTQ flag at the very first in twitter handle. a Secular Muslim. The Quote directly hit in the right place. 😂
As God is the ultimate creator, designer and manufacturer of this whole universe and every single living and non living thing on this planet HE knows precisely what best suits, benefits and harms us as humans and revealed his instructions on the Quran.. which I think of the Quran and the Shares law as the customer manual or employee handbook that guide us what to do and how to act and interact within this universe... ... He God is the creator and knows what is best for his creatures.
The Quran has the guidance for all of mankind and until the day of judgement. Timeless. No such thing as a secular Muslim either you are a Muslim or not and that is a matter between you and Allah SWT.
My definition of a "Secular Muslim" is different. First of all, for me a _"Secular Muslim" _*_is not_*_ necessarily someone who believe that the "Creator wasn't sufficient enough to create laws that organises human society."_ Rather *_a "Secular Muslim" is a believer who believes in the separation of the Church and the State, i.e. that the State and politics shouldn't get involved in the imposition, enforcement, practice or interpretation of any particular religion and it should stay completely neutral vis-a-vis religion and religious issues and provide equal protection, safety and space to every single individual citizen irrespective of his/her religious views, persuasion or lack thereof and guarantees all his/her individual freedoms and rights, including freedom of conscience, speech, thought and the ability to practice his/her own belief or his/her own take on these issues as long as they do not obstruct other fellow citizens from doing the same._* Whether or not someone _"believes"_ that "Creator wasn't sufficient enough to create laws that organises human society" is a different issue and merely a personal view which the individual is entitled to hold.. Secularism is about the State and its laws, principles and policies and that its position should be completely neutral on any such personal or group views and beliefs. I think this is the best safeguard for all citizens - religious and non-religious alike and especially for the religious from their religion getting corrupted or hijacked by unscrupulous religious or religio-political demagogues, charlatans, fanatics, fascists, totalitarians, terrorists and by the simply wrong.
Interestingly God's laws changed even within the timespan of a single revelation (the 23 years of the Qur'an) let alone from revelation to revelation. Lots of dogmatism in dealing with an issue that is way more complex than most would like it to be.
Yet you and others ignore the fact that MANY religious Muslim scholars, especially since the 19th century, have called for the separation of religion and politics. Who are these scholars? Google names like Mustafa Fazil (19th century), Abd-al-Rahman al-Kawakibi (died 1902), Ali Abdel Raziq (died 1966), Khalid Muhammad Khalid (1920-1996), Taha Hussein (died 1973), to name but a few. Before the 19th century, several Muslim scholars had made similar calls such as Al-Bayhaqi (994-1066), Dhiya’ al-Din Barani (c. 1285-c. 1357), and Qadi Sa’id Qumi (died 1691). Al-Kawakibi called for the separation of religion and politics “because the vigorous nations have progressed only after isolating religious affairs from worldly affairs and turning religion into a matter of conscience only, which has nothing to do with worldly issues that operate according to the laws of nature.” In his 1925 book Islam and the Foundations of Governance, Ali Abdel Raziq argued that “all political functions are left to us, our reason, its judgements and political principles. Religion...neither commands nor forbids [such things], it simply leaves them to us so that in respect of them we have recourse to the laws of reason, the experience of nations and the rules of politics.” In his book From Here We Start, published in 1950, Khalid Muhammad Khalid wrote: “We should keep in mind that religion ought to be what God wanted it to be: prophecy, not kingdom; guidance, not government; and preaching, not political rule. The best we can do to keep religion clean and pure is to separate it from politics and to place it above [politics]. The separation between religion and the state contributes to keeping religion [free of] the shortcomings of the state and its arbitrariness." What is interesting is that even in the 14th century, Dhiya’ al-Din Barani (c. 1285-c. 1357), a political thinker of the Delhi Sultanate, saw a direct clash between religion and state, stressing that religion requires the ruler lead a life of poverty and sacrifice while kingship involves a life of luxury. He concluded that "prophethood and kingship...are opposed and contradictory to each other, and their combination is not within the bounds of possibility." Persian philosopher Qadi Sa’id Qumi opined that Prophet Muhammad was “a servant-prophet, not a king-prophet.” Wise words by great scholars who wanted to save the Muslim nation from its intellectual, moral, political, and economic crisis.
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. Surah Baqarah 256
Our leader Quaid e Azam jinnah was an Islamic leader who follows islam and his teachers were also ulama of that time. But he made a Hindu his law Minister he said every rule will be Islamic but will be equality between every nation... Is it allowed to give equal opportunities to non Muslim?❤ 🇵🇰
@@MDVaashir bro it's upon government. Muslim rulers eradicated jizya for non Muslims.. these non Muslims are called non zimmi . 2nd you used word totally wrong for jinnah don't be blind in your thoughts.. you have to improve your critical reasoning
@@MDVaashirdude don't say that, we Muslims are fighting for equal rights in the name of secularism in India and European countries. What should we do now? You tell a solution for that?
33:36 It is not for a believing man or woman-when Allah and His Messenger decree a matter-to have any other choice in that matter. Indeed, whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has clearly gone ˹far˺ astray.
There is no such a thing as a “secular Muslim” it’s a contradiction in terms. You can’t be a Muslim and secular.
It’s like a Vegetarian who eats 🥩
Today war is peace and ignorance is strength Words are losing meaning.
Munafiq is the word for it
Being non secular is a contradiction god can't organise society when it is constantly changing no matter how powerful god is.
Sharia man made law has nothing to do with the Quran.
Sadly secularism is rife in Bangladesh which is 90% approx. Muslim. As a Bengali I feel worried and somewhat ashamed.
May ALLAH ﷻ guide Ummah of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ to the right path so that we can be the light bearers of truth once again & can show others the way of ALLAH ﷻ. Aameen
Secularism is issue of whole ummah irrespective of countries.
These countries that we see are themselves a result of secular division of Khilafah that was the Muslim political unity/order.
May ALLAH ﷻ return Khilafah of mercy among Muslims ummah upon the way of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ & the rightly guided Caliphs ؓ.
Either you are a secular person or a Muslim who follows Allah’s Laws laid down in His Book - Quran. There is no in between- your beliefs as a Muslim is in jeopardy-then .
The same goes for former British colony, like Singapore and Malaysia.
The person who responded has a rainbow flag on their profile like what do we expect lol
Bangladesh since its birth was never an Islamic Country. You can find many practising Muslims here, true, but in essence it was always a secular country. From its education system to juristic system everything has been secular. The prime reason behind it is the 'liberators' of the country from the corrupt discriminating Islamic rulers were themselves corrupt discriminating seculars. And as history is written by vislctorians the bias against Islamic lifestyle has always prevailed in the country
Mashallah. Amazing quote. Perfectly fits on secular muslim.
Salaams Paul, I have always considered myself to be a “secular” Muslim without giving it much thought. Your short video has provided a very deep and thought-provoking quote that has fired up my intellect, Al'ham'du'li'laah:
“A Secular Muslim is someone who believes that the Creator was sufficient enough to set highly calculated Mathematical and Physical Laws that organise Planets in Orbit, but wasn’t sufficient enough to create laws that organise the human society.”
My initial apprehension with your quote was that it applies to me: I have always had the assumption, that I am a “secular Muslim.” However, when I pondered and reflected on your quote, I was then troubled (perhaps by the term “secular”); as a practising Muslim, I fully agree with the first half of your quote, namely:
“A secular Muslim is someone who believes that the Creator was sufficient enough to set highly calculated Mathematical and Physical Laws that organise Planets in Orbit…”
However, (fortunately) the rest of the quote does not apply to me (so, am I a “secular” Muslim?), because I firmly believe, in my heart, mind, body, soul and intellect, that:
-the Quran is the Word of God (Kalaam of Allah, Sub’ha’na’hu wa Ta’a’la)
-The Quran was applicable in the 7th Century, 610-633 AD (23 years of Revelation) as it is applicable today in 2023, as it will be applicable in a million years from today until the Day of Qi’ya’mah
-The Word of Allah (Sub’ha’na’hu wa Ta’a’la) can never be wrong, nor can it change. In the same way, that Gravity was the same in the 7th Century, as it is today in the 21st Century, as it will remain the same in the millionth century. Gravity does not change: similarly, the Word of God does not change. We as human beings and Muslims have to adapt and change to fit within the God-Given Laws. This change is difficult. The discomfort is the resistance to the Divine Will: Peace (salaam; Islam, Muslim) can only be attained when we submit our rebellious questioning will to the Divine Will. The whole purpose of hardship is so that we as feeble human beings can become extraordinary human beings. For surely, diamonds cannot be polished without friction, and character cannot be developed without trials. It was this philosophy, it was the Quran and the sterling and impeccable example (Sunnah) of the Noble and Beloved Nabi (Sal’lal’laa’hu A’lay’hi Was’sal’lam - Peace, Blessings, Mercy and Salutations be upon him), that transformed the rustic and crude desert Bedouin's from dust into diamonds. These very same Sahaba (may Allah be Pleased with them), then went on to conquer the two superpowers of their time: the Persian Empire and the Roman (Byzantine) Empire. The entire ethos of Islam is based on Justice, polished refined manners (wrapped with humility, kindness, selflessness and respect), and character (highest morals, ethics, loyalty and a steady moral compass). The same Quran with its same Laws was understood and applied by the Sahaba, and the same Laws of the Quran can be used today as well as in the future till the Final Hour, to unleash the latent potential within all of us so that we keep striving to be better human beings, through Ih’saan (excellence), and become “diamonds” - this is the duty and goal of a Muslim (Zhikr polishes the heart while love for the Prophet (Sal’lal’laa’hu A’lay’hi Was’sal’lam) with abundant Durood and Salaams, transforms us into outstanding glittering diamonds.
-Ergo, the same Creator who formulated the Laws of Gravity, Newtonian Physics, Thermodynamics, Laws of Planetary and Stellar Motions, and the Laws of Atomic and subatomic particles, including the Laws pertaining to matter, anti-matter, spirit, energy, dark energy and black matter, then that same Creator, most certainly has the Skill, Knowledge and Supreme Intelligence to formulate Laws that govern human society and that govern Mankind, irrespective of the epoch or geographical GPS coordinates in which that human being resides.
-We need to understand that the Supreme Creator, has an Infinite Intellect. We as human beings have a limited and finite intellect. It is impossible for a human being, a mere mortal with a finite intellect, mind and brain, to grasp the Infinite Intellect of a Supreme Being Who is beyond time and space and is (not was) there before-the-before (before the beginning of Time and Space, and is (not will be) there after-the-after, after the end of Time as we understand it. Similarly, the finite human intellect cannot grasp God: Who is God? Chapter 112 gives us a beautiful explanation in a few cryptic verses, but many tomes and volumes can be written on this subject. The key phrase is: “there is none like unto Him.” God does not look like a human in any shape or form and He has no anthropomorphic traits. This tells us, that even if we bring together the best brains of the world, all the architects, designers, gamers, computer experts, CAD (computer aided design graphic artists), robots, algorithms, and produce billions of different understandings or pictures or likenesses of Allah (Sub’ha’na’hu wa Ta’a’la), we will be wrong, by default. The closest understanding we can have of God is that “He is the Light of the Heaven and the Earth.” But “Light” itself is an intellectual dilemma and enigma for the human mind. What kind of a Light? Sunlight? Moonlight? UV light? Neon Light? Star Light? Fluorescent light? Biolumninescent light? Iridescent light? Shimmering Light? Laser Light? Wrong, wrong and wrong again. It is a Light that is beyond Light and beyond the understanding of the limited human intellect since there is “no likeness of Him.” Ergo, the Kalaam of Allah, the Quran, is Pristine, Pure, Impeccable, Faultless, Perfect, Sublime, Majestic and Sacred. It is no wonder that it is called the Fur’qaan: that which distinguishes between right and wrong. In simple terms, the Quran is the Book of the Future: it is the most advanced Book known to Humanity, now and forever. Islam is easy: human beings make it difficult.
In the final analysis: thank you for this thought-provoking quote which made me deeply introspective. I would now say that I am a “modern Muslim” or even a “western-influenced Muslim”, but not a “secular Muslim.” I am modern or western in the sense that I love to wear a suit and tie, I love science, knowledge, space travel, robotics, AI; I love the modern lifestyle and I love the medical, scientific and technological advances, though I am firmly anchored in my deep spiritual love for Islam, Al’ham’du’lil’laah.
I wrongly assumed that “secular” meant “modern.’ However, this was cleared up when I saw the dictionary definition:
“Secular: not connected with religious or spiritual matters.”
In this respect, “secular” refers to someone who is simply Muslim by name but not by actions and deeds. Similarly, there are many Christians who are Christians by name and not by deed. In fact, many Pew Research polls demonstrate that many people who identify as “Christian” do not go to Church, do not read the bible and do not contemplate upon religion or upon the Hereafter or upon their purpose in life.
Thank you for providing us thought-provoking ideas and inspiring life examples, such as your oft-quoted author, Gai Eaton and others.
Keep up the good work. Stay well. Salaams and warmest regards, Dr Ahmed Adam, medical doctor, South Africa
Wa alaikumus salaam! ,
Congratulations for getting awaken!
Aasim, Medical doctor, Telangana.
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If god has no anthropomorphic traits, how come he created mankind from clay? The clay creation myth clearly anthropomorphizes divinity by not letting it say "be", but makes it use a human creative material chosen for properties that allows shapes to be made by hands or tools.
If the quran is "Pristine, Pure, Impeccable, Faultless, Perfect, Sublime, Majestic and Sacred", then how do you explain the immature verses and surahs, like surah at tahrim, surah al jinn or the don't-overstay-dinner verse?
If you're firmly anchored in your deep spiritual love for islam, what would happen to you if you understood that islam is man-made?
@@jesan733 Thank you for your comment. My medical and scientific background (including a post-graduate honours degree in Evolution, under (late) Professor Philip Tobias, Professor Emeritus at the University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg) coupled with my deep love for Islam (from a rational and intellectual perspective) has given me total peace. I am not searching: I have found the Truth. To you be your way, and to me, mine. Stay well.
@@drahmedadamb2bbacktobasics the human ability to extract what's noble from a context and disregard the rest should perhaps be celebrated. After all, it's so much better than some alternatives. Stay well.
Subhanallah! What a brilliant, deep message in a short video! Jazakallah brother Paul!
the diamond analogy is so good
There's an excellent book written by the Tunisian, Muslim scholar Sami Amiri, which tackles this issue of secularism in depth. The book is in Arabic and it's called, "العالمانية طاعون العصر" "Secularism: the plague of the modern age.". The book is in Arabic and hasn't been translated into English yet (hopefully it will be in the future).
Yes , i read that book , quite big , but really amazing , it was recommended by Dr Haitham Tal'at as well , at least every arabic speaker should read that book ,I wich that there will be a translation to this book ,so that our brothers from all around the world can benefit from it. MasaAllah on Dr Sami Amiri work , may Allah protect him for the ummah.
All of Sami Amiri’s books are valuable and wonderful, whether those which are related to atheism, Christianity, or other topics.
I hope this book could get translated soon.❤
@@mohdhafidz6268 Inshallah
I أرجو كتب علفكرة translated into English
Great and important video!
Very relevant video and plausible reply in present time.❤
Here in Indonesia and Malaysia there's a book called Islam and Secularism by a scholar: Prof. SM Naquib Alattas. Hope you can review this too
He has already read that book and quite a few times he has mentioned it too and I too finished it reading couple of months ago.
Jazakom Allah khaira brother
جزاكم الله خيرا أخي الكريم
Thank you Mr. William. Subscribed!
The tweet was very good. My circle also liked it.
Brother Paul, I used to listen your debates when you used to come to speakers corner and debates at that time were better. Pre Covid times
Thankyou for giving me clarity 👍
Secular Muslim is an impossible contradiction.
Perfectly phrased♡. The secular muslim is put forth as the modern mindset by many, opposite to the muslim who wants to apply islam in all aspects of his life. The contradiction in terms is not even noticed by some muslims who marginalize religion to the extreme. The nature of Islam is all encompassing; Allah is Wiise and Miighty and has His plan. The Quran is timeless and eaternal.. We are weak and have restricted understanding: we are in need of guidance.. Makes no sense to leave out God's laws selectively...
Qur'an is always true irrespective of time.
The real problem is that what we call sharia draw heavly from the hadiths that were written 200 years after the death of the prophet, are not 100% true contrary to the quran which is the direct words of God and are specific to certain customs of 7th century arabia.
Furthermore, the quran is not a law book. Its a religious book meant to guide us.
@@skepticalzostrianos9875 Quran is a law,a connstitution ,the economc system ,the foreign relations,the social system as well as a spritual guide.
Rule only belongs to Allah azzawajal not to any *You like chocolate and i like vanilla cult* !
@@skepticalzostrianos9875 The Qur'an were not written 200 years after the death of the prophet ﷺ. They were written since during the time of the Prophet ﷺ. They collected during and after his death.
The Qur'an is preserved the same way, by the same people, the hadith are. No one denies there's false and weak hadiths, however, that supports the system of hadith, there's such intracities in hadith, that to deny the system as a hadith as a whole, you end up denying the reliability of the Qur'an.
Islam is a way of life. Although Qur'an composes a way of life and message to the purpose. Hadith showcases how to enact them, hence why so many people seem to be against it, because it deals with specifics. Specifics that emotionally they don't like.
Islam involves every facet of life, and government is no different.
@@deiov The prophet pubh died at 632 and the earliest collections of hadith texts is Muwatta of Imam Malik that was written in 711-795 so 100-163 years after the death of Mohammed pubh.
During the reign of Umar it was prohibited to write down the ahadith, because Umar ras was afraid that people would give it a highter autority over the quran (whats happening to us rn) and lead people to kufr (hadith aren't 100% true like the quran is).
No one denies the authenticity of the quran, but the hadiths on the other hand... We can doubt the validity of some of them.
Look at the beauty of the quran and its linguistic miracles. It treats diverse subjects in such a unique and exalted manner as is nowhere to be found in any genre of Arabic literature. And then you find some weird shit like this.
Hadith 2:245
Narrated 'Abdullah :
A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, "Satan urinated in his ears."
When you say "Although Qur'an composes a way of life and message to the purpose. Hadith showcases how to enact them, hence why so many people seem to be against it, because it deals with specifics. Specifics that emotionally they don't like."
So you believe that the Creator was sufficient enough to set highly calculated Mathematical and Physical laws that organise Planets in Orbit but wasn’t sufficient enough to create laws that organises the human society *and state it clearly in the quran instead of letting humans collect 200 years later the presupposed actions and statements of the prophet to make up these "islamic" laws*
I'm not a secular muslim, I believe that islamic punishments such as the death penalty for to murderers, rapists and paedophiles have to be applied. But i don't agree with everything the ahadith say. Scholars should review their methodes and discard ahadith that go against the teachings of the quran.
Mashallah!!! that tweet was amazing, indeed it was very thought provoking and humbling
Oh Allah!!! Paul actually saw my comment and even liked it, Alhamdullilah
@@masterostrich8178 sure did :)
@@masterostrich8178 that’s good. Alhamdulillah 😀
This is excellent!
*Sadab Adhit has a rainbow flag besides his name. There is nothing more to say.*
And Swedish flag too 🤮
My Gosh, how unbelievably RELEVANT this video is! Let's spread the word everyone!
Perfectly explained. Alhamdulillah
Sir you have addicted me to your rational epic videos thnx
Mashallah, beautiful explanation
I definitely agree, brother Paul.
May Allah bless you here in this life, and May He reward you in the hereafter.
I love you in Allah, brother Paul ❤️
"Yeah, May be God should need to update the laws of physics to match our needs today starting from 'something can come from nothing'".
May Allah protects us from becoming this complacent.
Thank you Paul. In fact this has been on my mind. Please try to interview Pro Sherman Jackson on what he calls the Islamic Secular.
بارك الله فيك
Hey brother Paul, have you thought about doing more commentaries about current news/events... Would be nice to hear your opinion on some things :)
May Almighty Allah Reward you Best in this Life and in the Hereafter.
Awesome shelves. I really love to have one
As a Bangladeshi Muslim I can say that although our country has 91% Muslim population, secularism is very much a prominent thing. I will say, many of us are very religious but most of us don't really know about the reality of secularism. We are made to feel inferior by secular elite who mock us and demean us and they are constantly pushing to make our country more liberal. This year they have even added and promoted Transgenderism in our 7th class (generally 11-14 years old kids') textbooks and we did nothing. Sadly, we are not aware of the dangers of liberalism. But there is hope as our younger generation are becoming more and more educated about these stuff thanks to social media, youtube and people like you. JZK, brother.
I'm happy to hear Bangladesh is progressing. It's time to exit the man-made 7th century sect.
@@jesan733 Well, do you support Democracy?
What is your definition of progress? What factors are indicators of progress?
You criticize Islam by saying that it is "man made", so maybe you do think "man made" laws are not sufficient for human societies. What would be your solution? I am curious.
@@mheich8659 I do support democracy. I think one aspect of progress is unsubscribing to falsehood. There are many others, of course, but it'd be very strange if a 7th century hoax is the path to good governance and good outcomes. Also I think the statistics show islamic governance doesn't create very good outcomes. Secular-democratic-capitalist governance seems far better. I don't think there are any alternatives to man-made laws because divinities don't seem to exist, or they don't make themselves known to us.
@@jesan733 Then what is your standard of truth regarding laws and governance?
But If you reject Islam because it is from 7th century then you must reject democracy too because it was found in 500 bce.
And whether Islamic claims about divinity is true or not, it is another debate. But why do you criticise its laws for being "man made" when when "Secular-democratic-capitalist" governance is also man made. Again what is your standard of truth regarding this?
Then again there also exists certain assumptions or dogmas in Secularism and Liberalism too. Dogams you have to believe without emipirical proof.
And I would like to see the statistics you are refering to. If the statistics you refer to have Secular Liberal standards of measurements then, sure, Secular Liberal states will do much better in those statistics.
@@mheich8659 we adjust laws and governance according to the findings of social science to optimize outcomes. So the truth tends to guide laws and governance in democratic-secular societies. In islamic societies, fundamental falsehood reduces the extent to which that is done.
I don't reject islam because it's from the 7th century, I'm just pointing out that its age is an explanation for why we can see that its governance is not competitive.
Man-made governance that doesn't pretend to be otherwise has an edge over man-made governance that claims to be divine. The former is more easy to continuously develop.
So what assumptions or dogmas that I have to believe without empirical truth do you find in secularism and liberalism?
Statistics include life expectancy, education, patents, low corruption, happiness, women peace and security, wealth generation, geopolitical power, health, environmental care and more.
The more you study history the more you realize that humans haven't really changed much in 1000's of years
finally i met someone who share's the same opinion as me
totally agree ... 🤝
Pls suggest me some books?
@@arber1919 Austin school on UA-cam, he does lectures, he even does islamic history videos.
Humans might not have, but human societies have.
Human habits, needs and thinking never change at all.
Only the time passes by us.
The best book on secularism / secularization from the Islamic perspective is "Islam and Secularism" by Syed Muhammad Naquib al-Attas. Clearly defined.
3:31 - I fully agree, that it is eternally relevant indeed. I am surprised sometimes at some Muslims, secular Muslims that even have this thinking. Maybe the journey of understanding Islam is yet to be fully fulfilled or they have even begun that journey to understanding the Deen.
Assalumu'alaikom brother Paul jazakum'Allah khayra for this upstanding response these people follow their desires so Ibliss mislead them we pray they get back to the straight path.
As a muslim, I always admire the Quran Surah Al Baqarah verse 208. It is clearly tells us to become a wholehearted Islam and not to follow Syaitan's footsteps. May Allah always bless and guide us all..
Secularism is part and parcel of Islam but Mullahs will always remain in dark workd.
You must be one of those idiot who doesn’t understand Quran asking for secularism in Islam..
Well said. I'd be curious to see what you think of Muhammad Asad's view regarding this issue enunciated in his book, 'The Principles of State and Government in Islam'.
In it, he argues that Shari'ah "is a Divine Ordinance, and as such, duly anticipates the fact of historical evolution, and confronts the believer with no more than a very limited number of broad political principles; beyond that, it leaves a vast field of constitutation-making activity, of governmental methods, and of day-of-day legislation to the ijtihad of the time concerned."
I am still reading the book, but so far, I find his views to be thought-provoking.
He said in his Tafseer that many stories in the Qur'an are parables and not historical
My family is from Bangladesh I was born and raised in Atlanta and I’ve been to Bangladesh more than 10 times each time I went Islam is slowly fading away. More Bengalis in bangladesh are becoming atheists English medium schools are on the rise making the kids forget their beautiful culture. The government are targeting religious scholars in the nation and arresting or persecuting them. LGBTQ+ are slowly creeping in the society as well. Divorce rates are becoming more and more.
How does an increase in Divorce rates signify the fading away of Islamic values ?
Islam allows Talaq unlike Hinduism that prohibits divorce and says marriage is a relationship for 7 janam etc.
Divorce rates are in the rise in Bangladesh because more females in the country are in the work force. It's the rise of feminisim in Bangladesh that's taking them away from Islam. Alot of them is the wives divorcing their husbands because they believe that their husbands are holding them back and not only that zina also is another prime factor
@@MDVaashir Islam ALLOWS for Talaq. But it is not recommended. Also Islam does not force people to stay within a marriage if it does not work at all, but Hinduism does.
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True
But women employment in Bangladesh is the root cause for corrosion of Islamic values.
Love from Bangladesh sir🇧🇩🇧🇩
Salam Br Paul,
Perhaps you can invite scholars to speak on Usul Fiqh, Maqasid and Maxim of fiqh to help the public understand how ijtihad ( juristic reasoning )is regulated and the difference between shariah and fiqh, hukum and fatwas etc.
There are unchangeable laws but Allah also gives room for us to exercise human reasoning in many areas adapting to changes of place and time.
Its like the formula for area of a circle doesnt change, but the radius is a variable that can change the conclusion of the final answer.
Allahualam
Read noor ul anwar for usul e fiqh
You inspire me Brother Paul, to be a better Muslim
Indeed you are a scholar bestowed with the gift of spiritual understanding as spelt out in the Majestic Quran (2:169)
“He gives wisdom1 to whom He wills, and whoever has been given wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those of understanding.”
Encore Prof Williams & take a bow👍👏
May Allah SWT continue to shower you with his righteous guidance so that you can then preach his true message to the world,especially at a time like this when it is desperately needed.
Assalamoalaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatohoo Paul I hope you are in best state of Imaan InshaAllah I Love your channel I've been watching quite a few of your videos and have thoroughly enjoyed them Great work May Allah subhanataala bless you and your family, I would like to recommend someone for you to interview a great spiritual Teacher Sheikh Ahmed Dabbagh Director of Wise life Acedamy and Islamic science's UK Also known as Tareeqa Muhammediya a Prophetic Path
Thanks you
Great point. According to such term, God was not "competent" enough to organize human life at a given time. The brother from Bangladesh thinks of God within our laws and limitations.
But the challenge is to answer an important question: How does Islam address problems knowing that there will be always new problems come up.
The answer is in the Islamic Legal Theory Usul al-Fiqh.
Br. Paul: This topic is worth to be addressed. You can approach Thinking Muslims to suggest some names to address this topic via your platform.
Usul al-Fiqh draw heavily from the ahadith and the custom of medinite people, not the quran istelf that is the word of God. The ahadith are not meant to be an authority in legislations. Even Umar ras prohibited the recordation and reporting of the Sunnah .
It has been narrated on the authority of `Urwah ibn al-Zubayr that when `Umar had intended to record the Holy Sunnah, he consulted the companions of the Holy Prophet, and they advised him to record. For about a month, `Umar set to seek Almighty Allah’s proper guidance in this regard. One morning, after Allah had decided for him, `Umar said,
‘I had intended to record the Holy Sunnah, but I remembered some past nations who applied themselves completely to the items they had written and, as a result, neglected the Book of Almighty Allah. By Allah I swear! I will never allow anything to interfere with the Book of Allah.’1
Yahya ibn Ju`dah narrated that after `Umar ibn al-Khattab had intended to record the Holy Sunnah, he changed his mind and distributed a missive in the countries ordering people to erase any item of the Holy Sunnah that they might have recorded
SubhanAllah 🤍
True this pure contradiction of one's belief system.
Also you can not be a Muslim and secular at the same time. Coz being a Muslim means totally submission to almighty Allah.
May Allah guide that Brother 🙏
as a Bangladeshi Muslim, this is embarrassing. I don't think he represents us : the rainbow flag beside his name says it all
Very good tweet
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "The Mufarridun have gone ahead." He was asked, "Who are the Mufarridun?" He (ﷺ) replied, "Those men and women who frequently celebrate the remembrance of Allah."
[Muslim].
This is why hadeeths can't be trusted.
Islam satisfies the biological and genetic needs of every person bcz God created the people and God created Islam
Mashallah ❤
Assalamualaikum Mr. Paul Williams,
You need to invite Dr. Syed Ali Tawfik Al-Attas again but this time to discuss this topic - secular Muslim. And why not in the next discussion with him, it will be interesting to invite his cousin, Prof. Dr. Syed Farid Alatas, who is a prominent scholar as well.
Your consideration would be greatly appreciated. Wassalam.
Thanks for very informative clip the place from where I belong secular is synonymous with tolerance with other faiths ,and this word is highly cherished among muslim society but to my horror and anguish learnt the true meaning and far extreme of secularism 😢 its reducing or pushing God to back seat and thinking human intellect is enough to guide human civilization now with this new perspective in mind its like new atheist movement In disguise of secular cloack
If you're shaping and molding your Islam to conform to the latest interpretation of liberalism, which is constantly changing every 2 years or so, then your religion is the latest interpretation of liberalism.
There is no such thing as a secular Muslim…. Only believers and non believer’s..
Sura 2:11: And when it is said to them, “Do not cause corruption on the earth,” they say “We are but reformers.”
This stuff remind me about "Some people that cherry pick whatever they like from Quran and ignore that they didn't like" I dont remember the Surah or Ayah. sorry. xd
Salam guys.
Secularism had roots in Judeo-Christian values. What you said is, I think, secularism from the perspective of Kalam or Theology since it deals with the eternality, relevance, and cohesion of God's Law (in Arabic "Shalahul Islam fi kulli zaman"). Other perspective views Secularism as a worldview in which the relevance of religion in life diminish because the Nature is desacralized and disenchanted. It had the taste of nihilistic values that later feed the Postmodernistic idea. For more perspective, I suggest you to read works of Prof. Seyyed Muhammad Naquib Al-Attas: Islam and Secularism and The Prolegomena to the Metaphysics of Islam.
A secular Muslim is the one who is a lay Muslim who thinks that Shariah needs to change with time simply because the West says so. They have more faith in the West (and its ideologies) due to its success than they have in Allah. However, as Muslims, we must believe that worldly success is something Allah has decreed for the disbelievers as this is their only Paradise. As Muslims, it is success in the Hereafter that we are after. And who would not want that success in lieu of this worldly life except a Hypocrite? A secular Muslim is that Hypocrite and some don't even hide it saying they are ex-Muslims or agnostic Muslims :)
This is the issue with you islamist. You would rather forego the proven success of modern institutions in favour of backwards sharia. Look how's that working for the afghans. You islamist are a proven retarding element in society
Lions of Islam in Europe and Americas .
Allahu Akbar .
May God/Allah reward you and us in both this short living world and there in the eternal next life in Paradise seeing his majesty in shaa Allah .
Ameen .
My suggestion about the next guest: Reza Aslan.
So it seems many people associate secularism with something modern 🤔 (or cool i guess).. but the thing is not 'everything' that new is always the best. And that's coming from human, let alone from an entity that's entirely powerful beyond anyone's imagination.
I need help … what is secular Muslim and specifically secular… I can’t get a good meaning of that word, can anyone please explain it to me
Rainbow flag and a Swedish flag, why am i not surprised?
I was born in an Secular Indian Family, Our family practiced bidah and were very secular and not religious. I fell into the hands of progressive leftism and apostasy, as far right in India targeted muslims, and so i saw religion as a cause of friction in society. I was educated myself regarding orthodox Sunni Islam and found most things I thought regarding Islam were just Bid'ah or false information, back then far right Hindu nationalist hated me now my own people hate me to be orthodox practicing muslim..
I hold gratitude for Allah to guide me back to truth, the default deen of mankind. I also thanks individuals like Mohammad Hijab, Uthman Ibn Farooq, Daniel Haqiqajou from muslim skeptic.
I went from Secular to far Libertarianism to conservativism and Now im eternally muslim.
My gram weight of support for secular liberalism was defeated by arguments of muslim skeptic articles and debates.
Now this movement is wide spread in India, making muslims more religious sunni and secular sufism is at a decline. Most Sufi sect in India Wear the mask of Sunni indentity but don't share a inch worth of Islamic structure with Islam.
I feel freed from political influence, Glory be to Lord, Alhamdulillah!
Then why Indian Muslims cry when Indian Hindus become mom secular
3:33 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 👽🌊
Dear Brother, what is your say on hindu mythology or religious beliefs in context of its origin,its differences and similarities with quran.
Hinduism is pure shrik. Because they associate partners with Allah SWT.
Allah SWT can forgive everything, but not Shrik.
The secular muslim is a sqaured circle : what I understood from your last phrase
Brilliant explanation need to get a copy of gai eatons book. Again the Quran explains so called ‘liberal modern Muslim’ “have you seen the one who has taken his own desires as his god”. These people want their cake and eat it, they want paradise know that Islam is truth but do not want to earn it.
I always got the idea that secularism is the rejection of a religious institution but i could be wrong
If you enforce sharia, then where is people’s freedom to choose to do good or bad ? It diminishes their ability to act autonomously and move closer to god by resisting temptations and developing morally. In a secular/liberal societies, muslims can still choose to act in line of sharia … not because they are scared of punishment by humans, but because they want to live in line with God’s wishes. It is arguably a better test of one’s faith.
It is not about testing one's faith. Laws prescribed by Allah ﷻ are infinitely better than any man-made laws.
The idea that freedom is a priority is itself a secular concept. For many people today, they are hurled into struggles so imaginable, that practicing their faith is criminal. Rather than seeking illogical pain to one's self, the sharia is the only way to build a holistic, God-fearing society.
I don't see how this logic isn't apparent in stating that man-made laws, one's not from Allah ﷻ are better.
The religion itself calls for the laws of Allah to be established. You can’t use philosophy to override that.
@@deiov Two points though (you can excuse me if some details are not wholly correct). (1) the Quran does not give a hollistic set of laws regarding Sharia, so Islamic scholars are forced to instead use Hadith and Sunnah to pad out the details... but neither of these are divine revelation, and are vulnerable to human influence (even if you are 90% sure a good Hadith is reliable, you can't be 100% sure), (2) the society of 600AD ish is quite a lot different to nowadays, so with regards to how to regulate new technologies etc, you are forced again to rely on human interpretation (i.e., Islamic scholars rulings based on their interpretation of the 3 above sources) which again, is not divine revelation.
In nutshell secularists believe separating the state from religion, the Christians would say separating church from state, in Islam if any one thinks man made laws are equal to Devine laws he would be considered outside the fold of Islam, just imagine if someone thinks man made law is better than Devine laws!?
Blogging Theology should make videos about sects and beliefs of muslims, it would be really interesting to see
There's tons... have you even looked at his video history?
@@AbdullahMikalRodriguez Really? perhaps I haven't scrolled far enough
@@retrochronic44 I just finished the 2 part 6 hour long video(s) on Ibn Taymiyyah and his Theology. They went DEEP into Ibn Taymiyyah's view of Atharism and Ash'arism and some of the nuances of his Aqeedah. Really interesting.
We need videos that unite muslims whatever their group: ash'aris, hanbalis, soufis, salafis, etc., not sectarian ones to divide them more!
@@al_worshiper6086 in order to achieve unification you have to understand all the viewpoints. Diversity is good. There are only a few groups that are sectarian by nature while the rest of us (Ash'ari's, Athari's, Maturidi's, the 4 schools of Fiqh) are all in agreement and just have different interpretations and understandings but they are not contradictory. Avoiding violence should be the goal.
A big percentage of Muslims in Türkiye are secular Muslims. "Don't mix religion and state! Religion is pure so don't stain it with politics!" I'm not going to lie, this is a very clever way of justifying following your whims and desires.
That tweet seems to presuppose this idea of moral progression which has its roots in ontological naturalistic post modern neo liberal assumptions about the world. Assumptions that say, we are progressing morally which is why it is okay to change things in terms of ethics and morality that govern society. The Sharia of Allah is flexible enough to accomodate different eras since it is based on the pristine condition upon which human beings were born upon. The values are timeless since they came from the Being that is timeless.
The Qur'an heals all ills in society yesterday, today and tomorrow. Allah is not deficient to present his finale message that doesn't address humanity until judgment day.
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From Bangladesh here, Majority Muslims in Bangladesh are very materialistic and even if they don't openly say that they are secular but deep inside they follow secularism because there is worldly benefit. I have meet these kinds of people in Bangladesh, they think having a degree can make them become intellectually superior in all aspects of life, even these degrees are not science related. Most of them are from Arts background, they studied the Bengali Language, Poetry, etc. which are totally not related to science. They are so blinded by their ego that they don't think and read. They will jump into conclusions by reading a few books or two which are totally biased. I have showed evidence to these people before, but for some reason they don't agree, and they don't even have counter arguments.
Reminds me of warning given by prophet himself about muslim within the end of time..
Many of them like food on the plate but with very weak faith 🥺
The idea of secularism is a misnomer. But sure secularism helps create build narratives which in return help politicians.
Praise Allah for the blessings of Islam.
In simpler terms, a secular Muslim is that who wants to be free from Islamic rules of (dos and don’ts), yet he/she still maintains islamic “beliefs” in the heart as long as those beliefs do not require commitments and/or efforts from the servant of God. 😅
Examples: a secular Muslim believes in God (Allah) as the creator and the sender of the messengers to the humanity. He believes in the books of God, angels of God and the hereafter as the day of resurrection. At the same time, he doesn’t find the 5 daily Muslim prayers as compulsory! Claiming that prayers are hearty connection with God. No need to worship God with fasting during the month of Ramadan, because it’s enough for him/her to be kind to other human beings which is the objective of fasting (according to them).
Identifying oneself as "secular muslim" is as true as one identifies oneself being "a g ay straight person".
I always thought of myself as a secular muslim. The statement " God: was not sufficient enough to create laws that organizes the human society." I started to re-question my own identity. The question is not so much that as God is not capable of organizing human life. But who will interpret this to the muslims. The wahabis, The salafis, The sufis, The Shias, The quranists, The scientists, The nation state, The individual, Or Whom. I would like to see some hours devoted to this topic. Who is best to interpret for muslims? This is why i see myself as secularist.
Exactly the same
My suggestion is for you to learn Usul Fiqh - a study of regulating ijtihad( juristic reasoning)
Its a study of extremely sophisticated canonised methodology of deriving laws from the sources of Islam.
Two primary source the Quran and Sunnah and 7 to 8 other reasoning sources that the principle itself is derive frm Quran.
From there we can understand there are things that are beyond change , and the are things there are subjects to changes according to different times, but all are govern by eternal principle.
There are truth that are narrow for example Tauheed , there are truth that are broad ( multiple answers) for example how exactly we move our fingers is solah.
InshaaAllah things will be clear for you.
That's akin to a person rejecting islam entirely because there's so many religions. You judge by what established scholars, sahaba, and the Prophet ﷺ prescribed as ordained by Allah ﷻ.
@@deiov If one has to be a follower of Islam, which is the religion, to be Muslim then Why do Muslims keep claiming Prophet Musa, Isa, Ibrahim, etc... were Muslim?
Note: Be specific. No equivocation, deflection, etc.
Actually paul and my fellow brothers and sisters they are talking about the laws of the torah as they are very old anti modern and does not apply anymore in the modern day and age
Quran Chapter 113: Say [O Prophet], “I seek refuge in the Lord of the space-time split from [the nothingness or the space time rupture or the wormhole in gravity wave] worst effect [on your body e.g., pain, heavy weight on chest] that He created [for transmitting inspiration to your heart at a speed faster than the speed of light] and from the worst of darkness [no space time rupture to reach Allah’s light in your heart, e.g., thought of harming yourself] when it [the no revelation duration] prolongs and from the worst of the blowers who knots [revelation with evil whisper, e.g., corrupting, abusing the revelation] and from the worst of an envier [like the Iblees] when he envies [seeing you receiving the divine truth, e.g., killing, harming you].
wow fascinating words from gai eaton
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me too bro
0:49 looking at his tweet, Bangladeshi flag with Sweden, means born in Bangladesh, lives in secular liberal country Sweden, got brainwashed by the surroundings thus has LGBTQ flag at the very first in twitter handle. a Secular Muslim. The Quote directly hit in the right place. 😂
As God is the ultimate creator, designer and manufacturer of this whole universe and every single living and non living thing on this planet HE knows precisely what best suits, benefits and harms us as humans and revealed his instructions on the Quran.. which I think of the Quran and the Shares law as the customer manual or employee handbook that guide us what to do and how to act and interact within this universe... ... He God is the creator and knows what is best for his creatures.
Shariah doesn't mean law nor is it the word for law in the Arabic.
The Quran has the guidance for all of mankind and until the day of judgement. Timeless. No such thing as a secular Muslim either you are a Muslim or not and that is a matter between you and Allah SWT.
My definition of a "Secular Muslim" is different. First of all, for me a _"Secular Muslim" _*_is not_*_ necessarily someone who believe that the "Creator wasn't sufficient enough to create laws that organises human society."_ Rather *_a "Secular Muslim" is a believer who believes in the separation of the Church and the State, i.e. that the State and politics shouldn't get involved in the imposition, enforcement, practice or interpretation of any particular religion and it should stay completely neutral vis-a-vis religion and religious issues and provide equal protection, safety and space to every single individual citizen irrespective of his/her religious views, persuasion or lack thereof and guarantees all his/her individual freedoms and rights, including freedom of conscience, speech, thought and the ability to practice his/her own belief or his/her own take on these issues as long as they do not obstruct other fellow citizens from doing the same._* Whether or not someone _"believes"_ that "Creator wasn't sufficient enough to create laws that organises human society" is a different issue and merely a personal view which the individual is entitled to hold.. Secularism is about the State and its laws, principles and policies and that its position should be completely neutral on any such personal or group views and beliefs. I think this is the best safeguard for all citizens - religious and non-religious alike and especially for the religious from their religion getting corrupted or hijacked by unscrupulous religious or religio-political demagogues, charlatans, fanatics, fascists, totalitarians, terrorists and by the simply wrong.
Interestingly God's laws changed even within the timespan of a single revelation (the 23 years of the Qur'an) let alone from revelation to revelation.
Lots of dogmatism in dealing with an issue that is way more complex than most would like it to be.
Yet you and others ignore the fact that MANY religious Muslim scholars, especially since the 19th century, have called for the separation of religion and politics. Who are these scholars? Google names like Mustafa Fazil (19th century), Abd-al-Rahman al-Kawakibi (died 1902), Ali Abdel Raziq (died 1966), Khalid Muhammad Khalid (1920-1996), Taha Hussein (died 1973), to name but a few. Before the 19th century, several Muslim scholars had made similar calls such as Al-Bayhaqi (994-1066), Dhiya’ al-Din Barani (c. 1285-c. 1357), and Qadi Sa’id Qumi (died 1691).
Al-Kawakibi called for the separation of religion and politics “because the vigorous nations have progressed only after isolating religious affairs from worldly affairs and turning religion into a matter of conscience only, which has nothing to do with worldly issues that operate according to the laws of nature.”
In his 1925 book Islam and the Foundations of Governance, Ali Abdel Raziq argued that “all political functions are left to us, our reason, its judgements and political principles. Religion...neither commands nor forbids [such things], it simply leaves them to us so that in respect of them we have recourse to the laws of reason, the experience of nations and the rules of politics.”
In his book From Here We Start, published in 1950, Khalid Muhammad Khalid wrote: “We should keep in mind that religion ought to be what God wanted it to be: prophecy, not kingdom; guidance, not government; and preaching, not political rule. The best we can do to keep religion clean and pure is to separate it from politics and to place it above [politics]. The separation between religion and the state contributes to keeping religion [free of] the shortcomings of the state and its arbitrariness."
What is interesting is that even in the 14th century, Dhiya’ al-Din Barani (c. 1285-c. 1357), a political thinker of the Delhi Sultanate, saw a direct clash between religion and state, stressing that religion requires the ruler lead a life of poverty and sacrifice while kingship involves a life of luxury. He concluded that "prophethood and kingship...are opposed and contradictory to each other, and their combination is not within the bounds of possibility." Persian philosopher Qadi Sa’id Qumi opined that Prophet Muhammad was “a servant-prophet, not a king-prophet.”
Wise words by great scholars who wanted to save the Muslim nation from its intellectual, moral, political, and economic crisis.
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
Surah Baqarah 256
Our leader Quaid e Azam jinnah was an Islamic leader who follows islam and his teachers were also ulama of that time. But he made a Hindu his law Minister he said every rule will be Islamic but will be equality between every nation... Is it allowed to give equal opportunities to non Muslim?❤ 🇵🇰
No. Quaid e Azam Jinnah was totally wrong in this aspect.
Allah SWT recommended Jizya from Non-Muslims until they accept the Truth.
@@MDVaashir bro it's upon government. Muslim rulers eradicated jizya for non Muslims.. these non Muslims are called non zimmi . 2nd you used word totally wrong for jinnah don't be blind in your thoughts.. you have to improve your critical reasoning
@@MDVaashirdude don't say that, we Muslims are fighting for equal rights in the name of secularism in India and European countries. What should we do now? You tell a solution for that?
@@SanataniCow chal nikl la🇮🇳
33:36 It is not for a believing man or woman-when Allah and His Messenger decree a matter-to have any other choice in that matter. Indeed, whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has clearly gone ˹far˺ astray.