What Most Misunderstand When You BUILD or BUY A MS460 Motorized Bicycle Engine!
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- Опубліковано 2 вер 2022
- I just get asked these same questions 100's of times! I wanted to explain what piston ring is and why you get it! So many are not understanding that the ms380 & ms460 ar 36mm Stroke Engines by design and using 40mm crank with it is bad and why! Or why some phantom bottom ends don't work others do and so forth when building one!
There is so much bad info on building these! You see many idiots selling these on Yd100 bottom halves and not actually doing what needs to be done to make them run correctly! Then selling them to others people with no clue what they're doing thinking they got a good running engine! The bad information continues another cycle as fact and you see a never ending cycle of failures! Such as the constant crank bearing failures! Not cause of the build! it's cause people don't set them up correctly! Or do off bad info! So before you buy a half wits idea of a ms460 build ask them This:
Did you Use a 38mm crank?
Did you use the correct rod?
Did you take the 78 grams off needed to balance this correctly?
Did you set your timing up correctly to match the Build?
Can you guarantee no piston ring in your build your selling?
Is this a crap brass bushing? or A Quality bronze or needle bearing?
Did you set the clutch up correctly for a 12k rpm Engine?
What bearings are in Case china crap or brand name?
What is Jug lined with? please don't say chrome.... Cringe
Chrome rings?
What plug is in the kits #8 heat range?
I can bet that the build you just bought off the random facebook guy for $350.00! Has a NO to every one of these questions you should ask! So sad the way people in motorized bicycle community screw over others. Half these people selling minarellis and saw builds are confused when they try to use a damn wrench, never mind should be building engines! It was whole reason I started building and selling these while back! Well out of 258 Engines sold so far! Not one of them has came back with error yet to date! This cause of the simple fact I didn't follow stupid google results people post or youtube idiots that hack job everything. The amount of info posted by other cluess people rambling on and on about stuff that does not work in reality is just amazing and always seems to be a select group of Elit idiots as most know them by now online. Which funny all in itself!
Anyhow here is a bunch of the links from this video! They are all in order from how the video posts them! Hope it helps a few with a project there working on! As always! I don't get paid to sell items nor Do I care to! I just post info I find over time that works and what stuff people post is just crazy and want to sort most the bs info spread around by randoms with no clue how make there own builds run. so we don't continue the spread of bad information!
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We call it “piston slap” in the chainsaw community. Certainly not normal.
I've been using the Grubee GT5 cranks (FM80 rod). They're 38mm stroke with a long connecting rod, which is perfect for these saw builds. Nice thick crank webs on them too! I think they're somewhere around 18-19mm thick.
Smart! 👍
I really like the way you teach and explain things . It really helps a lot.I would love to pay You to build me am Motor for me when You get the time. I really like that cross cut clutch plate the most! Got a have that for sure! Your knowledge and Quality of work is very appreciate it .I am a new Subscriber so I have a lot of catching up to do watching your videos. Super nice clean work my friend!👍
Thanks appreciate the compliment 😜👍
i have two bikes with ms 460 one with 54mm the other with 52, and i can really feel the difference and the 54 is a fat tire that is much more heavy than the 52, the power is incredibly much more in the low and mid,,,, top is +or - the same, and i weight 250lbs, you are right,,,, learned a lot from you,,,,thanks
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I got my ms460 dual spark case induction done and upon first ride(s), it blew the cylinder almost completely off. Any tricks to help cylinder stay attached?
ZL rod, ms380 piston, roughly 2mm squish (needs to be less). Any advice is appreciated.
your using wrong piston is why gaps off so far! just use the ms460 piston! The squish would end up exactly perfect then! since ms460 piston is exactly 0.5 mm taller lol! Typical squish values are 1.2- 1.8mm squish. Changing that more you just use a pop up piston ms460 type as well! People put Ms380 pistons in phantoms thinking there the same top end. Phantom is a copy of a MS380 most just don't understand that!
You need to use Stainless Steel tread inserts. 8mm to 6mm tread adaptors not stupid spring type most try use they never hold! www.amazon.com/FZJDSD-8MM-Male-6MM-Female/dp/B09FF74XYR/ref=sr_1_1?crid=5KZU0DT5N85N&keywords=8m+to+6m+thread+adaptors&qid=1676372068&sprefix=8m+to+6m+thread+adaptors%2Caps%2C100&sr=8-1
If you already stripped out the 8mm case stud holes 2 options! Either plug each one with aluminum bar now, drill retap holes! Or you use 3/8 to 1/4 screw inserts. www.amazon.com/Foto-Tech-Convert-Adapter-Ballhead/dp/B00OKYWWMG/ref=sr_1_7?crid=2M6BJ1O06GN6P&keywords=9m+to+6m+thread+adaptors&qid=1676372092&sprefix=9m+to+6m+thread+adaptors%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-7
VERY IMPORTAINT~ IF EITHER 8MM OR 3/8 ARE USED AND HOLD WELL! USE (GREEN LOCTITE THEM INPLACE) THIS WILL GET WORN OR SKETCHS THREADS A HOLDING CHANCE FOR INSERTS TO STAY IN THE ALUMINUM BUT CAN STILL BE REMOVED LATER EASY IF NEEDED! GREEN HELPS BAD THREADS HOLD BETTER! ~FILLER TYPE LOCTITE~
The crank you show at 0:55, what is that corrosion under the shaft? I have the EXACT corrosion under the shaft on the crank half itself. What is it? I can't identify it
that is called poorly cast webs LOL welcome to made in china! actually had to have that crank altered to make up for that casting defect when it was computer balanced. honestly not huge deal unless your tossing it in something going over 7k rpms!
Ms460 uses a 36mm stroke crank.
Yes it's designed for one. ua-cam.com/video/b1b0wk1fH3w/v-deo.html
So if i have a 38mm stroke crank with a the long cennecting rod. I dont need to remove material from the jug? Or use a spacer? Like with the ms660 build.
You remove any material. Or add any on a ms460. Use a yd100 bottom end and oval the top half's holes from 54x50 to 50x50. All the yd100 cranks are 38mm stroke length anyhow.
What website did you get the 10mm wrist pin to 12mm adapter. I need one for my ms460 build
I don't buy them. All 483 of the ms460&660 engines I sold where done like this one lol ua-cam.com/video/ipU32SskAsw/v-deo.html
@@BuildBreakFix i just watched the video but does that spacer come with the top end kit? And if it does which kit is that
You had mentioned before about the right squish for these builds but i don't remember and can't find it
It is 1.6mm to 1.8mm. Very powerful low end engine. But it can drive crazy small sprocket out of the gate. Which makes it fast as hell with a pipe that hits
@@BuildBreakFix cool. I measure anywhere from 1.5 to 1.8 so ill assume im like 1.6 😊
I have a 40t sprocket running 24" heavy duty wheels.
Right now im trying to stuff a 12 volt sla battery up under a banana seat. Trying to get a charging station goin for devices, but i had to run a bottle dynamo. So yeah rectifiers and electronics goin on too whoohoo, fun fun today! 😊
I still need to take my arse to the hardware store to get a lock and chain. No way in hell im gonna leave my bike unlocked outside ghetto apartment complex, lol.
I cant wait to get her going.😊
Whats yhe differance you said theres a 52 mm piston and 54 mm 460 stil
52mm saw builds you can buy cheap eBay. Sadly only sthil sells the 54mm and it's OEM but more priced up. But it was worth it because it's a pure monster
if i'm understanding everything ... a yd100 case and a 38mm stroke crank from a pk80 with a 52mm ms460 cylinder kit would bolt on perfectly with no machining? please correct me if i'm wrong
Ms460 has 50x56mm hole pattern. You need to make ovals 3mm off each side. (Of the jug) use 6m bolts 15mm long and (8m to 6m tread adaptors stainless steel)www.amazon.com/ADAPTERS-Threaded-Reducers-Stainless-Accessory/dp/B09MPZ5J88/ref=asc_df_B09MPZ5J88/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=647246591746&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1181224376159461320&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010577&hvtargid=pla-1953282427889&psc=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqNqkBhDlARIsAFaxvwycn_j_lyuQAmKZD_ydDjzQX_qgTjRboEcGTy8o9xYdfI5X9gNhpL8aAvQxEALw_wcB. Use a chainsaw file or go easy with deburing bit to oval the holes. Look my ms460 playlist. Full timing video in detail
Timing video. ua-cam.com/video/b1b0wk1fH3w/v-deo.html
Kits I was selling pre made. Shows what I mean in detail. ua-cam.com/video/FmNmS6UnIKQ/v-deo.html
Hear a lot of pings and tings and rings in most builds online my favorite answer from them. is well two strokes are supposed to sound like that lol yeah yup and it's supposed to burn when you pee too
LOL i try to explain it to them all constantly lol........ even made a video clear day why and how Cut awat timing video of correct and not correct lol still argue to the death cause the 20 idiots before them with no clue sad so lol! ever notice the loud and keyboard crazies ones that tell you how to do it... Never actually have a running build 90% time lol!
Your videos are always great. You are a good teacher to those of us who are learning
@@mikegamba580 Thanks! 🍺😲👍
I wish I had the money to have you build me a bike like that
I stopped selling the saw builds. To be honest Avenger 85 is identical in power and speed cost you a lot less 😜✌️
Any exp with the phantom 85v3?
Called "Avenger 85". Just a ms460 pretty much. Works great took 2 for a ride was very impressed
They make a big bore kit for the 460. You can bump this up to a 54 mm piston.
already have one! spent like 500$ just bearing on that build lol! Ms660 65mm build i did was rocking 16.7hp on a dyno lol!
@@BuildBreakFix I'd like to see that dyno run
Is that a saw blade clutch plate ?
Yes it's a real saw blade 😆 all my Ms 660 has saw blade clutch plates I sold. This was Ms460 54mn. It was personal build so put one on it as well
@@BuildBreakFix dose it work as cool as it looks ?
@thelongranger55 yes sir works great!
Just get a pk80 and the ms660 big bore and you don’t need to swap a crank or adjust it.
what.... you know I build and sell the SawZilla builds right that people buy for like 2 grand lol? ua-cam.com/users/shortsrGHl3O9ok9o?feature=share
Do you build and sell those ? I'm looking for a great 80cc motor and u seem to know your shit very well .
I was rated as one of the top sellers of MS460 and MS660 builds! sold over 498 in 2022 ms460 alone lol! but will all the shipping bs and stole parts sent from sellers to me and shipping insurance bull crap now since 1 out of 9 would get stolen in transit always in NY, NJ, WA, CA, PA it seems so I said screw that when pallet of yd100 bottom halves shipped from CA was tossed on ground costing me 5 grand for 6 months till ups paid the insurance claim for it.
@@BuildBreakFix 8 ) ended up with a yd 100 on an old swchinn chopper
I absolutely dont recommend the frame i have , lol its a headache to line up , specially wifh the 20×3 inch tire in the back
But its worth it
@@BuildBreakFix lol im gonna go watch ur Bible video for motorized bike i guess now . 498 builds in one year wow , it toook me a month lol
How much for one of these engines and do you have these engines for sell
Not any more to much mail theft these days. Was selling them 475$ but when parts are stolen coming in whole engines stolen going out 50% time in always in transit ca, pa,ct,nj, ny ga, wa gets anoying
8:/10fb6f002cbb6 CA1234 found this bearing for the frankenstien builds. Watch ur videos and have learned alot. Thanks thought this might be useful
I built may of those 460's over 600 now sold them never had one come back yet with blown rod bearing or crank bearing most people bought them where very rough on them LOL
I'm building a frankenstien. I got a free bottom end phantom 85 the case and crank/rod with no bearings on either end of the rod. For 20 bucks I got a makita 73cc concrete saw. Cylinder crank/rod/ 50mm piston.some of the case , Some say 12, 13000 rpms. . I'm a motor nut. There's talk of possibly having bike races here where I live. Don't want to say where just in case it doesn't happen. There still talking about it. But I've got a smart ass in my group of friends and hr wants to race.. I can't loose I'll never hear the end of it. He has a track that we can go to. During the summer nights a bunch of us get together and race. Nothing major but this guy thinks he can buy everything, he's an ass. What can I do with these parts. A stroker frankenstien???? Maybe is it possible?
Great video, call me whatever you guys want but my mix ratio is going between 16 and 20:1 for this engines depending the outside temperature (in the summer in Portugal is reaaaally hot) never had rod crank and piston needle bearings issues apart from what is called normal wear.
Smokes a lot when it's cold yes...
No issues with engine temperature.
I use Castrol power racing 2T