You guys don't yet understand it is not automobile that are getting more expensive. It is the US dollar losing value at a record pace. For example groceries are 40% more expensive and truck is only 25% more expensive. The big Mac value meal is a great measure of the value of the USD. TLDR your money isn't worth what it was 2 years ago. Your job needs to pay 50% more now.
@@Anthony-qq2ue it's definitely not the dollar I'm not sure if you're aware the dollar actually gained value last year at a rapid clip, it's lost some of that,but still higher value.
@@seanthe100 Wrong. You have a lot of learning to do about choosing datasets that fit the narrative in order to lie to the public and steal their life's savings and future labor via inflation
I absolutely love the basic ness of the truck! I like oldschoold gauges and knobs as well as an actual lever for gear changes. it just feels more natural and less distracting for me. I don't want or need screens everywhere and don't have to look away from the road to change the music volume
Seeing a diff locker on a work truck is GREAT. It's about darn time!! Lockers are important and a great selling point. Hopefully this new engine will be a solid platform for the Ford trucks!
@@Bloodcurling my Nissan Frontier pro 4x has a rear locker and is 4 wheel drive..I've been in situations where I was VERY thankful I had that locker. It makes a difference when it gets really nasty 🤷
I drive a 2021 f250 as a work truck, and the diff lock helps in certain situations, but Ford gimped it by making the locker disengage at wheels speeds above 25 mph. 25 mph wheel speed is nothing when you're stuck in snow or mud.
@@patricks.7951 Yeah, kinda like my Nissan, the locker can only be engaged in 4 low 😑 they do make a thing that plugs in the obd port that overrides it 😂 I might need one
That's what you get when city slickers think they need a truck for a family sedan. Add all the nonsense electronic nannies (traction control, stability control, air bags, blind spot warning, pre-collision assist, oh and those stupid drive modes), you end up paying a lot of money for that garbage....that if people were actually taught how to drive none of that crap is needed.
@@bryanthornton6787 I don't really think so....beyond it being way more truck the Section 179 deduction has increased a lot since then too. An even more interesting question is would someone have paid $40,000k+ for this EXACT truck back in 2005 or gone for a $28,000 base model with bad driving / leaf spring front / 5.4L etc etc
I like how manufacturers are finally considering upfitting. We have a '21 Ram 5500 at work. It was great. No messing with cutting holes in the dash to mount switches. Didn't have to fight to tune wires through the firewall. It was all easy access to run wires from a block in the firewall to whatever components you were adding.
I can't wait to see you guys do an Ike Gauntlet Max with this truck. I also look forward to a fuel mileage comparison while towing with a similar diesel. I like the idea of this truck for an occasional heavy tow, and for a camper.
I agree. I have had several ford's and still owe one today. But my 1990 chevy 1500 with the 350 had an under hood organization which was clean and well thought. My beloved Ford 300 6s and my Ford V8 and now a Powerboost look horrible!
This is definitely a size/stability towing vehicle, not a heavy haul towing vehicle. I would love to get one in a dually just to have that extra protection if you have a single blowout
What a freaking mess of wires, hoses, and electronic modules. Ford, please please mandate all your engineers / designers work as mechanics for 3 years before they are allowed to design your trucks. Seriously, with some self discipline and planning, your trucks could be made “works of art under the hood.
Now thats the perfect truck, all the functionalities with none of the frills! Add some wheel well liners, some better tires, bedliner, etc depending on what you need and you're all set.
@@jeffforbes70 52k today is the equivalent to 38K 10 years ago... The dollar isnt worth was it was, so when you look at MSRP pricing its comparable to previous gens. Im not justifying Ford raising MSRPs, but your paying to same as you where 10 years ago for a base super duty
I've had my 2023 F-250 STX crew cab long bed 6.8l for about 2 1/2 weeks now. 4.30 gear ratio with about 1200 miles now. Love the truck so far. Averaging around 14.8 mpg.
20 years ago this truck was $28,000….when you adjust for inflation that’s $43,000 *If* your wages kept up it’s not too out of scope…esp this truck will drive better and tow/haul more
@@tjhva And that is the underlying issue. Most folks' wages haven't kept up with inflation. The average person has much less buying power compared to 20 years ago.
The 6.2 was a good engine. Why they went to the 6.8 with the 7.3 so close I’ll never understand. But Andre you’re right about finally showing some work trucks when luxury trucks are outrageous in price. These trucks make sense. A truck built to do what a truck is supposed to do. Great video! I hope there are more of these real world work trucks for real working people.
@@westeed1 the 6.8 is just a destroked 7.3. It's probably cheaper than running a whole other assembly line for the old 6.2 SOHC. I wonder if the 7.3 will get more power in the future
@@danr9584 because the 6.2 has been proven reliable for 10+ years now, so it’s time to dump it and head to the unknown. I’m sure the 6.8 is a great engine but why reinvent the wheel? Roughly the same power, and mpg….
@@TheAirSofterblaster200 Better emission efficiency would be my guess, EPA requires the emissions to constantly improve. So if they can save money by using the same engine assembly line and get better emissions than the 6.2 then it makes complete sense from their view.
Just a good truck. The new column shifters in the 150 and super duty is very light and dainty feeling. That payload, impressive! The sticker on my 2020 F-250 7.3 XLT Tremor was $53k. Crazy how much prices have changed in just a couple years.
As an Aussie, this thing is basically everything I could ever want in a Ute/Truck. Even as a BASE model, it's got more features than some of the Japanese dual cab utes we have. Deep down I know most industries and tradies would kill for a no-frills Petrol work vehicle, common rail diesel 4 cylinders suck for the average consumer.
I like it! Very simplistic compared to most trucks today! Less is more! The dash is very nice to look at and not a distraction! Probably their plow truck? Like the column shifter too!❤
keeping a physical key is smart for a fleet operation. You don't want Jimmy goin home after night shift with the key in his pocket when Tom needs it in the morning.
Truly love that truck! Compared to other alternative, this is real value. A true Work Horse built to work. It's not a toy. The real stuff. Sometimes you have to pay for professional tools, this is the case.
Just configured a bare basic F250 XL 4x4 with the 6.8L V8, and the only add-on I did was upgrade to the 4.30 axle ratio, came in just under $50k....not too bad, but still expensive for someone like myself that doesn't tow heavy very often....So I'll buy used at some point rather than buying a brand new truck just to sit in the driveway most of the year.
Have a 2024 on order, all base- looking forward to it. And yes I am one of those who asked you to test out a regular truck that normal working types buy. Thank you TFL.
Thank you for finally doing more basic work truck trim reviews. Is it fancy and luxury? No but this is alot more in the line whith what people are going to be driving and purchasing
I would love to see some of the bronco style switches on the steering wheel, or dash switches with the rubberized coverings. Maybe only in the base model or as an all-weather option.. keeps the dirt and grime from between the gaps.
Pretty nice option for 60K? Only if you're using it for business and get a tax write off. The days of the average Joe owning a new HD truck just because they like it are pretty much over.
My '19 Tacoma Pro was $48.5, the '22 F350 (ordered Nov '21) dually, 7.3L, 4WD, extended cab (thank you Ford for keeping the extended cab option), 8ft bed, 4.30 rear end, OTD $68K. Sticker payload 6400lb, max tow 21.2K. Ford did increase the base price by $3K between order and delivery, my dealer honored the original $64K build sheet price. It's my wife's primary, seasonal, camper tow vehicle. It's apples to oranges, love both trucks. The Taco was maxed out for the loaded 4400lb travel trailer she tows, the F350 you barely know it's there.
We will probably end up with these in our rental fleet since our boss is a Ford fan. We typically had Chevy in the mid 2000's due to the rampant 5.4 3-valve engine problems, but the lack of a big block option outside Ford has pushed our fleet back towards Ford recently. Not to mention, it's easy to "prove" a given drivetrain configuration based on large fleet tendencies. Uhaul has kept a fleet of tens of thousands of 6.8L V-10 and now the 7.3L big block engines with little problems.....manintenance is key, too many people blame their truck while simultaneously beating it near to death while deferring proactive service the whole while.
@@daveb1081 Correct, although one could argue it's more of a "medium" block like people do for the FE engines I suppose. It's about the size of a 351W or C.
This was Ford's bet and it's paying off. The 6.8 V10 had it's issues, but was actually pretty dang successful over its 2 decade run, and I've seen many with 400K miles. But it's a massive beast, overhead cams are completely unnecessary, and the split pin crank design and balancer are not nearly as strong as the forged cranks these Godzilla engines are getting. The 6.8 is a fleet owner's wet dream. And I can't wait to throw a pull out 6.8 or 7.3 into my daily driver (panther). 7.3 at $1750 extra is a no brainer to me if I were buying one for myself, but buying 100+ trucks, that's a lot of money saved.
I ordered a 2023 Lariat with the Godzilla. I’m still undecided whether or not I will go through with the purchase. Ordered in December, I got an email last week saying it was built and should be delivered within the next 2-3 weeks. So they must be building some higher trims at this point.
Love the 8' bed. Had one on a 2013 Silverado extended cab 1/2 ton. Filled that bed regularly doing chores on a 2 acre wooded suburban property with mature trees. Would definitely buy a truck like the Ford, perhaps without the snow plow prep and running boards, saving $500.
I have a 2010 Tundra work truck and I love it. I added the factory cruise(plug and play) and different wheels and front seat covers, but the interior is perfect and easy to keep clean when hauling gear and the dogs. Work trucks are what a lot of people want, so hopefully Ford can produce enough of them to meet demands outside of fleets. Get them while you can, because the government is intent on forcing manufacturers to get rid of them.
I don't have any data for this actually occuring here, but I love a solid platform like the 7.3 that then gets detuned down, it's generally a recipe for serious reliability
They're having all sorts of engine problems with that 7.3L unfortunately. Sounds like the 6.8L V8 would be a better option for those who want reliability...400+ Horsepower is more than plenty for towing/hauling needs...the old 7.5L 460 V8 was only rated at 365HP stock, yep they could be tuned, but you'd also have reliability problems as a result...they were built to work all day long without breaking a sweat, that is what you want in a truck, you don't want all that bloated HP and torque to get you into trouble, and it definitely will very quickly. For example that HO diesel puts down 500-600HP and 1,000+ foot pounds of torque....very terrible idea to put a common family sedan driver into for a weekend jaunt to the mountains with their toy hauler. They got all that power, but they don't have the slightest clue how to properly handle it...they get that fancy toy hauler flying down the freeway at 80+mph and quickly find out that truck handles it like it don't exist, but a slight emergency/panic situation and they can't control what happens when they jam on the brake pedal, that mess ain't stopping from that high rate of speed like they think it can and they plow into everything in front of them as a result. 400HP is plenty for most tasks unless you are pulling heavy every day all day long then that HO diesel would be good.
@wildbill23c The 7.3 is one of the most exciting gas engines to come out in years. The internet has a few failures out of hundreds of thousands made tiktok goes crazy now every 7.3 has serious problems lol. There were a few bad lifters put out during covid but talking to delivery drivers and ford techs in my area they all say the engine has been solid no problems. Makes me wonder if alot of this ain't overblown with social media hype. I've heard a few people say this about the lifters but nobody has actually known a real one fail yet just social media feeds. I'm guessing either way the 23 and up models are probably fixed. It's a simple engine design and it's 5th year of production now. For the record never buy the first couple years of anything new I learned that on guns buying new models having trouble. Wait atleast a couple years let the bugs get worked out.
Ans an European seeing a "basic work truck" with a 400+ hp 6.8 PETROL engine is mind blowing: A "basic work truck" for us is something like a van-based cab chassis with a 2.0 L diesel making not much over 100 hp. Different world :)
What's really cool is that the 7.3l v8 comes standard with the XLT trim as does 4 wheel drive! For $50k you get a reg cab 4x4 7.3l v8 with the XLT. The 6.8l v8 is only available in the XL trim. I'm new to the heavy duty truck segment I currently have a gen 1 nissan titan and I want a new superduty as my work truck. I love the current horsepower wars in the truck segment. Nothing like a big V8 in a truck!
You’re right. Their pricing on lower trim levels isn’t outrageous at all. I just got a crew cab long bed 4x4 F250 with 7.3, 4.30 axle and 48 gallon tank for $49,000 after ford employee discount. The sticker was $57,000. It has tons of options. Remote start, tailgate step, bed liner, LED bed lighting, 8” screen with apple car play, auxiliary switches, vinyl seats and floors, sirius xm, dual batteries and alternators, mud flaps, wheel well liners, tinted windows, etc. Everything I wanted and nothing I didn’t. I don’t care about massaging seats. Lol.
@Clifford Montana That's an awesome deal! I'm honestly surprised at the current pricing of the new superduty's. It's going to be difficult for the competitors to be in the same price range. Hopefully the dealers won't mark up these trucks too badly. Enjoy your new superduty I'm looking forward to getting one!
@@aaronkowalewski659 Thanks man! Lots of guys who can’t afford higher trim trucks waste money on fancy stuff they don’t need and will cost WAY more to upkeep. Diesels are a NIGHTMARE outside of warranty and have high maintenance costs. LED headlights and taillights are cool…but they cost 3-4k new…and if they break outside of warranty just ONE headlight can be $1500. Buy an XL with vinyl seats that are almost as nice as leather. The base screen is 8” but poor dudes are paying tons of money to get the fancier 12” screen. Get a drop in bed liner instead of spray in bed liner and save $200. Massaging seats WILL fail, sunroofs WILL leak. Keep it relatively basic and you’re good. I threw badass 20” wheels and tires on my truck and now my “base” truck looks like it costs 100k. People can’t believe that I only paid 55k with the wheels,tires and state tax. I’m going to keep this truck for a decade at least. Get your order in! It costs nothing and there’s almost a year wait. Good luck bro.
@Clifford Montana Thanks! That's exactly how I ordered my Titan in 2008 it's got 376k miles on it. With only basic maintenance. It's as basic as it can be, and you're right. The simpler things are, the less likely they are to break. I plan on doing everything that you described. I'm going this weekend to get my order in! Plus, I still can't believe that an 8" screen is standard! A couple of years ago, that was lariat or higher trim! I appreciate the advice!!
That shifter drives me nuts (in my 2020 F150 work truck), too. No beef and no detents. I'm constantly overshooting and putting it in "M" and swearing while trying to carefully align it on the "D". Usually while trying to leave the gas station, listing to that 3.3L scream.
My 2020 f250 xl with Godzilla was 46k. It's also a crew cab 4x4 with a heavy duty hitch. I keep hearing about the lifter issues but can't seem to find out when those trucks were built that are having problems. I got one of the first ones in the country, ordered it late January so I figure I'm ok. The ones built during covid are likely to have the problems
Thank you, a real work truck at a reasonable price. I know that after drinking the company Kool-Ade you can't admit that selling your Ford was a mistake and have to hope that the new one works out. I work at an ATV dealer for one of my jobs and own none of that brand although I have a dozen that I own and get ridden on my property. My time belongs to me!
@@OBS4ever16 because in 2005 this same truck (F350 / 4x4) was $28,000….adjusted for inflation that’s $43,000 If your wages kept up (not all have) it’s fair all things considered, esp since a base model truck 20 years later will be nicer
I want to like it.. Love my 6.2 6spd truck but having trouble wanting to own something based on a Godzilla with a 10spd.... To many horror stories on reliability and the waits for parts (not that I'm not waiting for parts for the 6.2 either....)
Excellent video Andre! Is this a push rod design like chevy engines and the 7.3 godzilla? Seems like owners say push rod gets better laden mpgs than dual overhead cam engines? I bet you miss your xl!
Kevin Cameron is the guru of engineering here. The whole idea of overhead cams is to reduce reciprocating mass. This in turn allows higher RPM numbers. This is important for small engines that spin above 5000 rpm to make power, like motorcycle engines and small auto engines. That's why the OHC concept was wasted on the Fords and Mopars. These truck engines aren't going to be making very many dragstrip passes so usable power low in the RPM range allows the use of less complicated technology to achieve the desired goal. Funny how the present is returned to the past. The 7.3 is basically a Mopar 440, 6.8 converts to 414.9 cubic inches, still pretty beefy. The Mopar engine here is the 413, which was a smaller bore than the 440, IIRC, but used the same block and crank. Ford used the same block and bore, but like the 351C and the 400, chose to destroke the larger engine.
Exactly. I hope all the manufacturers go bankrupt the way the profit margins are getting ridiculous. Fleets are going to keep their current vehicles longer.
@@mikek5298 Not really... I bought a new 2018 Chevy 1ton 4x4 crewcab LT pretty loaded with options, MSRP was around the same as this basic truck now.. (I'm not going to count the 8K off msrp I got in the spring of 2019).. Just a few short years ago.. I agree with you, prices are not going back.. MFG will never over produce again. Maybe someday their might be value to buy again, I don't see it in the short to medium future. Good luck out there!
@@mikek5298 Bought a work truck in 2000 for 15k it now has 305k miles on it and I still drive it. So what your saying is the cost of these trucks have tripled in price to build in 23 years? Do you think wages have increased enough to cover the increase in consumer goods? I think it is crazy that the manufacturers have let the cost exceed what the average consumer can afford. This is another bailout in the making.
I wonder if they first made the 6.8 as a hybrid option like an superduty alternative to the powerboost but just gave up trying to tidy it up enough to fit an electric motor in their
The thing I miss most is a manual trans. Still rocking a 4 speed granny in my old F250. The next on my list is an A pillar I coild easily see around. These trucks are busy inside.
I ordered a 2023 XLT F350 last Dec. most likely won’t see it till Sept this year. The 2024 will be out by the time I even get it. Ridiculous…so thinking of just keeping what I got.
I’ll probably be ordering a 23 f350 this year and strongly considering this motor but hadn’t seen specs on it anywhere. Thanks for that. Not sure if I want to buy first year of a new motor… but seems like it should be even more durable than the 7.3 as it’s just the same motor destroked.
@@Matticus289 same block and bearings with slightly shorter stroke meaning the pistons don’t travel as far. Little less rotating mass on the same bearing surfaces. Also slightly lower power output on the same parts. Should mean a little less wear.
Thats way to much freaking money for a single cab. Well i mean thats to much for any lower end truck but thanks to the "Pandemic" used and new car prices r insane. This is actually one of my dream trucks and i will most likely not be able to get one for years
Love everything about it, the 6.8L seems like it has great power for a base engine based off of that acceleration run, but the price...Jesus, 52K for a single cab base model with it's entry level engine is insane. My 2011 F-150 5.0L FX4 Supercab was stickered at 40K new and it's a mid trim model. It's 2023 equivalent would likely be 60K+. These price's are insane. But in any case, I look forward to the flogging of the new 6.8L on the Ike Gauntlet. It would be really cool if you guys could get ahold a 6.8L Ford a 6.6L GM and a 6.4L Hemi Ram and do a direct comparison of all of them. Would be interesting to see how the base engines all stack up together.
$52K for a single cab work truck is insane!
You guys don't yet understand it is not automobile that are getting more expensive. It is the US dollar losing value at a record pace. For example groceries are 40% more expensive and truck is only 25% more expensive.
The big Mac value meal is a great measure of the value of the USD.
TLDR your money isn't worth what it was 2 years ago. Your job needs to pay 50% more now.
@@Anthony-qq2ue it's definitely not the dollar I'm not sure if you're aware the dollar actually gained value last year at a rapid clip, it's lost some of that,but still higher value.
But CNN said…
@@seanthe100
Wrong. You have a lot of learning to do about choosing datasets that fit the narrative in order to lie to the public and steal their life's savings and future labor via inflation
@@Anthony-qq2ue "Build back better!"
I absolutely love the basic ness of the truck! I like oldschoold gauges and knobs as well as an actual lever for gear changes. it just feels more natural and less distracting for me. I don't want or need screens everywhere and don't have to look away from the road to change the music volume
Only 50k
Seeing a diff locker on a work truck is GREAT. It's about darn time!! Lockers are important and a great selling point. Hopefully this new engine will be a solid platform for the Ford trucks!
My plumbers 2 wheel drive 2011 super duty has an electronic locker and it’s a basic work truck
For 4x2, absolutely.
For 4x4, not absolutely.
@@Bloodcurling my Nissan Frontier pro 4x has a rear locker and is 4 wheel drive..I've been in situations where I was VERY thankful I had that locker. It makes a difference when it gets really nasty 🤷
I drive a 2021 f250 as a work truck, and the diff lock helps in certain situations, but Ford gimped it by making the locker disengage at wheels speeds above 25 mph. 25 mph wheel speed is nothing when you're stuck in snow or mud.
@@patricks.7951 Yeah, kinda like my Nissan, the locker can only be engaged in 4 low 😑 they do make a thing that plugs in the obd port that overrides it 😂 I might need one
We need more trucks like this across all the brands I love the work trucks
They make em and are a hell of a lot cheaper then 50k that price is disgusting
Single cabs the future bro. Grandpa had it right for getting the job done.
That's $79,000 in Canada with taxes.
($71k pre tax conversion)
They are out of their minds.
😮 I know huh
Trucks are RIDICULOUSLY PRICED these days!!
Probably will only get worse before the go to digital currency
That's what you get when city slickers think they need a truck for a family sedan. Add all the nonsense electronic nannies (traction control, stability control, air bags, blind spot warning, pre-collision assist, oh and those stupid drive modes), you end up paying a lot of money for that garbage....that if people were actually taught how to drive none of that crap is needed.
@@wildbill23c evetually that city slickers will choose electric crappy sedans kinda Camry, Accord lol
I remember being able to get a single cab f250 gas for like $28,000 crazy times
I do like that 6.8 though
That $28,000 would be $43,000 in 2023 dollars
@@tjhva So this truck is still $10K overpriced?
@@bryanthornton6787 I don't really think so....beyond it being way more truck the Section 179 deduction has increased a lot since then too. An even more interesting question is would someone have paid $40,000k+ for this EXACT truck back in 2005 or gone for a $28,000 base model with bad driving / leaf spring front / 5.4L etc etc
@@bryanthornton6787 you get slot more truck for the money…
I like how manufacturers are finally considering upfitting. We have a '21 Ram 5500 at work. It was great. No messing with cutting holes in the dash to mount switches. Didn't have to fight to tune wires through the firewall. It was all easy access to run wires from a block in the firewall to whatever components you were adding.
I’m pretty sure Ford has offered upfitter switches as an option for at least a decade now.
Ford has offered this since at least 2011
@@noahbouchard5155 had them in my 2005
Ya Ford had them since forever
Ford has been doing that for two decades now
I can't wait to see you guys do an Ike Gauntlet Max with this truck. I also look forward to a fuel mileage comparison while towing with a similar diesel. I like the idea of this truck for an occasional heavy tow, and for a camper.
I agree. I have had several ford's and still owe one today. But my 1990 chevy 1500 with the 350 had an under hood organization which was clean and well thought. My beloved Ford 300 6s and my Ford V8 and now a Powerboost look horrible!
Why will not test that amazing F350 against Ranger?? LOL
This is definitely a size/stability towing vehicle, not a heavy haul towing vehicle. I would love to get one in a dually just to have that extra protection if you have a single blowout
What a freaking mess of wires, hoses, and electronic modules. Ford, please please mandate all your engineers / designers work as mechanics for 3 years before they are allowed to design your trucks.
Seriously, with some self discipline and planning, your trucks could be made “works of art under the hood.
@@bret9741 I agree, less is more
A Real Man's Truck With A Regular Cab And 8 Foot Box. Not A Usless 5 Foot Box Made For Carrying Bread.
Now thats the perfect truck, all the functionalities with none of the frills! Add some wheel well liners, some better tires, bedliner, etc depending on what you need and you're all set.
and lower the price to 38k
Maybe if you’re a farmer or municipal worker. Brutal for anything else
@@tombrown03 for anything else, its still fine to me. Its a truck, not a maybach lol.
Trucks are supposed to be for work, want a comfy ride get a car
@@jeffforbes70 52k today is the equivalent to 38K 10 years ago... The dollar isnt worth was it was, so when you look at MSRP pricing its comparable to previous gens. Im not justifying Ford raising MSRPs, but your paying to same as you where 10 years ago for a base super duty
I've had my 2023 F-250 STX crew cab long bed 6.8l for about 2 1/2 weeks now. 4.30 gear ratio with about 1200 miles now. Love the truck so far. Averaging around 14.8 mpg.
Whining noise from trans at idle?
Even it being a "basic" worktruck doesn't mean it's still not to expensive.
😮 still to darn expensive
The mMSRP is up by over 3k over 2022
20 years ago this truck was $28,000….when you adjust for inflation that’s $43,000
*If* your wages kept up it’s not too out of scope…esp this truck will drive better and tow/haul more
@@tjhva And that is the underlying issue. Most folks' wages haven't kept up with inflation. The average person has much less buying power compared to 20 years ago.
Hahaha inflation. Record fuel prices. You name it. You voted for it.
The 6.2 was a good engine. Why they went to the 6.8 with the 7.3 so close I’ll never understand. But Andre you’re right about finally showing some work trucks when luxury trucks are outrageous in price. These trucks make sense. A truck built to do what a truck is supposed to do. Great video! I hope there are more of these real world work trucks for real working people.
The 7.3 is actually still available on the higher end models.
Right? Why would they add another engine. Wasn’t the 7.3 Godzilla good enough?
@@westeed1 the 6.8 is just a destroked 7.3. It's probably cheaper than running a whole other assembly line for the old 6.2 SOHC. I wonder if the 7.3 will get more power in the future
@@danr9584 because the 6.2 has been proven reliable for 10+ years now, so it’s time to dump it and head to the unknown. I’m sure the 6.8 is a great engine but why reinvent the wheel? Roughly the same power, and mpg….
@@TheAirSofterblaster200 Better emission efficiency would be my guess, EPA requires the emissions to constantly improve. So if they can save money by using the same engine assembly line and get better emissions than the 6.2 then it makes complete sense from their view.
Nice configuration, thanks for giving us a look, Andre! 😄
Just a good truck. The new column shifters in the 150 and super duty is very light and dainty feeling. That payload, impressive! The sticker on my 2020 F-250 7.3 XLT Tremor was $53k. Crazy how much prices have changed in just a couple years.
Yup, same here. I’m gonna hold on to that truck for as long as I can!
I bought a 2020 6.7 power stroke lariat with 18k of options for 65k.
@@mikeraftis6332thats so much
Thanks for the 6.8 info TFL! 🙂 Can you report any MPG numbers on the 6.8 ?
As an Aussie, this thing is basically everything I could ever want in a Ute/Truck. Even as a BASE model, it's got more features than some of the Japanese dual cab utes we have. Deep down I know most industries and tradies would kill for a no-frills Petrol work vehicle, common rail diesel 4 cylinders suck for the average consumer.
F350 is a big unit. Damn that things huge
Sad to see the 6.2 go. Been a very reliable engine for me. Hopefully the new ones are just as reliable.
420k on my 6.2 all I've done is change the oil and plugs
Same, really loved that engine but I think this will be a good motor.
Yep I had one with over 200k on it that I never had to do anything to. Just oil, brakes and plugs.
I'm glad to see a switch back to OHV instead of SOHC, I've got a bad taste in my mouth of ford timing chains after the 4.0 and 3.5
6.2 are absolute beasts, great towing mpg for a gasser, plenty of torque and they’re WAY less expensive than the diesels.
Nice to see Ford is standing by their commitment to make the engine compartment of their trucks look like a dog's breakfast.
Might be easier to work on, but looks like dog water.
@@Constabruity Agree. My trucks are dusty mess within months of ownership anyway, not popping the hood at a car show...
Its no LS motor thats for sure.
@@martinlebreton6391 This is a much beefier design than the current SBC offerings, that's for sure.
@@hotshtsr20 well the LS are easy to work on.
This looks like an abortion under the hood.
I like seeing the XL model work truck. Need to see more of them.
6.2l has been a good engine for me. Hope the 6.8l continues the legacy!
Same here. I have 245k on my ‘12 6.2 and it still pulls with no problems.
I like it! Very simplistic compared to most trucks today! Less is more! The dash is very nice to look at and not a distraction! Probably their plow truck? Like the column shifter too!❤
When u pay more for less tho ;)
Probably like 50k too 😂😂😂
I like it. It has a lot of features for a work truck. Everything you need.
love the work truck review! If I were going to buy, I'd wait until 2024 and look for a 2023 on the lot and get a markdown.
keeping a physical key is smart for a fleet operation. You don't want Jimmy goin home after night shift with the key in his pocket when Tom needs it in the morning.
The truck I need! Now if I can find one used in about 3 years. 👍
Truly love that truck! Compared to other alternative, this is real value. A true Work Horse built to work. It's not a toy. The real stuff. Sometimes you have to pay for professional tools, this is the case.
6:15 - I love the exhaust note. One thing I like about my 2011 6.2 V8 F250. It still sounds as good.
Just configured a bare basic F250 XL 4x4 with the 6.8L V8, and the only add-on I did was upgrade to the 4.30 axle ratio, came in just under $50k....not too bad, but still expensive for someone like myself that doesn't tow heavy very often....So I'll buy used at some point rather than buying a brand new truck just to sit in the driveway most of the year.
Not that long ago my wife got a cclb 6.4 hemi optioned up tradesman for $34,900... These new trucks are way too expensive.
Have a 2024 on order, all base- looking forward to it. And yes I am one of those who asked you to test out a regular truck that normal working types buy. Thank you TFL.
Thank you for finally doing more basic work truck trim reviews. Is it fancy and luxury? No but this is alot more in the line whith what people are going to be driving and purchasing
Nice to see an actual key 🔑
I would love to see some of the bronco style switches on the steering wheel, or dash switches with the rubberized coverings. Maybe only in the base model or as an all-weather option.. keeps the dirt and grime from between the gaps.
There should be a net or something over the open space above the glove box to keep things from flying out. The TPU plastic lining won't cut it.
Higher trims have a door over both the top and bottom glove box.
I like the look of the XL front end lights and bumper. More than the high trim with the gross half circles going through the lights
The 6.2 in my 16 survived a very very hard life.
The 23 XL STX is pretty nice option. It’s close to 60000 with the crew cab led headlights fog lights black wheels 360 camera
Terrible prices
Your 100% right and the fx4 is like what its should have stx
Pretty nice option for 60K? Only if you're using it for business and get a tax write off.
The days of the average Joe owning a new HD truck just because they like it are pretty much over.
My '19 Tacoma Pro was $48.5, the '22 F350 (ordered Nov '21) dually, 7.3L, 4WD, extended cab (thank you Ford for keeping the extended cab option), 8ft bed, 4.30 rear end, OTD $68K. Sticker payload 6400lb, max tow 21.2K. Ford did increase the base price by $3K between order and delivery, my dealer honored the original $64K build sheet price. It's my wife's primary, seasonal, camper tow vehicle. It's apples to oranges, love both trucks. The Taco was maxed out for the loaded 4400lb travel trailer she tows, the F350 you barely know it's there.
We will probably end up with these in our rental fleet since our boss is a Ford fan. We typically had Chevy in the mid 2000's due to the rampant 5.4 3-valve engine problems, but the lack of a big block option outside Ford has pushed our fleet back towards Ford recently. Not to mention, it's easy to "prove" a given drivetrain configuration based on large fleet tendencies. Uhaul has kept a fleet of tens of thousands of 6.8L V-10 and now the 7.3L big block engines with little problems.....manintenance is key, too many people blame their truck while simultaneously beating it near to death while deferring proactive service the whole while.
There's no big block, unless there's a small block also
@@Bloodcurling the 6.8 and 7.3 are both small blocks
@@daveb1081 Correct, although one could argue it's more of a "medium" block like people do for the FE engines I suppose. It's about the size of a 351W or C.
This was Ford's bet and it's paying off. The 6.8 V10 had it's issues, but was actually pretty dang successful over its 2 decade run, and I've seen many with 400K miles. But it's a massive beast, overhead cams are completely unnecessary, and the split pin crank design and balancer are not nearly as strong as the forged cranks these Godzilla engines are getting. The 6.8 is a fleet owner's wet dream. And I can't wait to throw a pull out 6.8 or 7.3 into my daily driver (panther). 7.3 at $1750 extra is a no brainer to me if I were buying one for myself, but buying 100+ trucks, that's a lot of money saved.
That is a really nice truck. Has everything you need and nothing you don't. My only issue is the price.
I ordered a 2023 Lariat with the Godzilla. I’m still undecided whether or not I will go through with the purchase. Ordered in December, I got an email last week saying it was built and should be delivered within the next 2-3 weeks. So they must be building some higher trims at this point.
I love that payload guys! Truck campers dream
Even the base models are inflated. Everything has went up but the wages!
excited to get these new trucks in my fleet! Crazy that the XL work truck comes with an 8 inch touchscreen.
Not a bad price for an F-350 with the new 6.8L gasser. Can't wait to see it tow on the Ike. Hopefully a Super Ike.
Good review. Thank you.
Love this channel!
Love the 8' bed. Had one on a 2013 Silverado extended cab 1/2 ton. Filled that bed regularly doing chores on a 2 acre wooded suburban property with mature trees. Would definitely buy a truck like the Ford, perhaps without the snow plow prep and running boards, saving $500.
Now it’s time for you guys to give us a fleet F150 review with the base 3.3 V6. It’s only been out for years now and still no Ike towing test with it
They don't want to become deaf. That thing will scream like a banshee up the IKE.
I have a 2010 Tundra work truck and I love it. I added the factory cruise(plug and play) and different wheels and front seat covers, but the interior is perfect and easy to keep clean when hauling gear and the dogs. Work trucks are what a lot of people want, so hopefully Ford can produce enough of them to meet demands outside of fleets. Get them while you can, because the government is intent on forcing manufacturers to get rid of them.
My dream spec.. Just an honest to goodness truck.
This. But in crew cab, extra short bed, leather everything, 12" infotainment, 20 speakers, 22" rims, and $85,000 😍
"step inside, let's get you into a new truck today."
Now that's a mall hopper for sure..🤣🤣
I don't have any data for this actually occuring here, but I love a solid platform like the 7.3 that then gets detuned down, it's generally a recipe for serious reliability
They're having all sorts of engine problems with that 7.3L unfortunately. Sounds like the 6.8L V8 would be a better option for those who want reliability...400+ Horsepower is more than plenty for towing/hauling needs...the old 7.5L 460 V8 was only rated at 365HP stock, yep they could be tuned, but you'd also have reliability problems as a result...they were built to work all day long without breaking a sweat, that is what you want in a truck, you don't want all that bloated HP and torque to get you into trouble, and it definitely will very quickly. For example that HO diesel puts down 500-600HP and 1,000+ foot pounds of torque....very terrible idea to put a common family sedan driver into for a weekend jaunt to the mountains with their toy hauler. They got all that power, but they don't have the slightest clue how to properly handle it...they get that fancy toy hauler flying down the freeway at 80+mph and quickly find out that truck handles it like it don't exist, but a slight emergency/panic situation and they can't control what happens when they jam on the brake pedal, that mess ain't stopping from that high rate of speed like they think it can and they plow into everything in front of them as a result. 400HP is plenty for most tasks unless you are pulling heavy every day all day long then that HO diesel would be good.
@wildbill23c The 7.3 is one of the most exciting gas engines to come out in years. The internet has a few failures out of hundreds of thousands made tiktok goes crazy now every 7.3 has serious problems lol. There were a few bad lifters put out during covid but talking to delivery drivers and ford techs in my area they all say the engine has been solid no problems. Makes me wonder if alot of this ain't overblown with social media hype. I've heard a few people say this about the lifters but nobody has actually known a real one fail yet just social media feeds. I'm guessing either way the 23 and up models are probably fixed. It's a simple engine design and it's 5th year of production now. For the record never buy the first couple years of anything new I learned that on guns buying new models having trouble. Wait atleast a couple years let the bugs get worked out.
Ans an European seeing a "basic work truck" with a 400+ hp 6.8 PETROL engine is mind blowing: A "basic work truck" for us is something like a van-based cab chassis with a 2.0 L diesel making not much over 100 hp. Different world :)
That's why American's love trucks. That and our gas isn't $9 a gallon.
Awesome enjoyed this one
Dang that’s a dream truck for me I’d absolutely love to own something like that one day!
What's really cool is that the 7.3l v8 comes standard with the XLT trim as does 4 wheel drive! For $50k you get a reg cab 4x4 7.3l v8 with the XLT. The 6.8l v8 is only available in the XL trim. I'm new to the heavy duty truck segment I currently have a gen 1 nissan titan and I want a new superduty as my work truck. I love the current horsepower wars in the truck segment. Nothing like a big V8 in a truck!
You’re right. Their pricing on lower trim levels isn’t outrageous at all. I just got a crew cab long bed 4x4 F250 with 7.3, 4.30 axle and 48 gallon tank for $49,000 after ford employee discount. The sticker was $57,000. It has tons of options. Remote start, tailgate step, bed liner, LED bed lighting, 8” screen with apple car play, auxiliary switches, vinyl seats and floors, sirius xm, dual batteries and alternators, mud flaps, wheel well liners, tinted windows, etc. Everything I wanted and nothing I didn’t. I don’t care about massaging seats. Lol.
@Clifford Montana That's an awesome deal! I'm honestly surprised at the current pricing of the new superduty's. It's going to be difficult for the competitors to be in the same price range. Hopefully the dealers won't mark up these trucks too badly. Enjoy your new superduty I'm looking forward to getting one!
@@aaronkowalewski659 Thanks man! Lots of guys who can’t afford higher trim trucks waste money on fancy stuff they don’t need and will cost WAY more to upkeep. Diesels are a NIGHTMARE outside of warranty and have high maintenance costs. LED headlights and taillights are cool…but they cost 3-4k new…and if they break outside of warranty just ONE headlight can be $1500. Buy an XL with vinyl seats that are almost as nice as leather. The base screen is 8” but poor dudes are paying tons of money to get the fancier 12” screen. Get a drop in bed liner instead of spray in bed liner and save $200. Massaging seats WILL fail, sunroofs WILL leak. Keep it relatively basic and you’re good. I threw badass 20” wheels and tires on my truck and now my “base” truck looks like it costs 100k. People can’t believe that I only paid 55k with the wheels,tires and state tax. I’m going to keep this truck for a decade at least. Get your order in! It costs nothing and there’s almost a year wait. Good luck bro.
@Clifford Montana Thanks! That's exactly how I ordered my Titan in 2008 it's got 376k miles on it. With only basic maintenance. It's as basic as it can be, and you're right. The simpler things are, the less likely they are to break. I plan on doing everything that you described. I'm going this weekend to get my order in! Plus, I still can't believe that an 8" screen is standard! A couple of years ago, that was lariat or higher trim! I appreciate the advice!!
@@aaronkowalewski659 Titans are awesome trucks. The 5.6 is a great motor. Sounds good and fast!
That shifter drives me nuts (in my 2020 F150 work truck), too. No beef and no detents. I'm constantly overshooting and putting it in "M" and swearing while trying to carefully align it on the "D". Usually while trying to leave the gas station, listing to that 3.3L scream.
That's what... ...said. beat you to it
I love it! Let’s see the HO diesel regular cab
I just did a build on their website, I ended up with this price after choosing my options: $66,170
This fleet truck is perfect if you using it specifically for work, but for me I'll just wait for the upper models.
It's refreshing to see a truck like this.
My 2020 f250 xl with Godzilla was 46k. It's also a crew cab 4x4 with a heavy duty hitch. I keep hearing about the lifter issues but can't seem to find out when those trucks were built that are having problems. I got one of the first ones in the country, ordered it late January so I figure I'm ok. The ones built during covid are likely to have the problems
I really do like it. I think Ford is really killing their new design language,… But the price tag is out of this world
Fords got the best trucks
I like the dual alternator/battery, setup.
Great truck!
Looks like its optioned for a landscaping/ plow truck fleet
I would like to see some towing tests with this basic setup truck and the new 6.8l
This is how I’d spec one maybe a 7.3 and prolly different paint. Good looking truck for sure
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Finally a real truck. No heated steering wheel and a key.
Thank you, a real work truck at a reasonable price. I know that after drinking the company Kool-Ade you can't admit that selling your Ford was a mistake and have to hope that the new one works out. I work at an ATV dealer for one of my jobs and own none of that brand although I have a dozen that I own and get ridden on my property. My time belongs to me!
How is $50000 reasonable...
@@OBS4ever16 because in 2005 this same truck (F350 / 4x4) was $28,000….adjusted for inflation that’s $43,000
If your wages kept up (not all have) it’s fair all things considered, esp since a base model truck 20 years later will be nicer
@@OBS4ever16 It's 2023
@@OBS4ever16 It's not.
@@tjhva The problem being that most wages have not kept up with inflation.
I want to like it.. Love my 6.2 6spd truck but having trouble wanting to own something based on a Godzilla with a 10spd.... To many horror stories on reliability and the waits for parts (not that I'm not waiting for parts for the 6.2 either....)
Excellent video Andre! Is this a push rod design like chevy engines and the 7.3 godzilla? Seems like owners say push rod gets better laden mpgs than dual overhead cam engines?
I bet you miss your xl!
Kevin Cameron is the guru of engineering here. The whole idea of overhead cams is to reduce reciprocating mass. This in turn allows higher RPM numbers. This is important for small engines that spin above 5000 rpm to make power, like motorcycle engines and small auto engines. That's why the OHC concept was wasted on the Fords and Mopars.
These truck engines aren't going to be making very many dragstrip passes so usable power low in the RPM range allows the use of less complicated technology to achieve the desired goal.
Funny how the present is returned to the past. The 7.3 is basically a Mopar 440, 6.8 converts to 414.9 cubic inches, still pretty beefy.
The Mopar engine here is the 413, which was a smaller bore than the 440, IIRC, but used the same block and crank. Ford used the same block and bore, but like the 351C and the 400, chose to destroke the larger engine.
Interested in mpg. And if Ford will ever be able to fill orders with the 6.8. Thank you for another great video.
Probably about 15-16 MPG average now.
I've been really curious about this engine.
Same, there's been almost ZERO coverage over it until now. I'm glad to finally get a quick review of it.
Love ❤️ these base trucks 👍
we got one in on monday. they sound epic in person
The axillary switches on an XL is definitely a nice thing to see.
So this is basically taking the place of the V10 that's usually in U-Haul
I’m not certain but I think chassis cab vehicles have the 7.3 as the base offering.
The 7.3L is more a replacement for the V-10. The 6.8L is filling the slot the 6.2L held for the previous decade.
MSRP is 10k to high for this basic 1ton work truck IMO.. I'm so glad, I'm not in this inflated market to buy any vehicle! Good video btw.
You are also living in the 2000s with your opinion on price. Those prices are gone and are NEVER coming back.
@@mikek5298 Where are you living? it's the 2000's right now lmao
Exactly. I hope all the manufacturers go bankrupt the way the profit margins are getting ridiculous. Fleets are going to keep their current vehicles longer.
@@mikek5298 Not really... I bought a new 2018 Chevy 1ton 4x4 crewcab LT pretty loaded with options, MSRP was around the same as this basic truck now.. (I'm not going to count the 8K off msrp I got in the spring of 2019).. Just a few short years ago.. I agree with you, prices are not going back.. MFG will never over produce again. Maybe someday their might be value to buy again, I don't see it in the short to medium future. Good luck out there!
@@mikek5298 Bought a work truck in 2000 for 15k it now has 305k miles on it and I still drive it. So what your saying is the cost of these trucks have tripled in price to build in 23 years? Do you think wages have increased enough to cover the increase in consumer goods? I think it is crazy that the manufacturers have let the cost exceed what the average consumer can afford. This is another bailout in the making.
Love these videos of cheaper work trucks or not to high end trims that are worth as much as a house 🙏
the exhaust sounds quite good o_O
I know form follows function with work trucks, but the proportions of the front end to the standard pickup bed make it look like a buff tadpole.
I like everything but the exterior and price,,,no more than 45k as equiped,,though I suspect their GONA go down in price
52k is insane for a base model truck.
I would love to see a 5 star tune on that motor 😊😊😮😮
I wonder if they first made the 6.8 as a hybrid option like an superduty alternative to the powerboost but just gave up trying to tidy it up enough to fit an electric motor in their
Well those numbers are impressive, if it was only simple and reliable it could be a home run . Maybe a nice simple manual 5 or 6 speed.
The thing I miss most is a manual trans. Still rocking a 4 speed granny in my old F250. The next on my list is an A pillar I coild easily see around. These trucks are busy inside.
Still don’t see the point of this engine when for just a bit extra you could have the 7.3 with more usable hp and torque
Love this truck
I ordered a 2023 XLT F350 last Dec. most likely won’t see it till Sept this year. The 2024 will be out by the time I even get it. Ridiculous…so thinking of just keeping what I got.
will it have the same cam and lifter problems the 7.3L has?
I’ll probably be ordering a 23 f350 this year and strongly considering this motor but hadn’t seen specs on it anywhere. Thanks for that. Not sure if I want to buy first year of a new motor… but seems like it should be even more durable than the 7.3 as it’s just the same motor destroked.
Why would that make it more durable?
The Ford website has a great section that shows all the towing specifications.
@@Matticus289 Engine is less stressed
@@Matticus289 same block and bearings with slightly shorter stroke meaning the pistons don’t travel as far. Little less rotating mass on the same bearing surfaces. Also slightly lower power output on the same parts. Should mean a little less wear.
I used to have 2004 F250 with a 6.8 liter, it was a V10. 310 hp but 425 ft lbs of torque at approx 3k rpm I believe.
Thank you Ford for giving us classic car guys with more modern engines to choose from to do swaps 👍
Thats way to much freaking money for a single cab. Well i mean thats to much for any lower end truck but thanks to the "Pandemic" used and new car prices r insane. This is actually one of my dream trucks and i will most likely not be able to get one for years
Those stimulus checks weren’t free 🎉
@@jasonlarsen3515 Exactly. Thats why we need to get sleepy joe out of office😤
Love everything about it, the 6.8L seems like it has great power for a base engine based off of that acceleration run, but the price...Jesus, 52K for a single cab base model with it's entry level engine is insane. My 2011 F-150 5.0L FX4 Supercab was stickered at 40K new and it's a mid trim model. It's 2023 equivalent would likely be 60K+. These price's are insane. But in any case, I look forward to the flogging of the new 6.8L on the Ike Gauntlet. It would be really cool if you guys could get ahold a 6.8L Ford a 6.6L GM and a 6.4L Hemi Ram and do a direct comparison of all of them. Would be interesting to see how the base engines all stack up together.
love that work truck
Good to see a couple lower trim trucks here recently.