The 2025 Ram HD Trucks May Have a COMPLETELY New Engine & Transmission!
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1:10 New Engines?
4:40 New Transmission?
12:05 Hybrid?
15:01 New Cab?
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New truck owners today are either , “my truck is a luxury cellphone lounge” or “ my truck will pull a house to the Eisenhower Tunnel doing 75 mph and never downshift”. You’ll find both owners in the service area at the dealer.
True, because if your ego is bigger than your personality, you're gonna but the one model with all the bells and whistles.
I want to be a new truck owner in a few years and want to be "the mid teir midsized truck owner". $45K for a Colorado Trail Boss with most options for mid range offroading and towing 6K ibs toy hauler
I see these dimwits all the time 90!mph dragging a boat or camper with bicycle tires and wonder what happened after the crash. Florida and South Carolina just made those lifted pickup illegal .
@@RossMalagarie Toyota tacoma if you’re looking for that off grid or overland rig.
Lol😂
I’ve also heard that Ram and Cummins made a mutual decision to no longer chase power numbers with other manufacturers and focus more on the engines exhaust brake, efficiency, durability and adaptability. I think that’s very smart. I hope it’s all true.
If true, that would be great. Who actually pulls 40k lbs with these new pickups? Nobody I've ever seen, and I always defend buying for potential capability instead of necessity.
@@JoshAllenberg Farmers/ranchers and hot shot guys tend to pull numbers that high and they are partially the target audience. With oilfield and other industrial settings, most guys can only load everything up to 26k max but the bigger number is kinda reassureance that the truck can be abused harder
@@randomoinkbomb most of the time that I've seen hotshotters or farmers towing super heavy, they go for a 4500 or 5500. Idk if the 3500s having higher ratings will cause them to downgrade their purchases, but I'm sure something other than tow rating will come into consideration
I’ll trade a 1,200 ft-lb engine for a 700 ft-lb 3-million mile engine any day.
Facts, the Cummins 12 and 24 valve is king of longevity
On Medium Duty trucks engines are derated from the factory. Ford gives them 250k mile engine warranty.
The HP/tq isn't what's killing the diesel engines today, it's the emissions systems.
@ShersGarage Ford does not have a 250,000 mile engine warranty, it's 100,000 miles.
Same. All I want is reliable. Period.
Might as well just throw an ISX15 in there and call it good.
But where would you put the truck?
Isx is dogshit newer x15 or older n14
@@user-nr8pi5wg6k haha!! At least I didn’t say the 5.0 Cummins! N14 now that would be amazing
@@user-nr8pi5wg6kx15 is just as bad i had one eat a cam at 300k
@@user-nr8pi5wg6k until you delete the emissions and def she’s a solid motor
a P-Pump swapped 24 valve with a 4 door cab and a 6 speed manual... one can only dream
You can P-Pump a 6.7 😉
@@A1CanvasUpholsteringyes
Diesel electric is THE preferred hybrid!! Locomotives have been doing this for a long time. Quite the marketing potential as well.
I'm 100% more interested in this than any EV
Checkout Edison Motors, if you aren’t aware of them.
Allison is testing these now at the GM proving grounds. 2 speed elect motors for even more range. They will be colossal. Won't even need diesel, gas will recharge it all just fine.
Could be done with a 3-4L I-6 diesel generator. That would be pretty cool. Ramcharger 3500?
Yea, I realized this isn't quite the same thing. A diesel electric motor is actually using a diesel generator to power an electric motor. Anyway, tinkering with these technologies is super cool, but will inevitably become waaaay outside of most folks' price range!
They should bring the manual back!
Not in so ca traffic.
No one bought them. That's why they are no longer offered.
Used G56 Rams are going crazy on value because they're hard to find.
@@williamholman7703 I have the 2008 Ram 4500 dump with the 6-speed manual. Automatics suck period. Then need to offer an Eaton 7 or 8 speed.
Swap in 6 spd yourself
ZF commented a long time ago that 9 or 10 speed transmissions were diminishing returns.
Agree 100 percent. I rented a 2022 F350 to tow a large fifth wheel toy hauler and honestly the ten speed is stupid. Just shifts too much.
Sure makes my old 2001 Ram Cummins seem tame with 235 HP and 460 lb/ft of torque. But never any issues with it when I sold it with 250K miles. My current truck a 2022 GMC Crew Cab with the 3.0 LM2 Duramax and I absolutely love that engine.
@@edwardpate6128 I went from a Cummins to a Hemi and I wanna go back to diesel. Those little LM2’s are quite the engine! I wish Dodge would have offered a better diesel option in their 1/2 tons. The ecodiesel and hockey puck shifter has completely turned me away
Ill still drive my 1st gen cummins with a nv5600 6 speed its simple , reliable and enjoy that old mechanical cummins. They should bring the manuals back.
Please bring manual transmissions back 🙏 simpler and more reliable
They should absolutely bring the manuals back, as long as you're willing to put up the 10s of millions of dollars to develop one suitable for this application.
not cost effective enough. bean counters look at cost to develop and how many are sold.
@@noobasdfjkl they had one up 2018 and it was good enough. just put it back on the market for 3 years and see the sales. if it sales enough, keep it in the lineup, if it don't, then yeah call it a day.
@@CabanonGuitarHero Lol, max torque rating for that manual was 610lb-ft. Mercedes doesn't even make that gearbox anymore. Again, are you willing to put up the millions of dollars so Dodge can buy the rights to it, build a manufacturing facility, and re-engineer the current trucks to accept this transmission? I thought not.
Trending in the right direction. Fix flaws in Cummins, replace the 68. And for all of us we need the DT cab.
issues needed to be fixed inexcusably
1. Grid Heater bolt
2. hydro lifters
the reason theres a standard OP is because the 68 can't handle any power at all. its the SAME engine, just tenued. nothing to do with wanting or needing more power in a HO version. Ram should have got rid of the 68RFE and Aisin in 2019 and went with the ZF like the Hemi HD did. absolutely ridiculous it took this long to get a decent trans.
Things about the powerline: The transmission in both 6th and 8th is using only one planetary set to provide the ratio. That means that unloaded cruising should be that much more efficient, the 10 speed on the other hand overdrives two sets to achieve top gear, slightly less efficient.
Hey guys, could you do us a favor and ask the ZF engineers what they recommend for fluid services on their transmissions.. mopar likes to say “lifetime” fluid which anyone with a brain knows there is no such thing. This is a highly debated topic and using your contacts at ZF it would be great to do a video on this topic. I would really appreciate a response …. Thanks.
Zf does recommend fluid changes ram doesn’t because rams life is 60k miles then they don’t care
@@Bruderoutdoors lot of truth to that statement. As long as it gets past warranty that’s their definition of lifetime… LOL
I would look through BMW forums, because the ZF 8HP is used in every RWD/AWD application since >10 years.
There is an official fluid called "ZF Lifeguard Fluid 8" available in Germany, dont know about your location.
Depends on the type of driving you do. Maintenance frequency is stated in the owners manual
@@tsd560ti6 thanks for the advice. That’s a great idea.
Watching a lot of your towing vehicles in have noticed that a lot of trucks with 10 speed transmissions do not perform well on the downhill portion when your are trying to rely on engine braking to maintain your speed. At will be interesting to see how this engine and tranny performs on the downhill.
I think that's mostly because they dont manually shift it. I get their rationale for seeing differences in stock programming, but at the same time anyone towing should be familiar with manual control and the benefits it has for towing.
I don’t think this has been true on the diesels with exhaust brakes. TfL often doesn’t use cruise or manual shifting either which would often solve the issue where present.
They all perform “well”, better than a few years ago for sure, and some are better than others.
Well the 68 rfe was designed for a minivan. That’s probably why you see this dimwits stuck along the freeway with burned up transmissions. Towing weight for a passenger vehicle is not good. Never designed for it.
Ive found that even in a 2016 silverado 2500 with the duramax down, shifting the transmission helps tremendously with the exhaust brake
Limited will be 150k Canadian Probably
Already that much... Looked at one, 122k before taxes... So add about 15k to that, then finance it... 160k truck all day.
The current model 2500/3500 Laramie is around $191 000 Aus in Australia .
Unless you own a successful roofing company, who's dropping 160k?
I’d be happy with a 160 hp Cummins and a manual transmission. It would be nice if truck manufacturers would make a “work truck” option along with their soccer dad options.
Boy how times have changed, I remember the first time the HO Cummins was available, in 2001, you could only get it with the NV5600 and that was 2500 or 3500
I had a 2001 with the HO and NV5600. What a great truck it was. Sold it, and it's still on the road with about 480000km on it now
ZF already has a plant in South Carolina.
Yep.
I worked on that plant!
Yess they do but they can't build the transmissions like we do or the quantity we do, we build all their 8 speed and 9 speed here in Indiana
Good stuff. As far as a cab update, if it isnt broke, why fix it. Ram has had class leading interiors for a long time. Their cab dimensions allow for excellent room inside. I think refresh is fine. Why waste money and just exactly what would you try and fix?
They just Can switch the ram HDs to the new cab already in use in the 1500. It is more roomy. Cost is not much as it is already being made /used in the 1500s for several years.
The new cab on 1500 is much larger than
@@kennethobando5755 This might be a good idea, but remember that for room, they have the megacab. I sold my megacab as the overall length was a pain in tight situations. My HD cab is roomy enough. I would not want to compromise bed length or make a longer truck to accomodate a bigger cab. Just personal preference.
Ford has better seats than Dodge.
We have Ford and Dodge 5500 and the Ford's are nicer to Drive. Only problem is that the Ford's break down all of the time.
@@488ci Ram have had THE industry standard interior for a half decade
Lower HP, fewer gears, 6-8 is ideal. Remember the KISS method. That’s what makes things last.
In the 6 seater crew cab configuration, Ram needs to figure out foot and shin/knee space on the front middle seat. I just got a new work truck and after realizing neither my feet nor my wife’s feet (she has small feet) fit between the dash and the little tray below the front of the seat and our shins/knees were right up against the infotainment system, I passed over the Ram and went with a different brand. I know that might seem small and knit picky but I feel like if you need 6 seats in a crew cab like we do with 4 kids, you want them all to be useable and comfortable without putting your feet and legs in super awkward positions, even if that front middle seat is hard to make very comfortable. I hope they improve this on the next gen as I know it’s better in the competing brands. I think the ZF 8 speed will be a great option to be paired with the Cummins and look forward to hearing how that pairing works in the real world in future tests and videos.
we went with a Ford for the same reason. Another thing Ram has to improve on other than leg room is adding a 3 point seatbelt for that seat. Ford and GM have a 3 point while the Ram still uses a manual adjusting lap belt from the 1960s.
So Hemi lives on?
Hope so
Yeah, that wasn’t clear to me either
Yes unless they have been doing a good job at hiding an entirely new engine thats just for the trucks
Cummins don't need 10 speeds with where the torque curve is. V8s like more gears since they rev higher.
I think it's still beneficial from an emissions and fuel economy standpoint. Diesels have a smaller rpm band to work with, and while they can technically pull fine almost anywhere within that, having finer control can help out.
With that logic semis don’t need 18 speeds
@@ALMX5DP Like with electric motors, you don't necessary gain more control with more gears. Every time a transmission shifts, you create slip and loads and brief power skip that robs efficient power delivery. Beyond that, you also add complexity and weight. At some point, more gears just become diminished returns.
And a small power band is exactly why you don't want more gears. The Cummins engine revs up to 3,000-ish RPM, but the meat of Cummins power band is even narrower, coming in at 1,600 RPM and dropping off at about 2,400 RPM. That's an 800 RPM window! How many gears can make you use of an 800 RPM??
This is not a Honda engine that revs to 9,000 RPM and where the peak of the power curve is in a completely different spot from the peak of the efficiency curve. A Cummins 6.7 is basically a low RPM tractor engine. It's designed to lug and work at steady load and low RPM. It does not need many gears to maintain peak efficiency.
@@justin_steen semi also only has like 1000 rpm gap from idle to redline, and are rated for twice the weight of the ram, and commonly have a higher gearing in the axles.
@@justin_steen That's not using the same logic. Semis might have plenty of low-end torque to use, but they also haul 80,000 pounds and have the aerodynamics of a house. They would make use of more ratios purely because they have more work to do.
If you put a semi engine in your minivan, then you wouldn't need 18 speeds.
are they gonna fix the grid heater problem or leave that ticking timebomb there?
A great question.
When is the 2025 Ram 1500 Hurricane Ike Gauntlet videos coming?
We published a Hurricane Ike on the 2025 Ram 1500 Rebel.
They did it at the begining of june and its coolant temp hit 249*F on a 59*F day.
They never posted it on their website, just UA-cam.
@@TFLtruck Why didnt you ever post that video on your website?
Great video as always. I truly believe that heavy duty trucks don’t need more than eight speed transmission.
I hope that they decide on a 290 Cummins with a 5X4 transmission.
My Nissan Frontier has the 9 speed, and I do all my highway driving in 8th gear. If I use 9th gear, it's constantly shifting, 8th gear is much better, and I still only turn 2000rpm at 70mph, and get 23mpg. I think manufacturers sacrifice drivability for an extra mpg.
This ZF 8HP automatic transmission is a gold nugget..... It`s used in Range Rover, VW Amarok, Jaguar and almost all BMW..... Not sure about Rolls Royce but I guess too.
With a power output is really nice then you can have a lot of extra on the work truck.
Different transmission. Chrysler has been using the ZF since what, 2012? That’s similar to what is used in everything you mentioned. A decade plus in use.
This is entirely different.
Zf8hp is also in jeep, but the zf870 is thr newer iteration
@@Tallnerdyguyjeep is a part of chrysler genius😂😂😂
@@wyo_garage20 Okay, new for me..... thanks
@@Tallnerdyguy Okay, new for me..... thanks
But that is only for the gasoline engine, like V8!!..... There is a Chrysler automatic in the diesel jeep at least the older one.
Now your talking diesel hybrid would be best of all worlds.
I see you have the 12”x12” foam squares for sound treating the room.
I had those for a while too.
You should look into making some rock wool panels. Huge, huge, huge improvement from the foam squares.
The foam squares made a minute difference. But 1 diy rock wool panel did more than an entire wall of foam squares
Gimme that Powerline!!!!!
Got my popcorn ready..
I’d say Ford definitely needs to update its 10 speed transmission since the hotshot guys are having lots of issues with them after 80,000 miles
As for the future hybrid option, by 2027 Eaton will have a 48V mild hybrid option available for semi trucks. They already have a close collab here, as all trucks ordered with a Cummins get Eaton transmissions
IMO we'll see something similar for ALL HD trucks soon thereafter
Have you heard of 'Edison motors' ? They've already built a hybrid semi and patented builds. They even do pick up truck kits. Go check them out
Its not a mild hybrid. Someone told you a fun bag of BS.
Who doesn't want more power? - Everyone who can count money. Silly question. We aren't talking about drag race fancy cars - we are talking about work trucks guys. Remember this!
I'm looking forward to seeing the new set up
I can certainly see how with a 9+ gear transmission your gains will start to be smaller and smaller considering the increased cost and complexity that extra gears brings in.
That’s why I’m not buying a new Ram HD the cab is much smaller than the competitors unless you get the MegaCab but you still don’t get a flat floor like their 1/2 pickups have. I’m still hopeful that they change it soon.
Am looking at ZF transmission right now lol thy have built transmissions for years for tractors
ZF have been making reliable transmissions for all sorts of vehicles in Europe for donkeys years, tractors, lorries,vans,cars , there's some with ZF's in there.
I build these engines for a living. It's so much fun seeing these new trucks and others that I've likely had a hand in building the engine.
How about the 2025 Ramcharger plug-in hybrid?
Is there any more info on it?
They need a Mega Cab with an 8 foot box!!!
No, they need a proline van with an extra 8 foot bed added to the end; the perfect vehicle.
You’d never fit one in a parking space.
@@rapmeister1000people who drive a mega cab don’t mind parking out in the boonies and taking up two spaces to get a bigger bed we all want a bigger bed on that truck and I always park way out anyway because the truck is already hard to park and I’ve had a mega cab since 2008 I daily drive
@@Justthemow I own a 2015 Mega Cab. It sticks out of regular parking spaces as is. There isn’t always 2 parking spaces to take up, & in some places they will ticket and tow you for doing so. There are garages I have to park in where one with an 8’ bed would not fit, like when I go to the VA hospital.
So no, we all don’t want the longer bed. What I see as the better option, would be a mid gate.
A mega cab long bed is actually too long for a standard vehicle. It falls into the commercial category so it’s a bit complicated.
Wow that be so cool I would definitely go buy one
I wonder if either of these guys ever worked for a living
You guys keep falling for the number of gears makes the best transmission. Several transmission studies showed 8 speeds are better than 10 plus. That's why ram originally went with an 8 speed vs 10 years ago because zf and 2 other transmission companies said more than 8 can cause more heat and potentially make the transmission constantly hunt which I've seen in our work trucks
As I recall ZF made transmission for Chrysler in 1960, They made a 4 spd trans for the Chrysler 300 F.
That transmission came from Pont-a-Mousan, a French company. Only a handful of 300Fs were made with that tranny.
I don't want a new diesel unless it has the emission system removed.
Then you just won’t have a new diesel because emissions requirements aren’t going away anytime soon
Will never happen
Toyota still builds 70 series Land Cruisers with a mechanical injection naturally aspirated Diesel in markets with lax emissions standards
And I don't want a new gasoline car unless it's carburated.
Funnily enough, the emissions system is probably the only thing my dad hasnt had a problem with on his 21 f250. 😂
Will the average recreational tower realize a difference between 1000lb-ft and 1200lb-ft towing their 8k TT? I doubt it.
I currently have the ZF in a 2500 w/6.4 Hemi and love the tranny vs the RFE. In 2025/26 I will be looking to get a 5500/550 and will not be looking at diesel (been there done that, not again). Is there any info on the CA offerings for gas? I am hoping that RAM offers the Cummins gasoline engine as an option. I am a RAM boy from way back and it would be sad to eliminate RAM from consideration.
Will there also be an option for a self-lifting cab in order to reduce maintenance and repair costs?
all good
I have said this for several years now: I would sooner buy a battery-hybrid truck than an all-electric truck. Even if the battery could only get me a few miles of all-electric range, that kind of system would quickly add up to save me money on my short trips and short days.
It's very nice,
Ram needs to get a longer standard bed to keep up with the competition. 6’4” isn’t enough and 8’ is too much sometimes. Gotta get a 6’10 bed or something
11:00 how insane are today's heavy duty diesels that 1400nm/1050lb-ft isn't considered that much. 🤯
I gotta say I have a 21’ 6.4 2500 and a 23’ Cummins 2500 and the ZF trans in the 6.4 is so much better than the 68RFE
I thing Paccar TX-8 is also for ZF?
10 speeds are a gift from God. They're always in the powerband.
All of the big 3 really need to bring back a 5 or 6 speed manual transmission. These automatics are getting way too complex.
Never will make a comeback - the clutch and transmission yo hold that torque will have a heavy clutch and not be a nice smooth, quite transmission- features a automatic has. Plus not enough demand for a manual transmission.
@@kennethobando5755 disappointing but absolutely all true. Hardley any demand at all. Thats why my newest truck is a 2000.
No demand because there isnt one 😂😂 🤡🤡🤡@@kennethobando5755
The autos are superior in nearly every way
The sell rate on manual transmissions, when they were available, was UNDER 1%. So, you think a manufacturer should waste money on an extremely low-volume option? Why?
Bring back manuals!
We want manuals back
and this is why i drive my 96 f350 7.3... it runs drives does everything i need its cheap.
I don't haul enough to replace my 1995 2500 12 valve unfortunately, which is probably a good thing 😜
12:01 it could also work the other way and have a limited power adder via an electric motor. just something to give the vehicle some response while the boost is building.
a decently easy addition is the vehicle already has 48 volt architecture.
In the pic of the rear of the 25 truck WAS that a Canadian plate I see?
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"Keep increasing HP/TQ numbers, consumers will keep buying!" - OEMs
"I gotta buy it!" - Consumers
Paccar is using the Powerline, labeled as TX8, in Kenworth and Peterbilt medium and medium-heavy trucks.
Have they fixed that heater grid bolt failure on new trucks?
8 speeds is enough for the Cummins engine. The thing that struck me as awesome is the Down speeding capabilities. That one reason Semi Trucks are getting better mpg today. Pulling heavy loads it will be huge
RAM is killin it!!! 🏆👍👏🏻👏🏻
lol
Ram is killed for sure 🤣
No Stellantis is killing Ram!
Ram is the nest truck out there hands down, ford's are absolutely hideous and chevys look just like a Toyota, everyone always trying to copy what mopar does
One of the biggest things I noticed about the ZF is that it is capable of downspeeding. I the new Cummins is downsped in a similar way to the X15 , it could mean some significant increases in efficiency.
How does that 6.4 hemi do
The new Cummins needs to be 500/1200. With the 8 speed it will be a monster
Where does it end ? 30 speed? Truck market is out of control
How about an 8 speed auto, with a 2 speed rear axle. Sounds like fun, doesn't it?😅
Expect a cab update 2027 when they have to redesign the firewall to fit the all new Cummins platform.
This kid looks like a younger version of mr Haney in ( green acres ) 😂😂😂😂 old show
Only good thing about my short lived ownership of a Rebel 1500 was the transmission. Rest of the truck was absolute trash.
Do we know if this go around of 2500^ are moving to official 5th Gen yet?
Seeing as the 2019-2024 2500^ were 4.5th gens?
The engine torque numbers can exceeding the transmission rating means the engine will be capable of operating all the accessories, and big-azz cooling fan, while still providing the full torque to the transmission. At all times the engine will be limited to provide no more that the trans rating.
When you do the MPG loops, if you use Premium, you will definitely see even more improvement in fuel mileage! Guaranteed!!!
The cab is actually 14 years old at this point. Came out in 2010.
Tom cruise is on the podcast again!! Truly amazing!
Heck yea !
@@TFLtrucklol awesome!
If you're tow heavy then the more gears the better, that's why heavy trucks have 18 speed transmissions .
How do u guys like the 6.4 engine in the 2500
I have many in my fleet. They drink fuel. They are still good units but I couldn't imagine driving one as a daily. Fuel mileage is twice a cummins in the real world
Most of the owner reviews I've seen love the engine. The people criticizing it likely have never owned one.
Other than streamlining manufacturing, not much point in giving the 2500 more power for the sake of number chasing since the coil springs pretty much relegate the payload as a heavy half ton. Do people not see what pin weights are on most 5th wheels?
Ram Ecodiesel had 8 speed ZF
When is Ram going to update the cabs on the HD trucks????
Andre says “zed eff” instead of “zee eff”….NOICE!
Probably because he was in Germany recently and that is how you pronounce "ZF" in German - and of course in every English speaking country except the USA.
All the Rams on the Yellowstone show had to have had a positive impact on sales. They could have come out with a new Manual trans and had everyone on there drive it and rekindled the manual trans desire for just alittle longer.
so which other commercial vehicles in Europe use or are going to use this specific new transmission?
As far as I'm aware MAN and Scania use the 8 speeds in their light duty trucks they produce, and they hold up very strong.
Paccar uses in in the US badged as the TX-8 for medium duty trucks.
Will the ZF 8-speed fit on my 6.7?
I’m not a fan of all these higher speed transmissions. I bought a 2024 Chevrolet 2500 gas with the 10 speed Allison BRANDED transmission. Kept it 1 year and had too many issues. Was in the shop 3 times for 29 days. Got rid of it last week. 6 speeds are plenty in my opinion.
What are the gear ratios? I see 4.89-.64
Curious what they are in between
Sounds like its time to buy Stock in ZF transmissions if Ram is going to be using it also
As with any zf/mopar adaptation, make sure to follow the mercedeze maintence schedual.
Before these go into production they should get the banks intake horn to eliminate the bolt failure on the current models.
So overrated. Check it every 100k miles and forget it
They’ve been making the new Powerline trans at the ZF plant in Gray Court for months now, there’s no “may” about it.
The law of diminishing returns applies to almost everything, the advantage in power and efficiency is probably so small the extra complexity and possibility less reliability may not be worthwhile?
Good luck on that
Ya I gasser with a hybrid for downhill performance would be awesome 👌