Former Post Office head 'not proud' of describing 'armoury' used against sub-postmasters at inquiry

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  • Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
  • Rod Ismay, former Head of Product & Branch Accounting at Post Office, is questioned at the Post Office Horizon inquiry.
    Ismay apologies for language used in an email proposing a 'considerable addition to our armoury' in dealing with sub-postmasters.
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  • @errolbaptiste
    @errolbaptiste 7 днів тому +3

    Rod Ismay must go to prison for committing criminality.

  • @Royboy50
    @Royboy50 12 днів тому +123

    You have skeward him there mr Beer ,he should be earmarked for jail time ,it’s really pathetic listening to him try to be so contrite and apologetic what a disgusting excuse for humanity

    • @margaretfitzgerald1489
      @margaretfitzgerald1489 12 днів тому

      Absolutely

    • @MRJERRYCURTIN
      @MRJERRYCURTIN 12 днів тому

      Obnoxious liar

    • @nimuehstorm3103
      @nimuehstorm3103 11 днів тому

      Agreed. Despicable man.

    • @Swaggerlot
      @Swaggerlot 11 днів тому

      Sadly I have no faith in this inquiry doing much. The behaviour of most of the people involved was EXACTLY what I would have expected from government employees in the same circumstances. Lets also look more at the high level barristers and beyond the inquiry itself at the judges, yes the judges, who were delinquent in allowing POL to get away with what they did. Take the focus off the minions who were neither qualified nor equipped.

    • @carefreemc1445
      @carefreemc1445 11 днів тому

      ​@@Swaggerlotwe all know it won't though will we! Delinquent is the exact word!

  • @stephenpatterson5134
    @stephenpatterson5134 12 днів тому +50

    Bring on the criminal charges. Let put the crims behind bars instead of the victims

  • @phildavey256
    @phildavey256 8 днів тому +4

    Let's see him behind bars, for a long period. Pure lies.

  • @carlosgravy7966
    @carlosgravy7966 12 днів тому +25

    How is it that the Post Office employed such a remarkable collection of dirt bags? Mind blown!

    • @michaelmcginley7930
      @michaelmcginley7930 10 днів тому

      He looks like the proverbial arse licker for manager.he is a total creep

  • @peterflynn3657
    @peterflynn3657 10 днів тому +8

    Prosecution should follow of Mr Ismay . He needs to be put under far more pressure than this.

  • @nobbyclarke9298
    @nobbyclarke9298 12 днів тому +85

    Another Thug in a suit brought down to earth by Mr. Beer KC & the enquiry should find this scoundrel should be charged….

    • @smrriles5668
      @smrriles5668 12 днів тому +1

      Charged with what?

    • @michaelmcginley7930
      @michaelmcginley7930 10 днів тому

      ​@@smrriles5668are you really that stupid.please pay attention or don't you have the intellect to analysis information

    • @MozD
      @MozD 9 днів тому

      “Thug[s] in suit[s]” exactly the right phrase. I, like many others, would these testimonies to be with prison wear and in handcuffs. When? And why not now?

    • @hayleyb2254
      @hayleyb2254 6 днів тому

      Corporate manslaughter​@@smrriles5668

  • @StuartMiles74
    @StuartMiles74 12 днів тому +20

    This blatant liar needs to be in prison with Vennells and van den Bogerd

  • @gherkamum
    @gherkamum 12 днів тому +92

    They knew it was all wrong but did nothing, fake apologies, still no empathy or shame…..They all look guilty…..All covering their own backs….Prison.….

  • @a120068020
    @a120068020 12 днів тому +59

    As head of accounting he should have followed the cash - where was it? Shameful.

    • @highmyope-ps2by
      @highmyope-ps2by 12 днів тому +6

      But that's work! Anyone would think that was what he got his big, fat salary for.

    • @custossecretus5737
      @custossecretus5737 12 днів тому +9

      That’s what got me in the original trials.
      If £10,000’s was going missing, where were the flash cars, the holidays abroad, the assets bought from the proceeds?
      Due diligence was not taken by the judges in these cases in my opinion.

    • @a120068020
      @a120068020 12 днів тому +11

      @@custossecretus5737 Indeed and after 300, 400, 500 convictions you thought someone would have gone "hang on a minute?"

    • @custossecretus5737
      @custossecretus5737 12 днів тому

      @@a120068020 This and what a second sight guy said, makes me think ministers were involved.
      Both the post office and Royal Mail were part of Royal Mail group when this started.
      If you plan to privatise the post office or even the group, this would be a serious hit to the valuation of the company.

    • @rjjcms1
      @rjjcms1 8 днів тому

      @@a120068020 Yep.

  • @doubleplusgoodthinker9434
    @doubleplusgoodthinker9434 12 днів тому +45

    This really makes me want to throw up. He talks about it as if he has lost his bus ticket.

  • @billwhitman5705
    @billwhitman5705 12 днів тому +44

    Jail time coming, hopefully!

    • @pauldevenport28320
      @pauldevenport28320 12 днів тому +5

      Jail time and assets recovered as proceeds of crime .

    • @nimuehstorm3103
      @nimuehstorm3103 11 днів тому +1

      We can but hope 🤞

    • @josephkerrigan733
      @josephkerrigan733 11 днів тому +3

      @@nimuehstorm3103 I have no hope. I think 95% will get away with it. Although I'd love to be wrong.

    • @michaelmcginley7930
      @michaelmcginley7930 10 днів тому

      ​@@josephkerrigan733agree with your sentiments

  • @green856w
    @green856w 12 днів тому +48

    Memory loss seems to be on epidemic proportions throughout Post Office and Roal Mail staff.

  • @seanohelan8241
    @seanohelan8241 12 днів тому +24

    There are no words to adequately express how “jobs-worths” like this guy can even try to justify the pain they have and continue to cause.

  • @nannieg7622
    @nannieg7622 12 днів тому +46

    Another one who “cannot remember “ !!

  • @robwellings1608
    @robwellings1608 12 днів тому +51

    Jail.

  • @tjfSIM
    @tjfSIM 12 днів тому +22

    I'm sick to death of seeing these pathetic scoundrels trying to weasel their way out of trouble with their selective amnesia and blame shifting. So far they've all either said they can't remember, or they've pointed the finger at each other. I want every single person who's been involved in this to be gathered together and interrogated together - because they're all lying about their involvement, and I want to see what they do when there's no one else to blame except those in the room.

  • @coalville1234
    @coalville1234 12 днів тому +12

    How do these people get these jobs? Who employed this liar? Unfortunately nothing will happen.

    • @dovetonsturdee7033
      @dovetonsturdee7033 11 днів тому +6

      More worryingly, how many people like this exist in many other large companies and organisations in this country?

    • @peterperryman2800
      @peterperryman2800 10 днів тому

      @@dovetonsturdee7033 ...and the Public (us) are paying their salaries!

  • @yaznin2474
    @yaznin2474 12 днів тому +18

    There really is no justice in this country if a trial is not had for these criminals. Justice is on trial in this inquiry - the outcome will be determined if they face time after this inquiry.

  • @richardkent2200
    @richardkent2200 12 днів тому +22

    Rock on Jason great performance

  • @tiberscrod9053
    @tiberscrod9053 11 днів тому +4

    Probably the best beer in the world

  • @nickphiggins
    @nickphiggins 12 днів тому +13

    When is one of these idiots who were clearly coerced by the leadership and culture of the PO finally going to come out and admit they were wrong? it is shocking to me that they are all either retired or near retirement age and not one so far (to my knowledge) has had a mea culpa moment ….. and ladies and gentlemen therein lies the problem with this institution……As a father I really struggle with their collective protection of the institution before any sense of humanity and empathy and yet they still persevere……the first person who steps up (and they will!) will bring this whole house of cards tumbling down and they will be forever lauded. If you are reading this let it be you…..

  • @Blackhawk7117
    @Blackhawk7117 11 днів тому +4

    Yet another incompetent and inept individual. How these people ever managed to get into these senior positions within the Post Office is totally beyond me.

  • @lrl2394
    @lrl2394 8 днів тому

    Why isn’t he in jail with all his assets being seized and evenly distributed to his victims

  • @StuartMiles74
    @StuartMiles74 12 днів тому +6

    This man knew there were Horizon bugs and he ignored them. He should be in prison.

  • @custossecretus5737
    @custossecretus5737 12 днів тому +12

    All the power was with the post office.
    This armoury of power was directed at individual sub post masters to secure the reputation of the post office brand, even when they had evidence that the system was not “robust”.
    They had no problems with using that power on unsafe convictions.

  • @chrisready9254
    @chrisready9254 11 днів тому +7

    The post office senior management are a very strange bunch..vindictive.. forgetful and apologetic..All of them the same

  • @andymcaleer4163
    @andymcaleer4163 12 днів тому +8

    They seem to be blaming each other, you couldn't make this shit up mate

  • @frankmcconnellogue3351
    @frankmcconnellogue3351 12 днів тому +11

    They are all trying their best to blame each other and when that doesn’t work insomnia comes into play.

  • @jeanrees1502
    @jeanrees1502 12 днів тому +25

    Time the police took action

    • @ianrattray1357
      @ianrattray1357 11 днів тому

      Unfortunately probably they are part of the problem ex police being given jobs as investigators etc 😕

  • @ossianx8752
    @ossianx8752 8 днів тому +1

    Jobsworth public official …. He should pay with his own wealth and pension …..

  • @custossecretus5737
    @custossecretus5737 12 днів тому +8

    Try and convince me, that ministers were not involved in this scandal.
    Horizon program in use 1999
    Post master convictions 1999-2015
    Postal services act 2011
    Royal Mail group split in 2012
    Royal Mail privatised 2013-2015

  • @lynnemills2650
    @lynnemills2650 12 днів тому +6

    The thing I want to know is who gave the Help desk the information to tell the postmasters they were the only ones and that Horizon was robust.

  • @dorothyblair6741
    @dorothyblair6741 12 днів тому +14

    I keep hearing Mandy Talbot's name. Has she been called as a witness yet?

    • @dorothyblair6741
      @dorothyblair6741 12 днів тому +6

      I looked her up. She did give evidence September 2023

    • @Marg-nt7qm
      @Marg-nt7qm 12 днів тому +3

      Another strange post office robot

  • @russellgray938
    @russellgray938 12 днів тому +22

    Is there going to be any recommendations for sentances for those found guilty of misjustice/lies cover ups by post office. How many times must we hear cover up, "can't remember, wasn't me, it was someone else, to long ago",didnt see that email, even though my names on it."??. Shocking if no sentances given. Police shouldn't have to be informed to look into criminal injustice, should be automatic after all this.

    • @cypeman8037
      @cypeman8037 12 днів тому

      Do we have to have prosecutions of these people before we can consider sentencing? I think that is how it works.
      Prior to any of this there had to be several other hurdles to jump in the legal system.

    • @emmaturner2558
      @emmaturner2558 12 днів тому +6

      This is an enquiry with the purpose of getting to the truth. It would be up to the police to ascertain, using this as evidence if they feel appropriate, whether there is evidence to charge and the Crown Prosecution Service to give the go ahead. This enquiry is not a trial. That is why there are so many ‘I don’t recall’ as the witnesses do not wish to incriminate themselves. You’ll also notice that witnesses are hardly answering yes or no but instead answering “so in this situation’ or “what I remember about that”. They have clearly been given very good advice on how to answer questions.

    • @russellgray938
      @russellgray938 12 днів тому

      @@emmaturner2558 cover up.

    • @nannieg7622
      @nannieg7622 12 днів тому +2

      Russell….you forgot “I can’t recall” !

  • @martygrimsted4290
    @martygrimsted4290 11 днів тому +3

    Can't wait for Easter bunny Vennells , it'll be the funniest thing since Blair's fake non-apology sympathy face after the Iraq war...

    • @georgecullen9516
      @georgecullen9516 11 днів тому

      @martygrimstead4290.....PAULA VENNOM .....nasty piece of work........

  • @keithg1xfl
    @keithg1xfl 9 днів тому

    Yet ANOTHER One for Court.

  • @harrylloyd6955
    @harrylloyd6955 8 днів тому

    I wonder about the many millions of british taxpayer funds being wasted on these meetings. I'm not surprised we haven't reached a conclusion yet.

  • @dovetonsturdee7033
    @dovetonsturdee7033 11 днів тому +2

    It just gets worse and worse. The nightmare that was Angela, followed by the comic masterpiece of cluelessness that was Jarnail, and now this complete buffoon. How much worse can it really get?
    In view of who will be appearing the the next couple of weeks, significantly worse, I fear.

  • @tiberscrod9053
    @tiberscrod9053 11 днів тому +1

    Jail time hopefully soon on the ...... horizon.

  • @davidhardy6019
    @davidhardy6019 12 днів тому +6

    How do you sleep at night Mr Ismay? Jail is far too good for you sir

    • @anaitali8256
      @anaitali8256 12 днів тому

      A ‘visit’ would not ho amiss!

    • @richbrown8174
      @richbrown8174 11 днів тому

      "how do you sleep at night Mr Ismay?"
      On a big pile of money is the answer

  • @seanmoyses
    @seanmoyses 9 днів тому +1

    Jail time beckons

  • @joerudnik9290
    @joerudnik9290 9 днів тому +1

    Many of these village post offices probably never made as much money as ‘reportedly’ they lost. How could amounts grow overnight?? Computers are very good at keeping track of time stamps and where an entry is made. This should have been a ‘no-brainer’!!

  • @meganwott2498
    @meganwott2498 7 днів тому

    For goodness sake everyone has seen enough of this lieing circus. These victims need compensation now!.!

  • @Dude-etiquette
    @Dude-etiquette 12 днів тому +2

    Why aren’t these people in jail or fined millions? They probably earned their bonus and living life in luxury and don’t care cause they know nothing will happen hence their contempt

  • @rhubarbtheatre44
    @rhubarbtheatre44 12 днів тому +3

    If anyone wanted to know the definition of the word ‘contrite’, his responses perfectly illustrate it.

  • @eddjordan2399
    @eddjordan2399 12 днів тому +3

    If they didn't know what they where doing why was he being paid so much. You ether know what's going on at that level or your lying.

  • @robinnicholas7867
    @robinnicholas7867 12 днів тому +3

    Sorry I forgot I worked for the post office

  • @iandavid8925
    @iandavid8925 12 днів тому +13

    Did he get his “waffling” from Johnson? This fool has been cornered with nowhere to run and making no sense whatsoever.

  • @manindersingh8385
    @manindersingh8385 12 днів тому +1

    "Not proud" or embarrassed that the truth has come out.

  • @0xDEAFF00D
    @0xDEAFF00D 12 днів тому +1

    "I wasn't in charge! Oh not me! I'm only in charge when stumping for a raise, or when thumping my chest about how powerful I am."

  • @MrGavinBoyd
    @MrGavinBoyd 11 днів тому +2

    Will those responsible go to prison?

    • @michaelmcginley7930
      @michaelmcginley7930 10 днів тому

      Probably notbgavin not because they are not guilty but because the criminal justice system seem to protect the apperapchiks in business

  • @paulphilpott7282
    @paulphilpott7282 12 днів тому +5

    I wonder if he is related to j. Ismay the former owner of the titanic?

    • @InaMacallan
      @InaMacallan 10 днів тому

      Glad I'm not alone in wondering that!

  • @philstanton231
    @philstanton231 10 днів тому

    There has got to be accountability and REAL compensation.

  • @markgrunzweig6377
    @markgrunzweig6377 12 днів тому +4

    This is what happens when an entity which is public service, is privatized. Here n America, it's worse. Funny how the "right" won't privatize the military. By the way, I'm non-partisan moderate.

  • @jimandali0
    @jimandali0 12 днів тому +1

    Yet again, another squirming suit, that’s got caught.

  • @robinnicholas7867
    @robinnicholas7867 12 днів тому +2

    It’s like bad Agatha Christie in which all the suspects did it!

    • @leplessis8179
      @leplessis8179 11 днів тому

      with a blunt instrument, in the library!

  • @shirleyn546
    @shirleyn546 10 днів тому

    Wonder if he’s a relation to Bruce Ismay, MD of the White Star Line who stepped into a boat when the Titanic went down.

  • @andymcaleer4163
    @andymcaleer4163 12 днів тому +2

    Not proud because you've been found out, eh unbelievable

  • @markgrunzweig6377
    @markgrunzweig6377 12 днів тому +4

    He's hemming and hawing...

  • @cherryrotella3714
    @cherryrotella3714 11 днів тому

    They have abandoned morality and humanity. Awful to witness 😞

  • @probablynotmyname8521
    @probablynotmyname8521 10 днів тому

    Ugh, they really have to give up with the fake contrition… if, at the time, you thought it was the right thing to do then say that, dont try and hide behind “im not proud”. You now have better information, back then you worked off the information you had.

  • @richardfagan2546
    @richardfagan2546 12 днів тому +2

    God bless the man for his honesty

  • @johnnybeer3770
    @johnnybeer3770 11 днів тому

    Well done my namesake .

  • @user-bl4xm6nq3v
    @user-bl4xm6nq3v 11 днів тому

    Got him, hook, Line and sinker.

  • @tiberscrod9053
    @tiberscrod9053 11 днів тому

    "Too busy" heard it all now.

  • @lorrainefisher8044
    @lorrainefisher8044 12 днів тому +2

    When is paula vile vennals taking the stand?

    • @catgladwell5684
      @catgladwell5684 12 днів тому +2

      Wednesday 22 May. Three days. Let's hope that every minute of it is horrible for her.

    • @Sprout476
      @Sprout476 12 днів тому

      22nd 23rd and 24th may

    • @lorrainefisher8044
      @lorrainefisher8044 10 днів тому +1

      Thanks..Absolutely let's hope everyone who's been interviewed gets jailed.

  • @animationsilo
    @animationsilo 12 днів тому

    We just don't stand a chance

  • @tiberscrod9053
    @tiberscrod9053 11 днів тому

    As memory lose is so acute in the PO senior management I'm sure they won't mind paying back their fat bonuses.Not like they will remember getting them,the amounts and why they were paid out.

  • @garricksteventon1308
    @garricksteventon1308 12 днів тому

    It confirms what I've always thought. Accountants use their personality as a contraceptive.

  • @terry6467
    @terry6467 11 днів тому

    And another going to jail

  • @gerardhampson9089
    @gerardhampson9089 12 днів тому +1

    Did they really believe that they had employed so many thieves?
    700 postmasters have been wrongly prosecuted.
    Surely anyone with any sense would have said , whow !!
    Something wrong here , this just doesn't seem right .
    But no, they conspired to keep prosecuting.
    And now they are trying to say we are all thick , didn't realise, i can't remember, it was someone else , don't recall why i said that, it wasn't me .

  • @callumturkington5856
    @callumturkington5856 8 днів тому

    It wasn't me guv

  • @dieterschanzerbschonsmrics3528
    @dieterschanzerbschonsmrics3528 11 днів тому

    Dude just looks like a tax inspector

  • @mikkelclemmensen381
    @mikkelclemmensen381 11 днів тому

    Just another 'bad choice of words', of course.

  • @mikeellis4345
    @mikeellis4345 12 днів тому

    Vindictiveness culture at the POL …

  • @jamesbriers696
    @jamesbriers696 11 днів тому

    Yet another jobsworthy in a senior position at the Post Office. What sort of management recruitment and development process do they have? Given the obvious lack of competence displayed by them it is hardly surprising it is a failing enterprise.

  • @RajSingh-sw5xe
    @RajSingh-sw5xe 11 днів тому

    Allegations... ffs ...

  • @leodoherty5304
    @leodoherty5304 11 днів тому

    Sugar or salt with your porridge this morning inmate?

  • @0xDEAFF00D
    @0xDEAFF00D 12 днів тому

    More like Rod Dismay, amirite?

  • @Pinkyandthebrain290
    @Pinkyandthebrain290 11 днів тому

    All of them are sorry because they’ve been caught during this inquiry. They all knew what they were doing. They ignored all who spoke up. They’re so much wrongdoing everywhere you look. They’re not sorry because they’ve been caught. They’re was no catching. If mr bates v the post office hadn’t have come on tv and into our screens then really this would have lasted beyond 20years. The whole thing boils my blood. Everyone who knew other than all these people here just sat on the information. The knowing… these people also should be going to jail. Why aren’t the police acting…. That suggests they’re not bothering either.

  • @glencoe8251
    @glencoe8251 12 днів тому

    What a load of rubbish he's talking.

  • @tiptoeshssssssssss
    @tiptoeshssssssssss 12 днів тому

    What was his earnings during this scandal.... Who is paying him to pretend.... Can they arrest his WhatsApp messages like they did the Scottish government's during covid

  • @dizwell
    @dizwell 11 днів тому +1

    He's not a lawyer, just an accountant. He has no IT expertise. He had responsibility for branches being honest and profitable. I cannot see the problem with him, in his position, wanting all available tools to explain why Post Office could rely on Horizon.
    In my view, Singh and Jenkins and Altman KC are culpable, and upwards from there. This man, however, doesn't appear to have the self-serving imagination warranting jail time.

    • @richbrown8174
      @richbrown8174 11 днів тому

      If he's "just an account" the auditing the accounts and procedures should have been instigated not going along with prosecution of post masters
      Unless Paula Vennells instructed him not to 🤔

    • @dizwell
      @dizwell 11 днів тому

      @richbrown8174 He didn't have anything to do with prosecuting subpostmasters. He was asked whether Horizon was robust, and he said it was. He later found out it wasn't and his "crime" was not to go back and amend his previous advice.
      He's guilty of not paying attention to an issue which only hindsight tells him he should have focused on.

  • @user-bz3hk2fg8p
    @user-bz3hk2fg8p 12 днів тому +5

    Clueless

  • @robertwright7937
    @robertwright7937 12 днів тому +2

    Ro Dismay.

  • @randydawson5403
    @randydawson5403 12 днів тому +8

    It's disgraceful, before each post office representative answers the questions they look at the laptop screen in front of them and the Post Office Barrister who is listening in providing them with the answer they should give. It's like going into an exam at School with all the answers on a notepad. How on earth is this legal, it's to make sure the Post Office doesn't get sued.

    • @FACELOWNER
      @FACELOWNER 12 днів тому +5

      What on earth are you talking about..? You do know the documents Mr Beer is asking questions about are on the screen in front of the witness, please tell me you do.

    • @epincion
      @epincion 12 днів тому +4

      Nope they are NOT in contact with a PO defence barrister, what Mr Ismay is looking at on his screen is documents the prosecuting KC Jason Beer is referring to and making Mr Ismay read and comment on

    • @kmooney1954
      @kmooney1954 12 днів тому +4

      I'm guessing the you're new to this story. Your response is typical of how false information gets reported.

  • @f0urstr1ng
    @f0urstr1ng 12 днів тому +1

    On top of all of the unsavoury goings on I was deeply unimpressed by the chair being "not prepared" to work late on a Friday. Given the importance of proceedings to hundreds of wronged individuals I found this most disrespectful. An extra half hour isn’t a great deal to ask. Even worse he actually wound things up early. POETS day really shouldn’t be happening here.

  • @anaitali8256
    @anaitali8256 12 днів тому

    Hell-bound for sure.🔥