Barrister loses patience with former Post Office executive: 'That's just word soup'
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- Опубліковано 25 кві 2024
- A former Post Office executive was condemned for using “word soup” jargon by a frustrated barrister during the Horizon IT inquiry on Friday 26 April.
On her second day of giving evidence, Angela van den Bogerd was asked about the cases of several individual subpostmasters and their branches.
Her response, when questioned on the specifics of settlement negotiations with Martin Griffiths, drew a frustrated outburst from Jason Beer KC, lead counsel to the inquiry.
“What does that mean? That’s just word soup,” he said, repeating part of Ms van den Bogerd’s answer back to her.
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Well done for calling her BS out.
His BS detector is indeed strong.
What are the consequences of lying under oath?
Maybe Bogerd will find out?
Depends on your social class.
They will claim all the publicity means they can’t get a fair trial
@@user-se7es6uc8v 10000 bloody percent. Bogus' lies costs thousands of lives and he still hasn't been investigated for them.
Lying under oath is committing pergery which is prosecution and jail
The public are losing patience waiting for this evil woman, Vennells, and others to receive the jail sentences that they so richly deserve.
You never spoke a truer word
I have been watching some of these people being questioned. There appears to be a common denominator amongst them. Firstly, they were in the highest positions and very well paid including fat bonuses. However, their memories of events are very vague and sketchy and sometimes non-existent. Secondly, they are able to remember things that they think make them look good and give great detail on these. Surely it is time for a selection of these people to be in court to answer to what happened and their potential involvement in innocent people being convicted and jailed and the distress and loss of everything that they had.
Not one of them is going to prison.
I'd rather have justice. *Reaches for whetstone"
@@hencole sad but very true.
Stop her pension and jail her NOW
IF A WOMAN STEALS FROM A SHOP. SHE CAN EXPECT THE WEIGHT OF THE LAW. is THIS WOMAN immune FROM laws. WHAT HOLD DOES SHE HAVE ON OTHERS. WILL WE EVER BE TOLD. HER HOME FOR THE NEXT 15 YERAS IS JAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if only.
@@bwghall1 Your caps lock has a problem.
yeah couldnt agree more, i want this woman and all the execs in jail as fast as possible
Maybe take her to court first?
If her lips move she is lying. How can she sleep having caused so much damage to innocent people (victims)
Easily, when you appear to lack a functioning conscious
@@timhazeltine3256- *conscience. Numpty.
she tells herself that she did a good job. But we know different.
"How can she sleep", I would say Horlicks, but it's not funny considering the circumstances. I don't think she cares, SEP (Someone Else's Problem), in her eyes Horizon was perfect, don't anyone say otherwise. But she met her match in Mr. Bates, so it's now down to damage limitation rather than own up. Shocking. RIP to those who took their own lives or did not live to see justice
She can sleep easily, because like all sociopaths she could not care less about anybody else.
Jail.
What a despicable individual she is, words fail me, send her to jail.
Consequences. Probably for the first time in her life. Real real consequences are coming.
And she falls back into the only delusion she has; that business-speak and lying will save her.
I doubt it. White collar criminals don't do jail time regardless if it costs lives, especially now there's no empty cells. The company will probably get a fine which the customers will pay in increased costs, she will be put on gardening leave until she finds another position and she will get a generous pension. Even the proceeds of crime act won't apply because she didn't get extra money for her heinous acts. She'll sit through the proceedings because she has to and when it's over she'll no doubt pop a champagne cork or two. Ain't life grand?
@@user-se7es6uc8v I think the SPMs have set a red line on such matters.
No gardening leave. She left that job 4 years ago! 🤷♂️
I am the hugest fan of Mr Jason Beer! He is utterly brilliant and I love to watch how he makes these awful people squirm!
You’re not. You are certainly behind me in the queue. 😉
@@dj_ray 🌻🌻🌻
Truth , fairness and honesty seem to be the last thing these executives think about in their quest for bonuses, promotions and corporate adoration?
true in near all business and large organisations LOL
Including the nhs
Exposed as a natural liar, immoral, selfish and greedy. Will justice prevail and will she pay for her crimes?
NO
All the anger and indignation in this country about this gross injustice………and what’s happening to put things right???
Unfortunately ALL these types of calculated public enquires have just proved to be an exercise to show us that they are listening to the people - but when have any of the guilty culprits ever payed for their crimes!
@@prakashmakwana6907 I am at a loss to understand why this is so in a fair and just society, which I believe it still is.
@@garymelnyk7910A fair and just society? Whatever gave you that impression?!
This woman needs to be in jail ....period
Bring her before a court not an enquiry. And then jail her.
Well done for calling her lies out
😊💗🙏
word soup --that's a great word!
I wonder if these people realise over 99% of the population want to see them in prison.
Absolutely disgusting!
The headline is wrong. He did not lose his patience with her.
Lies and more lies jail time
It is now time for these criminals from the Post Office management and Fujitsu to be prosecyfor all th damage they have done to so many people !!!
Her flat affect indicates something very sinister. Devoid of empathy, should be in Rampton.
being devoid of empathy is why she was propmoted , most organisations love that trait in a person.
Can you imagine what it would have been like working with this horrendous excuse for a human being? Just do as i say and dont ask questions type. She needs jail time asap. Disgusting
Shame!
She’s horrible
Tip for anyone being cross-examined: if you don't want to come across as shifty or a liar, JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.
Jail her
Jail and withdrawal of all bonuses and pensions. Not a chance of that happening unfortunately.
At no point in this video did he lose his patience, he highlighted her bs, title your videos correctly
PERJURY; the offence of wilfully telling an untruth or making a misrepresentation under oath.
Word soup didn't know anything but when put on the spot Mr Beer cornered her even when she was trying to spin or obfuscate.
NO loss of patience shown here!
You are going so far down, down, down, down even the devil will struggle to find you….
Even he'll be opening the trap door for her to fall through.
She's very cold hearted she doesn't care less about the guy that took his own life because of what they did to him and all the others postmasters and she was smirking when she came out of the inquiry they should all be in prison for what they did to the these ppl Sorry is not good enough it little to late for that they all knew there was no cases against the postmasters but they still went a head with it anyway how can they sleep at night rotten to the core
She's stupid to smirk. Every evasion or lie is obvious. She is damning herself every time she refuses to tell the truth. This is why I think lawyers are laughing at her
Really hope that is the case
Incompetence personified
Not incompetent but conditioned into a corporate robot. Protecting the brand at all costs. Even to the point of moral myopia. If you lie enough you start to believe that lie as fact and even defend it. The SPMs had no chance against that regime. Disgusting.
That's a peculiar way of spelling "malice".
It's striking that she can remember details when it suits her. Did she pay for legal advice on the "I can't remember" ploy? It must have been a great legal brain who came up with that defence strategy - same as the James Murdoch and Boris Johnson examples
Prison awaits!
Jail time needed asap.
Jail awaits
Why isn't prison a real prospect for those involved in this sickening injustice?
You have to be charged, prosecuted, found guilty in court, then sentenced... I am sure you know the drill.
Cos u in the uk !
Jail her now!! Justice for everyone
Peter Cushing should be questioning this witch!!!
Oh, Jason is doing equally well.
That would be quiet and smelly. Mr. Cushing has been dead for 30 years.
@@CubicSpline7713 FFS!!
Was it his version of Sherlock, Frankenstein, Van Helsing or Doctor Who that you had in mind?
Hoodwinked again...!
Good luck on putting this bunch in prison... !!
R.I.P. Justice...!!!!
Prison prison prison the nation needs to see justice she needs to be convicted and sent to jail
Supposed to be a woman of God I don’t think so.
Lies.
That's the other one, but still...
Only on Sundays though !
Think that’s Paula Vennells but both liars
An orchestrated litany of lies
Shocking, truly shocking
Not the first to lose their rag with this individual.
When are these Post Office Executives going to be prosecuted, they are totally culpable in every instance of this injustice.
I would guess at about 12 to 15 months after the Inquiry has stopped questioning everybody. The Inquiry team will need time to write, vet and check its report before handing it over to any team of prosecutors.
I can't believe this is still going in slow motion. Pay up now!!!
I'd love to have a conversation with Jason Beer about what he really thinks about this procession of liars and incompetents.
Gallows
Crooks who will always escape jail as they make the rules
They knew it was all wrong but did nothing, fake apologies, still no empathy or shame…..They all look guilty…..All covering their own backs….Prison.
Angela isn’t sorry, her opening words of an apology were just not meant at all. She’s probably still proud of her action
Lies
Everyone of them at the top that knew this was happening but still denied it. All need to go to jail. The smugness of them all is astounding
I would not say he lost his patience here at all he calmly stated she was waffling…
Words are magic. They can be used to make things disappear. This woman tried to weave a spell that would hide her complicity and partially salve her conscience.
She has a conscience?
Toothless government won’t prosecute her or her colleagues or anyone else complicit in this scandal. Remember, innocent people went to prison. Why is that acceptable, but sending van den Bogerd and Vennells isn’t?
Goverment run
The public need to see justice being served on these people not a telling off from a barrister .
How this woman still walks free is one of life's mysteries.
This KC is as sharp as a razor...and like a shark waiting to pounce well done sir well done
...And while all those families were suffering , her and her lot were collecting bonuses !
I dont honestly know how some people look at themselves. And wasn't one of them some sort of preacher ! Astonishing.
Word soup! What a fantastic question!
It wasn't me it was the process. Who decided the process? Oh that was me.
This is Jason Beer KC’s way of showing his irritation.
As barristers we are not supposed to be openly rude or provocative to those we are cross examining but sarcasm can slip in and it did here. There’s no jury, he’s not out to impress anyone, he’s there to elicit facts and stop people trying to speak b-s to the inquiry.
He called her out. Edward Henry KC and Sam Stein KC were far more outspoken as they were not the barristers acting for the Inquiry but for Core Participants such as the sub post masters. Their hands were less constrained than JBKC.
Sam Stein’s questioning of her was brilliant. He took no prisoners and loved telling her the high court judge in the civil proceedings hadn’t believed a word she’d said. The way he delivered it had me tittering!
I may not be the sharpest knife in the draw, but, if the post masters were somehow losing 1000s of pounds of presumably card payment monies, then where did it go to. Did someone with access to the system somehow spirit this all away and why isn't it traceable.
Lying to her back teeth.
Good !!! He’s a cool cuss!!! But can see she’s a lier and passing the buck! Both these women need a custodial sentence when the time comes, No mercy like they showed the post masters.
This whole situation is absolutely horrendous. These people should be ashamed of themselves. People took their own lives over this as well as being vilified by their local community.
They really ought to be held accountable for their despicable actions.
I can’t believe they can live with themselves 🤬
How on Earth this Woman got the Job in the first place beggars belief as She hasn't got a clue about the job or position in the first place! Either that or she is just being Disingenuous or Evasive as She isn't fit to run a Post Office let alone the Whole Operation!
Based on what has been said by all of the Post Office management so far interviewed in this enquiry it seems the business was run by a mixed team of lower level "incompetents" and higher level "individuals" interested only in greed and covering up their own failings at the cost of innocent hard working people.
If this country still has the moral decency it has long been famed for, those responsible for this utterly foul cover up must be sent to prison. Not just for their own wrongdoings and the harm done to their innocent employees and their families, but to serve as a very clear warning for anyone in a very senior business position who would take the same route to cover their own backsides.
All she worried about was her career she didn’t give a dam about people in her way they are Cold And Heartless.
Bang on lad
.maticulss and Accurat👌✔️
Absolutely corrupt to the very core - this human IS evil.
OMG I’m not a barrister or a corrupt judge but a blind man on a flying horse can see that she is a compulsive liar. I rest my case your honour 😁
Sick of this.
"I was only following orders. Ethics were an alien concept to me. So what, if this destroyed thousands of lives and led to the deaths of truly decent folk? That was not my concern, and I never considered it."
Pusillanimous woman.
Immediately after this, he got her to admit that it was entirely at the post offices discretion as to how to structure this payment.
She should face jail time along with all the others that knew the system had flaws, hid it and yet pushed forward with convicting post masters, some taking their lives. Set an example I say to show that higher management has a duty to speak up and see action to stop this type of thing happening again.
In my courtroom he could use "verbal bollocks" !
LIAR liar liar and more lies. Should be in prison
Was she wearing pants at the Inquiry? Were there flames coming from her chair?
They offered to buy silence on the condition of silence and staggered payments to ensure that the victims didn’t speak out on pain of losing the next payments.
She needs to be jailed.
See how her HR speak works in jail
...how did our country get to be like this?
Life in prison or this trial (Inquiry) was pointless.
I don’t think this is a trial just an inquiry.
@@christine6878 True lol. Still, all of the higher ups involved deserve serious prison time.
When are these people going to jail?
No way should she be walking free .
No more pay, no pendion, 5 years in Holloway, alongside that **** Vellis
She is a horrible person. Well done Mr Beer. We just need Sir Williams to put his wig on and say "take here down"
The British public will not rest until these people are in jail.
Jason Beer KC is great. If I get in trouble I want him on my side.
Why is a coffee shop worker asking questions in court?
What a horrible piece of work that woman is jail time should be coming
Word soup. 😂 That's a new phrase added to my lexicon.
Bullying widows and the bereaved into staying quiet. Just disgusting 😮
The sooner this hierarchy is jailed, the better. Alex Bellfield was jailed for using words. These people have wrecked postmasters' lives. The worst part is they won't even admit it.
Hopefully these former Post Office Executives will experience the justice they so richly deserve.
Slithering out of it, no accountability. What a cile individual. People died, and lives ruined because of this person and many others.
SHE definitely belongs in jail.
I hope she goes to Jail for her doings and lies told over the years in denying that there was nothing wrong with Horizon. Her and Vennels “MUST” not get away with this. “NEVER”