'HOW Could You Not Have Known?' | Former Post Office Boss Paula Vennells Grilled At Horizon Inquiry

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  • Former Post Office boss Paula Vennells is quizzed today on her role in the Horizon scandal.
    The disgraced ex-chief executive is beginning her three days of evidence to the Horizon IT inquiry amid claims she covered-up the Post Office’s knowledge of bugs in the faulty accounting software.
    The inquiry is shown text messages between Ms Vennells and former Royal Mail boss Dame Moya Greene, thought to be from around January this year, in which the latter says: “I think you knew” about the problems with the Horizon system.
    Asked why she does not answer Dame Moya’s question about how she could not have known, Ms Vennells tells the inquiry today: “I didn’t not answer that question; I was very concerned because I was aware that it was not good practice to be exchanging texts in the middle of an inquiry.
    “It wasn’t that I should or shouldn’t have answered her question.”
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  • @Turdmaster1000
    @Turdmaster1000 26 днів тому +559

    If she doesn't go to prison it's yet another demonstration of how there is no rule of law.

    • @robertsmuggles6871
      @robertsmuggles6871 26 днів тому +60

      the law applies to you and me brother - but not to them.

    • @carlosgomes2783
      @carlosgomes2783 26 днів тому +21

      There are "in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

    • @smellslikethinice1107
      @smellslikethinice1107 26 днів тому

      Are you still under the illusion they are the same.
      They get these jobs because they are ruthless, cut throat people. And they all know they are immune to prosecution, Ask bojo johnson

    • @michaelmcginley7930
      @michaelmcginley7930 24 дні тому +13

      Shes not going to prison

    • @Oomzilla
      @Oomzilla 24 дні тому +13

      It just doesn't apply to "them".

  • @VG-cz7yg
    @VG-cz7yg 26 днів тому +438

    Absolutely zero sympathy for this woman. She needs to be held 100% accountable for this debacle.

    • @p0tter80
      @p0tter80 26 днів тому +11

      Spoiler alert… she won’t be.

    • @Enhancedlies
      @Enhancedlies 25 днів тому +5

      If a male was in this position I would expect arrest already

    • @lonyo5377
      @lonyo5377 25 днів тому +12

      But she cried!

    • @patinho5589
      @patinho5589 25 днів тому

      Have sympathy and love my friend. It’s good to have sympathy and to be loving.

    • @lonyo5377
      @lonyo5377 25 днів тому

      @@patinho5589 things should be done to her as they have been done by her unto others
      Treat her as she treated others

  • @morrisfurie5402
    @morrisfurie5402 26 днів тому +248

    The Vicar of Fibley

  • @marksavage1108
    @marksavage1108 27 днів тому +457

    1 month for each conviction and 3 months for each prison term she made the sub-postmasters suffer. SHE MUST GO TO PRISON. If not, so anyone can break the rules and laws and steal from the Post Office?

    • @KevinParsons-of6if
      @KevinParsons-of6if 27 днів тому +20

      Good point !

    • @davidvoisey4531
      @davidvoisey4531 27 днів тому

      And she must be immediated defroked as an Anglican priest.

    • @blue47er
      @blue47er 26 днів тому +26

      You are too forgiving, sir!

    • @michaelmcginley7930
      @michaelmcginley7930 26 днів тому +30

      That is the point if she gets away with it the nobody can have confidence in the law

    • @marksavage1108
      @marksavage1108 26 днів тому +26

      @@blue47er The maths say different, 900 convictions at 1 month per conviction is 75 years, and 236 prison terms is another 59 years at 3 months per innocent jailed. Basically throw away the key

  • @darengardner6219
    @darengardner6219 27 днів тому +279

    She knew and knows admitting it will put her in jail .

    • @doriangray6985
      @doriangray6985 26 днів тому +4

      Sounds right

    • @Broadsword999
      @Broadsword999 26 днів тому +16

      I think what happened was they initially couldn't believe the system was making mistakes, then it got to the point where their story was so established no one wanted to believe they were convicting people on the basis of faulty data. Eventually they had invested so much time and effort into protecting the Post Office and some of these scum didn't want to have to potentially repay bonuses or face actual consequences for their negligent behaviour and hoped they could kick the can down the road a couple more times so their involvement would be hidden from view. Unfortunately, this enquiry was set up and it's not going away until this whole sorry mess is dragged into the daylight, Paula Venells' et al should be imprisoned and then be sued civilly by the sub-postmasters and bankrupted.

    • @alanfrost4661
      @alanfrost4661 26 днів тому +1

      Good

    • @smellslikethinice1107
      @smellslikethinice1107 26 днів тому +11

      That is correct. She is the amplification of the British class system gone wrong.

    • @johnmcfarlane748
      @johnmcfarlane748 25 днів тому +1

      correct .

  • @therockontheshelf
    @therockontheshelf 26 днів тому +134

    Life sentence and her wealth and assets seized and put toward the compensation claim. Nothing else is justice.

  • @brianwhetton9621
    @brianwhetton9621 26 днів тому +247

    Vennells is / was incompetent & criminally negligent ; she's guilty of manslaughter. The affected staff must bring a class action against her.

    • @greenpedal370
      @greenpedal370 25 днів тому +20

      I don't agree. She is very smart and an accomplished liar who knew exactly what she was doing. This ignorant front she is trying to portray is just that - another lie!
      I do wonder if individual staff can sue her personally?

    • @spicybiscuit88
      @spicybiscuit88 24 дні тому +11

      No she knew- it just wasn't in her own best interests to stop the prosecutions and admit fault . Not only because of the effect on her career, but because the PO wouldn't then be able to keep taking the accused people's money, and they'd have to be compensated. So she would then not be able to take this money herself, which she did in bonuses. She clearly didn't care about the people whose lives she was ruining in any way. She's not sorry for she did , as you can tell from her performance here.

    • @crazyhai8155
      @crazyhai8155 23 дні тому +14

      She's only guilty of being 'incompetent', in terms of her morals and ethics. She ISN'T incompetent, in the sense she didn't 'know' - or that she was 'too trusting'.
      The evidence was overwhelming, that she DID know- and indeed, she actively interfered (on multiple occasions) to try to hide the problem.
      There's the email (in 2013), in which she said she'd accept the PR guy's 'steer' (after he emailed her about limiting a planned investigation into miscarriages of justice, because otherwise the sheer number would make the Post Office front-page news).
      Hell, she even attacked Susan Crichton (a legal advisor) in writing, after Crichton didn't knobble an independent investigation (by Second Sight) in the Post Office's favour (an investigation that DID find multiple problems, in 2013). Vennells complained that Crichton put her 'professional ethics' before the Post Office's reputation 🤦‍♀️
      God forbid somebody should try to apply ethics as a first priority, over a business reputation!!!
      After that, Crichton was banned from board meetings. I could go on, listing the dozens of other evidence pieces against Vennells. But they are far too lengthy to write in a YT comment.
      Vennells has never harmed me personally, but my goodness. She has deeply offended my sense of justice, on a level I didn't realise I had. She's infuriating, how she's STILL trying to lie her way out of it. 😡

    • @spicybiscuit88
      @spicybiscuit88 23 дні тому

      @@crazyhai8155 What I find interesting as well is shes not just lying so that she avoids the legal ramifications of admitting anything , she so arrogant and deluded that she thinks people might actually believe her, so she does the crying, and the comments like 'I wish I did! [know]'. She doesn't even realise playing on peoples emotions isn't an option at this point - everyone hates her guts.
      She is clearly extremely narcissistic. Every time there's someone like her in the news - absolutely shamelessly immoral,greedy , entitled, arrogant, hypocritical, and deluded, ruining hundreds or thousands of lives, I always think 'Another f*cking narcissist'. Trump, Boris Johnson (most of the Conservative party in fact), Jeff Bezos. It's these guys who are ruining the planet and people's lives.

    • @michaelmcginley7930
      @michaelmcginley7930 14 днів тому

      She will quickly slink back to her mansion to sip champagne olong with the rest of the post office apparachiks

  • @practicing1
    @practicing1 27 днів тому +207

    Wow, she is such a well practiced liar and diabolical dodger

    • @debibuxton1335
      @debibuxton1335 27 днів тому +11

      For granite faced lying I do think good old Angela is so far the clear winner. That said Jamal I Didn't Know How to Save Documents is a definite runner up.

    • @MR-gl9xu
      @MR-gl9xu 26 днів тому

      You’re absolutely right!
      Saddest rankings I’ve ever heard… but correct!
      Vennells is a diabolically cold evil Witch!

    • @denise4487
      @denise4487 26 днів тому +10

      And a woman of the cloth, she actually stood up in church and preached to her flock KNOWING WHAT SHE DID AND DIDNT DO

    • @sylviafennah2263
      @sylviafennah2263 26 днів тому +5

      She has had long enough to practice!

    • @flowerflower1392
      @flowerflower1392 25 днів тому

      @@denise4487And the sheep were sitting there and listened every Sunday, gave their little envelope with money and were happy to shake her hand when they left. Idiots

  • @peterbennett5910
    @peterbennett5910 26 днів тому +166

    Under oath and not telling the truth and being caught out over and over must be heading for jail

    • @wickedwitchoftheeast88
      @wickedwitchoftheeast88 26 днів тому

      She ain't gonna spend one day in prison senior managers are never held to account Hillsborough, Lucy Letby etc all senior management have had no further action. She will walk away scott free and be allowed to keep her multi million pound bonuses and pension she got through deception and dishonesty because the government and people like Vennels all piss in the same pot. If you notice all that bollocks Sunak talks like passing a law to squash the subpostmasters/mistresses convictions but hasn't told the PO to pay those people their money back along with interest and the value of their houses that they lost. He's hoping the public will be satisfied with what he's done so far. Its funny how the PO were allowed to abuse their powers of prosecuting innocent people but can't abuse that same power to do the right thing and give them their money back.

    • @11abrook
      @11abrook 26 днів тому +4

      "If any person lawfully sworn as a witness or as an interpreter in a judicial proceeding wilfully makes a statement material in that proceeding, which he knows to be false or does not believe to be true, he shall be guilty of perjury, and shall, on conviction thereof on indictment, be liable to penal servitude for a term not exceeding seven years, or to imprisonment . . . F1 for a term not exceeding two years, or to a fine or to both such penal servitude or imprisonment and fine".

    • @brianlopez8855
      @brianlopez8855 26 днів тому

      It always surprises me as to how many lawyers tell lies in Court in writing and in person. The SRA are weak and clueless about acting.

    • @billpugh58
      @billpugh58 26 днів тому

      Doubt it, the establishment protects its own.

    • @alanfrost4661
      @alanfrost4661 26 днів тому +8

      But not if you are of that class!

  • @lunarose7234
    @lunarose7234 26 днів тому +263

    She is a liar..she knew and she allowed innocent people to go through hell and some go to prison. She deserves prison when so many people keep saying..there's a problem....then you know THERE IS A PROBLEM, but she ignored the problem to further her gains, a wee medal from the queen and lots if money. She KNEW there was a problem 100%.

    • @jamesrussel1133
      @jamesrussel1133 25 днів тому +13

      I totally agree, and her front to accept her award from the queen knowing full well the wrongs she had presided over, and preaching to others in church too. An appalling person, clever, manipulative with it.

    • @njkip
      @njkip 24 дні тому +16

      Don't forget the poor souls that have died before being exonerated and even worse the suicides....it absolutely DISGUSTS ME!

    • @crazyhai8155
      @crazyhai8155 23 дні тому +7

      @jamesrussel. Her supposed Christianity is yet another layer to this, that leaves me incredulous. If she really believes in Christianity, what does she think will happen at the pearly gates one day?!
      Does she believe if she just says 'sorry I didn't know' and 'I don't recall', she'll just be waved through to heaven?! Or maybe she thinks if she gets around to admitting the truth privately to her God (and 'repenting' then), she'll get a free pass.
      Though I would suspect loopholes like that don't exist, with an 'all-seeing, all-knowing' God, i.e. doing whatever you want (including continuing to lie, and distress the victims further), because you'll just get around to 'repenting' on another day.
      Sure, plenty of people fake being religious, for some sort of power. But why would she? She was getting plenty of power, status and money, in her other job appointments.
      So why would she need to fake being religious, and spend her rare free time, becoming a lowly vicar?
      Maybe part of it was to project a 'moral' persona - but I'm not convinced.
      She was well-respected in the elite (enough to get her jobs she wanted), without that. Or she could have sought 'moral status' in something else, that was more interesting (or at least, more interesting than preaching a religion you don't at all believe in - charity work, perhaps)
      So I'm assuming she probably DOES hold religious beliefs. Which makes it surprising, if she DOES believe in hell.

    • @stephendriscoll7549
      @stephendriscoll7549 22 дні тому

      Her church should kick Her out also!

  • @len6908
    @len6908 26 днів тому +127

    She’s lying she did know about everything that was wrong with the horizon system

  • @allenp920
    @allenp920 27 днів тому +204

    I don’t know about Vennells being the unluckiest CEO but she certainly has to be the most clueless

    • @gk-zw3ck
      @gk-zw3ck 27 днів тому +32

      Far from clueless, she knew what was going on and continued with the lies. Crafty b !

    • @amandamcauley
      @amandamcauley 27 днів тому +15

      Just like the rest of them "she don't know nuthin'."

    • @michaelmcginley7930
      @michaelmcginley7930 26 днів тому

      She not clueless she is playing a blinder with rewards to someone who knows everything but is good at plYing dumb

    • @family-accountemail9111
      @family-accountemail9111 26 днів тому

      She's not stupid, she has this worked out to her best benefit. She's very cagey she's trying to navigate the least incriminating course through this. On the otherhand she was extremely incapable CEO and not a good enough person to be in such a role. I ll have to research how she got such a role ? Are the leaders in other businesses so crap?

    • @TherealAG11
      @TherealAG11 26 днів тому

      Dont believe that for a second- this is all an act

  • @bullshancybullshancy2377
    @bullshancybullshancy2377 26 днів тому +98

    Shes a liar, always has been, always will be. You can see her lying here.

  • @DavidMyers-bl9gx
    @DavidMyers-bl9gx 27 днів тому +172

    The quality of the people running our major companies is very low. Morally and technically. The rest of this class should be
    Embarrassed. But wont be
    They have the millions.

    • @tonyknight9912
      @tonyknight9912 27 днів тому +11

      They have no technical ability and that's part of the problem because they then don't know what questions to ask. It's akin to a accountant trying to run an operating theatre. Or MP's trying to understand Covid Jabs, they are all clueless !

    • @11abrook
      @11abrook 26 днів тому +11

      MPs the same. Were they picked for these very qualities? So as to be easily controllable by the elite who pick them?

    • @fleshboundtobone
      @fleshboundtobone 26 днів тому +7

      This is an interesting point I've seen made multiple times today and it had never crossed my mind but I think you're spot on. When politicians bang on about having a 'productive' economy they never make reference to the managerial class do they. But we've all laboured under absolute imbeciles, even at the very top. I guess a class-obsessed society reaps what it sows.

    • @frankscott3654
      @frankscott3654 26 днів тому

      The same can be said of the politicians over the last 50/60 years, utterly useless spineless traitors all of them.

    • @Coneman3
      @Coneman3 26 днів тому +4

      She probably doesn’t sweat

  • @sandrasmith2228
    @sandrasmith2228 27 днів тому +90

    Moya Greene is giving evidence in July -should be very interesting

    • @stuartoldroyd4295
      @stuartoldroyd4295 22 дні тому

      CEO of royal mail, like every other we've had since, they're picked for they're ability to lie, cover up, totally disregard the problems till its too late, leave with substantial/obscene amounts of money, for inept decisions, a golden handshake for the privilege,leaving the company in disarray,to move forward and do the same to another company !!!!.....keep focused looking at the future of Royal Mail, the clues are there.........

    • @conorsmith8551
      @conorsmith8551 20 днів тому +5

      Get the popcorn

  • @Englishman-nz3jm
    @Englishman-nz3jm 26 днів тому +76

    She bloody knew. But choose to ignore it. Thats the facts.

  • @nikolaslarson6891
    @nikolaslarson6891 26 днів тому +296

    Oh, c'mon! The British elite NEVER goes to prison. Too much contacts, nepotism, knighthoods and bonuses.

    • @Pinkyandthebrain290
      @Pinkyandthebrain290 26 днів тому +16

      I think it’s time that was changed and that outlook. There’s alrleady public outcry. Its ridiculous. ❤

    • @sturner80
      @sturner80 26 днів тому

      It’s hard to imagine a more corrupt country than GB . It’s riven by nepotism , freemasonry, shady deals done in smoky back rooms and the general public are treated like utter fools . Covid changed the landscape forever because the powers that be now KNOW that the people are basically sheep , who can be coerced and threatened to do anything that the powers that be deem usual for them . I’ve actually emigrated now and I don’t miss a single thing about the U.K. ( apart from my family) . It’s totally unrecognisable from the country I grew up in back in the 60’s , 70’s 80’s and 90’s , totally gone to the dogs .

    • @Scott-up3bq
      @Scott-up3bq 26 днів тому +7

      Don't hold your breath.archer did

    • @oldfartstuff518
      @oldfartstuff518 26 днів тому

      And she's a Minister of the Church! How could she possibly do wrong!

    • @Karlos.xx.travels
      @Karlos.xx.travels 26 днів тому

      ​@@Pinkyandthebrain290 there is no public outcry 😂 you mugs will all vote in size weeks for another version of corruption, criminality and subversion

  • @davidblight7502
    @davidblight7502 27 днів тому +199

    Surely it's it was her job to know what was going on. That's why she was paid so much. Its not very christian to lie and watch innocent people be locked up.

    • @fleshboundtobone
      @fleshboundtobone 26 днів тому +28

      When she was awarded multiple massive bonuses she didn't say 'no thank you, I barely know what's going on here - I don't deserve this'. Funny that.

    • @frankzappaspussy7362
      @frankzappaspussy7362 26 днів тому

      corrupt world that we live in - means that those at the top get paid the huge amount that they do in order to neither know nor tell anyone else..
      see Succession..

    • @Ricimer671
      @Ricimer671 26 днів тому

      No, it isn't very Christian, but then neither is she.

    • @Karlos.xx.travels
      @Karlos.xx.travels 26 днів тому

      it's very Christian of her to lie, religion itself is a massive lie

    • @if6was985
      @if6was985 25 днів тому +4

      The CofE has strayed far from the path...and is all about a class system rather than spreading the word of God.

  • @andyiswonderful
    @andyiswonderful 26 днів тому +65

    We're to believe that the head of the Post Office had a shocking lack of interest in getting to the truth about the faulty Fujitsu system and of the bizarre high number of postmasters suddenly becoming criminals. Sounds like plausible deniability to me. I don't believe her and I don't trust her.

    • @CyberSlammer2024
      @CyberSlammer2024 24 дні тому +1

      Exactly if you ran a large store in town and the people on the tills kept saying there are hundreds of pounds missing from the till at the end of every day you wouldn't just ignore it. And if you did you were negligent or part of the missing money problem.
      So many people suddenly turning criminal and all of them saying it's a fault of the system. The first thing you would do is immediately stop using the system. You were then track the people who were not using the system and those that were and see there that the problem was the system

    • @fabianmckenna8197
      @fabianmckenna8197 19 днів тому

      Also the fact that hundreds of thousands of pounds were being paid back to the post office by the falsely accused postmasters and being kept in a fund for later use.
      I was amazed when hearing of the large amounts being supposedly stolen by them, I mean would anyone seriously expect to get away with such large fraud attempts and more importantly, why didn't the top brass think it was strange.............

  • @augustinbelza2418
    @augustinbelza2418 26 днів тому +47

    Despicable woman. Criminal charges should be brought against her. She has to be accountable for her actions and those of the organisation that she controlled.

  • @andrewmitchell8859
    @andrewmitchell8859 26 днів тому +62

    She knew and orchestrated a cover up ! , now she can’t recall , can’t remember , other minions which are dispensable miraculously withheld information from her ! And starts sobbing saying sorry ! TSB , Paula better be going to jail! 🤬

    • @maitaimik
      @maitaimik 26 днів тому +4

      Don't be fooled - someone or some people skimmed a lot of money off the Fujitsu contract, my guess is Paula venells, Angel Van den Bogart and Jarnail Singh are all deeply involved.

  • @janeday9148
    @janeday9148 27 днів тому +91

    Vennells has to face criminal charges infact all those that have been involved in this shameful miscarriage of Justice will have to be charged

  • @petershortland478
    @petershortland478 26 днів тому +69

    What's ironic she was a practising Vicar isn't a lying ment to be sin? 🤔

    • @seamus7054
      @seamus7054 26 днів тому +18

      Not just a vicar, she was being backed by Justin Welby to become the third highest ranking minister in the C.E. Now he has backtracked and has asked the obvious question of how she wasn't vetted properly.

    • @CT99234
      @CT99234 26 днів тому +19

      Almost as if religion isn't actually a true expression of anything and has always been means of power and control. 'Hey I can't be a bad person, I talk to the magic man in the sky'!!!

    • @russellpeacock2853
      @russellpeacock2853 25 днів тому +2

      @@seamus7054Surely he should be doing the vetting for that position?

    • @russellpeacock2853
      @russellpeacock2853 25 днів тому +6

      Paula Vennells is a great example of what a true Christian looks like. Judgemental, superior and as dishonest as they come.

    • @MRJERRYCURTIN
      @MRJERRYCURTIN 25 днів тому +1

      Friends of Welby don't go to jail period

  • @marklangley7758
    @marklangley7758 26 днів тому +33

    She knew everything, she also knows she wouldn't survive a prison sentence.

  • @cathlaurs9754
    @cathlaurs9754 25 днів тому +19

    When you're telling the truth you don't need to think this hard.

    • @keithf_
      @keithf_ 21 день тому

      That is a very fine point

  • @davidtydeman1434
    @davidtydeman1434 26 днів тому +91

    How can she reconcile her role in the church with her apparent wilful behaviour which destroyed so many people’s lives 😡😡😡😡

    • @elliec4154
      @elliec4154 26 днів тому +9

      They almost made her a bishop!

    • @flowerflower1392
      @flowerflower1392 25 днів тому +6

      So much about the church. At least she didn't abuse little boys and girls unlike many of her fellows in the church. Only good thing you can say about her

    • @patinho5589
      @patinho5589 25 днів тому

      I’ll Help to reconcile it. You need to understand all human psychology to do that reconciling.
      The answer is that most behaviour (99%) is driven by fear and pain… seeking safety.. and also they in organisations a group mentality is involved of competition and representing only your organisation. Then there is also the milgram Experiment.
      60% or more of people will electrocute at over 300 volts just because an authority figure tells them it’s part of an experiment and that no permanent harm will be done to the person.

    • @raymeilak7702
      @raymeilak7702 24 дні тому +5

      @@flowerflower1392 how can you be so sure?

    • @iansutherlandcraig
      @iansutherlandcraig 24 дні тому +8

      They’re always the worst ones; the ones who think their god is their side.

  • @rogerwells6807
    @rogerwells6807 26 днів тому +52

    Most people don’t see or hear senior barristers in full flight, and are only aware of their substantial fees. However, it is clear that Jason Beer KC has done his homework and is on top of his brief - knowing the answer to each and every question, pursuing them to their logical conclusion, and holding the feet of each witness to the fire.

    • @happydays3678
      @happydays3678 26 днів тому +8

      He's brilliant!

    • @coam3708
      @coam3708 26 днів тому +8

      Spot on one of the best silks I have seen

  • @surreyboy84
    @surreyboy84 26 днів тому +35

    If this lady is as incompetent as she’s trying to make out she would never have made chief executive. She’s a liar.

    • @tjfSIM
      @tjfSIM 26 днів тому +4

      Yep. She has clearly decided it's better to be an incompetent fool than a liar and a fraud. Unfortunately what she has done is demonstrate that she is all three.

  • @john1703
    @john1703 27 днів тому +57

    Squirming. Someone might have to go to jail. The game now is "pass the parcel".

    • @mikedavis-kp1sx
      @mikedavis-kp1sx 27 днів тому +4

      or the brown envelopes to get her off

    • @Broadsword999
      @Broadsword999 26 днів тому +1

      To be fair parcels is the only part of the business making a consistent profit.

  • @kevinbosley-cl2fj
    @kevinbosley-cl2fj 27 днів тому +81

    For God's sake, just say the truth.

    • @amandamcauley
      @amandamcauley 27 днів тому +7

      I'm just hoping that someone, anyone, will decide to tell the truth and risk the consequences. I think that it would work in their favour in the long run.

    • @rogerwells6807
      @rogerwells6807 26 днів тому +10

      For God’s sake? FFS she’s an ordained minister of the Church, and was considered a candidate for the Bishopric of London.
      Such people confirm the reality of my atheism.

    • @dovetonsturdee7033
      @dovetonsturdee7033 26 днів тому +3

      @@rogerwells6807 It certainly questions the judgement of Justin Welby. But I think everyone already knew that.

    • @flowerflower1392
      @flowerflower1392 25 днів тому

      @@rogerwells6807I agree but if there were not so many sheep there would be no church.

    • @carol89589
      @carol89589 25 днів тому

      THE SO CALLED ELITE💩 ARE THERE TO TAKE AN TAKE FROM THE PEOPLE. THEY ARE PSYCHOPATHS

  • @jamescrompton5260
    @jamescrompton5260 26 днів тому +31

    Guilty as sin, but nothing will come of it.

  • @simonhattrell5321
    @simonhattrell5321 26 днів тому +21

    Under her watch the PO appealed Judge Fraser's findings/decision. She needs to be charged for knowingly pursuing innocent victims and face a jury's decision.

  • @sirprancealott2003
    @sirprancealott2003 26 днів тому +28

    Either criminally incompetent or a liar either way it needs to go to jail for life

  • @johnoneil4456
    @johnoneil4456 26 днів тому +39

    The thing is, how did the kangaroo courts find the defendants guilty? When they were totally innocent. These arseholes , must be investigated now.

    • @dovetonsturdee7033
      @dovetonsturdee7033 26 днів тому +4

      Probably because the judges and the juries believed the falsehoods presented to them by the Post Office and their 'expert.'
      It is the mentality of 'Experts must always be right.'

    • @ftumschk
      @ftumschk 26 днів тому +3

      @@dovetonsturdee7033 Exactly. The courts can only act on the evidence presented to them by the prosecution and defence teams.

    • @thehellyousay
      @thehellyousay 25 днів тому

      @@dovetonsturdee7033 real experts usually are right, fool.

  • @paulg6637
    @paulg6637 26 днів тому +38

    She's a liar. She needs to go to prison. The evidence against her is overwhelming.

  • @fusionfan6883
    @fusionfan6883 26 днів тому +47

    Second Sight report makes it clear she knew!

  • @bv3bv334
    @bv3bv334 27 днів тому +70

    T H E L Y I N G V I C A R

    • @nickgoatham7981
      @nickgoatham7981 26 днів тому +9

      THE VICAR of GLIBLY. Don't want to trivialise this when innocent people have been imprisoned, and lives ruined, but to sit their and visibly feign remorse and hurt, while concocting transparent lie after lie is unpalatable.
      Surrender dignity , alongside the C.B.E.

    • @flowerflower1392
      @flowerflower1392 25 днів тому +1

      @@nickgoatham7981 she never had any dignity

    • @conorsmith8551
      @conorsmith8551 20 днів тому

      The vicar of Fibley

  • @lesduncan2795
    @lesduncan2795 27 днів тому +50

    Anyone ever hear the phrase ‘A big boy did it and ran away.’ When someone doesn’t answer the direct question and ‘Flowers’ up the response, ‘I got on well with everyone’, the only response I can give is ‘Waffle’!

  • @ewaf88
    @ewaf88 26 днів тому +14

    She's got a response to everything, but an answer to nothing.

  • @user-bl4xm6nq3v
    @user-bl4xm6nq3v 26 днів тому +26

    I hate that smug smile she gives every now and then! Such arrogance!

    • @295walk
      @295walk 21 день тому

      Its a brief moment but when it happened i felt as if were 'Im really one of you please help' type smile . PV has somehow learned to word salad and divert facts away from her. She answers this enquiry in the manner she does under high pressure seat , In her own office she must of had many rows . No matter what you find im not to blame here attitude .

  • @denise4487
    @denise4487 26 днів тому +30

    SHE DID KNOW! They have all pretty much said " i know nothing" when they knew EVERYTHING AND TRIED TO BURY IT, STOLE PEOPLES MONEY , CRIMINALISED THEM AND GAVE THAT MONEY TO SHARE HOLDERS.. DISGUSTING

    • @digitalimager4946
      @digitalimager4946 26 днів тому

      Alright, alright. No need to shout 😳

    • @denise4487
      @denise4487 26 днів тому +2

      @@digitalimager4946 pretty sure that text not vocal😂

  • @jessy970
    @jessy970 26 днів тому +19

    She is only sorry for getting caught out. She doesn’t care about anything else.😡🤬

    • @njkip
      @njkip 24 дні тому

      Absolutely....because she's been caught....she'd gladly have thrown them all to the wolves, I hope she gets jail time the lying B!

  • @version736ha2
    @version736ha2 27 днів тому +38

    Every witness seems to have displayed moderate levels of cognitive impairment, causing them to not understand what they meant by what they wrote a few years ago, and being unable to recall why they did certain things

    • @tariq_sharif
      @tariq_sharif 27 днів тому +5

      ... unless it puts them in a positive position... mysteriously otherwise they do not remember...

    • @debibuxton1335
      @debibuxton1335 27 днів тому +4

      I wonder if there will be some sort of medical council convened to investigate how cases of Very Specific Dementia occurred in one Very Specific Building

    • @daydays12
      @daydays12 26 днів тому +1

      I would have employed almost none of them paper shuffling liars

    • @version736ha2
      @version736ha2 26 днів тому +1

      @tariq_sharif yes. Funny how they can recall stuff that in their eyes may get them off the hook, look favourably for them

  • @georgemorley1029
    @georgemorley1029 25 днів тому +10

    If you ask me, the post office’s fear of being sued by Fujitsu for justifiably calling them out for their bullshit software outweighed their concern for ruining innocent people’s lives with false accusations. Despicable.

  • @martintremethick8370
    @martintremethick8370 26 днів тому +18

    Very high pay to shoulder responsibility, until something goes wrong then they’re not responsible. Sickening.

    • @georgemorley1029
      @georgemorley1029 25 днів тому

      The word you’re looking for is far more serious; accountability. These people must be held accountable for their actions.

  • @paramotorhead
    @paramotorhead 26 днів тому +23

    These words will come back to bite her as more evidence is revealed.

  • @crispiansp
    @crispiansp 25 днів тому +14

    It defies belief that the post office Chief Executive Officer knew nothing of the Horizon ‘bugs’ in 2015. Paula Vennells here gives a masterclass in obfuscation. Jason Beer is excellent in exposing her…..

  • @mickkingston1450
    @mickkingston1450 26 днів тому +20

    What a load of bollocks she is stating...

  • @martinjameslewis5702
    @martinjameslewis5702 27 днів тому +63

    Prison. !!!

  • @columbmurray
    @columbmurray 26 днів тому +39

    This woman should have been a clerk at a P.O. counter giving out stamps. But she's promoted way beyond her competence because ............. I've seen it all in education.

    • @RichardEnglander
      @RichardEnglander 24 дні тому +3

      I spent 15 years teaching. I've seen it too, women and POC over-promoted, people who aren't good at their jobs but who say the magic woke terms.

  • @fergiewergie
    @fergiewergie 26 днів тому +14

    Typical civil servant boss. Just an absolute bully. I worked for a .gov body, a female member of staff made a complaint against a senior manager. Other senior managers forced her out of the organisation.

  • @Notmehimorthem
    @Notmehimorthem 26 днів тому +10

    These rattlesnake tongues of corporate types, make me heave.

  • @hetfieldstoilet
    @hetfieldstoilet 26 днів тому +27

    A Christian lying under oath, shocking.

    • @flowerflower1392
      @flowerflower1392 25 днів тому

      So much about the Church of England...

    • @zapkvr
      @zapkvr 8 днів тому +1

      Happens every single day

  • @sellesportico
    @sellesportico 26 днів тому +14

    She treats this as a game of kick the can for as long as possible.

  • @stevesmith2214
    @stevesmith2214 26 днів тому +10

    Mark my words, not one person will go to prison over this scandal. The status quo in this country always look after their own kind. Scandal after scandal is subject to public inquiry and nothing ever happens to the wrong doers. Hillsboro, Grenfell, the recent contaminated blood problems etc, it's always the same.
    All that happens is that the general public has to pay the lawyers huge fees and the report is forgotten about in a few weeks.

  • @chris-vn6sw
    @chris-vn6sw 26 днів тому +19

    Taken legal advice although she’s nothing to hide 🤔 Hopefully she will face a criminal court. 😡

  • @DavidThompson-cg6hh
    @DavidThompson-cg6hh 27 днів тому +27

    How the worm squirmed!

  • @RichardPonsford-kv2uy
    @RichardPonsford-kv2uy 27 днів тому +45

    Liar!!!!

  • @susieq3260
    @susieq3260 27 днів тому +29

    Word soup nonsense

  • @roberttaylor7373
    @roberttaylor7373 26 днів тому +13

    SHE IS LYING.
    SHE SHOULD GO TO PRISON.
    MANY SUFFERED BECAUSE OF HER.

  • @craigfenton3251
    @craigfenton3251 26 днів тому +12

    Paula for PM? She would make a superb politician.

  • @TheNo1pete
    @TheNo1pete 27 днів тому +45

    LIAR!!!!!!!

  • @Stephenstclair-rg1ck
    @Stephenstclair-rg1ck 27 днів тому +26

    Looks like she’s been to the same briefings or has been briefed by the same people who briefed Blair on how to talk without saying anything

    • @melvynparkerson9984
      @melvynparkerson9984 27 днів тому

      A bit off topic , a post from a desperate Tory who knows the Torie are toast

    • @rogerroger5255
      @rogerroger5255 27 днів тому +8

      @@melvynparkerson9984 This all started under Blair. He forced Horizon through, though not fit for purpose.

    • @Royboy50
      @Royboy50 27 днів тому

      Agree they’re all acting like the new messiah bliar all our prime ministers have taken on that mantra ,I would love to see J B interrogate bliar on his wmd and the 45 minute claim ,what a complete set of incompetent traitors we have in government and in the rest of the establishment

    • @Tazza81
      @Tazza81 26 днів тому +2

      The art of Weasel Words

    • @Stephenstclair-rg1ck
      @Stephenstclair-rg1ck 25 днів тому +1

      @melvynparkerson9984 , not off topic at all Blair forced Horizon through, please do your homework before you make outlandish and incorrect accusations, you did get the fact that the Tories are finished correct but that took no intelligence whatsoever, oh and I’m not a Tory

  • @richardmosley4549
    @richardmosley4549 27 днів тому +36

    Liar

  • @roseco5797
    @roseco5797 26 днів тому +14

    I. DID. KNOW IS THE BLOODY ANSWER

  • @alberttickle1106
    @alberttickle1106 26 днів тому +12

    She is such a liar it's obvious!!!

  • @r1bew42
    @r1bew42 26 днів тому +6

    Why is this happening?? This should be in a court of law now instead of this.

  • @lynnemills2650
    @lynnemills2650 26 днів тому +11

    Who told the Help desk what to say. You are the only one and there are not problems with Horizon

  • @Steviemacdonald6594
    @Steviemacdonald6594 26 днів тому +11

    Jail the liar

  • @user-rs2ky2rd7w
    @user-rs2ky2rd7w 26 днів тому +9

    Why are we allowing this women the opportunity to defend herself, she and her cohorts didn’t give a single thought about the poor buggers they pursued

    • @mikeyoung7660
      @mikeyoung7660 16 днів тому

      Yep they'll all walk away. The PO will be given guide lines on how they must change their practices

  • @theresearcher253
    @theresearcher253 26 днів тому +6

    How did she not know that the PO had its own investigators and prosecutors? Surely, this is something every employee is told on day 1?

  • @kenstats739
    @kenstats739 26 днів тому +6

    I don't think Moya is getting a Christmas card this year.

  • @johannesnicolaas
    @johannesnicolaas 27 днів тому +19

    I didn't answered that question...... (because I had a guilty conscience.... )

  • @eddiedegoede365
    @eddiedegoede365 26 днів тому +10

    If she is not prosecuted in front of a jury it will make a worldwide laughing stock of the British justice system

  • @finianlacy8827
    @finianlacy8827 25 днів тому +22

    We need to stop screaming about how long she deserves in jail..but to EXAMINE THE IDEOLOGY GOING ON HERE AND IN THIS COUNTRY...

    • @sarahtaylor8483
      @sarahtaylor8483 23 дні тому +1

      The ideology is alive and well in the ‘ western world ‘ at least!

  • @derekrobinson5554
    @derekrobinson5554 26 днів тому +12

    This says a lot for religion

  • @jeangenie5807
    @jeangenie5807 26 днів тому +5

    Well done Moya for plain speaking and asking a very straight question. Just a shame it wasn't asked sooner, when cases being investigated, subsequent court cases and convictions were going way above the norm!

  • @andydudley1775
    @andydudley1775 27 днів тому +15

    what a pure borris so superior to others .yets knows nothing no wonder it got knighted.

  • @passplus1
    @passplus1 26 днів тому +14

    Prison

  • @carolynellis387
    @carolynellis387 26 днів тому +5

    A tiny aside here on sentencing values, Alex Belfield got 5 years as an example of what happens in his case.
    This is outstanding, innocent people sent to jail, losing their livilihoods and suicides. No, this woman MUST go to jail.

  • @ianwatkins2879
    @ianwatkins2879 26 днів тому +8

    If the UK made all CEOs accountable, regardless of how much they are paid, we wouldn't be in this mess. ATM we have incredibly well paid CEOs who are completely unaccountable.

  • @susanroberts1446
    @susanroberts1446 26 днів тому +4

    Wish I had a pound for every time she says I can't remember

  • @philhmp4231
    @philhmp4231 26 днів тому +8

    Sorry Paula, but as CEO, pleading long term ignorance doesn't cut it. You took the big salary, now you have to pay the big time in the slammer for your gross negligence.

    • @davidtuer5825
      @davidtuer5825 26 днів тому +2

      Not negligence, incompetence.

    • @philhmp4231
      @philhmp4231 26 днів тому +1

      @@davidtuer5825 Yep! Both. Problem is people don't go to jail for incompetence. Stupidity isn't illegal whereas gross negligence can be a crime.

  • @jonathannorris8992
    @jonathannorris8992 25 днів тому +3

    If anyone else did a fraction of what this women did we would be serving time.

  • @easytiger652
    @easytiger652 26 днів тому +3

    Her and her so-called work colleagues should all be in prison

  • @LupercalRising
    @LupercalRising 25 днів тому +2

    She knew they were innocent but couldnt face the damage the PO would face if it came out

  • @markgrunzweig6377
    @markgrunzweig6377 26 днів тому +4

    The late Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh, has said that people in power, often say that things are complicated, when they just want to see the plain simple truth.

  • @bristolfashion4421
    @bristolfashion4421 25 днів тому +2

    JB KC - so calm, so exact, so thorough… thank-you sir.

  • @user-ht9jw5mo4s
    @user-ht9jw5mo4s 25 днів тому +2

    This whole story is a national disgrace and people need to be help for the lies and misinformation.

  • @DavidJohnson-gh3si
    @DavidJohnson-gh3si 25 днів тому +3

    Jason Beer QC I salute you sir! Gentle but always firm

  • @petercurrell9344
    @petercurrell9344 27 днів тому +8

    Don't the prosecution solicitors have a duty to the defenders

    • @meganm1074
      @meganm1074 26 днів тому +3

      Yes. The inquiry has questioned solicitors, internal Post Office & external ones, about what they knew & their duty of disclosure. There will be disciplinary proceedings against some after this inquiry.

  • @knicol46
    @knicol46 26 днів тому +2

    Corporate bullying in play. The exact same goes on with TV licensing, local councils and other taxpayer funded businesses. The ordinary person has no chance.

  • @nawyecannae53
    @nawyecannae53 25 днів тому +2

    Mansplaining on a whole new level by Paula. The wisest woman in Christendom.

  • @johncrayford3095
    @johncrayford3095 26 днів тому +3

    With all that stolen money an big big bonuses you thought she would get a face lift it's absolutely hideous know wonder she's in tears sweet Jesus

  • @kascally
    @kascally 23 дні тому +2

    So, you can pocket the better part of a million pounds a year for wandering around the corridors of a large corporation, chatting to some passing employee, listening to other people making decisions at meetings, watching other people at work, without having the slightest clue yourself about what’s going on. Any more of these jobs available?

  • @anthonystorey2953
    @anthonystorey2953 26 днів тому +2

    Watching this brings to mind the frase " oh what tangled webs we weave when we practice to deceive " ! People not money, dodge the responsibility = prison!

  • @stetomlinson3146
    @stetomlinson3146 25 днів тому +2

    How much bluff and bluster must we endure from the whole lot of these lie, platitude and obfuscation merchants. From the BS spouting CEO to the lying heartless prosecutors, not one has had the common decency to put their hands up and say they take responsibility. They ALL have zero honour and common humanity. How their families and friends must feel watching this is beyond me.

  • @TONE11111
    @TONE11111 26 днів тому +5

    THE VICAR OF FIDDLY

    • @Scott-up3bq
      @Scott-up3bq 26 днів тому

      😅😅😅😅 g'day from Fremantle western Australia

    • @Scott-up3bq
      @Scott-up3bq 26 днів тому

      Great comment, watching this from Australia 🦘 came here as a child but still english......just

  • @ronyagpd
    @ronyagpd 23 дні тому +2

    At the very least this is gross dereliction of duty.

  • @johnsymons6862
    @johnsymons6862 26 днів тому +2

    Funny about these managers, nobody knows anything or can't remember!