Fun fact: Every human already has two consciences operating inside of them without having a lobotomy. Your left brain is reading this and realizing that it is not alone, the right brain already knows this.
It's really sad to think about an entire generation of creative and bright minds that were destroyed for convenience of corrupt authorities and forced compliance.
@niwoh What the hell are you on about? Antidepressants might change the way your brain works, sure, but they don’t reduce someone to a shell of a person like a lobotomy did, and their effects aren’t irreversible like a lobotomy’s are. Those are enormous differences.
@@mailcs06 Go visit a psych ward for a day and say that again. Sure the pills are less barbaric, but those two things have a LOT more in common than they have differences.
@@mailcs06 Also the "reversability" is iffy at best, it's less irreversible than physically scooping out a part of the brain I'd hope, but not much more than that, I bet they would have told you the same about lobotomies back in the day "any negative effects could potentially disappear, so it's totally reversible". At the same time there's reports of people who lost 90% of their brain to accident or disease with barely any noticeable difference to their intelligence and functions and there's essentially the oppsite, very small damage to brain matter and they're completely gone, so apparently even that doesn't mean anything.
I wonder if this is why older generations have weird opinions about mental illness. “They didn’t have that when I was younger” because they were all lobotomized and kept hidden away…
Yeah this is pretty much it. That was what they did with *a lot* of people. Also, I hear people talk about autism in that way like it's something new. It was actually only defined fairly recently but it's a condition that has existed - obviously - it was discovered and not "invented" so that's another aspect. Probably a lot of people blended in and were just regarded as weird or odd and that's just how things were. Now we can actually help, just recognizing it can help.
As much as things change they stay the same. Like all of us, old people are limited by their perception of the world, they were far less aware of crimes and mental health issues due to the lack of information going around. We are now overly aware of everything that goes wrong and it makes its seem like things have gotten much worse than they have
@@CAMSLAYER13A mix of both, with changes in technology and more folks being shut in and less focused on socializing outside of a screen it definitely has not done well for the mental health of many growing up with that. I'm not that old but I'm old enough where nobody was getting lobotomies.. things are definitely worse now. We see more, and there is more.
@Grayfox354 yea but its not that much worse. We had a lot of violent crime, gangs, stressful lives, mental decline. it just mostly went under the rug in the past, most people didn't know much about it.
Am Schizospec(not schizophrenic, but have a psychotic disorder). Being called a "household pet" hypothetical post-lobotomy by that textbook or whatever made me whiteknuckle my phone with pure hate. The modern psych industry is bad enough. They admit they barely know whats going on while also claiming to know exactly what to do and they call MY thinking disorganized? Ha. May every lobotomy victim rest in peace and eventually be avenged.
reading stories about these patients filled me with so much rage and also got me scared. really high chance I would've been lobotomized some decades ago. some of society's most vulnerable were so wronged, and it was somehow accepted and even seen as 'the most humane option' bs
@@thepoopieshow looking at the before and after pics i can just imagine some smug “common sense” type argument being made by barry from the pub, that are immediately accepted by everyone in the vicinity
@@tillburr6799 Lobotomies were for the high and mighty, barry from the pub's house cost as much as a lobotomy. No we wouldn't get lobotomies because we're too broke to afford becoming a human pet.
If I'd been born as little as 15 years earlier than I was, I 100% would have been given a lobotomy. Why? I'm autistic and have ADHD. The "treatment" I got in the '80s was cruel and useless enough. Turns out, psychiatrist-triggered PTSD is functionality untreatable. (hugs psych sib)
This misses the context that asylums were not filled with mentally ill people, but anyone who had attitude or "morality" issues. For example, women who cheated on their husbands, or didn't want to get married could be put into an asylum for thinking that way. The asylums were overcrowded because the mentally ill where not the only people there getting "treatment". And at the time, asylums were used for every problem, depression, anxiety- minor issuses that one could easily mangage with a little empathy and human connection, and more severe but much less common issues, issues like Down Syndrome, which, clearly doesn't require an asylum, just additional resources for education, and issues that were hard to treat like severe schizophrenia. EVERYONE got sent there if they didn't come out the box- "normal" "morally a good christian". And asylums were mostly assult camps. Using sexual violence as a "treatment". They often sent the children born from long term asylum patients away to be adopted by unsuspecting families. They invented things like restraints to just-- indefinitely leave these people tied up and unable to fight back "for their saftey". So- I strongly disagree with the sentiment "this was the best solution of the time" because it was NEVER a solution for helping the individuals be calm or happy, or cured. It made them more easy to abuse. The treatment was not for their benefit, it was for the benefit of the family or the doctors. Men escpecially had the right to labotomize their wife if she was "causing trouble" at home. And that was enough evidence to make her more of a puppet and slave than before. The internal reality of feeling but being unable to express anything, is hell. There is no defense for this.
I'm calling bullshit on the idea that restraints were invented to assault people. Doctors have understood the medical necessity of restraining people under certain circumstances for centuries, far predating the development of the asylum system. This is easily verifiable with a simple internet search.
My Nan was hysterical with post-natal-depression. My Grandad came home from work and found her mid psychotic break, rocking and sobbing on the floor whilst the baby (my Dad) and the toddler (my Uncle) were doing whatever and coated in their own filth. My Grandad called the ambulances and they took her away. Tbey locked her up and strapped her down and gave her shock therapy for 4 days. It traumatised her for life. It didn't help her at all and it just made her into more of a nervous wreck. That happened when she was 19 and she still visibly shakes recalling it now in her late 70s. She is a paranoid hypercondriac who isn't good at boundaries. I thought that was traumatising enough. If she was a parent a decade prior, she almost definitely would have been lobotomised instead. Usually I'd think that forgotten memories would help you cope with issues. Now, I realise that, between the two procedures, my Nan may have lasting life-long trauma, but it's better than being vacant and unable to recall memories at all.
"lobotomy patients were subjected to a fate worse than death but at least their families got to keep a vegetative husk of their relative" is certainly one of the opinions of all time
I hate that we "had" to commit heinous attrocities in order to develop decent modern medicine. As an autistic person I'd rather be labled the weirdo than be turned into a vegetable
We didn’t have to turn people into a potato to understand mental health like we didn’t have to surgically implant rocks into people to understand kidney stones
would you rather be labeled the weirdo and kept in a massively crowded asylum for the rest of your life? Probably still beats getting lobotomized actually..
Unit 731 is suspected to have expanded the understanding of modern medicine by over 25 years from organs, hormones, and viruses By testing on alive people from mostly china With only 9 years we learned so much about the human body Saving hundreds of thousands For the cost of a dozen thousand
When I learned of Rosemary Kennedy I recall the reasoning was, and this was the only reason, was because she was fiercely willed, smarter than most of her suitors and of STRONG opinion and her father worried that she'd never be fit for marriage and would be an embarrassment for the family. Yea. It's even more ick than you thought. I doubt any ret-conning describing her as epileptic and find all that extremely sus.
I recall "promiscuity" being cited. I should say *suspected* because they just sort of thought that's what she was up to? Very sad. In general though women were less than half of psychiatric cases they made up the majority of lobotomy procedures for reasons like this :(
@@mountaindewherbert Implying promiscuity shouldn't be punished being crux of your argument is not a very defensible stance, better stick to focusing on how barbaric and irreversible procedure was. Cause if you leave your little internet bubble you'd see that solid 4/5ths of the world around you is pro punishing promiscuity committed by both sexes.
While I agree with the sentiment, those don't seem to be the facts. Rosemary went to two different schools for special education at a really young age. That doesn't seem like a "retcon", and we have massive buildings in one of them as proof of her stay - her family's payment for Rosemary being kept away from the public eye. On top of that, her letters and diaries show a very childish calligraphy and wording, as well as regular spelling mistakes. Of course, this doesn't mean her intelectual disabilities could have been exaggerated, nor that women's autonomy wasn't heavily restricted at the time. As a matter of fact, some people who studied the subject more than me argue that Rosemary was autistic, and possibly not intellectually disabled at all, just unable to properly express her thoughts. But if we stick with the facts, unless I am missing something major, the idea that she was "secretly a very smart woman who was lobotomized to curb her autonomy" doesn't get much credit.
"Simple schizophrenia patients make nice household pets after operation." Did (some of) humanity just collectively gain empathy the past few decades? That being said, why can't I be a simple household pet?
no, medicating is just way easier than surgery, and although surgery is more expensive, meds have a higher research cost but a higher profit as well, so pharma pushes their meds way more than anyone would push for surgery. (and medical professionals indeed are a lot more empathic towards their patients, as well as giving more value to mental health, but the general public on the other hand... I have no doubt many, many parents would lobotomize their children if they could)
The very concept of the lobotomy freaks me the hell out. I even had to turn away from the cute little animations of the procedure being done. It is a testament to my love of the poopie show that I clicked on this video in the first place. Thank you for the nightmares.
I know the doctors conversation after she stopped talking. Doctor 1 “did it work”, Doctor 2 “ well shes not talking anymore heh heh” then they both laugh, kick a puppy and move on with their day
I mean **technically** it worked in the sense that it had the desired effect the procedure intended - an effect that was a horrendous and inhumane solution to mental illness and other issues.
A family member of mine works with mentally handicapped people who live in adult full time care facilities. One of her residents was lobotomized in like the 50’s or 60’s. She was so sweet, I would visit sometimes, and she would always ask how I and other family members that would visit were doing. She LOVED to play bingo! But yeah, she had to be one of the last people to be lobotomized.
Insane ro watch this knowing that I almost 100% would have been subjected to it. And like I'm an engineer now. But at 22 I was hospitalized and sedated for over a year for issues that turned out to be entirely treatable once they were understood. But back then, no one would have cared a lick.
The lobotomy arguably had a niche prior to the invention of anti-psychotics for severe and untreatable Asylum patients. In fact the reason ‘classical Asylums’ were so common from 1850-1950 was because there weren’t really other options. They shrunk rapidly in number afterwards and the last of the old Asylums were gone by 1985. They never should have been done without extreme care, they never should have been thrown around for minor issues, and they should have stopped the moment anti-psychotics were developed
When people have really bad problems and you find something that is horrible but at least stops them from killing themselves you might try it. We are not beyond this stage in modern medicine and psychology. We are still doing that and have a long way to go.
Epileptic speaking: it was brutal, but lobotomies did actually have a success rate for curing epilepsy. Today, some epileptics who are resistant to medications get the section of their brain that causes their seizures surgically removed, a similar idea.
If the only treatment sucks because the whole industry sucks and haven’t really developed yet, then is it still stupid? Yes. Lobotomy may give us an important retrospective, but, purely for their times, I’d say it’d be better to not have a 'treatment' at all than to have one that sucks. Ie: it’s sometimes better to not have a solution than to be actively harmful through the only solution you have. Also, the lack of autonomy people with any kind of a mental (or not) problem had back then is terrifying.
It wasn't elective either, someone else would just decide that you need your brains scooped out and that was that. Their word was enough to totally destroy a person, for any reason they deemed fit.
0:50 why did that make me so uncomfortable the video JUST started 😭 also omg claire's mentioned??? anyway u did a rlly good job covering the history of the lobotomy, i like :3
Honestly the best defense I can come up with is "It's better than the solution the Germans used to clear out their asylums" which is about the lowest bar one could humanly clear
HOLY SHIT IM EARLY. I LOVE YOU POOPIE!!❤❤ I can’t listen to anything “informative” without it being someone who has a voice like yours 😭😭 LIKE YOUR VOICE IS SO CUTE.
@@unreadlibrarianwhat the actual fuck are you talking about if you mean trans kids maybe just learn a little more about that before you compare it to shoving an ice pick into someone’s head He was never a real doctor, unlike the thousands of real doctors and psychologists that have been working on trans medicine for literally over 100 years No children under the age of 16 are getting surgery no one under the age of 18 is getting sex reassignment surgery because it would be impossible to do correctly because you need to be on cross sex hormones for a long time before your body could even be anatomically capable of that But most importantly lobotomies were not done for the betterment of the patient as she literally explained in the video. Medical transition is for the betterment of the patient’s mental health and has been proven to decrease suicidal thoughts and self harm actions in trans people as well as having a lower regret rate as hip replacements Hope this helps ❤
"dr" freeman performed 3,500 lobotomies in his career. He boasted of an 85% success rate. It was later revealed that he had a 15% fatality rate. He basically just called it a success if the patient didn't die immediately. About 12% of patients developed epilepsy, an increased chance of developing dimentia, personality "changes" that range from apathy to a permanent vegetative state, brain hemorrhage, brain abcess, no ability to regulate emotions, and at a rate of about 30%, an increase in the symptoms the lobotomy was supposed to reduce. The "successful" lobotomies were basically just a catch all for saying the patient wasnt in need of the institution anymore, since they no longer had the symptoms they were sent there for. Which included stuff like being gay, or a woman was "hysterical" or was cheating on their spouse. Lobotomy is called the "worst surgery in history" for a reason. It didn't help that there wasnt a strict standard procedure to follow, as many of the people performing these surgeries had their own variations.
I have ASPD, I got treatment for it, it took a long time and I still show symptoms though things are mostly under my control, if you gave me the option to have to go through all of that again while also taking five times the time it took, or take a lobotomy to solve it, I'd do it again at five times the time required to complete treatment every single time.
Its 3 AM honestly not having the greatest time, decide to click this videos notification to distract myself and it opens like that lol. Kinda funny thou how awfully timed it is.
I've lived a violent life. I don't fear death, and I don't fear god; but fuck me sideways this video sent a chill down my spine. Lobotomy feels like a violation of one's soul.
Trained Surgeons from Medieval times: I literally drained people’s blood when they had the flu, I’m the worst person in medical history Some random dudes from the 30’s: Hold my brain pokey stick
I find brain issues are very common among Catholics I assume it’s due to being hit in the head a lot as a child based on the cases I’ve seen but they take decades to play out
At 5:10, I was interested to look into the difference the procedure was viewed and how success was measured between men and women and what I found was fu**ed up. In terms of who got lobotomies, 60% were women with the information you added in which it was viewed as a fad, but secondarily, the amount of women who underwent it mostly were coerced by other women or men for the feature in which it provides "passivity" a.k.a. the ability to defend yourself of have to ability to communicate. In terms of the success, if the procedure was done on a women and if the symptoms included brain hemorrhages, seizures, or worse, but they became passive, IT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS?!?! But on a man, NOOOOO THATS A FAILURE. I would like to add that lobotomies as with the research I've done, became only heavily restricted after Freeman killed his last patient and lost his license after almost 500 DEAD!!
I agree, I really recommend reading 'Women with Serious Mental Illness: Gender-Sensitive and Recovery-Oriented Care' if u haven't already. and honestly ik it was 60% but the amount of 'successful' afters that were women was higher which says a lot.
What fucks me up the most about lobotomies is that I and a lot of people I know probably would've been suggested to get one or forced to get one against our will if we were alive and kicking back then 🤕
"live. laugh. lobotomy." simple, yet motivating.
Came to make this exact comment😂
"we must eat birds whole and then make people not remember things"
live laugh huh
the way that line chokes me, i- 😭
Some things are better not to
fixing personality disorders by getting rid of your personality
"You cannot have personality disorders if you don't have a personality 👍"
-The guy who invented lobotomy
Now all you have left are your disorders
Doesn’t sound too bad
Antidepressant moment.
@@PlanktonWhispererAntipsychotic moment, theyre just a modernized lobotomy.
in defense of lobotomy : we had to try to know it doesn't work
The scientific metod in a nutshell.
that was a shit tons of tries
In defence of lobotomy... I mean they did work technically 😂
Fun fact: Every human already has two consciences operating inside of them without having a lobotomy. Your left brain is reading this and realizing that it is not alone, the right brain already knows this.
And, just to make sure, repeat it 50 thousand times
It's really sad to think about an entire generation of creative and bright minds that were destroyed for convenience of corrupt authorities and forced compliance.
Antidepressants and the like are not much different and in 50 years tops people will be saying the same about them.
@niwoh
What the hell are you on about? Antidepressants might change the way your brain works, sure, but they don’t reduce someone to a shell of a person like a lobotomy did, and their effects aren’t irreversible like a lobotomy’s are. Those are enormous differences.
@@mailcs06it’s definitely not in the same level but we really don’t know enough about the brain to know if that’s true or not
@@mailcs06 Go visit a psych ward for a day and say that again.
Sure the pills are less barbaric, but those two things have a LOT more in common than they have differences.
@@mailcs06 Also the "reversability" is iffy at best, it's less irreversible than physically scooping out a part of the brain I'd hope, but not much more than that, I bet they would have told you the same about lobotomies back in the day "any negative effects could potentially disappear, so it's totally reversible".
At the same time there's reports of people who lost 90% of their brain to accident or disease with barely any noticeable difference to their intelligence and functions and there's essentially the oppsite, very small damage to brain matter and they're completely gone, so apparently even that doesn't mean anything.
I wonder if this is why older generations have weird opinions about mental illness. “They didn’t have that when I was younger” because they were all lobotomized and kept hidden away…
Yeah this is pretty much it.
That was what they did with *a lot* of people.
Also, I hear people talk about autism in that way like it's something new. It was actually only defined fairly recently but it's a condition that has existed - obviously - it was discovered and not "invented" so that's another aspect. Probably a lot of people blended in and were just regarded as weird or odd and that's just how things were.
Now we can actually help, just recognizing it can help.
As much as things change they stay the same. Like all of us, old people are limited by their perception of the world, they were far less aware of crimes and mental health issues due to the lack of information going around. We are now overly aware of everything that goes wrong and it makes its seem like things have gotten much worse than they have
@@CAMSLAYER13A mix of both, with changes in technology and more folks being shut in and less focused on socializing outside of a screen it definitely has not done well for the mental health of many growing up with that.
I'm not that old but I'm old enough where nobody was getting lobotomies.. things are definitely worse now. We see more, and there is more.
@Grayfox354 yea but its not that much worse. We had a lot of violent crime, gangs, stressful lives, mental decline. it just mostly went under the rug in the past, most people didn't know much about it.
That's exactly it. It "didn't exist" back then because they were forced to hide, tortured, or killed!
Am Schizospec(not schizophrenic, but have a psychotic disorder). Being called a "household pet" hypothetical post-lobotomy by that textbook or whatever made me whiteknuckle my phone with pure hate. The modern psych industry is bad enough. They admit they barely know whats going on while also claiming to know exactly what to do and they call MY thinking disorganized? Ha.
May every lobotomy victim rest in peace and eventually be avenged.
reading stories about these patients filled me with so much rage and also got me scared. really high chance I would've been lobotomized some decades ago. some of society's most vulnerable were so wronged, and it was somehow accepted and even seen as 'the most humane option' bs
@@thepoopieshow ''really high chance I would've been lobotomized some decades ago.'' same
@@thepoopieshow looking at the before and after pics i can just imagine some smug “common sense” type argument being made by barry from the pub, that are immediately accepted by everyone in the vicinity
@@tillburr6799 Lobotomies were for the high and mighty, barry from the pub's house cost as much as a lobotomy.
No we wouldn't get lobotomies because we're too broke to afford becoming a human pet.
If I'd been born as little as 15 years earlier than I was, I 100% would have been given a lobotomy. Why? I'm autistic and have ADHD. The "treatment" I got in the '80s was cruel and useless enough. Turns out, psychiatrist-triggered PTSD is functionality untreatable.
(hugs psych sib)
You know you're in for a wild ride with a title like that.
Lobotomy apology video
Freeman apology video
Lobotomy Apology video Ukulele and everything 😔✋
brain freeze that hits different got me cackling
I was quite proud of that one
Lobotomy my fav piercing
ngl sometimes I think ab this when I'm piercing someone's eyebrow and it gets really quiet in the studio
@@thepoopieshow Poopie holding the needle up to the customer's eye, with a thousand yard stare. Not surprised the studio gets quiet.
kurt cobain tried it though another method with mixed results
Got mine done at Clair’s 🥰
@@redmist6630the results were mixed alright
This misses the context that asylums were not filled with mentally ill people, but anyone who had attitude or "morality" issues. For example, women who cheated on their husbands, or didn't want to get married could be put into an asylum for thinking that way.
The asylums were overcrowded because the mentally ill where not the only people there getting "treatment".
And at the time, asylums were used for every problem, depression, anxiety- minor issuses that one could easily mangage with a little empathy and human connection, and more severe but much less common issues, issues like Down Syndrome, which, clearly doesn't require an asylum, just additional resources for education, and issues that were hard to treat like severe schizophrenia. EVERYONE got sent there if they didn't come out the box- "normal" "morally a good christian". And asylums were mostly assult camps. Using sexual violence as a "treatment".
They often sent the children born from long term asylum patients away to be adopted by unsuspecting families. They invented things like restraints to just-- indefinitely leave these people tied up and unable to fight back "for their saftey".
So- I strongly disagree with the sentiment "this was the best solution of the time" because it was NEVER a solution for helping the individuals be calm or happy, or cured. It made them more easy to abuse. The treatment was not for their benefit, it was for the benefit of the family or the doctors. Men escpecially had the right to labotomize their wife if she was "causing trouble" at home. And that was enough evidence to make her more of a puppet and slave than before. The internal reality of feeling but being unable to express anything, is hell.
There is no defense for this.
Agreed, so many of these issues could've been solved by simply discussing.
Thank you for writing this. Wholeheartedly agree.
Very much agree
I'm calling bullshit on the idea that restraints were invented to assault people. Doctors have understood the medical necessity of restraining people under certain circumstances for centuries, far predating the development of the asylum system. This is easily verifiable with a simple internet search.
Incredibly well put!
My Nan was hysterical with post-natal-depression. My Grandad came home from work and found her mid psychotic break, rocking and sobbing on the floor whilst the baby (my Dad) and the toddler (my Uncle) were doing whatever and coated in their own filth.
My Grandad called the ambulances and they took her away. Tbey locked her up and strapped her down and gave her shock therapy for 4 days.
It traumatised her for life. It didn't help her at all and it just made her into more of a nervous wreck. That happened when she was 19 and she still visibly shakes recalling it now in her late 70s. She is a paranoid hypercondriac who isn't good at boundaries.
I thought that was traumatising enough. If she was a parent a decade prior, she almost definitely would have been lobotomised instead.
Usually I'd think that forgotten memories would help you cope with issues. Now, I realise that, between the two procedures, my Nan may have lasting life-long trauma, but it's better than being vacant and unable to recall memories at all.
"lobotomy patients were subjected to a fate worse than death but at least their families got to keep a vegetative husk of their relative" is certainly one of the opinions of all time
I hate that we "had" to commit heinous attrocities in order to develop decent modern medicine. As an autistic person I'd rather be labled the weirdo than be turned into a vegetable
Especially with all these vegans around. I would fear for my life if could think.
We didn’t have to turn people into a potato to understand mental health like we didn’t have to surgically implant rocks into people to understand kidney stones
@@DbleOohWoo7 I get that, but it's not literally the same as a surgery that makes people lose their personality, thoughts, memories and feelings
would you rather be labeled the weirdo and kept in a massively crowded asylum for the rest of your life? Probably still beats getting lobotomized actually..
Unit 731 is suspected to have expanded the understanding of modern medicine by over 25 years from organs, hormones, and viruses
By testing on alive people from mostly china
With only 9 years we learned so much about the human body
Saving hundreds of thousands
For the cost of a dozen thousand
I have ADHD and I am female, so the fact that if I was born a few decades earlier i would have been lobotomized is crazy to me.
I'm a guy but I'm pretty sure id also be in danger of lobotomy because of my countless diagnosis
Add dyslexia into the mix, and you have me. I eould definitely have gotten one too
I'm autistic and bipolar so that's unfortunate
So near, but so far.
*could
We are entering dangerous waters with this one poopie
When I learned of Rosemary Kennedy I recall the reasoning was, and this was the only reason, was because she was fiercely willed, smarter than most of her suitors and of STRONG opinion and her father worried that she'd never be fit for marriage and would be an embarrassment for the family.
Yea. It's even more ick than you thought. I doubt any ret-conning describing her as epileptic and find all that extremely sus.
yeah calling it 'tantrums' and her 'rebellious'. absolutely sick.
I recall "promiscuity" being cited. I should say *suspected* because they just sort of thought that's what she was up to?
Very sad. In general though women were less than half of psychiatric cases they made up the majority of lobotomy procedures for reasons like this :(
@@mountaindewherbert Implying promiscuity shouldn't be punished being crux of your argument is not a very defensible stance, better stick to focusing on how barbaric and irreversible procedure was. Cause if you leave your little internet bubble you'd see that solid 4/5ths of the world around you is pro punishing promiscuity committed by both sexes.
While I agree with the sentiment, those don't seem to be the facts.
Rosemary went to two different schools for special education at a really young age. That doesn't seem like a "retcon", and we have massive buildings in one of them as proof of her stay - her family's payment for Rosemary being kept away from the public eye.
On top of that, her letters and diaries show a very childish calligraphy and wording, as well as regular spelling mistakes.
Of course, this doesn't mean her intelectual disabilities could have been exaggerated, nor that women's autonomy wasn't heavily restricted at the time. As a matter of fact, some people who studied the subject more than me argue that Rosemary was autistic, and possibly not intellectually disabled at all, just unable to properly express her thoughts. But if we stick with the facts, unless I am missing something major, the idea that she was "secretly a very smart woman who was lobotomized to curb her autonomy" doesn't get much credit.
@@marcospatricio8283 Interesting! Thank you for informing me. I figured I didn't have the whole story.
this is the only title of a youtube video that has truly caught me off guard
This high pitched gremlin rambling about man-made horrors that are within human comprehension is entertaining, subbed.
Your voice is the most comforting and horrifying thing I've ever listened to.
More!
Its like a british little girl that didn't outgrow babytalk
I lost it at "the lobotomy express. ᶜʰᵒᵒ ᶜʰᵒᵒ"
"Knew the procedure was over when she stopped speaking." - They will know judgement is nigh when they stop speaking.
"Simple schizophrenia patients make nice household pets after operation." Did (some of) humanity just collectively gain empathy the past few decades?
That being said, why can't I be a simple household pet?
lmfao
I wish Iw as a household pet too
@@door-chan we'll find owner one day fren ;-;
Yeah
Kinda..
no, medicating is just way easier than surgery, and although surgery is more expensive, meds have a higher research cost but a higher profit as well, so pharma pushes their meds way more than anyone would push for surgery.
(and medical professionals indeed are a lot more empathic towards their patients, as well as giving more value to mental health, but the general public on the other hand... I have no doubt many, many parents would lobotomize their children if they could)
The very concept of the lobotomy freaks me the hell out. I even had to turn away from the cute little animations of the procedure being done. It is a testament to my love of the poopie show that I clicked on this video in the first place.
Thank you for the nightmares.
Lobotomies where performed in such a barbaric way. Nowadays we just have an app for that.
EDIT: WTF i wrote that before seeing the end of the video
two great minds thinking
@@thepoopieshow i think that toghether we amount to a total of 0.7 brains, assuming you only lost 0.3 on your lobotomy.
nothing will ever have a better name than "lobotomobile"
I know the doctors conversation after she stopped talking. Doctor 1 “did it work”, Doctor 2 “ well shes not talking anymore heh heh” then they both laugh, kick a puppy and move on with their day
the puppy part really got me
Cogito ergo sum, they essentially killed her teehee
and they ate a baby
A literal child explaining lobotomy to me is probably the least expected thing to see on my recommended feed tbh 💀
She works in like a tattoo parlor or something, though.
I mean **technically** it worked in the sense that it had the desired effect the procedure intended - an effect that was a horrendous and inhumane solution to mental illness and other issues.
I only use locally-sourced non-invasive cage-free lobotomy alternatives like Shorts
short pants
Here's a horrifying thought: someone was the last person to get lobotomized
Not if we start back up again! :)
It's me.
I don’t think there’s been a “last person” yet
A family member of mine works with mentally handicapped people who live in adult full time care facilities. One of her residents was lobotomized in like the 50’s or 60’s. She was so sweet, I would visit sometimes, and she would always ask how I and other family members that would visit were doing. She LOVED to play bingo! But yeah, she had to be one of the last people to be lobotomized.
@SarahNova it was still going on even after that
this was the one voice i didnt expect when i clicked the video called "in defense of the lobotomy"
As my dad used to say "I'd rather have a battle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."
i'd rather have both
i think this is the earliest ive ever been to a video by complete accident
Yay🎉
Omg Same!!!!!
first time I've posted before midnight uk time, so I've never been this early either!
@@thepoopieshow Technically, the video would have been earlier if you had posted it after midnight /j
Me too
4:25 i actually have a pin/button that says "i got my lobotomy at claires" lmao
the way they pierce at that place is nothing short of a lobotomy
Insane ro watch this knowing that I almost 100% would have been subjected to it.
And like I'm an engineer now. But at 22 I was hospitalized and sedated for over a year for issues that turned out to be entirely treatable once they were understood.
But back then, no one would have cared a lick.
What were the issues if you don't mind me asking?
@@GldnClaw He likes to fuck animals? Did you really have to ask?
Only poopie could make multiple dessert references in a video about lobotomies.
Mhh rocky road and gray matter.🤤
The lobotomy arguably had a niche prior to the invention of anti-psychotics for severe and untreatable Asylum patients. In fact the reason ‘classical Asylums’ were so common from 1850-1950 was because there weren’t really other options. They shrunk rapidly in number afterwards and the last of the old Asylums were gone by 1985.
They never should have been done without extreme care, they never should have been thrown around for minor issues, and they should have stopped the moment anti-psychotics were developed
When people have really bad problems and you find something that is horrible but at least stops them from killing themselves you might try it.
We are not beyond this stage in modern medicine and psychology. We are still doing that and have a long way to go.
Epileptic speaking: it was brutal, but lobotomies did actually have a success rate for curing epilepsy. Today, some epileptics who are resistant to medications get the section of their brain that causes their seizures surgically removed, a similar idea.
im very happy this Channel is blowing up slowly ^
keep it up
Was talking with my friend about psychological disorders and then the notification came up
Must be a sign from the Lobotogods
This shit is so sad no joke can relieve it. It's just depressing and uncanny.
Fr its so sad most of the comments are jokes , im actually horrifed
Yes people really are the most unethical species in earth lol, also kindred.
I just found your channel earlier today during work. It’s so perfect that you posted today, I love your content!
Fun fact the thumbnail depicts a leucotomy, which is performed through the scull, while a lobotomy is performed through the eye socket.
0:14 I am about to brew some psychocoffee myself
If the only treatment sucks because the whole industry sucks and haven’t really developed yet, then is it still stupid? Yes. Lobotomy may give us an important retrospective, but, purely for their times, I’d say it’d be better to not have a 'treatment' at all than to have one that sucks. Ie: it’s sometimes better to not have a solution than to be actively harmful through the only solution you have. Also, the lack of autonomy people with any kind of a mental (or not) problem had back then is terrifying.
It wasn't elective either, someone else would just decide that you need your brains scooped out and that was that. Their word was enough to totally destroy a person, for any reason they deemed fit.
5:40 that mural hits hard.
Your cute Disney voice talking about horrible things never ceases to make me giggle
I had my lobotomy done 2 days prior, thats how i found this channel after all
Yeah why is she telling us about something we've all already had?
That hand scratching the brain part made my bones feel wet in the worst way possible
0:50 why did that make me so uncomfortable the video JUST started 😭
also omg claire's mentioned???
anyway u did a rlly good job covering the history of the lobotomy, i like :3
6:22 THE BELL JAR IS SO GOOD!!
I agree, I felt subhuman for like a week after it, very good
Less of a tearjerker, and more of a soulrender of a book. I haven't stopped thinking of figs.
Just found this channel, absolutely love the the humor and animation. Can’t wait to see this channel blow up
man this is the most horrifying yet insanely upbeat video i've ever seen. Take my upvote you monster
Honestly the best defense I can come up with is "It's better than the solution the Germans used to clear out their asylums" which is about the lowest bar one could humanly clear
HOLY SHIT IM EARLY. I LOVE YOU POOPIE!!❤❤ I can’t listen to anything “informative” without it being someone who has a voice like yours 😭😭 LIKE YOUR VOICE IS SO CUTE.
"you know that the procedure is done when the patient stop speaking" is wild
Why is lobotomy becoming a popular topic rn?
Geometry dash
Chemical & even physical sexual lobotomies ongoing in pediatric care scenarios.
@@unreadlibrarianyes because turning people into a vegetable against their will and taking estrogen are the same clearly?
@@unreadlibrarianwhat the actual fuck are you talking about if you mean trans kids maybe just learn a little more about that before you compare it to shoving an ice pick into someone’s head
He was never a real doctor, unlike the thousands of real doctors and psychologists that have been working on trans medicine for literally over 100 years
No children under the age of 16 are getting surgery no one under the age of 18 is getting sex reassignment surgery because it would be impossible to do correctly because you need to be on cross sex hormones for a long time before your body could even be anatomically capable of that
But most importantly lobotomies were not done for the betterment of the patient as she literally explained in the video. Medical transition is for the betterment of the patient’s mental health and has been proven to decrease suicidal thoughts and self harm actions in trans people as well as having a lower regret rate as hip replacements
Hope this helps ❤
I think it’s because of the overall increase in discussing mental health issues and people want to be relived of there mental health issues
Hearing this cutsie voice talk about lobotomies and the suffering of thousands hit me harder than the lobotomy
not a SINGLE lobotomy Kaisen reference society is healing
And no project moon lobotomy corporation reference?? I am going to punish the sleeper agents for this mistake
"dr" freeman performed 3,500 lobotomies in his career. He boasted of an 85% success rate. It was later revealed that he had a 15% fatality rate. He basically just called it a success if the patient didn't die immediately. About 12% of patients developed epilepsy, an increased chance of developing dimentia, personality "changes" that range from apathy to a permanent vegetative state, brain hemorrhage, brain abcess, no ability to regulate emotions, and at a rate of about 30%, an increase in the symptoms the lobotomy was supposed to reduce. The "successful" lobotomies were basically just a catch all for saying the patient wasnt in need of the institution anymore, since they no longer had the symptoms they were sent there for. Which included stuff like being gay, or a woman was "hysterical" or was cheating on their spouse. Lobotomy is called the "worst surgery in history" for a reason. It didn't help that there wasnt a strict standard procedure to follow, as many of the people performing these surgeries had their own variations.
This is my new favourite channel
I know i have Project Moon brainrot when i tread this title as "In Defense of Lobotomy Corp"
Not even poopie can defend some of the god awful game design decisions of that game
Lobotomy? As in... THE HIT GAME LOBOTOMY CORPORATION?? GRAHH GOOD WORK RESULTS
FACE THE FEAR, BUILD THE FUTURE 🗣️🔥🔥
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Finally i been looking for this
Sleeper agents, awaken!
7:00 true only issue is it melts your entire brain
I have ASPD, I got treatment for it, it took a long time and I still show symptoms though things are mostly under my control, if you gave me the option to have to go through all of that again while also taking five times the time it took, or take a lobotomy to solve it, I'd do it again at five times the time required to complete treatment every single time.
Im quite disappointed in myself and in the YT algorithm for just finding this channel. I love it so much
Thank you mini ENA.
She does kinda look like ena
My new fav channel. Humour, toons and hot takes
Letsgoooo, another underated UA-camr has popped up on my yt page again!
Lobotomy be like:
"HOLE IN DA SKULL!1!!!1!!"
so true
Its 3 AM honestly not having the greatest time, decide to click this videos notification to distract myself and it opens like that lol. Kinda funny thou how awfully timed it is.
you know things are going to end up bad when it's a psychologist doing experiments
"Imagine going up to him asking for a rocket loli and instead leaving with brain freeze that just hits differently"
the term ‘lobotomy’ *is* quite relevant right about now.
I've lived a violent life. I don't fear death, and I don't fear god; but fuck me sideways this video sent a chill down my spine. Lobotomy feels like a violation of one's soul.
It took a lot from me to do, but I chose to watch this to help with my body horror
There is no soul 👁️👄👁️
@@T.D.F.Mspeak for yourself
@@FixedFace Christianity is false and gey 🦍🦍🦍
congrats om 50k!!!!!
50% ;~)
Poopie had me in the first half ngl.
Fun fact: JFK (the bullet one) sister got one because, she was *checks notes* moderately rude to people
didn't work on me. I'm still like this
Oh wow what are you doing here?
I love the poopie show, so much.
I love the animations.
I love the voice.
I love the humor.
So that's the famous "Lobotomy Kaisen" young people talk about these days
This procedure worked so well, a corporation was named after it!
That RANDOM idubbz burn made my day. Thank you, weird euro sounding sweet voiced drawing lady. Good shit, youve earned a sub today
New viewer to this and already I’m hooked on whatever the hell this channel is and I love the persona lmao
5:28 DOCTOR FREEMAN!??!?!
Your videos and voice are the most calming and enjoyable parts of my day. Like the topic is crazy but idk I like it.
Someday they're going to look back on atypical antipsychotics the same way we view lobotomies today. If you don't believe me, try them.
Trained Surgeons from Medieval times: I literally drained people’s blood when they had the flu, I’m the worst person in medical history
Some random dudes from the 30’s: Hold my brain pokey stick
the lobotomy is probably the single worst thing humanity ever done, and we do a lot of shit on a daily basis
This person's voice itches my brain.
Lobotomy huh?...
Project Moon sleeper agents. Activated!
So disapointed so little agents appeared
I'D RATHER HAVE A BOTTLE IN FRONT OF ME THAN A FRONTAL LOBOTOMY 😂
The jfk case was really messed up, kennedys really gotta take care of their heads
I find brain issues are very common among Catholics I assume it’s due to being hit in the head a lot as a child based on the cases I’ve seen but they take decades to play out
I'm really thankful for this channel
I think about Rosemary Kennedy every now and then and I always feel so bad for her
At 5:10, I was interested to look into the difference the procedure was viewed and how success was measured between men and women and what I found was fu**ed up. In terms of who got lobotomies, 60% were women with the information you added in which it was viewed as a fad, but secondarily, the amount of women who underwent it mostly were coerced by other women or men for the feature in which it provides "passivity" a.k.a. the ability to defend yourself of have to ability to communicate.
In terms of the success, if the procedure was done on a women and if the symptoms included brain hemorrhages, seizures, or worse, but they became passive, IT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS?!?! But on a man, NOOOOO THATS A FAILURE.
I would like to add that lobotomies as with the research I've done, became only heavily restricted after Freeman killed his last patient and lost his license after almost 500 DEAD!!
I agree, I really recommend reading 'Women with Serious Mental Illness: Gender-Sensitive and Recovery-Oriented Care' if u haven't already. and honestly ik it was 60% but the amount of 'successful' afters that were women was higher which says a lot.
You - and I seriously mean this in the nicest way possible - sound like a small british child in the 1400s
It's her cutevoice for clips. Watch where she battles her editor in the AI episode to hear a slightly older poopie.
love your moving mustache, your so brave for growing it out
What fucks me up the most about lobotomies is that I and a lot of people I know probably would've been suggested to get one or forced to get one against our will if we were alive and kicking back then 🤕
Love these videos! Please countinue to make more 🙏!