Little funfact about DiD: As 9:54 adresses this, DiD-Systems do not necessarily have an original personality. It is rather that they split during developement and the "original" is either lost or never formed in the first place as the development of an integrated healthy person only happens in later stages of childhood.
I love videos like these, cause I find that my favourite villains in jojos are the ones that everyone else seems to hate, as my favourite main villains are Toru and Diavolo.
Finally, some appreciation for Diavolo. Fantastic editing and explaining! Only one little complaint, tho: the music was sometimes a bit too loud, making it difficult to hear you. Oh, also, one more thing: the line "nothing he's got he really needs" was interpreted not very correctly. It rather meant that Diavolo doesn't really use all that power and money he's got as a mob boss - like, he doesn't enjoy successful, luxurious life, he doesn't triumph as an owner of the country - he just sits in a dark corner, fully covered in paranoia and fear. Really fascinating.
Thank you and sorry for the music being too loud, I’ll make sure that it doesn’t happen in my next video. As for the music line, I really like your interpretation of it but the reason why I suggested that it can be akin to Diavolo sacrificing his own humanity for power & money is because it relates to many key aspects of his character, one of them being how he chose to kill trish to remain hidden when he easily could’ve done what Bruno suggested to keep her safe
@@MAMZYY_YT I said "not very correctly" which isn't "completely wrong". Although, to be fair, I should've said "not complete" - that would be more accurate. Both your and my interpretations together create a complete thing.
Yeah I get you. All localisers for anime/manga should now be at a point where they can and should follow the source material properly, so them making that blunder with Diavolo in the dub is unacceptable tbh.
Thank you!! Omg, Diavolo is lowk more interesting to me than Kira or Dio, I couldn't really explain why but I knew I loved his character throughout Golden Wind and how he opposes with Giorno is mwahhhhh. The son of god defeats the devil is so mwah mwah mwahhhhhh. Overall, Golden Wind and SBR best jojo parts lol.
Agreed! While I love kira and dio, Diavolo’s always just stood out to me as a more interesting & menacing villain with a lot of depth & nuance. And yes! SBR and golden wind are defo top 2 for sure 👌🏿😁
I do think is less of a matter of being underrated and more of the fact that Jojo have soo many amazing villains that is inevitable to choose who is less and who is more. Diavolo main issue would be lack of screen time because other then that i think is a very good and interesting villain, is just the competency is very rough.
Yeah that’s fair. While I’d still argue that he’s very underrated, I definitely do agree that more screentime of him in his true identity would’ve been more of a benefit for his character.
I mean demons do exist in Jojo, also Doppio/Diavolo have two different souls, so it’s not just a mental condition, he could just be a demon who forced his own birth with Doppio. Also just because he would be this evil soul, it doesn’t mean can’t be Trish’s true dad, in fact it’d make sense how their blood is powerful like the Joestar’s, Doppio would’ve prob never been with Donatella at all. I think he’s a “”demon”” as in a messed up soul born with Doppio in weird circumstances, he doesn’t need to be the incarnation of evil.
I didn’t say demons don’t exist in Jojo’s, what I was saying is that Diavolo himself isn’t a demon, as he’s only a metaphorical figure of the devil (or a demon) within the story. Also, Diavolo only has two different souls because his DID worsened the older he got (he’s 33 now) according to polnareff, which means that it’s still a mental condition, albeit a very over-exaggerated one considering that it is jojos afterall.
@@MAMZYY_YT Him being a demon is not confirmed, neither is his soul being originally one. Id say it’s much weirder for a soul to become two, and two so distinct at that, that the daughter of one of them (from before this supposed worsening), can only feel one. Demons are just bad spirits in Jojo, and it stands to reason that the abnormality of his birth was due to this other soul, being born as well. It isn’t possession, but if Diavolo was there from the beginning, which seems more likely than not, then either for some random reason two souls were born or there was an interference, it seems plausible that a soul like one in dead man’s questions would try and be born again, losing all their memories, but not some of their weird traits (crazy paranoia). Since we have almost no info on anything it’s all just as plausible as everything else, and it doesn’t take anything away from the character.
If you look back at the scene with polnareff, there’s a visual presentation of how one goes from having 1 soul to then 2 split souls because of DID (in-universe) that goes along with his explanation, so technically it has been confirmed that the soul wasn’t originally split from birth, cause otherwise his explanation makes no sense and is just wasted screentime. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against the idea of them both being born simultaneously cause the anime’s director decided that for the anime and made it look plausible (albeit in a different way). I just think that based on everything that was confirmed within the story that they weren’t born as 2 separate souls, but instead just 2 split personalities that later became 2 separate souls because of how much worse Diavolo/Doppio’s DID got with time.
The thing is, spiritual soul themes in JoJo are pretty loose and serve as symbolic visualisation of some complex psychological aspects of human nature. After all, it's a show about fate, humanity spirit, and being truthful to yourself and others. So, no, it actually is split personality - just over exaggerated as JoJo often does with many things.
@@kaschey6145 I completely disagree, that’s reaching a lot, and into something that doesn’t make any sense. Araki literally stated he believes in ghosts and spirits irl the way he writes them in Jojo, and there have been many instances where this explanation of yours regarding psychological themes just doesn’t apply at all, specially in Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan, where most of this stuff is presented.
Yh more screentime of Diavolo in his true identity was definitely needed, but other than that I’d still argue that he’s an underrated character/villain due to many of his qualities, which far outweigh his flaws imo
@@MAMZYY_YT oh most definitely I think he’s good I don’t think he’s bad at all when he on screen he does get the job done part of me wish he was jolyne’s villain though
@@MAMZYY_YT I’ve always had the belief that Giorgio & Jolyne could switch parts and would be just as good especially the iterations to the villains I think Jolyne relationship with her father is a good foil to diovolo while I like to see Giorno interact with Pucci with him giorno wanting to know more about dio and pucci kind of doing that seeing as he was the one who knew dio the best
You think so? I’ve seen many people that hail him as the best villain the series. (I’m one of them, lol) But people putting Kira and dio above him is kind of understandable, they’ve both been animated and are arguably more iconic as well so the bias is unavoidable
@@MAMZYY_YT all king crimson does is reposition himself. It's effectively time stop except the user can't interact with anyone during the time stop. There are 2 exceptions but that's a fate thing and Diavolo didn't actually harm them in his ability
@@Mavuika_Gyaru It's not a timestop because time is still flowing during the timeskip. It's not just as simple as king crimson/diavolo repositioning himself
Diavolo had to lose to super plot armor and Giorno being a Gary Stue. DIO lost cus he underestimated Jotaro. Kira lost from being overconfident in Bites the Dust. But Diavolo? Plot had to beat him
Ah yes, Giorno is a Gary Stu for beating Diavolo using the object that they were fighting for the entire part that was stated to grant unparalleled power😂😂😂
@@divineshinobi1791 he's a Gary Stue throughout the entirety of part 5. Heck, the stand arrow not granting Diavolo power but giving it to Giorno IS an example of a Gary Stue. The world changing it's rules to work in favor of the MC Is quite literally in the definition of Gary Stue
@Mavuika_Gyaru The reason the arrow didn't grant Diavolo power was bc Bucciarati had thoroughly destroyed SCR, forcing everyone to return to their bodies, making Diavolo/KC ethereal. It has nothing to do with the arrow necessarily rejecting him. Rereead/rewatch the scene.
finally someone said it
Yeap! 😁
Funny thing is that not a single age of kars was shown
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He’s one of my favourite characters just wish he got more love fr
Same, he definitely deserves it fr
The stand arrow: Sorry, your stand can't get any better. *sees Golden Experience* I got a crazy idea...
lol
Diavolo didn’t need an upgrade to fight the main characters unlike the rest
@@sojournertaylor6897 Exactly! His king crimson was just that clean👌🏿🔥
Little funfact about DiD:
As 9:54 adresses this, DiD-Systems do not necessarily have an original personality. It is rather that they split during developement and the "original" is either lost or never formed in the first place as the development of an integrated healthy person only happens in later stages of childhood.
ahh ok, to be honest that makes a whole lot of sense
If its any consolation, King Crimson is definitely my favorite stand.
He’s one of mine too! King Crimson is Goated 🔥
Same
im also a daddy diavolo stan, i understand that all the other villains are great too. but this pink haired guy with the cool stand is my fav.
23:07 we did... Anasui.
ahh yes... good point haha
I agree with everything except that Diavolo should have looked like a mob boss like he does when shadowed. It just looks so cool
I love videos like these, cause I find that my favourite villains in jojos are the ones that everyone else seems to hate, as my favourite main villains are Toru and Diavolo.
Yeah I know that feeling, I don’t love toru but he’s definitely overhated imo
Imo Toru is a worse Kira
@@MAMZYY_YT I feel like I hate Tooru just because he was getting in the way of the Josuke and Yasuho ship lol
Yeah same lol, that was annoying asf to read
Finally, some appreciation for Diavolo. Fantastic editing and explaining!
Only one little complaint, tho: the music was sometimes a bit too loud, making it difficult to hear you.
Oh, also, one more thing: the line "nothing he's got he really needs" was interpreted not very correctly.
It rather meant that Diavolo doesn't really use all that power and money he's got as a mob boss - like, he doesn't enjoy successful, luxurious life, he doesn't triumph as an owner of the country - he just sits in a dark corner, fully covered in paranoia and fear. Really fascinating.
Thank you and sorry for the music being too loud, I’ll make sure that it doesn’t happen in my next video.
As for the music line, I really like your interpretation of it but the reason why I suggested that it can be akin to Diavolo sacrificing his own humanity for power & money is because it relates to many key aspects of his character, one of them being how he chose to kill trish to remain hidden when he easily could’ve done what Bruno suggested to keep her safe
@@MAMZYY_YT I mean, nobody said that both interpretations can't be correct - it all fits him.
But you literally said in your original comment that the interpretation I gave in the video was incorrect, did you not?
@@MAMZYY_YT I said "not very correctly" which isn't "completely wrong". Although, to be fair, I should've said "not complete" - that would be more accurate.
Both your and my interpretations together create a complete thing.
@@kaschey6145 Ok I understand ya! 👍🏿
Thank you so much for this
@@ivannatinkle4787 No problem! Thank you for watching 🙏🏿😁
Good lord, I didn't even notice that dub line, might've misheard it as a "my [King] Crimson" cuz I still kinda trusted localizers at the time.
Yeah I get you. All localisers for anime/manga should now be at a point where they can and should follow the source material properly, so them making that blunder with Diavolo in the dub is unacceptable tbh.
Thank you!! Omg, Diavolo is lowk more interesting to me than Kira or Dio, I couldn't really explain why but I knew I loved his character throughout Golden Wind and how he opposes with Giorno is mwahhhhh. The son of god defeats the devil is so mwah mwah mwahhhhhh.
Overall, Golden Wind and SBR best jojo parts lol.
Agreed! While I love kira and dio, Diavolo’s always just stood out to me as a more interesting & menacing villain with a lot of depth & nuance. And yes! SBR and golden wind are defo top 2 for sure 👌🏿😁
I do think is less of a matter of being underrated and more of the fact that Jojo have soo many amazing villains that is inevitable to choose who is less and who is more.
Diavolo main issue would be lack of screen time because other then that i think is a very good and interesting villain, is just the competency is very rough.
Yeah that’s fair. While I’d still argue that he’s very underrated, I definitely do agree that more screentime of him in his true identity would’ve been more of a benefit for his character.
I couldnt love Diavolo more
Same!
I mean demons do exist in Jojo, also Doppio/Diavolo have two different souls, so it’s not just a mental condition, he could just be a demon who forced his own birth with Doppio. Also just because he would be this evil soul, it doesn’t mean can’t be Trish’s true dad, in fact it’d make sense how their blood is powerful like the Joestar’s, Doppio would’ve prob never been with Donatella at all.
I think he’s a “”demon”” as in a messed up soul born with Doppio in weird circumstances, he doesn’t need to be the incarnation of evil.
I didn’t say demons don’t exist in Jojo’s, what I was saying is that Diavolo himself isn’t a demon, as he’s only a metaphorical figure of the devil (or a demon) within the story.
Also, Diavolo only has two different souls because his DID worsened the older he got (he’s 33 now) according to polnareff, which means that it’s still a mental condition, albeit a very over-exaggerated one considering that it is jojos afterall.
@@MAMZYY_YT Him being a demon is not confirmed, neither is his soul being originally one. Id say it’s much weirder for a soul to become two, and two so distinct at that, that the daughter of one of them (from before this supposed worsening), can only feel one.
Demons are just bad spirits in Jojo, and it stands to reason that the abnormality of his birth was due to this other soul, being born as well. It isn’t possession, but if Diavolo was there from the beginning, which seems more likely than not, then either for some random reason two souls were born or there was an interference, it seems plausible that a soul like one in dead man’s questions would try and be born again, losing all their memories, but not some of their weird traits (crazy paranoia). Since we have almost no info on anything it’s all just as plausible as everything else, and it doesn’t take anything away from the character.
If you look back at the scene with polnareff, there’s a visual presentation of how one goes from having 1 soul to then 2 split souls because of DID (in-universe) that goes along with his explanation, so technically it has been confirmed that the soul wasn’t originally split from birth, cause otherwise his explanation makes no sense and is just wasted screentime.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against the idea of them both being born simultaneously cause the anime’s director decided that for the anime and made it look plausible (albeit in a different way). I just think that based on everything that was confirmed within the story that they weren’t born as 2 separate souls, but instead just 2 split personalities that later became 2 separate souls because of how much worse Diavolo/Doppio’s DID got with time.
The thing is, spiritual soul themes in JoJo are pretty loose and serve as symbolic visualisation of some complex psychological aspects of human nature.
After all, it's a show about fate, humanity spirit, and being truthful to yourself and others.
So, no, it actually is split personality - just over exaggerated as JoJo often does with many things.
@@kaschey6145 I completely disagree, that’s reaching a lot, and into something that doesn’t make any sense. Araki literally stated he believes in ghosts and spirits irl the way he writes them in Jojo, and there have been many instances where this explanation of yours regarding psychological themes just doesn’t apply at all, specially in Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan, where most of this stuff is presented.
The problem with diovolo it’s not that he is bad but comes in late and he’s only in the shadow until the last arc also the soul swap doesn’t help
Yh more screentime of Diavolo in his true identity was definitely needed, but other than that I’d still argue that he’s an underrated character/villain due to many of his qualities, which far outweigh his flaws imo
@@MAMZYY_YT oh most definitely I think he’s good I don’t think he’s bad at all when he on screen he does get the job done part of me wish he was jolyne’s villain though
@@WeebGuru6 Jolyne's villain? That's interesting, any reasons why?
@@MAMZYY_YT I’ve always had the belief that Giorgio & Jolyne could switch parts and would be just as good especially the iterations to the villains I think Jolyne relationship with her father is a good foil to diovolo while I like to see Giorno interact with Pucci with him giorno wanting to know more about dio and pucci kind of doing that seeing as he was the one who knew dio the best
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Thank you brother! Appreciate it 🙏🏿
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Very underrated but Valetine is underappreciated. Easily the best villain yet people put DIO or Kira above him like tf.
You think so? I’ve seen many people that hail him as the best villain the series. (I’m one of them, lol) But people putting Kira and dio above him is kind of understandable, they’ve both been animated and are arguably more iconic as well so the bias is unavoidable
@@MAMZYY_YT either way Diavolo is underrated. Bro is more evil than DIO or Kira and cooler than both, Kira is honestly less complex
@@noonespecialtbh agreed
he was already my favorite jjba character (besides joseph)
Nice 👌🏿
I think they love him but they don't understand him and his ability unlike dio and kira
It's just time stop
@@MAMZYY_YT all king crimson does is reposition himself. It's effectively time stop except the user can't interact with anyone during the time stop. There are 2 exceptions but that's a fate thing and Diavolo didn't actually harm them in his ability
@@Mavuika_Gyaru It's not a timestop because time is still flowing during the timeskip. It's not just as simple as king crimson/diavolo repositioning himself
W video Bro
@@ZGUR57 Thank you bro!
What happened to doppio in the death loop? 😢
Doppio died in Bucciarati's body
Yh Doppio was lucky enough to not join Diavolo in his fate of infinite deaths
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any problEMS WITH THE LIPSTICK
@@potatogirl9436 honestly I don’t mind it lol
Diavolo had to lose to super plot armor and Giorno being a Gary Stue. DIO lost cus he underestimated Jotaro. Kira lost from being overconfident in Bites the Dust. But Diavolo? Plot had to beat him
Ah yes, Giorno is a Gary Stu for beating Diavolo using the object that they were fighting for the entire part that was stated to grant unparalleled power😂😂😂
@@divineshinobi1791 he's a Gary Stue throughout the entirety of part 5. Heck, the stand arrow not granting Diavolo power but giving it to Giorno IS an example of a Gary Stue. The world changing it's rules to work in favor of the MC Is quite literally in the definition of Gary Stue
@Mavuika_Gyaru The reason the arrow didn't grant Diavolo power was bc Bucciarati had thoroughly destroyed SCR, forcing everyone to return to their bodies, making Diavolo/KC ethereal. It has nothing to do with the arrow necessarily rejecting him. Rereead/rewatch the scene.