Is The Rolls-Royce Camargue a Bargain? Hagerty Bull Market List, Pt 1 | Carfection 4K
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- Read the full Hagerty article on the 2022 Bull Market List here bit.ly/3lYdmxF
The Hagerty UK Bull Market List is a collection of 10 cars that Hagerty thinks are going places over the next year. The Rolls-Royce Camargue might not have always been the world's favourite Roller, but it could be about to have its day. This could be a car worth the investment in 2022.
Read about the US version of the list here: www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/te...
1977 Rolls-Royce Camargue
Engine: V8, 6750cc
Transmission: 3-speed automatic, RWD
Weight: 2329kg
The Hagerty Valuation Team says
Hagerty Price Guide range, Fair to Concours: £25,000 to £70,000
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And now for something completely different (as they used to say in Monty Python). It was great fun driving some cars that might not ordinarily have featured on the channel - none more so than this Rolls-Royce. The carpet alone was an experience. Hope you all enjoy the series.
Need a special series of these old cars vs their modern equivalents (Quattroruote is doing it)
We will :). I already know my favourite... that 458 😍👍
Excited to see this series!!
If you did a review of a toaster I’d watch it
I saw one of these recently, glad it's being driven on the road.
I will never forget my first drive in a blue 1983 Camargue while I was a valet driver for club A in New York. The French owner angrily tipped me $20 and demanded I open the door for the two very tall young ladies (one blonde the other black) who accompanied him. Then the week later a colleague while flooring it back to the garage hit a pothole and broke the axel costing the owner $10K.
I was 10 when the Camargue came out.
My dad told me it cost more than our house (we lived in Edgware) .
I was dumb struck as to how anybody had the money to buy one, apart from the lady in Thunderbirds,who also had it customized and painted pink 😀
Hers had the slanted grill too.
When I was 10 I told my dad he should sell the house and buy a car like that, we could always rent like my friends parents.
'Investing' is doing nothing but ruining the classic car world.
These cars should be owned by enthusiasts, not couped up as nothing but assets.
The video explicitly states they're targeting people who should buy the cars before they become too expensive. If you want to read between the lines and view this as an investment guide that's your choice, but car values almost never beat the market over time.
@@T8T- where have you been for the last 10 years?
@@T8T- You are naïve if you think Hagerty wants to appeal to the enthusiasts… They just want to squeeze the most money of enthusiasts pockets even more quickly to drive the prices up even higher… Sad but true…
Oh shut up. If they bought it they can do what they want.
I have owed a 1982 Camargue for the 8 years and always enjoy driving this car, it'a elegant, not like any other, and supreme in ride comfort. Say what you will this is a wonderful car, misunderstood., interestingly people usually love it because of it's stature, presence it has. Amen
That alone should make cars like these an investment. But what is really pushing up the prices is dealers wanting to profit from it all.
I remember as a young child, steaming up the window of my local Rolls Royce dealer in Eastbourne. Seeing a Carmargue and thinking that it was more expensive than most houses and when I asked my Dad what Carmargue was, he told me it was a swamp in Southern France it made more sense. What's odd though, is that it's become quaintly adorable. I still think it's hideous but in a weird way I rather like that.
Hi Andrew,
I think cars are getting uglier (I don't like the front of the Wraith at all), so I don't think the Camargue looks too bad in retrospect.
Back when they were new, demand outstripped supply and people paid silly money for them - I can remember someone asking £75,000 for a Camargue in the motoring pages of the Times in 1978.
The Camargue was always a very exclusive car even for Rolls-Royce.
It was a pleasure being a part of this series of films!
One of the Fab Four of the seventies. Going from cheap to expensive, you have the Fiat 130 Coupe, Maserati Kyalami, Ferrari 400 GT and Rolls Royce Camargue. Sharing similar design lines from PininFarinas 70's square and rectangular lines. Have been the happy owner of the Fiat 130 Coupe for many years and daily traffic. And it drew loads of attention. In Italian villages and on European motorways. I think I would skip the Kyalami, but the Ferrari and RR are still topping my bucket list. Incredible rare and special cars - not to everyone's taste I realize - but would love to have the privilege of owning these two.
Thank you for completing the list of cars penned from the same inspiration; the comparison is usually only with the Fiat 130 Coupe as a means of belittling. They all carry greater elegance than their peers, and the Ferrari similarity is particularly unmistakable.
really looking forward to watching this series - love this kind of episodic programming you guys have started doing!
Marvelous marvelous marvelous!!! This car came out when I was 8 years old and I fell in love with it immediately. The first one I saw was in about 1980 and it was in New York City and it was bright red and it was fantastic! Great video These are pretty rare on this car to show and detail as you have done... thank you for doing so and Merry Christmas
What a machine! 😁
I know the Camargue gets a bad wrap for its looks, and its pricing back in 1976 was something else considering that all the customer was really getting was essentially a Silver Shadow with a Pininfarina body, but honestly it's a car I truly admire for how brave Rolls-Royce were attempting to be. While it's not as good looking as the Corniche, Shadow or Phantom VI it was sold alongside, it was still a purposeful and regal luxury car, and I for one have always adored it! Truly the guiltiest of guilty pleasures! 😁
When it came out, Autocar's description made a fuss about the air conditioning system
@@pashakdescilly7517 This was because it was the first dual level system ever offered.
Love the channel Ruairidh, this car would fit in nicely with your videos on unique vehicles!
@@LewisLevy Hi Lewis, that's very sweet of you to say, and indeed the Camargue has been a car I've always wanted to talk about, but unfortunately I haven't the permission of Rolls-Royce to discuss the car's history. Rolls-Royce are incredibly protective of their marque, and conscious of this I had emailed them asking if I could make a feature on the history of the Camargue, but sadly they turned me down. Perhaps something for another day though. 🙂
@@rorymacve Oh wow, I didn't know they were so strict, thanks for explaining that. Keep up the good work anyway!
These have been appreciating for years - I personally like the styling, would prefer a LAGONDA though
The Lagonda is so much prettier. This is a garbage truck by comparison.
Corniche is where it's at imo.
@@Petrospect The Lagonda is worthless rubbish that is only any good as an engine donor for a DBS 4.0 to V8 swap (or to replace a 3.2 in a DB7).
Same.
Please don't make this car impossibly expensive, car investments have ruined the car market.
Great series, very enjoyable and Henry is a great automotive journalist. Being a proud Australian, I have a small correction to be made to one of the statements in this video, please don't be triggered. An engine that was in production (unchanged)a lot longer than the Chevrolet small block V8, was the Holden 308ci V8 in Australia, it was the same block from 1969 until it was replaced with the Gen 3 ( alloy block and heads) Chevrolet in 2000 the only changes in that time were to the crank, pistons and fuel management, but the block remained unchanged in that time.
The Rolls-Royce V8, in 6.25L and expanded to 6.75L form, was in production ten years prior to 1969 and still in use in 2000.
My parents had an R reg 450SLC bought new...I was aware that the Camargue cost four or five times the Merc at the time, and it was an enigma as you rarely saw 'fancy' cars in the North or England back then. And then Shirley Bassey had one and it featured during the opening credits of her Saturday night TV show. I wasn't interested in the show, so was happy to go to bed after the opening credits and the Camargue. Thanks for this - I want one.
Another good one Henry, looking forward to the other films
Fantastic! Really enjoyed it. looking foreward to the next videos :)
What an amazing idea for a video!!!! THANK YOU for making this
It looks like a 78 Chevrolet Malibu with a Rolls Royce front end. I've always wanted a Malibu from that era with a 500+ CI BBC, 6 speed manual, a 9" Ford rear, and upgraded brakes and suspension.
Only that the Camargue came to market some years ahead of the Malibu. The Chevy designer actually admitted that this car inspired him!
@@Allmentux the Chevrolet designer was apparently inspired by the way Pininfarina made the top of the car look wider than the bottom... because the Malibu had a similar effect.
the lame leading the blind, or vice versa. @@Allmentux
I look forward to seeing more of the list 👍
The Camargue was also the first Rolls Royce with split level air conditioning.
🤯 Thanks for that cool fact! We know now who to thank for this innovation
It was even the first car in the world with split level air conditioning !!!
For a true Camargue investment look for the one off Bentley Camargue or one of the 12 final Camargue's with extra amenities, all 12 are white and come with a Camargue boot badge.
And contrary to the video, those final 12 destined for the US market as an anniversary of RR in America edition are titled as 1987. The details were subtle and unique, including silver inlays in the door sills, a hidden bar set between the rear passengers, grooming set in the arm rest, phone and briefcase - and all had red hides with white piping.
Always loved these. Brilliant motorcar.
The armrest in the seat is brilliant !!
Unique Coupe !
That rear side reminds also a bit of the Lagonda, and Volvo design !
And the green interior leather, reminds me of a green BMW 635CSi (E24) , same era !
I love big 70’s coupes like this, the Citroen SM etc. Very cool!
Yes! Love the carmague there’s not enough content on these magestic beasts
Love the design & had one in a pack of Top Trumps. When it came to the weight category it was unbeatable!
Thanks for this one, to me the Camargue remains the most ARROGANT car ever, in a nice way. It doesn't need spoiler or wings or being an SUV, it's just the sheer attitude, the massive grill, the whole RR experience and the aircraft styling insde. I can't say beautiful, but arrogant.. and I love it.
Henry's magnificent 'sidies' also embellish that 70s look.
Fascinating and a delight.
I have never ridden in a Rolls or Bentley, but I own a Rover P5 (6). Many moons ago I had to take an official car for a New Pye Radio ( that'l date me). I discovered that all cars are made to a formula and there was a Corniche having one fitted. I asked one of the fitters, why it was that Rolls, were so expensive. Answer came back depends on how many layers of paint you wanted and the attention to detail. I've had my P5 for some 45 years now and am in the process of doing it up. These cars came out of the factory, unmodified for the East Africa Safari rally as was, got positions. Says it all really.
When I was a boy, bingeing on AutoCar and Motor magazines, they used to list the RRP of every car in the UK market at the back. The Camargue was always the most expensive and I remember that when I checked it every week, the price at the time was £83,122. Sad, eh?
The Corniche was so elegant and this just looked like - well a bit of a mess! But now I look at it again I’m not sure I didn’t condemn based on old memories - thanks for reminding me it existed - maybe it’s my age but I suddenly feel a nostalgic bit of desire
The Carmargue always had the look of Lady Penelope's Rolls Royce in Thuderbirds.
I just see. One of these at a car show recently.
A German Blaupunkt Bremen radio in this British car? Amazing! ;)
I hated the styling of this car when new. But looking at it now…it ain’t half bad! I wouldn’t say no to one 🤔
I'm more consistent. I didn't like it then and don't like it now, especially in 70s gold metallic.
@@epbrown01 Only fools never change their mind !!!
@@Elven_de_Bieuzy_An_Ozhac-h You're right. Two plus two IS five, now that I've thought about it. 🙂
Anyone who has visited Camargue will think of wild horses, flamingos, and the sea. It is glamourous, but in a different way from the Côte d'Azur.
What a stunning thing these are - both this and the slim bumper Corniche FHC have been undervalued for far too long.
Would take a Silvershadow II personally
Two doors too many I'm afraid.
0:46 - The slow zoom with changing cars looks flawless.
No.. there's something weird on the left edge, car right rear tire. And sometimes there's cruft behind the cars. One has a very visible cone.
Ah, it's "trying to fix the red door frame".
But my point is about the smoothness of the zoom and the solidity of the cars.
Like the Tucker the Camargue looks better going rather than posing.
The car from an era when Rolls Royce tried to wear flares. But when tweed and pinstripes suited them much better...
There's an Internet image of an owner with one in a London ews wearing the widest flairs you've ever seen. His lady in the car looks stuffed!
I recall that model was Lady Penelope's car with her chauffeur Parker at the wheel! :-)
Nice to see Ritch from Smith n sniff getting a mention
I think this Carmargue is beautiful. A big luxurious two-door Rolls: what's not to like?
I think it was an ill conceived idea to try bring some Italian flair to the marque. It looks like a Ferrari 400 sandwich with a 1" thick slice of cheese to fill the belt line to give it the required height. I like the interior though.
I’d say they’ve definitely already gone up in value, the last few at auction have made quite big money, seldom any cheaper ones about now
Is it really true that the little BMW Mini Cooper first/second gen, will be considered a modern classic? I ll be terribly pleased if this is true because I have one here in India and I consider it a modern classic. If you do too, then that’s all the approbation I want…
My boss bought one when it was released, and I thought it was hideous. Looking at it now though... it really doesn't seem quite so bad.
I recall that the air-conditioning settings were a big deal when it came out. You could set it to "brisk autumn morning" or such like. Is that correct?
The controls certainly look bespoke compared to the Shadow and Spirit/Spur.
Could they make the track width any narrower to make the wheels disappear entirely? Track width in metric, body in inches, or the other way around, perhaps.
Terence Lennon from Lennon super markets had one around 78/80 Cream coloured like a German Taxi, I used to detour on the way home from Junior school past his house to catch a glimpse of it TTL1 was the plate. He used to drive it with a camel Cape and matching floppy hat !! It was the Seventies !! He also had a Porsche 3.3 turbo and a Ferrari 400 I think. What a stable of cars.
His wife had bmw 323i PEG 1 apparently she was called Peggy.
I liked this car even when people said it was ghastly and still do. But a Fiat 130 Coupe will give you more style, sophistication for less money. Styled by the same man Paolo Martin, the 130 had more cohesive design.
I repaired one in the 80's right nightmare to take apart .
Exactly and it's not a bargain because when there's maintenance involve the parts or so expensive if you can find them
No surprise to see the 986 and T25 on here. The values of these started going up a couple of years ago. Decent examples of these below 5k may very soon be a thing of the past, if not already..
Even the beauty of the scenery around the circuit ( Trac Mon?) doesn’t make the car seem out of place on a track. Perhaps a waft along the A5 in the nearby Ogden Valley, the run from Capel Curig to Pen y Gwrd might have made it seem more at home?
Places to visit in Camargue: Aigues Mortes, Sainte Marie la Mer, Parc ornithologique du pont de Gau, Arles
I think they have missed the mark with many of these to be honest. The Rolls is a lovely thing though to be honest and I can see that one appreciating. I'm shocked to not see the E36 or E46 M3 in there anywhere for starters.
They're not on the list because we missed the boat on picking them up at a reasonable price a LONG time ago.
@@RustyPetterson I think either of those are still relatively affordable and will continue to rise.
I love it! Did they make them as left hand drive?
1975-1986 : 531 Carmague made. 380 left hand drive, 150 right hand drive, and a unique "Bentley" Camargue made at the request of a good customer of the brand.
I have read the total production was around 530-580 depending on who you believe.
531 exactly ! 380 left hand drive, 150 right hand drive, and a unique "Bentley" Camargue made at the request of a good customer of the brand.
The Camargue is a haven for wild birds.
Yes, flamingoes, wild horses, and endless space. It is glamourous, but not in the same way as "La Corniche".
Interesting that the weight of it isn't what is considered to be huge these days. The MPG would be huge though one would think. Cheers for the vid.
I got 8 MPG in town, so I hoped for 12 on the road - still 8 MPG...
Over-styled, bulbous cars are in fashion. When smooth surfaces and straight edges come back, popular opinion will favour cars like the Camargue and the Ferrari 365GT4 2+2, among others. As a lad, I thought they were the most elegant things it was possible to make, at all. As an old git, I reckon I was right. Too bad I can't afford one while they are still relatively affordable.
Please state the car's dimensions in centimeters rather than millimeters. Nobody on the continent uses millimeters to measure car length / width / height. Other than that, excellent video, interesting car.
Very special.
Pretty nice
Well, she's not the prettiest... Funny to hear Harry talk about the TH400 transmission, which is totally legendary. They can hold big power, and are one of the most commonly used transmissions for drag racing to this day.
Small mistake. 5.08
He says the engine was used by Bentley Mulliner 2020 think he meant Mulsanne.
On a different note the front of this car reminds me of Lady Penelopes / Parker's Rolls Royce from Thunderbirds.
Hmmm , the first Rolls-Royce with a sloping grille was Lady Penelope's FAB1 , which although fictional , one full size car was constructed for promotional purposes and still exists .
The Mercedes-Benz M180 was introduced in 1951 , and was fitted into Unimogs up to the 1980s , and new ones are still available from the factory ...
Oh, I see a TR6 in the beginning of the video. Would love to see what Henry has to say about it. I am thinking about buying in the mid-future.
I had a TR6 as my first car. I sure enjoyed that car. Wish I had kept it.
Magnificent
I'm reminded a bit of Lagonda.
I've had several 4 door Rolls Royce cars but I've always wanted a coup I'd take a camargue over a cornice any day .put Harvey Bailey suspension under that car springs n sway bars and you'd have a smart Rolls I had the kits in all. Rolls royces, if you wanted a Rolls to drive really well its the thing to have. But nowadays where can you find a kit for one.
Styled on the FIAT 130 Coupe . Not a bad design for the 1970 s
The God save the Queen part was touching in a way I didn't anticipated.
I think that rear end is actually quite modern
Damn,,wish you had done this 2 years ago when my car, The Supercharged Toyota MR2, was on the list! Would've loved to hear what you would have said about it. Oh well. LOL
I feel like this is the kind of car that you drive on the road, and just relax without a care in the world.
That's literally with any Rolls Royce 😁
The back looks like a 70's Chevrolet Caprice.
I‘ve seen the wiring harness of this somewhere this time around… run, run you fools
I think the 997 generation might become more expensive in the future than the 996, maybe because the 996's design won't appeal to many people or maybe the 997 was the last rear engined looking 911, the 991 and 992 have started to look more like a 2 door coupe and the taillights are only going to get higher from the ground as generations go on. Even the C7 Corvette still might be a good buy even though it is a bit late. In the long run, the STO is going to be very expensive because it is probably the last non hybridized track focused car Lamborghini will ever make. The F80 M3 maybe, because bmw is too adamant for their new big grille design and does not seem to be having a change anytime soon, but more importantly anyone who is capable to buy should buy the c63, it's the last v8 c class and might become hot in the market as soon as the new amg c series is launched.
997 is already more expensive for all the obvious reasons you listed. That's why 996 have been dirt cheap for so long (along with the looks). It's the last 911 with hydraulic power steering and the 997.2 motors fixed the IMS troubles
Metric Rolls Royce? Sacrilege! A Rolls should be Imperial, in both measurement and character!
What next? The Queen wearing trousers...
No Rolls Royce in the history of the world has ever been a bargain.
The problem is when something goes wrong and you have to do maintenance then it becomes absolutely expensive
Hey fella that designed the Vauxhall Victor, what do you think a Rolls Royce should look like?
If a Silver Shadow & a 1974 AMC Matador had a baby.
Troubles the tape measure 😂🤣
Kinda reminds of the classic car boom of the early 90's. Prices were pushed up by greedy car dealers. Where cars like MGB's and Jaguar MK2's were making a fortune back then they now make nowhere near as much money.
These were really nice cars, but, I do wish the stylists had done a better job with the rear-end. Strangely reminiscent of an early 1970's Ford Maverick.
AFAIK, it wasn't exactly the name of the region, which give this car it's name, instead it was the name of those wild horses, living in THAT region.
Haven't seen one for decades.
Not sure if the seating in this car is weird or the presentor has really bad posture
I've never liked the tucked-under rear of the Carmargue.
I’m waiting since years for that increase! - When do you think though, the prices of the Bentley Continental R will go up? I think, this is the even more important successor of the Camargue and the last truly coach built Roll-Royce-BENTLEY
I have an early Conti R and now suddenly people are taking an interest in it. You will never make money because you are always putting into it as an old car But you will get back pleasure of ownership and better health from it. You have to like the car you're buying and for me it was a more modern option of the Camargue. I still admire any owner of them though.
I bought my 1978 Camargue 22 years ago, and felt the same way; refreshing to see that I may just have been ahead of the curve. I agree that the Continental R, with or without wide body et al, has the same sort of appeal with the power I would love to have in the Camargue. While I agree with the author that its handling is not "sporty," it's remarkably competent in making a 5200 pound car feel well-controlled at 90 MPH and could handle far more power gracefully.
Designed by Paolo Martin at Pininfarina.
The Camargue is also a region for wild horses and is the delta region of the Rhone river......yes its low lying and swampy but its also unique.
I was curiously interested - untiI saw that HIDEOUS rear end!!!
Hope you all enjoyed it 🙏
Tail end corner radiuses completely mismatched to the front - hideous. Was this from the same company founded by the famed Battista Farina, or maybe his distant relative Dennis from Chicago?