Back in the 80’s I worked with a former RR lab guy, he told me they had a call from a dealer who was servicing a Camarge. They had noticed a little blister in the paint under the door. My friend investigated and found that when the door was made a quantity of lead was cast into the bottom to give the door a healthy thunk when it was closed. The lead was fluxed with ammonium chloride and some residues had remained. The factory instruction was to strip the door, strip the paint, steam clean and repaint and so on. All costs to the factory.
If Audi, BMW or Merc got an issue like that from their "fanatic" customers, I am sure they will give exactly the same awesome customer service. Just kidding, just kidding!
I remember seeing one in Bond Street as a small boy, I was with my Nan who was only too aware of my car obsession, I wanted to take a picture of it with her camera and she told me that I needed to ask the owner first. We waited for a bit and the owner was a no show, so we came back later and waited for what seemed like forever to a nine year old, but he did show up and I remember a tanned gentleman with film star looks, my Nan duly asked and a picture was taken of me next to the car! I’ve loved them ever since and I’m truly bowled over by the Fiat 130 similarities (another firm favourite), as despite knowing the Pininfarina connection I never knew how close the interior was. Another fascinating insight to another incredible car! Iain has made this sector of UA-cam his own, there is no one better! Thank you for another addictive episode!
I might have seen the same or similar one on Bond St too. I was there in Sept 1983, staying in the nearby Westbury Hotel prior to travelling to the Middle East for a lucrative 2-year contract with a US health company. The Camargue looked enormous compared to the other kerbside motors, most of which were themselves quite exclusive. Then I spotted the driver and his attractive companion. He looked like Mike Rutherford of Genesis, she looked like a super model. Even my two year contract as lucrative as it was could not have bought a Camargue though I saw many of them in the Middle East along with as much exotic tin as you can imagine around the ritzier parts of Jeddah & Riyadh. My daily driver there was a Brazilian Built 1.6 litre VW Beetle, imported and sold by the Bin-Ladens. The family also held the distribution for Porsche, Audi and a bevy of other premium brands, probably RR & Bentley. Great video and once again, Iain giving a masterclass in the subtleties of car design. Thanks so much.
@@aDistantLight 50 years ago the world was a very different place, you might see half a dozen Rolls Royces in a year if you lived outside London, even less Ferraris, Astons and Lamborghini’s. Back then, it was polite to ask if you wanted to take a picture of something special like that if it was the subject op the photo, it taught you patience, consideration and respect, it was just the way things were done.
So touching and shows a lifetime ago that your Nan insisted that you ask the owner for permission to take a photo of the car. Such a different morale code, incredible. Thank you for a great post.
I could sit and listen to you talking with Pete for as long as you are willing to record. What a fantastic piece of industrial history and a rich insight into the car world that we all love so much. Many thanks.
Completely agree as well. This conversation absolutely makes this video, and makes it the best you've produced. Pete's a great speaker with good pace, and no repeating himself, talking in circles or fumbling for words. I didn't like the car at all until this conversation started :)
My Father bought one of these (post 1980 with revised wheels/suspension) almost a decade ago when they really were cast aside as a remnant of a dark time in RR's history. Me, being an 11 year old with no knowledge of its reputation, marvelled at its supremely elegant presence and interior. Its smoothness of operation really took me aback, and when other enthusiasts began telling me what a failure this was from RR and Pininfarina, they weren't able to actually pinpoint why it was as bad as they said it was. I suppose such a stylistic departure by RR was bound to be met with criticism, especially from those in the established motoring press.
In 1982 as a 10 yo boy, the Countach and RR Camargue where the two most expensive and ultimate cars of their genre, they were undoubtedly my favourites.... seeing them side by side in this workshop is just spectacular!!!
I used to live near to Crewe and got a factory visit around 1980 to watch them all being built. It was very old fashioned but meticulous and the craftmanship was amazing.
When I was doing a couple of months "industrial experience" at Crewe in 1969, a requirement for my engineering degree, a guy turned up a the parts department looking for a replacement sump pan for his 1920s Bentley barn find that was originally one of Wolf Barnato's Le Mans racers - a one-off. Post race it was converted to a gentleman's tourer. The story was that they shoehorned a big engine into a smaller chassis and the sump pan was very non standard. The Crewe parts department had a replacement sump pan in stock. As soon as the existing one was bought, the parts dept. ordered a new one.
It's the same with heavy equipment parts that wear off too slowly or are never supposed to be replaced . Once you order the last part in inventory, manufacturer give order to produce a new replacement to be held in stock
Wow, love the model best looking Rolls Royce and story of how it came about. The blue Fiat 130 coupe in the pictures is Domenico's my dads next to my Mondial 8. Thank you Ian for choosing those pictures it's made our day to see this, we are true fans of your channel and of all the cars you show.
During the restoration of my E21 I had the pleasure of cleaning, lubing and getting my door mechanisms to factory spec and that nice crisp actuation. It's always these small things that you interact with on a daily basis that elevate the experience of owning a classic car.
While working at an RR and Bentley shop outside of New York I had an opportunity to work on one in the early 80's. Black with a Cashmere color interior. A very understated car that showed an incredible level of fit and finish. It still stands out in my mind 40 years later.
Ian, I knew a German Vehicle engineer and repairer His job was at a major RR repair centre, and he would state firmly, that it was impossible to keep every part of a RR fully functional at once. His great passion was to work on Volkswagen Beetle's, which were forever reliable, largely due to the significantly lower complexity and lower parts count.
My brother in law worked at 'Kennings' in Sheffield during the 70s and 80s and I remember going one Saturday morning to see him. The Rolls Royce service manager allowed me to sit in a Camargue that belonged to 'Shirley Bassey' as it was over from Monaco for a service. This car is 'lagoon Blue' I think.??
Having now owned an early Silver Spirit and a late Turbo R - I really really love the Camargue- it’s a work of art and really must have made a statement at the time… it’s on my wish list to find a fixer upper!
As a Crewe born lad that was fascinating, the people I knew worked at Royce's, never Rolls, Royce being the engineer. I once saw a plaque outside a house in the South of France which said the house once belonged to Henry Royce, mechanic !! Our first house in 1972 ,a 3 bed semi cost about £4,800 which puts the price of this car into a context Great video
I have loved the Camargue from the first moment it came out and I accuired a poster of this car, hung it on my bedroom wall soaking in it's beauty. One day soon, I intend to own one for sure. Thanks for this very informative video
Hi Ian, from Sydney , Australia , one of my great uncles was a staunch Rolls Royce supporter & bought quite a few starting with one of the first 2 Silver Shadows in Australia it was a brilliant lively metallic red with ivory leather seats. This he really loved & kept it over 4 decades & sold it 2 years prior to his death. He bought in very late1976 a series a series 2 crash bumpered Corniche coupe kept it just 2 years & replaced it in October '78 with an unusual deep grey metallic with an almost mauve tinge in it Camargue with a pale turquoise interior at age 22 I got to drive it whilst he and my aunt took a 6 week boat cruise with friends . What a wonderful car, retaining the 4 door Shadow as a "spare" he used the Carmargue & racked up some serious miles going to a rural property most weekends. Ian you mention the dash when as a young man I first touched it I could feel that it was made of classy anodised metal , NOT plastic , almost like aeronautical instruments. He was a jeweler, he made some good money as a young man in investing and went into instrument repairs , industrial jewellery and small boutique jewellery chain . When he found RR were going to stop making Camargue's, he ordered another , in Midnight blue with ivory leather , keeping it for years until updating it with a Seraph in 1998 . In the middle he had owned a Silver Spirit for a while , but after about 5 years it was sold off & his second Camargue again became the daily car once more . I always loved the look of them also with their under front bar air dam. Thanks for this excellent video as I learned re the rear suspension & the widened track with the later Bentley alloy rims. I own several lovely classic cars , however if I was ever going to buy a Rolls Royce , it would ONLY be a Camargue. As a 22 year old in 1978 it was SO cool to drive it I'd just passed uni exams to be a Doctor . When we Uncle Len & myself went for a drive in it to see how everything worked I felt like a million dollars , and I was well aware, this was the most expensive car on earth in its day, I carefully bedded it in using it over their 6 weeks away . I had at the same time bought my own "flash" new car some shares I had invested in had shot up massively in value & worried that they would fall I pulled my cash out, using some of it to buy a 4 year old Long Wheelbase series 1 XJ6 in regency red with natural hides, ordered to be basically a 6 cylinder VanDen Plas with the 4 separate seats wood panels on the doors etc , I loved it & kept it 32 years . The LWB series 1 XJ's are rare , just 2.5% of series 1 production some 2600 body shells spread as a split LHD/RHD , Jaguar/Daimler, 6cyl/V12 .so just a few hundred of each . The first owner of my XJ did not wish to sit & look at an ocean of black plastic dash top , so in the Bryson Motors(aussie jag distributor) order for the car there is the notation padded black leather dash roll to be fitted and it was, same with all door panels leather, leather everywhere including the hood lining , not bri-nylon , nor woolen flannel, but leather possibly a one off, but every time you sat behind the wheel you also felt special this was also a beautiful car to drive , as it had been factory ordered again to be fitted with Koni gas shocks which gave it way stiffer handling than a standard car. Keep up your wonderful videos .
Another fascinating insight into another car. What made this video extra special was the special guest. It's such a joy to hear the stories from behind the scenes, thank you 😊
I used to work with a gentleman at RR Derby (Aero), called Tom Telfer. He was active with the RREC and had a Shadow 2. He was a friend of Roddy Harvey Bailey. He once reported Roddy turning up with a Mulsanne? Which had suspension mods, and scarring him in the local country lanes. It later transpired that Roddy and I shared the same local, so I sort of knew him, but not who he was. Happy days!
We must have crossed paths at Crewe because I was there for 37years and knew all the names you spoke about - especially Mike Dunn who was a proper Gentleman Engineer! I also reported directly for Peter Aston for a while, after I returned from a spell working in the USA. Great to listen to you, it brought back so many memories.
Thank you, Iain. Your videos are always excellent but you have surpassed yourself with this one. I served my apprenticeship with a Rolls-Royce and Bentley dealership in Edinburgh and remember one Camargue up here in Scotland. Whilst on a training course at Hythe Road, Willesden in London (1974 from memory) I used to arrive early in the mornings and was invited in for a cup of tea at Mulliner Park Ward’s coachworks. One morning I was shown something ‘very special’ in a corner of there premises, it was project ‘Delta’ which became the Camargue. I particularly like the styling of the Camargue, as I was familiar with the Fiat 130 Coupe too, I find the Camargue and the 130 to both be quite colour sensitive in appearance. I wholly agree with you regarding the dashboard, it is a design masterpiece.
Yet another brilliant video, Iain. I love the videos where you cover the various cars you are working on you but you should also include more of these fascinating stories. The trouble is I could watch hours of your videos and I know that your focus is rightly on the engineering side!
I like how the horizontal line of the dashboard always stays perfectly parallel with the horizon line through the curves. Thanks Iain for another great video.
This channel is a must for any classic car (and petrol head) enthusiast. All of its contents are a delight to watch and listen to. Congratulation because I sincerely think this channel is one of the most perfect examples of what a UA-cam channel should be. Nothing more than what people come here for, a passionate appreciation of classic cars, their history and all of their heritage. Love it and obviously subscribed!
This is outstanding. How have I not found this channel sooner! Came here via Harry’s garage recently and cannot believe this channel has been unknown to me for so long. A huge catalogue of beautifully shot videos for me to watch and enjoy (and learn from). Best find since they discovered the Mary Rose!! 👍🏻👍🏻
Followed one of these recently in San Marino, CA. Had no bloody idea what it was: never seen one before. I was fascinated trying to see what model Rolls it was, without being too obvious. An elderly gentleman was driving and the car was drop dead gorgeous and impeccable. Thanks much for the overview!
Funny thing is, I was musing on the Fiat 130 Coupe resemblance prior to it being mentioned (particularly the rear three quarter view) - but I didn't realise it was influenced quite so directly. I just figured it was a Pininfarina design of the same era, and chalked up the similarity to that. As a youngster I found the headlamp treatment a bit clumsy & was dismissive of the styling as 'ugly' - but looking at it again, it's really growing on me.
In the 70's, I lived opposite a Fiat garage/dealer (in Hilversum, the Netherlands) where I befriended the many young mechanics (me being a boy of abt 12 years of age)...-they learned me how to drive at that age actually-, but what I remember from that time is that there was a Fiat 130 sedan once but never any Fiat 130 Coupe as far as I know -much too exclusive I guess- and the chief mechanic complaining that the automatic gearbox was not strong enough for the power that 130 sedan generated....causing a main failure at that time....perhaps they came with manual gearboxes aswell....anyway, never seen much Fiat 130's in the Netherlands ever....cheers!
Iain, Your information and brief history on the Camargue is correct and you mention a follow up. I was a Development Engineer transferred from the RR Shrewsbury Diesel Division in 1976 (turbocharger experience on diesels) to Crewe Engine Projects. David Plastow as you stated had the car created. However with its “built in head wind” design it was SLOWER than the Shadow and the turbocharged engine was specifically for the Camargue. All efforts at the time was for California emissions so all the R&D for fuel injection focused there. We had to continue with the Solex existing solex carb in a sealed chamber. The engine was well developed when I emigrated to Canada in 1978 and the slogan for regular Rolls cars power output of “Adequate” was to be changed to “More than Adequate” for the turbo car. I still have several documents from my time and Super8 (now digitized) of the installation. Love your UA-cams and your engaging fireside chat informative style. There were 7 of us in the Engine Projects dept, sadly I’m am the only one left. They were a wonderful brilliant group of engineers led by Jack Read.
My favorite RR of all time. That it’s a Pininfarina design is undoubtedly part of my love for this rarified car. There’s several incredible dealerships near me, one in particular Miller Motorcars Ltd had a light gold (not sure what the proper factory color was called) example, I think a 1978. At the time they didn’t have room for all their inventory in one place, so approx 30 cars were parked in an underground garage that anyone could access (if you knew where to look!). I used to “visit” it regularly. Also housed was another fav, the ultimate wedge that is the idiosyncratic Lagonda - a black example & another favorite car. -Thank you for this informative upload! Cheers
This is one of the most enjoyable auto videos I have ever watched. Iain Tyrrell does a masterful job of giving the viewer all kinds of interesting insights on not only the car itself but the stories about how it came about, production insights, and much more. I did not want the video to end.
Have always loved these and so glad Iain made the Thunderbirds reference - which is the main reason. Pininfarina styling with Rolls-Royce engineering is an unbeatable combination imho, although I do agree that quite a lot of people aren’t that keen. My earliest memory of seeing one in the flesh was the night before Charles & Diana got married. We went as a family to the fireworks show in Hyde Park and managed to find a parking space in Mayfair and walked the short distance to the park. Being in a posh part of town, my older brother and I did a bit of car spotting as we walked. Sitting there in a wonderful Olive green (much like the Aston DBS in the background) was this long, low, shiny beautiful Rolls coupe. I had never seen a Rolls coupe before and thought only big posh saloons existed for rich toffs with chauffeurs. However my head and heart were turned by this amazing machine. Standing there in awe and gawping at it like a lovesick teenager, my bubble was burst when my brother announced that “no one likes em cos they’re a bit weird looking.” I announced that I loved it and we subsequently got into an argument which was interrupted by our father shouting at us “to keep together and stop arguing about bloody cars all the damn time!” Suffice to say this has always been one of my favourite Rolls and it doesn’t bother me that I’m in a small minority. My perfect combination would be the V8 turbo from the Mulsanne fitted into a midnight blue Camargue body…with Monica Belucci in the passenger seat. I can but dream 💭
Ian is absolutely right as usual. I ran a Shadow, then a Spirit, then a Turbo R years ago - and always thought the Camargue looked wrong. But with the slightly later alloys and in the right colour, they are ageing very well - possibly better than the Spirit/Mulsanne. As the Turbo R prototype was a Camargue (I believe) I can't help thinking that a Bentley Camargue with the Turbo R engine would be a fantastic retro mod.
I really enjoyed the interview with Pete Aston - so good to get an insider's view particularly of a really critical phase in RR's history. I didn't get the impression that at the meeting in question, Piech twigged that he hadn't bought the rights to the name - I wonder when he found out (he must have gone ballistic). It seems counterintuitive to reengineer the Seraph (in VW's case, Arnage) rather than build a new car off an A8 or Phaeton platform.
Oh how much have I enjoyed this video! Thanks again, it's always a huge pleasure to view them. I'm fully aware of the battles between Chassis Development, Forward Engineering and Design departments in the early stages of a project development, to make sure that once in production, the car will give the eye a correct stance, a perfect appearence of standing on its feet with perfect balance between its corners, and with all the four wheels filling the wheel arches in a pleasant way to the eyes. But of course, in the early 80's things should be fairly different and more difficult! On another subject, regarding the visit of Dr.Pïech to Crewe, I can imagine the stress of having to give bad news to him ... something similar seems to have happened a decade before, when a chief engineer at Porsche had to inform him that the 917's modified by John Wyer (917 K from "Kurzheck"-short tail), although having effectively more drag that the standard ones, designed under the guidelines of Dr.Pïech himself, those were undoubtedly quicker!
I notice the paint on the bonnet has swirly scratches on it. Needs a good polish. I used to work with a guy who had worked for Rolls as an electrical engineer. He convinced management that the Silver Shadow battery wasn’t big enough and persuaded them to let him have one on test for a year to assess it. Another great video thanks.
Iain, a fabulous insight to the car and brand. I can only endorse all of the previous comments - fascinating. If I may, between 1984-87 I was a young police officer based in Crewe. Part of my foot beat ( yes foot patrol) was the RR Factory. I never got beyond the security hut with a brew but fabulous view of all the cars going out on road test prior to delivery. I got to chat with a test driver, all hand picked who explained that most cars would have around 80 miles on the clock. Due to them being hand built they were all very different, with their issues yet perfect once they went out for delivery. Masking tape around the steering wheel to write notes on to remind each test driver of issues. Final wash a polish and it’s new wheels fitted, test ones removed - great. I would add that your channel and Harry’s Garage make great viewing, far better than the BBC these days - thank you, Mike.
A fascinating glimpse into the background of Camargue, however Mr Tyrell’s comment about it being inspired by the Fiat 130 is actually incorrect. Paolo Martin’s design for Camargue was already in place in 1969, and I have dated copies of the drawings, so I’m wondering where the story about David Plastow glancing out of his office window to the car park came from.
That’s interesting you say that because the Fiat 130 was first revealed at the Geneva motor show in 1971 and very shortly after that Paolo Martin left Pininfarina. So I can’t imagine it was after that with Camargue first appearing in 1975. There wouldn’t have been enough time. What a shame this fact is wrong.
A very enjoyable production from start to finish. The interview was very good and interesting. I've never seen a Camargue in the flesh. I always liked them, I tend to like big coupes, from Nissan Leppard to the Camargue. I never was aware of the Fiat influence, but now its obvious! I loved the comparison shots between the Fiat and Rolls Royce. Top stuff.
I first saw one when I was 8 or 9 years old as it moved slowly along in London traffic. I was so awestruck seeing one if the flesh, I ran along to keep up with it and ran straight into a lamp post. Spent the night in Roehampton hospital under observation for concussion. Camargues and Oscar India Astons can still hospitalise me in the same way to this very day.
03:38 I do not believe that the 130 sedan was a catastrophe design-wise. Actually it was a quite beautifil car. It was the layout of engine, what made it a second choice.
As a Police traffic patrol officer in Staffordshire i recall the day we stopped a new never before seen Rolls Royce which was south bound on the M6 just north of Keele services. Registered RR 1 it was a Camargue, with two crew who we chatted with who informed us it would cost £33,000. They gave us some RR promotional photos. As a bobby on £120 a month i only ever owned the photos. A beautiful car.
Thank you, Iain. I never realized it was the Fiat 130 that was the inspiration for the Camargue. I always thought it was Lady Penelope's Rolls Royce! Seriously, you have altered my perception of these cars. Thanks for your insights.
It's really wonderful, Mr. Tyrrel, to be able to watch you tune up all those classic cars from the '50s, '60s, '70s y '80s, which I've seen in all your videos. He teaches us with his enormous wisdom, with his knowledge and his great dedication, to all of us who are lovers of classic cars. Seeing that he is a true expert in the field, I took the audacity to ask him, what SAE viscosity grade is the best for the engines of those classic cars? And is it better to use synthetic or mineral oils for them? Here in Uruguay, mechanics recommend using mineral oils in the engines of all cars prior to the 1980s. I don't want to get you into an argument with oil companies, or tribology engineers, who suggest certain types of oils, but many mechanics recommend others. I know it's a never ending discussion. Thank you in advance for showing us all those wonderful cars and your teacher work. Go ahead and thank you.
Your videos are pretty much the only ones I don’t run at 1.25 or 1.5 times regular speed. Your voice is insanely soothing and engaging in a non-intrusive way. I’m absolutely sure you could have a second career as a voice-over actor!
Is the car missing the left hand side headlamp wipers? If so, It is a shame, and I do hope you find a replacement soon. Pete is a lovely man, very interesting to hear his stories first hand. Bring him more often, please.
In my humble opinion, your best video yet, Ian. Partly because of the incredibly engaging interview with Pete Aston, but maybe also because of my own memories of the Carmague. Terence Lennon, owner of the St Helens supermarket chain “Lennons”, was also the owner of one of the first Camargues, I think. I have a fond memory of being in the front seat of the car, being driven by him on the Rainford by-pass with my glamorous mother and aunt in the back. In Terry’s signature style, they were sharing a bottle of Dom Perignon! What a car, what a man! For a car mad teenager in the mid-seventies, it was a memory that has never left me. I remember it every time I drive my own 82 XJ6 and can identify with the experience Ian describes of driving this lovely “waft able” car. Thanks Ian.
As usual, really interesting and informative. I remember being a passenger in one when they were relatively new and it was a fabulous place to be, the dashboard was just so unique !
So very interesting , from beginning to end . For a short while, I could almost imagine what it was like to be amongst those select few , who were able to live that dream , to drive that car . The Rolls Royce craftsman/ engineer was also a joy to behold . Spilling the beans , so to speak , on what was involved in producing these thoroughbreds of the road . Dare I say ' from the horse's mouth '. However , no disrespect intended !!!
Love it. You're at the bus stop and the normal route bus is waiting, but you let it go by and wait for the express. You get to the last stop and the normal route bus is right behind you. Never fails.
Fascinating episode. The Fiat 130 coupe comparison and that interior will now make me forever think of it as the Fiat Carmargue. Great episode. Top quality production.
That lovely SOLEX carburetor was also used on the 1975 Mercedes Benz 280 / S M110 Sedan & Coupe. I spent many hours adjusting the secondary opening setting using special weighted tool. Combined with Clayton in floor Dynomometer to test my work. Rewarding maintenance work. Amazingly poor performance when wrong, almost exciting when operating properly. I also Dyno tested a client's Camarque before and after it had US No-Lead emission exhaust vs Euro leaded fuel system exhaust changed everytime this African Diplomat shipped the car overseas and back to Greenwich, Connecticut. We were a Rolls dealer at my MB dealer, but Rolls corporate wouldn't quote me Horse Power readings so I had to come up with my own using the Dyno. Exciting times for this young Star Technician used to getting all sorts of Dyno test specifications from Mercedes. The Camarque was an exciting car compared to the stodgy Clouds. Iain, thank you again for another great video highlighting cars from my past 🇬🇧👍 C.D. in New Hampshire 🇺🇲✌️
I love the large powerful 2-door cars that were so popular here in the US from the late '60s through mid '70s. Cars like the Continental Mark IV, Riviera, Toronado, were pure excess, the end of an era. I must admit not being aware of the Camargue, but it fits nicely into that same automotive cliché.
My uncle bought a new one of these when I was a kid, it felt other worldly being driven around in it at that age. In the late eighties (my late twenties) I went to view a house, not far from where I was living, and the owner was a rock star (who I won’t mention) and he had one as a daily driver … I finally discovered where the loud noise came from that regularly drove past my house for months, it was this Camargue with hole in the exhaust! I’ve since owned a few RR and Bentley cars, starting with a Shadow II not long after this, which was both glorious and troublesome in equal measure. Turbo R for me was probably my favourite, keep thinking about getting one for the weekends lately, although current crazy thinking is to get a Corniche convertible as a daily driver before the very idea is outlawed!
I remember the launch - I think the launch price was £29K but with 70s inflation that quickly increased. The Sun did a double page spread on 'The world's most expensive car' - a talking point was the Climate Control that would keep the inside temp constant on a drive from the North Pole to the Sahara - I think my Toyota will do that today....lol . 47 years on and I don't think I've ever seen one on the road. Thanks Iain for great content.
The Bonham's description for the last they sold (£30k) sums it up for me: "probably the love child of an Aston Martin Lagonda and Lady Penelope’s FAB 1." There are a host for sale currently - at 456 money - and having looked, you just wouldn't. But thanks for the intro, Ian.
Wonderful video. I would love to hear more from Pete Aston. His insights into the whole process of car manufacture were fabulous - and his particular insight into these fantastic cars is great to hear and important to document.
Ian, Thanks for the fantastic review. You are the Best! Learned so much about a car I always disliked. As a Cloud & Turbo RL owner & a Rolls-Royce & Bentley owner for over 46 years this car never excited me due to as you mentioned the "stance".Pete Aston was such a great fund of Knowledge. Your final reveal of the outside door handles made me laugh & almost made me want one. Cheers from Canada.
Super story behind the story if you like, digging deep, finding lost facts and stories giving us chaps a true understanding of what went on in the design and production process is just invaluable. Thank you Iain, your channel is a gem.
I see Harry's V12 Coupe in the background - is it in for custom tuning? Also, I thought you were going to say that was a Rochester Quadrajet carb on the Carmague. Looks very similar.
I was very intrigued, when I saw this car coming out back then. Today, I find it stunningly beautiful. And who would have thought, it was inspired by a Fiat??! Amazing story and car!
29:00 (Jet flies over) Lain: "It doesn't make quite as much power as the vehicle we hear in the background.." as he casually gestures into the air. Brilliant improv!
Is this technically the best car channel on UA-cam? Maybe not the most entertaining as far as action and loud music, but just objectively the best? The level of access we have and the quality of the knowledge being passed along is just surreal to me. There is nothing else even close, and if there is, someone please tell me.
This is a wonderful video for anybody who wanted to find out more about the Camargue story. I have for many years been intrigued about the Rolls Royce era of this rare classic and I always wondered whether Rolls will take on the challenge of reviving the Camargue concept in their current model range? I have a real love of the rectangular squared away shape of all of its surfaces, the beautiful dash which Tyrrell pointed out and for me, I’m crazy about the rear design because it’s so unique to Rolls Royce. Those rear lights and the boot design, continues the squared rectangular design theme to its conclusion. A masterpiece.
Well, this most certainly has been another gloss of delight again. Actually, I’ve never been able to pin down exactly the reasons why this specific exterior design has always been quite disquieting for my eyes as well. However, yes indeed, the smallest of utter details can enhance or disturb the balance of an entire picture profoundly in such a way that anything slightly off in the smallest can damage its appeal. The wheels and how it sits on them had not crossed my mind on this one. But yes, you have exactly identified pretty much the size of the matter. For some reason as well, the rather boxy exterior design wasn’t as refined as the Silver Shadow and Corniche perhaps. In terms of coherent elegant trim lines all around the car, something was off there additionally I think. The Camargue was quite a mixed bag in RR's line-up I should say. RR then were of course crafted cars, not mass production in where the smallest of niggling details in manufactutring are to gain imperative extra efficiency. Quite the difference. Thank you so much for sharing the actual insights from first hand. And thank you for having Pete Aston to share some fascinating insights.
@@Conservator. Oh well, this is most flattering, however from engineering points of view, deep insights and stories, Tyrrell's channel for me is an eye opener as well, very much so. Mostly I am aesthetics oriented and well into classic cars, but matters on engineering and deep networks at the very top such as Tyrrell's is best learnt here. Big company politics and how things might float internally at the top is something I have experienced and can actually relate to. It's not for the faint hearted to say the least. Of course Piëch and the German way was being mentioned, and I think that Mr. Aston had to be quite delicate. I can imagine his utter shock at the time a bit, lol.
I was brought up in a village in Lanarkshire, Scotland in the 1970's where there happened to be a FIAT dealership. I remember that Pininfarina coupe being there and also Graham Hill unveiling the Mirafiori!
Wonderful Ian. I always liked this car for the outrageous price compared to anything else back then but like you I am only now appreaciating more the look. I remember seeing one in 1980 painted in a lovely Olive green paint with a beautiful dark green interior and the wood had a lovely warm light sherry colour to the stain. Still for me the best colour combination I have seen for this model. When I lived in Vancouver there was an old chap who owned a white one with red leather but it was a very tired example and looked a bit shabby, white is not a good colour for this car.
I think the Camargue missed the styling mark that the Fiat 130 hit, it's a nearly car. Beautifully built and maybe coming into its own (like the early XJS etc). It has 'something' but i'm not sure what 😁😁 Great film Iain as always. I would love to have a wander around your garage. I have been close I we do supply clients where you are based. 👍
The scuttle is too high on the RR. They had to use the Silver Shadow platform, and you really need to have a lower beltline on a coupe for the lines to work.
Back in the 80’s I worked with a former RR lab guy, he told me they had a call from a dealer who was servicing a Camarge. They had noticed a little blister in the paint under the door. My friend investigated and found that when the door was made a quantity of lead was cast into the bottom to give the door a healthy thunk when it was closed. The lead was fluxed with ammonium chloride and some residues had remained. The factory instruction was to strip the door, strip the paint, steam clean and repaint and so on. All costs to the factory.
I can imagine my Ford dealer being so professional and courteous too! 😂
If Audi, BMW or Merc got an issue like that from their "fanatic" customers, I am sure they will give exactly the same awesome customer service.
Just kidding, just kidding!
yes why they struggled no doubt
I remember seeing one in Bond Street as a small boy, I was with my Nan who was only too aware of my car obsession, I wanted to take a picture of it with her camera and she told me that I needed to ask the owner first. We waited for a bit and the owner was a no show, so we came back later and waited for what seemed like forever to a nine year old, but he did show up and I remember a tanned gentleman with film star looks, my Nan duly asked and a picture was taken of me next to the car! I’ve loved them ever since and I’m truly bowled over by the Fiat 130 similarities (another firm favourite), as despite knowing the Pininfarina connection I never knew how close the interior was. Another fascinating insight to another incredible car! Iain has made this sector of UA-cam his own, there is no one better! Thank you for another addictive episode!
I might have seen the same or similar one on Bond St too. I was there in Sept 1983, staying in the nearby Westbury Hotel prior to travelling to the Middle East for a lucrative 2-year contract with a US health company. The Camargue looked enormous compared to the other kerbside motors, most of which were themselves quite exclusive. Then I spotted the driver and his attractive companion. He looked like Mike Rutherford of Genesis, she looked like a super model. Even my two year contract as lucrative as it was could not have bought a Camargue though I saw many of them in the Middle East along with as much exotic tin as you can imagine around the ritzier parts of Jeddah & Riyadh. My daily driver there was a Brazilian Built 1.6 litre VW Beetle, imported and sold by the Bin-Ladens. The family also held the distribution for Porsche, Audi and a bevy of other premium brands, probably RR & Bentley. Great video and once again, Iain giving a masterclass in the subtleties of car design. Thanks so much.
I| agree Simon....I was blissfully unaware of the link to the Fiat 130 Coupe design cues. Obvious in retrospect i guess!
@@aDistantLight 50 years ago the world was a very different place, you might see half a dozen Rolls Royces in a year if you lived outside London, even less Ferraris, Astons and Lamborghini’s. Back then, it was polite to ask if you wanted to take a picture of something special like that if it was the subject op the photo, it taught you patience, consideration and respect, it was just the way things were done.
@@aDistantLight imagine how old you have to be to remember good manners ! 1983 is such a looong time ago, I mean was it even like in actual colour?
So touching and shows a lifetime ago that your Nan insisted that you ask the owner for permission to take a photo of the car. Such a different morale code, incredible. Thank you for a great post.
I could sit and listen to you talking with Pete for as long as you are willing to record. What a fantastic piece of industrial history and a rich insight into the car world that we all love so much. Many thanks.
I definitely would like to hear more conversation of his work at Rolls/Bentley.
I agree. This sort of chat is fabulous.
Completely agree as well. This conversation absolutely makes this video, and makes it the best you've produced. Pete's a great speaker with good pace, and no repeating himself, talking in circles or fumbling for words. I didn't like the car at all until this conversation started :)
Oh yes, please do!
Absolutely loved the interview. More please….how about a pay to attend live “Gentlemens Evening”?…compulsory curry naturally!
My Father bought one of these (post 1980 with revised wheels/suspension) almost a decade ago when they really were cast aside as a remnant of a dark time in RR's history. Me, being an 11 year old with no knowledge of its reputation, marvelled at its supremely elegant presence and interior. Its smoothness of operation really took me aback, and when other enthusiasts began telling me what a failure this was from RR and Pininfarina, they weren't able to actually pinpoint why it was as bad as they said it was. I suppose such a stylistic departure by RR was bound to be met with criticism, especially from those in the established motoring press.
To my mind, fabulous today.
In 1982 as a 10 yo boy, the Countach and RR Camargue where the two most expensive and ultimate cars of their genre, they were undoubtedly my favourites.... seeing them side by side in this workshop is just spectacular!!!
I'm a tad shocked Ian isn't up to at least 500K subs by now. Easily the best garage channel on YT. Keep it coming, love the content!
He's a hidden treasure , and we are lucky to have found him !!! 😊
It’s more about quality subscribers than raw quantity 😉
@@rpc2210 Well said!
Iain makes it feel like it’s my car he’s working on or talking about. This channel is an absolute pleasure to listen to and watch.
That's because there's too many fakers on UA-cam. Ian's the REAL thing, so they weasel away from this spectacular channel.
I used to live near to Crewe and got a factory visit around 1980 to watch them all being built. It was very old fashioned but meticulous and the craftmanship was amazing.
Love the chat with you and Pete, There's the RR company "speak" and there's the real world speak.
Two enthousiasts happily wallowing in their shared nostalgia - marvellous!
When I was doing a couple of months "industrial experience" at Crewe in 1969, a requirement for my engineering degree, a guy turned up a the parts department looking for a replacement sump pan for his 1920s Bentley barn find that was originally one of Wolf Barnato's Le Mans racers - a one-off. Post race it was converted to a gentleman's tourer. The story was that they shoehorned a big engine into a smaller chassis and the sump pan was very non standard. The Crewe parts department had a replacement sump pan in stock. As soon as the existing one was bought, the parts dept. ordered a new one.
It's the same with heavy equipment parts that wear off too slowly or are never supposed to be replaced . Once you order the last part in inventory, manufacturer give order to produce a new replacement to be held in stock
Just imagine if 2 people ordered it at the same time 😂
The thing I enjoy most about these videos is, I always learn something. In fact, usually quite a lot. So interesting. Keep up the good work Iain.
Great video! We need an 1.5 hour episode with Pete Aston about custom built RR's.
100% this 👍
Wow, love the model best looking Rolls Royce and story of how it came about. The blue Fiat 130 coupe in the pictures is Domenico's my dads next to my Mondial 8. Thank you Ian for choosing those pictures it's made our day to see this, we are true fans of your channel and of all the cars you show.
During the restoration of my E21 I had the pleasure of cleaning, lubing and getting my door mechanisms to factory spec and that nice crisp actuation. It's always these small things that you interact with on a daily basis that elevate the experience of owning a classic car.
While working at an RR and Bentley shop outside of New York I had an opportunity to work on one in the early 80's. Black with a Cashmere color interior. A very understated car that showed an incredible level of fit and finish. It still stands out in my mind 40 years later.
That Saturday morning meeting story was epic. Love learning this kind of thing and LOL.
Ian, I knew a German Vehicle engineer and repairer His job was at a major RR repair centre, and he would state firmly, that it was impossible to keep every part of a RR fully functional at once. His great passion was to work on Volkswagen Beetle's, which were forever reliable, largely due to the significantly lower complexity and lower parts count.
Interesting viewpoint. I’ve driven plenty of 100% functioning RRs but I do understand what he means!
The knowledge, the intelligence, the scholarship, the production and the commentary of these videos. All extraordinary.
You can't fake true dedication.
My brother in law worked at 'Kennings' in Sheffield during the 70s and 80s and I remember going one Saturday morning to see him.
The Rolls Royce service manager allowed me to sit in a Camargue that belonged to 'Shirley Bassey' as it was over from Monaco for a service.
This car is 'lagoon Blue' I think.??
Having now owned an early Silver Spirit and a late Turbo R - I really really love the Camargue- it’s a work of art and really must have made a statement at the time… it’s on my wish list to find a fixer upper!
As a Crewe born lad that was fascinating, the people I knew worked at Royce's, never Rolls, Royce being the engineer. I once saw a plaque outside a house in the South of France which said the house once belonged to Henry Royce, mechanic !!
Our first house in 1972 ,a 3 bed semi cost about £4,800 which puts the price of this car into a context
Great video
I have loved the Camargue from the first moment it came out and I accuired a poster of this car, hung it on my bedroom wall soaking in it's beauty. One day soon, I intend to own one for sure. Thanks for this very informative video
Hi Ian, from Sydney , Australia , one of my great uncles was a staunch Rolls Royce supporter & bought quite a few starting with one of the first 2 Silver Shadows in Australia it was a brilliant lively metallic red with ivory leather seats. This he really loved & kept it over 4 decades & sold it 2 years prior to his death. He bought in very late1976 a series a series 2 crash bumpered Corniche coupe kept it just 2 years & replaced it in October '78 with an unusual deep grey metallic with an almost mauve tinge in it Camargue with a pale turquoise interior at age 22 I got to drive it whilst he and my aunt took a 6 week boat cruise with friends . What a wonderful car, retaining the 4 door Shadow as a "spare" he used the Carmargue & racked up some serious miles going to a rural property most weekends. Ian you mention the dash when as a young man I first touched it I could feel that it was made of classy anodised metal , NOT plastic , almost like aeronautical instruments. He was a jeweler, he made some good money as a young man in investing and went into instrument repairs , industrial jewellery and small boutique jewellery chain . When he found RR were going to stop making Camargue's, he ordered another , in Midnight blue with ivory leather , keeping it for years until updating it with a Seraph in 1998 . In the middle he had owned a Silver Spirit for a while , but after about 5 years it was sold off & his second Camargue again became the daily car once more . I always loved the look of them also with their under front bar air dam. Thanks for this excellent video as I learned re the rear suspension & the widened track with the later Bentley alloy rims. I own several lovely classic cars , however if I was ever going to buy a Rolls Royce , it would ONLY be a Camargue. As a 22 year old in 1978 it was SO cool to drive it I'd just passed uni exams to be a Doctor . When we Uncle Len & myself went for a drive in it to see how everything worked I felt like a million dollars , and I was well aware, this was the most expensive car on earth in its day, I carefully bedded it in using it over their 6 weeks away . I had at the same time bought my own "flash" new car some shares I had invested in had shot up massively in value & worried that they would fall I pulled my cash out, using some of it to buy a 4 year old Long Wheelbase series 1 XJ6 in regency red with natural hides, ordered to be basically a 6 cylinder VanDen Plas with the 4 separate seats wood panels on the doors etc , I loved it & kept it 32 years . The LWB series 1 XJ's are rare , just 2.5% of series 1 production some 2600 body shells spread as a split LHD/RHD , Jaguar/Daimler, 6cyl/V12 .so just a few hundred of each . The first owner of my XJ did not wish to sit & look at an ocean of black plastic dash top , so in the Bryson Motors(aussie jag distributor) order for the car there is the notation padded black leather dash roll to be fitted and it was, same with all door panels leather, leather everywhere including the hood lining , not bri-nylon , nor woolen flannel, but leather possibly a one off, but every time you sat behind the wheel you also felt special this was also a beautiful car to drive , as it had been factory ordered again to be fitted with Koni gas shocks which gave it way stiffer handling than a standard car. Keep up your wonderful videos .
Another fascinating insight into another car. What made this video extra special was the special guest. It's such a joy to hear the stories from behind the scenes, thank you 😊
I used to work with a gentleman at RR Derby (Aero), called Tom Telfer. He was active with the RREC and had a Shadow 2. He was a friend of Roddy Harvey Bailey. He once reported Roddy turning up with a Mulsanne? Which had suspension mods, and scarring him in the local country lanes. It later transpired that Roddy and I shared the same local, so I sort of knew him, but not who he was. Happy days!
Roddy had a dark green Shadow 11 demonstrator for his handling kits. I borrowed it regularly- I was an agent for fitting the kits.
Small world
We must have crossed paths at Crewe because I was there for 37years and knew all the names you spoke about - especially Mike Dunn who was a proper Gentleman Engineer! I also reported directly for Peter Aston for a while, after I returned from a spell working in the USA.
Great to listen to you, it brought back so many memories.
Thank you, Iain. Your videos are always excellent but you have surpassed yourself with this one.
I served my apprenticeship with a Rolls-Royce and Bentley dealership in Edinburgh and remember one Camargue up here in Scotland. Whilst on a training course at Hythe Road, Willesden in London (1974 from memory) I used to arrive early in the mornings and was invited in for a cup of tea at Mulliner Park Ward’s coachworks. One morning I was shown something ‘very special’ in a corner of there premises, it was project ‘Delta’ which became the Camargue.
I particularly like the styling of the Camargue, as I was familiar with the Fiat 130 Coupe too, I find the Camargue and the 130 to both be quite colour sensitive in appearance. I wholly agree with you regarding the dashboard, it is a design masterpiece.
Was that Rossleighs back in the day?
@@lesliewood135 Yes, it was.
Yet another brilliant video, Iain. I love the videos where you cover the various cars you are working on you but you should also include more of these fascinating stories. The trouble is I could watch hours of your videos and I know that your focus is rightly on the engineering side!
I like how the horizontal line of the dashboard always stays perfectly parallel with the horizon line through the curves. Thanks Iain for another great video.
Thank you very much for the education.
This is probably the shortest 40 min video on UA-cam. Fascinating.
This channel is a must for any classic car (and petrol head) enthusiast. All of its contents are a delight to watch and listen to. Congratulation because I sincerely think this channel is one of the most perfect examples of what a UA-cam channel should be. Nothing more than what people come here for, a passionate appreciation of classic cars, their history and all of their heritage. Love it and obviously subscribed!
Overpriced & looks like my grandmothers car she drives to church 😂😂😂
This is outstanding. How have I not found this channel sooner! Came here via Harry’s garage recently and cannot believe this channel has been unknown to me for so long. A huge catalogue of beautifully shot videos for me to watch and enjoy (and learn from). Best find since they discovered the Mary Rose!! 👍🏻👍🏻
Followed one of these recently in San Marino, CA. Had no bloody idea what it was: never seen one before. I was fascinated trying to see what model Rolls it was, without being too obvious. An elderly gentleman was driving and the car was drop dead gorgeous and impeccable. Thanks much for the overview!
Loved that one Iain. Please try and get some more guests on the channel. It's great to hear some first-hand stories.
"Have you got a set of door handles" reminds me of my days at AC Cars in Thames Ditton.
Funny thing is, I was musing on the Fiat 130 Coupe resemblance prior to it being mentioned (particularly the rear three quarter view) - but I didn't realise it was influenced quite so directly. I just figured it was a Pininfarina design of the same era, and chalked up the similarity to that. As a youngster I found the headlamp treatment a bit clumsy & was dismissive of the styling as 'ugly' - but looking at it again, it's really growing on me.
In the 70's, I lived opposite a Fiat garage/dealer (in Hilversum, the Netherlands) where I befriended the many young mechanics (me being a boy of abt 12 years of age)...-they learned me how to drive at that age actually-, but what I remember from that time is that there was a Fiat 130 sedan once but never any Fiat 130 Coupe as far as I know -much too exclusive I guess- and the chief mechanic complaining that the automatic gearbox was not strong enough for the power that 130 sedan generated....causing a main failure at that time....perhaps they came with manual gearboxes aswell....anyway, never seen much Fiat 130's in the Netherlands ever....cheers!
Hello Karl how are you doing 😊
I am 55 years of age. Car nuts and yet I have never seen or heard of this model. Simply love your content.
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. So many interesting and surprising facts and info. Thanks so much.
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Iain, Your information and brief history on the Camargue is correct and you mention a follow up. I was a Development Engineer transferred from the RR Shrewsbury Diesel Division in 1976 (turbocharger experience on diesels) to Crewe Engine Projects. David Plastow as you stated had the car created. However with its “built in head wind” design it was SLOWER than the Shadow and the turbocharged engine was specifically for the Camargue. All efforts at the time was for California emissions so all the R&D for fuel injection focused there. We had to continue with the Solex existing solex carb in a sealed chamber. The engine was well developed when I emigrated to Canada in 1978 and the slogan for regular Rolls cars power output of “Adequate” was to be changed to “More than Adequate” for the turbo car. I still have several documents from my time and Super8 (now digitized) of the installation. Love your UA-cams and your engaging fireside chat informative style. There were 7 of us in the Engine Projects dept, sadly I’m am the only one left. They were a wonderful brilliant group of engineers led by Jack Read.
My favorite RR of all time. That it’s a Pininfarina design is undoubtedly part of my love for this rarified car. There’s several incredible dealerships near me, one in particular Miller Motorcars Ltd had a light gold (not sure what the proper factory color was called) example, I think a 1978. At the time they didn’t have room for all their inventory in one place, so approx 30 cars were parked in an underground garage that anyone could access (if you knew where to look!). I used to “visit” it regularly. Also housed was another fav, the ultimate wedge that is the idiosyncratic Lagonda - a black example & another favorite car. -Thank you for this informative upload! Cheers
What a garage ! A super rare rolls, a couple of ferarris, and an old cheap porsche in the background. Eclectic.
This is one of the most enjoyable auto videos I have ever watched. Iain Tyrrell does a masterful job of giving the viewer all kinds of interesting insights on not only the car itself but the stories about how it came about, production insights, and much more. I did not want the video to end.
'Is it a sensory experience...' Those are the best words I've heard to sum up whether a car is special or not.
That thing is gorgeous. I straight away thought of the Aston Marin Lagonda in a weird way. I’d love that styling on modern Rolls.
Hello Mark how are you doing 😊
Have always loved these and so glad Iain made the Thunderbirds reference - which is the main reason. Pininfarina styling with Rolls-Royce engineering is an unbeatable combination imho, although I do agree that quite a lot of people aren’t that keen.
My earliest memory of seeing one in the flesh was the night before Charles & Diana got married. We went as a family to the fireworks show in Hyde Park and managed to find a parking space in Mayfair and walked the short distance to the park. Being in a posh part of town, my older brother and I did a bit of car spotting as we walked. Sitting there in a wonderful Olive green (much like the Aston DBS in the background) was this long, low, shiny beautiful Rolls coupe. I had never seen a Rolls coupe before and thought only big posh saloons existed for rich toffs with chauffeurs. However my head and heart were turned by this amazing machine. Standing there in awe and gawping at it like a lovesick teenager, my bubble was burst when my brother announced that “no one likes em cos they’re a bit weird looking.” I announced that I loved it and we subsequently got into an argument which was interrupted by our father shouting at us “to keep together and stop arguing about bloody cars all the damn time!”
Suffice to say this has always been one of my favourite Rolls and it doesn’t bother me that I’m in a small minority. My perfect combination would be the V8 turbo from the Mulsanne fitted into a midnight blue Camargue body…with Monica Belucci in the passenger seat.
I can but dream 💭
Ian is absolutely right as usual. I ran a Shadow, then a Spirit, then a Turbo R years ago - and always thought the Camargue looked wrong. But with the slightly later alloys and in the right colour, they are ageing very well - possibly better than the Spirit/Mulsanne. As the Turbo R prototype was a Camargue (I believe) I can't help thinking that a Bentley Camargue with the Turbo R engine would be a fantastic retro mod.
I really enjoyed the interview with Pete Aston - so good to get an insider's view particularly of a really critical phase in RR's history. I didn't get the impression that at the meeting in question, Piech twigged that he hadn't bought the rights to the name - I wonder when he found out (he must have gone ballistic). It seems counterintuitive to reengineer the Seraph (in VW's case, Arnage) rather than build a new car off an A8 or Phaeton platform.
Oh how much have I enjoyed this video! Thanks again, it's always a huge pleasure to view them. I'm fully aware of the battles between Chassis Development, Forward Engineering and Design departments in the early stages of a project development, to make sure that once in production, the car will give the eye a correct stance, a perfect appearence of standing on its feet with perfect balance between its corners, and with all the four wheels filling the wheel arches in a pleasant way to the eyes. But of course, in the early 80's things should be fairly different and more difficult! On another subject, regarding the visit of Dr.Pïech to Crewe, I can imagine the stress of having to give bad news to him ... something similar seems to have happened a decade before, when a chief engineer at Porsche had to inform him that the 917's modified by John Wyer (917 K from "Kurzheck"-short tail), although having effectively more drag that the standard ones, designed under the guidelines of Dr.Pïech himself, those were undoubtedly quicker!
Hello Antoni how are you doing 😊
I notice the paint on the bonnet has swirly scratches on it. Needs a good polish. I used to work with a guy who had worked for Rolls as an electrical engineer. He convinced management that the Silver Shadow battery wasn’t big enough and persuaded them to let him have one on test for a year to assess it. Another great video thanks.
Iain, a fabulous insight to the car and brand. I can only endorse all of the previous comments - fascinating. If I may, between 1984-87 I was a young police officer based in Crewe. Part of my foot beat ( yes foot patrol) was the RR Factory. I never got beyond the security hut with a brew but fabulous view of all the cars going out on road test prior to delivery. I got to chat with a test driver, all hand picked who explained that most cars would have around 80 miles on the clock. Due to them being hand built they were all very different, with their issues yet perfect once they went out for delivery. Masking tape around the steering wheel to write notes on to remind each test driver of issues. Final wash a polish and it’s new wheels fitted, test ones removed - great. I would add that your channel and Harry’s Garage make great viewing, far better than the BBC these days - thank you, Mike.
A fascinating glimpse into the background of Camargue, however Mr Tyrell’s comment about it being inspired by the Fiat 130 is actually incorrect. Paolo Martin’s design for Camargue was already in place in 1969, and I have dated copies of the drawings, so I’m wondering where the story about David Plastow glancing out of his office window to the car park came from.
That’s interesting you say that because the Fiat 130 was first revealed at the Geneva motor show in 1971 and very shortly after that Paolo Martin left Pininfarina. So I can’t imagine it was after that with Camargue first appearing in 1975. There wouldn’t have been enough time. What a shame this fact is wrong.
A very enjoyable production from start to finish.
The interview was very good and interesting.
I've never seen a Camargue in the flesh. I always liked them, I tend to like big coupes, from Nissan Leppard to the Camargue. I never was aware of the Fiat influence, but now its obvious! I loved the comparison shots between the Fiat and Rolls Royce.
Top stuff.
I first saw one when I was 8 or 9 years old as it moved slowly along in London traffic. I was so awestruck seeing one if the flesh, I ran along to keep up with it and ran straight into a lamp post. Spent the night in Roehampton hospital under observation for concussion. Camargues and Oscar India Astons can still hospitalise me in the same way to this very day.
03:38 I do not believe that the 130 sedan was a catastrophe design-wise. Actually it was a quite beautifil car. It was the layout of engine, what made it a second choice.
I’m with you . The coupe had a certain amount of class. But in a Elvis sort of way.
The saloon by contrast was favored by the Pope
Nothing whatsoever wrong with the engine. If you think the saloon looked OK, take a look at the sensational 4 door coupe Pininfarina built.
It's a decent and thoroughly acceptable saloon for the era, I agree it was a bit of a harsh comment
As a Police traffic patrol officer in Staffordshire i recall the day we stopped a new never before seen Rolls Royce which was south bound on the M6 just north of Keele services. Registered RR 1 it was a Camargue, with two crew who we chatted with who informed us it would cost £33,000. They gave us some RR promotional photos. As a bobby on £120 a month i only ever owned the photos. A beautiful car.
Thank you, Iain. I never realized it was the Fiat 130 that was the inspiration for the Camargue. I always thought it was Lady Penelope's Rolls Royce! Seriously, you have altered my perception of these cars. Thanks for your insights.
It's really wonderful, Mr. Tyrrel, to be able to watch you tune up all those classic cars from the '50s, '60s, '70s y '80s, which I've seen in all your videos. He teaches us with his enormous wisdom, with his knowledge and his great dedication, to all of us who are lovers of classic cars. Seeing that he is a true expert in the field, I took the audacity to ask him, what SAE viscosity grade is the best for the engines of those classic cars? And is it better to use synthetic or mineral oils for them? Here in Uruguay, mechanics recommend using mineral oils in the engines of all cars prior to the 1980s. I don't want to get you into an argument with oil companies, or tribology engineers, who suggest certain types of oils, but many mechanics recommend others. I know it's a never ending discussion. Thank you in advance for showing us all those wonderful cars and your teacher work. Go ahead and thank you.
Your videos are pretty much the only ones I don’t run at 1.25 or 1.5 times regular speed. Your voice is insanely soothing and engaging in a non-intrusive way. I’m absolutely sure you could have a second career as a voice-over actor!
I’ve always been fascinated in the very rare and forgotten Camargue!
Is the car missing the left hand side headlamp wipers? If so, It is a shame, and I do hope you find a replacement soon.
Pete is a lovely man, very interesting to hear his stories first hand. Bring him more often, please.
In my humble opinion, your best video yet, Ian. Partly because of the incredibly engaging interview with Pete Aston, but maybe also because of my own memories of the Carmague. Terence Lennon, owner of the St Helens supermarket chain “Lennons”, was also the owner of one of the first Camargues, I think. I have a fond memory of being in the front seat of the car, being driven by him on the Rainford by-pass with my glamorous mother and aunt in the back. In Terry’s signature style, they were sharing a bottle of Dom Perignon! What a car, what a man! For a car mad teenager in the mid-seventies, it was a memory that has never left me. I remember it every time I drive my own 82 XJ6 and can identify with the experience Ian describes of driving this lovely “waft able” car. Thanks Ian.
As usual, really interesting and informative. I remember being a passenger in one when they were relatively new and it was a fabulous place to be, the dashboard was just so unique !
So very interesting , from beginning to end .
For a short while, I could almost imagine what it was like to be amongst those select few , who were able to live that dream , to drive that car .
The Rolls Royce craftsman/ engineer was also a joy to behold .
Spilling the beans , so to speak , on what was involved in producing these thoroughbreds of the road .
Dare I say ' from the horse's mouth '.
However , no disrespect intended !!!
Excellent resume of the Camargue! Remember going to see one at the RR agent Northampton in 75, the size of it stuck in my memory!
Hello Stanley how are you doing 😊
Probably my favourite car, ever. They are just stunning in the flesh. They must have the steel wheels and chrome hubcaps though.
I hated it A LOT...until you've made a video and made me love it. That's how good you are!
Love it. You're at the bus stop and the normal route bus is waiting, but you let it go by and wait for the express. You get to the last stop and the normal route bus is right behind you. Never fails.
Many similarities with the Ferrari 365/400/412 range as well - which had its debut in 1972. Also styled by Pininfarina.
I was always fascinated by this car for a slightly blurring picture on supercar top trumps, thanks for this
Fascinating episode. The Fiat 130 coupe comparison and that interior will now make me forever think of it as the Fiat Carmargue. Great episode. Top quality production.
Once we hear, we go back 30 years, there's a seismic shift in expectation. And that's delivered in abundance and beyond. Many thanks for this treat.
Impossible not to love Iain and his videos
That lovely SOLEX carburetor was also used on the 1975 Mercedes Benz 280 / S M110 Sedan & Coupe. I spent many hours adjusting the secondary opening setting using special weighted tool. Combined with Clayton in floor Dynomometer to test my work. Rewarding maintenance work. Amazingly poor performance when wrong, almost exciting when operating properly. I also Dyno tested a client's Camarque before and after it had US No-Lead emission exhaust vs Euro leaded fuel system exhaust changed everytime this African Diplomat shipped the car overseas and back to Greenwich, Connecticut. We were a Rolls dealer at my MB dealer, but Rolls corporate wouldn't quote me Horse Power readings so I had to come up with my own using the Dyno. Exciting times for this young Star Technician used to getting all sorts of Dyno test specifications from Mercedes. The Camarque was an exciting car compared to the stodgy Clouds. Iain, thank you again for another great video highlighting cars from my past 🇬🇧👍
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I love the large powerful 2-door cars that were so popular here in the US from the late '60s through mid '70s. Cars like the Continental Mark IV, Riviera, Toronado, were pure excess, the end of an era. I must admit not being aware of the Camargue, but it fits nicely into that same automotive cliché.
My uncle bought a new one of these when I was a kid, it felt other worldly being driven around in it at that age. In the late eighties (my late twenties) I went to view a house, not far from where I was living, and the owner was a rock star (who I won’t mention) and he had one as a daily driver … I finally discovered where the loud noise came from that regularly drove past my house for months, it was this Camargue with hole in the exhaust! I’ve since owned a few RR and Bentley cars, starting with a Shadow II not long after this, which was both glorious and troublesome in equal measure. Turbo R for me was probably my favourite, keep thinking about getting one for the weekends lately, although current crazy thinking is to get a Corniche convertible as a daily driver before the very idea is outlawed!
I remember the launch - I think the launch price was £29K but with 70s inflation that quickly increased. The Sun did a double page spread on 'The world's most expensive car' - a talking point was the Climate Control that would keep the inside temp constant on a drive from the North Pole to the Sahara - I think my Toyota will do that today....lol . 47 years on and I don't think I've ever seen one on the road. Thanks Iain for great content.
Yes , I too remember the launch, I thought they were £30k but well recall columnist Marge Proops saying that £30K was ' an obscene amount of money ' !
@@Roger.Coleman1949 project farm we are going to test that comes in to my head reading your comment!
The Bonham's description for the last they sold (£30k) sums it up for me: "probably the love child of an Aston Martin Lagonda and Lady Penelope’s FAB 1." There are a host for sale currently - at 456 money - and having looked, you just wouldn't. But thanks for the intro, Ian.
That is a beautiful door handle. Speaks volumes about the car as it is the first thing people come in contact with as they get in and drive it.
I was polishing the grille on my Rolls-Royce when listening to this. Fascinating stuff.
A Tyrrell workshop episode is like an article in Octane magazine, surprisingly excellent!
Wonderful video. I would love to hear more from Pete Aston. His insights into the whole process of car manufacture were fabulous - and his particular insight into these fantastic cars is great to hear and important to document.
if i had half as much knowleadge as these two by the time i pass, i will be happy. thank you both for sharing your time with us. Truly grateful.
Ian, Thanks for the fantastic review. You are the Best! Learned so much about a car I always disliked. As a Cloud & Turbo RL owner & a Rolls-Royce & Bentley owner for over 46 years this car never excited me due to as you mentioned the "stance".Pete Aston was such a great fund of Knowledge. Your final reveal of the outside door handles made me laugh & almost made me want one. Cheers from Canada.
Amazing and astounding insights already - and only 5 minutes into the vid. Splendid as always!
Excellent video. I love to see interviews with engineers from the time!
Super story behind the story if you like, digging deep, finding lost facts and stories giving us chaps a true understanding of what went on in the design and production process is just invaluable. Thank you Iain, your channel is a gem.
Iain, that is the best video yet. Passionate and informative with a great guru to provide background. Excellent.
I see Harry's V12 Coupe in the background - is it in for custom tuning?
Also, I thought you were going to say that was a Rochester Quadrajet carb on the Carmague. Looks very similar.
That's a great spot if right - well-hidden by the camera angles and edit!
I was very intrigued, when I saw this car coming out back then. Today, I find it stunningly beautiful. And who would have thought, it was inspired by a Fiat??! Amazing story and car!
29:00 (Jet flies over) Lain: "It doesn't make quite as much power as the vehicle we hear in the background.." as he casually gestures into the air. Brilliant improv!
I always loved the Carmargue - no Marmite needed.
Is this technically the best car channel on UA-cam? Maybe not the most entertaining as far as action and loud music, but just objectively the best? The level of access we have and the quality of the knowledge being passed along is just surreal to me. There is nothing else even close, and if there is, someone please tell me.
This is a wonderful video for anybody who wanted to find out more about the Camargue story. I have for many years been intrigued about the Rolls Royce era of this rare classic and I always wondered whether Rolls will take on the challenge of reviving the Camargue concept in their current model range? I have a real love of the rectangular squared away shape of all of its surfaces, the beautiful dash which Tyrrell pointed out and for me, I’m crazy about the rear design because it’s so unique to Rolls Royce. Those rear lights and the boot design, continues the squared rectangular design theme to its conclusion. A masterpiece.
I guess Thatcher's Britain helped many new owners lease cars like this? Surely, it's better taste than the then default Porsche 911 turbo?
Finally they are growing on me... comedian Carol Burnett has owned her RR Camargue for over 40 years! Another FANTASTIC video...Thank You!
Well, this most certainly has been another gloss of delight again. Actually, I’ve never been able to pin down exactly the reasons why this specific exterior design has always been quite disquieting for my eyes as well. However, yes indeed, the smallest of utter details can enhance or disturb the balance of an entire picture profoundly in such a way that anything slightly off in the smallest can damage its appeal. The wheels and how it sits on them had not crossed my mind on this one. But yes, you have exactly identified pretty much the size of the matter. For some reason as well, the rather boxy exterior design wasn’t as refined as the Silver Shadow and Corniche perhaps. In terms of coherent elegant trim lines all around the car, something was off there additionally I think. The Camargue was quite a mixed bag in RR's line-up I should say. RR then were of course crafted cars, not mass production in where the smallest of niggling details in manufactutring are to gain imperative extra efficiency. Quite the difference. Thank you so much for sharing the actual insights from first hand. And thank you for having Pete Aston to share some fascinating insights.
You seem to have more knowledge of these cars than one can get from watching videos like this one.
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@@Conservator. Oh well, this is most flattering, however from engineering points of view, deep insights and stories, Tyrrell's channel for me is an eye opener as well, very much so. Mostly I am aesthetics oriented and well into classic cars, but matters on engineering and deep networks at the very top such as Tyrrell's is best learnt here. Big company politics and how things might float internally at the top is something I have experienced and can actually relate to. It's not for the faint hearted to say the least. Of course Piëch and the German way was being mentioned, and I think that Mr. Aston had to be quite delicate. I can imagine his utter shock at the time a bit, lol.
@@lindaoffenbach Reading your comments put a smile on my face. 😉
I was brought up in a village in Lanarkshire, Scotland in the 1970's where there happened to be a FIAT dealership. I remember that Pininfarina coupe being there and also Graham Hill unveiling the Mirafiori!
Wonderful Ian. I always liked this car for the outrageous price compared to anything else back then but like you I am only now appreaciating more the look.
I remember seeing one in 1980 painted in a lovely Olive green paint with a beautiful dark green interior and the wood had a lovely warm light sherry colour to the stain. Still for me the best colour combination I have seen for this model. When I lived in Vancouver there was an old chap who owned a white one with red leather but it was a very tired example and looked a bit shabby, white is not a good colour for this car.
Loved the door handle snippet at the end Iain. Thats why we are here!
I love the design, reminds me of the Fiat 130 Coupe, Lancia Gamma Coupe, Ferrari 365/400 and even the Peugeot 604 - all PF designed cars obviously
Wonderful presentation and review of a truly unique Rolls Royce. Thanks for this wonderful segment.
Hello Paul how are you doing 😊
I think the Camargue missed the styling mark that the Fiat 130 hit, it's a nearly car. Beautifully built and maybe coming into its own (like the early XJS etc). It has 'something' but i'm not sure what 😁😁 Great film Iain as always. I would love to have a wander around your garage.
I have been close I we do supply clients where you are based. 👍
The scuttle is too high on the RR. They had to use the Silver Shadow platform, and you really need to have a lower beltline on a coupe for the lines to work.