Faxon Q&A: Barrel Manufacturing, Nitride vs Chrome lining and more!

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  • Опубліковано 4 бер 2017
  • We speak with Nathanial from Faxon regarding barrels, barrel manufacturing, chrome lining versus nitride and more.
    If you're interested in learning what really is going on with rifle barrels, then this is the video for you!
    1:20
    Difference between chrome lining and nitride treatment.
    3:40
    High Power and chrome lined barrels being “less accurate”?
    Stainless barrels for accuracy, accepting greater wear and tear.
    History of chrome lining basics.
    Nitride is not a lining, it’s a treatment.
    6:50
    When did the nitride process come to the market?
    8:00
    Chrome lining still makes more sense for machineguns.
    9:10
    The ACR took an unfair hit from the consumer base for not having a chrome lined barrel?
    11:05
    Nitride process is beneficial to other components besides just the barrel.
    12:21
    Is this related to stellite? The difficulty of manufacturing a stellite enhanced barrel.
    13:50
    What is QPQ, etc?
    15:10
    Nitride process is very similar to the older 1800’s process of case hardening.
    What is case hardening?
    16:05
    How deep does the nitride process penetrate into the steel? Case hardening is usually only a superficial layer, for example.
    17:20
    Nitride for military arms?
    18:15
    Extreme example of high velocity projectiles, is that better with chrome or nitride?
    19:44
    Stainless steel that’s used for barrels isn’t really the “stainless steel” we think it is.
    Why are stainless barrels considered more accurate?
    20:54
    Discussion about different methods of rifling a barrel.
    27:10
    Cold Hammer Forging invented by Germans in WW2 to accelerate barrel manufacturing.
    USA used cut rifling primarily during WW2 and those machines are still being used today.
    27:45
    What is cut rifling?
    29:00
    Replacing a cutting bit for cut rifling, what about button rifling?
    Deep dive into button rifling process.
    29:50
    Discussion about progressive twist rifling.
    31:41
    Accuracy then and now, what is acceptable?
    34:05
    Original M16 pencil barrels, how were they manufactured?
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 364

  • @FaxonFirearmsOfficial
    @FaxonFirearmsOfficial 7 років тому +424

    Thanks for having us on! look forward to future installments.

    • @DFWWARPIGS
      @DFWWARPIGS 7 років тому +5

      Faxon Firearms ..thanks for the info...I got 3 of your barrels and look forward to getting a few more...

    • @ILicence
      @ILicence 7 років тому +4

      Lots of good info here, Faxon. THANK YOU! After this I will definitely be looking into your barrels for future builds.

    • @amaya1000rr
      @amaya1000rr 7 років тому +3

      Faxon Firearms - I couldn't be happier with my 18" GUNNER profile Faxon barrel. I will definately be considering other Faxon barrels for future builds. The 14.5" pencil barrel with the pinned muzzle brake is really interesting. I really appreciate a company that produces inovative & original products.

    • @clazy8
      @clazy8 7 років тому +5

      great interview

    • @ILicence
      @ILicence 7 років тому

      Fui Gebhardt Ha ha!

  • @grunt167
    @grunt167 7 років тому +69

    Wow, I just learned way more about barrels in past hour than in my previous decades of shooting. Thanks!!!

  • @mushroomcloud1
    @mushroomcloud1 5 років тому +48

    As a materials engineer, I can vouch that the information provided is spot on.

  • @unicornwithnohorn
    @unicornwithnohorn 7 років тому +37

    As far as I can tell, you guys are the only guys doing these types of interviews. Considering they are so good, I would say you have found a great series to compliment your "field tests"

  • @ljllucky62
    @ljllucky62 7 років тому +45

    I am loving these longer format very technical peices and enjoying hearing from people in gun design and manufacturing.

  • @bobgods66
    @bobgods66 7 років тому +24

    When I ordered my upper I had to do a ton of digging on Melonite (nitride) vs chrome and I found a lot of incorrect tribal knowledge, assumptions because it was new and cheaper, and lack of data. I'm glad I went with a more accurate, longer lasting, and less expensive Melonite barrel. I'm also glad we are getting videos like this, this would have been a godsend a year ago.

  • @danielwatters1203
    @danielwatters1203 7 років тому +42

    FYI: One of the first military oriented firearms to use a nitrided barrel was the Stoner 63. During the Ichord Hearings, Gene Stoner pointed out that they had resorted to nitriding because no one had yet developed a satisfactory method for chrome plating a 0.22 caliber bore.
    The following link will take you to the 1968 report "Materials for Small-Arms Gun Barrels." The report was assembled by the Defense Metals Information Center on behalf of the USAF. The USAF was particularly concerned with reducing the bore erosion of high velocity/high-rate of fire machineguns and automatic cannon. So the authors assembled an overview of all of the methods and materials available for making more durable barrels. On Page 16, they judge nitriding as being inferior to chromium plating. However, they note that chrome-plating over a nitrided bore would be better than chrome alone. That said, the amount of the improvement would not justify the added processing. Also of note are some of the exotic alternatives being considered as potential replacements for Stellite 21 liners and chrome-plating. (BTW: Stellite 21 is a Cobalt-based alloy, not Nickel.)
    www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/500112.pdf
    Other reports on DTIC cover some of the experiments in which the uber-liners and platings were tested in barrels fitted to M60 and MG3 machineguns. However, instead of 7.62mm NATO, the test barrels were chambered for .220 Swift and later .22/30-06. These cartridges were meant as a scale test for the 25mm GAU-7 cannon, which was aiming for a muzzle velocity of ~4,000 fps.
    There is one more method for rifling a barrel, and it is particularly well suited for materials like Stellite and its alternatives. That would be Electrochemical Machining (ECM). I know that FN has played with making full-length liners by first "drilling" the bore via EDM, and then rifling it via ECM.

    • @Tunkkis
      @Tunkkis 4 роки тому +9

      Funny you should mention ECM rifling three years ago. Nowadays with Jeff Rodriguez and Deterrence Dispensed and many others advancing homemade firearms tech, ECM rifling has been brought slightly more into mainstream hobbyist builder awareness via the Liberator-12K and FGC-9. Real interesting stuff.

    • @that_escalated_quickly2720
      @that_escalated_quickly2720 3 роки тому +1

      What's EDM?

    • @danielwatters1203
      @danielwatters1203 3 роки тому +4

      @@that_escalated_quickly2720 - Electrical Discharge Machining

  • @brandon3883
    @brandon3883 7 років тому +22

    15:40 the bromance has reached the "we finish each others sentences" level. :D

  • @prairiepatriot2162
    @prairiepatriot2162 2 роки тому +3

    Thank you all for taking the time to dive deeper into this level of detail, we need far more videos like this. My only complaint about this video is that it had to end and couldn't dive even deeper into the respective subjects covered.
    When I buy certain things, especially an AR, I'm not satisfied with one person's recommendations, I want to know advantages and disadvantages of each option so that I can make informed decisions based on my needs. This helps a lot, thank you.

  • @warrenphilips8441
    @warrenphilips8441 7 років тому +9

    Thank you for really exploring this topic. Most gun info sources either don't respect their customers enough to go into this level of detail or they are withholding, boarderline deceving.

  • @unicornwithnohorn
    @unicornwithnohorn 7 років тому +4

    I absolutely love these interviews with gun manufacturers and designers. Sooo interesting and informative.

  • @Lindeman08
    @Lindeman08 2 роки тому +2

    Rewatching this Q&A series with Faxon once again. Extremely informative and interesting.

  • @buck19x87
    @buck19x87 7 років тому +1

    Man this is an awesome series of videos..... Usually you have to look in several places/videos to get a comprehensive idea behind modern manufacturing but it's pretty much all right here. You guys did an excellent job as well putting this into layman's terms!

  • @hk93shooter
    @hk93shooter 2 роки тому +1

    i just learned more about barrels in 30 min than i thought i knew/learned in the last 20 years. thank you. and faxon barrels have a new life time customer.

  • @dudas91
    @dudas91 7 років тому +4

    The recent Q&A videos with Hudson Mnfg., HMG, and now Faxon are some of the best content on your channel. Please do more!

  • @Paulie771
    @Paulie771 7 років тому +1

    Love these sorts of videos giving a peek at the inside of the industry. Please keep the coming!

  • @ryanjohnson6982
    @ryanjohnson6982 2 роки тому +4

    I really like this discussion and it makes all the data on barrel tech more digestible. Ordered myself a pencil barrel, very excited to build.

  • @VxNemesis
    @VxNemesis 7 років тому +6

    We tested stellite barrels for the MG51 when we had new means of production to replace older designs. The good was that it fired reliably and accurately at a cherry red. The bad was the auto-ignition and the broken cases at that temperature. And 20 000 usd per barrel was what prevented us from adopting it.....

  • @BigMcDn
    @BigMcDn 7 років тому +1

    Please do more of these types of videos! I love the content! Unlike my day job as an engineer, this stuff gets the inner engineer in me excited and passionate again.

  • @kyleriley6027
    @kyleriley6027 3 роки тому +3

    late to the party but soooo happy you posted this series as I love to Nerd out on things like this. Great series and Thanks big time for Faxon stepping up and sharing so much of his thoughts.

  • @Chayonray
    @Chayonray 7 років тому +3

    As a Mechanical Engineer, what a fascinating interview! Thanks to all three of you gentlemen for asking intelligent initial questions, simple easy to understand explanations to the questions and great confirmation questions and explanations to them. I have become very interesting in Faxon barrels going forward as a result.

  • @jasonmpd2946
    @jasonmpd2946 6 років тому +1

    Thank you for this Q&A series. This far, far exceeds the quality of purely anecdotal videos with more showmanship than education. Good stuff!

  • @boss350z5
    @boss350z5 7 років тому +1

    these info series you guys are doing are AWESOME... this one and the one regarding the new stg 44 are fabulous. so much INFO!

  • @FtLauderDaniel
    @FtLauderDaniel 7 років тому +1

    Watching this answered so many of my barrel questions in one place! Thank you so much!

  • @Marcus_972
    @Marcus_972 7 років тому +5

    Please do more of these, absolutely fantastic video.

  • @Bluebirdcleaning
    @Bluebirdcleaning 7 років тому +2

    Excellent video with perfect timing since I am barrel shopping. The video answered a lot of my questions.

  • @siestatime4638
    @siestatime4638 7 років тому +1

    Very cool! Many thanks to all three of you; I'm definitely going to have to go over this again. And again. And probably again. So much knowledge, so little brain.

  • @Ergilion
    @Ergilion 7 років тому +15

    This is really cool! I absolutely love these kind of videos! Keep it up. It's amazing. Nobody else does this.

    • @InrangeTv
      @InrangeTv  7 років тому +7

      More coming. ~Karl

  • @ssspencerjr
    @ssspencerjr 7 років тому +1

    Ian/Karl, this technical stuff is awesome. We need more stuff like this. You guys rock!

  • @trued2010
    @trued2010 7 років тому +1

    Thank you both InRange and Nathan for putting out all of this info; and making clear many of the misconceptions of chrome-lined vs. nitride treated barrels, as well as some of the other parts of the barrel making process. Hopefully this will benefit a lot of people making firearm purchases soon or in the near future.

  • @stevewatson24
    @stevewatson24 7 років тому +3

    these Q&As are amazing. please keep them going!

  • @dave4737
    @dave4737 7 років тому +1

    Really enjoyed that. Being a hunter and Mechanical fitter and a boilermaker welder. Made very good sense. Cheers.

  • @Quality_Guru
    @Quality_Guru 5 років тому +3

    Excellent Video - loved all of the data and perspectives. I would love to see the next section on barrel profiles.

  • @ALegitimateYoutuber
    @ALegitimateYoutuber 7 років тому +4

    A part 2 would be great, because there is so much more that can be talked about.

  • @caseyterrence1606
    @caseyterrence1606 7 років тому +1

    thank you for this informative video. I hope you continue to do produce and share more of these q&a type videos.

  • @MrRoboskippy
    @MrRoboskippy 7 років тому +3

    I'm really liking these q&a sessions with industry. I look forward to more.

  • @palehorseone
    @palehorseone 7 років тому +1

    Fantastic overview. Thank you Faxon and Inrange.

  • @Ethnarches
    @Ethnarches 6 років тому +1

    What a great guy this Nathanial! Really interesting subject, I'll definitely check the next ones in this series as well.

  • @SomethingNewEveryDay
    @SomethingNewEveryDay 7 років тому +1

    That was a really enlightening video. I would love to see more like this in the future.

  • @BigDaddyGAO
    @BigDaddyGAO 7 років тому +2

    I love these Q&As. Great educational experience.

  • @adammfanning3654
    @adammfanning3654 7 років тому +1

    Excellent video on barrel making, coatings, rifling, stress. Really interesting info.

  • @mtodd4723
    @mtodd4723 7 років тому +1

    Thank all of you for this Q&A ! It was great !

  • @j45acp69
    @j45acp69 6 років тому +1

    finding a wealth of knowledge on your channel. Thanks for the great work guys!

  • @zukislumber
    @zukislumber 7 років тому +1

    Great interview. I'd love to hear more. Thanks to all for sharing.

  • @xih228
    @xih228 7 років тому +1

    absolutely FANTASTIC video, I love this stuff. Thanks guys! Really appreciate it.

  • @4g63mark
    @4g63mark 4 роки тому +1

    I'm really learning a lot from these videos. Thank you very much

  • @dgax65
    @dgax65 3 роки тому +1

    I just learned more about barrel manufacture than I had ever heard before. Thanks.

  • @billburns9260
    @billburns9260 7 років тому +1

    Awesome! & Thanks For The Reply! That Made My Day! You & Ian Are Two Of My Absolute Favorites!.. Have a Great Day & Vid Bless You Both!..-B.Burns

  • @jeremymcguire7069
    @jeremymcguire7069 4 роки тому +2

    That was utterly fascinating. Thanks guys

  • @Hunter-tz4do
    @Hunter-tz4do Рік тому

    This is exactly the kind of deep dive I've been looking for, and makes me feel even better about my Faxon barrel otw.

  • @ABCKorpi
    @ABCKorpi 7 років тому +1

    Great vid! I'm quite a material science and firearms buff but that shed a great deal of light on many questions that I didn't have an answer for as of yet.

  • @Sentmassen
    @Sentmassen 7 років тому +1

    This was very interesting, I look forward to a part 2.

  • @mavrikmavrik3032
    @mavrikmavrik3032 8 місяців тому

    Just found this video and it was great! I’m learning a lot about barrels now and that’s great too.

  • @timothythomas1626
    @timothythomas1626 6 років тому +1

    i LOVE STUFF LIKE THIS. i LIKE FACTS AND LOGIC WHEN PURCHASING PRODUCTS.

  • @A8vscRrabbit
    @A8vscRrabbit 7 років тому +1

    i think i watched this whole video mouth agape. i am going to have to watch this again to absorb 1/2 this info.
    thank you fellas

  • @tomacton6718
    @tomacton6718 6 років тому +1

    great information covering the barrel manufacturing process.

  • @zombiehunter2990
    @zombiehunter2990 7 років тому +2

    Love the tech Q&A,s you guys are doing lately.

  • @doctorwarpspeed8779
    @doctorwarpspeed8779 7 років тому +3

    Just another reason to love InRange!!!! Great episode, keep em coming.

  • @timbeatty11
    @timbeatty11 7 років тому +1

    Great video. I learned a lot. Keep it up and do more of these.

  • @drmaudio
    @drmaudio 7 років тому +2

    I would enjoy a lot more of this. I only understand at the concept level, but it is still very interesting.

  • @eturnerx
    @eturnerx 7 років тому +2

    These tech interviews are amazing.

  • @AlexanderBushi
    @AlexanderBushi 5 років тому +1

    Thanks, awesome discussion. Cheers.

  • @justinmitchell7115
    @justinmitchell7115 6 років тому +3

    Makes me appreciate my new nitride AR even more

  • @nathancombs11
    @nathancombs11 7 років тому +1

    thanks for this video please do more of this :) VERY informative

  • @ToddDavey
    @ToddDavey 7 років тому +40

    This is amazing, well done. I've just contributed to your Patreon account. I'd selfishly be interested in a discussion about gas port size/barrel length/dwell time.

    • @FaxonFirearmsOfficial
      @FaxonFirearmsOfficial 7 років тому +24

      Hans Schultz Oooo. That's a fun one!

    • @eisenkrieg553
      @eisenkrieg553 7 років тому +7

      Faxon Firearms I'd like to chime in with a desire to know more about polygonal rifling and traditional rifling and certainly of any other methods if they exist. Looking forward to another session.

    • @FaxonFirearmsOfficial
      @FaxonFirearmsOfficial 7 років тому +6

      We think that will be in the next installment.

  • @pescad0
    @pescad0 6 років тому

    Listening again & boosting my Spectrumosity

  • @phil5569
    @phil5569 2 роки тому +1

    Great video! I love nerding out on this stuff!!!!

  • @adamcb41
    @adamcb41 5 років тому +2

    Great stuff guys! Very helpful information. I’ve got a faxon barrel on the way👍🏻

  • @dfedon4
    @dfedon4 6 років тому +1

    Awesome content. Keep them coming. I learned a ton!!

  • @crunchysuperman
    @crunchysuperman 7 років тому +1

    Good stuff. I really like these industry q&a videos.

  • @jeremiahcollins6777
    @jeremiahcollins6777 7 років тому +1

    Thanks for this video. It answered a lot of questions I had.

  • @randomakerfilm
    @randomakerfilm 7 років тому +1

    love these videos! Hope to see more

  • @chadpenn99
    @chadpenn99 6 років тому +1

    Nathan, thanks for all the amazing information in these vids! And thanks to your wife for her patience letting us have you for an hour. ;)

  • @sd09gfh8sfgjmsf9yhkm
    @sd09gfh8sfgjmsf9yhkm 7 років тому +16

    I wish I had money for patreon, you have taught me so much.

  • @jljr23
    @jljr23 7 років тому +1

    Very informative and look forward to hearing part 2. Thanks guys!

  • @troy9477
    @troy9477 7 років тому +1

    This is fantastic. I love learning about metallurgy, maufacturing processes, and the how and why behind various things. The engineering and machinist viewpoint is extremely valuable. Kudos to Nathan for taking the time, and for his thorough and thoughtful explanations. Looking forward to the series. Any chance of inserting brief video clips of certain processes? If not from Faxon, maybe there is stuff in the public domain? Fantastic content. As soon as things level out i will be contributing on Patreon

  • @deknightcrafter8258
    @deknightcrafter8258 7 років тому +1

    Thank you guys so much for this, very useful information👍👍👍

  • @proudamericanrobman2829
    @proudamericanrobman2829 7 років тому +1

    great video! as some one how like to learn some of the sciency stuff that goes into firearms like this and for example the new stg44 build, i really like getting the info from the companys and not trying to weed out the good and bad info scattered throw forums, word of mouth, opinions and just the plain old interweb. i hope you keep it up with these companies and find other companies willing to add to your play list.

  • @dollarbillme
    @dollarbillme 7 років тому +1

    Great video. Hope to see more of this series. FYI loving my Faxon pencil stainless barrel.

  • @themadminuteman
    @themadminuteman 5 років тому +1

    I scored a free (lightly used) Faxon 10.5" pencil barrel for my Aero Precision build. Good to know more about the background of Faxon and barrel manufacturing in general. The heart of the rifle is the barrel, I'll see you in part 2!

  • @johnviera3884
    @johnviera3884 4 роки тому +1

    Spectacular. My Metallurgy fantasies are satisfied. For now.

  • @fitteritout3622
    @fitteritout3622 7 років тому +1

    Wow that was a great video that answered a lot of questions. 👍👍 great video

  • @captainquasar2973
    @captainquasar2973 7 років тому +1

    Such a good channel, I can't believe you guys don't have more subs by now!!!

  • @TheOlsonOutfit
    @TheOlsonOutfit 7 років тому +1

    I've been thinking of buying one of these. Thanks for the video!

  • @ruddyff
    @ruddyff 6 років тому +1

    As someone who has studied a lot of material science i find this whole discussion very interesting

  • @DorkasaurusfluffyRex
    @DorkasaurusfluffyRex 7 років тому +1

    Great video. A lot of useful information.

  • @boba9253
    @boba9253 2 роки тому +1

    This was a fantastic session, very informative and interesting!

    • @InrangeTv
      @InrangeTv  2 роки тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @chzzyg2698
    @chzzyg2698 7 років тому +1

    Crazy you guys happened to interview Faxon. I just ordered one of their barrels. Haven't installed it yet, but it looks well made. I got the nitride finish. Nitride, Melonite, QPQ, has been my new favorite treatment for the past year or so.

  • @528HemiRT
    @528HemiRT 5 років тому +1

    Yes, part 2. Please!

  • @thomas316
    @thomas316 7 років тому +7

    Actually the manufacturing and chemical processes are really interesting. In itself this could be a series no doubt.

  • @ayebraine
    @ayebraine 7 років тому +1

    So much information! Thanks!

  • @swamprat9018
    @swamprat9018 7 років тому +1

    Well I've been shooting for quite a while and I've seen the improvements over the years, and was amazed at how inexpensive MOA rifles have become, I'm breaking down and starting look for my first AR build and will check out Faxon for sure. Thank you for the information.

  • @JEMANF
    @JEMANF 7 років тому +1

    Love these faxon vids. Great info!

  • @aznhomig
    @aznhomig 7 років тому +1

    This is a damn interesting chat. Do more!

  • @zironemegeaz
    @zironemegeaz 7 років тому

    I loved this interview

  • @HB-kp6rl
    @HB-kp6rl 4 роки тому +1

    Waking the dead here but this video is amazing. The amount of information here is crazy

  • @carltruviso5081
    @carltruviso5081 3 роки тому +1

    awesome real information thank you guys .

  • @bradjohnson4787
    @bradjohnson4787 6 років тому +1

    Very good explanation!

  • @davestimmel9584
    @davestimmel9584 7 років тому

    Very, very good. Thanks!

  • @Boomeus
    @Boomeus 7 років тому +1

    Interesting stuff as always~