9:00 "The Greatest Technician That's Ever Lived" Seriously, good video man, thank you for encouraging people to price things fairly on eBay. It's honest people like you that break the cycles of inflated scalper prices. I'm pressing all the thumbs.
Jay, absolutely make more content like this. For the average PC builder this is far more relevant than a completely new build. Even when building a new platform I always reuse something such as the case, drives etc.
@@MrMOGHammer My power supply I believe dates back to 2011. It's still running strong powering my Ryzen 5700X and RTX 2080 Super. I'll need to retire it when I platform upgrade again, but for now I can't believe it's still working flawlessly.
Just bought a used 5600x and 6750XT for myself.. And before that a had a 2nd hand r9 390x, and before that dual r9 280x, and pretty much anything anything before that was 2nd hand.
Just got a 4060 (believe it's only $40 more than the used 3060 one you bought but new) and about to install a 7800x3d CPU. My computer was a potato so will be interesting what the new CPU can do to improve performance.
This was an awesome video. Kinda like watching a car restoration/upgrade show. I did something like this with my old Intel 4th Gen PC I keep in the living room. I think I spent like 250 total between a used CPU and RAM which were both big upgrades, and then a new 2tb nvme from Amazon as well. It was really fun tinkering with it and I very often use it when I don't want to be stuck in the office.
I think this is a great series because it helps demonstrate the value of older components. It also encourages problem solving and reducing e waste. You don’t need all the newest components to play games or run a PC. Showing the benchmarking is good too, because it demonstrates performance improvements, which validates the choices made.
Especially in this format, showing the results relative to the previous components installed, rather than on the test bench with other top of the range parts.
I think you should absolutely do more of these. I think it's interesting to see these upgrade pathways played out with tangible, tested results and a realistic take on how much it would cost. For most people trying to upgrade their system it's a hot mess of options and variables out there. It's hard to know what a person should even try to upgrade given the janky disparity between hardware generations.
Usually OEM pc's will have thier windows license tied to the motherboard. You can change anything you want, but as long as you keep the motherboard, windows will remain activated.
You can also transfer the key if you change the motherboard. Just record the key and bitlocker info before and call Microsoft to activate it on the new one
@@AstraeaAurorawhich is illegal in some countries. so, if you bought a license, in some countries you can use it on whatever pc you want and MS can't do shit about it
This would definitely be a series I would be very interested in watching. The "over time" being very relevant to current pressures, a lot of my friends just can't afford much currently but are stuck in dead end sandbridge era stuff, so this is very helpful..
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue If its a modern game.... it wont run. There's a lot of tech on newer games that dont exist on legacy hardware. Even now, if you dont have a 20-series GPU (or AMD equivalent) that supports mesh shaders - that 10-series GPU will simply not run a game that uses mesh shaders as more and more games start using it
The reason they are selling for that price is it is one of the only super small 3060's you can find. People are using them in tiny pc's which is where the demand for them comes from.
Small eBay tip for checking pricing trends: if you select "Advanced" to the right of the search bar, you can select "Completed Items" and it will show you all the expired/sold listings for a particular item. That way, you can see the selling/pricing history to get a better idea of an item's actual sold worth. The rtx 3060 is selling for around $200-230, depending on the size (believe it or not, the smaller ones tend to be more expensive, because that's what people use to upgrade SFF and other weird proprietary OEM builds), so that 3060 would have definitely sold immediately. Edit: Also note when selling on eBay, eBay takes about 10% off your selling price, so your actual net sales would've been closer to $265. Still, $130 for double performance is a damn good deal.
@@xBINARYGODx and aren't they taking Federal income tax out now? I know they were planning on a 19% default, then delayed it, but were supposed to have started it the beginning of this year (it's been a LONG while since I've sold on Ebay).
I have watched your content for a LONG time, and it has helped me in my PC builds over time to the fullest. I use your recommendations as a guide to buying parts, You have helped in programs to help keep the cooling temps in my case down, and have helped in the building of my computers for many years now. keep up the good work. I love this content due to the fact many of us do not have the funds to buy the latest and greatest parts on the market. so again thank you, you have saved me from buying parts that might have been faulty. So again thank you. if I have a problem I always go back to one of your videos and I can usually find the fix for that problem, so again you have helped me and saved me a TON of money. keep up the good work and don't listen to any haters, I love watching this content, So thank you again, and have a wonderful life
Absolutely EXCELLENT video Jay. Please do more of these upgrade videos as these are much more interesting than other reviewers just discussing new and usually, overpriced PC components.
I like these videos. Recently my step son wanted to build a PC for a close friend of his. So I donated my 2070Super that’s been on the shelf for a while. He took it to micro center and they used it to build a balanced machine that’s a HUGE improvement over what he was using.
2070 Super on the shelf for awhile? How many overpriced nonsensical upgrade paths you running? Even top line games haven't outrun that card. 4k is not the standard it's the enthusiast path and often done in all the wrongs ways. 98% of gamers are using 1080 or 2k, not even sane that 4000 series ever sold a unit as they offer nothing but a lighter wallet. Pushing 300fps on a screen that only shows 144 maybe 200 isn't not sane or practical.
@@animalyze7120 I’m running “nonsensical” upgrades for my CAD and video software that are VERY sensible. How about your figure out another way to control your jealousy, huh? There’s more to PCs than just gaming.
@@benkonczal4584 haters gonna hate I run a ASRock white taichi 7900 XTX with a 7800X3D on a X670E Steel dragon with corsair parts and a WD 4tb SSD with two 8tb hdd for video cameras. I wanna get into cad and other fun stuff this winter after i'm done upgrading to 9000 series cpu and hand me downing my cpu to my old lady. Her setup is semi jank with 7600X, ASRock PG A770 (very impressed with the A770 reviews sh!t on it too much imo.) On a B650E PG ITX. We both run cheap 32gb (2x16) team group cl30 6000 megatransfer ram though and run any game well on out monitors. I got a sweet deal on a 2k 180hz display for her as well $160 cdn
I did a similar move for my wife 2 months ago. Bought a cheap RX 6600 and sold/replaced a GTX 1060 3GB, as she was starting to tun into issues with her games, mostly Baldur's Gate. Net cost was $80 CAD ($55-60 USD) and it near tripled her performance
Before these grarphics card price inflations I used to replace my graphics card every year and it was a net $200 per year to get the highest end gpu every year. Pretty affordable. I'm not sure if this works anymore since the prices are so high and drop pretty hard. Although I bought ha 3090 and recently sold it for $200 more.
@@trsskater It works, but on average costs 500$, here is what you do, say you have 4090? Nvidia has their announcements in August and cards come 2-3 months later, so the moment they announce it you sell yours [keep some cheap 4060/4070 as backup card, hell when i sold 1080Ti to get 2080Ti i used 1030lol and was fine for windows]. The best if you keep the OG box and if it comes with any accessories, you never use them, keep them new like that 12pin cable, just buy one online, its good for the sale when its all look like new in a box [more money for you]
I think these videos are so much better for the average entry-level user, as they can guide them into the "enthusiast" level much smoother than the "look at the shiny brand new thing that just came out." We all like that content as well, but this right here, this is gold. I would have killed to find this sort of information and ideas when I first got into PC's not too long ago. It's not just cost that is a barrier for entry into PC gaming, it's knowledge. And a lot of users will simply champion whatever they have in their system, because that's what they have direct experience with (+xp to them for that) but not necessarily always guide others into newer/better stuff. This is Gold, guys. Love it. 💯
JayZ, this panel you took out on 10:45 to install 120mm fan has removable square plates, just remove them and you will have a specialized bracket for 120mm fan, because it is what it for.
Hey there Jay. I bought a an Omen 30L back when folks were picking them up just for the GPUs and then scraping the carcass for next to nothing. Anyway, I bought one GPULess and waited for a GPU to drop in. Long story short, HP has a water cooler / 120 AIO that worked OK cooling the 5800x that mine came with. I wonder what an OEM AIO would run as an option. Anyway. It’s fun to see you custom build folks see want can be done with prebuilts. It’s one of my favorite hobbies. You should try an HP 15L. It’s highly proprietary, but there’s a lot of room for upgrades even working within its limitations. Anyway. Glad to see you are having fun. Cheers AGW
Love the budget build videos recently. It's fun making bawl's out systems, but it's as much fun and more practical to see lower cost reviews and build/upgrade ideas.
I bought that exact same Omen from BestBuy in 2020 going from Xbox to PC. It didn't take me long to gut it, upgrade it, to only sell it to build my own. Now I'm rocking the 14700 & 4070S. That PC ignited my passion again. Love the videos, Jay! Keep em coming!
Loving these videos, Jay! Building a PC from scratch is always fun, but overcoming the challenges that come with upgrading OEM systems is so much more satisfying!
What I want to see is Jay keeps talking the talk about AMD being better value in his reviews but then uses Nvidia in all his builds, I would love to see him actually use AMD.
YES! This is nearly exactly what I suggested you do with this system. I don't know if you even saw my comment in the sea of others, but thank you for content like this that will help countless budget gamers for years to come. Please keep videos like this coming. Showing regular ppl how easy it is to bargain hunt and make major upgrades for not a lot of money is exactly what I hoped you would do.
I am SO happy you did this video!!! I've been "trading up" on PC components for quite some time. Started out with an Intel 4th Gen off-lease pre-built in 2016 and in December just finished a 9th Gen 9900K custom system for a grand total of about $300 (net) all by buying and selling parts to get to where I am now. It can be done. It takes time and patience. This was an awesome video. Well done as always Jay! You always seem to be right on top of things!
Thanks, Jay. Fascinating video. 👍👍. My last 2 GPUs have been used. I love reusing parts. Until a few months ago, I used a Q6600 system as a media centre for streaming on my TV in the living room. The CPU and motherboard wouldn't die! I recently upgraded this PC to a 6th gen i7 system and splurged on a new Corsair 5000D Air flow case (total overkill- but pretty nice looking). I am using some parts from the old system, including a GTX 750, SSD and HDD; the rest of the parts I had lying around from other builds. It runs Windows 11 and is really perfect for streaming music and video. I have a feeling that the GPU is the next thing to die. In a way, I am looking forward to the hunt for a used one. Thanks again for showing that you don't need new hardware all the time and with some clever upgrades, you can significantly boost the overall performance of your current setup.
Keep stuff like this up, sir. You’ve got a great presentation style and I know these videos help people more than you may realize. While I’ve been bitten by the ITX MINI-PC bug, your “how to build a computer” video is what helped me see that I really could build my own. Great stuff! Keep up the good work!
I wish there were more relatable videos on UA-cam like this. This is great for most of us who are just scraping by and hustling for small but very welocome gains. I hope you keep doing some videos like this, they're very helpful and encouraging.
Thank you guys for videos like this! I mostly watch because how much fun PC building is, so imo there's no need for the most expensive components (even if that stuff is fun to watch to sometimes). I'm planning a build for my brother with some of my old parts and this video gave me some inspiration and ideas so thank you!
This video is spot on. Just realized that after having my pc starting to make random cut outs after years without maintenance, that my components is getting older. Started to make me wonder which parts is "salvageable" and only needs a brush up and which is the ones that I should replace. Great vid! - Keep them coming :D
I like that Jay said, "I know what I'm doing," and then made a bunch of mistakes. He could've edited those out but chose not to. I really appreciate that. Even people who know what they're doing screw up sometimes.
Great video, im in a prosess of upgrading my own system and getting shocked by the prices in norway right now. So found this "series" real interesseting, keep it up! :)
I like these upgrade videos as well. This is real world, real life videos that cater to people who don't want nor don't need a new computer but want to give a second life to a system on a budget. Kudos to you!
Definitely do more of this kind of content. It'll help a lot of people getting into PC gaming. It would also help showing the "issues" these machines can have in the bios screens as well.
I love that someone is showing how it is possible to cobble together a decent gaming computer on a budget, but something you might have overlooked is Ebay's fees. Just because you listed the parts for what you did does not mean you will end up with that in hand at the end. I usually subtract 20% for a ballpark of how much you might end up with.
well it also shows the 5700g is the better choice even if you struggle on it's builtin igpu till you can afford a gpu because the cpu kicks ass as a cpu alone
Definitely continue with this “series” of getting budget used pcs and upgrading them. Definitely enjoy watching yall compare what you can get for the old parts vs how much the news one cost.
Low end and mid end builds are great idea to cover, not many people do, yet its obviously the most realistic option for a lot of people. Good work team.
I am not even looking for an upgrade but this was so fun to watch. Just from an engineering standpoint, sometimes it's cool to see how you can play around with different options/parameters and get the most bang for your buck. Great Video Jay!
20:39 i think so too. everyone can say buy the best you can afford but what actually is "the best" not only depends on the usage, but the approach you want to use aswell
"The best you can afford" sounds like terrible advice. XD Who told you that? Things need to be catered to what you plan to use your PC for. "The best" would not fit most users.
This is the kind of videos we need more of TBH. And especially showing gaming benchmarks to prove that you dont need to spend a lot of money for a gaming rig. Especially helpful for people on an extreme budget. I've always bought high-end parts, because I can afford it, however after watching LTT and now Jay do these videos - I am motivated to do such a build myself.
These are my favorite kind of tech video aside from retro content... showcasing how to build a balanced system that's good for most things. Definitely keep this series going. Is it nice seeing all the new shiny? Sure. Is it nice having all the new shiny? Definitely. But most of us are not doing high-end workstation/server computing at home, or gaming on multiple 4k monitors. Even the Steam Hardware Survey still lists the GTX 1650 as the second-most popular graphics card.
this little series was awesome, much more informative for the average joe who doesn't have 2-3 grand to blow on a high end PC, and more information on how to deal shop a little bit as well when it comes to second hand purchasing too. On behalf of everyone, Thanks Jay!
Hi Jay and team. Love these videos that you have been posting to the masses. I am happy that you remember where your main group of viewers probably have for their daily driver as their systems. Much respect! 🙂
Jay, I really enjoyed this video. I've fixed up used (and so-called broken, per Geek Squad) PCs for years, as well as building new systems from scratch. It's a challenge to see if I could bump up additional performance from an older used PC, and pass them on to my sons and nephews. This video showed a cost effective way to 'soup up' a so-so HP Omen to make it a good gamer system. So - yeah, you get my vote for any kind of video like this, 'cause we're all wanting to save some $$ on our builds. A suggestion: many of the OEM/store bought systems have decent components, but have awful cooling. I've modded many older Dells to increase cooling capability, but I'd like to see how you approach resolving cooling problems, like you did in this video. Thanks, and to your good health! 👍👍👍
You have become the "Wheeler Dealer" of PC's. I really like this kind of stuff because the average builder really learns a lot from this. You find out that you don't need top tier hardware to have a good gaming experience. Keep up the good work!
I absolutely think we need more of this series. I have also struggled with figuring out where to upgrade my gaming pc in a meaningful way without spending a ton of money on stuff.
These videos are great! Especially for new pc builders or even those that don't know a whole lot about what to look for. So what a great way to spotlight the used market. I have personally only ever built with brand new parts but maybe when I need an upgrade I will use the used market and give new purpose to some "old" hardware.
please do upgrade vids, that was my last ten yrs. getting ready to do my first build ever and seeing you work though these builds really helps me understand with what I already know
I love these 'upgrade' videos. It shows real world problems (cooler that doesn't cover the IHS, no room for a fan, limited cooler height space...). Maybe you could continue it with this PC. Pretend you've had this one for a year and are looking for an upgrade. Would you do another CPU upgrade? A 3080? Power supply?
Jay, at 17:30 when you talk about searching for prices of the video card on eBay I wanted to let you know that at the bottom of the list of filters on the left side of the search results there is a filter for the state of the auction. There you may select to only view Completed auctions and you will see the prices that people paid. Searching active auctions only shows really you what people hope to get. When you mentioned that if you asked $115 for the 5600G, you would receive $115. However there are auction fees that would be taken off. I think it’s great how you priced your items, setting a reasonable expectation of what you will receive from them.
This is a cool series, Jay! There's something so satisfying about optimizing older builds! It's always an adventure looking for creative ways to upgrade, finding the most balanced parts, and sometimes learning to embrace the janky ones too! lol Also...love the evga 2080S, such a great card!
Just wanted to add on to everyone else's sentiment that more videos like this would be awesome! Scrappy, budget-friendly, and approachable content while still focusing on squeezing out as much performance as possible.
Vids like these are very valuable, showing logical steps for upgrading without breaking bank. About 3 weeks ago I upgraded my father's cpu and motherboard, but everything else was reused; ddr4 sticks, hdds, nmve storage, gpu and fans :) All in all it cost only about 330 euros to upgrade Tip: see if you can easily detach the back panel of a prebuild; the one from my father's case wouldn't budge and it made rerouting cables a nightmare
You are right, Jay. This was fun. I'd much rather content like this over monitor or case unboxings. Too many channels do that already. As a new hardware buyer, I learnt so much about the secondhand market from this video, and may consider that as an option moving forward. Thanks guys!
Great video Jay and super interesting. Please do more of this style of content. Not only is it refreshing to see as an enthusiast but it's far more relevant today as prices continue to rise.
Great video Jay, thoroughly enjoyed it, very informative! Please move forward with this type of content, not everyone can afford the latest and greatest!!!!👍👍👍👍
Great video! Definitely if you have the money go as high as you can but these kind of videos helps us “tight budget” consumers know how to start and climb up from there to a better pc build.
@JayzTwoCents Man, I'd still like to see you more of your vlogs, it helps us a lot. But you should take care of your self man. Hope your health is doing well. God Bless as always. Love from Philippines.
You guys should do a budget build battle. Everyone gets $800 and can spend it anyway they like, new, used or a mix of parts. Or you could do a blind taste test. Build a cheap, mid range and high end system, put them behind a curtain and then everyone uses each one to play a couple different games. Not only would it be entertaining to have all of you guys in some videos but maybe it could give people a better understanding of where they may want to sacrifice when building on a budget. I kind of experience this every couple years. When I upgrade, it means upgrades for my two boys. I already build on a budget, usually aiming around the mid range of things. My youngest is still on the FX-8350 and an RX480. My oldest is on a Ryzen 3600 and RX580. So it's definitely time to start looking at PC parts again.
I've followed your channel since way back, 980 cards were released. Great job keeping the essence of the content. I really appreciate the work you do. 👊🏻
Yes Jay definitely do more of these types of vids, people are hurting economy wise so these videos are real help for cash strapped families and this topic shows another way instead of debt for them.
Definitely cool seeing how others do this. I think this type of series would benefit anyone wanting to learn and see how its done. Great job! Keep up the good work Continue this series sprinkling in the stuff you did before :)
2080 super was a good call, glad to see good tips like this 👌 well done Jay, I'd honestly love to see more content like this. Edit: I believe the "bigger number better" is part of the reason for the 3060 selling at a higher price. You are the only person I've seen suggest the 2080 super over the 3060. Most suggested "budget" builds I have seen either use the 6600/6600xt or 3060
I think this concept is great for showing people that aren't so much in the know the kind of thought process that goes into making realistic upgrades to your system. Very useful info.
A video series of top tier vs mid range or bottom tier stuff that you described at the end would be fantastic. I have desktop that I need to upgrade, but would love to see how much bang I could get for the money and performance. Keep it going J!
Jay that top 3.5 drive mount has 4 knockout plates. Then a 120mm fan fits it, I just did that mod on an HP Omen I'm building to flip. Love your content and the whole crew!
Thanks Jay and the gang for the vids, definitely liked your ideas at the end and enjoyed this two part episode, if you want suggestions for the upgrade side of things, maybe do a 3, 5, 10 year old systems upgrade or which ever you think is best maybe 2, 4, 6, 8 and do a "If you bought a system in 8 years ago, here's what you might be wanting to do to upgrade" on lets say say different budget limits, for minimal, moderate and I guess if you expensive with an 8 year old computer then it'll just buying a whole new rig lol but anywho, just an idea, if you get the jest of what I'm on about, thanks for everything and keep that great content coming to us consumers lol
Yeh Jay, more of things like this. You look as though your health is improving as well. Thank you for all your honest and helpful content. Terry from Australia.
Jay, please continue with updates on these 'moderate PC builds' showing practical and useful upgrades for people who need a good 'everyday' computer without breaking the bank!
I like what you are doing with the real world pricing. I never know what to pay for things online. It's good to have a content creator like yourself saying what parts should go for, not what they are going for. Awesome content as always!
9:00 "The Greatest Technician That's Ever Lived"
Seriously, good video man, thank you for encouraging people to price things fairly on eBay. It's honest people like you that break the cycles of inflated scalper prices. I'm pressing all the thumbs.
Hey dood. Love your content and occasionally seeing you in the comments on other channels I like.
Just discovered your channel through shorts the other day, didn't expect to find you in the comments here
LOVE you shorts bro! Thanks for showing your fixes!
They are not scalpers it's called selling for a profit if you don't like it don't buy it fairly simple
@@g.r.e1982 they are scalpers, if youre a scalper who doesnt sell for a profit youre bad at it, and reading the market.
Jay, absolutely make more content like this. For the average PC builder this is far more relevant than a completely new build. Even when building a new platform I always reuse something such as the case, drives etc.
Did reuse the case and power supply from a computer built 10 years ago 3770k with 2 GTX 760, now it is ryzen 5800x with RTX 3060 and nvme drives
Same here mate, got a hard drive thats been with me since 2006 😂
@@MrMOGHammer My power supply I believe dates back to 2011. It's still running strong powering my Ryzen 5700X and RTX 2080 Super. I'll need to retire it when I platform upgrade again, but for now I can't believe it's still working flawlessly.
@@thereallanteshjust retired my case and PSU after 10 years and several builds! They can be huge up front costs, but effectively £20 a year..
I'm still using an eleven year old PSU, it has outlasted 5 upgrades, and is the only original part from my first all-new build
I bought a used RTX 3070 off ebay for my son for Christmas, and it's been incredible for him. Please continue doing these used hardware videos!
Got my MSI Gaming X 3070 for $260. Awesome GPU!
Just bought a used 5600x and 6750XT for myself.. And before that a had a 2nd hand r9 390x, and before that dual r9 280x, and pretty much anything anything before that was 2nd hand.
Just got a 4060 (believe it's only $40 more than the used 3060 one you bought but new) and about to install a 7800x3d CPU. My computer was a potato so will be interesting what the new CPU can do to improve performance.
@@eldonb5131 You're gonna be on cloud nine with that 7800X3D, best gaming CPU on the market so far.
@@eldonb5131that's a very interesting cpu gpu combo. Do you do some kind of cpu heavy work?
This was an awesome video. Kinda like watching a car restoration/upgrade show. I did something like this with my old Intel 4th Gen PC I keep in the living room. I think I spent like 250 total between a used CPU and RAM which were both big upgrades, and then a new 2tb nvme from Amazon as well. It was really fun tinkering with it and I very often use it when I don't want to be stuck in the office.
I think this is a great series because it helps demonstrate the value of older components. It also encourages problem solving and reducing e waste. You don’t need all the newest components to play games or run a PC. Showing the benchmarking is good too, because it demonstrates performance improvements, which validates the choices made.
Especially in this format, showing the results relative to the previous components installed, rather than on the test bench with other top of the range parts.
I think you should absolutely do more of these. I think it's interesting to see these upgrade pathways played out with tangible, tested results and a realistic take on how much it would cost. For most people trying to upgrade their system it's a hot mess of options and variables out there. It's hard to know what a person should even try to upgrade given the janky disparity between hardware generations.
Usually OEM pc's will have thier windows license tied to the motherboard. You can change anything you want, but as long as you keep the motherboard, windows will remain activated.
You can also transfer the key if you change the motherboard. Just record the key and bitlocker info before and call Microsoft to activate it on the new one
yep. license activation used to be based on a hash of CPU/motherboard/gpu serials, but MS has scaled it back to "new mobo = new PC"
@@AstraeaAuroraworking on atf rules...
@@AstraeaAurorawhich is illegal in some countries. so, if you bought a license, in some countries you can use it on whatever pc you want and MS can't do shit about it
Well, that's only if you need MSWindows...
This would definitely be a series I would be very interested in watching. The "over time" being very relevant to current pressures, a lot of my friends just can't afford much currently but are stuck in dead end sandbridge era stuff, so this is very helpful..
Yes! More of these upgrade path videos.
Agreed. This is really interesting.
I second this. Do the gaming and lower tier comparison video!
I agree but I like the more natural flow of the video instead of forcing it.
Dude is a dope as human for this video. We hurting and finally, someone hears us. Thank you Jay for being the realest where ever you go
Would love more of these, love super high end things but nothing is more satisfying than the price to performance of slightly previous gen parts
what happpens if you pput a 90's accellerator card into a modern ryzen pc?🤔🤔
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue If its a modern game.... it wont run. There's a lot of tech on newer games that dont exist on legacy hardware. Even now, if you dont have a 20-series GPU (or AMD equivalent) that supports mesh shaders - that 10-series GPU will simply not run a game that uses mesh shaders as more and more games start using it
You can definitely say that again. It's all about price to performance for the win.
@@RealGreyGhost while laughing reading this still on my gtx 1070 rog strix from dinosaur age :P but thinking about getting rx 6800
@@tommyshoe-star1426 7600XT is a bit faster an $329
The reason they are selling for that price is it is one of the only super small 3060's you can find. People are using them in tiny pc's which is where the demand for them comes from.
Small eBay tip for checking pricing trends: if you select "Advanced" to the right of the search bar, you can select "Completed Items" and it will show you all the expired/sold listings for a particular item. That way, you can see the selling/pricing history to get a better idea of an item's actual sold worth. The rtx 3060 is selling for around $200-230, depending on the size (believe it or not, the smaller ones tend to be more expensive, because that's what people use to upgrade SFF and other weird proprietary OEM builds), so that 3060 would have definitely sold immediately.
Edit: Also note when selling on eBay, eBay takes about 10% off your selling price, so your actual net sales would've been closer to $265. Still, $130 for double performance is a damn good deal.
Was going to say the same 2 things - completed listings and eBay commission fee.
oh its more than 10%, it's roughly 13.5%
Totaly, only the 'sold' pricing is valid. if somethings listed for $x don't mean squat.
@@xBINARYGODx and aren't they taking Federal income tax out now? I know they were planning on a 19% default, then delayed it, but were supposed to have started it the beginning of this year (it's been a LONG while since I've sold on Ebay).
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I have watched your content for a LONG time, and it has helped me in my PC builds over time to the fullest. I use your recommendations as a guide to buying parts, You have helped in programs to help keep the cooling temps in my case down, and have helped in the building of my computers for many years now. keep up the good work. I love this content due to the fact many of us do not have the funds to buy the latest and greatest parts on the market. so again thank you, you have saved me from buying parts that might have been faulty. So again thank you. if I have a problem I always go back to one of your videos and I can usually find the fix for that problem, so again you have helped me and saved me a TON of money. keep up the good work and don't listen to any haters, I love watching this content, So thank you again, and have a wonderful life
Absolutely EXCELLENT video Jay. Please do more of these upgrade videos as these are much more interesting than other reviewers just discussing new and usually, overpriced PC components.
I like these videos. Recently my step son wanted to build a PC for a close friend of his. So I donated my 2070Super that’s been on the shelf for a while. He took it to micro center and they used it to build a balanced machine that’s a HUGE improvement over what he was using.
Gotta love Micro Center, built my PC with their help in picking components.
2070 Super on the shelf for awhile? How many overpriced nonsensical upgrade paths you running? Even top line games haven't outrun that card. 4k is not the standard it's the enthusiast path and often done in all the wrongs ways. 98% of gamers are using 1080 or 2k, not even sane that 4000 series ever sold a unit as they offer nothing but a lighter wallet. Pushing 300fps on a screen that only shows 144 maybe 200 isn't not sane or practical.
@@animalyze7120 I’m running “nonsensical” upgrades for my CAD and video software that are VERY sensible. How about your figure out another way to control your jealousy, huh? There’s more to PCs than just gaming.
@@benkonczal4584 haters gonna hate I run a ASRock white taichi 7900 XTX with a 7800X3D on a X670E Steel dragon with corsair parts and a WD 4tb SSD with two 8tb hdd for video cameras.
I wanna get into cad and other fun stuff this winter after i'm done upgrading to 9000 series cpu and hand me downing my cpu to my old lady.
Her setup is semi jank with 7600X, ASRock PG A770 (very impressed with the A770 reviews sh!t on it too much imo.) On a B650E PG ITX. We both run cheap 32gb (2x16) team group cl30 6000 megatransfer ram though and run any game well on out monitors. I got a sweet deal on a 2k 180hz display for her as well $160 cdn
I did a similar move for my wife 2 months ago. Bought a cheap RX 6600 and sold/replaced a GTX 1060 3GB, as she was starting to tun into issues with her games, mostly Baldur's Gate. Net cost was $80 CAD ($55-60 USD) and it near tripled her performance
geee, its your wife, get her 4060TI or 4070 Super
Before these grarphics card price inflations I used to replace my graphics card every year and it was a net $200 per year to get the highest end gpu every year. Pretty affordable. I'm not sure if this works anymore since the prices are so high and drop pretty hard. Although I bought ha 3090 and recently sold it for $200 more.
@@NoBodysGamer Send him the money then.
@@trsskater It works, but on average costs 500$, here is what you do, say you have 4090? Nvidia has their announcements in August and cards come 2-3 months later, so the moment they announce it you sell yours [keep some cheap 4060/4070 as backup card, hell when i sold 1080Ti to get 2080Ti i used 1030lol and was fine for windows].
The best if you keep the OG box and if it comes with any accessories, you never use them, keep them new like that 12pin cable, just buy one online, its good for the sale when its all look like new in a box [more money for you]
@@KonglomeratYT He should get a job, its not that expensive, if he lives in the west he shouldn't be that poor by default
I think these videos are so much better for the average entry-level user, as they can guide them into the "enthusiast" level much smoother than the "look at the shiny brand new thing that just came out." We all like that content as well, but this right here, this is gold. I would have killed to find this sort of information and ideas when I first got into PC's not too long ago. It's not just cost that is a barrier for entry into PC gaming, it's knowledge. And a lot of users will simply champion whatever they have in their system, because that's what they have direct experience with (+xp to them for that) but not necessarily always guide others into newer/better stuff. This is Gold, guys. Love it. 💯
JayZ, this panel you took out on 10:45 to install 120mm fan has removable square plates, just remove them and you will have a specialized bracket for 120mm fan, because it is what it for.
Black screws with flat heads would have been better too
Hey there Jay. I bought a an Omen 30L back when folks were picking them up just for the GPUs and then scraping the carcass for next to nothing. Anyway, I bought one GPULess and waited for a GPU to drop in. Long story short, HP has a water cooler / 120 AIO that worked OK cooling the 5800x that mine came with. I wonder what an OEM AIO would run as an option.
Anyway. It’s fun to see you custom build folks see want can be done with prebuilts. It’s one of my favorite hobbies.
You should try an HP 15L. It’s highly proprietary, but there’s a lot of room for upgrades even working within its limitations.
Anyway. Glad to see you are having fun.
Cheers
AGW
I love these videos because it's what I did with my first PC, get a decent pre-build and make logical upgrades to it.
Awesome video, Jay! I love the problem solving and using resources on hand to upgrade rather than buying all brand new. Love to see more like this!
Love the budget build videos recently. It's fun making bawl's out systems, but it's as much fun and more practical to see lower cost reviews and build/upgrade ideas.
I bought that exact same Omen from BestBuy in 2020 going from Xbox to PC. It didn't take me long to gut it, upgrade it, to only sell it to build my own. Now I'm rocking the 14700 & 4070S. That PC ignited my passion again. Love the videos, Jay! Keep em coming!
Loving these videos, Jay! Building a PC from scratch is always fun, but overcoming the challenges that come with upgrading OEM systems is so much more satisfying!
Nice video! I like these practical upgrade/build videos over brand spanking new hardware. Had never seen a low-profile cooler like that before either.
What I want to see is Jay keeps talking the talk about AMD being better value in his reviews but then uses Nvidia in all his builds, I would love to see him actually use AMD.
YES! This is nearly exactly what I suggested you do with this system. I don't know if you even saw my comment in the sea of others, but thank you for content like this that will help countless budget gamers for years to come. Please keep videos like this coming. Showing regular ppl how easy it is to bargain hunt and make major upgrades for not a lot of money is exactly what I hoped you would do.
I am SO happy you did this video!!! I've been "trading up" on PC components for quite some time. Started out with an Intel 4th Gen off-lease pre-built in 2016 and in December just finished a 9th Gen 9900K custom system for a grand total of about $300 (net) all by buying and selling parts to get to where I am now. It can be done. It takes time and patience. This was an awesome video. Well done as always Jay! You always seem to be right on top of things!
Thanks, Jay. Fascinating video. 👍👍. My last 2 GPUs have been used. I love reusing parts. Until a few months ago, I used a Q6600 system as a media centre for streaming on my TV in the living room. The CPU and motherboard wouldn't die! I recently upgraded this PC to a 6th gen i7 system and splurged on a new Corsair 5000D Air flow case (total overkill- but pretty nice looking). I am using some parts from the old system, including a GTX 750, SSD and HDD; the rest of the parts I had lying around from other builds. It runs Windows 11 and is really perfect for streaming music and video. I have a feeling that the GPU is the next thing to die. In a way, I am looking forward to the hunt for a used one. Thanks again for showing that you don't need new hardware all the time and with some clever upgrades, you can significantly boost the overall performance of your current setup.
Please make more videos like this Jay it is very informative and eye opener for beginners! Thank you
Keep stuff like this up, sir. You’ve got a great presentation style and I know these videos help people more than you may realize.
While I’ve been bitten by the ITX MINI-PC bug, your “how to build a computer” video is what helped me see that I really could build my own.
Great stuff! Keep up the good work!
This would make a good series
The PC Rehab channel has a series similar to this you should check out
I wish there were more relatable videos on UA-cam like this. This is great for most of us who are just scraping by and hustling for small but very welocome gains. I hope you keep doing some videos like this, they're very helpful and encouraging.
Thank you guys for videos like this! I mostly watch because how much fun PC building is, so imo there's no need for the most expensive components (even if that stuff is fun to watch to sometimes). I'm planning a build for my brother with some of my old parts and this video gave me some inspiration and ideas so thank you!
This video is spot on. Just realized that after having my pc starting to make random cut outs after years without maintenance, that my components is getting older. Started to make me wonder which parts is "salvageable" and only needs a brush up and which is the ones that I should replace. Great vid! - Keep them coming :D
All the love to you and your crew J and Team. God bless you and yours.
I like that Jay said, "I know what I'm doing," and then made a bunch of mistakes. He could've edited those out but chose not to. I really appreciate that. Even people who know what they're doing screw up sometimes.
This is a really fun series. I promised myself in the future I would only buy used to do my part to reduce e-waste so this has been great to watch.
Great Jayz! Excellent idea to show possible upgrades for old PCs. Really helps out us regular guys!
I love this series! Marketplace builds are interesting to me. Keep up the great work!
Great video, im in a prosess of upgrading my own system and getting shocked by the prices in norway right now. So found this "series" real interesseting, keep it up! :)
definitely keep these videos coming, i love seeing the upgrades you can do for cheap 👌
I like these upgrade videos as well. This is real world, real life videos that cater to people who don't want nor don't need a new computer but want to give a second life to a system on a budget. Kudos to you!
Very interesting Jay. Please do more of this type.
Definitely do more of this kind of content. It'll help a lot of people getting into PC gaming. It would also help showing the "issues" these machines can have in the bios screens as well.
I love that someone is showing how it is possible to cobble together a decent gaming computer on a budget, but something you might have overlooked is Ebay's fees. Just because you listed the parts for what you did does not mean you will end up with that in hand at the end. I usually subtract 20% for a ballpark of how much you might end up with.
well it also shows the 5700g is the better choice even if you struggle on it's builtin igpu till you can afford a gpu because the cpu kicks ass as a cpu alone
Even less if you have to account for shipping
Definitely continue with this “series” of getting budget used pcs and upgrading them. Definitely enjoy watching yall compare what you can get for the old parts vs how much the news one cost.
9:02 Jay channeling his inner Linus. LOL
Jaytwodropz?
@@andy56dukyDropTwoCents
Jay more authentic im my opinion i think this is what most people will experience for up great. Using eBay and selling old part s
jaydrop tios
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Low end and mid end builds are great idea to cover, not many people do, yet its obviously the most realistic option for a lot of people. Good work team.
Have to add. Yes, more of this please.
I am not even looking for an upgrade but this was so fun to watch. Just from an engineering standpoint, sometimes it's cool to see how you can play around with different options/parameters and get the most bang for your buck. Great Video Jay!
Yes! Love these budget king / oem pcs
20:39 i think so too. everyone can say buy the best you can afford but what actually is "the best" not only depends on the usage, but the approach you want to use aswell
"The best you can afford" sounds like terrible advice. XD Who told you that? Things need to be catered to what you plan to use your PC for. "The best" would not fit most users.
i think this is a really good series idea!
Great to see you back Jay! Also really liked the video. Cool seeing UA-camrs finally start to talk about the used market for this stuff.
This is the kind of videos we need more of TBH. And especially showing gaming benchmarks to prove that you dont need to spend a lot of money for a gaming rig.
Especially helpful for people on an extreme budget.
I've always bought high-end parts, because I can afford it, however after watching LTT and now Jay do these videos - I am motivated to do such a build myself.
These are my favorite kind of tech video aside from retro content... showcasing how to build a balanced system that's good for most things. Definitely keep this series going.
Is it nice seeing all the new shiny? Sure. Is it nice having all the new shiny? Definitely. But most of us are not doing high-end workstation/server computing at home, or gaming on multiple 4k monitors. Even the Steam Hardware Survey still lists the GTX 1650 as the second-most popular graphics card.
The bots are in full force already it seems, judging from all the ghost replies
Yeah, more and more lately
yup, they found a new way to get around the auto banning.
this little series was awesome, much more informative for the average joe who doesn't have 2-3 grand to blow on a high end PC, and more information on how to deal shop a little bit as well when it comes to second hand purchasing too. On behalf of everyone, Thanks Jay!
Hi Jay and team. Love these videos that you have been posting to the masses. I am happy that you remember where your main group of viewers probably have for their daily driver as their systems. Much respect! 🙂
Keep this type of content coming. Just as many people choose this route over buying new. Thanks Jay. Hope your health is improving each day. Cheers!
More videos like this please!? These are the ones that are inspiring and fun to watch!!
Jay, I really enjoyed this video. I've fixed up used (and so-called broken, per Geek Squad) PCs for years, as well as building new systems from scratch. It's a challenge to see if I could bump up additional performance from an older used PC, and pass them on to my sons and nephews. This video showed a cost effective way to 'soup up' a so-so HP Omen to make it a good gamer system. So - yeah, you get my vote for any kind of video like this, 'cause we're all wanting to save some $$ on our builds. A suggestion: many of the OEM/store bought systems have decent components, but have awful cooling. I've modded many older Dells to increase cooling capability, but I'd like to see how you approach resolving cooling problems, like you did in this video. Thanks, and to your good health! 👍👍👍
You have become the "Wheeler Dealer" of PC's. I really like this kind of stuff because the average builder really learns a lot from this. You find out that you don't need top tier hardware to have a good gaming experience. Keep up the good work!
I absolutely think we need more of this series. I have also struggled with figuring out where to upgrade my gaming pc in a meaningful way without spending a ton of money on stuff.
A channel with real advice not just a bunch of stats and numbers. Definitely refreshing.
These videos are great! Especially for new pc builders or even those that don't know a whole lot about what to look for. So what a great way to spotlight the used market. I have personally only ever built with brand new parts but maybe when I need an upgrade I will use the used market and give new purpose to some "old" hardware.
Really liked the video. For someone with an old pc at the moment, it’s cool to see what cheap but powerful upgrades you can do.
please do upgrade vids, that was my last ten yrs. getting ready to do my first build ever and seeing you work though these builds really helps me understand with what I already know
I love these 'upgrade' videos. It shows real world problems (cooler that doesn't cover the IHS, no room for a fan, limited cooler height space...). Maybe you could continue it with this PC. Pretend you've had this one for a year and are looking for an upgrade. Would you do another CPU upgrade? A 3080? Power supply?
Jay, at 17:30 when you talk about searching for prices of the video card on eBay I wanted to let you know that at the bottom of the list of filters on the left side of the search results there is a filter for the state of the auction. There you may select to only view Completed auctions and you will see the prices that people paid. Searching active auctions only shows really you what people hope to get.
When you mentioned that if you asked $115 for the 5600G, you would receive $115. However there are auction fees that would be taken off. I think it’s great how you priced your items, setting a reasonable expectation of what you will receive from them.
This is a cool series, Jay! There's something so satisfying about optimizing older builds! It's always an adventure looking for creative ways to upgrade, finding the most balanced parts, and sometimes learning to embrace the janky ones too! lol Also...love the evga 2080S, such a great card!
Jay - great content. The reuse and repurpose economy is a thing. It encourages people to be resourceful and own their builds. Love this series
I love this . If I couldn’t afford to buy new, or for any kid looking to learn, this is a superb idea. Keep up the great work you’re doing! 👏
Just wanted to add on to everyone else's sentiment that more videos like this would be awesome! Scrappy, budget-friendly, and approachable content while still focusing on squeezing out as much performance as possible.
Vids like these are very valuable, showing logical steps for upgrading without breaking bank.
About 3 weeks ago I upgraded my father's cpu and motherboard, but everything else was reused; ddr4 sticks, hdds, nmve storage, gpu and fans :)
All in all it cost only about 330 euros to upgrade
Tip: see if you can easily detach the back panel of a prebuild; the one from my father's case wouldn't budge and it made rerouting cables a nightmare
You are right, Jay. This was fun. I'd much rather content like this over monitor or case unboxings. Too many channels do that already. As a new hardware buyer, I learnt so much about the secondhand market from this video, and may consider that as an option moving forward. Thanks guys!
Great video Jay and super interesting. Please do more of this style of content. Not only is it refreshing to see as an enthusiast but it's far more relevant today as prices continue to rise.
Great video Jay, thoroughly enjoyed it, very informative!
Please move forward with this type of content, not everyone can afford the latest and greatest!!!!👍👍👍👍
Great video! Definitely if you have the money go as high as you can but these kind of videos helps us “tight budget” consumers know how to start and climb up from there to a better pc build.
@JayzTwoCents Man, I'd still like to see you more of your vlogs, it helps us a lot. But you should take care of your self man. Hope your health is doing well. God Bless as always. Love from Philippines.
You guys should do a budget build battle. Everyone gets $800 and can spend it anyway they like, new, used or a mix of parts. Or you could do a blind taste test. Build a cheap, mid range and high end system, put them behind a curtain and then everyone uses each one to play a couple different games. Not only would it be entertaining to have all of you guys in some videos but maybe it could give people a better understanding of where they may want to sacrifice when building on a budget.
I kind of experience this every couple years. When I upgrade, it means upgrades for my two boys. I already build on a budget, usually aiming around the mid range of things. My youngest is still on the FX-8350 and an RX480. My oldest is on a Ryzen 3600 and RX580. So it's definitely time to start looking at PC parts again.
Good video Jay, it's nice to change things up a little once in a while. I personally have done minor upgrades just like this several times.
I've followed your channel since way back, 980 cards were released. Great job keeping the essence of the content. I really appreciate the work you do. 👊🏻
Yes Jay definitely do more of these types of vids, people are hurting economy wise so these videos are real help for cash strapped families and this topic shows another way instead of debt for them.
Definitely cool seeing how others do this. I think this type of series would benefit anyone wanting to learn and see how its done.
Great job! Keep up the good work
Continue this series sprinkling in the stuff you did before :)
2080 super was a good call, glad to see good tips like this 👌 well done Jay, I'd honestly love to see more content like this. Edit: I believe the "bigger number better" is part of the reason for the 3060 selling at a higher price. You are the only person I've seen suggest the 2080 super over the 3060. Most suggested "budget" builds I have seen either use the 6600/6600xt or 3060
YES these videos are great for people in those situations... Bought a prebuilt, and now looking to expand !
I think this concept is great for showing people that aren't so much in the know the kind of thought process that goes into making realistic upgrades to your system. Very useful info.
Love this video, its a good example of how someone can keep their older systems performing well for minimal cost.
Yes Jay, definitely do more of these upgrade the used PC projects! I love seeing these kind of videos to see the real performance gain!
A video series of top tier vs mid range or bottom tier stuff that you described at the end would be fantastic. I have desktop that I need to upgrade, but would love to see how much bang I could get for the money and performance. Keep it going J!
Jay that top 3.5 drive mount has 4 knockout plates. Then a 120mm fan fits it, I just did that mod on an HP Omen I'm building to flip. Love your content and the whole crew!
Please keep making these! I love watching you explore the 2nd hand market.
Thanks Jay and the gang for the vids, definitely liked your ideas at the end and enjoyed this two part episode, if you want suggestions for the upgrade side of things, maybe do a 3, 5, 10 year old systems upgrade or which ever you think is best maybe 2, 4, 6, 8 and do a "If you bought a system in 8 years ago, here's what you might be wanting to do to upgrade" on lets say say different budget limits, for minimal, moderate and I guess if you expensive with an 8 year old computer then it'll just buying a whole new rig lol but anywho, just an idea, if you get the jest of what I'm on about, thanks for everything and keep that great content coming to us consumers lol
Yeh Jay, more of things like this. You look as though your health is improving as well. Thank you for all your honest and helpful content.
Terry from Australia.
As a consumer of more high-end off-the-shelf hardware, I think lower end upgrade-path videos are much more interesting to watch. Enjoyed this.
Jay, please continue with updates on these 'moderate PC builds' showing practical and useful upgrades for people who need a good 'everyday' computer without breaking the bank!
I like what you are doing with the real world pricing. I never know what to pay for things online. It's good to have a content creator like yourself saying what parts should go for, not what they are going for. Awesome content as always!