The hard verifiable facts are bike weight. Please do treat that section separately. The rest is marketing blurb which we really can’t verify. Be great if the weights were compared for similar sized bikes. A (unknown size) Factor at UCI limit 6.8kg is worlds away from a 54cm Cervelo weighing 8kg! And if slim tubes are more aero and if the Cervelo split cockpit is an advantage because air can flow through, how does a noticeably wider head tube of the Scott provide aero advantage by splitting the air? This from the same bike where a slimmed handlebar is reducing drag? Unless there is some clever electronics in the handlebar it’s impossible to say it stiffens up when you are in the drops but becomes more compliant when on the hoods! The drops are beyond the hoods on the same bars. Compliance or stiffness is relative to the connection point at the crown of the fork. No way to have changing compliance with stiffness at drops and compliance at hoods! The problem with reciting all the marketing blurb back to back is that you see the inconsistencies vividly. They are all great bikes. But the best aero bike is the one that is efficient, fast and can also climb (weight) and it seems that the best here is the new Factor. And I ride the Aeroad CFR which I love.
How can the Scott foil save a minute 18 with a 16 watt improvement over its predecessor when the new madone only saves a minute with a 19 watt improvement? Because there's no way the old madone was slower than the last generation foil
In my understanding, the Scott saves (like you said) those numbers COMPARED to the predecessor. This means that the overall values still could be worse than the ones of the Madone. And why is it impossible that the Madone is worse than the Foil? Two different companies.
Facts checked: OSTRO is heavier by almost 400g! Looking at these numbers, data and marketing slogans, all bikes by 2024 should have no weightless, no air drag, and be faster than any car on the road.
A “rider will never make a bike any faster than their fitness or skill allows”. That’s a fact. It is true for every single rider. Weak or TDF winner. But it says nothing about fast bikes.
they've saved so many watts in aero every year since the 2000s that bikes are now self propelled 😮💨
I have the new foil and it is an absolute machine on flats.
Love the Foil!
Same. By FAR the best bike ive ever had.
@masterfan0 What wheels do you have on your new foil?
@@cyberx7098 DT SWISS ARC 1400 DICUT. I strongly recommend them.
@@cyberx7098 I have DT Swiss ARC 1400 DICUT. Amazing wheels, I would recommend them.
Scott Foil❤❤❤
The hard verifiable facts are bike weight. Please do treat that section separately. The rest is marketing blurb which we really can’t verify.
Be great if the weights were compared for similar sized bikes. A (unknown size) Factor at UCI limit 6.8kg is worlds away from a 54cm Cervelo weighing 8kg!
And if slim tubes are more aero and if the Cervelo split cockpit is an advantage because air can flow through, how does a noticeably wider head tube of the Scott provide aero advantage by splitting the air? This from the same bike where a slimmed handlebar is reducing drag?
Unless there is some clever electronics in the handlebar it’s impossible to say it stiffens up when you are in the drops but becomes more compliant when on the hoods! The drops are beyond the hoods on the same bars. Compliance or stiffness is relative to the connection point at the crown of the fork. No way to have changing compliance with stiffness at drops and compliance at hoods!
The problem with reciting all the marketing blurb back to back is that you see the inconsistencies vividly.
They are all great bikes. But the best aero bike is the one that is efficient, fast and can also climb (weight) and it seems that the best here is the new Factor.
And I ride the Aeroad CFR which I love.
It's to possible to verify aero beacuse there is independent data available. Aeroad/Foil/S5 are the fastest bikes
How can the Scott foil save a minute 18 with a 16 watt improvement over its predecessor when the new madone only saves a minute with a 19 watt improvement? Because there's no way the old madone was slower than the last generation foil
In my understanding, the Scott saves (like you said) those numbers COMPARED to the predecessor. This means that the overall values still could be worse than the ones of the Madone. And why is it impossible that the Madone is worse than the Foil? Two different companies.
No Tarmac?, sl7 is still the bike all these companies including specialized are trying to out do.
Felt AR Aero bike
giant propel 2024
Great bike!
How much faster
Facts checked: OSTRO is heavier by almost 400g! Looking at these numbers, data and marketing slogans, all bikes by 2024 should have no weightless, no air drag, and be faster than any car on the road.
The rider makes a bike fast, and a weak rider will never make a bike any faster than their fitness or skill allows.
A “rider will never make a bike any faster than their fitness or skill allows”.
That’s a fact. It is true for every single rider. Weak or TDF winner.
But it says nothing about fast bikes.
Sounds like you just read from each company's website