Canyon Ultimate vs Aeroad | Which would I choose?
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
- For this video I get to ride both the Canyon Ultimate and the Aeroad, back to back.
The Geometry of the bikes is exactly the same so to really feel the differences between the two bikes I had to ride them together. Here are my conclusions.
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
01:08 - Handling
03:13 - Wind Stability
03:56 - Climbing
05:24 - Sprinting
06:31 - Rolling/ Flats
08:36 - Comfort
09:49 - Weight
10:42 - Fun Factor
11:45 - Shop Window
13:20 - My Choice - Спорт
Ultimate - 911 turbo
Aeroad - gt3 rs
I feel it is more the other way round.. The turbo for just straight power, the gt3 for lightness and perfect handling.
@@dakallaBoth had a point, but I think it‘s the GT3 RS because of the cool factor
Loved the reference to Frederico! 😀Also one of the best comparisons I've watched so far.
Great video with so detailed explanation and scoring, make it way much easier for a beginner like me to understand well. Thank you!
Great and in-depth comparison, really liked it! And I’m happy it confirmed my decision - just got my 3rd Ultimate a week ago (having already spent 17 years on 1st and 3rd generation).
Amazing video honestly ! It has basically everything you'd want to know when hesitating between the two options. Keep it up !
Amazing video again !
Loved it mate!! Great analysis, very similar to my impressions when I tried these two bikes. For me the Ultimate discs is nice, but could not match my rim Ultimate, so for an additional bike probably I might choose an Aeroad.
Would you say that you RB ultimate feels even lighter than the disk? Ignoring the weight
@@cyclingunboxedmy rim Ultimate with the Hyper wheels is less than 7Kg with pedals and cages, it's so reactive it's addictive! Still running 105. Difficult to adjust to modern bikes feel for me 😂
The rim brake Ultimate is a beast. My SLX comes in at 6,4kg and it's just so amazing to ride I can't stop. Tried the disc Ultimate and it's just not the same anymore. The pure lightness and stiffness that the old RB offers is unmatched in hilly terrain. You just feel it from the first pedal stroke you know. It really went downhill after they introduced discs :(
@@piotrkol91 it's an amazing bike!!
Great review to the point and gives an actual opinion!
Great comparison! I have the Ultimate CF SLX8 in Arctic Blue since a few weeks now and it is a (/my) dream bike. Great handling, seriously fast. I yet have to test it in the mountains (off to the French Alps for 3 weeks in a month) but on the small climbs on my training grounds, it feels very good.
Glad you like it! Enjoy the mountains
Great channel, your passion and knowledge is incredible. Atb pal
I appreciate the kind words 🙌🏼
I agree with most of your experiences with these 2 bike and to be complete I purchased recently purchased Abroad CFR Sram Etap after having purchased Ultimate SLX9 di2 in February this year. When my friends ask me the difference I say the Ultimate is a Sportscar porsche 911 better climbing, handling, acceleration and I use for the most hilly trips here in Denmark and the Abroad is a big fast AMG good for straight flats to maintain high speeds. The Ultimate is more fun to ride from day 1 and the Aeroad you need to learn more to ride for me especially turning at higher speeds so I think it's more for straight lines. But the Abroad looks cooler definately. About the comfort I have Vento Argo 00 ont he Ultimate size L and its really comfy so I planned to use 30mm. tires on the Aeroad for more comfort because the saddle stem on Aeroad is less flexible and stiffer than Ultimate and I think the bigger tires do their job for more comfort. The Abroad did surprisingly well more than expected in strong crosswind actually I find the 62mm DTswiss more stabile than the 50 mm. DTswiss on Ultimate so I can go in very windy conditions on the Abroad which I not expected. The Abroad is really funny to go with in a straight line for me 40-45km. pr. hour very good to maintain that speed and I feel a little pro these moments. The Ultimate is more fun to ride tracks with small hills and turns then you feel great respons. When I go to Gran Canaria in the winter I will bring the Ultimate definitely and the Shimano disc brakes requires less power and breaks faster on the descends than the now Old Sram Red disc brakes I have but I think sram solved it with their new groups. Here in Denmark the disc brakes are not nessescary only to make your rims live longer for my kind of rides. There are upgrades for these bikes if you only want to buy a Canyon. I noticed the Scopewheels Artech 6 you safe 450gr. on the 65mm and 420gr. on the 45mm. but also expensive. The prestacycle 12speed cassette is 100gr. lighter than dura ace. It could be funny to try some lighter wheels though to see how it would be in real life but am very happy with the DTswiss especially th 65mm. The 50 mm. I experience more unstable in crosswinds and not so good to maintain speed as the 65mm. I was actually considering to buy the speedmax but the bike fitter recommended me to buy Aeroad instead and I am happy for my choice and that I can choose between those 2 racemachines for my rides.
I own the new ultimate with the artic blue colour and love it. Have it for nearly a year. Very comfortable, handles well and great on the climbs.
Great review
I am just about to move to Florida from Boston and was wondering which bike would be better for the local topography. You mentioning Florida at 14:13 was a 4th wall breaking moment 😂
Great video!
Cool comparison. I recently decided on the Ultimate and versatility played into my choice. It came with Zipp 303s, but I can throw 404s on it and close some of the aero gap, or use a super light set for big mountain rides (202s or similar). Finally there is enough clearance for some smaller gravel tires, e.g 34mm
Thank you so much. I am total Fan of Aero Bikes. Once i have ridden the Ultimate i changed my mind. In a long Ride the Ultimate gives so much more performance. But i love my Giant Propel too. It is just like .....how can i put it down? The Ultimate serves you more over Rides longer than 70-100 Kilometers and is still fast on Flat terrain.
Interesting review.. I jumped straight in for the Aeroad, I have never ridden the ultimate. Perhaps I just bought it for the "cool, shop window" factor. I must say though, I do find it quite nimble and agile and I do enjoy riding it, even round the surrey hills. But, I don't have an ultimate to compare against
"Federico style"... nice hook, everybody loves Federico
Went to my local bike shop partner of Canyon, tried ultimate CF SL 7 and Aeroad SLX 8 di2. Aeroad is hard to handle in the wind, but the cool factor really impressed me. I tried a XS and it’s surprisingly light. The DT Swiss 1400 hub noise is entertaining as well
It’s hard to get away from how cool it is isn’t it.
Hate to break it to you but Ultimate and Aeroad have EXACTLY the same geo...
They are exactly the same. But the feel of the bikes is night and day
Hey man nice vid, I'm 6ft 3, 85kg and looking to get one of these bikes. What sizes are you riding here? Thanks!
These were size L. It should be noted that I have quite long legs and a shorter torso
Hi, wondering at 6'4 did you rode the XL or the L ? Thanks !
I personally rode the L but I have very long legs and a shorter torso
@@cyclingunboxed ok good to know, thanks !
Is it the CFR version compared or which version of both bikes? Can you precise please. 🙏
These are the cf slx versions, so the ones most people are going to buy. As far as I have been told from the guys at Canyon, the rides are the same on the cfr version. They are just a bit lighter
good review. Ive been riding a Trek Domane that I set up as Aero as I can. Slammed the stem, Carbon Wheels, GP5000 tires, and Ive made it faster. Just took delivery of a Canyon Aeroad CF-SLX8 and have yet to put it to the test. However, I live in flat Texas with roads like glass. I have no climbing and like to ride fast for the hour I exercise every day. Cant wait to see how is stacks up.
Sounds like the perfect place for the aeroad! Enjoy!
Great comparison video! I’m currently riding a BMC Team Machine SLR6 with mechanical 105. I’m considering upgrading to something more high-end, and I’m torn between the Ultimate CFR and the Aerode CFR. Based on your video, it seems like the Ultimate CFR might be the better choice for my location (Monaco-Nice), given the terrain. However, I’m curious-do you think I’ll notice a significant difference between my current Team Machine SLR6 and the Ultimate CFR?
Thanks for the great content!
It’s going to be tough for me to say as I have never ridden the BMC!
But here are my thoughts anyway. For the climbs you have around Nice (love them) then yea, I think you would have more fun on the ultimate.
If you like to spend time out the saddle then definitely so. If you do most of your climbing in the saddle then the aeroad will be just fine.
For the descents, I also enjoyed the ultimate more.
Just felt more playful.
If you really LOVE the look of the aeroad though then it’s still a great choice. Anyone would be happy with the bike
@@cyclingunboxed merci beaucoup 😀
Did you do any segement testing where you hold a similar body position and power for a given interval? Would be super interesting especially as you test more bikes to build a data base of segements and times.
I didn’t for the reasons below
I have done 2 aero test videos on this channel so far (disk wheel + aero helmets):
Test variability. Where I live round Surrey there is far too many cars to get a consistent. The test segments would also be very long. It took me 90km of testing down the same stretch to test different wheel sets.
Even on the TT helmet test round the velodrome in Mallorca it was tough to analyse and get accurate results without and aero sensor to hand.
Finally, different days, different weather. I believe it will have too big of an impact to the test.
As much as I would like to, I will leave the objective tests to Tour magazine and the wind tunnel and I will stick to the subjective differences.
I hope that explains why I haven’t done it
13:35 Looking forward for other reviews in the plan... Madone and SL8 👍👍
Going to try and get them both done in the next month. Also want to try contact Trek for the new madone we have just seen a the dauphine
Nice review! Love my aeroad, and you have to multiply that cool factor by the fact that all pro teams are using it everywhere, instead of the Ultimate.
Also, crazy bar drop. What's your inseam???
It has so much presence as a bike the aeroad.
Unsure on the inseam but I do have a very long leg compared to the normal human. I chose L as it’s the closest size to a 58, what I normally ride.
@@cyclingunboxed That’s interesting - I’m 6’4 and 85kg - but canyon recommend the XL, even if I up my inside leg measurement by a fair bit. I’m looking at the aeroad, but would be an n+1, so my current summer bike I’d keep and use for group rides and hill climbs. Wish I could go try one of these for size! Are you at the limits for adjustment on the large?
What frame size did you use the bikes in? thanks!
These frames were size L
Nice review, what size bike are they? I’m 6ft 4 also
These ones are size L. I have a shorter torso and longer leg
I own both of those bikes, and I'll take the Aeroad over the Ultimate all day long! They are both nice, but the Aeroad is a fantastic machine! Thanks for the vid.
I think it does depend on what style of riding you do. I quite like to be out the saddle a lot round the steep climbs of Surrey.
Ripping it up at high speeds on the aeroad is brilliant. Just goes so fast
Great review with some important lessons for a potential buyer. One question, what size did you ride and why?
Only thing is that I find the score differences a bit exaggerated sometimes. Geometry is the same and a similar spec ultimate is only 200gr lighter, but pro’s always pick the Aeroad.
I rode a L as it corresponds with a 58 which is what I ride normally. Geometry just feels right on that size. A 56 is too small.
The aeroad definitely feels a lot faster so I see why they choose it. And it probably tests a lot faster on the pro wind tunnel tests. The Ultimate is definitely more spritley on climbs though. I see why other teams now use both bikes such as Visma lease a bike
I opted for a compromise: Canyon Ultimate CF SL8 Aero with carbon aero wheelset and Ultegra Di2 😊
I like the aeroad more. So your test is based on 60 kilometer on each bike?
It is. Not the ideal length but it’s what I could get them for.
It’s a great chance to ride them back to back though. Then the differences really show themselves
Interesting. Could you do a similar comparison video between Orro Gold and Orro Venturi?
This is a great video suggestion. I have just emailed them now to try and get in contact. If I am successful, I will reply to this post again so you will know the video is coming.
One thing in total agreement, if you want to go fast the Aeroad delivers. There is absolutely no doubt here.
Hello - how about descending? when you go up you gotta come down - and i bed the aeroroad crushes it downhill.
The downhills are in included in the handing section really. It’s all about covering.
For top speed I would say yes.
But for the handling. It’s not exactly hard to get a hold of but it will be 2-3 weeks before you can really rail the corners hard as you get used to the way it feels
What size were the bikes
These bikes were size L
How tall are you and what size do you use
I’m 192cm / 6,4. Longer legs, shorter torso.
These bikes were size L. Comparable to a 58cm frame
You can look at your Garmin and not notice much speed difference. We all know conditions vary and a lot of things affect speed. However, if you have a fixed route that you ride over and over, and you do this on different bikes. you will see the average Aeroad speed noticeably higher than your other bike.
What size Aeroroad are you using?
Both of these bikes were size L
@@cyclingunboxed Thanks i'm around 6'3" and was wondering if a L would fit...
It depends. I would measure your current bikes geometry and compare it to the canyons on the website. That will give you a good idea.
I have quite long legs which usually puts my seatpost high
@@cyclingunboxed Will do...
Jesus man, ditch the UA-cam script and do your own thing. You have great delivery style.
Have an Aeroad CFR with SRAM Red. If I had to do it over again I would get the Ultimate. In a crosswind and descending, the Aeroad is very skittish. Also it is not geared low enough for climbs greater than 10% for me. I will eventually put on a larger cassette. It is a fast bike. Also a lot of issues in first month. Shifter got loose, had to center rear brake caliper, align front derailleur and bottom bracket creaks like crazy. Never had such issues with my Merckx or Cervelo.
I didn’t personally find it skittish. It’s the second time I had ridden one and it felt like I could nail the handing within 1-2 weeks. Not perfect but learnable I wish I had said in the video. But of course you are a much more long term owner and so I will take your word with much consideration.
I do wish that one day they will provide a more “climbing” cassette as an option you can stock when you buy the bike. Maybe this will be something they provide in the future.
No doubt it’s one of the fastest bike I have ever ridden
Oh wow! You mean to tell me the S-Works, around a $14,000 bike, feels better than a mid level Canyon??? I would never have thought.
I have ridden the ultegra level sl7 quite a lot and the frame characteristics still holds true.
When It comes to value, you may not have watched some of my other videos (Aethos frame comparison + what are specialized doing wrong) but I go pretty hard into specialized for speccing their lower tier frames poorly. Very poorly.
The value of the canyon is near impossible to beat and you are getting tonnes more bike at the low and mid level.
First video that help me for a decision… As a beginner I know now that the aeroroad is to much, and also my space is relative hilly, there a lot of flat streets but almost only at the river sides…. On the otherhand: the coolnes factor and the looks and the potential more Speed is still triggering to a aero… 😂 It’s just more fancy…. I want both … But paying in the entry Level Specs 4,5K per bike(availability is a big Problem for the cheaper ultimate with my size)… I could, but I wouldn’t want…. It‘s time that prices goes down …. Both in the 2,5 or 3k with di2… I would love to buy (over the years )a second cool bike 😅… For now it is one bike only for the next 5-10 years
If you are near climbs and that’s what you do mostly then it’s an easy choice. Also love the Aeroad but as a bike, the ultimate is just better.
@@cyclingunboxed Yeah to be clear there are no big climbs but more like "a lot of small ones" ... And even when I head to a flat road I have ride those smaller climbs before or after.
But yeah it's like seeing the Aeroad my heart is beating faster and seeing the Ultimate it's like: "yeah nice bike"
Nice Video but honestly the Aeroad vs Tarmac sl 8 and Ultimate vs. Aethos would be more interesting.
Would be a great video!
Probably too hard to get those bikes together back to back for a channel my size.
It takes long enough getting my hands on the current bikes 😂
The bike weights are different btw: 7kg for Ultimate and ~8 for Aeroad. I think when it comes to climbing, bikes should be equal in terms of weight if we want to compare them:)
In terms of speed. I would assume they do climb very similarly. But the feel of the bikes really is night and day
@@cyclingunboxed interesting. I did have Ultimate CF SL 8 Aero and now I have Aeroad CFR. Didn't notice a huge difference in terms of climbing. Maybe because Aeroad is even lighter (7.3) than my Ultimate (7.5)
Possibly so! It’s out the saddle where I felt it the most. The ultimate felt flicker and more nimble. Whereas the aeroad was really propulsive in the saddle but as soon as I got out it felt dead. I did ride a size L. What size is your bike as this could have something to do with it?
@@cyclingunboxed I had Ultimate in M and now went size up with Aeroad.
Not sure TT bike with drop bar is a compliment. The aero is a very specialised machine that comprises a lot in other areas.
That’s a fair comment l. I should have elaborated further in the video.
What I was trying to get across was the sensation of speed on the bike.
The Aeroad gathers and maintains speed like a TT bike. It’s a road bike that makes it easy to be fast. So in this one particular category it has the attributes of how a TT bike feels in terms of sedation of speed
do u own both bikes?
I don’t. I own neither of these bikes. They were lent to me for the day by Canyon
I’ve had both of these bikes, currently have the Ultimate CF SLX 8 Launch Edition (also arctic blue). I agree with most of this!
I will say, you really should go get a bike fit. Your position is WAY too high… or if you’ve gotten a fit, never use them again and go find a more experienced fitter.
Just got the Canyon Ultimate over the much more popular Aeroad. I have no regrets. 😤Not sure why ppl are much higher on the Aeroad.
To compare comfort you should have the same wheels, tyres and pressure.
This is very true . Makes a massive difference. The schwalbe pro one and the gp5000 are a very similar performing tyre and the aeroad was 28/28 whereas the ultimate 25/28. The ultimate was still more comfortable from the frame. Noticeably more
I always choose abroad 🏝️
😂 damn auto correct. Thank you!
Ez answer: the new aeroad
I want to try and get my hands on one when it’s officially released
I don't think 70km on each bike is enough. Just to dial a fit on a bike it takes me weeks.
I have ridden the aeroad before so it wasn’t hard to get the fit the same. Especially very easy to get them both the same as they are the same geometry
Everday Ultimate. Weekend Aeroad.
Odd. I guess mileage varies... I took to the Aeroad like a duck to water, no "learning curve" needed. One person. One opinion.
Raleigh Chopper all the way. Heavy, poor handling, gears less than ideal but cool.
You need A XL FRAME
The Ultimate would have been cooler if it had white Canyon decals. This is why no one looked at you on the bike.
It’s a good theory. I would quite like to see a custom paint job to see what it would look like with white decals
abroad hahah
😂 damn auto correct. Thank you!
100% agree aeroad rides like a dog
Tbh just personal opinion no one 😊
That’s totally fair. You don’t have to like them do you. As a bike, for me as well, there are better bikes out there.
@@cyclingunboxed i will stick with venge and sl8 . But everyone is free to choose what they want to make them happy . 😊
Endurace
Never a canyon because the bikes may be ok but not better than anything else on the market. They tell people to go to the local bike shop with problems but don’t let the bike shop make profit on the bikes. Pretty shitty business model for clients and shops…u pay more in the end 😊
Agreed!
Boring