I understand the looks thing as looks are subjective but the sound?? The V8 sounds exactly the same and it's been proven in many many other reviews 😂😂😂😂
@@MrVroom1 Does the new one not have a OPF/filter in the exhaust due to emissions regs? This in my head would surely make the older one the louder and more exciting exhaust note.
@@MrVroom1 your opinion. More supporting opinions would disagree with you. Jaguar have retuned it. The older one had WAY more pops, bangs, gurgles. Was mental. This clearly isn't.
As a 40+ year old, tiff was the first proper drifting journalist/driver that I would watch on tv. His ability to drive a car way beyond its limit and chat like your having beers down the pub is legendary!
When the BMW M2 Competition came out, I think BMW kinda ruined the appeal of the F80 series M4. Then this CS comes out, and I reckon you'd be a bit stupid to consider the old M4. This new one is tbc... but if the M3 gets a touring model, I'm all in!
Like if you are here for Tiff. Love this man and the original Top Gear boys! Can't stand others on UA-cam who are just concerned with "Insta flexing" they possess no skill unlike Tiff who's a genuine F1 driver and not a paid driver either
I actually like it, I had the regular one on my M2 and it's always felt to much thin for me, replaced it with the V2 and I am an happy guy. I do have to note that I can easily hold a basketball with the palm of my hand.
Great review. Where I live in the US, BMWs are fairly common. I drive an F30, there are four more BMWs on my block, and they are often seen around town. Jaguar, particularly the F-Type, is very rare, even though my local dealer sells both brands. I believe it's down to pricing and service costs. It really stands out as a beautiful exotic car here. I love the looks of the coupe. Still have a love of Jaguar I suppose. Back in the day, I owned a '67 XKE for a year or so. Sold it when I had to move for work.....a common but sad story I suppose.
What a review! You guys killed it! Needless to say i enjoyed it so much,thanks for your time and dedication to your channel,the results speak for themselves!
M2 I owned; great. F-Type I owned; stupendous! The sound track, the looks, it just doesn't compare. A drive in the M2 is nice. A drive in the F-Type is an occasion, an event!!!
Tiff, please do us the audience a favor, when you bring a car sideways like the master you are, make sure to use your classic 5th gear phrase...Scandinavian flick! Also wanted to say, enjoying this channel very much. Cheers from New York City!
Cup2s (best available) vs Pzeros (worst available) are worth 4-6 secs per lap. I have both a JB4 BMW 135i M package dynoed at 420HP (4100 lbs cuz covertible) and an F-Type V8S (3650 lb convertible) tuned and dynod at 695 HP and the Jaguar is a full 2.5 secs faster to 60 mph. The Jag is a 10, the BMW is a 5 on a good day. Seriously, we are talking about a ridiculously upgraded economy car vs the best GT in the the history of the automobile. I also have $54,000 in relentless repairs in my 135i and a 6 ft long oil spill on its side of the driveway, vs a battery change under warranty on the Jag. It was $25,000 just for the BMW mastertech to tear down the engine to fish the VANOS bolts out of the oil pan and get it back up to speed. Two weeks of labor.
The F Type wins hands down. It's a great all round car. I can drive mine sensibly and get 35mpg but switch on the Dynamic and Sports mode and drift the back out at will plus the pops, crackles and bangs the car makes gives it a massive fun factor.
Those were some gorgeous and crisp clips of Noodles flicking the M2 CS into smoke. Loved it! Beautiful comparison Paul and Noodles. I would have the M2 CS.... I love BMW XD
Part of buying a small sports coupe for most people is about the fun factor of how RWD acts. That's why AWD's manageability in the wet isn't a huge deal for a car like these. Also, the old F-Type looks better.
Lovecars agreed, my dealership has told me they can remap the engine to 322 kw under warranty and that may be my best move and wait for the next incarnation. Thanks for your response and all the best. Subbed.
Anyone else remember Tiff doing the most ridiculously awesome drift whilst testing the E60 M5 when it first came out? Can’t remember the track but it was an Interlargos Blue car.
Just a moment - that was a manual BMW M2 CS against a standard F-Type P450, Automatic, AWD and less than a second slower round a track, in the dry. A stunning win for Jaguar, surely?
M2 Cs for me . Rear wheel drive manual sports coupe is just fun . The jag is still a great all round car . It tethers on a m8 coupe comparison so it’s hard to pass up on the m8 .
My world, the M2 is a masterpiece and every hardcore version keeps refining one of the best BMW currently available and the one that gets closer to the original BMW formula
I test drove the M2 Comp and M4 along with the F-Type R (v8 550hp). Although I loved the M2 Comp, the drama and power of the Jaguar make it soooo much more fun for me. Also looks are no comparison. On a track, no doubt the M2 is better, but day to day - it's exhaust is lame (couldn't hear much with the windows down even) and looks just ok imo. F-Type is all on - crazy sound, huge HP and crazy good looks.. I got the F-Type and LOVE it.
How did no one mention the adjustable suspension on the CS vs the non-adjustable on normal M2 Comp when they were speaking about the two? That is probably the number one selling point for me vs the Comp since it could be better on both road and track.
I think if you lived by a track and drove around there all the time, the BMW is unquestionably going to be better. For the rest of us who have to drive everywhere on poor quality B roads, you're going to get a lot more enjoyment from the Jag, even if just for the better exhaust note. It's probably still firm enough to drive you up the pole. The BMW will be even harsher, because all modern BMWs have suspension made out of scaffolding poles and tyres made out of concrete.
I have the performance race steering wheel on my f10 m5 competition and find it to be the perfect balance. The upper half is really chunky especially around the led cluster for people like myself with bigger hands and the lower half is thinner then the standard wheel. Also covered in alcantara so best of all worlds. If you don't mind paying the £1400 premium that is
Doesn’t this engine use valvetronic meaning the throttle plate is all the way open under almost any load and variable valve timing/lift to control power.
I don’t understand why someone would choose a Manual, probably because I’ve just started driving.. but why is it so much better than a DCT Gearbox? In my eyes faster shifting = better?
BMW or JAG? 👇
BMW without hesitation. I want one 😫
That jag definitely 🤩
BWM for me. RWD & manual and handles like a dream. Soon, you will no longer see cars like this made any more.
Bmw
@@mo-lt1jw mi to
Tiff sliding a BMW M2 CS, beautiful 😭😭😭 I much prefer the older F-Types looks and mean V8 sound, it was glorious.
Same here!
Smile for the camera while pulling a ridiculous slide💥💥 There's only one Tiff✅
I understand the looks thing as looks are subjective but the sound?? The V8 sounds exactly the same and it's been proven in many many other reviews 😂😂😂😂
@@MrVroom1 Does the new one not have a OPF/filter in the exhaust due to emissions regs? This in my head would surely make the older one the louder and more exciting exhaust note.
@@MrVroom1 your opinion. More supporting opinions would disagree with you. Jaguar have retuned it. The older one had WAY more pops, bangs, gurgles. Was mental. This clearly isn't.
James May was right: Tiff CAN have a casual chat while holding a car sideways!
He certainly was!
As a 40+ year old, tiff was the first proper drifting journalist/driver that I would watch on tv. His ability to drive a car way beyond its limit and chat like your having beers down the pub is legendary!
and while being old
Tiff took 2nd or 3rd at LeMans, he’s seriously skilled.
Instant pleasure to see Tiff drifting on the track. He's going to do it until he's 100 years old and after :)
thank you very much!
Love the sound of the F-Type, raw old school growl 🔥
True!! 🎵
M2 CS is a really special model!
RWD + MT and you can have fun all day long! Who's better to prove it than Tiff? 😁👍
Thank you!!
When the BMW M2 Competition came out, I think BMW kinda ruined the appeal of the F80 series M4. Then this CS comes out, and I reckon you'd be a bit stupid to consider the old M4. This new one is tbc... but if the M3 gets a touring model, I'm all in!
Like if you are here for Tiff. Love this man and the original Top Gear boys! Can't stand others on UA-cam who are just concerned with "Insta flexing" they possess no skill unlike Tiff who's a genuine F1 driver and not a paid driver either
We will like this too :)
I'm a huge Tiff fan . I just love to see him driving and talking about cars. I'd watch any car show he's on.
I’ve grown up with Tiff. The original DK. Sorry Chris Harris....
M2CS driven by Tiff is just poetry in motion! I was lucky enough to experience his driving at Thruxton in an E92M3! 😃💪
Cheers Mikey! Tiff does the Thruxton thing in an M4 now!
Lovecars I’ll definitely give that a go!!!! 😃 👍. Wish I knew they were at llandow, I only live down the road😂
@@lovecarsTV E92M3 was a V8 though, did they make a CS of that?
@@davidpeters6536 nope. Gtr
I'd love to see a drift-off between Tiff and Chris Harris!
Anyone else??
Haha we’d love to see that!
YES YES YES YES YES .... :)
YES PLEASE!!!!
Hell yes that would be great cause they are both sore losers
There is an episode of Chris Harris and tiff on track at the same time, Harris talks about it on a Rogan podcast
😂 “smile for the camera” while drifting. Looking good there boss!!
😂
As an M4 CS owner I can confirm the steering wheel is too damned thick.
Yes about the wheel. And nice car!
I don’t understand BMW’s obsession with it. People have been moaning about this for years. Yet someone at BMW keeps insisting on it. WHYYY.
I actually like it, I had the regular one on my M2 and it's always felt to much thin for me, replaced it with the V2 and I am an happy guy. I do have to note that I can easily hold a basketball with the palm of my hand.
If you have little girls hands maybe but I have no problem with mine
@@rare6499 If you have big hands, like me, than it is perfect, if they are small.....
The shots of Tiff drifting that M2 round those corners 🤤🤤🤤🤤 great video as always guys 👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it Blair!
Seeing Tiff with a manual transmission and a round steering wheel
Luvee it 😍
Thanks for watching!
Two lovely cars. It's expensive, but the M2 CS is a proper weapon and you can get four people in it too. Let's hope the next M2 stays RWD.
Good point with the whole world moving towards AWD..!
Lovecars fwd actually
It will be rwd and it's going to be built in the Mexico plant
2 people and 2 kids without let's you mean?
I’ve heard the next-gen 2 series will maintain RWD, even though the 1 is now FWD.
Great review. Where I live in the US, BMWs are fairly common. I drive an F30, there are four more BMWs on my block, and they are often seen around town. Jaguar, particularly the F-Type, is very rare, even though my local dealer sells both brands. I believe it's down to pricing and service costs. It really stands out as a beautiful exotic car here. I love the looks of the coupe.
Still have a love of Jaguar I suppose. Back in the day, I owned a '67 XKE for a year or so. Sold it when I had to move for work.....a common but sad story I suppose.
More of the same old Tiff. What a blessing. No irony whatsoever. Seriously!
The world is ok if Tiff is still drifting. More Tiff drifts please!
Where we can, we will!
Wow the fpv drone camera work, paired with tiff's drifts. Pure class. Appreciate the efforts very much.
Thank you for the kind words!
Great channel. Glad I found you guys. Always glad to see Tiff driving and talking.
Thanks Burt!
Tiff your a legend! 💪👍
Thank you for the kind words Sean!
Big agree to that "other Sean Michael" haha 😂
*You’re*
They nailed the f type in design 👌🏽😍
Glad you like it 🙂
God... Watching Tiff sliding that m2 around the track is so exciting. I couldn't breathe while Tiff was drifting like only he can do.
This comment had us LOL'ing! Thank you very much!!
M2 CS is a keeper!!! Thank you Tiff!
Thanks for watching!
Great vid guys - BMW will love Tiff's track work with the M2CS - Best advertisement they could get and the car deserves it
Thank you!
Love seeing Tiff drive cars like this, he’s still the best!
Haha he’s pretty good isn’t he!
Tiff is a legend. Can’t get enough of him. I am just too shy to walk up to him and say hi when I see him at fancy car events.
You should muster the courage next time 👍🏻
Tiff just part of your life as a uk car nut over the last 30 years and hasn't tried to change for fashions. 100% himself.
Those M2 wheels are gorgeous!
They have divided opinion in the gold.
That drifting drone shot is pure gold.
Thank you very much. Got a bit close at one point :)
Saw Tiff and clicked immediately. His driving is a joy to watch.
Thanks 🙏
The f type is a desirable car but the M2 CS is my kind of car too
It's a dream car for me 😍
Both awesome cars!
Watching Tiff drifting the life out of the M2! What a joy!
😂👍🏻
How have missed this channel? Production values! Blimey! Tiff! Subscribed, supported through Patreon.
Thank you so much Edward, support is hugely appreciated 🙂
It was BRILLIANT to see Tiff drifting AND doing the fast laps!
Thanks Steve!
Paul and Tiff I asked for track vids last month and now you have delivered. Top lads!
We couldn’t let you down now could we?!
You 2 make such a good pairing....i will take the Jag please
Thank you for the kind words Robert!
Great chanel this one, and much much love and respect for Tiff 👏👏
Thank you, be sure to stick around for more!
The M2 might be better on a track, but the Jag will get you all the right sort of attention on the road ;)
Funny you should say this, on the roads it was quite funny to witness which cars obtained attention from certain age groups etc.
Tiff still one one the best drivers on TV!! A pleasure watching him!!!
He’s a bit of a legend!
What a review! You guys killed it! Needless to say i enjoyed it so much,thanks for your time and dedication to your channel,the results speak for themselves!
Thank you so much for watching and your kind words!
The CS is definitely a dream car!
Indeed, for many!
lord above that m2 is such a beauty... easily one of my favorite designs of the past decade. really going to miss this one when it's replaced.
It has been very loved!
The best video of you guys, Tiff at his best.
Thanks Ruben!
When the M2 started drifting, my hearth skiped a beat 😍
It’s beautiful isn’t it?!
I had forgotten about Tiff... nice to see him again
Lots of videos with him on the channel, be sure to take a look back. Lots of new ones coming too!
the man with the drone has got some skills
Thank you! He's pretty sick!
Gotta Love Tiff's driving skills , I would love to compare a normal M2 Competition to this CS one Paul and Tiff , Great Video
Thank you!
Would have my M2 CS in that spec, looks absolutely badass.
Excellent spec Zack 😁👌
0:33 my dad when I go shopping with him
😂
M2 I owned; great. F-Type I owned; stupendous! The sound track, the looks, it just doesn't compare. A drive in the M2 is nice. A drive in the F-Type is an occasion, an event!!!
Very well said.
Just pucked up a 2018 F-Type R
Tiff, please do us the audience a favor, when you bring a car sideways like the master you are, make sure to use your classic 5th gear phrase...Scandinavian flick!
Also wanted to say, enjoying this channel very much. Cheers from New York City!
Thanks for watching 🙂
Cup2s (best available) vs Pzeros (worst available) are worth 4-6 secs per lap. I have both a JB4 BMW 135i M package dynoed at 420HP (4100 lbs cuz covertible) and an F-Type V8S (3650 lb convertible) tuned and dynod at 695 HP and the Jaguar is a full 2.5 secs faster to 60 mph. The Jag is a 10, the BMW is a 5 on a good day. Seriously, we are talking about a ridiculously upgraded economy car vs the best GT in the the history of the automobile. I also have $54,000 in relentless repairs in my 135i and a 6 ft long oil spill on its side of the driveway, vs a battery change under warranty on the Jag. It was $25,000 just for the BMW mastertech to tear down the engine to fish the VANOS bolts out of the oil pan and get it back up to speed. Two weeks of labor.
Ouch!
Great video guys and some wonderful driving! Keep up the good work!
Thanks Daniel!
The M2 is .. (cant believe im saying this) a very "sensible" choice here.
🙂
What a driver tiff is, national treasure.
So true!
The F Type wins hands down. It's a great all round car. I can drive mine sensibly and get 35mpg but switch on the Dynamic and Sports mode and drift the back out at will plus the pops, crackles and bangs the car makes gives it a massive fun factor.
Brilliant 👏👏👏
Can you get windscreen wipers fitted to the side windows ? Looks like Tiff needs them 😂
Haha thanks Ped! Luckily we managed to dodge the rain despite the forecast showing 80% chance!!!
Nice production and pretty cool having an M2 CS to film
888MF driving comparison vid with 718 GT4?🤔
Thank you Mr 888
Excellent video and very entertaining as usual,you guys need your own TV show.
We filmed one last year. Our TV show should be going live very soon 🙂
Liked, partly because of the very sensible conclusion at the end.
Thank you 🙏
Those were some gorgeous and crisp clips of Noodles flicking the M2 CS into smoke. Loved it! Beautiful comparison Paul and Noodles. I would have the M2 CS.... I love BMW XD
Thanks for watching!
Part of buying a small sports coupe for most people is about the fun factor of how RWD acts. That's why AWD's manageability in the wet isn't a huge deal for a car like these.
Also, the old F-Type looks better.
Good points. Thanks for watching!
Ah the dilemma, do I sell my Comp and buy a CS or wait for the next model. 🧐
Now that is a difficult one as the Comp is already such an amazing car!
Lovecars agreed, my dealership has told me they can remap the engine to 322 kw under warranty and that may be my best move and wait for the next incarnation. Thanks for your response and all the best. Subbed.
Anyone else remember Tiff doing the most ridiculously awesome drift whilst testing the E60 M5 when it first came out? Can’t remember the track but it was an Interlargos Blue car.
Yes, take a look at out history of the M5 feature where he does a little bit of slidey stuff with the e28 and f90 😉
Nice! Great way to start a Sunday!
Cheers Alan!
The V6s f type makes 450bhp with lower pulley and tune plus it's 223kg lighter than this awd p450
Yes spot on
How would the F-Type R compare on track? Hopefully it’s better round corners.
Would be great to see!
Lucky enough to own an M2 comp!! Yet to drive a CS but I just know it'll be fantastic! M2 anyday!
We love the M2 Comp, great choice 👍🏻
I'm loving those gold wheels. Wouldn't mind a set on my M2 Comp. Weren't an option when I spec'd it 😢. Awesome driving Tiff. You legend.
Yeah you can buy them from BMW directly, but they are a smidge pricey 🙂
@@lovecarsTV Erm, yep. You're not wrong! Shan't be buying them then!
Rippin it through the track and talking like he’s at his aunt’s house having tea.
Tiff Needell never disappoints ...
True!
Tiff is a legend
The Jag is perfect as a GT,looks great, drives good, spunds awsome the BMW is a perfect sports car.
Tiff + M Car = instant play!
So true!!
Wait for the M2 to drop below £40k then snap it up. Got E46 CSL appreciation written all over it.
Tiff is like wine, better with age... He is a very good presenter!!
👌🏻
Just a moment - that was a manual BMW M2 CS against a standard F-Type P450, Automatic, AWD and less than a second slower round a track, in the dry. A stunning win for Jaguar, surely?
Tiff is still best in business at throwing cars around
He’s very talented!
M2 Cs for me . Rear wheel drive manual sports coupe is just fun . The jag is still a great all round car . It tethers on a m8 coupe comparison so it’s hard to pass up on the m8 .
My world, the M2 is a masterpiece and every hardcore version keeps refining one of the best BMW currently available and the one that gets closer to the original BMW formula
👌🏻👌🏻
Shout out to the DRONE PILOT !
😉
M2CS and Tiff = Great content
Thanks!
3:05 that drone came a little close
Haha just a smidge 😉
Now this was a top notch video.👌 Great job! PS: for the price I would skip both and get a 2020 Giulia Quadrifoglio.
Thank you and interesting choice, although we were focusing on coupes this time 🙂
I test drove the M2 Comp and M4 along with the F-Type R (v8 550hp). Although I loved the M2 Comp, the drama and power of the Jaguar make it soooo much more fun for me. Also looks are no comparison. On a track, no doubt the M2 is better, but day to day - it's exhaust is lame (couldn't hear much with the windows down even) and looks just ok imo. F-Type is all on - crazy sound, huge HP and crazy good looks.. I got the F-Type and LOVE it.
Yeah it is a shame about the lack of noise from the M2 😞
Let’s do a drag race of Jaguar F-Type P450 vs BMW M2 CS vs Audi RS3 vs Mercedes-AMG A45S
Would be fun.
I would take the jaguar because it‘s better value and has a v8
Nice
It's definitely the best looking.
It won't be better value in 5 years..
superfast. Yep, the CS stands to be the best version of one of BMW’s best cars
How did no one mention the adjustable suspension on the CS vs the non-adjustable on normal M2 Comp when they were speaking about the two? That is probably the number one selling point for me vs the Comp since it could be better on both road and track.
I think if you lived by a track and drove around there all the time, the BMW is unquestionably going to be better. For the rest of us who have to drive everywhere on poor quality B roads, you're going to get a lot more enjoyment from the Jag, even if just for the better exhaust note. It's probably still firm enough to drive you up the pole. The BMW will be even harsher, because all modern BMWs have suspension made out of scaffolding poles and tyres made out of concrete.
I have the performance race steering wheel on my f10 m5 competition and find it to be the perfect balance. The upper half is really chunky especially around the led cluster for people like myself with bigger hands and the lower half is thinner then the standard wheel. Also covered in alcantara so best of all worlds. If you don't mind paying the £1400 premium that is
Ouch!
Tiff is back again...love it...😁👍
Lots more to come!
My M2 CS has an MSO/MCO (a legal document: the Car's "Birth Certificate") generated by BMW at time of assembly that states it has a 405 HP engine.
My choice BMW M2, very good video, Brazil.
Love that M2 CS but the M2C is more my price range! 😁😂
Think that is the case for a lot of us 😉
M2 CS is insane. Some lucky owners who managed to get one of those. Only one on Autotrade and that’s £93k 🤯
😧
Damn, this ol' bastard can drive!!
Less of the old!! 😉
On track “sport” setting for throttle is more accurate since it’s 1:1 ratio of application to opening of throttle plate
Thanks for the info.
Doesn’t this engine use valvetronic meaning the throttle plate is all the way open under almost any load and variable valve timing/lift to control power.
If u think about it it’s worth the price difference to the competition because it will aprshate in value after a few years
Bro that m2 is manual? I didn't know they came in manual. What a dream car.
Yes all the M2 models come with a manual option 👍🏻
I don’t understand why someone would choose a Manual, probably because I’ve just started driving.. but why is it so much better than a DCT Gearbox? In my eyes faster shifting = better?
Jaguar have ruined the F-Type imo with those front lights 🤨