Listen, SimTrack and Dovetail. We've had ENOUGH of these Payware Re-skins ~ A Train Sim World 4 Rant
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- Опубліковано 6 гру 2023
- Just when you thought the recent 'GaMEpLAy PaCk' spam wasn't annoying enough, here comes SimTrack - a new 3rd-party developer - to add even more unwanted dribble. For their first Train Sim World 4 add-on, all they're doing is a payware reskin for the Class 323 on the Cross City Line, depicting unit No. 323221 in the Centro / Regional Railways livery as a modern-day heritage unit. That is a very bad look for your business, to start off with a pointless reskin that no-one asked for.
I hate gameplay packs because a) they are lazy cash-grabs and b) they add barely anything new to their respective routes, and it just looks to me like the higher-ups at DTG and Focus are so out-of-touch with their customers that they seriously think more gameplay packs are a good idea. - Ігри
Problem is people buy them
Honestly people are just too lazy to make there own reskin
Or better yet get em at creators club
They could've made the soho depot part of the line with this missed opportunity
At this rate I think they’re just putting out whatever content they can to sell, no matter how bad or pointless it may be. They might stop with the gameplay packs eventually, but I still see them making short and linear routes with only one new train for a while longer until the cash cow finally runs dry. Right now, Dovetail is on life support…
In my opninion they should fix older routes too, as a free update ofcourse. They should also add more branches to existing dlcs.
I don't expect any route extensions (even though SEHS needs to have the Sheerness Branch added), but I would at least like DTG and - especially - Rivet Games to update the existing routes to bring them up to a good standard of quality.
@@DC4260ProductionsYeah, I totally agree with everything you say about tsw (I don't have tsc). I won't buy anything new, except if it has some quality. I won't be spending my money on some people who don't even try to do a good job. Everywhere I see are large and smaller problems. For example still no announcements or the PIS on order US routes have a British model. And the worst part is it is even getting worse! 10 euros for something like a gameplay pack! My passion for trains is big, but if Dovetail Games and third party developers keep rushing new routes and only reskins, I will leave this game and look somewhere else. Hopefully you can reach a lot of people, so Dovetail needs to do something about it. I love your content by the way! Greetings from Luxembourg!
I currently own TS Classic with some routes from many years ago and I'm interested to get into the genre again. Would sticking with TS Classic be a better idea or is switching to TSW a valid option, if so, which TSW version would you recommend? I'm not a heavy train simmer if that matters.
After I read the title My brain was already like: Y E S
What I would pay a 5£ for:
-well made livery with licensed operator that wasn’t in the game before
-adds existing rolling stock to at least one additional route
-minimum 5 scenarios
-full scale timetable implementation (80-200 services depending on route type), but proper runs! Not just 5 minute services that would otherwise just be AI services to make a single station look busier. Also not just substitution but actual new services
That would be what I‘d call a “gameplay pack“
Issue with seeing a license not seen in tsw is whether they are willing to give permission. Some tocs say absolutely not or the license is very difficult to obtain. Some are easy to get. So it would have to be a operator already in tsw.
Sometimes a full scale timetable implementation is less than that. A railtour pack for example would just have a couple services. A loco dlc aka new train might be something a route needs to really add traffic depending on the rolling stock.
TSW4 is nearly 3 months old and it’s already received THREE add-ons that are practically worthless and contain content that should’ve been included with the route for free. Quite embarrassing for SimTrack to put themselves in the same realm as Skyhook and Rivet with their first ever product.
Blackpool route is worth it
Im sick of paying dovetail any money when they dont ever put enough effort into the dlcs to warrant the asking price they are just scam artists in every single possible way
Hear hear
I’m tired of them releasing a new game every time I turn around. I mean seriously I bought tsw3 then not even a few months later there is tsw4 which I didn’t buy because to me the stuff they did doesn’t justify a new game or paying for said new game. Just update the old one for crying out loud
Stop paying them. Stop the cycle of abuse. Yes they have a monopoly on train sims on console and a dominant hand on PC, but it doesn't make it right. Move on to other games. You can't just keep buying into this nonsense year after year hoping it will get any better. In fact look at the last 4 years, it's a continuous DOWNWARD trend in quality. They have you hooked on their business model. Yes I get it, people like trains. But, you may as well just play the routes you already have (if they're older, they're better anyhow) as they won't go away. Let this company fail. It's the only way these kinds of people ever learn.
@@KentuckyAk101guyYou did the right thing. Just stop giving this awful developer any of your money.
@@KentuckyAk101guy well it looks like a yearly thing
Thanks to your video I did not buy this garbage. Do you recommend Preston - Blackpool & Ormskirk Route Add-On?
Definitely
It isn't garbage.
It’s sad to see the game’s potential wasted on pointless “gameplay packs” that nobody asked for. Keep up the constructive criticism.
Ah the shade of yellow for the front end looks so poor lol
Watch them get the license from LNER to make some of the special 801 liveries (slight changes to the livery) and sell them
I think I know the liveries you're own about (rainbow 801226 and LNER centenary 801228), and I won't be surprised if they get made into a gameplay pack.
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga yeah those ones, definitely a cash grab opportunity for dtg there, we'd get that before the 91 for sure
@RailsOfIllinois to be perfectly honest I don't know if I'd throw Skyhook in with the others.
Unlike the actual developers there actually LISTENING (capitalised due to the lack of developers who do) to the community. And we've seen this with the MML instead of being thrown out like a DTG or rivet product be worked on and even now it's still being fished and even reworked to make it more realistic.
Yes the release was horrible but atleast skyhook aren't just letting people moan and acting like the issues don't exist.
Now as for the rest... yeah there not particularly good...
Well, SimTrack just announced a green 104 and freight pack
That's actually something I'll consider buying, but it doesn't change my views on this 323 reskin.
@@DC4260Productions I know, just a tidbit of information I thought you'd find interesting. There wasn't anywhere else relevant that I could tell you
Thank you for the information. Just a question please, it's been one month and there is still no more information in regards to the Class 101 and freight pack. Is there anymore information please, do you know if it'll come to PS4 please and how much it'll be in British Pound Sterling please???.
im just hoping for the Sdjr to be put in tsw.
The 323 reskin hasnt backdated the interior its still got the wmr referbished interior.
because it's based on their centro reskin which they have on their 323 at the moment in real life duh
Ive had debates with people over the gameplay packs and the depth they went in to just to try their best in justifying the pack at whatever cost...
And all the devs ever do is quote licensing, costs and time as to why routes, rolling stock and motive power don't get made
Wait is this simrail the same simrail the one who made the polish train simulator game?
No.
This is made by SimTrack. Simrail isn't making dlc's for tsw
It doesn't say simrail. It says SimTrack Studios.
No this is Simtrack. Completely different developers. Please don’t get those confused lol.
Oooh ah I see. Thank you.
My only route wishlist is avanti west coast with class 390 i mean surely dovetail would be able to get the license for that atleast
Do they need avanti then the could try and use the virgin trains livery similar to how skyhook got east Midlands trains
@@declangaming24 yeah thats true i kind of prefered the virgin trains livery to be honest and if they did release it people could make the avanti livery for creators club i guess
Sadly that might not happen as DTG had lost their licences to first group, first group being the one who owned avanti. Hence why there is a lack of modern routes related to first group such as west Cornwall local, had to do the BR era because they didn’t have the license to do it anymore.
@@declangaming24if they are able to. iirc, the virgin trains branded content in tsc was removed
I guess they are still learning the systems. I guess they try to get paid from us for their leaning/training time.
I already have that same reskin for free from the livery designer 😂 it is not a good start for the company.
You're not wrong there.
i already have a 323 regionalrail livery from the creator club
Exactly bro they forgot creators club existed
Same here
its the 172 that runs from Birmingham - Hereford not the 170
no it's their new 196's
I'll be buying the Cargo Line Petroleum pack, 16 new scenarios across 2 routes if nothing more is a good expansion to gameplay.
I can't stop you from buying that pack if that's what you want to spend your money on, but I still disagree on it being a good extension to gameplay.
Wich is compounded by everything being 200% of a reasonable asking price due to the severity of cutting corners and fourth ,only being absent on indipendant routes , whonder why , couldnt be because they arent motivated by only bonuses at JT/TSG.....
Dlc content I’d pay for is if they released additional scenario/timetable packs for existing routes whether it includes a new loco or not, but they just abandon routes and it’s beyond frustrating. They have zero problem having freight and passenger scenarios on British and German routes but the US routes they give you bs promises for adding freight and never do and tease you with static freight cars in routes that don’t have it and when you try to contact them they ignore you everytime and when or if they ever add custom consist’s it will render these livery packs useless entirely as you can just plug creator club livery into scenario/timetable mode and have what the devs refuse to fix. Cajon pass STILL DOESNT HAVE THE UNION PACIFIC es44c4 fixed it just shows up as these annoying blue non lettered locos and even if you payed for the UP sd70aCe and even tho on cajon they appear on the route you still can’t use them on cajon. I’m so over it these problems are literally 5 minute fixes and they just ignore it while making 35-40 million a year
Harlem, NY-Trenton, Boston-providence, and antelope valley all have static freight you never get to touch, horseshoe curve has one single yard Scenario despite having four yards, cajon pass, peninsula corridor both have industries all over the place you never get a scenario for, Cheyenne-Laramie has very minimal industry scenarios and the ones that are on there are point a, swap five tankers, replace with 5 tankers, back to point A. Done. Beyond irritating I’d pay 10-20$ for additional scenario/timetable packs just to have more than 100 scenarios in a route with half of those being repeats. If they make excuses saying it can’t handle more I’ll always bring up the numerous British routes that have 1500-3000+ plus and there’s zero issues with those
Oakville, cajon pass, Cheyenne, antelope valley, sand patch, have Amtrak long distance or Canada via rail p42’s yet still zero passenger service. New York-Trenton on tsw2 had sw1500 Amtrak and csx gp40-2 (both loco dlc have never been transferred over left forgotten)
If they had like a million Joe's then maybe we could see improved timetables. No really, if a timetable needs improving massively, it's going to be Joe who takes initiative but he can't do everything by himself. Unless the other timetable guys don't make any new content at all to make it happen on all the older content. With content constantly being made, dtg would need a new team just on creating new tts. Remember the preservation crew doesn't exist anymore
You make a good point, Mr. Park.
A lack of a 170 or ANY of the turbostar family in TSW 2/3/4 always bothered me since forever. I always hated the fact that the lack of it always hindered the ECW, and BCC routes in everyway shape or form. If ScamTrack wanted to do the Centro livery for the 323, Why not restore it to its 1990s condition and include a retro timetable for it instead, Included would be the Class 304(Which ironically have ALSO ran on the Cathcart Circle Lines), Class 308, and class 310 Units to run alongside the 323 in the transitional period. OR if youre going to make the class 323 Reskin payware at the very least include it alongside A Class 170
Those suggestions are so good that they're too much for these lazy developers to even comprehend.
A fiver for a single reskin? lol, they're just asking for people to pirate it
Maybe they should have done a Class 153 DMU as its only a single car unit. I bet a freeware reskin will come up somewhere that will be similar.
I would like to see that train on tsw
That's why if I start my third party company for the partner program, I'll make sure that my first planned route will have two new pieces being the class 350 and 86
Mine would be the 21.5 miles of the Sheffield Supertram set in the modern day there is street running sections and running on its own sections on standard guage 2 pieces of motive power Class 399 tram train and the siemens duewag tram you would get all the livery actually on the fleet and be able to drive across the entire network with 7 scenarios and a full timetable. 4 lines blue Halfway - Malin Bridge, yellow Meadowhall interchange - middlewood park and ride, purple herdings park - Cathedral but could also change destination and go to Meadowhall or halfway for example could be a scenario for that and the tram train cathedral - Rotherham Parkgate using the class 399
How bad is going to bi what is this 323
Being honest, here in my country (Chile) everything is like super cheap, (like 20$ for thr costier routes), like atleast its better than paying like 100$ for a plane like in plane sims
unless you people stop buying why should they stop ?
and i thought dovetail couldnt get any more scummy, bloody hell they are desperate for some cash
The problem is the same as with many other microtransactions in game - they won't stop doing them until there are enough idiots who buy them.
Still waiting for a decent American route Dtg........still waiting.
Even funnier at the fact that people can just recreate the liverys in question in the livery designer 😂
And were is our 156 as well 😂
Yeah, a 156 would be useful on the Midland Mainline route.
finaly someone says it! Cmon atleast ts classic tried to better them and you can have more resinks thanks to those. Also where is other countries? What about another route for françe? Or for spain! PLEASE DOVETAIL STOP AND MAKE A SPANISH ROUTE!
I agree with the 730/196/170 even though it’s been added not 730/196 they have their fucking licence use it
I think that - after the Cargo reskin shit from Skyhook - this is the worst payware reskin ever made for the game. I have used the livery editor one or two times (also on EMUs) and I am pretty sure it would only take 3--4 hours to create a decent implementation of this livery. At least we can now be pretty certain that SimTrack routes (if they ever make some) will not be something worth buying.
Skyhook isn't just doing reskins, these are completely new 3D Models.
Doesn't change the fact that the pack will be too expensive for what you get. Five liveries, only four scenarios and sixteen timetable mode services is not good enough.
Not everything is meant to be busy
I think i have figured put why these reskins packs exist. Console players. Other companies have done this before. For MSFS 2020 a company made a plane. The reakins are free on PC but on console they are really pricey. I guarantee if tsw wasnt a cross platform game these reskin packs wouldn't exist.
Yeah, people always say Dovetail produced the world's most expensive game. But MSFS has that beat by a long shot. But the way it is presented in MSFS makes people not blame Asobo.
2:54 that is also my argument about this ‘new’ 323
Edit - Can I link this video on the TSW forums?
You'll probably start a war with the fanboys, and they'll probably bully me in all sorts of nasty ways (without reason). I reckon the Dovetail moderators would either ignore the video or try to cancel me.
Let's be real, these packs are intended for console players. On PC you can get proper 3rd party reskins whereas on console you're limited to the creators club which itself is very limited, Hell on PC i've reached the max number of things you can subscribe to
It's not just art. These can also come with new passenger coaches or freight wagons, extra services and scenarios that are more in depth compared to scenario designer. In SD, you are limited in what you can do if some or most track is unusable and you can't really do complex procedures. Of course pc players have the editor.
Right with you. I certainly won’t be paying. Would be great if we got 730s on BCC!
BR colours
Still no AI serivices at Newstreet
Absolutely even if they wanted to do it they don't have accurate rolling stock that's why you endlessly see 323s
‘Cause nothing in TSW can layer on New St that I can think of
Livery dlc’s seems so pointless. There is a LIVERY DESIGNER in the game, why pay for something you or someone else can make for free?
It's much more than just liveries. You're paying for scenarios which were a thing since tsc existed. Those were more expensive for what you got. Idk if people were angry back then too
You have to bare in mind licensing and the owners rights. There are rules. That’s why you don’t see many say on CC as they get taken down due to copyright infringement or licensing issues. And they wonder why yet blame DTG. DTG has a responsibility to protect what goes on under fair use on its site and services. To protect against any miss use of trademarks they don’t have the rights of use. As they could also be liable and so could be the creator depending on the extent of breach on owners rights. “droit moral” Or the 4 Moral rights of copyright law,,,is a basic principle when copying anyones work,,,never mind a company.
Business is gonna do what business does, separate people from their money for the minimal input and maximum return. Always been so.
The customer is always right kinda doesn't apply to this scenario that saying is about the service offered to a customer in terms of honesty of how you describe a product which isn't really in debate it says it's a reskin and that it sure is, how you deal with subsequent issues with your product, if it had faults will they be rectified or refunded if it can be reasonably pinned on the business not the customer misusing the product. It doesn't mean you, to use an analogy, can walk into a green grocery and complain they have no meat and demand they become a butcher shop simply because you have money in your pocket to spend on something you desire, maybe a nice steak in this hypothetical situation, maybe a new route in the train simulator related one.
A better way to put it would be "understand your potential customers wants and needs"
Even then the idea of the customer being right has it's limitations because as any business owner past or present will tell you customers can be just as wrong as anyone else involved in the chain of transactions that brings you the end product.
This is the problems we as consumers tons of reskin packs not needed as we can make our own livery the only real one I don't mind are the Rail operations 37 that looks interesting it's a 37 with a special coupler, TPWS, modern sort of desk layout. It also includes a white non refurbished 375 which I agree should of had more variants. Route concepts that are so stupid and have ridiculous cut off points examples great western express London Paddington - Reading should of gone up to Bristol temple meads or Didcot parkway midland mainline Nottingham - Leicester - Derby should be Nottingham - Leicester - Derby - Sheffield. DTG are taking the piss with us and our wallets.
If you keep paying these scammers.... it's your problem. Only idiots buy their products nowdays.. TSW TSW2 TSW3 TSW4 TSWn, all are the same, like Train Sim.. They see that t here are idiots that keep buying, so now they started to sell even the same trains 🤣🤣
I buy it because it's the only train sim there is. Even though I'm a pc player, I have zero interest in other simulators like simrail or zusi as they lack in many ways.
Simrail has no singleplayer content and no save game. Even the tutorials can be questionable.
Zusi is too hardcore.
Derail valley is an arcade open world simulator.
Drs has some wonky controls and only the trains are realistic.
Hmmsim which I have is also too hardcore and from the consumer side, there is almost no updates and communication.
Other sims like railroader or century of steam are also not my interest.
So that leaves me with no other train sim.
I agree with your take on those other games (although I'd add Railroads Online to the list). TSW and TS classic are perhaps the only decent games that fit my interests, which is why I find the business practices of Dovetail and third-party developers to be so frustrating.
@@potatoman451 I bought TSW. Super excited. Was it good? It was/is awesome! I thing that we haven't seen anything like that before.
Then TSW2 came. I was like... ehhh I'll get this one too. I didn't notice any difference between the two, but I had to buy it to get the newest UK DLC. Then... TSW3 I was like, no. Enought. I've seen TSW4 and I can't tell the difference with TSW. Perhaps the wheels??
It's obvious to me that Dovetail forces people to get the newest TSWn in order to be able to buy other newer addons.. This will not stop if people don't react.
DTG are not scammers.
😂 1:29
I've also had enough of DTG releasing the same game over and over again too. Just with added bugs that will never get fixed!
I think my biggest 'gear grind' is seeing people act as company shills for devs, with THE tired excuse of 'would you work for free'. As if how much DTG pays their staff is anything to do with us as consumers!
I thought the fact that focus bought DTG would mean change for the better. All I see now is even WORSE way of development.
I actually enjoy these gameplay packs. Some of them add unique scenarios and services and it's nice to see some variation in the liveries. Some add additional freight wagon or passenger coaches. They also provide layering opportunities to future routes. The only ones I don't buy are the ones where I don't like the style of route. Some of these packs take a while to make or add a lot of things so some are well worth the price.
They aren't all bad and I'm more than happy to purchase these to add more gameplay to the route. It's not required to buy everything and I'll get what I like. The ones I have gotten have been really enjoyable.
Unique scenarios? From what I've seen, they are boring. This reskin doesn't even add new services
@@Atrail_Mckinley4786 I like the scenarios to some of the gameplay packs. They may seem boring to some, but I like it. For example, the switching demonstration with the sd40 and the fireworks scenario was fun. Some were just simple runs, but there were some interesting ones
Some are good like the bakerloo 72 pack the rail operations 37 and others but some others aren't as good
People, please quit buying these garbage cash grabs, it's the only way for DTG and their minions to wise up. I've often wondered if DUH-DISNEY is affiliated with DUH-DTG and of course, their minions? Wake up. Another grand review, as always.
Nah, mate. You've got the wrong company for Minions; turn left on to Illumination Street.
Once again, excellent points made in this video. It's probably worth pointing out that these reskin packs are becoming more abundant as it's cheap cash. Lowest effort possible to make money. The MSFS Marketplace is jammed with such crapware. The only difference is there's an epic ton of of weirdos that will buy that stuff vs TSW's miniscule player base. But even with a small player base there will always be the children and the barely technically competent geriatrics that will buy up such products because "ohh shiny!". And since they bring in some form of income, they'll keep getting made. But let's look on the plus side, we'll have plenty of laughs and entertainment from your channel when they pop up their ugly heads 🤣 So... Keep shovelling the crapware DTG & co! Free content here for UA-cam laughs!
It honestly shows that games like TRS19 is SO much better then Train Simulator Classic and TSW, not because there's more choice with whatthe Thomas fandom can do, but that fact there’s many reskins in game models and from what I can see, ALL OF THEM ARE FREE! I understand you've had enough of these payware reskins, and is expressing your opinion and sure, everyone deserves to be heard, but endlessly lashing out may be your donefall. I mean, look at Coppa for example. I only complained anout once. Just once. I haven’t complain about since I failed to appeal it. Again, I know you’ve had enough of it, but maybe try to let it go and focus on videos that you put more effort in.
Trs isn't even a real life train simulator lol. Plus it has its own problems and business decisions I don't like such as the subscription model in order to download quickly
TRS19 is terrible. Dovetail's products have problems, but at least it's not abyss quality like Auran's content.
@@petrichorbreeze Then don't buy the products. Simple as that.
I think your missing the point of this whole Simtrack pack, this is a community based third party, who has little to no development experience, these people arent gonna make sometiihg entirely new for the first time ever, as this is only 5 quid, you cant go wrong
Five pounds is too expensive for one livery, especially when people can easily get it for free off the Creator's Club. Regardless of SimTrack's lack of experience, it doesn't change the fact that this is a bad time for a new developer to release a gameplay pack as their first product.
@@DC4260Productionsfirst of all, there is actually 5 scenarios included with this pack, so it's not all just one livery, for a new developer, this is a good way to start off with something more simple, rather than being shoved in the deep end for the first time
@@Class422If we take a quick look at other packs that provide the same experience (scenarios, a new livery, yadeyadeya), such as the silver 1972 stock, they present better (not good, but better) value for money at £2.99. The additions to this new reskin are so minimal it’s laughable, when I’ve seen many mods online that recreate this livery easily, and to a high standard, for free. Yes I am aware that I, Tauranga nor anyone else relatively critical towards Dovetail or third party developers, can’t stop anyone from buying packs like this - it’s personal preference after all - but that doesn’t stop the criticism at all. Being a ‘new dev’ isn’t really an excuse when Just Trains hops into the TSW scene with one of the best TSW addons in terms of quality.
You've got a good point. Train Sim Germany and Just Trains knocked it out of the park with their Niddertalbahn and Blackpool routes respectively, which makes SimTrack's 323 reskin look very feeble by comparison.
@@nowapproachingytJTs however had experience before in TSC, so they had at least a foundation to build off of
I certainly won't be getting this. This should've been a free update. I'm tired of these payware reskins
This is such a pointless dlc this is just pure laziness at its very best why are we as players expected to pay any money for reskin packs i just dont get it
Why are you so angry all the time? You do know that you don't have to buy it, right? Nobody's holding a gun to your head.
Yes, I'm well aware of the fact that I don't have to buy the 323 reskin; that goes without saying. As for why I'm so angry / harsh in these videos, it's because I still enjoy playing TSW sometimes and I want it to be as good as possible. But at the same time, I'm tired of the developers churning out overpriced and low-effort DLC, and I don't want the game to be spoiled by those business practices.
Obviously he still doesn't see the BIG picture. Again, DUH. Keep the reviews going, they are awesome and needed..@@DC4260Productions
He has every right to express his view even if you may not agree. Also not buying a product does not make it immune from criticism. You didn't have to watch this video. Nobody held a gun to your head to watch this
I will keep reviewing TSW products for as long as my patience remains intact; fanboys be damned.