NEC - New York to Trenton Review (remade) ~ Train Sim World 4
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2023
- As a prime example of Dovetail's shoddy practices, here is the 'updated' Northeast Corridor - New York to Trenton route. With this overpriced pack, you get a 58 mile-long linear route with barely any motive power (just the New Jersey Transit ALP-46 with Multilevel coaches and the Amtrak ACS-64 with Amfleet coaches and a Metroliner cab-car). The Acela is sold separately.
Although it's now got a much busier timetable, there's a whole host of major issues that make this route unplayable (worst of all is the horrendous lag and stuttering). In my opinion, New York to Trenton is now the worst route in TSW history, blasting the Long Island Railroad right out of the water. - Ігри
idk why, but the fact the NYC skyline isn't visable drives me nuts.
Same here iam glad it is visible in TSW1 NEC route when going over the hellgate bridge , that was probably my favourite part about it.
Same
Brutally honest Review I love It... Unfortunately to people Who are Watching this video, This video Is the perfect summary And failure of The New Jersey Trenton Route. I too am Not shocked As I requested Dovetail To not rush out At least Wait a month or 2 On the forums Especially That we're getting a new train Sim World To keep us busy. Really is a shame Because it literally had the potential To being the best North American Route Only if they gave it the needed time Like They did On Brighton mainline,Dresden And southeastern high-speed SMH
God, i love that outburst at the end, very well said
the signals not working is pretty realistic for the NEC lol
Thanks for your reviews. You have helped to save me a lot of money :)
Finally someone calling out how bad the US routes are we need better US routes and content. SD40E or P42DC dovetail?
Yeah, i agree with you, we deserve better, been thinking about the NS sd70acu for Horseshoe curve as well as the CP AC4400CWM (i believe) for a new canadian route or even with CN
I hope dovetail watch this video💀
They better, and maybe that’ll get them to do something good for once
To be clear, the reason the footage shown is glitchy and freezing briefly is because of the game, don't worry it's not your device you're watching this on
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga many thanks for the love for both of my comments
And it’s doesn’t matter how much of a super computer you have either. There are less stutters but it still stutters.
As someone from Philly, some of the blame has to go to septa because originally back in the days of TSW2, they apparently gave a verbal agreement to dovetail for the rights, but flipped their mind right before the deal
SEPTA always finds a way to fuck everything up.
I wish they did this route back in the 30s with the GG1 and tons of rolling stock and services. But nope its dtg
If they can't get the source material or don't have it, they can't create it. The older it gets, the harder it is when it doesn't even run anymore
You forget-There's a sucker born every minute
Great review videos keep it up i really like your review videos
Gotta say, TSW has a big problem with broken signals. I wanted to finish the Nahverkehr Dresden journey of 13 chapters, BUT I couldn't even finish chapter 2 because 2 services have problems with red signals. In the 3rd service of the chapter some random train is stopping in the middle of a junction and causing red lights (it wouldn't move) and i decided to try the 4th service and another bug happened with a red light staying red and blocking the whole block when there was nothing there, please Dovetail, stop ruining your game as it's soo good the concept, graphics (are sometimes good) but the simulation but you are just breaking it!
Again, I will NOT touch this route with a barge pole. Knowing is they stoop this low, they could just put a trainset in their office toilet block and release it as a DLC (of course I am being facetious), but at the end of the day, it is all aboard the DTG gravy train.
I honestly agree with you TTFT. nice brutally honest review! DTG needs to watch this video and fix this bloody route.
Great videos love the channel👍
Before this I wouldn't have expected that the Long Island Rail Road would be beaten as the worst TSW route. Seems like I have been proved wrong.
East coast mainline takes the cake. That has to be the most never ending repetitive route in existence
@@jwrailve3615they shouldve done London Kings Cross to Doncaster, or better yet, York. With branches to Linclon from Newark Northgate and allow people to use class 387 and 707 to London Kings Cross via Stevenage and some local stops. The 717s have an option to be added to the northern city branch line but ill be happy if that was also included
Even if the line wont go north of doncaster in the new proposal I made, at least if they added the branch to Linclon then ill be a bit less dissapointed because then u can ultilize the dual mode changes at Newark Northgate
The fact that I love this route in real life but that in game it's a disaster is really sad...
Just a comment on what you mentioned about the bells: the ALP-46's were built with steel-bells but were upgraded to E-bells later on, so I assume dovetail just chose the modern day variant.
Another one by Dovetail's Failure. From a person who lives in Massachusetts, It's absolutely HORRENDOUS that DTG doesn't respect the source material. And that begs the question. Why the HELL American routes in the Train Sim World franchise treated very poorly? I'm mean, seriously, why? They treat the Europeans and British routes much better, but us Americans had to suffer the worst routes DTG had made for us. From linear routes, incorrect PIS systems that look like a British or European design, bad land view and textures, incorrect sounds from trains, and missing overhead wires. They really ruined the Canadian route "Oakville Subdivision" With the GP38, and GP9 with Terrible, HORRENDOUS sounds they made. The horns from the locomotive sounds like any other Cartoon train horn that would sound, GP38 has an E-Bell but the sound was so bad, they put a Mechanical Bell instead, rather make a sound of an E-Bell. Now watching the NEC New York-Trenton Route review remake, I was excited when they do some improvements like fixing AI Services, The AI Pantographs issues, and others stuff, but when it was released, I was devastated. They fix the issue I listed down, but the route looks even more worse than the OG version when it released back in February 21st, 2023. I hope DTG learns from the customers including all of you, (This is a quote from me) "that one day, multi-million and multi-billion dollar companies think they get away from everything, however they have to experience the consequences from the customers when they make bad DLC'S, Games, other merchandise, Increase prices, Etc., Customers would leave a bad review of the merchandise the company make. As everyone says, The Customer Is Always Right." Just imagine how PISSED OFF you would feel and just want to curse out the Developers for making terrible routes and insane prices. If you don't like the game or route, leave a Mostly Negative review of the game and route, than Dovetail know their mistakes and should be ashamed of themselves for making terrible content. (Or just completely ignored the reviews and just continue making terrible routes and make the fanboys happy as always.
9:00 Poor performance is not only problem for weaker computers. Weaker consoles have it too. I think Dovetail wants to make the best graphics for promoting TSW and forgets that it should be actually playable sometimes
for me is working fine
Can i just say the part u said at the end summed up dis bs pretty well, cuz this shit with dovetail is rlly getting out of hand now.
Now this is even worse! Dovetail are really now at their breaking point. Dtg's current business practices is causing considerable confusion and delay.
the 46 and 46A are 2 completely different trains, one being exceptionally faster and more powerful than the other (46A) and as far as the princeton “dinky” it’s operated by arrows, which should’ve been added to the addon from the get go as it makes up most of the nec services
That would have created more problems on top of the new tt
@@potatoman451False. DTG just didn't want to make another train. Many routes we have gotten have come with only 1 new train because DTG don't want to make another for some reason
@@Atrail_Mckinley4786and see how the new timetable turned out. Adding anything will make an unstable thing more unstable
Devs like this are the reason piracy exists
its actually comical how easy it is to pirate for this game.
Agree with every point on this video. Dovetail have infuriated me with some addons, being the reason why I'm EXTREMELY hesitant to buy any add - ons from now. And I'm glad that *most* of the add - ons I purchased are good (BCC and HMA are big exceptions, but more for HMA). After watching this video, the chance of me buying New York to Trenton has gone so low that DTG just might as well just delete it from the store. Not one person (unless they are possessed by fanboy happiness) will want to get this add on, even if it was 95% off!
Great review and looking toward the next review.
By the way, are you considering on getting the Maintalbahn (of which I am probably getting)?
Edit: forgot to say but HOLY SHIT WHAT IS THAT STUTTERING!
That stuttering wasn't me messing with the footage in the editing process, that's how it was in the game. As for the Maintalbahn, I want to pick it up and make a review on it, because it should be a welcome change from the usual electrified German routes.
@@DC4260Productions Oh I could tell it was from the game, but the lag is atrocious.
well frames in the updated timetable can drop to *14 FPS* at NY Penn - it’s just horrendous.
Not to defend them here, but I’m 99% sure all of the ALP46s have been updated with E bells. I live next to an electrified station and haven’t heard a physical bell on any of the ones I’ve seen.
Yea I live there. Ur right.
the aip 46a has e bells the aip 46s don"t@@pandagamer5950
You can find selective door opening on Bremen Oldenburg. So I would expect this behavior on any route created later than Bremen. You're right to demand this feature on routes like Harlem line or Trenton, where it's needed the most.
is it alright if I use the gameplay footage from this video in my video?
I have 32gb of ram coupled with a 3070 and amd 3600, it's not even playable...
wow man these people dont do enough also if you havent seen my post I am now not going to be able to go to the Railfans day sorry due to the weather on saturday and having play my second round of club champs by next saturday but i would like to know what you are doing the sunday and monday? or if you are coming out to see the shunts in the afternoon on thursday or friday thanks...
over time, most ALP-46s have had their steel bells replaced with e-bells, so not many have their original bells anymore.
What is Dovetail doing when it comes to U.S content? At this point I’m starting to think they’re mad cause they lost The Revolutionary War💀
I assume you opened a (seperate) support ticket for every issue you found.?
Even if I had done that, I don't expect DTG to fix the issues.
LOL DTG's ticket system and technical support forum is pathetic. Gathered, unlooked at, tossed in the garbage, next.
Wow a broken signal? I used to give them a pass for cosmetic inconsistencies. My biggest issue with them was when they had the Cane Creek AC4400CW livery editor bug and to this day never fixed it.
True as it can be! Unbelievable what they are trying to sell
i wish they added other NJT equipment and engines. i beg for a NJCL route. probably the second most popular njt line
Never seem to get enough of your reviews regarding DTG's blunders, laziness, incompetence, and thievery. Money grabbing Bastards. Luv your reviews, especially when you use the F word. They deserve it and you are NEVER too harsh. Keep it up my New Zealand friend.
I gave up re-purchasing what really should have been free updates, or at least cheap patches when TSW4 came out. I have TSW/TSW2/TSW3 and will only buy when on sale. Basically, they can stick TSW4 where the sun don't shine. On a brighter note - TSW5 should be out soon.
Great Review did you see someone was making the p42 for tsw4
@RailsOfIllinoisa modder is making it
Again UK PIS screens?
Well said 👏🏻
There's a Roblox game on the NEC from NY to Philly and it's better than this route 💀💀💀
And it's free
Wow, not roblox kicking DTG behinds
@@EmpireStateExpress01 roblox does make some better train games like SCR, British railways and others
@@declangaming24do u known real Roblox devs
Can you also make some videos about the addons which are worth getting? I've been watching the channel for a few weeks now, and it seems that all of the videos are negative. The addons can't be all shit, or can they?
Yes, there are still some add-ons that I like, both in TSW and TS classic.
He does like niddertalbahn and dra to name a few
I can’t fine this dlc for the Xbox on train sim world 4 :(
I'm glad I woke up the first week TSW3 came out on GamePass. Originally I was excited for the evolution of the game. The I saw the scenery pop ins, the horrible nuclear lighting, and the horrid disgusting stuttering along all the new routes. Free on GamePass and still I uninstalled. I do feel cheated by the clowns at DTG for having strung me along on promised fixes and enhancements to TSW2. On the other hand, their deceit has opened my eyes to the true nature of their company and has saved me hundreds of dollars in DLC purchases. So I'm done buying into their BS, but I can enjoy the laughs here with your videos. Keep up the good work. Your customer advocacy should be commended.
What do you mean by 'customer advocacy'? I don't think I've ever heard that term before.
@@DC4260Productions Meaning you put the word out there to customers and potential customers about what they may be getting themselves into by buying X product (in this case TSW or in a broader sense DTG and its associated failings). You're basically providing a voice loud and clear from a customer perspective that is shared by many. Unfortunately I don't think DTG really cares that much and probably don't watch your videos. Their business model seems to include a community in the most pathetic sense. Like they provide a tech support ticket system, a tech support forum, and route suggestion forums yet all seem largely ignored unless an actual game breaking bug is found (i.e. the current state of TSW4 on Xbox). Anyhow, keep fighting the good fight. Your videos are informative and entertaining.
fully agree with you on this one
How do you access this update if you own tsw3 but not tsw4
You don't yet
They said it would be made available for TSW3, but in vague terms. Soon after the release of TSW4, TSW3 was to get this and other fixes. However same old song and dance from DTG. What does soon mean? No idea. Same was said about TSW2 fixes and they never came because TSW3 was such a horrible mess that needed fixing. As we see with TSW4's launch they shit the bed yet again. So realistically, don't ever expect TSW3 fixes to come ever. If they ever do, just a pleasant surprise.
Geez No wonder why NEC New York to Trenton is worse then NEC New York of TSW1
definitely not 😭, i’ll admit nyt is bad but it’s far more fun than the original
Thanks For The Video You Saved Me $40.00. On Playstation 5
I rember the first time running a service this route from Penn-Station to Trenton, I thought that the water looked horrendous compared to newer routes. Even before the timetable change I excpierienced lots and lots of lag in Penn Station. I have 32 GB of RAM and an RTX 1660 shouldn't that be plenty?! I also ran into the Acela problem on a NJT run ate the same part of the track, I lost my patience after a minute and quit, but I've never seen this problem on a German/UK route (as you said). I don't really have a problem with so many german routes considering I'm German but I DO have a problem with the german routes that ARE being made as they almost never are highly requested routes (with a few exceptions) we haven't even gotten Berlin for f*cks sake. I am a sucker for the Berlin S-Bahn - and not seeing such a highly requested route being made is infuriating - and yes DTG would have to make new train control systems as Berlin deosn't use the PZB - but if I were them that's the least you can do - add a highly requested route.
Considering that there's a couple of London routes in the game, it's bizarre that neither Berlin nor Washington DC have been featured yet. As for the upcoming Maintalbahn, I'm okay with that route choice because it's a non-electrified rural line.
@@DC4260Productions DTG probably threw the S-Bahn Berlin in the 'too-hard' bucket because oh no, they would have to do work to add it and get new licences from S-Bahn Berlin (it's technicially it's own thing, just owned by DB) and the VBB (Verkehrsbund Berlin-Brandenburg). If they do come around to adding the S-Bahn Berlin I would be really pissed if the effed up the sounds - and I can reference as I live in Berlin. I KONW how the sound
@@DC4260Productionswell for dc, dtg don't have a marc license. Only having amtrak traffic would make it a very quiet route. Marc adds in about 58 services to the section. The route from dc to Baltimore is also extremely bland. The scenery doesn't change at all and it's very straight
Just get Simrail at this point. Way more fun and more realistic.
Looks like Dovetail are still acting like This, I Uploaded a Creators Club Scenario called "Metrolink Takes Over Boston and 5 Minutes Later, They removed my Scenario Off the Creators Club due to "Copyright" alto I didn't copy Anyway, I e-mailed Dovetail, Tode them What happened and asked them Can they give me more information or unban the Scenario, What did they do?? They blocked the Email, What a Complete Joke this Is,
Tbh they even rushed the Birmingham cross city line they even got signs wrong on the passenger platform and they missed out kings Norton they're completely rushing their products just to get revenue
I recently bought it, thinking that ''Hey, New York to New Jersey could be fun''', cause the only American passenger route I had was the Antelope Valley, and I wasn't really into American railways, so I thought an electric one would be fun to have. After I've done my first service I realized how shit this route is. You neither go to NJ, nor you get to see almost anything of New York and most of the route is literally just straight track. I wish I found your review before I bought it, literally money down the drain :/
What do you mean you don't go to New Jersey? Basically all of the route is in New Jersey.
The Roblox version is better than this lol 😂 💀
Unless they release Japanese routes (Cause i'm into those trains the most) I don't plan on ever playing TSW again I'll just stick to Simrail which is way better, I gave up on TSW way back in 2020 with the original release because once they released TSW2 knowing Dovetail I just knew it was gonna become a trend of shit and I was right. I can't wait to see the day when Simrail takes over i'm tired of Dovetail's lack of caring it's been 4 or 5 years later and it's still the same issues and annoyances as it was in 2020.
There is a Japanese route coming to TSW at some point (Aizu-Wakamatsu to Tadami), but I don't blame you if - even then - you still don't want to return to TSW.
If anything, I continue reviewing this game to warn people of Dovetail's nonsense.
@@DC4260Productions I have never had any train sim and I'm thinking of buying the TSW4 special edition. It's very cheap right now, at 68 reais (13 dollars). Considering that it is not an update to me, but a new game (Since I don't have previous versions), and that it is this cheap and comes with 8 routes I think. Is it worth it?
@@DanielSilva-gc4xz 13$??? If you can find it that cheap definetly buy it
DTG of course dont care much of US content..i still give Joe credit for the new tinetable and i def didnt think he would add the real AI timetable of LIRR like that...also how on earth is Newark Penn Station STILL dont have a crosspath for platforms. And then at NYP, STILL no passengers on platforms(based on videos and reviews)...And they dropped the ball not even adding a small section of NJCL at least to South Amboy and at least Newark Broad Street, smfh. But the Dresden route gets multiple branches...I forgot what time period this dlc was set in??
You can't have everything. Dra only has 2 (cowsig, meissen). Meissen only got added post launch and one branch was cut completely. It's not perfect either
@@potatoman451I'm not asking for "everything" and still the Dresden had the added branch a month or 2 months after launch..This Trenton dlc was released many months ago, they could've added jus that small(not whole) part of the NJCL..Even the Boston-Providence dlc has two branches.
The Dresden route also has the 23km fast line, which is nice. I think of that as a branch. Also there's the rather short but appreciated Röderau branch.
My class 700 is still broken so i don’t have any hope for tsw anymore. I don’t even have the excitement to buy 4. The passenger behavior and stuttering really is starting to annoy me
What's broken abt it
Oooh lemme guess, AI driven 700s not using their lights? (this is an issue I’ve only seen happen for PS5 players)
I agree with you. I like american route but they messed it up.
Ahh... Just checked my Steam account for TSW... Last Played July 2nd 2019... I can't say I am surprised that absolutely NOTHING has changed over 5 years in regards to the money grab for shit product. Exact reason they lost my support long ago...
Awful just awful. Stuttering and they killed the passengers!
What's odd is that the stuttering issues don't seem to happen on the current Gen consoles, yet it is a mess on PC.
I don't recommend this route either way. DTG have said they will fix the issues, but frankly, it isn't acceptable that the route released with so many problems to begin with and the new timetable brought more issues for pc and console players as well.
DTG clearly don't properly test their content, which is a shame because this route could've been so good, but now I believe it is without debate, the worst route in tsw. American content always gets the short end of the stick.
In short if it is American it will be shit, as a console player i'm stuck with it as my only option to play with trains and what not, even dreaming that they make a couple routs i have in mind or some locomotives as well, but what really saddens me is to know that if they do them it's going to be treated so poorly that it's going to be a huge let down, like always
This DLC is a showcase for how crap Downsized Game Textures are as a developer. $1dollar per mile for this sham is nothing short of a disgrace. Wonder if Focus Entertainment saw this stinker before purchasing the biggest dumpster fire of 2023.
I seriously wonder how much of a leash Focus has for DTG shenanigans. They bailed out a dying pig. They'd have been better off buying the TSW franchise and giving it over to a proper developer. Let's hope for a better future for this franchise. But as it stands, under DTG, this is a game worth avoiding at all costs.
Oh my the optimisation is some of the worst yet! Every couple of seconds in your video it's move, pause, move, pause. TSW3&4 routes are atrocious to play. Are DTG fanboys really this blind? I could never play KSW, SEHSE, or CP as they made me nauseous after 10 minutes. TSW2 remains the height of this franchise despite it also having severe flaws.
For me, I've played much worse games performance wise. When I run on my potato laptop, performance is poor by default. When I use my external gpu, tsw is quite smooth to me on most routes. Everyone has a different experience
this is why i fully quit buying dlc for those games its always over priced and what do you get in complete routes two trains if your lucky and so much reusing and we get forget DTG selling stuff "separately" and slaping on a outrages price am honestly dun whit DTG and them always putting there dirty fingers in my wallet like seriously why cant they just do it RIGHT and listen to the community
Wait for a sale. For instance right now you can get both NEC (NY and Boston) and the Accela for under $39 USD for all three. That's about $13 each.
The Acela on the Corridor is one of the very few lines that people actually like to ride on. Meanwhile other passenger trains are usually almost empty, all over America.
Except for Acela on the Corridor, almost nobody from lower class to the wealthy wants to ride on a passenger train. Only the very poor. America's motorways are far more extensive. Small county roads are wider than UK major motorways.
As for long freight drags, these are American icons that people here know about and love. And want to emulate by simulation.
Services on large commuter lines are few in number in real life, because who would want to actually go by rail and sit beside strangers instead of friends and family? Remember, America is not civilized. Our policemen wear pistols because they absolutely have to do that. Public transportation and apartment living among strangers is risky and almost never desirable.
Look at model railroading in America. Everybody wants freight cars and industries and shunting. Few want to model passenger trains.
@@acratone8300 this is the only way these dlcs are worth it getting. Waiting for the 60-90% sales.