Those numbers are always just pure bullshit. For example: a ISD can carry 36.000 metric tonnes and a todays Triple- E container ship can carry 195.000 tonnes and the ISD is much larger. that is just unrealistic.
Yeah same with the Venator (430 star fighters). And the rebel Lucrehulk that attacked the Death Star during construction (Legends, Novel "Death Star") launched 500 X-Wings.
@@MrBigL100 a Maersk EEE is built with as much air in the middle as possible, to enable it to carry as much cargo as possible. Thats its role. A star destroyer on the other hand, if the designers see a large space of air, they will fill it with something more useful to a star destroyers role. IE armour plate. If you stripped all the armour plate off the star destroyer and just gave it a hull made of tin, it would be able to carry a lot more than a container ship.....
Have to agree. The Lucrehulk is a leftover from a bygone age of overall greater wealth and prosperity. Though technologically less impressive, it was born in an era where throwing lots of money at a problem was always an option and it's just built really really well with no expenses spared. The MC80, one of my favorites too, is smarter, leaner, and pound for pound tougher, but the Lucrehulk just has sooo many more pounds...
@@CS-zn6pp Just 20 Hyena bombers would laught over shields, take into account that protón torpedoes or concussion missiles used by the CIS always gave 0 shit about shields. Even the trifighters were far ahead for their time and could easily rip heavy capitals at close range. The lucrehulk is a mobile base on his own, plus has a hell of reactors making the shields stupidly strong and also almost instantly rechargeable, it maybe be a sitting duck, but still a strong armed one.
@@juanca2807 hell no, proton torpedoes are not powerful against the shielding of an MC-80 Home One type. The shielding is just incredible. You are terribly misinformed
Lucerhulk is definitely my favorite ship in Star Wars. It's well armed, and it makes up for it's proportionately few weapons for it's size by it's ability to carry an entire self-contained planetary invasion force. If filled with an offensive load out of nothing but hyena bombers and vulture droids, it's sheer carrying capacity could overwhelm the enemy.
As far as I know, the Droid Control Ship was in fact, not the 'standard' ship. There would typically only be one of them in a fleet of like 10 Lucrehulk's. The battleship was the standard.
I would love to have a Lucrehulk, the thing can practically mount an invasion on it's own. That is why I would call it the Assailer, I would keep that name if it were a Control Ship or the Battleship variant, which I much prefer.
Yeah If I was a star wars fleet admiral. I would build my fleet around the Lucrehulk. But the Lucrehulk would be used as a carrier not a battleship and then I would have smaller ships defending it like Hammer head corvettes or somthing.
Droid star fighters are actually VERY maneuverable. The reason theyre so deadly is purely because they can pull off maneuvers that normally kill sentient pilots. Ive read this in a few searches. Theyre usually deployed in swarm tactics which overwhelm enemy forces. The only downside is that they arent as intuative as sentient pilots and they dont have shielding, which you dont really need because the sheer numbers make up for that. The vulture droid offers quite a lot.
The culmination of 20+ years of work, trillions of credits with the ability to blow up an entire planet on the whim of an arrogant asshole with a british accent Or one Forceful Boi
Just a note, due to deficiencies of the Vulture starfighter, their solid state fuel slugs means they can only fly for fifteen minutes at a time. Thus they were deployed in waves as the previous fighters returned to keep up momentum. This was later rectified during the Clone Wars, but this is pre-Clone Wars so there would be around 500 per wave.
The Lucrehulk releasing all of its droid starfighters would be like attacking your opponent with an angry swarm of bees. You can kill a lot, but their numbers will eventually overwhelm you. Interestingly the Lucrehulk would actually be a very good ship for the Rebel Alliance, since they rely heavily on their fighters and a single Lucrehulk could easily carry and maintain several hundred X-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings and so on. Those things are massive and it would provide the Rebels with a mobile base to launch from and to retreat to.
I believe in one of the comics, they had a rebel faction that controlled one of these. And as I recall, it was basically used as a space station and training facility more than a battleship or carrier, simply because of how incredibly expensive it was to maintain in battle readiness. The Trade Federation had essentially bottomless resources to call upon, the Rebels did not. Not to mention, without the droid crew, it would take many thousands of people to operate, and most rebel cells at the time had at most a few hundred active members. Still, if you could supply it, repair it, and could retain a good chunk of the droid crew to handle basic operations, it would have been a hell of a place to run a rebel cell.
I always loved the Lucrehulk, i would love to just explore the cosmos with one as my space station cruise, also could you do an Acclamator-class assault ship vs the rebel Assault Frigate Mark II?
The name of my Lucrehulk-Class Battleship would be "The Pride of Independence" cause even after the fall of the CIS I would still be fighting. The Trade Federation battleship wins when it's the first varient, just imagine if it was the latest version of the Battleship, with better weapons and defenses, along with a more wider variety of Droid fighters. Rebel scum wouldn't stand a chance.
I don't think the MC80 has any chance at winning, remember, the droid control ship in the movie was controlling all the droid forces on the ground and around the planet, including 99 other Lucrehulk ships slaved to it. Un-slaved, un-distracted and focused on a single threat a single droid control ship could dedicate all of it's processing power into it's fighters, and in the cross sections it says those vulture droids flew with precision that matched Jedi in skill. Lucrehulk = 1,500 Star fighters MC80 = 120 Star fighters /Hodge podge/mix 12.5 to 1 in favor of the Lucrehulk Some of the MC80 fighters might survive the first wave but the bombers barely make it out of the hanger before being swamped, if not kamikazeed into oblivion. Fighters and bombers get picked off and the numbers disparity grows more staggering very quickly. Wave #1 1-4 rebel star fighters are taken out 120/4 = 30 down 30x3 = 90 still in action. 4-12.5 droid fighters taken out {killing more than 2 in a head on engagement would be considered a miracle under the best of circumstances} Leaves us at Lucrehulk = 1,000 MC80 = 90 11.111111111111111111111111111111 to 1 in favor of Lucrehulk..... Top that off most of the Naboo pilots are some of the finest top notch mercenary pilots from all over the galaxy. and you used the oldest semi militarized Lucrehulk vs the fully militarized MC80......... EckhartsLadder Lucrehulk wins 10/10 NO CONTEST... Unless you have a space wizard in your MC80 star fighter wing.
Totally agree. EckhartsLadder felt very bias on this one, Even tho the Lucrahulk won, I still think the MC80 got WAY to much credit compared to what would actually happen.
@@ZETH_27 Sort of a habit of his sadly. Some matchups he decided incorrectly because of his personal bias for one over the other. He loves the MC80 so much it's hard to believe it could be outmatched so hard. Plus the fact the Lucrehulk can launch its fighters absurdly fast compared to the MC80. Chances are by the time the MC80 gets half of its fighters out it is already swarmed by a thousand droid fighters. The rebel fighters will fall very quickly to the sheer number of attackers and the MC80 won't have a chance to attack the Lucrehulk for the same reason.
You have to realize that the MC-80 can launch all their ships in a couple of seconds. They have over twenty hangars (3 main ones), all that can open at the same time with speed, and have their infinitely superior starfighters go out and obliterate the droids as they miserably, worthlessly try to come out for the ships. The Y-wings get in position to launch proton torpedoes and proton bombs continuously, giving no mercy to these worthless droids. The Y-wings' Ion turrets one-shot the droids attempting to engage them. One torpedoes to the hang and the entire freighter is dead. I think the MC-80 has a valid chance at this.
@@sithacolol5337 You forget that the droids can stream constantly out of the 8 main hanger blast doors and dozens of ancillary hanger doors in seconds... So that argument is invalid and the Lucrehulk still out matches the MC-80 in deployment speed. Ion cannons on Y-wings are short range and were present en mass during the clone wars so a hand full of operational Y-wing Ion cannons will not create any significant advantage overall. "infinitely superior starfighters" you say, note that those old droids fighters were more than a match for modern TIE fighters when the 501st dropped on the Mygeetan droid factory. So that argument is invalid. "vulture droids flew with precision that matched Jedi in skill." "Lucrehulk wins 10/10 NO CONTEST... Unless you have a space wizard in your MC80 star fighter wing."
NoodleMasterRico Y-wing is a full on bomber, ARC 170 is a multi-role star fighter. ARC 170 is more of a bomber due to its size, but can take on inferior fighters like tie fighters or droid fighter.
I love that the Lucrehulk is powerful enough to compare with ships decades later after the movies made us think the Trade Federation was a complete joke, to the point Rebels threw one at the Death Star
Biggest problem I have with this battle simulation is that the Lucrehulk may have a lot of fighters but they can only control so many at one time. This is why there were so many droid fighters sitting around in the hanger (this would great reduce the number of active combat fighters) and the Lucrehulk also had capability to carry droid bombers like the Hyena class bomber which is a Vulture droid fighter variant. Then if you did take the episode 1 variant to heart then it may not have been able to carry as many fighters to battle because to the extensive amounts of ground troops needed and used. On the starfighter side both had very different abilities with the droid fighters having NO shields and the rebel fighters all being heavily shielded. There were some x-wings squadrons in legends that were able to get large amount of kills (in some cases double digit kills) with low losses against tie fighters that were similar to droid fighters with having No or limited shields so I believe this was unnecessarily favored to the Lucrehulk when it should have been split or more given to the MC80. The biggest swing or liability factor in this fight would truly be that the Lucrehulk using droid fighters and the MC80 (and the associated bombers) using Ion weapons in large amounts which could and would be the Achilles heel of the Lucrehulk. This is because we have seen time and time again an Ion cannons or bombs disabling a capitol ship in legends and in Canon (I referring to Episode 5, 6, and Rogue One being the most notable with episode 6 actually partly disabling a Super Star Destroyer's shields with Ion weapons). If a flight of Y-wings or one of the Ion Cannons were to render the Lucrehulk incapacitated the fighters would suffer greatly by decreased oversight of the command ship or would completely be put out of combat like the droids were at the end of episode 1 and the Lucrehulk would also lose its biggest defense it's shields as well. But if the Ion weapons were not able to that lucky with a full power down of the Lucrehulk it could still land a Ion hit and knock out it's shields which would still be a huge swing to the bombers of the MC80.
I really like your comparison here, however if the Alliance's MC80 went up against one of the later Clone War variants of the Lucrehulk, the probability of most, if not all battles won ,would be most certain in the Separatist favor. Reason why is its arrangement upgrades: RING CARRIER Point-defense Quad laser batteries: (164) Assault laser cannons: (472) Turbo lasers: (48) Upgraded Shielding CORE SHIP Point-defense quad laser batteries (21) Assault laser cannons (48) Turbolasers (3) Upgraded Shielding The shielding before the Clone Wars upgrade was super strong, making the change afterwards overkill for defense. All that plus its massive droid army force onboard that could deploy droid dispensers to the MC80's hangar bays. It took a Death Star (in the Legends Universe) to get rid of this ship entirely when the Rebels had one.
Recusant Class Light Destroter vs Interdictor Class Star Destroyer. And kickass vid, loved this matchup. And my Lucrehulk is named "The Hornets Nest" or "The Lurking Hive"
Strange choice, lucrehulk in episode one was a cargo vessel with some defenses for itself and blockade capabilities - if we streach it- as it did not really have opponents as naboo did not have anything really. More information about what I said you can find in interview with George Lucas and Dave Filoni after clone wars production ended ;)
I'm kind of surprised you didn't mention 1 major intangible: Separatist ship is not just a ship but also a star base, meaning it can function as a space station, a space port, and a repair/dock. Its also capable of carrying more cargo and with its huge communication array it can function better for command and control. Plus as you mentioned it's also a great carrier. The Home 1 is basically just a large cruiser with a decent fighter contingent.
It's really rather odd just how blatantly superior Clone Wars ships are including a few prewar ones like the Lucrehulk in this video are to the capital ships of the Galactic Civil War. Even taking into account the general inferiority of most of the Trade Federation/Confederacy units to anything produced in the GCW era, a Lucrehulk like this one would be able to take on an entire fleet of Star Destroyers pretty easily just through fighter spamming alone, wiping out the SD fleet's TIE fighter screen through sheer numbers of Vulture Droids before then kamikaze the SD fleet to oblivion likely before the SD fleet can even get close enough to engage them with their own turbolasers, and it's shields are strong enough to last a long barrage by said Star Destroyers long enough that the lesser amount of turbolaser fire the Lucrehulk has is effectively negated. Then there's the 150,000 battle droids and hundreds of ground vehicles in addition to the capability of the Vulture Droids to act as light tanks, compared to the Imp II's 9,500 Stormtroopers and measly 6 minimum ground vehicles, while still possessing the amount of turbolasers needed to bombard a planet from orbit if need be fairly effectively, which makes it easily as effective at subjugating planets than that SD fleet is. That's just the premilitarized version, the ones in the actual Clone Wars have more effective starfighters like the Droid Tri-fighter and dedicated bombers like the Hyena-class that the Lucrehulk that is in this vid doesn't have while having even more ground vehicles and battle droids that make the odds even more insanely stacked against the fleet of Star Destroyers.
Lucrehulk is much larger than an ISD. Having said that, the ISD could easily close to range to open fire before its destruction, ISD's are really fast.
@@lenkagamine4145 A single ISD would be obliterated by the sheer number of fighters the Lucrehulk has available to it long before it could even get close enough to be in range to fire on the Lucrehulk. It would take an entire fleet of ISDs to stand a chance against one, that's how blatantly superior it is.
@@immortalfrieza Vulture droids dont carry lots of missiles and it takes time to launch that many fighters. Plus, thats assuming the battle doesnt start with them already within firing range, as battles often do in star wars due to hyperspace jumping. We also know vulture droids have a maximum range from that one dumb as hell battle with thrawn and the trade federation.
1 v 1? Possibly 1 v 2 or 3? No, just no, the Lucrehulk cannot hold off against that much firepower, sure the Lucrehulk can survive fire from flotillas of Venators but have you compared the weapons of a Venator to an ISD? An ISD alone has a least 3 Venators worth of firepower, the Lucrehulk would evaporate under that kind of fire. Also that's using the ISD 1 numbers, if you use the ISD 2 there's no comparison. As for fighters I am not sure, if it's just one destroyer it's gonna be destroyed before it can kill the Lucrehulk but against two one would die while the other kills the Lucrehulk.
@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 It would take a fleet of Imperial Star Destroyers to have the fighter capacity of 1 Lucrehulk. Anything less and the Star Destroyers would be crushed by a swarm of fighters and bombers long before they could even get into firing range of their own weapons. Even if then, The Lucrehulk has hundreds of anti-fighter and anti- capital ship weapons in addition to shields capable of shrugging off a fleet of Venators. ISDs would require a fleet of at least a dozen or more just to begin to compare to a Lucrehulk in it's ability to both deal and withstand damage. This is a ship that is specifically meant to be powerful enough to hold entire planets on it's own.
This shows how crazy the wartime Lucrehulk was as the version that's basically a cargo freighter with some extra guns slapped on is able to solidly defeat a respected capital ship built decades later
Agreed, but I would give it to the Lucrehulk 9.5 times out of 10. Not only did they start carrying Hyenas and especially Tri-Fighters later in the Clone Wars, but the Vulture droid has buzz droid missile launchers, which would pretty much negate any material advantage that Rebel starfighters would have because the buzz droids would just disable the craft anyways.
honestly! one of the main arguments for the Mon Calamari ship is that is has dedicated bombers, but hyena bombers were also incredibly effective at destroying capital ships
In my Star Wars Table top group we've formed a Naboo rebel cell called Bombad Squadron, and are using a Lucherhulk , which lost its engines so its pretty much just a space station. its affectionally referred to as "Queen Lucher's station"
Not at all. Black Annie was upgraded with 4 super long range ultra heavy turbolasers, as well as a whole load of missile launchers on top of the standard complement carried by an Imperial-II Star Destroyer.
The MC90 could soundly beat any standard Imperial model. An MC80 could fight an Imperial-II for a significant amount of time. And the MC90 had more armour, more and heavier weaponry and stronger shields than an MC80.
Not even started yet and I want to say that I absolutely love your videos and watch them every day mate, keep up the great work mate! p.s: So glad this video is finally out and have been waiting to see it
An interesting thing about this battle is the location of the Lucrehulk's turboblaster batteries. Due to the fact that they are all mounted on the ring around the core and the Lucrehulk has crap mobility then you could simply position the MC80 above the Lucrehulk and have it blast the core while cycling energy in it's shields to cope with the few turboblasters not mounted on the ring.
Actually, the Lucrehulk variant you're talking about isn't necessarily *that* well-shielded. It's just the battleship version that can stand up to a flotilla of Venators. From Wookieepedia: Lucrehulk-class battleships that fought in the Clone Wars had less trouble with weak spots, as they were augmented with gun batteries and much stronger shielding. Batteries of long gunsand heavy guns complemented the additional quad turbolaser batteries added to the Lucrehulk superstructure when the war erupted.[13][14]Each ship was also now so powerful due to the increased amount of power devoted to offensive and defensive systems that a whole flotilla of Republic Star Destroyers was needed just to bring down a Lucrehulk's shields.
Actually, _Profundity_ had engaged *two* _Imperial_-class Star Destroyers, and only went down to a *third* after being worn down by the battle. That said, _Profundity_ had even worse armament than the MC80-class cruisers, and would probably have a hard time wearing down the _Victory_ cruiser's defenses itself. Now, an MC40-class cruiser versus a _Victory_ cruiser would be more of a fair fight.
wow, didn't think of this vs but It makes sense... I never expected the Lucrehulk to win as its just a refitted freighter that... well worked but that's about it. if you used the warship variant, then like you said it would be much tougher.
Are you sure about that Jake Timberlake? I would like to see the Ghost be exposed to the same amount of punishment that the Milinium Falcon takes in the battle of Hapes and survive. I'm not convinced about the weaponary either.
Jake Timberlake the ghost might not have the same number of issues, but to say the falcon would lose because of its issues is not giving the falcon enough credit. the falcon has stronger weaponry, is faster, and has a stronger hull and/or shield (it takes a beating from several Star Destroyers in the film's), I'm not sure the ghost wins purely by being slightly more functional
You forgot one major tactical asset in the Lukrehulk's arsenal, it can fire 50% of its weaponry in any direction. Also Praetor II-Class Battlecruiser Vs. Keldabe-class Battleship.
what do you mean vulture droids aren't very maneuverable the some of the fastest ships in star wars and can make impossible maneuvers because they don't have organic pilots which is the main advantage of a vulture droid
It could go either way. Both ships have a bow mounted super weapon capable of sinking their opponent in one shot. If one side gets a shot off before the other, they win. If both beams fire simultaneously and collide mid flight... I’m not sure. Is the devastation a planet killer? Sources differ as the to the power of the Eclipse’s super laser. If both superweapons are disabled I’m not sure who wins.
If a Seperatist remmant Lucrehulk and a Rebel MC80 ever meet I think it be more likely that the Rebel Captain would try to negotiate to the captain of the Lucrehulk into joining the Rebel Alliance since they share a common enemy in the form of the Empire.
The best tactic for taking out a Lucrehulk would be from behind, since its engines seem less well protected. Coming in from above would mean that all of its turbolasers on the upper side could converge on one target, basically tearing it to pieces. The same would apply to attacking from below. Head-on would only allow the forward facing turbolasers to fire. Its donut shape design results in it having very few blind spots. Compare that to the wedge shape of a Star Destroyer, which can never really maximize its firepower on one target. Facing forward means that the turbolasers at the back can't really fire and striking a target from orbit means that the turbolasers on the upper surface are useless. And the Star Destroyer is a dedicated warship, while the Lucrehulk is basically a converted transport ship.
Lucrehulk and Munificent are my favourite ships, if I had a fleet it would be mostly these ships, plus they look sexy AF Would like to see the MC80 vs Providence, Mon Cala vs Quarren tech
An interesting match up. I think that some of the value of the droid starfighters is their ramming ability. In The Clone Wars ramming attacks by these guys were very effective (realistically probably too effective), but also in the Outbound flight book, droid starfighters from a Lucrehulk did a lot a damage through ramming.
The Lucrehulk also has some pretty gnarly shields, post refit that is, the Coruscant battle shows turbolasers only hitting the shields and not the actual ships during the battle
I think you could compare the Federation ship to the Shield Gate in Rogue One. Just look how this thing was destroyed. Yes there were an insane amount of Tie's but the Y-Wings could really mess up the shields and Turbolasers.
I like watching your older videos. It shows how you've improved as in this fight you're slightly misinformed on the capabilities of the Lucrehulk and it's fighters and the MC80's extensive advantages but in your recent videos, you really did your homework and had a much better presentation.
UNSCBlueBear117 The Convenant super carrier was I believe about as powerfull as the UNSC Infinity (in combat). The UNSC Infinity was about as strong as the FO star destroyer (which is far less powerfull than a star dreadnought). Thus a supercarrier would easily get it's ass whipped by a star dreadnought.
But that Supercarrier use and a bit weak the covenant was not think that a ship will ram the so the Shilling on the Covenant supercarrier was off the banshee shilling then normal TIEs and the Seraph could stand toe to toe with the best TIE fighters and that was not a supercarrier that more a Covenant Light cruiser that got ram not a supercarrier sorry they both look the smaller
Honestly I think I'd give the nod to the MC80 here as the droid fighters are unshielded and would have to swarm the MC80 could fire randomly in all directions and take out numerous enemies and the shielded rebel starfighters would be able to destroy multiple ships per run while being able to shrug off multiple hits. The other thing not mentioned in the battle is the MC80's ion cannons. On top of being able to disable dozens of unshielded starfighters per shot they also give the MC80 a huge advantage in taking down the lucrehulk's shields in the battle.
On top of which, the MC-80's commander wouldn't notice intermittent control of the droid starfighters when the Command Ship gets hit by Ion Cannons? Ion Cannons canonically disrupt electronic systems on the targeted ships, and all the Command Ship is in essence is a control center for all those drones.
You are all forgeting 2 important things. First: Vulture droids are unshielded yes, but they are fully autonomus not controled, they also have some of the best brains of all the droids in star wars universe meaning they coud adapt and learn wery quickly plus they had guaided missiles. And second:Lucrehulk woudn´t be carring just vultures but also tri-fighters(which were far superior to vultures or even tie-fighters in dog fight) but also Hyena bombers, that would blow the hell out of Home one. (By the way do you know that all droid fighters are programed to go KAMIKAZI when damaged?)
While vultures are indeed some of the smartest, they aren't really adaptable, it's shown time and time again that pilots who pull unorthodox tactics are able to take down the vultures because they can't seem to follow those maneuvers. However they are indeed autonomous, fast, and while unshielded they do make up for it in firepower. Add in the whole swarm tactic. During the opening salvo against rebel starfighters, both sides will take horrendous losses, as they'll be firing back and forth with torpedoes and lasers. This is bad for the rebels because they will lose morale as they see their friends being popped while the droids won't mind. The main difference being that vultures have buzz droids, which will attach and continue to sabotage rebel fighters that make it off the original opening salvo. Honestly a single vulture isn't that much of a problem, against trained pilots, rebel pilots however have different degree of training and will struggle with them, causing massive losses. So based on morale, skills, and numbers, the vultures will be outpacing the rebel star fighters even if they can't adapt to their supposedly innovative tactics which will be performed rarely by only the veteran pilots and only when the veterans have the space to do it after the numbers on both sides dwindle to allow space around them to perform such tactics. Overall I have to agree with eck, the lukrehulk simply has too many fighters to be easily taken down.
bogustoast22 none You’re forgetting a couple of things thought. These would be the original vulture droids, so they wouldn’t be very well armed and there would be no buzz droids, as those wouldn’t be invented for a few years still. Vulture droids in Episode 1 still did relay on the Droid control ship, so if the Rebels did notice ion disruptions to the core ship, they would have a pretty good chance at taking it out.
mr5yy It may be because I have a bias towards Droid swarm tactics, but being able to simply overwhelm the enemy with numbers is in of itself a great go to tactic, specially when you don't really lose anyone, allowing for far more aggressive tactics while the rebels will be losing years of experience with every fighter loss. To add flame to the fire, while ion cannons are effective, it's only when in range, and we know that usually fighters meet each other in the middle before the ships are within range or one another, so on the usual combat scenario it would be fighter v fighter then the survivors add their assistance to the ship, as such, rebel fighters and bombers must face and defeat the swarm of droids or try to bypass them in order to fire directly on the ship and disable it (hence disabling the droid fighters) as such, it will be near impossible to pull off, as the droids, even without buzz droids, can simply shoot the Y wings as they are slow, and battle it out with B wings, A wings and X wings. At which point overwhelming tactics come into effect.
MC90's shields would let it edge out the _Imperial II._ Its defenses would last long enough for its own guns to start chewing through the _Imperial II's_ weapon complement and weaken its offensive capability, then it'd be a floating hulk of sitting duck.
RtDK I don't think so, the MC90 was the first Mon Cal ship designed specifically for warfare instead of being a luxury or colony ship refitted for combat. It has 75 turbolasers, 30 ion cannons, 6 proton torpedo launchers, and 72 assorted starfighters. It's specifically stated that the MC90 has the firepower required to challenge an Imperial-class Star Destroyer. And given the general superiority of Rebel starfighters over their Imperial counterparts, I think they'd be able to punch their way through and help attack the Imperial II. I do agree the Imperial II has a lot of firepower, especially with those octuple barbette turbolasers/ion cannons, but I think this would be a fairly even fight if the ships went head to head with their typical configurations
Wait I thought that the vulture droids and other droid star-fighters were way more maneuverable than their organic counterparts, their limitations being their fuel time, weak armor, and their lack of cunning and whatnot. Also the droid star-fighters without their buzz droids could destroy most pilots without plot armor. Also the droids did have their own dedicated bombers.
It's weird that Star Wars made the droids lose the war even though most of their ships could dominate the republics and they could produce them so much quicker. I think they should have toned down the CIS to make it more believable that they could lose.
A BC304 Deadelus class vs Imperial Star Destroyer would totaly depend on when and which ship. if it was an early BC304 the ISD would stand a chance, if it was the Odyssey with the ZPM then the ISD would be unable to penetrate the sheilds, if it was any 304 with the post SG1 Asgard upgrades including the plasma beams then the ISD stands no chance, even it it was an Eclypse class unless it managed to land a hit with the superlaser.
EckhartsLadder, i think you should be able to look at the ships more subjectively. Even you claim that you want to give a category to a ship just because you like it more. I think this is not a good way to look at these battles. You are currently what i've seen, biased towards Rebel ships even thought pretty much all of them lose 10/10 times when competing wth their imperial counterparts.
One thing I think you overlook about the droid fighters are: They could be swapped out for a compliment of Trifighters, or other drone ships. Droid ships would also be able to do maneuvers that a human simply cannot without knocking themselves out from the G-Forces, in addition to having a smaller profile than an X-Wing, making them more comparable to a bunch of A-wings, but lacking the need for life support systems. Another advantage the Lucrehulk has: It requires only a crew of 150-300 to be fully manned, compared to the home one's minimum crew of 1230. They were also relatively cheap for their specifications at only 40 million credits, compared to an imperial star destroyer at 150 million.
Have you done a Juggernaut (AV-6? H-6?) vs AT-AT matchup yet? That would be cool. Also, a separatist corvette vs Republic corvette cold be really cool too. Or frigates if they don't have corvettes on hand 😅
If I do want to have a Carrier Battle Fleet it will be that Trade Fed Battle ship, with an MC Heavy Carrier and multiple Venator Star Destroyers. And corvette support against star fighters
The kyramud-type battleship vs the borrower class dreadnought, both old republic & would be cool to see the best old imperial ship vs the best mandalorian ship at the height of their respective powers
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EckhartsLadder nice
Mandater 1 vs Mc 80 liberty
I enjoy these videos, they are fun. Keep up the good work!
EckhartsLadder do clone wars gunship vs rebel U-wing please!
Mc140 vs pellaeon-class star destroyer
When the Lucerhulk has 1,500 star fighters when the Executor has only 144.
The Emperor: "Wait what the fu-"
Those numbers are always just pure bullshit. For example: a ISD can carry 36.000 metric tonnes and a todays Triple- E container ship can carry 195.000 tonnes and the ISD is much larger. that is just unrealistic.
Yeah same with the Venator (430 star fighters). And the rebel Lucrehulk that attacked the Death Star during construction (Legends, Novel "Death Star") launched 500 X-Wings.
@@MrBigL100 a Maersk EEE is built with as much air in the middle as possible, to enable it to carry as much cargo as possible. Thats its role.
A star destroyer on the other hand, if the designers see a large space of air, they will fill it with something more useful to a star destroyers role. IE armour plate.
If you stripped all the armour plate off the star destroyer and just gave it a hull made of tin, it would be able to carry a lot more than a container ship.....
@@MrBigL100 considering the ISD is filled with other stuff and carrying random shit is not its main role, it kinda makes sense...
RevanTheFireMage An executor fully charged can carrying 1000 TIE Fighters
Do a versus video of me vs democracy
But I though you loved democracy.
It’s treason then.
The Senate but...we already know who wins
Last time I checked didn’t that get you thrown down a reactor shaft like 20 years later. Why were those even in your throne room man
@@doughboidays3039 I dunno guys should I tell him
Have to agree. The Lucrehulk is a leftover from a bygone age of overall greater wealth and prosperity. Though technologically less impressive, it was born in an era where throwing lots of money at a problem was always an option and it's just built really really well with no expenses spared. The MC80, one of my favorites too, is smarter, leaner, and pound for pound tougher, but the Lucrehulk just has sooo many more pounds...
+Z1gguratVert1go very well said
I disagree
The droid control ship can't launch all fighters at once and... droid flyers are terrible
I'm don't agree with this outcome, the droid fighters were terrible.
I don't see them doing anything to the mc80 as the shielding as it's so tough.
@@CS-zn6pp Just 20 Hyena bombers would laught over shields, take into account that protón torpedoes or concussion missiles used by the CIS always gave 0 shit about shields.
Even the trifighters were far ahead for their time and could easily rip heavy capitals at close range.
The lucrehulk is a mobile base on his own, plus has a hell of reactors making the shields stupidly strong and also almost instantly rechargeable, it maybe be a sitting duck, but still a strong armed one.
@@juanca2807 hell no, proton torpedoes are not powerful against the shielding of an MC-80 Home One type. The shielding is just incredible. You are terribly misinformed
My Lucrehulk: The Pride of the CIS
Df the pride of the core??
I think mine would have to be The Cosmic Donut
Lucerhulk is definitely my favorite ship in Star Wars. It's well armed, and it makes up for it's proportionately few weapons for it's size by it's ability to carry an entire self-contained planetary invasion force. If filled with an offensive load out of nothing but hyena bombers and vulture droids, it's sheer carrying capacity could overwhelm the enemy.
It’s a bit slow though……hello from the future.
Lucrehulk Droid Control Ship is probably my favorite ship design i love the droids style of overwhelming numbers
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I agree with you, but actually its the battleship variant I like. It's got a lot more guns than the control ship.
The name of my Lucrehulk:
The 'Committee', which is the name given to a group of Vultures.
Vulture droids?
As far as I know, the Droid Control Ship was in fact, not the 'standard' ship. There would typically only be one of them in a fleet of like 10 Lucrehulk's. The battleship was the standard.
I'd want both ships the only problem is one smells like oil and the other smells like fish.
If someone combined the ships then you would have..... fish oil. 🤣
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@@thelonelyturkey7902 Sell fish oil so you can smell profit
Im considering that all mon calamari ships smell like fish
I would love to have a Lucrehulk, the thing can practically mount an invasion on it's own. That is why I would call it the Assailer, I would keep that name if it were a Control Ship or the Battleship variant, which I much prefer.
Yeah If I was a star wars fleet admiral. I would build my fleet around the Lucrehulk. But the Lucrehulk would be used as a carrier not a battleship and then I would have smaller ships defending it like Hammer head corvettes or somthing.
N1 Naboo starfighter vs Geonosian starighter
Droid star fighters are actually VERY maneuverable. The reason theyre so deadly is purely because they can pull off maneuvers that normally kill sentient pilots. Ive read this in a few searches. Theyre usually deployed in swarm tactics which overwhelm enemy forces. The only downside is that they arent as intuative as sentient pilots and they dont have shielding, which you dont really need because the sheer numbers make up for that. The vulture droid offers quite a lot.
An X-Wing vs The Death Star
This goes to the Death Star, because of the "equal competend Pilots"-Rule.
We don't even need equally competent pilots. All the Death Star's tie fighters would beat even Luke Skywalker.
Ha ha haa
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The culmination of 20+ years of work, trillions of credits with the ability to blow up an entire planet on the whim of an arrogant asshole with a british accent
Or one Forceful Boi
5:03 "not maneuverable"
last time i checked the drpids could resist a much higher Gforce than humans and so they could perform tighter maneuvers.
Just a note, due to deficiencies of the Vulture starfighter, their solid state fuel slugs means they can only fly for fifteen minutes at a time. Thus they were deployed in waves as the previous fighters returned to keep up momentum. This was later rectified during the Clone Wars, but this is pre-Clone Wars so there would be around 500 per wave.
Lucrehulk battleships had 42 quad turbolasers, not 50. Also, the quote was "Nothing can get through our shields" (not hull).
The Lucrehulk releasing all of its droid starfighters would be like attacking your opponent with an angry swarm of bees. You can kill a lot, but their numbers will eventually overwhelm you.
Interestingly the Lucrehulk would actually be a very good ship for the Rebel Alliance, since they rely heavily on their fighters and a single Lucrehulk could easily carry and maintain several hundred X-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings and so on. Those things are massive and it would provide the Rebels with a mobile base to launch from and to retreat to.
I believe in one of the comics, they had a rebel faction that controlled one of these. And as I recall, it was basically used as a space station and training facility more than a battleship or carrier, simply because of how incredibly expensive it was to maintain in battle readiness. The Trade Federation had essentially bottomless resources to call upon, the Rebels did not. Not to mention, without the droid crew, it would take many thousands of people to operate, and most rebel cells at the time had at most a few hundred active members.
Still, if you could supply it, repair it, and could retain a good chunk of the droid crew to handle basic operations, it would have been a hell of a place to run a rebel cell.
I always loved the Lucrehulk, i would love to just explore the cosmos with one as my space station cruise, also could you do an Acclamator-class assault ship vs the rebel Assault Frigate Mark II?
The name of my Lucrehulk-Class Battleship would be "The Pride of Independence" cause even after the fall of the CIS I would still be fighting.
The Trade Federation battleship wins when it's the first varient, just imagine if it was the latest version of the Battleship, with better weapons and defenses, along with a more wider variety of Droid fighters. Rebel scum wouldn't stand a chance.
I don't think the MC80 has any chance at winning, remember, the droid control ship in the movie was controlling all the droid forces on the ground and around the planet, including 99 other Lucrehulk ships slaved to it.
Un-slaved, un-distracted and focused on a single threat a single droid control ship could dedicate all of it's processing power into it's fighters, and in the cross sections it says those vulture droids flew with precision that matched Jedi in skill.
Lucrehulk = 1,500 Star fighters
MC80 = 120 Star fighters /Hodge podge/mix
12.5 to 1 in favor of the Lucrehulk
Some of the MC80 fighters might survive the first wave but the bombers barely make it out of the hanger before being swamped, if not kamikazeed into oblivion.
Fighters and bombers get picked off and the numbers disparity grows more staggering very quickly.
Wave #1 1-4 rebel star fighters are taken out 120/4 = 30 down 30x3 = 90 still in action. 4-12.5 droid fighters taken out {killing more than 2 in a head on engagement would be considered a miracle under the best of circumstances}
Leaves us at
Lucrehulk = 1,000
MC80 = 90
11.111111111111111111111111111111 to 1 in favor of Lucrehulk.....
Top that off most of the Naboo pilots are some of the finest top notch mercenary pilots from all over the galaxy.
and you used the oldest semi militarized Lucrehulk vs the fully militarized MC80.........
EckhartsLadder
Lucrehulk wins 10/10
NO CONTEST... Unless you have a space wizard in your MC80 star fighter wing.
Totally agree. EckhartsLadder felt very bias on this one, Even tho the Lucrahulk won, I still think the MC80 got WAY to much credit compared to what would actually happen.
@@ZETH_27 Sort of a habit of his sadly. Some matchups he decided incorrectly because of his personal bias for one over the other. He loves the MC80 so much it's hard to believe it could be outmatched so hard.
Plus the fact the Lucrehulk can launch its fighters absurdly fast compared to the MC80. Chances are by the time the MC80 gets half of its fighters out it is already swarmed by a thousand droid fighters. The rebel fighters will fall very quickly to the sheer number of attackers and the MC80 won't have a chance to attack the Lucrehulk for the same reason.
Kelorel Kelorel Agreed. Like, even though I personally love the Providence class, I still know it would lose to a Victory class ISS.
You have to realize that the MC-80 can launch all their ships in a couple of seconds. They have over twenty hangars (3 main ones), all that can open at the same time with speed, and have their infinitely superior starfighters go out and obliterate the droids as they miserably, worthlessly try to come out for the ships. The Y-wings get in position to launch proton torpedoes and proton bombs continuously, giving no mercy to these worthless droids. The Y-wings' Ion turrets one-shot the droids attempting to engage them. One torpedoes to the hang and the entire freighter is dead. I think the MC-80 has a valid chance at this.
@@sithacolol5337 You forget that the droids can stream constantly out of the 8 main hanger blast doors and dozens of ancillary hanger doors in seconds... So that argument is invalid and the Lucrehulk still out matches the MC-80 in deployment speed.
Ion cannons on Y-wings are short range and were present en mass during the clone wars so a hand full of operational Y-wing Ion cannons will not create any significant advantage overall.
"infinitely superior starfighters" you say, note that those old droids fighters were more than a match for modern TIE fighters when the 501st dropped on the Mygeetan droid factory.
So that argument is invalid. "vulture droids flew with precision that matched Jedi in skill."
"Lucrehulk wins 10/10
NO CONTEST... Unless you have a space wizard in your MC80 star fighter wing."
X-wing vs Arc-170
ToByZ ARC-170 has a backwards turret and shields. It wins.
X-Wings got speed and shields, it wins.
Arc is more of a bomber than fighter.
Red Rock Seven the ARC-170 is supposed to be a star fighter, the Y-wings are more of the bomber
NoodleMasterRico Y-wing is a full on bomber, ARC 170 is a multi-role star fighter. ARC 170 is more of a bomber due to its size, but can take on inferior fighters like tie fighters or droid fighter.
I always root for the CIS ships in these kinds of things. I don't know what it is, but I really love all of their designs.
Yeah, they're really cool. :D
"I'm going with the episode 1 Lucrehulk [because I want it to fucking lose]"
I love that the Lucrehulk is powerful enough to compare with ships decades later after the movies made us think the Trade Federation was a complete joke, to the point Rebels threw one at the Death Star
Biggest problem I have with this battle simulation is that the Lucrehulk may have a lot of fighters but they can only control so many at one time. This is why there were so many droid fighters sitting around in the hanger (this would great reduce the number of active combat fighters) and the Lucrehulk also had capability to carry droid bombers like the Hyena class bomber which is a Vulture droid fighter variant. Then if you did take the episode 1 variant to heart then it may not have been able to carry as many fighters to battle because to the extensive amounts of ground troops needed and used. On the starfighter side both had very different abilities with the droid fighters having NO shields and the rebel fighters all being heavily shielded. There were some x-wings squadrons in legends that were able to get large amount of kills (in some cases double digit kills) with low losses against tie fighters that were similar to droid fighters with having No or limited shields so I believe this was unnecessarily favored to the Lucrehulk when it should have been split or more given to the MC80. The biggest swing or liability factor in this fight would truly be that the Lucrehulk using droid fighters and the MC80 (and the associated bombers) using Ion weapons in large amounts which could and would be the Achilles heel of the Lucrehulk. This is because we have seen time and time again an Ion cannons or bombs disabling a capitol ship in legends and in Canon (I referring to Episode 5, 6, and Rogue One being the most notable with episode 6 actually partly disabling a Super Star Destroyer's shields with Ion weapons). If a flight of Y-wings or one of the Ion Cannons were to render the Lucrehulk incapacitated the fighters would suffer greatly by decreased oversight of the command ship or would completely be put out of combat like the droids were at the end of episode 1 and the Lucrehulk would also lose its biggest defense it's shields as well. But if the Ion weapons were not able to that lucky with a full power down of the Lucrehulk it could still land a Ion hit and knock out it's shields which would still be a huge swing to the bombers of the MC80.
I really like your comparison here, however if the Alliance's MC80 went up against one of the later Clone War variants of the Lucrehulk, the probability of most, if not all battles won ,would be most certain in the Separatist favor. Reason why is its arrangement upgrades:
RING CARRIER
Point-defense Quad laser batteries: (164)
Assault laser cannons: (472)
Turbo lasers: (48)
Upgraded Shielding
CORE SHIP
Point-defense quad laser batteries (21)
Assault laser cannons (48)
Turbolasers (3)
Upgraded Shielding
The shielding before the Clone Wars upgrade was super strong, making the change afterwards overkill for defense. All that plus its massive droid army force onboard that could deploy droid dispensers to the MC80's hangar bays. It took a Death Star (in the Legends Universe) to get rid of this ship entirely when the Rebels had one.
Recusant Class Light Destroter vs Interdictor Class Star Destroyer.
And kickass vid, loved this matchup.
And my Lucrehulk is named "The Hornets Nest" or "The Lurking Hive"
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Terminus class-destroyer vs. Nebulon B
I think that it would be interesting to see if Sith Empire had better ships than Rebel Alliance or Empire
+Matyáš Slavík interesting
+Matyáš Slavík interesting
Thanks
Terminus is super durable it can ram space stations The Nebulon B can't take a beating like The Terminus
Terminus had a super strong hull while Nebulon was like a toothpick destroy the narrow middle section and you have 2 ships.
Strange choice, lucrehulk in episode one was a cargo vessel with some defenses for itself and blockade capabilities - if we streach it- as it did not really have opponents as naboo did not have anything really. More information about what I said you can find in interview with George Lucas and Dave Filoni after clone wars production ended ;)
Victory I Star Destroyer vs Venator
The star destroyer is a million times stronger and it carries more fighters
Kevin Olmeda not the Star Destroyer. Victory I Star Destroyer
Victory 1 is still an upgraded Venator so the Victory 1 would most likely win
Both empire ships are meant to replace the venator
Yes Finally Thank you. BTW Kevin the Venator carries way more fighters
I'm kind of surprised you didn't mention 1 major intangible: Separatist ship is not just a ship but also a star base, meaning it can function as a space station, a space port, and a repair/dock. Its also capable of carrying more cargo and with its huge communication array it can function better for command and control. Plus as you mentioned it's also a great carrier. The Home 1 is basically just a large cruiser with a decent fighter contingent.
It's really rather odd just how blatantly superior Clone Wars ships are including a few prewar ones like the Lucrehulk in this video are to the capital ships of the Galactic Civil War. Even taking into account the general inferiority of most of the Trade Federation/Confederacy units to anything produced in the GCW era, a Lucrehulk like this one would be able to take on an entire fleet of Star Destroyers pretty easily just through fighter spamming alone, wiping out the SD fleet's TIE fighter screen through sheer numbers of Vulture Droids before then kamikaze the SD fleet to oblivion likely before the SD fleet can even get close enough to engage them with their own turbolasers, and it's shields are strong enough to last a long barrage by said Star Destroyers long enough that the lesser amount of turbolaser fire the Lucrehulk has is effectively negated.
Then there's the 150,000 battle droids and hundreds of ground vehicles in addition to the capability of the Vulture Droids to act as light tanks, compared to the Imp II's 9,500 Stormtroopers and measly 6 minimum ground vehicles, while still possessing the amount of turbolasers needed to bombard a planet from orbit if need be fairly effectively, which makes it easily as effective at subjugating planets than that SD fleet is. That's just the premilitarized version, the ones in the actual Clone Wars have more effective starfighters like the Droid Tri-fighter and dedicated bombers like the Hyena-class that the Lucrehulk that is in this vid doesn't have while having even more ground vehicles and battle droids that make the odds even more insanely stacked against the fleet of Star Destroyers.
Lucrehulk is much larger than an ISD. Having said that, the ISD could easily close to range to open fire before its destruction, ISD's are really fast.
@@lenkagamine4145 A single ISD would be obliterated by the sheer number of fighters the Lucrehulk has available to it long before it could even get close enough to be in range to fire on the Lucrehulk. It would take an entire fleet of ISDs to stand a chance against one, that's how blatantly superior it is.
@@immortalfrieza Vulture droids dont carry lots of missiles and it takes time to launch that many fighters. Plus, thats assuming the battle doesnt start with them already within firing range, as battles often do in star wars due to hyperspace jumping. We also know vulture droids have a maximum range from that one dumb as hell battle with thrawn and the trade federation.
1 v 1? Possibly
1 v 2 or 3? No, just no, the Lucrehulk cannot hold off against that much firepower, sure the Lucrehulk can survive fire from flotillas of Venators but have you compared the weapons of a Venator to an ISD? An ISD alone has a least 3 Venators worth of firepower, the Lucrehulk would evaporate under that kind of fire. Also that's using the ISD 1 numbers, if you use the ISD 2 there's no comparison.
As for fighters I am not sure, if it's just one destroyer it's gonna be destroyed before it can kill the Lucrehulk but against two one would die while the other kills the Lucrehulk.
@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 It would take a fleet of Imperial Star Destroyers to have the fighter capacity of 1 Lucrehulk. Anything less and the Star Destroyers would be crushed by a swarm of fighters and bombers long before they could even get into firing range of their own weapons.
Even if then, The Lucrehulk has hundreds of anti-fighter and anti- capital ship weapons in addition to shields capable of shrugging off a fleet of Venators.
ISDs would require a fleet of at least a dozen or more just to begin to compare to a Lucrehulk in it's ability to both deal and withstand damage. This is a ship that is specifically meant to be powerful enough to hold entire planets on it's own.
This shows how crazy the wartime Lucrehulk was as the version that's basically a cargo freighter with some extra guns slapped on is able to solidly defeat a respected capital ship built decades later
Agreed, but I would give it to the Lucrehulk 9.5 times out of 10. Not only did they start carrying Hyenas and especially Tri-Fighters later in the Clone Wars, but the Vulture droid has buzz droid missile launchers, which would pretty much negate any material advantage that Rebel starfighters would have because the buzz droids would just disable the craft anyways.
honestly! one of the main arguments for the Mon Calamari ship is that is has dedicated bombers, but hyena bombers were also incredibly effective at destroying capital ships
In my Star Wars Table top group we've formed a Naboo rebel cell called Bombad Squadron, and are using a Lucherhulk , which lost its engines so its pretty much just a space station. its affectionally referred to as "Queen Lucher's station"
What about an MC90 star cruiser vs Anakin Solo/Black Annie (Jacen Solo's Flagship)?
aint that just a star destroyer
Not at all. Black Annie was upgraded with 4 super long range ultra heavy turbolasers, as well as a whole load of missile launchers on top of the standard complement carried by an Imperial-II Star Destroyer.
well then the mc90 is fucked since one standard ISD-II could kill one
The MC90 could soundly beat any standard Imperial model. An MC80 could fight an Imperial-II for a significant amount of time. And the MC90 had more armour, more and heavier weaponry and stronger shields than an MC80.
i still think the ISD would win because its a much more well designed and armed ship, but even if it wasn't, the anakin solo would beat it.
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The Millennium Falcon vs The Ghost
Lucrehulk Name: Endless Bounty
Not even started yet and I want to say that I absolutely love your videos and watch them every day mate, keep up the great work mate!
p.s: So glad this video is finally out and have been waiting to see it
3 Lucre-hulk fully equipped, vs earth
Earth=unicron
Posificlly in transformers prime and transformers bayverse
@@greenbean325 thank you for the stroke lol
An interesting thing about this battle is the location of the Lucrehulk's turboblaster batteries. Due to the fact that they are all mounted on the ring around the core and the Lucrehulk has crap mobility then you could simply position the MC80 above the Lucrehulk and have it blast the core while cycling energy in it's shields to cope with the few turboblasters not mounted on the ring.
Well, as Joseph Stalin once said, "Quantity has a Quality all its own." There's something to be said for overwhelming with sheer numbers.
Actually, the Lucrehulk variant you're talking about isn't necessarily *that* well-shielded. It's just the battleship version that can stand up to a flotilla of Venators. From Wookieepedia: Lucrehulk-class battleships that fought in the Clone Wars had less trouble with weak spots, as they were augmented with gun batteries and much stronger shielding. Batteries of long gunsand heavy guns complemented the additional quad turbolaser batteries added to the Lucrehulk superstructure when the war erupted.[13][14]Each ship was also now so powerful due to the increased amount of power devoted to offensive and defensive systems that a whole flotilla of Republic Star Destroyers was needed just to bring down a Lucrehulk's shields.
Victory-class Star Destroyer vs MC75
Canaan Craft Watch Rogue one. You have your answer
Darth Jar Jar The Wise Darth Jar Jar The Wise isn't so wise, that was a ISD not a victory
Echo of the 501st not to mention, Profundity was already heavily damaged
Actually, _Profundity_ had engaged *two* _Imperial_-class Star Destroyers, and only went down to a *third* after being worn down by the battle. That said, _Profundity_ had even worse armament than the MC80-class cruisers, and would probably have a hard time wearing down the _Victory_ cruiser's defenses itself.
Now, an MC40-class cruiser versus a _Victory_ cruiser would be more of a fair fight.
RtDK no profundity
wow, didn't think of this vs but It makes sense... I never expected the Lucrehulk to win as its just a refitted freighter that... well worked but that's about it. if you used the warship variant, then like you said it would be much tougher.
the Millennium falcon vs the Ghost
Kris Thomsen I've been trying to get this one since the first episode
Kris Thomsen the ghost would win it has better shields (not sure if it's just the plot armor Disney makes) and weaponary + it has an extra ship
Are you sure about that Jake Timberlake? I would like to see the Ghost be exposed to the same amount of punishment that the Milinium Falcon takes in the battle of Hapes and survive. I'm not convinced about the weaponary either.
Kris Thomsen the ghost doesn't have as many repair issues as the falcon did tho
Jake Timberlake the ghost might not have the same number of issues, but to say the falcon would lose because of its issues is not giving the falcon enough credit. the falcon has stronger weaponry, is faster, and has a stronger hull and/or shield (it takes a beating from several Star Destroyers in the film's), I'm not sure the ghost wins purely by being slightly more functional
You forgot one major tactical asset in the Lukrehulk's arsenal, it can fire 50% of its weaponry in any direction. Also Praetor II-Class Battlecruiser Vs. Keldabe-class Battleship.
venator vs harrower
chaszczek yessss
what do you mean vulture droids aren't very maneuverable the some of the fastest ships in star wars and can make impossible maneuvers because they don't have organic pilots which is the main advantage of a vulture droid
Malevolence sister ship Devastation vs The Eclipse
It could go either way. Both ships have a bow mounted super weapon capable of sinking their opponent in one shot. If one side gets a shot off before the other, they win. If both beams fire simultaneously and collide mid flight... I’m not sure. Is the devastation a planet killer? Sources differ as the to the power of the Eclipse’s super laser. If both superweapons are disabled I’m not sure who wins.
If a Seperatist remmant Lucrehulk and a Rebel MC80 ever meet I think it be more likely that the Rebel Captain would try to negotiate to the captain of the Lucrehulk into joining the Rebel Alliance since they share a common enemy in the form of the Empire.
do the superstar destroys vs the eclipses class
i believe he did one with 3 ssd's vs the eclipse
The best tactic for taking out a Lucrehulk would be from behind, since its engines seem less well protected. Coming in from above would mean that all of its turbolasers on the upper side could converge on one target, basically tearing it to pieces. The same would apply to attacking from below. Head-on would only allow the forward facing turbolasers to fire. Its donut shape design results in it having very few blind spots. Compare that to the wedge shape of a Star Destroyer, which can never really maximize its firepower on one target. Facing forward means that the turbolasers at the back can't really fire and striking a target from orbit means that the turbolasers on the upper surface are useless. And the Star Destroyer is a dedicated warship, while the Lucrehulk is basically a converted transport ship.
Give me a retrofitted lucrehulk anyday! Upgrade it's shielding abit and have better fighter ships stationed then it'll be perfect 👌🏼
Oh yeah, it's my favorite. :D
Lucrehulk and Munificent are my favourite ships, if I had a fleet it would be mostly these ships, plus they look sexy AF
Would like to see the MC80 vs Providence, Mon Cala vs Quarren tech
Meh. The MC 80 would just start a single x-wing piloted by an astromech droid and the x-wing would hyperspaceram.
An interesting match up. I think that some of the value of the droid starfighters is their ramming ability. In The Clone Wars ramming attacks by these guys were very effective (realistically probably too effective), but also in the Outbound flight book, droid starfighters from a Lucrehulk did a lot a damage through ramming.
His voice is so diffrent
The Lucrehulk also has some pretty gnarly shields, post refit that is, the Coruscant battle shows turbolasers only hitting the shields and not the actual ships during the battle
To this day the confederacy is my favorite faction.
I think you could compare the Federation ship to the Shield Gate in Rogue One. Just look how this thing was destroyed. Yes there were an insane amount of Tie's but the Y-Wings could really mess up the shields and Turbolasers.
Victory II cruiser
VS.
MC-30
Name of my lucrehulk,
The Stormbearer
Keldabe-class battleship vs Imperial II class
The Home-one is one of my favorite ships, I just love the design
Mc75 ( profundity ) vs Victory II star destroyer ( 3rd try let's go ! )
I’d take a Lucerhulk battleship with escort destroyers and frigates any day
CAS Class assault carrier (halo) vs mandator 2 class star dreadnought (star wars).
Meganinja119 Why not an OAS? (Super carrier)
Captain Frost CSO class is the super carrier. The OAS is fan made.
I like watching your older videos. It shows how you've improved as in this fight you're slightly misinformed on the capabilities of the Lucrehulk and it's fighters and the MC80's extensive advantages but in your recent videos, you really did your homework and had a much better presentation.
Covenant Supercarrier vs the Executor
UNSCBlueBear117 The Convenant super carrier was I believe about as powerfull as the UNSC Infinity (in combat). The UNSC Infinity was about as strong as the FO star destroyer (which is far less powerfull than a star dreadnought). Thus a supercarrier would easily get it's ass whipped by a star dreadnought.
But that Supercarrier use and a bit weak the covenant was not think that a ship will ram the so the Shilling on the Covenant supercarrier was off the banshee shilling then normal TIEs and the Seraph could stand toe to toe with the best TIE fighters and that was not a supercarrier that more a Covenant Light cruiser that got ram not a supercarrier sorry they both look the smaller
UNSCBlueBear117 No I didn't mean the cruiser that got rammed by the Infinity in that cutscene. I mean an actual covenant supercarrier.
Please bring this series back. I loved this.
Honestly I think I'd give the nod to the MC80 here as the droid fighters are unshielded and would have to swarm the MC80 could fire randomly in all directions and take out numerous enemies and the shielded rebel starfighters would be able to destroy multiple ships per run while being able to shrug off multiple hits. The other thing not mentioned in the battle is the MC80's ion cannons. On top of being able to disable dozens of unshielded starfighters per shot they also give the MC80 a huge advantage in taking down the lucrehulk's shields in the battle.
On top of which, the MC-80's commander wouldn't notice intermittent control of the droid starfighters when the Command Ship gets hit by Ion Cannons? Ion Cannons canonically disrupt electronic systems on the targeted ships, and all the Command Ship is in essence is a control center for all those drones.
You are all forgeting 2 important things. First: Vulture droids are unshielded yes, but they are fully autonomus not controled, they also have some of the best brains of all the droids in star wars universe meaning they coud adapt and learn wery quickly plus they had guaided missiles. And second:Lucrehulk woudn´t be carring just vultures but also tri-fighters(which were far superior to vultures or even tie-fighters in dog fight) but also Hyena bombers, that would blow the hell out of Home one. (By the way do you know that all droid fighters are programed to go KAMIKAZI when damaged?)
While vultures are indeed some of the smartest, they aren't really adaptable, it's shown time and time again that pilots who pull unorthodox tactics are able to take down the vultures because they can't seem to follow those maneuvers.
However they are indeed autonomous, fast, and while unshielded they do make up for it in firepower.
Add in the whole swarm tactic. During the opening salvo against rebel starfighters, both sides will take horrendous losses, as they'll be firing back and forth with torpedoes and lasers. This is bad for the rebels because they will lose morale as they see their friends being popped while the droids won't mind.
The main difference being that vultures have buzz droids, which will attach and continue to sabotage rebel fighters that make it off the original opening salvo.
Honestly a single vulture isn't that much of a problem, against trained pilots, rebel pilots however have different degree of training and will struggle with them, causing massive losses.
So based on morale, skills, and numbers, the vultures will be outpacing the rebel star fighters even if they can't adapt to their supposedly innovative tactics which will be performed rarely by only the veteran pilots and only when the veterans have the space to do it after the numbers on both sides dwindle to allow space around them to perform such tactics.
Overall I have to agree with eck, the lukrehulk simply has too many fighters to be easily taken down.
bogustoast22 none You’re forgetting a couple of things thought. These would be the original vulture droids, so they wouldn’t be very well armed and there would be no buzz droids, as those wouldn’t be invented for a few years still. Vulture droids in Episode 1 still did relay on the Droid control ship, so if the Rebels did notice ion disruptions to the core ship, they would have a pretty good chance at taking it out.
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It may be because I have a bias towards Droid swarm tactics, but being able to simply overwhelm the enemy with numbers is in of itself a great go to tactic, specially when you don't really lose anyone, allowing for far more aggressive tactics while the rebels will be losing years of experience with every fighter loss.
To add flame to the fire, while ion cannons are effective, it's only when in range, and we know that usually fighters meet each other in the middle before the ships are within range or one another, so on the usual combat scenario it would be fighter v fighter then the survivors add their assistance to the ship, as such, rebel fighters and bombers must face and defeat the swarm of droids or try to bypass them in order to fire directly on the ship and disable it (hence disabling the droid fighters) as such, it will be near impossible to pull off, as the droids, even without buzz droids, can simply shoot the Y wings as they are slow, and battle it out with B wings, A wings and X wings. At which point overwhelming tactics come into effect.
Holy shit I thought the footage you were showing from the battle of Naboo was from the Star Wars Clone Wars TV series at first. That CGI is...just wow
MC90 Star Cruiser vs Imperial II Star Destroyer
MC90's shields would let it edge out the _Imperial II._ Its defenses would last long enough for its own guns to start chewing through the _Imperial II's_ weapon complement and weaken its offensive capability, then it'd be a floating hulk of sitting duck.
RtDK
I don't think so, the MC90 was the first Mon Cal ship designed specifically for warfare instead of being a luxury or colony ship refitted for combat.
It has 75 turbolasers, 30 ion cannons, 6 proton torpedo launchers, and 72 assorted starfighters.
It's specifically stated that the MC90 has the firepower required to challenge an Imperial-class Star Destroyer. And given the general superiority of Rebel starfighters over their Imperial counterparts, I think they'd be able to punch their way through and help attack the Imperial II.
I do agree the Imperial II has a lot of firepower, especially with those octuple barbette turbolasers/ion cannons, but I think this would be a fairly even fight if the ships went head to head with their typical configurations
Guess we'll have to hope our OP notices your request, then. >:)
RtDK
One can only hope 😏
Wait I thought that the vulture droids and other droid star-fighters were way more maneuverable than their organic counterparts, their limitations being their fuel time, weak armor, and their lack of cunning and whatnot. Also the droid star-fighters without their buzz droids could destroy most pilots without plot armor. Also the droids did have their own dedicated bombers.
the melavolence vs the Merciless hand!
or the aggressor class star destroyer
Melavolence beats any ship bigger than it. There's no way either of those could dodge the charge. They would be decimated with no guns or shields.
Noah King Not SSD
It's weird that Star Wars made the droids lose the war even though most of their ships could dominate the republics and they could produce them so much quicker. I think they should have toned down the CIS to make it more believable that they could lose.
Death Star vs Centerpoint Station
Make More. I love these.
bellator vs space battleship yamato
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Please do CSO-class supercarrier vs Executor-class Star Dreadnought, and Mantle's Approach vs Death Star.
Also Covenant Empire vs The First Order and Forerunner Ecumene vs Galactic Empire
I think you missed on this one. but I love your Match ups. keep it up..
name it Beetlejuice!
Millennium Falcon Vs Ebon Hawk
A luckrehulk also carried hyena bombers. I would name a Luckrehulk battleship The Pannoia. Star Trek Intrepid class vs. Star wars Hammerhead cruiser.
Providence Class Dreadnaught versus Victory 1 Cruiser!!
Please, this is my 5th time suggesting this.
Victory 1 is the same power scale as a venator essentially so just put a venator against a providence and you have an answer
Fun fact: In the Republic at War mod from Empire at War, the level 5 space station for the seperatists was in fact a Lucrehulk-class.
Slave 1 vs Melenium Falcon! Pls thats the 5th Try😭
Slave 1 has the armament of a ship 5 times its size, it would crush the larger freighter
Good video. Very enjoyable.
didalus(star gate) vs star destroyer
Roman Berkutov you mean dedalus class also know as bc 304 from stargate vs imperial class star destroyer
yep
you mean Daedalus
A BC304 Deadelus class vs Imperial Star Destroyer would totaly depend on when and which ship.
if it was an early BC304 the ISD would stand a chance, if it was the Odyssey with the ZPM then the ISD would be unable to penetrate the sheilds, if it was any 304 with the post SG1 Asgard upgrades including the plasma beams then the ISD stands no chance, even it it was an Eclypse class unless it managed to land a hit with the superlaser.
Can we get an updated video of this match up?
mc80 maria vs providence
You should do a video with a first order destroyer
versus empire destroyer
EckhartsLadder, i think you should be able to look at the ships more subjectively. Even you claim that you want to give a category to a ship just because you like it more. I think this is not a good way to look at these battles. You are currently what i've seen, biased towards Rebel ships even thought pretty much all of them lose 10/10 times when competing wth their imperial counterparts.
Ah, yes, one of the most well-known ships of the Star Wars universe, the Looserehulk-class Digital Combat Simulator.
One thing I think you overlook about the droid fighters are: They could be swapped out for a compliment of Trifighters, or other drone ships. Droid ships would also be able to do maneuvers that a human simply cannot without knocking themselves out from the G-Forces, in addition to having a smaller profile than an X-Wing, making them more comparable to a bunch of A-wings, but lacking the need for life support systems.
Another advantage the Lucrehulk has: It requires only a crew of 150-300 to be fully manned, compared to the home one's minimum crew of 1230.
They were also relatively cheap for their specifications at only 40 million credits, compared to an imperial star destroyer at 150 million.
In the Star Wars book Outbound Flight Vice Lord Kav's flagship Trad Federation Battleship was named the Dark Venge
Have you done a Juggernaut (AV-6? H-6?) vs AT-AT matchup yet? That would be cool.
Also, a separatist corvette vs Republic corvette cold be really cool too. Or frigates if they don't have corvettes on hand 😅
If I do want to have a Carrier Battle Fleet it will be that Trade Fed Battle ship, with an MC Heavy Carrier and multiple Venator Star Destroyers. And corvette support against star fighters
The kyramud-type battleship vs the borrower class dreadnought, both old republic & would be cool to see the best old imperial ship vs the best mandalorian ship at the height of their respective powers