You can't really compare any of these to the lucrehulk. It could carry 1000s of fighters as well as entire armies, not to mention dozens of full sized starships as big as medical frigates or bigger.Their shields are very powerful too. You could see that at the battle of coruscant where huge ships are blowing up all around them while they barely took any scratches. These are some of the most formidable ships in all of star wars lore in my opinion
Death By Design Graphics before i make my joke, i agree, but i HAVE go make this reference.... Strongest carrier in star wars>>>>proceeds to be spinned because its a good trick
All of these ships in the video were being judged by how good they were at being carriers. I interpreted it as you saying that the Lucrehulk isn't a carrier because of the amount of stuff it can carry. I was just trying to relate it to a real world factual example.
No I was just saying that it is a mega beast compared to the others. There literally is no comparison and it's kind of stupid to even try to compare them to it.
I would've loved it if the Lucrehulk had appeared after the clone wars. Either used by the imperials as orbital space stations or used by the Rebels as a flagship. How badass would it have been if a small wing of Star Destroyers are targeting some poor little CR 90 when all of a sudden this massive, suped up Lucrehulk from a bygone era just hyperdrives in almost on top of them. Streams of Rebel fighters pour from it's hangers as the turbolaser batteries start shredding the closest Star Destroyer. The others panic attempting to leave the system but the Rebel starfighters destroy their engines with impunity as TIE fighters attempting to leave their hanger bays are shredded by fighters and the concentrated fire from 100's of point defense lasers. Soon, all that is left are bits and pieces of the Imperial ships which are quickly picked thru by Rebel salvage teams while larger cargo, parts, and repairable starfighters are ushered into the massive cargo bays of the Lucrehulk. Now devoid of the droids that once threatened whole planets and was the stage upon which the clone wars began, the battleship serves on as the home of a Rebellion that will attempt to undo the damage done by plans set in motion a hundred years earlier. It slowly turns away from the battlefield, seeming as unfazed by this brief respite as by it's long interwar slumber. The last ships board the Lucrehulk before it warps away to some new battle in a much, much larger war.
Yep, before "Movie" attack on the Death Star, Rebels tried to destroy it once, with pretty decent force of xwings launched from a Lucrehulk. TL;DR Poor tactics, they all died. Eckharts made a video on it! :D
Maybe this will happen, after the Han Solo-tragedy is forgotten, and something new will be realized that is set after the Clone Wars. I have always liked the idea that a TV show which is set in the timespan between Episode III and IV would be realized. I'm pretty sure that we had encountered several Warlords, remnants of the CIS, with equipment from the Clone Wars.
Can any wing of presumably ISDs be small, if just single one of them is considered as full line in Navy's order of battle? They would've rather detect huge object coming in hyperspace, launch fighters and then casually murder the shit out of the Lucrehulk. Why? Because they're at this time superior in ship-to-ship combat, and he's outdated "battleship" transformed from trade vessel. Rebels won't risk losing it, and won't add heavy guns to ship that absolutely shouldn't carry them. I would like to see rebel Lucrehulks, yes, but as mobile command centers and starfighter carriers, capable od quickly delivering whole squadrons to different parts of Galaxy. Pretty much like the real-world naval carriers. That would be dope, actually.
/P J\ its the only real carrier on this list the venattor was used wrong and the empire star destroyer was to well armed and didn't have enough fighters and the rebels don't really need a specialized carrier
Dexter Nexus that ship was large enough to accomodate everything... You may as well replace the droid control module and the massive droid comm array (Which takes a big chunk of the ship) to replace them with life support modules and beds.
Eh, not from a strategic standpoint. Sure, a single Lucrehulk is powerful, but its hyperdrive is slow and it can only be in one point at once while costing a lot (also in maintenance). That means that a small fleet of Venators, costing about the same amount of resources, could be deployed to different points in a sector, quickly react to threats or opportunities, then band together to fight larger battles, while the Lucrehulk only does large battles well. It's just not versatile.
Adarsh lal That's what I mean. One planet. One location at once. That's what I mean with "strategic". A good strategist faces the enemy where he's weak, not face-on. A fleet of Venators could deploy fighters at ten places at once, destroy supply lines and depots, and entirely avoid the Lucrehulk until it runs out of fuel... Just as one example. Being fast and numerous opens up a lot of strategies that a single big ship doesn't have. The Lucrehulk is great ... For a small set of purposes. Huge battles are rare.
A nasty variation of the Venator as a battleship, would be to drop the carrier capacity and use the hanger space to store heavy missiles. Add extra launchers at the front so it can fire massive salvos and it could just rain continuous death upon enemy ships that could overwhelm defenses. The extra missiles wouldn't require extra reactor power like extra guns would, just feeding mechanisms to load missiles into tubes. The hanger doors could either be removed, or left there to confuse the enemy as to which version the ship was until it fired, especially if it was a simple modification of an existing Venator carrier and not a new purpose built frame from the ground up. Also using the Venator frame aids logistics and speeds development. Ther only issue is how expensive and difficult is it to make proton missiles? While now useless as a carrier, in a battlegroup it is a lethal ship killer, and with different missiles or torpedoes fitted in torpedo launchers, a good fighter killer as well.
Chris sonofPear Yeah, but if a Venator is canonically capable of holding 400 craft on its own, it would make sense for a ten-time more massive ship to at least hold that many, particularly if it’s supposed to be an evolution of said Venator.
Chris sonofPear Btw, it’s even weirder that they made stuff up concerning the assertor armament, since just the number of visible guns on the hull utterly dwarf the official stats they came up with...
@@nihluxler8823 welp, the venator sacrificed most of its firepower and probably reactors to have such a great number of fighters, thats why it is kinda under armed, but the Secutor did not do that as much as the Venator, also, it was an imperial design so they probably thought "yo having a carrier is great and all but... what if we just put more guns in it instead of fighters!"
The Secutor is useless. Not enough turbolasers to destroy a SD-sized vessel, not enough fighters to be called a carrier, not enough PD to fight off any sizable fighter force, and not fast enough to even flee. The Luckrehulk was the obvious choice, with it's background of being a bulk transport class. It's been a while since you did a versus video. How about something from Homeworld? A Hiigaran destroyer vs the Galactica, maybe?
MrAzkhare The fractalsponge version of the secutor has a 720 fighter complement and 43 heavy turbolasers (24 octuple, 6 twin, 13 quad) as well as three heavy ion cannon turrets, which make it roughly equivalent in term of firepower to 3-4 ISDs. The ship’s official stats just make no sense.
The cutaway picture of the Lucrehulk gives it a size, in comparison to the landing ships, of about 4480m from bow to stern. Well, that makes it even more capable :) I would always go with this ship (full military version off course)
@@spaceengineeringempire4086 Dude, 6 years after commenting :) Love the internet and as I am working on PC right now - here my answer: Well, I would prefer to add even MORE turbolasers on it, I would customize this beautiful ship heavily. I see myself as pirate captain with this vessel, no doubt. Have a good day, Sir :)
I really agree with the Lucrehulk. It's a great design because it also has a far greater range of degrees of attack due to the round shape. The hangars are large, easier egress for fighters to enter and leave, and safer as they are shielded by sections of the ship without major blockage from the hull. The command module is also a bit better shielded by being in a central location of the ship, but with the open area kinda evens out it's exposure. Also, the command module being able to detach from the main hull would give it a little more flexibility as it can shed the damaged outer hull and be fitted to a new, undamaged hull for a greater turnaround rate to re-engage into battles. During that time the damaged hull can either be repaired or scrapped to refit repairable hulls. For a Star Wars capital ship, it's impressively well designed from a creative standpoint and undoubtedly one of the most unique ships in the Star Wars universe. How about a Lucrehulk vs. Imperial I Star destroyer video?
I'd give it to the Lucrehulk. It's twice the size, it has a lot more fighters, and it's a lot more durable. The only real advantage of the ISD is the fact that it's a dedicated warship, that has better forward firing angles thanks to the dagger shape.
Alright nice. I hadn't actually heard of the Empire's carrier, I assumed you were going to use the Quasar-class, which I probably would have put in last place anyways. Kind of surprising that the Rebels, with their reliance on starfighter superiority, wouldn't have a better carrier. Although it does kind of make sense, they wouldn't want to have all their starfighters situated in one ship, which could be destroyed. Instead, they spread them throughout the fleet, with whichever ships had hanger bays. One could even argue that since most of their starfighters had hyperdrives, a full-on carrier would be largely unnecessary.
The venator definitely fit that role while a lurcehulk is like a space station and not only that it carry a bunch of stuff beside starfigther while if you look at real life carrier only carry fighter, bomber, and torpedo plane now they carry transport and helicopters but if you want to carry stuff that transport stuff you use a amphibious transport dock or an amphibious assault ship that look like a carrier but only carry helicopters and two hovercraft or landing boat and none of these ship have good defense
Lucrehulk by far, no contest. Its fighter capacity, size and durability outclass almost any other carrier, with its only weakness being its slow speed.
Well to compensate tk that add a fleet of frigates and corvettes. Plus the main ship “lucerhulk” is also a cargo ship so there’s your supply ship as well.
One little nitpick with the Venator - The turbolasers on it appear, at least to me, to be SIGNIFICANTLY larger and more powerful than the typical turbolaser. I don't know whether or not this is canon, but you should look into it.
The Turbolasers on the Venator are Twin Barreled DBY-827 Turbolasers Cannons They are pretty damn stronk. Not op or anything but they can get the job done. I know this is four years late
I'm going to assume you mean the "BIG ASS ION CANNONS" were those main guns on the front, they were actually TWO BIG HEAVY ASS TURBOLASER CANNONS. Also, the Munificent has weaponry called "Flak cannons" which just sounds deadly.
Not really, most of the weaponry in star wars is energy based (made of highly concentrated plasma). Flak cannons fire actual projectiles at a certain distance which then detonate and send shrapnel in all directions. They can cause massive damage to un shielded structures and ships.
Great video. Lots of love Visually the rebel carrier looks cool in my opinion. But, I will have to agree with you on the CIS carrier it’s one of my favorite ships. It looks intimidating, lots of power and durability.
agreed, its definitely a very powerful, very flexible ship. the ability to carry BOTH a buttload of fighters and ground troops/armor/supplies make is so great. I think theres some flavor text highlighted in another one of these videos saying that a single lucrehulk (if thats how its spelled) can lock down an entire planet.
The Venator could've made for a terrifying warship if you replaced all the fighter space with missile bays. Imagine that dorsal hangar opening up, with thousands of anti-ship missiles being primed and ready to fire.
Just imagine how cool it would have been to see the Venator Model of ships being revived by the New Republic. I mean they fit perfectly with the Rebel Alliance combat doctrine of carrier focus.
If you were to turn the Lucrehulk into a dedicated fighter carrier, and remove the ground vehicles and C-9979 landing craft, you could carry a truly insane amount of fighters
Stakuga The Undying another comment from me. Copied for you: I don't think the Veantor is lightly armed. Here are some reasons(or just two) 1. When you look at those Turbolasers. They are very big if you compare them with the rest of the ship 2. In Episode 5 a Imperial Star destroyer hits the Falcon and deals damage In the battle where R2 got lost a Venator one-shot a munificent class frigate that had put all powers to the front deflector shields(and I'm talkin about a clone wars episode. Not about coruscant) So i think they don't many. But the ones they have are impressive
Stakuga The Undying not enough to save it alone. But everyone said the ISD has like 8 times more turbolasers. But in strenght the 8 from the venator are not the same as 8 XX-9.
I gotta say, I love the detailed and focused analysis and comparison of tech and roles. Your perseverance has inspired me to start my own channel :) Thanks EckhartsLadder! May the Force be with you
Because they are good ships? The design allows them to be different and so if the Empire had the layout of one, they may not know another. The Shielding is the best, The Hull is fairly strong. They could match and defeat Imperial star destroyers. basically they are just good.
That's not even a close or fair match. A resurgent would annihilate the MC85. The MC85 is pitifully armed with 18 heavy turbolasers 18 heavy ion cannons, and 6 concussion missle launchers compared to the 1500+ turbolasers and ion cannons for the Resurgent. The superiority of X-Wings and A-Wings has little effect because of the PD system, the advances in the TIE line, and also because they aren't bombers, so won't actually do much. The Resistance's only bombers were carried by the Ninca, and they would've been shot down easily. The biggest advance is the shielding, which can cover its starfighters when leaving the hangar, but that also means starfighters can go under it, like we see in TLJ, making it even weaking to the 144 TIEs carried by the Resurgent
Jedi Archives To be fair the 1500+ weapons includes the Point defense cannons too (which would be most of that number), not just anti-capital ship level Turbolasers and Ion cannons. It out guns it, very true yes, but not to the degree that the numbers would seem to indicate on first pass. Still curious to see what Ecks would think of this match-up.
I think you underestimate the venator’s firepower, you see it broadside the invisible hand in ROTS and it does heavy damage, in the clone wars tv show it destroys munnificents with no problem and they were armed for frontline combat, it clearly is a more capable battleship than you give it credit for. (Love your faction compared vids btw keep doing them there great).
Sam dale tbh the Invisible hands shields were depleted over an entire days worth of fighting, and in the show you can figure out that the damage for ship lasers is relatively inconsistent and more to move the plot along. For instance in the Sky battle of quell, 4 Munificents defeated 3 Venators, but in the Battle between Anakins and Cad Banes fleet, 1 Venator absolutely obliterates 4 Munificents without so much as a scratch on itself.
You really can't modify it to be better at both roles at the same time. Because it is supposed to be as good as it can be in both roles. The only thing I can think of to make it better at either task without impacting other other would be to re-arrange the turrets so that they make sense (which would increase forward/rear facing firepower). You could make an improved battleship version very easily though.
The Venator and Secutor are products of their time. The Venator is armed to repel swarms of fighters while having just enough turbolasers to deal with the standard CIS ships. While the Secutor was made early on in Imperial history, drawing experience from the the clone wars, this can be best seen in the bridge towers it has.
One thing to keep in mind when deciding carriers is to see how fast the ships can launch their fighters. The home One had only 2 launch bays while the Secutor looked like it had 8 launch bays.
I don't think the Veantor is lightly armed. Here are some reasons(or just two) 1. When you look at those Turbolasers. They are very big if you compare them with the rest of the ship 2. In Episode 5 a Imperial Star destroyer hits the Falcon and deals damage In the battle where R2 got lost a Venator one-shot a munificent class frigate that had put all powers to the front deflector shields(and I'm talkin about a clone wars episode. Not about coruscant) So i think they don't many. But the ones they have are impressive
Chris sonofPear really? In a book that i have they look 10-30 Meters. But one XX-9 is like 50 meters huge(but you can't see them on a ISD easily. Very strange)
I think that the Empire should have kept some of the Venators. They are great carriers/anti Starfighter ships (lots of point-defence lasers), and Imperial-class star destroyers are great against capital ships. Together, they would have been very effective. The Empire is a bit stupid.
I feel like maybe including cost into the equation would be useful! It’s easy to say the Lucrehulk class is the best; however, you can build/purchase far more Venator class with the same amount of resources. Love the video! All of your content is incredible!
even including cost efficiency, the Lucrehulk is very cheap for its size due to its civilian origins and being built by the trade federation. They're able to field them in large numbers.
if I was in charge of the Venator design, I would have made a few changes, first off, I would make the haul thicker and bulkier to make it harder to blow up, add a few turbo lasers on the top and bottom and have a shield added to the ventral hander bay opening to make that protected while still being able to deploy starfighter's, and all landing pad's with a higher starship and troop carry capacity
Good video! I always like your videos, nice and relaxing to listen to at work. A suggestion for a future topic could be which faction best compliments another faction if they teamed up. So faction A strengths would compliment faction B weakness in this field.
I have a legitimate question. Could you mount a hypervelocity cannon in r a variation of one to a ship? I don't know all that much about them and I'm curious. Also, how effective would it be?
I’d love to see the Lucrehulk make its way back into cannon, perhaps as a ship the Mandalorians use to help retake Mandalore, or as a planetary defense ship, or as a base of operations for some very wealthy underworld character.
One major problem not mentioned is the Lukrehulk only has two launch doors in a very confined space. As a generic navy looking for a carrier I would be very hesitant if choosing the Lukrehulk. The droid starfights that can stand on the hull are the only way the carrier can “rapidly” deploy it’s fighters.
The Republic Fleet? You mean those 3 Venators and the camouflage ship? Busted in minutes... And the CIS Fleet, not hard to tell. The Providence dreadnought will be able to keep against 1 ISD. Also they had like 20 Munificent against the other 2 ISD. Also they had several Lucrehulks. That means Starfighter superiority. Not much the empire could do.
The Republic had more than just 3 Venators, I think there were 3 Peltas (Or whatever they were called) for fighter defenses, Also the 1200 Fighters that that could already beat the Tie-Fighter 1 on 1
Kane123a if you look at starfighters it is 1200 vs 250. Also the cloak ship can fly behind the ISD and attack the shield generstors (or the bridge) from behind
yay i get to watch a video in its first hour of being uploaded, usually im late but not this time! on topic i like the venator just cause of the appearance. its kinda wedgey but not as "boring" as a star destroyer and i too like how it can open up the top doors and literally just dump its fighters right into space
I'd personally prefer the Venator over the Lucrahulk, but I believe it comes down to doctrine and situation. One Lucrahulk equals to more than just one Venator, both in terms of cost tonage. Having more ships consequently allows for more tactical options, especially so when taking into account that the Venator is pretty versatile. After deploying its fighters it could act as a light cruiser, helping the primary ones. It's firepower is not to be underestimated and its durability is well-known. So given the choice, I would prefer a more adaptable and maneuverable fleet. I see the Lucrahulk as somewhat of a centre-piece in a fleet, with everything else being build around it. In my opinion this role is better suited for a dreadnaught or generally something focused on firepower. Anyways great video! Can't wait for the next Empire at War episode!
Yes, but thats pretty much its only weakness in this one. The Hunter is faster, more manuverable, has stronger weapons and at least equal shields. Also it has the higher advanced technology in terms of aiming computers.
Prediction: Lucrehulk for sure. It's absurd hanger space just takes the cake. Even if you account for its larger size it still clearly surpasses all rivals in that criteria. Not to mention its excellent durability and high level of firepower (on the refit). Considering it's a converted cargo transport, the Lucrehulk sure makes a great Capital Ship. The Venator does have a lot of hanger space for a ship of its size, but it's a fraction of what the Lucrehulk possesses (and while I am aware of the official starfighter figures for it, frankly they seem impossible, so I don't believe them). And really, I just find the Venator generally underwhelming. Looking at it, it's clear that it's been designed more for anti-fighter duties than normal capital ship functions. I'm not sure how I'd place the Empire or Rebels because I don't know what's been picked for them. I'd have expected the Quasar class but I don't think that's the silhouette I see. And the Rebels seems like the Home One, which is a great ship, but its status as a carrier is debatable.
I really like the Lucrehulk too, as it had so much empty space that it could spam and overwhelm enemies with droid bombers and fighters. It also looks really cool.
High Templar(Starcraft) vs Jedi/Sith Raynor's Raiders(Starcraft) vs Resistance Terran Dominion(Starcraft) vs Galactic Republic/New Republic Protoss(Starcraft) vs Covenant Zerg (Starcraft) vs Empire Protoss(Starcraft) vs CIS United Koprulu Sector(Starcraft) vs United Star Wars Galaxy 70th try. I WILL NEVER GIVE UP!
Kind of a stomp for United Koprulu if you include The Overmind(Free Overmind that isnt obsessed with uniting the purity of essence and the purity of form), The Damn thing is basically a flehsy A.I that gone rogue(and if it wasnt for the quick rush in trying to accomplish its mission it would've conquered the Koprulu sector without difficulty)
I think the republic had a battleship or bigger sized ship but only a dozen were made and stationed mostly around the major trade routes into the Core Worlds. These things were huge and packed a massive amount of fire power which is probably why the CIS needed that hidden hyperspace route to get to Coruscant.
The CIS definitely has the best combined arms Navy setup. It makes you wonder they didn't try to force more space battles. Or even lower droid production in favor of building more capital ships.
Looking at the official specs of the Gladiator, it was actually incredibly under-armed for a ship of its class. Pretty astonishing really. But whichever would make a better fight, right?
If we are looking at the same thing, it only has 5 Light turberlaser Batteries. It would have to focus on doing a lot of damage with its concussion missile tubes. Which.. ok, wow. apparently it has 300 of them. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gladiator-class_Star_Destroyer
You should make a video dedicated to the organisation of the cis fleet and generally videos on that topic i think that it would be really interesting !(btw your factions compared videos are awsome keep up the good work )
Galactic versus idea. Protoss from Starcraft against the flood from halo, I think the Protoss might be one of the few things that could beat the flood and actually exterminate them
Generic Human that is the argument that is always brought up. it makes the flood pretty much a waste of time to suggest in a fight against most factions because it is incredibly overpowered.
The reason I prompt this is because I think the Protoss are the best suited for fighting them, their weapons all burn targets, (pretty much) they fight infestation type enemies a lot, they have very very powerful incinerateing from orbit weapons, they can spread info pretty quick so the flood aren’t gonna take a place quick enough to stop a message from getting out, as relation to the Zerg remember what swann said “ if the Protoss wanted to rule the galaxy they could” now we have purifiers, interesting no doubt, as they would likely burn through the flood. The biggest thing however is they are the pure of form, not even a Abathur could find a way to infest them, so they might be like Chief or any other spartan and be resistant, meaning it takes a good deal of time to take over, and a lack of mouths means airborn won’t work. Finally we have Artanis, who would rally the other factions to join them against the parasite. I could think of 3 possible scenarios, one where flood invade Protoss only, one where Protoss attack a large flood controlled system, and have to kill the gravemind. And one where the flood invaded the entire Starcraft galaxy. I think they would be one of the few races to stand a chance, as the galaxy is smaller and flood can’t grow big without alerting everyone. They are perfect for fighting them, and they use a lot of independent mechs, meaning no mendicant bias situation. Also just saying, swarm hosts, cannons, siege tanks, colossus, pertition turrets, carriers, all I can say is goooooooood luck getting past those
I think you should do best repulsor lift vehicle next with the C.i.s and there AAT, empire the 2m repulsor tank, the rebels the T-2b tank and republic the saber tank
You could up the fighter capacity of the lucrehulk to ludicrous degrees temporarily if you cover the outer hull in vulture droids. Of course, they'd be burning fuel but you may be able to double the number of fighters. Better yet, the first wave is already in position to deploy while the ones stored internally are still warming up.
I actually prefer the Venator since in RaW it only takes 3 build cap,has that beam weapon we see in Episode 3,can go face to face with most ships in RaW ,not only does it carry a a decent number of fighters but compared the to the CIS they are of higher quality plus it's so much easier bringing Venators in from hyperspace to be as close as possible for a tight formation due to their rectangular/sword like shape.
I will agree that the Lucrehulk spam can be quite overwhelming in RaW but I don't speak from experience since I haven't really ran into the AI spamming in my worlds for some reason.
Couple of funny things about real world carriers: They tend to be very durable (disabling the flight deck is easier then sinking it) and they started as scout cruisers and became capital ships after fighter range and reliability improved. The military shorthand for carrier (CV) stands for Cruiser aViation (CA stands for Cruiser Armored)
A new idea for galactic versus: STAR WARS 2M Saber tank vs. HALO Skorpion tank(whatever type you want) vs. COMMAND AND CONQUER GDI Mammoth MK III I'd love to see which of theese tanks comes out on top.
Please bring back starship versus I've got some suggestions MC85 cruiser vs Secutor star destroyer Mandator IV dreadnought vs assertor/executor super star destroyer Dp20 frigate vs Brahatok gunship Rebel alliance fleet at Scarif vs Plo Koons fleet against the Malevolence Thrawns fleet at Attalon vs CIS Fleet at Kamino Recusant light destroyer vs assault frigate mark II or Nebulon C frigate 15th attempt
Thunderbolt starfury from Babylon 5 vs the Sabre from Halo Reach. VF-1S Valkyrie variable fighter from SDF Macross (not Robotech) vs Union Overflag from Gundam 00. YF-30 from Macross 30 vs the Gaia Gear Alpha from Gundam Gaia Gear.
There is no diference between the robotech and macross version.They are the same fighter.so your hatred is pointless.I am talking about the vindicator here.
If someone finally calls for something Macross, then i want SDF VS: SSD!!! Super Dimensional Fortress versus Super Star Destroyer! Macross versus Executor!
thunberbolt two it's not hatred it's just SDF Macross actually has tec specs on the vehicles and mechs of the series. Look them up at Macross Mecha manual.
Star Destroyer it have a low trooper capacity and low turbo lacer but it have very much fighter’s so yes it is carrier a although kuat said that it is a ship for combat
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EckhartsLadder which faction has the best frigate?
The CIS has the best carrier
You sound a bit sick Eckhart, hopefully feel better soon
The republic Informative I would say the CIS because they're munificence fit in with their Navy structure
EckhartsLadder Do a vs featuring the Recusant Class Light Destroyer vs Something.
You can't really compare any of these to the lucrehulk. It could carry 1000s of fighters as well as entire armies, not to mention dozens of full sized starships as big as medical frigates or bigger.Their shields are very powerful too. You could see that at the battle of coruscant where huge ships are blowing up all around them while they barely took any scratches. These are some of the most formidable ships in all of star wars lore in my opinion
Death By Design Graphics before i make my joke, i agree, but i HAVE go make this reference....
Strongest carrier in star wars>>>>proceeds to be spinned because its a good trick
That's like saying the Gerald R Ford class carrier isn't a carrier because the russian and chinese carriers are smaller and less powerful.
Is there a point to what you just said, or are you being sarcastic? You did so in a very confusing and perplexing way.
All of these ships in the video were being judged by how good they were at being carriers. I interpreted it as you saying that the Lucrehulk isn't a carrier because of the amount of stuff it can carry. I was just trying to relate it to a real world factual example.
No I was just saying that it is a mega beast compared to the others. There literally is no comparison and it's kind of stupid to even try to compare them to it.
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Contigo yes just yes
It works well
What if they ordered one less, oops.
@@casbot71 Or how about 3 more? ;)
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why is this even a question?!?! obviously the giant flying donut is the best carrier!!!
Fyre Wolf exactly my thought, the other ones seem like ships with hangars while the lucrehulk is a hangar that also happens to be a ship
@@HK47Grizzlybeer lol a ship with a hangar is called a carrier lol
Kai Breker lol
Would You Like A Ship With Your Hanger Bays?
Flying donut lol 😂
I would've loved it if the Lucrehulk had appeared after the clone wars. Either used by the imperials as orbital space stations or used by the Rebels as a flagship. How badass would it have been if a small wing of Star Destroyers are targeting some poor little CR 90 when all of a sudden this massive, suped up Lucrehulk from a bygone era just hyperdrives in almost on top of them. Streams of Rebel fighters pour from it's hangers as the turbolaser batteries start shredding the closest Star Destroyer. The others panic attempting to leave the system but the Rebel starfighters destroy their engines with impunity as TIE fighters attempting to leave their hanger bays are shredded by fighters and the concentrated fire from 100's of point defense lasers. Soon, all that is left are bits and pieces of the Imperial ships which are quickly picked thru by Rebel salvage teams while larger cargo, parts, and repairable starfighters are ushered into the massive cargo bays of the Lucrehulk. Now devoid of the droids that once threatened whole planets and was the stage upon which the clone wars began, the battleship serves on as the home of a Rebellion that will attempt to undo the damage done by plans set in motion a hundred years earlier. It slowly turns away from the battlefield, seeming as unfazed by this brief respite as by it's long interwar slumber. The last ships board the Lucrehulk before it warps away to some new battle in a much, much larger war.
RaeSyngKane actually it did I think in Legends by the rebels in an attempt to destroy the Death Star. It got OHKOed by the D.Star
Yep, before "Movie" attack on the Death Star, Rebels tried to destroy it once, with pretty decent force of xwings launched from a Lucrehulk. TL;DR Poor tactics, they all died. Eckharts made a video on it! :D
Maybe this will happen, after the Han Solo-tragedy is forgotten, and something new will be realized that is set after the Clone Wars. I have always liked the idea that a TV show which is set in the timespan between Episode III and IV would be realized. I'm pretty sure that we had encountered several Warlords, remnants of the CIS, with equipment from the Clone Wars.
Can any wing of presumably ISDs be small, if just single one of them is considered as full line in Navy's order of battle?
They would've rather detect huge object coming in hyperspace, launch fighters and then casually murder the shit out of the Lucrehulk. Why? Because they're at this time superior in ship-to-ship combat, and he's outdated "battleship" transformed from trade vessel. Rebels won't risk losing it, and won't add heavy guns to ship that absolutely shouldn't carry them.
I would like to see rebel Lucrehulks, yes, but as mobile command centers and starfighter carriers, capable od quickly delivering whole squadrons to different parts of Galaxy. Pretty much like the real-world naval carriers. That would be dope, actually.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
The lucrehulk was the obvious answer. No question.
/P J\ its the only real carrier on this list the venattor was used wrong and the empire star destroyer was to well armed and didn't have enough fighters and the rebels don't really need a specialized carrier
/P J\ not fair. Droids don’t need beds or cantinas! This ship is useless for organic pilots!
Dexter Nexus that ship was large enough to accomodate everything... You may as well replace the droid control module and the massive droid comm array (Which takes a big chunk of the ship) to replace them with life support modules and beds.
Eh, not from a strategic standpoint. Sure, a single Lucrehulk is powerful, but its hyperdrive is slow and it can only be in one point at once while costing a lot (also in maintenance). That means that a small fleet of Venators, costing about the same amount of resources, could be deployed to different points in a sector, quickly react to threats or opportunities, then band together to fight larger battles, while the Lucrehulk only does large battles well. It's just not versatile.
Adarsh lal That's what I mean. One planet. One location at once. That's what I mean with "strategic". A good strategist faces the enemy where he's weak, not face-on. A fleet of Venators could deploy fighters at ten places at once, destroy supply lines and depots, and entirely avoid the Lucrehulk until it runs out of fuel... Just as one example. Being fast and numerous opens up a lot of strategies that a single big ship doesn't have. The Lucrehulk is great ... For a small set of purposes. Huge battles are rare.
You forget to mention that the Venator has four Heavy Proton Torpedo tubes. Which can fire 16 war heads each.
It wouldn't have changed the outcome
The anti-capital ship weaponry has no effect on its value as a carrier, he only brought up the weapons to show that the Republic miss used the ship
A nasty variation of the Venator as a battleship, would be to drop the carrier capacity and use the hanger space to store heavy missiles. Add extra launchers at the front so it can fire massive salvos and it could just rain continuous death upon enemy ships that could overwhelm defenses. The extra missiles wouldn't require extra reactor power like extra guns would, just feeding mechanisms to load missiles into tubes.
The hanger doors could either be removed, or left there to confuse the enemy as to which version the ship was until it fired, especially if it was a simple modification of an existing Venator carrier and not a new purpose built frame from the ground up.
Also using the Venator frame aids logistics and speeds development.
Ther only issue is how expensive and difficult is it to make proton missiles?
While now useless as a carrier, in a battlegroup it is a lethal ship killer, and with different missiles or torpedoes fitted in torpedo launchers, a good fighter killer as well.
awesome, but I still love the lucrehulk. ITS A FLYING DOUGHNUT!!! NOTHING CAN BEAT THAT!!!!!!!!
@@casbot71 Unfortunately proton warheads are pretty pricey. I think it would still be worth fitting something like 1/5 the fleet like you said.
The official stats of the secutor are weird. Fractalsponge actually imagined a 700-800 fighter complement when he modeled the ship.
The new roleplaying game books seemed to want to toned down a lot of Fractalsponge's stuff, like with the Assertor-class.
Chris sonofPear
Yeah, but if a Venator is canonically capable of holding 400 craft on its own, it would make sense for a ten-time more massive ship to at least hold that many, particularly if it’s supposed to be an evolution of said Venator.
Chris sonofPear
Btw, it’s even weirder that they made stuff up concerning the assertor armament, since just the number of visible guns on the hull utterly dwarf the official stats they came up with...
@@nihluxler8823 welp, the venator sacrificed most of its firepower and probably reactors to have such a great number of fighters, thats why it is kinda under armed, but the Secutor did not do that as much as the Venator, also, it was an imperial design so they probably thought "yo having a carrier is great and all but... what if we just put more guns in it instead of fighters!"
The Secutor is useless. Not enough turbolasers to destroy a SD-sized vessel, not enough fighters to be called a carrier, not enough PD to fight off any sizable fighter force, and not fast enough to even flee. The Luckrehulk was the obvious choice, with it's background of being a bulk transport class.
It's been a while since you did a versus video. How about something from Homeworld? A Hiigaran destroyer vs the Galactica, maybe?
MrAzkhare
The fractalsponge version of the secutor has a 720 fighter complement and 43 heavy turbolasers (24 octuple, 6 twin, 13 quad) as well as three heavy ion cannon turrets, which make it roughly equivalent in term of firepower to 3-4 ISDs. The ship’s official stats just make no sense.
Nihl Uxler yep the Secutar should actually be a real beast......but they made it cannon they removed its balls, still a great looking ships though
@@nihluxler8823 the fractalsponge variant should be the cannon stats all things considered. Especially sine its bascially a super Venator
The cutaway picture of the Lucrehulk gives it a size, in comparison to the landing ships, of about 4480m from bow to stern.
Well, that makes it even more capable :)
I would always go with this ship (full military version off course)
With retractable turbo lasers so the local government won’t suspect your a threat until your to close to defend against
@@spaceengineeringempire4086 Dude, 6 years after commenting :) Love the internet and as I am working on PC right now - here my answer: Well, I would prefer to add even MORE turbolasers on it, I would customize this beautiful ship heavily. I see myself as pirate captain with this vessel, no doubt. Have a good day, Sir :)
Hell yeah! Another CIS Victory.
All hail the confederacy!
Roger, roger!
I refuse Neal to robot overlords viva la revolution
Ah victory
ALL HAIL THE CONFEDERACY OF INDEPENDENT SYSTEMS
To add the lucrehulk also has a pretty sexy design fitting the CIS aesthetic well.
FOR THE CIS
I really agree with the Lucrehulk. It's a great design because it also has a far greater range of degrees of attack due to the round shape. The hangars are large, easier egress for fighters to enter and leave, and safer as they are shielded by sections of the ship without major blockage from the hull. The command module is also a bit better shielded by being in a central location of the ship, but with the open area kinda evens out it's exposure. Also, the command module being able to detach from the main hull would give it a little more flexibility as it can shed the damaged outer hull and be fitted to a new, undamaged hull for a greater turnaround rate to re-engage into battles. During that time the damaged hull can either be repaired or scrapped to refit repairable hulls. For a Star Wars capital ship, it's impressively well designed from a creative standpoint and undoubtedly one of the most unique ships in the Star Wars universe.
How about a Lucrehulk vs. Imperial I Star destroyer video?
I'd give it to the Lucrehulk. It's twice the size, it has a lot more fighters, and it's a lot more durable. The only real advantage of the ISD is the fact that it's a dedicated warship, that has better forward firing angles thanks to the dagger shape.
Not more durable tho
Georg Bergsten
It is. By a lot.
It's way more than twice the size, it's twice as long, but you're forgetting to take the width and height into consideration.
Corey Micallef
There's a lot of negative space too though, so I said twice for simplicity.
Way bigger than an ISD regardless.
I'm gonna say probably Venator or Lucrehulk
Alright nice. I hadn't actually heard of the Empire's carrier, I assumed you were going to use the Quasar-class, which I probably would have put in last place anyways. Kind of surprising that the Rebels, with their reliance on starfighter superiority, wouldn't have a better carrier. Although it does kind of make sense, they wouldn't want to have all their starfighters situated in one ship, which could be destroyed. Instead, they spread them throughout the fleet, with whichever ships had hanger bays. One could even argue that since most of their starfighters had hyperdrives, a full-on carrier would be largely unnecessary.
Me too
The venator definitely fit that role while a lurcehulk is like a space station and not only that it carry a bunch of stuff beside starfigther while if you look at real life carrier only carry fighter, bomber, and torpedo plane now they carry transport and helicopters but if you want to carry stuff that transport stuff you use a amphibious transport dock or an amphibious assault ship that look like a carrier but only carry helicopters and two hovercraft or landing boat and none of these ship have good defense
The lucrehulk looks awesome
A mobile space station
Long live the Confederacy of Independent Systems
Roger Roger!
Too bad it was a short lived faction
Roger roger
I’ve been looking forward to this
Mhmm I like imperial dreadnoughts specifically the bellator so ima pass
Just consider the size. The lucrehulk wins just with that in mind, and can also beat all of the other ships with consistency.
Now then imagine this.....Imperial lucrehulks escorting the Death star
Boom, death star secured from rebel fighters
Lucrehulk by far, no contest. Its fighter capacity, size and durability outclass almost any other carrier, with its only weakness being its slow speed.
Well to compensate tk that add a fleet of frigates and corvettes.
Plus the main ship “lucerhulk” is also a cargo ship so there’s your supply ship as well.
*1.* T-70 X-Wing VS E-Wing
*2.* Aclemator Class Assult Ship VS Nebulon B Frigate
*3.* Tie Defender VS Tie Silencer
*4.* MC85 VS MC90
Lieutenant Nomad I want to see some X-Wing vs E-Wing action
I'm sure the Lucrehulk is the best
One little nitpick with the Venator - The turbolasers on it appear, at least to me, to be SIGNIFICANTLY larger and more powerful than the typical turbolaser. I don't know whether or not this is canon, but you should look into it.
The Turbolasers on the Venator are Twin Barreled DBY-827 Turbolasers Cannons
They are pretty damn stronk. Not op or anything but they can get the job done.
I know this is four years late
@@itsyvonblitz6819 especially if it’s part of a fleet of venators
Which Star Wars Faction had the best Frigates?
Pigeonbee cis munificent class frigate it has a decent amount of turbo laser and point defense lasers plus....TWO BIG ASS ION CANNONS
Brent Schneck Munificent class frigate has a misleading name, it's pretty much a cruiser or heavy cruiser with its size and armament.
I'm going to assume you mean the "BIG ASS ION CANNONS" were those main guns on the front, they were actually TWO BIG HEAVY ASS TURBOLASER CANNONS. Also, the Munificent has weaponry called "Flak cannons" which just sounds deadly.
Isn't everything against spaceships somehow a flak?
Not really, most of the weaponry in star wars is energy based (made of highly concentrated plasma). Flak cannons fire actual projectiles at a certain distance which then detonate and send shrapnel in all directions. They can cause massive damage to un shielded structures and ships.
Lucrehulk all the way baby
Great video. Lots of love
Visually the rebel carrier looks cool in my opinion. But, I will have to agree with you on the CIS carrier it’s one of my favorite ships. It looks intimidating, lots of power and durability.
agreed, its definitely a very powerful, very flexible ship. the ability to carry BOTH a buttload of fighters and ground troops/armor/supplies make is so great. I think theres some flavor text highlighted in another one of these videos saying that a single lucrehulk (if thats how its spelled) can lock down an entire planet.
Lucrehulk is best
Yasssss
Flying donut for win
The Venator could've made for a terrifying warship if you replaced all the fighter space with missile bays. Imagine that dorsal hangar opening up, with thousands of anti-ship missiles being primed and ready to fire.
Honestly the venator was amazing. Really fast, great hyperdrive, huge carrying space, and it could hold its own in ship to ship and point defense
That's just a Victory SD
@@jakegrant5698 Yeah but in this case the missiles come out vertically instead of horizontally.
Lucrehulk Is my favorite ship :3 Just it's desing, how many weapons it have, how many Fighters it can carriy, it's almost invincible super fortress :3
Bohemian Mapping HD that anakin rammed with a almost destroyed venator Ps did Lucrehulk did not survive because it was to slow to get out of the way
Stop ruining my life D:
Just imagine how cool it would have been to see the Venator Model of ships being revived by the New Republic. I mean they fit perfectly with the Rebel Alliance combat doctrine of carrier focus.
If you were to turn the Lucrehulk into a dedicated fighter carrier, and remove the ground vehicles and C-9979 landing craft, you could carry a truly insane amount of fighters
VENATOR4life. Greay carrying capacity. Good armament and sexy as hell design wise
Marin Eduard I prefer donuts.
Marin Eduard Ehhhh I don't fully agree with the armament
Stakuga The Undying another comment from me. Copied for you:
I don't think the Veantor is lightly armed. Here are some reasons(or just two)
1. When you look at those Turbolasers. They are very big if you compare them with the rest of the ship
2. In Episode 5 a Imperial Star destroyer hits the Falcon and deals damage
In the battle where R2 got lost a Venator one-shot a munificent class frigate that had put all powers to the front deflector shields(and I'm talkin about a clone wars episode. Not about coruscant)
So i think they don't many. But the ones they have are impressive
Brot kann schimmeln Its turbo lasers are strong but not enough to save it from a ISD of course well a Venator can win if they use there fighters Well
Stakuga The Undying not enough to save it alone. But everyone said the ISD has like 8 times more turbolasers. But in strenght the 8 from the venator are not the same as 8 XX-9.
I gotta say, I love the detailed and focused analysis and comparison of tech and roles. Your perseverance has inspired me to start my own channel :) Thanks EckhartsLadder! May the Force be with you
I really don't understand why people love the mon cal ships so much
Because ITS A TRAP
They're different. Organic looking without being too icky. Could be smoother though.
Because they are good ships? The design allows them to be different and so if the Empire had the layout of one, they may not know another. The Shielding is the best, The Hull is fairly strong. They could match and defeat Imperial star destroyers. basically they are just good.
I've always and will always love your intro music, never ever change it
Resurgent class Star Destroyer vs MC85 Star Cruiser
That's not even a close or fair match. A resurgent would annihilate the MC85. The MC85 is pitifully armed with 18 heavy turbolasers 18 heavy ion cannons, and 6 concussion missle launchers compared to the 1500+ turbolasers and ion cannons for the Resurgent. The superiority of X-Wings and A-Wings has little effect because of the PD system, the advances in the TIE line, and also because they aren't bombers, so won't actually do much. The Resistance's only bombers were carried by the Ninca, and they would've been shot down easily. The biggest advance is the shielding, which can cover its starfighters when leaving the hangar, but that also means starfighters can go under it, like we see in TLJ, making it even weaking to the 144 TIEs carried by the Resurgent
Jedi Archives To be fair the 1500+ weapons includes the Point defense cannons too (which would be most of that number), not just anti-capital ship level Turbolasers and Ion cannons. It out guns it, very true yes, but not to the degree that the numbers would seem to indicate on first pass. Still curious to see what Ecks would think of this match-up.
Jedi Archives 1500 turbo lasers is so much. I don't believe the numbers lol
It's 1500 combined of all 3, but the point stands
If the original version of the MC85 had 60 plus turbolasers and 60 plus heavy ion cannon, it might last a bit better.
I think you underestimate the venator’s firepower, you see it broadside the invisible hand in ROTS and it does heavy damage, in the clone wars tv show it destroys munnificents with no problem and they were armed for frontline combat, it clearly is a more capable battleship than you give it credit for. (Love your faction compared vids btw keep doing them there great).
Sam dale tbh the Invisible hands shields were depleted over an entire days worth of fighting, and in the show you can figure out that the damage for ship lasers is relatively inconsistent and more to move the plot along. For instance in the Sky battle of quell, 4 Munificents defeated 3 Venators, but in the Battle between Anakins and Cad Banes fleet, 1 Venator absolutely obliterates 4 Munificents without so much as a scratch on itself.
Also I think the turbolaser are of a higher quality than other capital ships because it has less and was able to do what you already said.
Those 52 'lasers' seem closer to light turbolasers to me.
You actually see these laser cannons in the episode Death Trap, where they have the cadets use them to shoot at training targets.
Well, even if underestimated it cannot compete to a lucrehulk. I mean, it's a fucking floating round fortress.
I would take venator, but it would be modified to take on a better front line ship as well as a carrier.
You really can't modify it to be better at both roles at the same time. Because it is supposed to be as good as it can be in both roles. The only thing I can think of to make it better at either task without impacting other other would be to re-arrange the turrets so that they make sense (which would increase forward/rear facing firepower). You could make an improved battleship version very easily though.
Also getting some underside weapons and adding some SPH-A’s in the secondary hanger
The Venator and Secutor are products of their time. The Venator is armed to repel swarms of fighters while having just enough turbolasers to deal with the standard CIS ships. While the Secutor was made early on in Imperial history, drawing experience from the the clone wars, this can be best seen in the bridge towers it has.
I prefer the Venator to the Lucrehulk, but I have to agree that it is the best carrier...
One thing to keep in mind when deciding carriers is to see how fast the ships can launch their fighters. The home One had only 2 launch bays while the Secutor looked like it had 8 launch bays.
I don't think the Veantor is lightly armed. Here are some reasons(or just two)
1. When you look at those Turbolasers. They are very big if you compare them with the rest of the ship
2. In Episode 5 a Imperial Star destroyer hits the Falcon and deals damage
In the battle where R2 got lost a Venator one-shot a munificent class frigate that had put all powers to the front deflector shields(and I'm talkin about a clone wars episode. Not about coruscant)
So i think they don't many. But the ones they have are impressive
It's comparable to the Victory-class, easily.
And the 52 'lasers' seem close to the 60 XX-9 turbolasers in scale of turret.
Chris sonofPear really? In a book that i have they look 10-30 Meters. But one XX-9 is like 50 meters huge(but you can't see them on a ISD easily. Very strange)
Remember The Venators design, The Spear-head shape is meant to be able to totally destroy enemies while facing directly too them
That superlaser from the Venator's hangar is a Clone Artillery in the ventral hangar. Those were put there by Anakin, and not standard at all.
I think that the Empire should have kept some of the Venators. They are great carriers/anti Starfighter ships (lots of point-defence lasers), and Imperial-class star destroyers are great against capital ships. Together, they would have been very effective.
The Empire is a bit stupid.
Play Awakening of the Rebellion mod (Empire at War) and you get to use some Venators when playing as either Imperial or Rebel.
Which Star Wars Faction has the best Trooper-Armour?
i actually think its the mandolorians.
Empire would when talking in general. But, the Republic also have good armor too
Mandalorians, then Empire, then Rebels
Kane123a If you're going off the 4 main then the Republic's Phase 2 armor. Otherwise probably Mandos.
The CIS.
I feel like maybe including cost into the equation would be useful! It’s easy to say the Lucrehulk class is the best; however, you can build/purchase far more Venator class with the same amount of resources. Love the video! All of your content is incredible!
even including cost efficiency, the Lucrehulk is very cheap for its size due to its civilian origins and being built by the trade federation. They're able to field them in large numbers.
Replicators versus the unified Star Wars universe (131st try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
I´m begging you, give up before its too late! o.o
coming up on infra-red affirmative
+Kane123a Why?
If you actually unifiy the complete Star Wars Universe, there will be no more Space Battles in Star Wars anymore! o.o
coming up on infra-red ion cannons would be the only defense as turbolasers are easy for the replicators to adapt to
I love the secutor, it is an awesome fusion of the impstar and the venator.
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The Quasar Fire Class was an imperial ship.
if I was in charge of the Venator design, I would have made a few changes, first off, I would make the haul thicker and bulkier to make it harder to blow up, add a few turbo lasers on the top and bottom and have a shield added to the ventral hander bay opening to make that protected while still being able to deploy starfighter's, and all landing pad's with a higher starship and troop carry capacity
Separatist Dreadnoght vs mc80 25thtry
Watch out for those supers Yo keep it up
I think this is the first time I’ve seen the CIS pick in first place.
When you are done with this series, you could maybe make a video in which you build your dream fleet out of all the starfighters and ships
Good video! I always like your videos, nice and relaxing to listen to at work. A suggestion for a future topic could be which faction best compliments another faction if they teamed up. So faction A strengths would compliment faction B weakness in this field.
I have a legitimate question. Could you mount a hypervelocity cannon in r a variation of one to a ship? I don't know all that much about them and I'm curious. Also, how effective would it be?
Old comment, but, to my understanding they struggle against shields. But rip though unshielded vessels like butter.
9:44
"It's extremely hard to destroy"
10 yo Anakin: Is it though?
If the Secutor's official stats were in line with those of its predecessor, it could easily carry around a thousand starfighters.
I’d love to see the Lucrehulk make its way back into cannon, perhaps as a ship the Mandalorians use to help retake Mandalore, or as a planetary defense ship, or as a base of operations for some very wealthy underworld character.
One major problem not mentioned is the Lukrehulk only has two launch doors in a very confined space. As a generic navy looking for a carrier I would be very hesitant if choosing the Lukrehulk. The droid starfights that can stand on the hull are the only way the carrier can “rapidly” deploy it’s fighters.
I think it had more hangers around the inside circle.
It did. But those were usually used for shuttles and personal craft
RoVidz Animations as a concept though with a few more hanger entrances it would be set
The extra hangers were shown in the clone wars TV show
Not that it matter when droids doesnt care about G.
Great video!😀
I have a suggestion:
Squad battle:
1 Clone squadron (6)
VS
1 Jem'hadar squadron (6)
Republic Fleet at Cristophsis (The One with Trench) Vs Empires fleet at Scarif (including Shield gate)
The Republic Fleet? You mean those 3 Venators and the camouflage ship? Busted in minutes...
And the CIS Fleet, not hard to tell. The Providence dreadnought will be able to keep against 1 ISD. Also they had like 20 Munificent against the other 2 ISD. Also they had several Lucrehulks. That means Starfighter superiority. Not much the empire could do.
What would the shield gate do? It's static and not well armed...
Fighters idk
The Republic had more than just 3 Venators, I think there were 3 Peltas (Or whatever they were called) for fighter defenses, Also the 1200 Fighters that that could already beat the Tie-Fighter 1 on 1
Kane123a if you look at starfighters it is 1200 vs 250. Also the cloak ship can fly behind the ISD and attack the shield generstors (or the bridge) from behind
yay i get to watch a video in its first hour of being uploaded, usually im late but not this time!
on topic i like the venator just cause of the appearance. its kinda wedgey but not as "boring" as a star destroyer and i too like how it can open up the top doors and literally just dump its fighters right into space
Which faction has the better frigate
I'd personally prefer the Venator over the Lucrahulk, but I believe it comes down to doctrine and situation.
One Lucrahulk equals to more than just one Venator, both in terms of cost tonage. Having more ships consequently allows for more tactical options, especially so when taking into account that the Venator is pretty versatile. After deploying its fighters it could act as a light cruiser, helping the primary ones. It's firepower is not to be underestimated and its durability is well-known.
So given the choice, I would prefer a more adaptable and maneuverable fleet. I see the Lucrahulk as somewhat of a centre-piece in a fleet, with everything else being build around it. In my opinion this role is better suited for a dreadnaught or generally something focused on firepower.
Anyways great video! Can't wait for the next Empire at War episode!
You should do which fraction had the best friget
Frigate*
I was browsing UA-cam, wondering what to watch. Then I got the notification for this video and immediately clicked on it
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Tie Hunter vs X-wing
Tie Hunter was made to fight the X Wing, so its not an very even fight.
It would still be pretty good.
Kane123a let's not forget the default Tie design doesn't help it.
Yes, but thats pretty much its only weakness in this one. The Hunter is faster, more manuverable, has stronger weapons and at least equal shields. Also it has the higher advanced technology in terms of aiming computers.
Kane123a you can say the same thing for the Tie Defender and it can still get shot down.
I'm such a sucker for the venator, might be my favorite ship design in all of star wars
Prediction: Lucrehulk for sure. It's absurd hanger space just takes the cake. Even if you account for its larger size it still clearly surpasses all rivals in that criteria. Not to mention its excellent durability and high level of firepower (on the refit). Considering it's a converted cargo transport, the Lucrehulk sure makes a great Capital Ship.
The Venator does have a lot of hanger space for a ship of its size, but it's a fraction of what the Lucrehulk possesses (and while I am aware of the official starfighter figures for it, frankly they seem impossible, so I don't believe them). And really, I just find the Venator generally underwhelming. Looking at it, it's clear that it's been designed more for anti-fighter duties than normal capital ship functions.
I'm not sure how I'd place the Empire or Rebels because I don't know what's been picked for them. I'd have expected the Quasar class but I don't think that's the silhouette I see. And the Rebels seems like the Home One, which is a great ship, but its status as a carrier is debatable.
I love the lukerhull! Thank you for putting it on top if it were possible I would make a hero that uses a more heavy shielded and armed version.
I mean...could anything compete with the Lucrehulk as a carrier?
1:39 this looks like the venator class star destroyer that the republic used in the clone wars but just bigger , wider , and cool looking 👍
Yaasssss I love the CIS!
I really like the Lucrehulk too, as it had so much empty space that it could spam and overwhelm enemies with droid bombers and fighters. It also looks really cool.
High Templar(Starcraft) vs Jedi/Sith
Raynor's Raiders(Starcraft) vs Resistance
Terran Dominion(Starcraft) vs Galactic Republic/New Republic
Protoss(Starcraft) vs Covenant
Zerg (Starcraft) vs Empire
Protoss(Starcraft) vs CIS
United Koprulu Sector(Starcraft) vs United Star Wars Galaxy
70th try. I WILL NEVER GIVE UP!
Keep trying man, we all want to see it happen!
Well there is someone that wants SC stuff be explained against SW Stuff.. I like you.
Ayy thx for the support my dudes
Kind of a stomp for United Koprulu if you include The Overmind(Free Overmind that isnt obsessed with uniting the purity of essence and the purity of form), The Damn thing is basically a flehsy A.I that gone rogue(and if it wasnt for the quick rush in trying to accomplish its mission it would've conquered the Koprulu sector without difficulty)
More like a fleshy AI that had been compromised.
Imperial Navy: Weaponizing big moving targets to make up for our Emperor’s scarred body
CIS FOR THE WIN!!!
Secutor is a battlecarrier, which is cool but now what we're looking for in this vid.
Love the Lucrehulk, btw.
carriers, the most powerful striking force in a fleet.
No way!!!!! Battleships rule!!!!
I think the republic had a battleship or bigger sized ship but only a dozen were made and stationed mostly around the major trade routes into the Core Worlds. These things were huge and packed a massive amount of fire power which is probably why the CIS needed that hidden hyperspace route to get to Coruscant.
Which Sci-fi faction had the best training?
mohammad khan yes pls boi do something like that
joshua sedano The Republic? Don't make me laugh that will be the Imperium sir
beast ICY They train a lot, but clones are still better, they are trained from birth, and bread from the best DNA, and also will fight to the death.
Michael Scalese Clones are still better then what? Definitely not Space Marines who can solo the hell out of the Clones in a heartbeat
beast ICY OH SHIT. You said imperium i don't know them. I thought you said imperials.
The CIS definitely has the best combined arms Navy setup. It makes you wonder they didn't try to force more space battles. Or even lower droid production in favor of building more capital ships.
Gladiator Class Star Destroyer vs Nebulon B Frigate!
Vs TWO Nebulon-Bs?
Looking at the official specs of the Gladiator, it was actually incredibly under-armed for a ship of its class. Pretty astonishing really. But whichever would make a better fight, right?
I think those 6 heavy turbolaser turrets would do a lot of damage though.
If we are looking at the same thing, it only has 5 Light turberlaser Batteries. It would have to focus on doing a lot of damage with its concussion missile tubes. Which.. ok, wow. apparently it has 300 of them.
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You should make a video dedicated to the organisation of the cis fleet and generally videos on that topic i think that it would be really interesting !(btw your factions compared videos are awsome keep up the good work )
Galactic versus idea. Protoss from Starcraft against the flood from halo, I think the Protoss might be one of the few things that could beat the flood and actually exterminate them
Bad Cat would love to see this haha
Really hoping the “flood beat forerunner therefore they beat x race” argument doesn’t pop up
Generic Human that is the argument that is always brought up. it makes the flood pretty much a waste of time to suggest in a fight against most factions because it is incredibly overpowered.
Flood is extremely overpowered
Protoss can't defeat Flood you know that
The Protoss had a hard time with the Zerg, why would they fare any better against the Flood?
The reason I prompt this is because I think the Protoss are the best suited for fighting them, their weapons all burn targets, (pretty much) they fight infestation type enemies a lot, they have very very powerful incinerateing from orbit weapons, they can spread info pretty quick so the flood aren’t gonna take a place quick enough to stop a message from getting out, as relation to the Zerg remember what swann said “ if the Protoss wanted to rule the galaxy they could” now we have purifiers, interesting no doubt, as they would likely burn through the flood. The biggest thing however is they are the pure of form, not even a Abathur could find a way to infest them, so they might be like Chief or any other spartan and be resistant, meaning it takes a good deal of time to take over, and a lack of mouths means airborn won’t work. Finally we have Artanis, who would rally the other factions to join them against the parasite. I could think of 3 possible scenarios, one where flood invade Protoss only, one where Protoss attack a large flood controlled system, and have to kill the gravemind. And one where the flood invaded the entire Starcraft galaxy. I think they would be one of the few races to stand a chance, as the galaxy is smaller and flood can’t grow big without alerting everyone. They are perfect for fighting them, and they use a lot of independent mechs, meaning no mendicant bias situation. Also just saying, swarm hosts, cannons, siege tanks, colossus, pertition turrets, carriers, all I can say is goooooooood luck getting past those
I think you should do best repulsor lift vehicle next with the C.i.s and there AAT, empire the 2m repulsor tank, the rebels the T-2b tank and republic the saber tank
Like series but PLZ bring back versus 😭
You could up the fighter capacity of the lucrehulk to ludicrous degrees temporarily if you cover the outer hull in vulture droids. Of course, they'd be burning fuel but you may be able to double the number of fighters. Better yet, the first wave is already in position to deploy while the ones stored internally are still warming up.
I say the Ventor is *THE BEST CARRIER* it was design to fit and be in the carrier role!
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Great videos !
Any RaW player vote lucrehulk
Playing as the Republic, bloody scary whenever one of those things came out of hyperspace.
I actually prefer the Venator since in RaW it only takes 3 build cap,has that beam weapon we see in Episode 3,can go face to face with most ships in RaW ,not only does it carry a a decent number of fighters but compared the to the CIS they are of higher quality plus it's so much easier bringing Venators in from hyperspace to be as close as possible for a tight formation due to their rectangular/sword like shape.
I will agree that the Lucrehulk spam can be quite overwhelming in RaW but I don't speak from experience since I haven't really ran into the AI spamming in my worlds for some reason.
Major Kitty i have and is bad when you are on tech 4 and they attack you with trench some providences and 5 or 6 lucrehulks
Couple of funny things about real world carriers: They tend to be very durable (disabling the flight deck is easier then sinking it) and they started as scout cruisers and became capital ships after fighter range and reliability improved. The military shorthand for carrier (CV) stands for Cruiser aViation (CA stands for Cruiser Armored)
the cis and rebels probs had the best
Mic Clank the rebels and republic imo
Mic Clank God i se you early in every video!
republic is trash
I hope he does a video on most effective carrier.
boi the Lucrehulk was very effective
A new idea for galactic versus:
STAR WARS 2M Saber tank
vs.
HALO Skorpion tank(whatever type you want)
vs.
COMMAND AND CONQUER GDI Mammoth MK III
I'd love to see which of theese tanks comes out on top.
The lucrehulk is the best choice as a carrier due to its carrying capacity, mass and good amount of weappns.
Please bring back starship versus I've got some suggestions
MC85 cruiser vs Secutor star destroyer
Mandator IV dreadnought vs assertor/executor super star destroyer
Dp20 frigate vs Brahatok gunship
Rebel alliance fleet at Scarif vs Plo Koons fleet against the Malevolence
Thrawns fleet at Attalon vs CIS Fleet at Kamino
Recusant light destroyer vs assault frigate mark II or Nebulon C frigate
15th attempt
Thunderbolt starfury from Babylon 5 vs the Sabre from Halo Reach.
VF-1S Valkyrie variable fighter from SDF Macross (not Robotech) vs Union Overflag from Gundam 00.
YF-30 from Macross 30 vs the Gaia Gear Alpha from Gundam Gaia Gear.
There is no diference between the robotech and macross version.They are the same fighter.so your hatred is pointless.I am talking about the vindicator here.
If someone finally calls for something Macross, then i want SDF VS: SSD!!!
Super Dimensional Fortress versus Super Star Destroyer! Macross versus Executor!
thunberbolt two it's not hatred it's just SDF Macross actually has tec specs on the vehicles and mechs of the series. Look them up at Macross Mecha manual.
more like VF-1S Valkyrie variable fighter from SDF Macross VS Starscream (Generation 1 Transformers)
Gigas0101 nah I would rather not have that.
The venator also has side hangers that can if needed carry ships
Hold up...did you list the Venator Class Star Destroyer as a carrier?
Star Destroyer it have a low trooper capacity and low turbo lacer but it have very much fighter’s so yes it is carrier a although kuat said that it is a ship for combat
The Republic’s doctrine is to spam fighters against the CIS
The Venator as a Cruiser-Carrier, which is close enough.
Star Destroyer it is a carrier. It carries fighters and bombers as well as gunships.
Star Destroyer the thing carried a crap load of air/ground ships
Eck, nice vid. Could you do the best ground invasion force ?
Revans empire vs the first order
Even with the First Order's incompetent generals, The sheer advancements in Technology and how good the Resurgent SDs were would secure them a victory
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