Pinion’s NEW E-Drive Powertrain Explained

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  • Опубліковано 14 жов 2024

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  • @BastienChanot
    @BastienChanot Рік тому +114

    This is truly incredible. If they deliver, they may just have killed detailleur, chain, drivetrain maintenance, automated shifting needs for most people while drastically improving rear suspensions dynamics by reducing unsprung mass. Can't wait for the long term reviews!

    • @EwanShawcroft
      @EwanShawcroft Рік тому

      I agree, this tech looks excellent. Reliability, repairability and cost are all key points I'm keen to find out.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +2

      So many benefits as you say! Less maintenance, auto shifting, better suspension performance... we're looking forward to letting you all know how it rides!

    • @smin4089
      @smin4089 Рік тому +1

      Except Neko Mullaly in Frameworks said that massive reduction in unsprung rear suspension mass didn't improve in timed runs.

    • @BastienChanot
      @BastienChanot Рік тому +4

      @@smin4089 feel is more important for 99% of us than the clock isn't it, that would be enough for me if i have the same times but a better feel

    • @trekkeruss
      @trekkeruss Рік тому +4

      It is what I have been waiting for, but no way is this going to kill the derailleur and chain. It is far too expensive for the average e-bike.

  • @ianharding3044
    @ianharding3044 Рік тому +45

    Finally an internal gearbox and motor setup with a belt drive. This is what I’ve been waiting for on e bike market.
    No more derailleur and chain to constantly maintain. I want to ride one .

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +4

      Could be the future, we're excited to give them a try!

    • @robbief1
      @robbief1 Рік тому

      I agree…

    • @tomquimby8669
      @tomquimby8669 Рік тому +1

      Tried it er not so fast with the hope and enthusiasm. Gear change between clusters 4/5 and 8/9 need work and those who have tried it also are keen to point out this is generation 1. After my ride I wondered whether I would buy a SACHS RS motored NOX 112Nm with chain or wait for this MGU to be improved. still undecided

  • @alexandregeiser2751
    @alexandregeiser2751 Рік тому +31

    Pinion is finally getting the attention/respect for their amazing engineering

  • @pawelodz8050
    @pawelodz8050 Рік тому +118

    This is the future of e-bikes

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +3

      Could well be, we'll wait and see!

    • @c3N3q
      @c3N3q Рік тому +1

      This is the future of bikes, once the batteries are the size of a cigarette lighter.

    • @trekkeruss
      @trekkeruss Рік тому +6

      This is the future of expensive e-bikes. Normal e-bikes will stay with derailleurs just as normal bicycles stay with other cheaper technologies.

    • @c3N3q
      @c3N3q Рік тому +2

      @@trekkeruss it's expensive now, it won't be in a while. Once people understand that you don't need to have a heavy rear wheel with a cassette and a derailleur gearbox is the way. And if you can have a motor with the gearbox then why would you ride a normal bike if the weight is almost the same and you can ride much faster and pedal up stuff you couldn't on a normal bike. Once the batteries are the size of a cigarette lighter.

    • @trekkeruss
      @trekkeruss Рік тому +2

      @@c3N3q What makes you think the price is going to come down? It is a high performance product made by ex-Porsche people. Have Porsche’s gotten cheaper?

  • @PeopleVoicesForObama
    @PeopleVoicesForObama Рік тому +16

    This is the exact belt drive system I am looking for. Gone are the days of dealing with grease and derailleur adjustment.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +2

      There's a lot of benefits for sure! No more mucky jeans from a greasy chain!

    • @scottq6922
      @scottq6922 Місяць тому

      Can’t get them yet in USA. I’ve been trying for a year

  • @Prince_Pig
    @Prince_Pig Рік тому +16

    Wow! Excited about the future of the e-bike now. This could be a big turning point.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +3

      Yep, we think this could make some serious ripples in the e-bike world!

  • @checker4096
    @checker4096 Рік тому +4

    Mainly because of my mother tongue, I look at most German UA-camrs. However, I would like to comment here that this content, the information and the compilation are just as premium as the new all-in-one gearbox from Pinion. 👏👍

  • @luukrutten1295
    @luukrutten1295 Рік тому +13

    This really looks like an impressive package. Maybe electric bikes will become a little too good and powerfull, but I really dig the technology and integration. Yet I would like to stick to analog bikes for now. I imagine the prices will be eye watering too.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +4

      The technology is certainly impressive and if Pinion can make their regular gearboxes shift under load, that could be a real step forward for non-ebikes as well.
      Almost any high-end bikes price is potentially eye-watering these days!

    • @matthornton1564
      @matthornton1564 Рік тому

      @@bikeradar Effigear will shift into a harder gear under full load but will not shift to an easier gear unless torque is completely removed from the system. This is because its pawls can operate independently. Only a matter of time before they put a motor on theirs. Pinion will have something in the software that will back drive engagement off when changing gear.

  • @logtothebase2
    @logtothebase2 Рік тому +14

    The Bike industry should come up with a standard bottom bracket design that will accommodate mechanicals like the Bosch e drive, Befang Pinion etc, but they won't.
    Yes this, or something like it is the future for many bikes given that derailleurs are heavily optimised for various flavours of race, something for smaller wheels and getting around, the only problem is the rate to which eBikes get stollen.

    • @kanethomas6998
      @kanethomas6998 Рік тому

      All it would take to sort that is an E tag or something similar

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +6

      Wouldn't it be nice for the industry to collaborate on a single standard... paging SRAM for a UGH (Universal Gearbox Hanger) interface!

    • @MrMartinSchou
      @MrMartinSchou Рік тому +3

      While they're at it, standardize batteries.

  • @zauwee
    @zauwee Рік тому +1

    I just recently bought a Specialized Turbo Vado 5.0 IGH. It’s awesome. I bought knowing it’s already obsolete technology. I was aware of the Pinion technology. This drivetrain blows the Vado’s outta the water. The Vado is, to me, the make-do bike between now and when the Pinion tech is widely available. My next urban/tour e-bike will have this type of technology. It’s def the future.

  • @brianthompson1045
    @brianthompson1045 Рік тому +8

    It doesn’t have to be absolutely perfect, just work well enough to get Bosch and others to have to get in the game. Then we will really be into the evolution of Ebiking.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +2

      Wouldn't be surprised to engineers from other brands getting a bit of a sweat on after seeing this...

    • @border304
      @border304 Рік тому

      It will totally happen. And years from now when the Chinese rip it off the rest of us 99%rs will be able to afford one.

    • @ErhardFrebold
      @ErhardFrebold Місяць тому

      @@border304 Yes but years from now with the inflation rate in China there may no longer be a cost advantage. We live in the absolute best time to buy Chinese gear, and no other country is tooled up to assume their place.

  • @LongLiveEnduro
    @LongLiveEnduro Рік тому +3

    I have waited for years for this. Thank you Pinion!

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +3

      Sounds like a lot of people have! Pinion could be on to something here!

  • @3DReproductions
    @3DReproductions Рік тому +12

    Can't wait! Are those Shimano compatible mountings? If not then the bike industry would be a better place if they all could agree on, dare I say it, a standard.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +3

      It's not confirmed, but we doubt it's using the same mounting as Shimano, would love to be proved wrong though!
      Agreed though, like UDH is pretty much now ubiquitous on new MTB's a standard for e-bike motors/gearboxes and would be nice!

    • @3DReproductions
      @3DReproductions Рік тому

      @bikeradar I'm on my fourth E8000 now and had to buy it due to my bike being useless without it. I would have loved the option to try out a competitors motor instead.

  • @JBean_COCR
    @JBean_COCR Рік тому +1

    I've been riding a pinion 12 spd mtb bikepacking rig for over a year now. I agree with the gripshift being less than ideal, however it doesn't shift worse than a derailer under load, in fact I think better, gears 4-5 and 8-9 require a bit more let-off, but the ability to change gears without pedaling is great. It has been bulletproof and I prefer the belt. When I first got the bike I told my wife it would be great if they added an electric motor and presto, they did! Can't wait to check it out, the e-shifter with autoshift sounds great. It would be good if they could cut down the noise a bit in the first four gears though.

  • @kenh.3857
    @kenh.3857 Рік тому +3

    I already ride a Pinion 12 speed system on a Gates Belt drive bike. Love the bike, the system. but a few things kept is from being a truly MTB set up. I would be very curious to ride such a bike and would probably really enjoy it. I like my Pinion if the engineers put out another quality product, I am sure it will be really nice.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Great to hear you're liking your current Pinion gearbox and we too hope they can bring some of this tech to their normal gearboxes. IF they can get them to shift smoothly under load and ditch the twist shifter, that could be enough to convince a lot of people the drag penalty is worth it!

  • @orvilleclisby6748
    @orvilleclisby6748 Рік тому +1

    It changes gear at the top or bottom of your pedal stroke which is a huge game changer in transmission technology. The old sturmey archer you had to stop peddling for a brief moment which is fine going down hill but a pain when climbing.

  • @andersjefsenrasmussen3003
    @andersjefsenrasmussen3003 Рік тому +3

    My daily bike has a Pinion C1.12. and belt. I love it. But now I look forward to this e-bike without motor and gears in apart systems, but a motor and gear unit. :-)

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Certainly many fans of Pinion gearboxes already and they'll make many more with this we think!

  • @michaelsnook1130
    @michaelsnook1130 Рік тому +3

    I have a Priority 600 with the Pinion C1.12 gearbox and I'm really pleased with it. I wonder if I could upgrade to this new gearbox and motor.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      It would be nice if you could swap them, but Pinion haven't confirmed it. We're guessing it's probably a no

  • @marco2often
    @marco2often Рік тому +4

    I wonder what the resistance is like when you have drained the battery and still need to go another mile or so

    • @shophacks
      @shophacks Рік тому +1

      Probably not great but neither are most ebike drivetrains. The scenario you described almost never happens. When it does you just ride slower to get back without over exerting yourself.

  • @ADVtheMISSIONARY
    @ADVtheMISSIONARY Рік тому +3

    Awesome, I was expecting something like this from Pinion.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Given their background at Porsche, guess it was only a matter of time!

    • @777sib
      @777sib Рік тому

      The motor should be from Porsche 😆

  • @jonathanellis1842
    @jonathanellis1842 Рік тому +1

    Tern GSD plus Pinion MGU, now that has to be something to look forward to!

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      So much potential in this, we can't wait to ride it!

  • @svenweihusen57
    @svenweihusen57 Рік тому +1

    The main advantage and price saving comes when you really use your bike. A gearbox and gates belt are expensive but that’s it for the next 10.000km. Change some oil and that’s it. The belt may go on for another 5-10.000km and the gearbox is next to indestructible with some riders having well over 100.000km on it. Especially high end derailer components will start eating into your budget when heavily used while these drivetrains simply don’t care.
    So a heavty investment at the start will pay off later. That’s why these components are mainly used by people who really use their bikes despite the price.

  • @mrichards55
    @mrichards55 Рік тому +4

    As a a consumer, I want wireless electronic braking with anti-lock!!!

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      We'll let you test that one*
      *Disclaimer - we may not actually let you test it!

  • @grahamekellermeier8280
    @grahamekellermeier8280 Рік тому +5

    In my opinion it looks like a great idea.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      Tom said in a recent podcast and video that he thought this is where things for e-bikes could go... guess he was right!

  • @davemeise2192
    @davemeise2192 Місяць тому +1

    I liked the comment about Pinion eventually being adapted to commuter and cargo e-bikes. I ride a cargo e-bike and I would love to try out a pinion MGU setup on one. If the price is right it might convince me to get one.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Місяць тому +1

      Seems to have a lot of applications!

  • @richardlenz2655
    @richardlenz2655 Рік тому +2

    Looks promising. Only the efficiency is of course quite low. But because it runs normally from battery, this is only a small disadvantage. I would certainly like to buy it 🤭😋

  • @bikeradar
    @bikeradar  Рік тому +5

    Are gearboxes the future of cycling drivetrains? 👇

    • @PrzemyslawSliwinski
      @PrzemyslawSliwinski Рік тому +2

      They should - at least in e-bikes. However, if the next-gen motors will work like in hybrid Toyotas - gearboxes won't be necessary at all.

    • @pawelodz8050
      @pawelodz8050 Рік тому +1

      ​@@PrzemyslawSliwinski that's would be awesome

    • @thescerigai
      @thescerigai Рік тому

      for mtbs yes, not getting hit on rocks and removing weight from a bad spot and adding it to a good spot suspension wise, road bikes dont need gearboxes

    • @PrzemyslawSliwinski
      @PrzemyslawSliwinski Рік тому

      @@thescerigai What about those on the fence? The so called "gravel" bikes?

    • @thescerigai
      @thescerigai Рік тому +1

      @@PrzemyslawSliwinski if you ride terrain where your derailleur can get hit while riding then you need a gearbox

  • @mikefrazier3826
    @mikefrazier3826 Рік тому +2

    I'm currently riding a Rad Power Cycles Radrover 5 with a hub motor and derailleur. This would completely blow my setup away!

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Sounds like this would be a big step up for sure!

    • @border304
      @border304 Рік тому

      Torque sensor in the mid drive is way better. I like my Levo so this will need to be pretty amazing to get me to shift. Sure I missed a pun there somewhere.

  • @Gem-Ex
    @Gem-Ex Рік тому

    Good rundown. Perfect timing for me to wait for the first one to appear on the used market lol

  • @RallyNavigatorOnline
    @RallyNavigatorOnline Рік тому

    Are these available for sale in complete bikes? I cant find any bikes with this unit - where to buy?

  • @richardbyrum4618
    @richardbyrum4618 Рік тому +1

    Just what I've been waiting for!

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      You and a lot of other people by the looks of it!

  • @myusrngml
    @myusrngml Рік тому

    Is there a recommended web site where you can view all the available city / touring and mountain bike offerings that have this pinion mgu motor gearbox in place?

  • @finroddd
    @finroddd Рік тому +5

    I really hope this will be widely accepted and will send the derailleur, chain and the cassette in their well deserved retirement.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      Lots of people thinking the same judging from other comments!

  • @st1ffee
    @st1ffee Рік тому +2

    This has to be the future of e bikes it makes so much sense

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Certainly makes sense to us! We're excited to try it out and see if E-Drive lives up to the hype!

  • @TheLoathsomeCowboy
    @TheLoathsomeCowboy 7 місяців тому

    If you moved the freewheel pawl from the back wheel to the Pinion gearbox, you could, theoretically, have regenerative coasting similar to cars.

  • @peterbeyer5755
    @peterbeyer5755 Рік тому +1

    My budget is definitely derailleur human powered focused as such I even worked free at a bike shop in return for being trained by a certified Shimano dérailleur technician in how to maintain a bike and replace and maintain derailleurs on my bike, not a difficult skill to learn. Alternative power trains are still not as efficient as derailleurs. A little discussed subject is that efficiency can be greatly improved through weights loss of the rider.

  • @Mike-ql4sz
    @Mike-ql4sz 11 місяців тому

    Sorry, i didn't get who's the 2nd bike manufacturer after Simplon that introduced the MGU?

  • @rickardnelger805
    @rickardnelger805 Рік тому +1

    Using a three wheeler, looking enormously much forward to when this is fitted on any cargo bike!

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      We can't wait to see cargo bikes with this for sure!

  • @joschmoyo4532
    @joschmoyo4532 Рік тому

    This is why ive held back from buying an emtb. Waiting for this system.

  • @babyrabies
    @babyrabies Рік тому +1

    This is it, the beginning of a perfect system

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Could well be for e-bikes, maybe one step closer to gearboxes for non-assisted bikes too...

  • @MrChiefmole999
    @MrChiefmole999 Рік тому +1

    I'm thinking this setup would allow for regenerative breaking - although the benefit may be marginal. It would require the freewheel to be between the gear/motor and pedals. However this would have the negative that that the gears and motor would be permanently driven by the back wheel so overall there may not be enough benefit.......

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      Its possible, but as you say the benefit would be marginal. It may increase drag in the system, but in theory a system similar to the MGU-K in Formula might work for an e-bike, but not sure the extra weight, complexity or drag would be worth it. A dynamo system would perhaps be better

  • @spunkt123
    @spunkt123 Рік тому +4

    why is there a cable on the wireless shifter?? 🧐

    • @EwanShawcroft
      @EwanShawcroft Рік тому +2

      My guess is for power to save needing to charge an internal battery?

    • @spunkt123
      @spunkt123 Рік тому

      @@EwanShawcroft could we call it wireless then? 🫣😅

    • @EwanShawcroft
      @EwanShawcroft Рік тому +1

      @@spunkt123 Haha, probably not! I had the same thought as you when they showed it in action

    • @spunkt123
      @spunkt123 Рік тому

      @@EwanShawcroft 😅

    • @eaze7324
      @eaze7324 8 місяців тому

      He calls it wireless but means electric shifting, the cable is in fact for the power supply for the shifter

  • @alvarosesin5379
    @alvarosesin5379 10 місяців тому

    Thanks for your views.
    Look forward your test ride comments.
    The System looks incredible on paper.
    Please let us know what it is for real.
    Price ???
    Thank You.

  • @levimaxwell7745
    @levimaxwell7745 Рік тому +1

    Hurray 🎉🎉 I've been waiting for this I want it

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      We think a lot of people have judging by the comments elsewhere here!

  • @TheGhostman132
    @TheGhostman132 Рік тому

    I like that level of integration. However, the emotor manufacturer are notorious on after sale and parts availability. This, yet again would deepen the gap of repairability if new motor model will show up in two years and part support is next to none. At least you van service your own shimano igh or get your rohloff serviced after long period of time.

  • @gh4534
    @gh4534 Рік тому

    For the motorized version, are there buttons to increase the speed or is speed controlled by twisting the handle? Sorry not a bike person so terms may be wrong.

  • @karewenger1343
    @karewenger1343 Рік тому +2

    I hope the bottom bracket ballbearing seals are keeping water and salt out for winter cycling. Typical problem with Bosch motors.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Pinion claims the only maintenance needed is an oil change every 10,000km, so the bottom bracket should be good for the same!

    • @simonm1447
      @simonm1447 Рік тому

      They should have to be better, since it's an oil filled gearbox with metal gears and not just a Bosch with cheap plastic gears. It's more motorcycle technology than bike technology. Bosch is a car supplier and has no interst in products which would replace the cars they supply

  • @daytriker
    @daytriker Рік тому +1

    When manufacturers insist on releasing new products to bike manufacturers only, they are ignoring the millions of customers who would buy their systems as a retrofit. It also speaks volumes for their environmental & carbon footprint to only sell new when you have a perfectly good bike at home already. Not to worry though Bafang will come out with a competing product for retrofitting.

  • @nicholaspalmer5701
    @nicholaspalmer5701 Рік тому

    I want a version of this that can go in existing frames. Is there even a standard for the size and shape of these units?

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Afraid not, you wont be able to fit this to a bike unless it is designed around it, in which case, it has it anyway!

  • @BartViaene
    @BartViaene Рік тому +1

    Will it fit into a frame bay designed for the mechanical Pinion 18 gearbox ?

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      Pinion haven't confirmed, but unlikely as you'll need to accommodate the battery as well

    • @BartViaene
      @BartViaene Рік тому

      @@bikeradar I have a 900 Ah Bafang battery in a frame bag that would work quite well if I can just connect it to the Pinion motor gearbox and its computer, provided its power requirements are compatible. Or I could use a Pinion battery... do they have one ?

    • @simonm1447
      @simonm1447 Рік тому +1

      ​@@BartViaenetypically such systems are dongled and only accept batteries from the manufacturers they want. The same with Bosxh, Brose, Yamaha or Shimano mid drives

  • @wackedoutdude
    @wackedoutdude Рік тому

    This type of system should allow the use of a much thicker chain. Maybe even something from a small motorcycle. This could be agood move for ebikes. It might need development though.

  • @SuperBernmeister
    @SuperBernmeister Рік тому

    Can’t wait to get an mgu pinion drive bike. It’s the next bike we get.

  • @geemy9675
    @geemy9675 Рік тому +3

    wireless shifting that uses a wire ? 😀 I think we should talked about electronic shifting. I'd rather have a cable routed through the frame than a useless battery that needs to be charged. Wireless is the lazy solution that can be added as an afterthought instead of a proper design

  • @MrMartinSchou
    @MrMartinSchou Рік тому

    Is it really wireless shifting when it clearly has wires coming out of the shifter? It's an electronic shifter, not wireless, and I can't find anything on their site suggesting that they claim it's wireless either.

  • @AMPJ08
    @AMPJ08 Рік тому

    OH YES! finally a reliable low maintenance system cannot be more happy.

  • @Kenny_PL
    @Kenny_PL Рік тому +1

    This is the furure of eMTB... as long as the drag isnt't bad. I still remember the previuos gen Bosch motors with a "dead battery". Ouch...

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      We'll be sure to see how much drag we feel when we get chance to ride it!

    • @Kenny_PL
      @Kenny_PL Рік тому +1

      @@bikeradar any chance you know when will it happen? Days? Weeks? 😈

  • @brenster21
    @brenster21 Місяць тому

    This sounds fantastic, though I would rather a wired shiftered instead of wireless.

  • @eXaviar
    @eXaviar Рік тому

    Now I would consider getting a pinion. All the disadvantages have disappeared 😍

  • @ginor8416
    @ginor8416 Рік тому

    In Toronto waiting for Rotwild and Simplon to be available here

  • @dudleyarnold5745
    @dudleyarnold5745 Рік тому +1

    Let’s see more. Thanks.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      We'll likely do another video when we get some time in the saddle on the system, so stay tuned!

  • @klaymoon1
    @klaymoon1 Рік тому +2

    This looks good!

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      It looks a very neat and well-thought out system, time will tell if it rides as good as looks on paper!

  • @kennethbradley2222
    @kennethbradley2222 Місяць тому

    What is your expected delivery to us suppliers

  • @alandavis5059
    @alandavis5059 2 місяці тому +1

    Hell yes looks wicked

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  2 місяці тому

      Thanks for commenting: What a piece of tech eh!?
      ~ Will

  • @gordonbuck9670
    @gordonbuck9670 Рік тому

    do they do a unit for recumbent tricycle

  • @ericknighton7881
    @ericknighton7881 Рік тому +1

    I wonder how much drag is on the system with speeds past 28MPH.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Pinion hasn't made any claims on drag, so we'll have to try it and see!

  • @M0N60
    @M0N60 Рік тому

    I see that they bend the carbon belt backwards on its way back from the drivetrain. Gates tells customers NEVER to do that to avoid damage of the carbon fibers. Have they commented on this design?

  • @Ody-up6kg
    @Ody-up6kg Рік тому

    Technology marches on!!

  • @evronetwork
    @evronetwork Рік тому

    Does it have regenerative breaking? wondering..

  • @alexanderbeisel6584
    @alexanderbeisel6584 Рік тому +2

    I would lovely buy such a bike….BUT - how much may it cost???!!?

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      No pricing yet, but quite likely a fair amount

  • @Mt.herzberg99
    @Mt.herzberg99 Рік тому

    Why they don't made without battery only with gearbox and drivetrains??

  • @ElevatedLiving1
    @ElevatedLiving1 Рік тому +1

    This is the way

  • @zonoskar
    @zonoskar Рік тому

    This could be ground breaking, but they should have chosen a different name. If you search for MGU, you'll find all sorts of Formula 1 references. But for me, MTB is a sport and as long as I can get around on my current bike, I won't get an eMTB.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      MGU-K and MGU-H from F1 were definitely on Tom's mind when he saw the press release! Ironic as the Pinion team are ex-Porsche and Porsche shelved their potential F1 programme with Red Bull last year!

  • @misty671
    @misty671 Рік тому

    Looks exciting.

  • @AntiDEDok
    @AntiDEDok 8 місяців тому

    I want enduro rigs with it beeing a standart. It seems just superior for commuting purposes too!

  • @MichaelGreenLagos
    @MichaelGreenLagos 2 місяці тому

    They have such small power they need a gearbox. My bike is a hubmotor with a controller that works at 72v with 90 amps it fly don't need gears top speed 80kmh go up any hill and cost me 2000 euro including a full suspension bike with rock shocks

  • @ogog7673
    @ogog7673 2 місяці тому

    I want a full suspension, pinion gearbox, belt driven fat bike

  • @matthornton1564
    @matthornton1564 Рік тому

    Tied into one brand? Er no there are two others to choose from. And the drag is said to be unnoticeable. Effigear can also shift under load.

  • @martinmorris6485
    @martinmorris6485 Рік тому +1

    thank you very useful info

  • @NDURcycling
    @NDURcycling Рік тому +2

    Would love to test one

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      We're excited to try it out, stay tuned to the channel for more!

  • @gavincooper4673
    @gavincooper4673 Рік тому

    When is it out?????

  • @mountaincruiser817
    @mountaincruiser817 Рік тому +1

    Well, good bit of kit but a regular pinion bikes sets you back 6/7k. I don't want to know how a bike with this system will kost.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому +1

      We don't pricing yet, but yes, could be expensive!

  • @user-pq4by2rq9y
    @user-pq4by2rq9y Рік тому

    Add an gyroscope and accelerometer and that motor could maintain speed around sharp corners.

  • @rodspov1915
    @rodspov1915 Рік тому +1

    I would consider an e-bike with this system.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      We think this is going to have a lot of people thinking the same!

  • @SolarizeYourLife
    @SolarizeYourLife 8 місяців тому

    SADLY, everyone that has a current pinion gearbox is completely screwed, you can NOT update your bike to this MGU...You need to buy a completely different bike frame for the MGU!!! You need a MGU bike frame...

  • @EddieSmitBarefoot
    @EddieSmitBarefoot Рік тому

    This is what I want. Using a pinion om my regular bike. I want this system om my speed pedelec. Because: less maintenance. Much less! No more changing 3 chains a year.

  • @brankog7
    @brankog7 Рік тому +1

    Surely it’s derived from motorcycle gearboxes, which have been mated to motors for a 100 years..

    • @brankog7
      @brankog7 6 місяців тому

      No no no it’s “New tech” so the price of E-bike will be even more ridiculous

  • @WasntMeMTB
    @WasntMeMTB Рік тому

    190mm/200mm travel downduro bike with this on please!

  • @OldSlow
    @OldSlow Рік тому

    Chickenhead managed to read the infomercial, with absolutely no passion or feelings.. Job well done!!

  • @tordhelenius7839
    @tordhelenius7839 9 місяців тому

    All good, just one little problem: price

  • @TeamCykelhold
    @TeamCykelhold Рік тому

    Looks awesome! Except for the controller. The controller looks ugly and clunky and I don't want a big fragile screen on my mountain bike either. Learn from TQ and Specialized please! Also, I really really hope they make the bolt holes Shimano compatible. That would be devastating for Shimano.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Pinion haven't confirmed any fitment details, but we think it's unlikely you'll be able to swap to this from any other system sadly!

  • @MarisRozenbergs
    @MarisRozenbergs 10 місяців тому

    NITROS boost button on left handle bar KEKW

  • @markmoreno7295
    @markmoreno7295 Рік тому

    I would buy one especially if it swaps out with a standard p18 pinion gearbox.

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Unfortunately, Pinion haven't confirmed it, but we think its unlikely as you'll need to accommodate the battery as well

    • @markmoreno7295
      @markmoreno7295 Рік тому

      @@bikeradar I can deal with unsightly wires and could attach a battery to my rear rack. I already have the gates carbon belt too.

  • @ireeduibordukh8441
    @ireeduibordukh8441 Рік тому

    Thank you 🙏

  • @Carlifurafollas
    @Carlifurafollas Рік тому +2

    TAKE MY MONEY!! This is the real Transmission 🤭

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Just throw money at the screen, we hear that works...

  • @889811
    @889811 Рік тому

    I need one for testing 😃

  • @charliebamford2807
    @charliebamford2807 Рік тому +1

    Just a Pinion advert! However, good to see development of products like this

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  Рік тому

      Not an advert, just a cool news story 😁 As you say, it is nice to see some potentially good developments!

  • @Iampaynejr
    @Iampaynejr Рік тому

    This will dominate the industry. It’s so far superior to anything else. I own a pinion bike, love it but have been waiting to buy an e-bike until they developed one.

  • @smtkelly
    @smtkelly Рік тому +1

    wireless shifting or electric?

    • @JB-1138
      @JB-1138 Рік тому

      Sounds like both will available on different models.

  • @FantomPhish
    @FantomPhish Рік тому +1

    It doesn’t shift wirelessly does it?

    • @eaze7324
      @eaze7324 8 місяців тому

      No it's electric, powered by the main battery, idk why he calls it wireless

  • @phillycheesetake
    @phillycheesetake 3 місяці тому

    Now all that's needed is dynamo regen for descending.