The Fury of the Time Lord | The Family of Blood | Doctor Who
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Lessons when facing the doctor
1. Don’t underestimate the doctor
2. Don’t let him press all the buttons
3. Don't press all his buttons
3. Don't face the doctor
4.
3. Run
4. There is one thing. One thing you do not want to put in a trap. And that is the Doctor himself.
I heard a quote once: "A wise man fears three things: a sea under a storm, a moonless night,and the anger of a kind man"
thats a quote from the book "the wise mans fear" by Patrick Rothfuss. it may have a different origin, but thats y source. very powerful words, very wise ones as well.
“Something Vimes had learned as a young guard drifted up from memory. If you have
to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has
you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man.
Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you
in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat.
They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar.
So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word.”
Jon Ericson very well said. Is that from a book? Of so please offer up the title cuz it sounds like something I would love to read.
the books are called the kingkiller chronicles
It's from a book series by Terry Pratchett, which sadly I've never read, but when I came across this quote, I loved it.
I love this episode. It has the perfect feel of "I wasn't begging for my life... I was begging for yours."
"call an ambulance...but not for me"
@lanswipe I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me.
Like a certain Starfleet officer.
''I'm not crying for me, I'm crying for you'' - Dolores
0ne of a few times the Doctor did N0T improve a situation
Fun fact: if you're enemy has killed gods and beaten empires single handedly, and he's running away, he's not running from you: he's sparing you.
If your enemy has beaten gods and crippled empires single handedly, and he's running away, he's not running from you. He's running from what he'll do if he stops and turns around.
Fun fact: if your enemy killed gods and beaten empires singlehandedly, you really pick the wrong enemies
And yet, none of them EVER learn.
@@michelvanderlinden8363 THIS!!!! Seriously, they knew the things he had done and still thought it was a good idea to make this man their enemy.
@Mike Dubo
To be fair, you never really see the people who decide not to be his enemies after all. Occasionally a glimpse (eg, the Gallifreyan soldiers who won't fight him), but they're never really front and center.
"He never raised his voice, that was the worst thing." The most chilling threats are said in a whisper
“Don’t you think she looks tired?”
So fitting that he went on to play the Purple Man.
#10 was best. David was perfect.
Speak softly and carry a big stick.
That voice that tells you to cut, to jump off a cliff. It never shouts. It only whispers.
"We wanted to live forever, so the doctor made sure that we did."
That line alone sends chills down my spine. It shows the doctors true self, without his rules.
A good man doesn't need rules. The Family of Blood found out why he has so many.
I'm pretty sure that the Doctor has a rule for when he breaks out. Probably something like "if things ended this way, never show any emotion. They must know, they must be sure that the consequences of their actions caused that. They must feel regret... and for that, i must feel nothing at all".
@@JeshuaMorbus I see this almost as like a relapse for him. He lost his self control in a way, but still feels bad about it. That's why he expresses now joy when dishing out the punishments
@@JeshuaMorbus His final rule is "If you have abandoned your rules, don't hesitate, you did it for a reason."
@@mitchellhorton9382 "When you break rules, break em good and hard." -- Granny Weatherwax
The fact that the Doctor can do all this without a single act of violence or muttering a word yet say everything, just goes to show how dangerous he can actually be.
As we can see when there o limits to his fury.. he could just do anything hz wants because.. hes the doctor
Can death be beautiful? A line said many times about many dark subjects people prefer not to dwell on. But a subject some have to deal with.
It is violence. It's just justified to the viewer. It's great tho
Blowing up their ship is definitely violent lol
Good men don't need "rules" today is not the day to find out why I have so many
"....why he had run away and hidden; he was being kind".
David gives the perfect mix of cold dead eyes and always intense, unmistakable fury. Brilliant. One of the best written and performed DW moments ever.
[nods] that stare... scary shit that. funnily enough, my mother's family have it... and woe betide anybody who's stupid enough to bring it forward. i & my cousins refer to it as the _Death Head Stare_ .
Have you seen 'Broadchurch'?
It's also lovely house it immediately follows one of his playful, almost silly, performances. The whole while he was playing fun, we now know The Doctor was furious and just hiding it. Which means he might /always/ be angry and simply keeping it back for when it's needed...
@@bobbyfeet2240 Those who shine the brightest, feel the sting of... melancholy in ways that others can never understand. - Jean Luc Picard
The Doctor certainly fits the bill.
'No second chances, i am that sort of man' The Doctor
"We wanted to live forever, so the Doctor made sure that we did."
That line always sends chills down my spine.
Indeed.
same
my personal favorite is when he says that everytime you see smth move in a mirror it's actually the little girl
Gart Shwey come to think about it, the 5 doctor's scene when that guy want immortal life, he is encased in a coffin as a statue, long life but unable to do anything, quite similar.
Although that was Rassilon's 'reward' for those who reached his tomb and took his ring.
Then, in 'Mawdryn Undead', there were aliens punished with an eternity of imperfect regenerations who just wanted to die.
People who WANT and actively SEEK immortality don't do well at all on this show.
reminds me of ""Fear me, i've killed hundreds of Time Lords."
"No, you should fear me, i've killed them all!"
"Fear me, I've killed all of them."
"Fear me, I've killed hundreds of Time Lords."
*"Fear me. I've killed all of them."*
... hm. Sends chills down my spine.
Okay, but I never liked that scene. The Doctor wouldn't use the genocide of his people to get one over in a vocal bitch slap. This is the example I always use when I want to demonstrate to people that it's easy to make people not care if something a character is saying is in character or not. If it's badass-quotable enough people are gonna ignore that and just like it anyway. Kinda sad, to be honest.
@@monkeysaru3957 The doctor didn't have a look of pride or anger when he said that. He kind of reminded me of that creepy Oppenheimer interview.
It's like he was reminded of what he did, and he wasn't bragging, he just let the other guy know who he's dealing with. 1. That he is also capable of such a feat 2. That despite his pacifism, he is willing to go to extreme lengths when stakes are high enough.
He didn't have that "Basically... Run" smirk on his face, or the look of anger he had when talking to Daleks "you're my enemy" or that look of righteousness nine had when bragging about Dalek genocide.
I love how he was only concerned if the doctor would forgive his sister. He knows that she's the most innocent and the only one to deserve forgiveness
in all honesty that would make the Dr. less likely to forgive her she was innocent yet was still corrupted just like him 1 - 8 would have never done something like this but the war dr to number 12 all have this edge of darkness that the companions have to pull them back from sometimes she wouldn't have this her drive to free her family and get revenge would drive her so hed leave her trapped rather then risk what she would become
She did kill a man.
Just because she took over a child doesn't mean she is a child.
@@seanbraley27727 100% would do this. This is originally a 7 story
@@kennethlarocque2605okay, to be completely fair, these guys have the lifespans of small insects like a mayfly or a fairyfly. That's why they were after The Doctor's lives in the first place. So without trying to get the lives of a Time Lord, the girl might've literally died the next day.
Love how we spend almost the entire 90 minute runntime with the family portrayed as these terrifying almost unbeatable villians who even the doctors runs and hides from only to have them all dispatched mercilessly in a few sentences at the end.
It makes the whole story feel pointless. It's only purpose was to illustrate the use of the watch, which we later saw with the master. Because the Doctor running away from the family, arriving at a place inhabited by humans, and putting those people's lives at risk for the sake of taking the moral high ground is just stupid IMO. He wasn't being kind, but careless. It's like Nurse Redfrern said “If the doctor had never chosen this place on a whim, would anyone here have died?”.
Doesn't make the story pointless at all, the idea is that the Doctor could have easily defeated them at any time, but at an enormous cost to his own core values. It's why audiences love him but comes with its own drawbacks, such as the innocent people who died because the Family weren't dealt with sooner.
The Doctor wanted to give them the easy way out of dying naturally so he wouldn't have to stop them
He knew what he would do to them and ultimately they forced him to do his worst
A man whom wiped out his own entire species to stop a war that threatened all of existence .. this is not a man whom fears such petty foes .. this is a man whom fears himself. ... And rightfully so.
"He still visits my sister"
Even when the Doctor deals judgment, his hearts still go out to the kid.
Why would the doctor feel for her? From what I understand she is an alien gas that killed the little girl and is wearing her corpse. She also killed many other people during her families quest for immortality.
I saw this new epilogue, and it made me slightly worried about Paul Cornell.
The lesson here seem to be that it's ok to violate a small child in the most complete way possible, where her skin around like an 80s slasher monster, and then be complicit in a hand full of innocent deaths
...so long as you Appear to be a little girl.
:/
Paul Cornell, blink twice if the BBC is forcing you to write these things,... and why do you have a black eye?
P.C: " I WALKED INTO A DOOR!!
err..I mean #believe women!!
...please don't talk to me, they'll hurt me again.."
@@BSLcreations what she did was completely wrong, I'm just saying I think he has a soft spot for kids. Plus, she was most likely brainwashed into her crimes
@@BSLcreations The Doctor forgives monsters who have killed millions. This is not new.
Also, this in no way condones daughter of mine's actions. Hence why she has been trapped in the mirror world for God knows how long. Human beings have done worse actions and have gone to jail for less time.
Sometimes the worst thing you can do to a person is grant their greatest wish.
"When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers."--Oscar Wilde
'May you live in intresting times;
May you come to the notice of high officals;
And may the gods grant your every desire'.
An ancient Chinese proverb which can be read as a blessing ... or a curse ...
Ironically had they have doctors ability, they would've experienced far worse. Things he made them go through is very little of what he went through when the universe was gone and when it started. Eternity of loneliness.
Like what the genie did to Jafar in Aladdin. It ultimately led to his undoing.
@@nigelft It's actually an apocryphal saying. There's no evidence that it stems from Chinese culture.
In my opinion, this is the best sort of character. Someone who normally seems so harmless, jovial even, but when pushed to far, the gloves come off, the smile disappears and the thing that makes Gods and Demons flee comes to the surface
Good men don't need rules. The doctor has many.
@@andreidragostin Except Moffat doesn't follow his own rules.
that's the best definition I've read of what being British means- and this story is very much how the British saw themselves just before WW1
Reminds me of the guy from Bleach forgot his name but he's got long blonde hair. He's very chill but he was also like the head warden of a really fucked up prison iirc and knows how to do dark magic
@@cabnbeeschurgr6440 Do you mean Urahara? Cus...he really doesnt apply here. he acts the fool, but no one is...well, fooled, outside of the main cast who dont know him. Hes also not the type to be considered a 'good man' in the same way as the Doctor. Also, not dark magic, that doesnt really exist in Bleach, just a bloody themed power set.
“First thing you notice about the Doctor of War is that he is unarmed. For many, it's also the last”
The range from David is unbelievable
First he's scared and cowardly
Next he's back to the quirky doc
And lastly the silent rage
Man has it all
Now you have an idiot woman who can't act.
@@madquest8 bloody hell who hurt you jodie is great chibbers is the one you should be blaming
@@madquest8 fucking hell you are either an idiot or sexist. jodie is acting is fine she is not written with a lick of sense though.
imagine if tennant was written with a love for mega corps and decided to kill creatures via starvation. Than we would hate him. They had an awesome actor with nice eccantric range within her belt. And they fucked it up. shame.
@@Raximor I mean i don’t agree with that. Being a woman is fine, calling attention to that isnt
11th Doctor, but still a good quote for the 10th.
"Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many."
John Smith was a good man.
The Doctor had a chance to live, and grow old, and die, and finally make an end of it, all as a good man, and The Family of Blood took it away from him.
That, was their mistake.
Two things, that "good men dont need rules, today is not the day to find out why I have so many" is how someone described me, also the family of blood wanted the doctors immortality by removing John smiths mortality, so they deserved it.
There is another from that same episode, "Demons run when a good man goes to war." They run not cuz of his power but because when a good man is pushed so far that he'll go to war, he won't stop and he won't have remorse.
Another saying that is accurate but not from doctor who is "never mistake one's silence for weakness"
It is a good quote for all of the doctors
@@keyan1219 I'm pretty sure that every single saying was actually originally created by/for the doctor
The line
"He was being kind." When talking about the doctor running away really reminds me of later on with 11. When Victorian Clara is doing the one word test and uses the word kindness for why she thinks the doctor will help her.
The doctor is kind. And that kindness has gotten him hurt many many times, and sometimes he has to stop being kind.
But in the end, his kindness is what makes him The Doctor.
"Never be cruel, never be cowardly. Remember, hate is always foolish, and love is always wise. Always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind. " - The Twelfth Doctor
In A Town Called Mercy, the Doctor feels like everyone always dies because of his mercy. But he still chooses mercy, because even if it doesn't always work, it's still worth a shot.
@@HylianKnight02 and never eat pears
Thats why the time war is so great. He abandoned his usual self and usual morals and justified it because it was a just war for survival.
But that changed him and scarred him so he will always carry a darker side that no companion will ever understand and truly makes him alone. Even if the time lords survived none of them experienced what he did.
Everyone's going on about David Tennant (rightly), but some appreciation is deserved for the protagonist of the Family of Blood, it's _his narration_ that makes this scene - and it really is a good summation of the Doctor, his trickery, power and capacity for Vengeance … thus one of Tens favourite threats "you get one warning - that was it" (along with "I used to be so full of mercy"). The whole story arc could be based on that trait.
[And as shown in the Pandoricum; The Doctor is a trickster God, the most feared and deadly warrior ever] …
He made a good villain for the Doctor to play off against, and that's what makes the best Dr Who episodes. They only appeared once but The Family of Blood are iconic, and that's partially due to the performances of The Family (the entire casting for the two parter was excellent, but imagine it with some meh actors).
This character is played by Harry Lloyd I believe (fun fact: he's a relative to Dickens), quite a fine actor too. See his performance in Counterpart series for example...
What i dont get is no one tried to look beneath the scare crow didnt he screamed or said something all those years......like brah the fuck
@@fireballs7346 He was suspended in time, ie he couldn't move or speak.
@@peterchu5609 but no one looked underneath the scarecrow like u strong wind would have blown the mask or whatever stuff like that....seems silly to me atleast
@@fireballs7346 oh shut up
"...and then we discovered why. Why this Doctor, who had fought with gods and demons, why he had ran away from us and hid. He was being kind."
+Liam Green why chills it's epic they deserved it u don't mess with David Tennant
+Adam Wan or a nine!
+SugarPepper149 Pfff Puh lease....I would take Pissed of 10,11 and 9 over pissed off 7 any time.
+AnestNightroad lol i guess
+AnestNightroad Far more than just another Time Lord.
This scene, right here, this is why I loved David Tennant's version of the doctor.
He was happy, bubbly, often one of the nicest guys you'd ever meet!
.....but if you toy with him, if you try to harm him or his friends? He will destroy you in the most brilliant way possible.
And I Like His Sad Side
This comment so much!
Rosey678
They all have their moment, but David Tennant's were day and night. The other versions might've gotten payback for some slight, but when Tennant's Doctor got vengeance, it was pretty clear you dun goof'd.
Rixoli Oh definitely!
But 10s the man who never would and also this is based on a book which has 7 in it
And it makes more sense with 7
In my opinion, Harry Lloyd is an extremely underrated actor and performs phenomenally in every role he’s given.
Oh yeah, he was brilliant in this. Really uncanny.
That’s the Charles Dickens blood.
Oh, that’s him? Nice.
He also did a beautiful job voicing Viktor in Arcane
“He never raised his voice. That was the worst thing. The *Fury* of The Time Lord. Then we discovered why, why this Doctor who had fought with Gods and Demons, why’d he run away from us and hidden. He was being *kind* ”
*goosebumps*
"Oh, i killed. I did an awful lot of killing. I did worse. I got clever. I made people take their own lives."
Now we know what that looked like.
"It's not like I'm an innocent. I've taken live... and I got worse, I got clever... Manipulated people into taking their own"
EpicCraftTeam which episode is that quote from?
Godman250 the end of time part 2
Godman250
Like Cleave said "The End of Time Part 2" when The Doctor and Wilfrid are talking on the ship.
Thanks guys
Tenant was the absolute master of cold Time Lord fury.
Eccleston could be severe and have moments of explosion, Smith pulls off outright anger and joyful menace perfectly, but as far as soul-chilling cold fury goes, Tenant is the man.
+ISchulz
i know tenant is the most popular, but i kinda liked eccleston a little better
and smith was also a perfect choice for the doctor....he seemed to have a sort of natural weirdness to him...
took me a while to adapt to capaldi(and i guess a bit of time for him to adapt to the character) but eventually he got there, he's the doctor :)
+ISchulz Maybe. But I'd go up against everyone of them, I WOULDN'T go up against Capaldi though. His fury is chilling coz he's the most unpredictable. He'll win. But HOW he'll win is what you should be afraid of.
ITS TENNANT*
+Morbius Fitzgerald Absolutely agree. I also consider this Tennant's best story (just narrowly beating Midnight for me) but the ending is far more suited to McCoy's portrayal. I'd not read the book when I saw the episodes, though I knew it was based on one (and that it was a Seven story). As much as I like the story and feel that Tennant fits better with the idea of "Doctor lives a normal life", McCoy fits the "cosmic justice" parts better.
Peter was born as the dark time lord
A good man isn't running because he's scared, he's running because he knows what he'll do if he turns around.
"Good men don't need rules," this was the day the family found out why The Doctor has so many.
"All wise men fear three things - Storms at sea, a moonless night, and the rage of a gentle man."
The Doctor is the kindest person in the universe.
But anger him, and you open the floodgates to horrors you couldn’t ever dream of.
Donna was right. He needs someone to tell him when to stop.
One thing I know about the Tenth Doctor; When he is all talkative, he's great to listen to. But when he goes silent, it's the kind of chill that will give his most ardent fans nightmares.
That's just David Tennant. I cannot fathom a more perfect choice to play Kilgrave. He does silent fury better than anyone else.
@@billwithers7457 It's his eyes.
@@Mugen0445 It really is his eyes. He has somehow combined the hollow emptiness of an thousand yard stare, and unbridled hatred and disgust. It's downright haunting
@@billwithers7457 it's funny, there's a Reddit thread in hot right now about casting choices that seemed mismatched but ended up being fantastic, some said DT as Kilgrave. They were like, prior to that he just seemed like the goofy, fun alien, I just replied "clearly you didn't pay much attention"
Which is precisely why he was the best Doctor.
No, but what really gets me sad about this scene is that he visits his sister "Once a year, every year". And if she is in "Every mirror" That means that the doctor only looks at a mirror once a year. Further proof that he hates himself so much that he can't stand to look at his own reflection.
Yo thats good thinking
Probably he doesn't need to look as his reflection everyday because he doesn't really change as humans do. A year for the doctor could be a day for us, do you see yourself in a mirror 365 times a day?
I prefer the other explanation honestly.
Although it could also be that Ten knows he looks so fine that he doesn't even need to look in the mirror hehe
Emily J I think that more so means he goes back to the original mirror once a year. partially because hes looked at mirrors multiple time in the series.
gradan lamb sauce It would mostly be that the original mirror used to hold her is one where she would be Seen easier.
So the doctor can actually See her much better compared to any Regular Mirror.
The Doctor’s anger was so incomprehensible that he wouldn’t even let the Family escape it by dying. Nope. He made them live forever tormented by his rage. Such is the fury of a Time Lord.
Some hated this episode but Tennant and the writers showed why the doctor was someone most of the universe respected or feared.
Hated? This Masterpiece?
Tell me their address, I would like to have a 'friendly' chat with them =)
@@ivandphantom9028 Nobody "hated" it, people just love to act like everything is "underrated" and they're the only ones who liked it so they can feel unique and special
@@sabrina63 Bruh
People who hate this are the same people who want the doctor and everyone in the show to be perfect and don't have any capacity for nuance.
Same people who get mad at Amy trying to seduce the doctor. Not everyone is perfect and if you actually see the character as complex like real people are you'll understand it.
@@robertJ14 No, there are other reasons. I don't hate it personally but I'm not overly fond of it outside of this scene because I find the story mostly tedious to sit through, as John Smith is a character that just does not resonate at all for me. Which is ironic since I love Ten himself.
Its fine if you do like John Smith and the other characters, its not like its hard to see why certain people consider it a masterpiece, just isn't an enjoyable masterpiece for some people due to it being too boring.
"He never raised his voice, that was the worst thing." A man slow to anger is far more dangerous than one with a hair trigger temper.
Oh Yes especially the men that most of the time don't go to anger, because if one time one poor soul push them too far... . I am one of this sort of men. I have never been pushed so far... but, I feel in me, this small part of savagery, cruelty, hate, anger and violence, this "Mr Hyde" in me, sadistic, loving making suffer. I don't like him, perhpas I fear him, I fear this part of me, and I hope that never meet a situation permiting this part of me going outside, because I am not sure to be able to put the devil in the bottle again after. I perfectly understand the fiction character David Banner on the TV show "The Indredible Hulk" : don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when I am angry.
@@michelguy5569 Alright settle down bud
@@michelguy5569 jeez can you shut up for a sec for the sake of god no ones care
@@PELZ666 cringe af, right?
@michelguy5569 HAHA this ticks all the boxes! I hope I read more comments like this.
“Peter Capaldi’s era will be darker.”
David: Hold my sonic...
Capaldi and Smith were big on threats but Tennant actually showed how cold the Doctor could really be
The Official Tater Tot :3 I haven’t watched Capaldi yet, but I can’t really see how the Doctor can get any darker than that Time Lord Victorious moment (waters of mars)
@@ostsarahb7466 ENjoy the last doctor. Jodie is a great actress but the new runners are playing an ideology game, not doing doctor who.
Freedom Extremist do you mean she doesn’t have any dark moments?
@@ostsarahb7466 Other then spyfall nothing big big yet but I think its building up to it considering that 13 is basically bottling everything up and imho I think shes going to snap and when she does it will not be pleasant.
I personally think the Tenth Doctor is the most terrifying of all the incarnations when he gets angry
I always thought this was out of character for Ten, turns out this story was originally written for the Seventh Doctor, which makes a lot more sense. Either way, it's still a chilling depiction of the Doctor's fury, regardless of the incarnation
@@dalekbumps really? there are plenty of examples before this one of 10 showing his angry side. i’m glad this story wasn’t made with the seventh doctor, he seems to goofy to have pulled it off properly
@@sub-zero5433 thing is the seventh has two personas the goofy one and his real one, tho it now makes sense that the story came from the seventh, certain scenes play out in a way you see the tenth wouldn’t react, the more text book example is him faking being John smith that’s the seventh in a nutshell, a fool in disguise
Tho you are right the tenth pulled it off regardless
Idk, nine is pretty scare, remember when he was ready to beat a dalek to death with a pipe or told it to kill itself?
@@dragenfire68 that last point: 7 caused a Dalek to kill itself with his words
I like that he never looks like he takes pleasure in what hes doing. He looks mad that he has to condemn these people to their fates.
There is no joy in those eyes, thats the look of "I REALLY didn't want to do this, to any of you, but you've forced my hand"
In the episode where the doctor first meets River Song, he tells the creatures there to access him in the libraries data base and they instantly recoil in fear and retreat. I think this ending is a glimpse to what they found. We almost never see the doctor be truly scary and that's why this is one of my favorite.
The Doctor goes back and forth thinking he's always the good guy of the story, but also knowing he has a reputation for winning battles. It comes off as a little strange to me how often he forgets this and acts surprised when someone might wage a war against him perceiving him to be a threat.
That's why the Panadorica and River Song story lines were great. To the people of the forest doctor means mighty warrior
Also in the episode where Missy is about to be executed, he gets them to look him up in the “Fatality Index” under “Cause of death”.
Are were sure the Doctor isn’t secretly the Devil?
You said what I thought :3
This ending was actually quite dark and morbid.
***** I never implied that I didn't :p
Hard to feel sorry for that nasty lot, tho.
That Welsh Guy I mean they got what they wanted pretty sweet deal for the most precise description of the tenth
but fitting
it shows that the doctor is really a very tired old man who has seen too much for us to comprehend
and he STILL acts happy go lucky for the sake of the people he influences and for his own sanity
shows how much he teeters on the verge of utter insanity
I used to wonder how a relative handful of strange-talking, eccentric folks living on a chilly-but-green little archipelago off the NW coast of Europe could have managed, in their day, to conquer or control some 40% of the Earth's landmass, containing many hundreds of millions of their fellow human beings -- and for many decades. I no longer wonder, when THIS runs in David Tennant's blood.
“Why he run away from us and be hidden, he was being kind” just shows you how the doctor represents the quote fear is earned not giving
I still believe David Tenant is the best Doctor. He pulls the role off so incredibly well. His charisma, the blank stare he gives in times of distress and the way he showed unfathomable anger with just a look. No words, simply a stare. Truly a fantastic actor and easily my favorite to take on the role
There are three things all wise men fear
The sea in storm
A night with no moon
And the rage of a gentle man
well said
who are you quoting?
Patrick Rothfuss, The Kingkiller Chronicle
"If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat. They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar. So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word."
My thoughts exactly
Still not ginger though
David Tennant is amazing he can go from weird to silly to angry to serious and dark in a matter of moments in my opinion he was the best doctor
No.
But he holds a worthy second place behind Tom Baker.
He’s many people’s favourite. Brilliant actor.
Same. I adored him. He will always be MY doctor
For me Matt Smith may not be the greatest doctor but he will always be my favourite doctor. And also has one of the best themes. I am the Doctor.
And no offense to the great Alan Young, he is also the best Scrooge McDuck.
Just think that even though it's only for 3 special episodes, we're still getting this legendary man back as the Doctor.
But he's going to be number 14.
Don't you mean number 1400?@@ericdunn7352
One thing I loved about Ten is that for as funny and goofy as he could be at times, there was a darkness to him behind the facade. He really felt like a man who lived through the worst the universe had to offer and come out the other side. And this episode perfectly captures what that did to him.
I've just realised something: what if the cruel punishments were personal? What if it was not the Doctor, but the last bit of John Smith taking his fury out on the people who prevented him from living his life?
i was thinking the same thing... you might be right
I think it's very personal, but it's also all the Doctor. John Smith was a good man, he would have lived and died a good man. If he had to, he would have killed The Family to stop them, but he wouldn't have been cruel about it.
Now, the Doctor, the Doctor is not a good man, not at heart. He struggles to be, he forces himself to act like one, he binds himself up in rules and grasps desperately at the humanity of his companions, trying to prevent himself from becoming what he knows he could be... The Time Lord Victorious, The Vengeful God, The Oncoming Storm.
I also thought about this, and I think it is
Well, the episode told us that John Smith was the "human" part of the Doctor, therefore, in a way, you could say it was him, yes.
holless 12 said it best he is not a good man and he is not a bad man he’s just an idiot with a box
"He never raised his voice. That was the worst thing... the fury of the Time Lord... and then we discovered why. Why this Doctor, who had fought with gods and demons, why he had run away from us and hidden. He was being kind... "
"the anger of a good man is nothing to be afraid of. Good men have too many rules."
_"Good men don't need any rules. And now is not the time to find out why I have so many."_
@Dorieke Beek ua-cam.com/video/tCnXBD8TKJg/v-deo.html#t=10m45s
Always fear the quite ones
I always wondered why he ran. Now we know he was being kind.
lonewolf9390 this quote always gives me chills
"He never raised his voice, that was the worst thing"
This is my favorite episode from David Tennant it showed the passionate side and the furious side of the doctor.
There are two tragedies in life: not getting what you want, and getting it. The Family of Blood finally got what they wanted.
What makes this even scarier? It's not the fact that The Doctor has the power to do this.
It's the fact that he can even come up with them.
The fact that you have to push him this far for him to have no remorse.
No hurtful words, no raising of the voice, no long-winded speech about his fury.
Just total silence, and a cold stare. Sentencing you to eternal punishment....and staring at you dead in the face while doing it.
I'd still imagine that he had to put in a LOT LOT LOT of effort in order to do this to them. As in, this is the "once in a blue moon while a double rainbow is going on while it's leap year" rarity.
M0lot0v94
12th brought a dead human to life and made the said human immortal.
At the fall of the 9th, the Daleks tell him he has, "No weapons, no defenses, no plan." The Doctor agrees, and asks, "And doesn't that scare you to death?"
He improvises well, always has.
Infinite punishment for a finite crime is never justified, whatever the deed. Hopefully he didn't really mean eternity.
@@Hoganply Ah, but the crime truly was infinite. They wanted to live forever, did they not?
"Good men have too many rules."
"Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many."
@@ThomasBaker8477 yup. He tries to do good but recognizes the darkness he has inside and always fights.
One thing I've noticed about the 10th doctor above all other doctors: He's actually extremely cold.
I like how this implies that the Doctor only looks at his reflection once a year
Here's a question though. Daughter of Mine is trapped inside the mirror dimension, but does that include selfie cameras since those are pretty commonly used as pseudo mirrors
Well he’s a time traveller, once year is probably every minute to him
@@richardmillhousenixon oh gosh yeah
@@richardmillhousenixon ...I cant even mock this because more people would believe that
That would still be more than 4,500,002,000 times. How many times do you need to look at yourself before the sight gets boring?
"You'll find it's a very small universe when I'm angry with you..."
Which is that from?
I've done my best but I strongly advise you to keep out of my way.... you'll find its a very small universe when im angry with you
@@India.H It's from the end of Face the Raven. Series 9 Episode 10.
Capaldi's Doctor says it to the immortal Ashildr.
@@0megaFan thank you
I loved both Capaldi and Smith(my second and third favorites respectively) but there's a reason Tennant is forever my favorite. 11 and 12 were open and talked about their inner darkness, 10 actually showed his inner darkness.
David gets a tonne of well deserved praise for being the best Doctor, but gods the writing was good too
He wasn't running from the Family because he was scared about what they'd do to him... he was scared of what HE would do to THEM.
One could make the same statement about the doctor running from the time lords. He reluctantly went to fight in the time war. Then once he remembered the events from the day of the doctor he was happy and his soul was free and pure......
Then the time lords out of fear tried to manipulate the doctor and in so he lost Clara.
The result once he got back to galifray "to the city. Find somebody important. Tell them I'm back. Tell them, I know what they did, and I'm on my way. And if they ask you who I am, tell them I came the long way round."
Then finally "get off my planet "
Reminds me of something Chief O'Brien said on Deep Space 9. He was talking to a Cardassian soldier about the war between them years back, and the Cardassian asks, "Why do you hate us?"
O'Brien says something like, "I don't hate you. I hate what you made me become during that war."
A good case of the good ol' “None of you seem to understand. I’m not locked in here with you. You’re locked in here with me!”
@@rorieb20 Capaldi's Doctor took a long time to win me over. In series 8, he pissed me off to a point where I probably would have quit the show if I didn't care so much about Clara. I was willing to put up with him for her sake but it wasn't until Season 9 that I started softening towards Capaldi. In Hell Bent, I finally admitted to myself that the man had earned his place as the Doctor.
@@paulcoy9060 ‘ it’s not you I hate Cardassian, I hate who I became *because* of you’ Star Trek The Next Generation episode ‘The Wounded’
"You shouldn't have let me push all those buttons"
Never let the Doctor Push all the buttons!
+K.o.t.O.R. 511 That's rule one.
If he sees a big red button, well...he might feel compelled to push it.
How about the wibbly lever? Or the buttons that make mustard and ketchup?
+K.o.t.O.R. 511 Nerver give The Doctor any button!!!;-)
this is why he cant have nice things...
what about some of the buttons? can the doctor push some of the buttons?
This. This is good writing. This is depth of character. This is brilliantly acted. THIS.
They never really explain how the doctor got things like chains forged in a dwarf star, or trapped someone in every mirror. Which implies to me that this was no special expenditure of effort on his part.
Taking care of them was basically the equivalent of squashing a bug to the doctor.
this will always be the most powerful moment of David Tennants run as The Doctor.
End of time, where the doctor is holding the gun. That is the most downright most powerful moment ever. Not with rose, not with Martha.
Alright well in my opinion this is the most powerful moment
Osman Ahmed time lord victorious made me mad because it ruined David Tennants doctor it made him seem evil and corrupt that's the moment I lost love for him
Sean Last What do you mean time lord victorious?
At the end of water of mars when he's talking to Adelaide
I liked Tennant the most, because he portrayed the doctor as a cheerful enthusiastic man, but in the events of stress or extreme danger he showed his military background, cold logical thinking and and cunning perhaps even sadistic undertone in his actions towards his enemies. He portrayed him as good man with maybe not that good of a past.
I wouldn't say he's sadistic, sadism implies feeling pleasure at people's suffering, for him to be sadistic he would have to care. Ten seems more dead inside than anything, like he's gotten angry one too many times and now he's just done with everyone's bullshit. He doesn't care enough to be angry, he can't feel anything anymore because he's over it. And honestly, I think his revenge served cold is far more terrifying than if his revenge were served hot.
I feel like this episode does a really good job at demonstrating the ‘demons run when a good man goes to war’. It really shows the fury of a good man when he’s pushed
This scene always simultaneously makes me laugh at how intense it is out of nowhere and also gives me genuine chills. It's the perfect microcosm of Doctor Who. Silly at how self-serious such a cheesy show can get but also so full of heart
I didn’t fully appreciate this scene until recently, because the bit about trapping the sister in the mirror always took me out of it and gave me very “spooky stories children tell each other at sleepovers” vibes (any time you see something in the corner of your eye” or whatever), but I’ve since moved past that and see this scene for what it is. Love it more now than I ever have!
@@katieblue5051even as a twelve or so year old, when i first saw this episode during TV re-runs, it made me happy and made me feel like part of that world.
Like just a little part of that world is here, now.
And i was just getting edgy back then. I could appreciate that aspect, anyway.
We all grow older. We just have to stay warm 💜
Leave it to the Doctor to give the bad guys precisely what they wanted all along... and still make it one of the worst punishments in the history of the show.
Taking a page from Rassilon's book... before he was played by Timothy Dalton I mean.
yeah. chilling scene for sure.
in all the tv series i watch, i can think of few punishments that can rival this punishment, although one from Dark matter comes close. they trapped a hacker in his own mind while he was connected to a life support system. and he was fully aware of what they did
Ducttapestuff I mean it is something that has been done since Greek times, see the Midas touch but it still is a great story
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And the moral of this story is when The Doctor gives you a chance take it because he won't give you second one.
"No second chances, I'm that kind of a man."
HunHaze *I'm that kind of a man
If ONLY Anthony Head had somehow wound up playing The Master-Oh DAMN it would have been incredible.
gave them 2 episodes lol
@@HunHaze *I'm that sort of a man
2:11 That face, those expressive eyes. Oh my days. Swoon!!!
This scene gives me chills every time. David's performance is incredible and chilling.
"No second chances...I'm that sort of man" and by golly did he make that VERY clear in this episode.
He ran from them, that was the Family's only chance of living a normal life. When they decided to hunt him, they lost that chance
Yeah peoplw tend to forget. Ten is an incarnation with a still very vivid memory of the time war. You can really feel in the RTD era what hell this has been and what kinf of unimaginable atrocities the doctor had to witness and sometimes even perform.
We get of course some power plays for the doctor in classic but everything pales to the things he has done in the lore.
My favorite part. "I finally realized why this doctor who had fought with gods and demons run from us and hidden..... He was being kind." Meaning he could have defeated them a lot sooner but gave them a chance to avoid a fight with him.
That's my fav to.
that's what he said he was saying that to us and if you don't know what it meant think about it a little harder or just don't look back
Well he did say he was "no second chances" sort of man back in "The Christmas Invasion" so...
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He was running away from the Family of Blood because he wanted to save them from his fury.
"You just killed someone I liked - that is not a safe place to stand!"
David Tennant was such a good doctor he could be a silly bumbling genius, a kind man, but when push came to shove he was your worst nightmare.
Him and Capaldi both. Though Capaldi was a little further towards the darker end of that spectrum during his day to day life as the Doctor
@@richardmillhousenixon
...and both a Scottish
Tells you something
Something that is now missing from the show.
9th doctor is still the better one his smile and emotion plays are funny also dark since the war doctor regerated the doctor changed to a warrior and still is the doctor of war
Now I can see why he plays that scientist from the Ark game series and future animation
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the insane look on Tennant's face when he says "run", which is appropriately illuminated by a red glowing light
The best screenshot to show when summarizing the entirety of the show
Bruh, that look at 1:56...only Tennant could pull that off. The mixture of disappointment and fury that says "I didn't want to do this, but now that you made me do it...we're going alllll the way."
That last line always gives me chills! excellent job to the writers! "We wanted to live forever, so the Doctor made sure that we did."
so they chose fate instead of death
The Doctor loves to outsmart his enemy and tries not to resort to violence, but there are clues that suggest if The Doctor wanted, he could in fact, perform feats of unimaginable power and cosmic might; he just prefers never to do so.
I would refer you to The Cartmel Masterplan to shed more light on that
TheBrokenMadMan
Yes, another perfect example.
Another example is the Season 3 finale. He tapped into the weak psychic field created by the humans below and somehow gathered enough power to reverse time, melt the cage he was in, and FLY.
Quite possibly the most ridiculous feat the Doctor has ever pulled off, but it does support your theory quite heavily.
ThisisBrak Well, we've seen the Doctor blow up a Dalek army with the power of regeneration, I'd say that your "theory" is a pretty much established fact of the series.
ThisisBrak In "A Good Man goes to War" the Doctor says "Good men don't need rules. Today is not a good day to find out why I have so many." Also I think the Master seems like a character who is what the Doctor could very well be if he went down a darker path. There's also been episodes with Daleks where it was brought up that his hatred of them made him more like them. There was an episode with the 9th Doctor where a Dalek said "You would make a good Dalek" also in the episode Into the Dalek there was a Dalek who said "I am not a good Dalek. You are a good Dalek". Also in the Waters of Mars there was a thing on him trying to change an event in time saving a woman who's granddaughter would be important in the future due to what happened. She said to him "if my family changes the whole of history could change. The future of the human race. No one should have that much power" And his response to this was simply "Tough."
I always thought the actor of the main 'family of blood' guy, the guy who narrates the end, performed extremely well ! Great actor whoever it is
Harry Lloyd. He's an amazing actor!
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+4TheWinQuinn Yeah, Harry Lloyd is his name and he played Viserys Targaryen, the brother of Daenerys on the first season of Game of Thrones.
+Antonio Chasten He also played Will Scarlet in BBC's Robin Hood
+Ann-Marie Mallinson Do you know he's actually a descendant of Charles Dickens? Look him up! :)
That's why a good person can be truly frightening when pushed to the limit. A cruel person is someone you can always count on to be cruel, but with a good person, you have no idea what they'll do, or what they're capable of.
1:40 that moment when you realise you done messed up big time!!!!
OH YAH THINK
The family of blood wanted immortality, so the doctor gave it to them and at the same time he made them suffer for their actions
He defined what it means to be careful what you wish for
He knows it better than anyone... lives forever isn't a good thing.. its a tragedy and a special feels at the same time
Definitely.
"There are fates worse than death."
That is something to always remember; death will always be a mercy, never a punishment.
You wish for immortality, but then you regret being given it and wish for death, but never receive it.
That is the fate of the Family here, they brought the fury of the Time Lord upon themselves.
@@WrathNebula321 Also when you are immortal the risk of being permanently imprissoned goes up 100%.
You can be trapped in the bowls of the earth and sure eventually the earth will burn when the sun becomes a red giant.
However... Even if you somehow escape being trapped in the suns gravity.
All you will do is float forever in space.
@@Erikjust Exactly. That's why being immortal is a fate worse than death.
That punishment is horrific
Peter Walker to be fair it was given by the Doctor, who literally murdered his entire planet sooooo
no he destroyed 2 empires and he did have a reason
saving the galaxy from annihilation due to the war
if you watch the show there are many episodes where the doctor is faced with a race that's home was destroyed in the time war
I mean.... yeah they destroyed a town and tried to kill him after he gave them plenty of time to reconsider/run away... so yeah they asked for it literally they wanted immortality
dogeomoon The third yeah, I do watch the show. It's amazing tbh
@FollTrace oh boi how that's changed
Idk whats more creepy, the fury of the time lord, or how that guy explained what happened. Goosebumps every time 😰
'We wanted to live forever, so the doctor made sure that we did'
Damn I love that line
"Because if theres one thing you shouldn't have done, you shouldn't of let me push all those buttons" Doctor Who in a nutshell I feel.
"Never let me talk" is also a decent shell
Tiy dont want to be around when the Doctor reverses the polarity
"We wanted to live forever, so the Doctor made sure that we did." Well, the Family of the Blood weren't very specific HOW they going to live forever. The Family of Blood should had put their version of living forever, in writing, just in case of MISUNDERSTANDING.
Ten remembered what he learned during the Game of Rassilon (in The Five Doctors).
They didn't put it in writing because they thought they were in control and could make it however they wanted.
@@Pumpkin525 true but who want to lived forever, few billions years? .ew.
Why is it that when a good person is consumed with rage and hatred, we take notice? I think it is because of the spontaneity of the whole thing. Evil is predictable. When a person is cruel, you can expect them to be cruel. You can expect them to gloat, to mock, to twist the knife, thus you can prepare for them and counter them. But it’s the kind people that are truly dangerous, for when a kind person is backed into a corner, when they’re left with nothing to lose, no one will have any idea what they’re capable of…not even themselves.
After all these years since it was first broadcast, I've **never** seen The Doctor this angry, and I've never seen them that angry ever again.
I keep thinking about why, and then I realise that it's because John Smith was an innocent man. He had done nothing wrong, and The Family didn't just kill him, they forced him to take his own life, afraid and terrified in his last moments. They made an innocent man who had done nothing wrong end his own life like that. For what? Power. Greed. Selfishness.
No wonder The Doctor was so angry.
There's also the factor which is brought up at the end, when the Doctor is asked "Would all those people have died had you not been here?" The Doctor decided not to face them and instead became human, believing the Family wouldn't find him or would give up the hunt. Yet the Family was ruthless and killed many people in their hunt for him. That choice to show mercy caused huge ramifications for all those involved.
Revenge levels:
R=1: Spitting, frothing temporarily-insane rage
R=2: Preemptive strike that that is 50% fear
R=5: Hissing, malevolent psychopath
R=10: Cunning, calculating, icily sinister Dark Lord
R=∞. The calm, kindly justice of the Doctor.
Like probably a diest personally have that opinion
This is two cautionary stories in 1 episode.
First: be careful what you wish for you might just get it.
Second: If you know your target has battled god and monsters and won, do the smart thing RUN AWAY.
As the son said, "we wanted to live forever, so the doctor made so we did." Personally having immortality is a horrific situation, because you are watching your friends and family die, the doctor knows this, this properly why when this family wanted it, he gave it to them, but at a price.
@The Angry Disney Nerd they wont listen, they either dont care, or dont have a family, really how many DB villians have a family like parents or children, I cant name any, except freiza had king cold.
his advice to run was kind of sadistic considering how much less painful dying in the explosion would have been
"The Daleks are the scariest monsters in Doctor Who."
The Doctor himself: "Hold my jelly babies."
What made David tennants performance the best, is because he was capable of getting across all the characteristics of the doctor, but the one thing that most doctors were never able to get across about the time lord, is just how terrifying the doctor is! And this is a prime example of just how horrifying the doctor can be.
I'm thinking back to Classic Doctor Who to when the Time Lords were first introduced, and boy were they intimidating. Now watching this, this has the exact same intimidation. Fear the Time Lords, even it is just one of them, because they are scary when they mean business.
@@jonarbuckle778 - The Time Lords could retgone entire species.
Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi is good at being terrifying. Especially Peter Capaldi. I LOVED him in The Musketeers. I never liked Steven Moffet's Doctor Who because it's too dark. RTD Doctor Who had absolutely silly moments interspaced in super dark moments like this. The contrast make The Doctor more terrifying. Like this segment.
@Jon Arbuckle
@@julietfischer5056 During The Time War, they DID...and then the Daleks ret-brought-them-back, and the Lords of Gallifrey did it again, etc. etc.
Or the other way around; the Daleks prevented a race that would ally with Gallifrey against the Daleks from ever existing, and then the Time Lords undid what the Daleks changed, and the Daleks redid it, adn and and...
...and, just when it seemed like the sheer fabric of time and space would unravel, one Time Lord stopped it all...
...well, okay, a bunch of time lo- but really they were all one....I mean...
Look; it's complicated. ;)
But ANYWAYS, I had a point and it was this: when the masters of time and space feud and war and threaten to destroy it all, THIS ONE SOUL comes in and stops them. Period.
He is unimaginably powerful...and so capable of the most savage vengeance and retribution.
...and he strives to do good.
McCoy did a pretty solid job at it.
I loved this part. It was so well done and it really showed who the doctor is. He's not just a funny alien that has adventures, he is powerful and justice driven. He has very strong morals, he is serious under his layers of adorable and funny. The doctor is such a wonderfully complex character.
Sophie Scott I just got chills...
Feel like I've said this before, but since I can't find it, I'll say it again.
These episodes are great for two reasons.
#1. As I said before, Tennant's range is on full display here. He perfectly plays the "human" and The Doctor perfectly. And the story really allowed him to flex those muscles a bit.
#2. It keeps to the 10th Doctor's "no second chances" identity that he adopted back in "The Christmas Invasion". He gave these aliens a chance to walk away by becoming human, and when they didn't, he did what he does best.
I know I've said this before, but I'll say it again. Paul Cornell HAS to write for the show again.
He should be head writer.
+Conor Brennan we said that about Moffat, so let's not. Being a head writer appears to ruin the best.
ilovecomputers
He should write more episodes then?
Honestly this was just trying to be dark and edgy. Its so out of character especially for the Tenth Doctor. It was unnecessary cruelty rather than something that needed to be done. If they wanted to go this route then they needed to make it the only way or actually have the villains do something truly horrific. These villains did very little damage in comparison to ones that the Doctor has shown mercy for.
I want this kind of writing again! This was deep, profound writing that touched the soul. It was intelligent, and painful and wonderful and all those little insignificant things that make simply being alive the most wonderful thing in the world. And then it ended, and all the days in the sun faded to ash in the face of agonising stupidity and relentless incompetence. My dear love is the worst kind of dead, the kind that walks and talks and breathes and apparently still exists and only those who knew him, really knew him when he was.. him, could understand why it is I weep where others dance.
I guess a little more of these kinds of episodes would be good but is it were every episode, it'd just get so boring and repetitive and there would be no other plots that could be 'soul touching'
Russell T. Davies is reportedly returning to DOCTOR WHO in 2015 (to write two scripts). Perhaps, since Steven Moffat hints at his own time coming to an end and there isn't an expected successor, they're trying to get Davies to return? Who knows? It's an exciting idea.
Also apparently one direction is going to be on it (cringe) that will just make other people want to watch it for all the wrong reasons
Savannah Egerton lol where did you even get that from
chicmix Facebook, apparently.
This was the episode that let us know just how dangerous the Doctor could truly be when his hand is forced.
The Family wanted to live forever, the Doctor granted their wish....
You don't want to mess with someone who can casually control all of time and space. He doesn't do it often. When he does it frightens even him. For what he knows he will become (the Valeyard. The Dream Master. The Oncoming Storm). But... demons run....
Why, why this doctor, who had fought gods and demons, run away from us. Then I realized, he was being kind.
Best. Line. Ever.
“But you...?! You're one... little... man!”
"No, not a man. Not a human being. I am a complex space-time event. I am Lord President of Gallifrey. The Traveller from Beyond Time. I am the Sandman! The Oncoming _Storm!_ I am the Ka Faraq Gatri; _Destroyer of Worlds!_ And sometimes... only sometimes, _I. Am. Your. Worst. Nightmare!_ ...I am the Doctor, and I take care of my friends."
This from something in particular?
From Big Finish story Afterlife, with the Seventh Doctor.
Man, that is scary.
I love that quote. It's awesome
oooh, so that is where the "oncoming storm" comes from.. i have only watched new doctor who and that oncoming storm always gets to me, i dont seem to remember exactly what season but it was amazing
When Doctor who had some great writers. They always kept the perspective with the bigger picture in which the doctor is truly faced with. The scene here his face with a small amount of regret is powerful. A dark side tapped into him which he dare not go.