For those who didn't get it, this is one of those classic Sopranos scenes where a great deal was said without the characters saying much. Tony was trying to see if he could score some speed off of Meadow.
Meadow and AJ represent the two-halves of Tony's personality. He is likeable, intelligent, sociable and capable (Meadow). But also depressed about life, apathetic and has no sense of direction (AJ).
When Meadow asks Tony why you're sitting in the dark and he replies I don't know, I like the dark. It totally fits his character and psychological state in this beautiful scene.
I think the light switch from light to dark when Meadow turns the lights back off is one of the most magnificent changes of scenery in TV history. The way the darkness fills the room and you see Tony holding his drink is so symbolic. It shows the contrast between light and dark and how everyone can be a hypocrite. The way Meadow says the word "dad" is profound too. The way she comes downstairs and says "online". The word online had so much meaning, the writers really were geniuses! Amazing.
The word "hypocrite" originates from the Greek word "hypokrites" which means "an actor" or "a stage player". Hypokrites is actually comprised of the Greek prefix "hypo" meaning "under" and the verb "krinein" meaning "to sift or decide". Translated literally into English the word means "an interpreter from underneath". Actors in ancient Greek theater wore large masks to indicate which character they were playing, so they "interpreted" their character and story from underneath the mask. The word was adopted through medieval French, in religious texts, and eventually in English, where it evolved into its contemporary meaning "one who does not have the makings of a varsity athlete."
Meadow is definitely more Tony than Carmella for sure. But she's also a lot smarter than the both of them as well. That's why I love her character and would love to see what happens later in her life.
I think this is why they can bring her back...trying to be the first lady boss. She's the only one to survive the ending. All she has is that raging temper and need for revenge.
Love this scene. Everyone’s talking about Meadow running off from the convo and being ungrateful, but she knew he was drunk and rambling. Plus he was starting to get real and deep and this was when Meadow was trying to still be oblivious to who Tony was and the life they lived.
@@NUS01 it’s different though because he brought it up and he’s saying he does it all for her. So now she’s thinking about all the things she thinks he does and that he does all these awful things for her. It hits different and it’s unsettling that why she runs away from the conversation.
Haha yeah, I remember the very first time I went online, it was 1997 and the first thing I did was find a chat room because that was the only thing I knew you could do on the internet that interested me. Technically the first web page I visited was (I think) altavista.com, a search engine, to go find a chat room, google didn't exist back then.
@@flybeep1661 He's in his fuckin' underwear wasting his time in some chit-chat room, going back and forth with some other fuckin' jerk off. giggling like a schoolgirl
I have daughters. This scene hits me. Fathers aren’t perfect, but they try. A daughter represents the undamaged part of a man’s soul. Pure love. All he wanted in this scene was for her to realize that he’d do anything for her.
Undamaged part of a man's soul? Sorry, sport. Your daughters are their own people with their own souls, undamaged or otherwise. Thinking of them as a representative of yourself is how Livia Sopranos are created. She never wanted her children to have goals, desires (souls?) separate from her own. What's worse you're attaching your girls' identities to a masculinized idealization of femininity. It might feel good when you're drunk and being nostalgic, but you're setting all of you up for quite a few disappointments. Fortunately for this story, Tony gave all that BS up once he realized that having a powerful daughter was better for both his families than woman representing his soul blah, blah, blah.
@@ajae... This scene had absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH POWER. It was about a man showing his vulnerability and love for his daughter. Staying up late because he was worried about HER, even with all the shit he has to deal with on an everyday basis, everything he does in life is for HER. Above Carmela, AJ, everyone.
@@thenationalradar8355 That scene had nothing to do with DAUGHTERS. Tony said HE DID EVERYTHING FOR MEADOW "and your BROTHER " meaning his SON AS WELL. It was a scene about his RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS CHILDREN. As for POWER, Tony openly said that MEADOW IS "all me," and he definitely considers himself to be A POWERFUL PERSON. And juxtaposed that with CARMELA being the FEMININE IDEAL AND Meadow's presumed natural role model. However, AS the story progressed TONY struggled with his daughter and not HIS SON being the ONE to POSSIBLY follow in his footsteps until FINALLY she demonstrated that she was MORE than capable. ASIDE FROM parallel parking, that is (maybe that was SHOWING that she also inherited his incredible LUCK). The CLEAN whistle of your mansoul INTERPRETATION WAS all you. ps. As you can SEE, ALL caps IS SILLY, ANNOYING, and unnecessary.
Also Galdolfini was great. He could light up with screen with a smile, but terrify with his fury. All in the eyes. He needn't say a word at times, like Gary Cooper.
@Mister Guy Noo- What the fuck, Mister Guy! Did you even hear what Chicken man had to say? It's like half of this fucking family is blabbering without listening to any side!
No one ever notice how close Tony and Meadow were. Meadow was more like Tony than AJ was. She was dominant, assertive, intelligent, stubborn, strong willed, and etc... AJ was more like Carmella spoiled, selfish, naive, pessimistic, felt entitled to everything and etc..
great post ..I agree bro...but I thought Meadow should've sat down & really talked to her dad and thanked him for everything .She wants to go on fkn online instead of having a great moment with her loving Dad !
Thanks bro and yea Meadow could have stayed and bonded with her father but I guess since Tony was drunk she wasnt taking him seriously which is messed up. This was one of those scenes where Tony was actually letting out alot of his emotions and if Meadow had stayed and had a moment there she might have appreciated him more
you are right ...I think when she saw he was drunk she didn't want to deal with him but with that said he wasn't belligerent he was really sincere and loving . She missed a great chance to bond with her Dad !
I think that she is always aware that if she ever opens up to his dad, she would be sucked in to his world, because they are too close. Remember when she wanted to go to europe and Tony told her to ask him anything, and she changed the subject. She knows everything that goes on, but tries to stay away. Thats the tragedy. She loves and knows her dad more than anyone else in the world, and that's exactly why she tries to stay away. Because she is smart. That's also why Tony lets her go every time. Tragic stuff indeed.
RB2331 Her reaction was what makes the show so great. It was realistic. Did you ever deal with a parent, or anyone wanting to talk when they're drunk and you aren't? It wasn't "Growing Pains" or "Family Ties." She acted realistically. She didn't say much, but her "Sometimes, we're all hypocrites" said more than some saccharine tripe spewed on sitcoms. And he appreciated it. They both knew they were very alike.
Before taking another drink, Tony stared at the portly youth like a bug. "AJ. You know I like you. Right?" "Yeah," AJ mumbled, staring at the floor awkwardly. Instead of continuing the conversation, Tony stared in disgust as AJ waddled to the freezer to get ice cream before leaving the room.
Yep. She was always a self-centered, narcissistic sociopath with possible psychopathic tendencies. Hot headed, jealous and controlling. Yep. I can definitely see the resemblance.
@@hopoff9968 I wont speak to the terms used in the original comment, but she definitely becomes blinded by the plight of the mob attire. It goes so far for her, that she hides behind racist stereotypes of Italian-Americans.
As someone who has a daughter, this scene brings me to tears. Under the surface, Tony and Meadow have the most honest and loving relationship in the family.
Yes. I also have a daughter, and the love between them is palpable. Makes me tear up as well. Remember, it was also Meadow's voice that brought Tony back from the dead.
i love this scene, he’s like a little kid sitting there smiling just excited he got the chance to talk to her that night, she was in her typical teenage phase and he understood that, meadow was his favorite person in the world.
It's almost impossible (well it IS impossible these days) just to be alive and not be a hypocrite. EVERYONE is a hypocrite is some way, form, or fashion, just to different extremes..........
Absolutely. Mine is 9. She owns me. There's another scene later in this series when Johnnie Sac is arrested after his daughter's wedding and she witnesses him being cuffed, he just starts balling uncontrollably. That's the equivalent to this scene. And even then, Tony checks Phil Leotardo who criticizes Sac for crying...Tony tells him, "When it comes to Daughter's...All bets are off."
Yea but at the same time, what message does it send when you tell that daughter, "All the thoughtless violence I do, its for you". Its almost like trying to shirk the responsibility of what he does, like if you and your brother didnt exist, I wouldn't have to do this. Of couse, thats not what he meant. But to a teen/young adult, who knows what he's up to to some extent, it can definitely be interpreted in more ways than the way he wants it to be.
It was always realistically tragic how these two intentionally created walls between each other simply bcuz, as Tony states, they're both exactly alike...two hard-headed , anti-authoritarian, never surrender, nastily stubborn, tough on the outside but super soft and emotionally vulnerable; unable to take criticism, insulted and offended when it's offered but deeply emotionally tied to those they love... Had meadow been a boy she would've been Tony, Jr in every respect... It's kinda sad the show never explored their relationship more...but not due to some inability of the writers but more so the opposite bcuz it would NOT have been true to who the characters were
Playing a realistic drunk is incredibly difficult. It's very easy to over-do and come across as a caricature. Gandolfini, of course, does an amazing job. I think if push came to shove, Tony was capable of murdering just about everyone on the show, maybe even Carmela and AJ. But not Meadow.
Classic. Going to the fridge at night to eat all the good stuff, but than there is a parent so you pretend you went all the way downstairs for a tiny amount of orange juice.
He's drunk, they've had this convo a hundred times. Hearing "I love you" only when they've been drinking IS heartbreaking, but not because of the kid's deaf ears...
You completely misunderstood this scene, dummy, the reason she left was because he was drunk and his message was delivered anyway. There was absolutely zero point in her staying and trying to communicate back, because again, he was drunk and it was already a sweet moment.
This scene always reminds me of my dad. Now as an adult, I occasionally sit down, drink, and just talk for hours and hours about random shit. He's always been kind of a closed off guy, but when he drinks it opens him up and makes him more sincere and honest. It can also get kind of awkward like Meadow shows in this scene, but it's still an amazing feeling hearing one of your parents tell you how much they mean to you. I'll cherish those moments for the rest of my life. Love you Dad
That’s a beautiful scene. I felt Tony wanted to reveal his soul to her if she would have just listened. With all his flaws we pull for Tony. He’s the bad guy but he’s our flawed hero.
Imagine Tony, drunk out in public in a restaurant, doing his own version of the scene from SCARFACE: "You need people like me. So you can point your fuckin' finger and say, 'There's the bad guy!'" That'd be fucking hilarious.
@@DiegoBuitrago-om2zoRight? People seem to forget this is the very same episode where, with glee, Tony spells out to David Scatino that his store will be busted out and how this is his bread and butter. “Flawed hero”? No. Tony is a deplorable human being and no amount of sweet moments with Meadow or anybody for that matter will absolve him of his actions that we’ve seen in just the series.
A beautiful scene. If things could have been different, Meadow could have taken over for Tony. Deep down, Tony knew that AJ wasn't cut out for the life. Meadow also knew how to call Tony out on his BS. Deep down, Tony knew his daughter was his equal. In this scene he recognizes that.
I feel Tony recognized Meadow as his equal in the College episode when she presses him asking if he’s in the mafia. The way she saw everything is key to why Tony loves her so much.
I think this scene tugs at the heart strings because we recognize it from our own lives. I've had a moment like this with my dad. It doesn't happen often, and it's very precious. Especially if you have a difficult relationship with your dad.
This is amongst the most moving performances I've ever seen. I can't put my finger on exactly what makes it so powerful and beautiful. Like other rare things at the highest level of these qualities - it just is!
Meadow was just an overspoilt little bitch who like most spoilt daughters knew how to make her dad feel like shit even though he would go to the end of earth 4 her it would never be enough
The irony that she couldn’t wait to leave to go to a ‘chat room’ and ‘talk’ to strangers -when all he wanted was to talk to…TRULY talk to…his own daughter.
The scene starting with Meadow opening the fridge for food is intentional as this is what Tony does the most out of anyone in the house. It's a subtle hint that she's like him. Her running away from a deep bonding moment with her dad to avoid being vulnerable also makes us reminisce about the many times Tony stormed off Melfi's office to avoid a revelation or a moment of vulnerability because he either didn't want to or couldn't afford to at the time. Just my observation.
@@DanJuega The idea of Tony dying over the onion rings doesn’t bother me, in fact I think Tony dying is how the show should have ended, but I still don’t get that out of the final scene no matter how many times I watch it or how many synopses I read.
My Dad would sometimes have a few too many beers with his old Army buddy and let his guard down, talking to me like this. I knew he was tipsy, but I also knew he meant every word he said. He was never the lovey-dovey type but rather the tough love type.
Meadow is probably the only person on the planet that doesn’t have to worry about Tony Soprano asking them to “sit down” in the middle of the night in a dark kitchen…while drinking lol
The lie. It is always the same lie: All I do, I do for the family. These crazy sociopaths. Same with Walter White. But: He admits it in the end which is one of the best scenes in tv history.
Breaking bad is a somewhat good series but it fails to tackle the real psychology behind criminals reducing them down to caricatures you want to believe the "greatest line in tv history" but its really not even true its just what you suburban goodie toshoes wanna hear but reality is different reality is complex people have a multitude of reasons for why they do what they do to discount someones desire to provide for their family and give them a better life with better prospects and opportunities is very dim and the annoying thing is people like you apply that good and evil view point only on certain people, you good very well argue a war profiteer is far more evil that a tony soprano and even more sociopathic but I guess they get a pass because they operate in the grey
One of many times Tony seeks approval from Meadow, and he always goes to her not the other way around. Probably the only person in the world he's willing to humble himself to.
Tony and Meadow's relationship was always the height of the show for me. Tony imprints his values on both his children and Meadow understands who her Tony really is deep down as a family man. That's why I love the ending of the show so much. We're waiting for Meadow to hurry up and join the family dinner just as much as Tony.
I remember these days fondly. There was my mom, making us dinner while humming. My dad was smoking a pipe, carving wood and listening to the radio. There was lil' ol' me, watching doe-eyed and flabbergasted as Tony Soprano breathed heavily and nasally. Whenever Tony had to take out a rat or smack the shit out of someone owing him money, I could catch a special hopeful glimpse in my devoted Christian parents' eyes. We would all gather around the television and watch the Sopranos provide us with wholesome family entertainment. Alas, those days are gone.
“Sometimes, we’re all hypocrites”. Meadow single-handedly using one sentence showed Tony that she was not just any shinebox. She was an understanding shinebox.
I love how most of the comments here are backing up his love for Meadow. He loved her very much. It makes the final scene all the more poignant when she's the last thing he ever sets his eyes on.
@@evilubuntu9001 Yah, say that to the Godmother of Naples, Maria Licciardi. Just because you don't have a dick, does not mean you can't rule. Even the Romans and Spartans relied on council from their wifes.
Nothing about her said gangster. She was a bleeding heart liberal wanting to help minorities and save the world. Now Tony's mah. I must admit, if she was born after that womans lib crap, she would have been the shine box.
This scene hits close to home to all of us troubled dads with kids. Dads like us who love our little girls, dads who make mistakes and try as hard as we can to do the right things despite our failings. And all we can do in the end is try to convey to them how nothing else really matters to us in the world. In the end, everything we do is for our children. Of course, the booze really brings it out with sentimental intensity. Gandolfini and the script writers here bang it out of the park.
This scene is why writers write...why they create TV shows or movies or plays or novels. Because largely, we NEVER get to experience a scene where our parent tells us that they love us, and that we matter, and they've done everything for US. And the need for this experience is SO great, that we fantasize about it...and then decide to invent it. A lovely piece of fiction, nonetheless:)
I always tell my daughter's how much I love them and what they mean to me.Tony was Right at Johnny sacks daughter's wedding."when it comes to daughter's all bets are off"!
@@Jamie-kv9eg bruh he was drunk lmao. i grew up with an alcholic father who did this exact shit 😂 then when he got sober back to being a shitty person as usual.
dirty dan What are you talking about? you said she didn’t let him finish because she knew it was all bullshit to begin with but nothing tony was saying was bullshit. You can argue he was talking some shit when he said everything he does is for his kids, but ultimately that’s why tony does the majority of the stuff he does during the show, not only because he somewhat enjoys it, but because it pays for him and his family. She left because she was quite clearly uncomfortable. Just because he was drunk doesn’t mean he was talking shit, it can have the opposite affect as it did here were he was actually trying to open up a little. He wasn’t trying to convince her he’s a nice guy.
It's crazy how in the early seasons you'd think Meadow would end up as the out of control daughter and AJ would straighten out and be more like his dad and the opposite happens. Meadow becomes more mature as the seasons went on and AJ became out of control.
I remember wanting their conversation to continue but, looking back on it now, I think they did that scene right - classic case of less is more... Beautiful melancholia.. It really tore into me for the very last scene of the Sopranos in the diner, the last thing Tony sees before he was clipped was Meadow walking through the door... Then lights out.... David Chase really tied it all together.
This is a really late comment but I have to leave one. I recently lost a relationship and kids who were very important to me. I still keep them in my life but I feel they are slipping away. I try to have this kind of heart to heart with them and apologize for messing things up. It kind of goes the same way. I do think they get the idea and understand what I am saying.
He likes the dark because it conceals. The details are hidden and faces obscured. Plus it helps with performing crimes, lolololololololol! F*cking bought cheap whisky cuz I can't afford the good sh*t like Tony. BLAAAAAAA!
JL Sigler is a terrific actress. She really did a fantastic job on the Sopranos ! Really captured the complexity of the father - daughter relationship. Would love to see her in other tv series.
Let that be a lesson to all those living with a sociopath. Sometimes they can charm you into feeling like they are loving caring people, but in the end their true nature always comes out.
Most definitely. This early in the show she was always skeptical of her dads line of work. How the people she calls uncles aren’t even her real uncles. How they live in a huge house and her mother never works. She really didn’t accept nor wanted to know the fact that her dad was a mobster. At first she didn’t want to believe that she was like him because of matter. But when she told him that “we’re all hypocrites” that was the beginning stage of acceptance. And as the series progresses Tony was right about her being just like him.
@@gtxx6699 sometimes that's the only thing that will lower inhibitions and let their guard down. Speak truth from the heart because it's too hard to be vulnerable
For those who didn't get it, this is one of those classic Sopranos scenes where a great deal was said without the characters saying much. Tony was trying to see if he could score some speed off of Meadow.
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Underrated comment. 😂
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"You're like me." First thing she does when she gets to the fridge is get orange juice.
But was it with 'shum' pulp?
@@ennuiblue4295 nah chrishtufah drank it all with the lo mein
@@ennuiblue4295 🤣🤣🤣
@@ennuiblue4295 lesh pulp
Meadow and AJ represent the two-halves of Tony's personality. He is likeable, intelligent, sociable and capable (Meadow). But also depressed about life, apathetic and has no sense of direction (AJ).
hmm...🤔🤔👍
Good point, Dave 👍
Wow that’s a great observation. Never thought of that
Meadow wasn’t that likeable at all. She was pretentious and arrogant at times, and condescending. She could also be pretty lazy herself too.
@@ronoccc true..🤔
When Meadow asks Tony why you're sitting in the dark and he replies I don't know, I like the dark. It totally fits his character and psychological state in this beautiful scene.
"I Don't Know I Like The Dark"
I think the light switch from light to dark when Meadow turns the lights back off is one of the most magnificent changes of scenery in TV history. The way the darkness fills the room and you see Tony holding his drink is so symbolic. It shows the contrast between light and dark and how everyone can be a hypocrite. The way Meadow says the word "dad" is profound too. The way she comes downstairs and says "online". The word online had so much meaning, the writers really were geniuses! Amazing.
I like the dark...It's calming.
California Dude Tony is really messed up because of his mother. Liv Soprano was a sociopathic and narcissistic monster.
It's a TV show.
This is a powerful scene, he is dark, his life is dark, but meadow his daughter is the light... this scene is so deep on many levels
Carmine, did you have any recents flicks made under your subspecies ?
@@naylik2562 I'm glad you caught me naylik, very observant.
It’s very allegorical
Very observant, the sacred and the propane.
Meadow was the only person in the world who Tony loved unconditionally, not even Christopher or AJ.
You're forgetting someone...
D'Ascoyne definitely wasn't Christopher he killed or AJ who was always going through phases
+Tabithia Moore Not what I meant. There is another he loved more.
D'Ascoyne I don't think so, Meadow was it. Definitely wasn't himself, he'd jump into the fire for her.
+Tabithia Moore I doubt it. Too much of a narcissist and psycho to do anything like that.
The word "hypocrite" originates from the Greek word "hypokrites" which means "an actor" or "a stage player". Hypokrites is actually comprised of the Greek prefix "hypo" meaning "under" and the verb "krinein" meaning "to sift or decide". Translated literally into English the word means "an interpreter from underneath". Actors in ancient Greek theater wore large masks to indicate which character they were playing, so they "interpreted" their character and story from underneath the mask. The word was adopted through medieval French, in religious texts, and eventually in English, where it evolved into its contemporary meaning "one who does not have the makings of a varsity athlete."
Or wearing a mask to hide their true identity. And I was a varsity athlete.
Fabulous....😂
Underrated😂😂
Anyway, $4 a pound.
beautifully described etymology! thanks!
God this is such a powerful scene. This only makes me miss James even more.
R.I.P Jimmy
Lad they're all was powerful scene.
Yep
He's da father we neva had
Best character of all time. This show has so many levels that people don’t even understand. The GOAT Tony Soprano.
“You know, I tell people that you’re just like your mother. But you’re all me.”
Meadow’s face: *You* *take* *that* *back*
She’s closer to Tony and not by a big margin but definitely
Meadow is definitely more Tony than Carmella for sure. But she's also a lot smarter than the both of them as well. That's why I love her character and would love to see what happens later in her life.
@@athens31415 lol @ smarter. She's full of shit. A pretentious brat.
@@VCthaGOATdunker both true
I think this is why they can bring her back...trying to be the first lady boss. She's the only one to survive the ending. All she has is that raging temper and need for revenge.
Love this scene. Everyone’s talking about Meadow running off from the convo and being ungrateful, but she knew he was drunk and rambling. Plus he was starting to get real and deep and this was when Meadow was trying to
still be oblivious to who Tony was and the life they lived.
she knew who Tony was in Season 1 episode 1 when she was about 12 in the show, this is 5 years later
@@NUS01 tony never talked about it, and she realizes why, and in one sense or another doesnt want to hear him talk about it
@@NUS01 it’s different though because he brought it up and he’s saying he does it all for her. So now she’s thinking about all the things she thinks he does and that he does all these awful things for her. It hits different and it’s unsettling that why she runs away from the conversation.
@@quikdeath100 Also because she’s a spoiled brat
She didn’t want him to tell her anything that when he sobered up he’d have to wack her
"Chat rooms"
Ahh the late 90s early 00s were good times.
Haha yeah, I remember the very first time I went online, it was 1997 and the first thing I did was find a chat room because that was the only thing I knew you could do on the internet that interested me. Technically the first web page I visited was (I think) altavista.com, a search engine, to go find a chat room, google didn't exist back then.
The birth of lol and lmao
@@flybeep1661 He's in his fuckin' underwear wasting his time in some chit-chat room, going back and forth with some other fuckin' jerk off. giggling like a schoolgirl
It's the mother of social media.
join my discord
Little Carmine: Sometimes we're all hippocratic.
Hahahaha
Very allegorical.
All of this is a DEBacle.
reason being we try to Fool Dee Eye
😂😂 you fucking killed me 😂😂
I have daughters. This scene hits me. Fathers aren’t perfect, but they try. A daughter represents the undamaged part of a man’s soul. Pure love. All he wanted in this scene was for her to realize that he’d do anything for her.
Well put brother. That’s how I feel too I got 3 girls
I'm the only child and a male, so I guess my father is black all over.
Undamaged part of a man's soul? Sorry, sport. Your daughters are their own people with their own souls, undamaged or otherwise. Thinking of them as a representative of yourself is how Livia Sopranos are created. She never wanted her children to have goals, desires (souls?) separate from her own. What's worse you're attaching your girls' identities to a masculinized idealization of femininity. It might feel good when you're drunk and being nostalgic, but you're setting all of you up for quite a few disappointments. Fortunately for this story, Tony gave all that BS up once he realized that having a powerful daughter was better for both his families than woman representing his soul blah, blah, blah.
@@ajae... This scene had absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH POWER. It was about a man showing his vulnerability and love for his daughter. Staying up late because he was worried about HER, even with all the shit he has to deal with on an everyday basis, everything he does in life is for HER. Above Carmela, AJ, everyone.
@@thenationalradar8355 That scene had nothing to do with DAUGHTERS. Tony said HE DID EVERYTHING FOR MEADOW "and your BROTHER " meaning his SON AS WELL. It was a scene about his RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS CHILDREN. As for POWER, Tony openly said that MEADOW IS "all me," and he definitely considers himself to be A POWERFUL PERSON. And juxtaposed that with CARMELA being the FEMININE IDEAL AND Meadow's presumed natural role model. However, AS the story progressed TONY struggled with his daughter and not HIS SON being the ONE to POSSIBLY follow in his footsteps until FINALLY she demonstrated that she was MORE than capable. ASIDE FROM parallel parking, that is (maybe that was SHOWING that she also inherited his incredible LUCK). The CLEAN whistle of your mansoul INTERPRETATION WAS all you.
ps. As you can SEE, ALL caps IS SILLY, ANNOYING, and unnecessary.
Also Galdolfini was great. He could light up with screen with a smile, but terrify with his fury. All in the eyes. He needn't say a word at times, like Gary Cooper.
Hey, whatever happened to guys like Gary Cooper? You know. The strong silent type.
@Mister Guy Noo- What the fuck, Mister Guy! Did you even hear what Chicken man had to say? It's like half of this fucking family is blabbering without listening to any side!
@Mister Guy NOOOO
@@DutchKidRanger You didn't hear Gary Cooper complain he's a victim because he's a gay, Irish guy from Texas.
He was gay Gary Cooper?
No one ever notice how close Tony and Meadow were. Meadow was more like Tony than AJ was. She was dominant, assertive, intelligent, stubborn, strong willed, and etc... AJ was more like Carmella spoiled, selfish, naive, pessimistic, felt entitled to everything and etc..
great post ..I agree bro...but I thought Meadow should've sat down & really talked to her dad and thanked him for everything .She wants to go on fkn online instead of having a great moment with her loving Dad !
Thanks bro and yea Meadow could have stayed and bonded with her father but I guess since Tony was drunk she wasnt taking him seriously which is messed up. This was one of those scenes where Tony was actually letting out alot of his emotions and if Meadow had stayed and had a moment there she might have appreciated him more
you are right ...I think when she saw he was drunk she didn't want to deal with him but with that said he wasn't belligerent he was really sincere and loving . She missed a great chance to bond with her Dad !
I think that she is always aware that if she ever opens up to his dad, she would be sucked in to his world, because they are too close. Remember when she wanted to go to europe and Tony told her to ask him anything, and she changed the subject. She knows everything that goes on, but tries to stay away. Thats the tragedy. She loves and knows her dad more than anyone else in the world, and that's exactly why she tries to stay away. Because she is smart.
That's also why Tony lets her go every time.
Tragic stuff indeed.
RB2331 Her reaction was what makes the show so great. It was realistic. Did you ever deal with a parent, or anyone wanting to talk when they're drunk and you aren't? It wasn't "Growing Pains" or "Family Ties." She acted realistically. She didn't say much, but her "Sometimes, we're all hypocrites" said more than some saccharine tripe spewed on sitcoms. And he appreciated it. They both knew they were very alike.
Jamie and James act so well together, I truly feel the father daughter connection with their scenes. This scene is a fav of mine.
AJ was remarkable in this scene.
@sum body I didn't see AJ.
TraumaER exactly
You ain’t lyin 😂
Before taking another drink, Tony stared at the portly youth like a bug. "AJ. You know I like you. Right?"
"Yeah," AJ mumbled, staring at the floor awkwardly. Instead of continuing the conversation, Tony stared in disgust as AJ waddled to the freezer to get ice cream before leaving the room.
@@otomicans6580 Perfect. Beautiful.
Meadow definitely took after her dad.
Yep. She was always a self-centered, narcissistic sociopath with possible psychopathic tendencies. Hot headed, jealous and controlling. Yep. I can definitely see the resemblance.
cocokai Sarcasm or nah?
@@TTUploads Definitely sarcasm, but she did take after her father more than mother.
They were both brought up by the poverty of the mezzogiorno
@@hopoff9968 I wont speak to the terms used in the original comment, but she definitely becomes blinded by the plight of the mob attire. It goes so far for her, that she hides behind racist stereotypes of Italian-Americans.
As someone who has a daughter, this scene brings me to tears. Under the surface, Tony and Meadow have the most honest and loving relationship in the family.
Yes. I also have a daughter, and the love between them is palpable. Makes me tear up as well. Remember, it was also Meadow's voice that brought Tony back from the dead.
They're most alike
i love this scene, he’s like a little kid sitting there smiling just excited he got the chance to talk to her that night, she was in her typical teenage phase and he understood that, meadow was his favorite person in the world.
Weird that Sigler now same age as Gandolfini at start of Sopranos. Circle of life is short! 🤔
damn thats crazy lol
It's not weird that we age, his absence for such a long time is the weird part
And now she has multiple sclerosis, life is very short
@@thomasjust2663 yeah sick lady now with young children! Take nothing for granted & enjoy your family and friends! ✌️
@The Saint ST1 Yes it's very true and it's very sad
"Sometimes, we're all hypocrites."
Yep. All we can do is make a conscious effort to be less of one.
could also try refraining from killing people.
TheSealOfTheRose What's the fun in that? Then this show would have just been "Fortysomething."
ha
It's almost impossible (well it IS impossible these days) just to be alive and not be a hypocrite.
EVERYONE is a hypocrite is some way, form, or fashion, just to different extremes..........
If you’re a father who really loves his daughter more than anyone or anything else in the world you’ll understand this scene
I am, and I do.
Absolutely. Mine is 9. She owns me. There's another scene later in this series when Johnnie Sac is arrested after his daughter's wedding and she witnesses him being cuffed, he just starts balling uncontrollably. That's the equivalent to this scene. And even then, Tony checks Phil Leotardo who criticizes Sac for crying...Tony tells him, "When it comes to Daughter's...All bets are off."
@@leesmith6866 and they know it.
Yea but at the same time, what message does it send when you tell that daughter, "All the thoughtless violence I do, its for you". Its almost like trying to shirk the responsibility of what he does, like if you and your brother didnt exist, I wouldn't have to do this.
Of couse, thats not what he meant. But to a teen/young adult, who knows what he's up to to some extent, it can definitely be interpreted in more ways than the way he wants it to be.
I remember my mother having these " drunk talks " with me where I tried to avoid them but couldn't lol
My dad does that
Ull regret it later on
cringe
@@kdkxt7895 people being Ernest isn’t cringe you’re just afraid of emotions
I also had these with my dad
Very realistic and natural drunk-acting. Not very easy to do.
It was always realistically tragic how these two intentionally created walls between each other simply bcuz, as Tony states, they're both exactly alike...two hard-headed , anti-authoritarian, never surrender, nastily stubborn, tough on the outside but super soft and emotionally vulnerable; unable to take criticism, insulted and offended when it's offered but deeply emotionally tied to those they love... Had meadow been a boy she would've been Tony, Jr in every respect... It's kinda sad the show never explored their relationship more...but not due to some inability of the writers but more so the opposite bcuz it would NOT have been true to who the characters were
couldnt agree more!
Playing a realistic drunk is incredibly difficult. It's very easy to over-do and come across as a caricature. Gandolfini, of course, does an amazing job.
I think if push came to shove, Tony was capable of murdering just about everyone on the show, maybe even Carmela and AJ. But not Meadow.
+James Kennedy I wouldn't be sure about that.
Carmela, maybe.
But his kids? No. Never.
+John Doe I don't know about that ...
+John Doe He came close to hurting AJ on a few occasions. One loss of control and that little idiot would have been toast.
+Gary Verderamo He also came close to attacking Meadow at Jackie jr. funeral.
Classic. Going to the fridge at night to eat all the good stuff, but than there is a parent so you pretend you went all the way downstairs for a tiny amount of orange juice.
It will always break my heart, regardless of circumstance, to see a father trying to speak to his children with only deaf ears listening.
He's drunk, they've had this convo a hundred times. Hearing "I love you" only when they've been drinking IS heartbreaking, but not because of the kid's deaf ears...
Breaks a girls heart when your dad can only talk to you when he's drunk af
In vino veritas
You completely misunderstood this scene, dummy, the reason she left was because he was drunk and his message was delivered anyway. There was absolutely zero point in her staying and trying to communicate back, because again, he was drunk and it was already a sweet moment.
@@bellablow4287 Tony Soprano talks to his daughter all the time in that show, and has quite a loving relationship with her.
"Sometimes we're all hypocrites" that's truly a powerful statement. and yet so true
My favourite line in the whole series and true of all life.
Dads and their daughters ❤
Meadow evolves into an a unapologetic one.
This scene always reminds me of my dad. Now as an adult, I occasionally sit down, drink, and just talk for hours and hours about random shit. He's always been kind of a closed off guy, but when he drinks it opens him up and makes him more sincere and honest. It can also get kind of awkward like Meadow shows in this scene, but it's still an amazing feeling hearing one of your parents tell you how much they mean to you. I'll cherish those moments for the rest of my life.
Love you Dad
Sometimes, we're all Shineboxes...
Nucky, please stop.
Nucky Mancini Sometimes, we never have the makings of a varsity athlete.
Lmao, this one caught me off guard for once
As an Italian-American I've always fantasized about polishing an Asian shine box...
👎👎👎
Scenes like this make me sad that James Gandolfini died so young.
That’s a beautiful scene. I felt Tony wanted to reveal his soul to her if she would have just listened. With all his flaws we pull for Tony. He’s the bad guy but he’s our flawed hero.
Imagine Tony, drunk out in public in a restaurant, doing his own version of the scene from SCARFACE: "You need people like me. So you can point your fuckin' finger and say, 'There's the bad guy!'" That'd be fucking hilarious.
hes a monster not even a bad guy
@@DiegoBuitrago-om2zoRight? People seem to forget this is the very same episode where, with glee, Tony spells out to David Scatino that his store will be busted out and how this is his bread and butter. “Flawed hero”? No.
Tony is a deplorable human being and no amount of sweet moments with Meadow or anybody for that matter will absolve him of his actions that we’ve seen in just the series.
A beautiful scene. If things could have been different, Meadow could have taken over for Tony. Deep down, Tony knew that AJ wasn't cut out for the life. Meadow also knew how to call Tony out on his BS. Deep down, Tony knew his daughter was his equal. In this scene he recognizes that.
A Woman boss!? It'd never happen
@@yauchy5965 in this day and age. You never know.
I feel Tony recognized Meadow as his equal in the College episode when she presses him asking if he’s in the mafia. The way she saw everything is key to why Tony loves her so much.
That was a hefty fucking drink
😂
For a hefty fuckin man. 😆
He was so good I feel like he was actually drunk for this scene. Dude was unbelievable.
Well he did have a drinking problem
Would it have killed the Princess of Little Italy to say “I love you, too, Dad?”
I think this scene tugs at the heart strings because we recognize it from our own lives. I've had a moment like this with my dad. It doesn't happen often, and it's very precious. Especially if you have a difficult relationship with your dad.
This is amongst the most moving performances I've ever seen. I can't put my finger on exactly what makes it so powerful and beautiful. Like other rare things at the highest level of these qualities - it just is!
Yes, agreed. It’s just someone sitting there in all their humanness and imperfection and asking to be loved. Nothing fancy or extra. Just is.
@@JeanineBruen My Goodness - your words match the beauty of your face😀
@@normancook965 lol down bad?
Meadow was just an overspoilt little bitch who like most spoilt daughters knew how to make her dad feel like shit even though he would go to the end of earth 4 her it would never be enough
@@mattlikeshistory6419 No, I'm happily married but do enjoy complementing women with the hope of making them feel good.
The irony that she couldn’t wait to leave to go to a ‘chat room’ and ‘talk’ to strangers -when all he wanted was to talk to…TRULY talk to…his own daughter.
The scene starting with Meadow opening the fridge for food is intentional as this is what Tony does the most out of anyone in the house. It's a subtle hint that she's like him. Her running away from a deep bonding moment with her dad to avoid being vulnerable also makes us reminisce about the many times Tony stormed off Melfi's office to avoid a revelation or a moment of vulnerability because he either didn't want to or couldn't afford to at the time. Just my observation.
A very good observation.
It makes sense now Meadow was the the last face Tony saw before he got whacked
We dont know he got killed
@@winterh46334 We do. I really don't understand people insisting on saying he didn't get his brains blown all over those onion rings lol
@@cancankr8867 I still don't believe it.
@@emprahsfinest7092 All the evidence points to him getting killed. You guys just can't deal with death or something.
@@DanJuega The idea of Tony dying over the onion rings doesn’t bother me, in fact I think Tony dying is how the show should have ended, but I still don’t get that out of the final scene no matter how many times I watch it or how many synopses I read.
I wish Daughters knew how much they mean to their Fathers... 💕
2:09 when he says "nah , I'm gonna finish my drink" notice no jersey accent , that sounded like his real accent
Funny you say that when his real accent is a Jersey accent and not some exaggerated stereotypical accent
Meadows was always Tony's favorite. He loved her more than anyone else. She was truly daddy's little girl.
My Dad would sometimes have a few too many beers with his old Army buddy and let his guard down, talking to me like this. I knew he was tipsy, but I also knew he meant every word he said. He was never the lovey-dovey type but rather the tough love type.
Meadow's beauty in the moonlight overthrew me
Hallejuah
This is maybe my favourite ever scene in Sopranos. It is heartbreaking and beautiful, and Gandolfini's acting here is superb.
Fantastic scene. I've got a 16 year old and can relate to Tony here.
Mine turned 16 this month....ditto
21 now.. congratulations, both of you!
@@whitehorse8558 Thanks!
ur still here. nice
Meadow is probably the only person on the planet that doesn’t have to worry about Tony Soprano asking them to “sit down” in the middle of the night in a dark kitchen…while drinking lol
The lie. It is always the same lie: All I do, I do for the family. These crazy sociopaths. Same with Walter White. But: He admits it in the end which is one of the best scenes in tv history.
Bet she feels secure knowing everyone he beat or murdered was for her...that's sweet!
Breaking bad is a somewhat good series but it fails to tackle the real psychology behind criminals reducing them down to caricatures you want to believe the "greatest line in tv history" but its really not even true its just what you suburban goodie toshoes wanna hear but reality is different reality is complex people have a multitude of reasons for why they do what they do to discount someones desire to provide for their family and give them a better life with better prospects and opportunities is very dim and the annoying thing is people like you apply that good and evil view point only on certain people, you good very well argue a war profiteer is far more evil that a tony soprano and even more sociopathic but I guess they get a pass because they operate in the grey
@@jorgenoname6062 Thanks for analyzing the worldview and psychology of someone you know 3 sentences from. You must be a great person to be around.
@@Nash9r hey Jorge Noname ain't no suburban goodie-two-shoes like us, he's a made guy. Probably has sit-downs all the time.
One of many times Tony seeks approval from Meadow, and he always goes to her not the other way around. Probably the only person in the world he's willing to humble himself to.
If he did get killed in the diner that night, she is gonna look back at this conversation and remember this all.
Tony and Meadow's relationship was always the height of the show for me. Tony imprints his values on both his children and Meadow understands who her Tony really is deep down as a family man. That's why I love the ending of the show so much. We're waiting for Meadow to hurry up and join the family dinner just as much as Tony.
When she cut him off to go to bed mid sentence. Oof, been there. Shit stung through the screen.
Shows like this brought the family together on those sunday nights on HBO. Good times
I remember these days fondly.
There was my mom, making us dinner while humming. My dad was smoking a pipe, carving wood and listening to the radio. There was lil' ol' me, watching doe-eyed and flabbergasted as Tony Soprano breathed heavily and nasally.
Whenever Tony had to take out a rat or smack the shit out of someone owing him money, I could catch a special hopeful glimpse in my devoted Christian parents' eyes. We would all gather around the television and watch the Sopranos provide us with wholesome family entertainment. Alas, those days are gone.
@@luqas99 People are strange, you haven't figured that out yet?
i watched the whole series with my parents. Great experience
“Sometimes, we’re all hypocrites”.
Meadow single-handedly using one sentence showed Tony that she was not just any shinebox. She was an understanding shinebox.
Tony's face when Meadow says: "Sometimes where all hypocrites, Tony's brain: She's Definitely All Me!!!
What I'd give to hear those words from my father. I'll never know what that's like and it breaks my heart.
Same hun. Same.
Next time I see my father I'll remember your comment, he's getting old and I don't know for how much longer he'll be around.
I love how most of the comments here are backing up his love for Meadow. He loved her very much. It makes the final scene all the more poignant when she's the last thing he ever sets his eyes on.
i'm stuck in an endless cycle and i can not stop. It's been weeks, send help.
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Meadow would have made a good female mobster. Much better than Lorraine.
She doesn't have a cannoli so she can't be made.
You think she'd be any good at...Who I am I kidding, you probably showed her how...
@@evilubuntu9001 Yah, say that to the Godmother of Naples, Maria Licciardi. Just because you don't have a dick, does not mean you can't rule. Even the Romans and Spartans relied on council from their wifes.
Nothing about her said gangster. She was a bleeding heart liberal wanting to help minorities and save the world. Now Tony's mah. I must admit, if she was born after that womans lib crap, she would have been the shine box.
Damn she's so easy to hate
This scene hits close to home to all of us troubled dads with kids. Dads like us who love our little girls, dads who make mistakes and try as hard as we can to do the right things despite our failings. And all we can do in the end is try to convey to them how nothing else really matters to us in the world. In the end, everything we do is for our children. Of course, the booze really brings it out with sentimental intensity. Gandolfini and the script writers here bang it out of the park.
Amen
I honestly believe that Tony loved Meadow most of all! Fathers & their daughters.. I get it. I was always closer to my old man too!
This is my fav meadow tony scene. At the end of the day, when all lights are out, that's when we are most honest with ourselves and the ones we love.
This scene is why writers write...why they create TV shows or movies or plays or novels. Because largely, we NEVER get to experience a scene where our parent tells us that they love us, and that we matter, and they've done everything for US. And the need for this experience is SO great, that we fantasize about it...and then decide to invent it. A lovely piece of fiction, nonetheless:)
I saw a porno like this once, but it ended a lot differently.
I always tell my daughter's how much I love them and what they mean to me.Tony was Right at Johnny sacks daughter's wedding."when it comes to daughter's all bets are off"!
I wish she let him finish what he was saying...
that was the point of this scene. she already knows her dad and knows its all bullshit. to top it off hes drunk lol.
dirty dan That wasn’t bullshit. If anything that was one of the very instances in which tony was brutally honest, and sadly he was cut off again.
I wish she let him finish on her face...
@@Jamie-kv9eg bruh he was drunk lmao. i grew up with an alcholic father who did this exact shit 😂 then when he got sober back to being a shitty person as usual.
dirty dan What are you talking about? you said she didn’t let him finish because she knew it was all bullshit to begin with but nothing tony was saying was bullshit. You can argue he was talking some shit when he said everything he does is for his kids, but ultimately that’s why tony does the majority of the stuff he does during the show, not only because he somewhat enjoys it, but because it pays for him and his family. She left because she was quite clearly uncomfortable. Just because he was drunk doesn’t mean he was talking shit, it can have the opposite affect as it did here were he was actually trying to open up a little. He wasn’t trying to convince her he’s a nice guy.
Gandolfini is brilliant he could portray any emotion to his character without becoming a caricature
C'mon dad I gotta get in this Backstreet Boys chatroom 😂
This is beyond words, they capture the human condition so well. Never seen something like this in a TV Show before.
totally understand the scene, because in some ways we've all been there with our daughters those who have daughters
Tony looks exactly like my father when he's drunk. The only time he allows himself to be emotionally open
It's crazy how in the early seasons you'd think Meadow would end up as the out of control daughter and AJ would straighten out and be more like his dad and the opposite happens. Meadow becomes more mature as the seasons went on and AJ became out of control.
I remember wanting their conversation to continue but, looking back on it now, I think they did that scene right - classic case of less is more... Beautiful melancholia.. It really tore into me for the very last scene of the Sopranos in the diner, the last thing Tony sees before he was clipped was Meadow walking through the door... Then lights out.... David Chase really tied it all together.
I can't imagine how horrifying that last scene was for meadow. Probably blamed herself for all eternity.
And this is one of the many reasons why The Sopranos is still the best tv series ever made.
This is a really late comment but I have to leave one. I recently lost a relationship and kids who were very important to me. I still keep them in my life but I feel they are slipping away. I try to have this kind of heart to heart with them and apologize for messing things up. It kind of goes the same way. I do think they get the idea and understand what I am saying.
Squash Head I’m there brother. All we can do is continue to show unconditional love no matter what. The children will know In the end. God bless
He likes the dark because it conceals. The details are hidden and faces obscured.
Plus it helps with performing crimes, lolololololololol!
F*cking bought cheap whisky cuz I can't afford the good sh*t like Tony. BLAAAAAAA!
"I tell people you're like your mother, but... you're all me" is one of the most underrated lines in the whole show
He told her everything he did was for her and AJ. She knew, or at least had an idea, of the things he did. Hell of a thing to put on her shoulders.
Sweet lord I long for the days of coming home at midnight, not a care in the world, other than getting in a chat room...simple times
"Chat room". Jeez I forget sometimes how long ago this was on TV.
not a beautiful scene. Meadow acted like she couldn't wait to get away from tony.
These people don't know what beautiful is if it drove its cock down their throats.
She`s a f... teenager.. of course! Great acting
If it was Aj sitting there tony probably would've said " you know I fuggin hate you right" I mean we all let out a little honesty when we're drunk.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Meadow is definitely the one Tony loves the most in his entire life.
Another great scene between them is at jonny sacs daughters wedding, when the daddy little girl song comes on and Tony gives her a look
JL Sigler is a terrific actress. She really did a fantastic job on the Sopranos ! Really captured the complexity of the father - daughter relationship. Would love to see her in other tv series.
Sometimes we're all shineboxes!
Meadow was Tonys heart. Those freaking ducks were his soul.
The scene reminds me of me and my father right after prom staying up waiting for me in the dark
Let that be a lesson to all those living with a sociopath. Sometimes they can charm you into feeling like they are loving caring people, but in the end their true nature always comes out.
Tony looks like a mob boss who is losing his shit and learning that this life isn't conducive with real happiness
You can really see how offended and pissed Meadow got when Tony said "you're all me"
Most definitely. This early in the show she was always skeptical of her dads line of work. How the people she calls uncles aren’t even her real uncles. How they live in a huge house and her mother never works. She really didn’t accept nor wanted to know the fact that her dad was a mobster. At first she didn’t want to believe that she was like him because of matter. But when she told him that “we’re all hypocrites” that was the beginning stage of acceptance. And as the series progresses Tony was right about her being just like him.
Man I miss James Gandolfini.... RIP
me too 😭😭
I think Tony was really wanting to talk to his daughter..he seemed on the verge of tears. Maybe that's why?
Meadow was the Queen Bee. Took her a while to figure it out though.
A drunk father talking to his daughter
About as far from beautiful as one can imagine
Lmao fathers usually express their love better when they are tipsy. It is beautiful.
omg he's DRUNK!!!
A drunk father talking to his son can be even a little further from beautiful.
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@@gtxx6699 sometimes that's the only thing that will lower inhibitions and let their guard down. Speak truth from the heart because it's too hard to be vulnerable
these are conversations that at the time don't mean much to you but when your older and that parent is gone you never forget