Actually sums up Tony’s morality pretty well, he normalized the environment that got Tracie killed. But the mere thought of the exact same thing happening to Meadow makes him tear up. Then of course he does nothing to change.
@@molasorrosalom4846 you change when you hit the bottom, like Michael Corleone. Of course it's not instantaneous, it could take years, but there's always a point in which you realize that's not the life you wanted, and Tony got the signals many times
Tracie's sincerity, youth and beauty touched Tony's heart, and he viewed her in a similar light in which he viewed his own daughter. The night that Ralph murdered her, Tony would have killed Ralph with his bare hands had others not physically pulled him off of Ralph. Tracie's memory still haunted Tony, which is why the flashback from Meadow to her and back to Meadow is so poignant.
@@mastereppsreturns6586 interestingly enough, despite her expressed moral concerns, Tony's wife liked being a woman of means and the status of it. The kids were pretty much kept in the dark, except that Meadow grew to be a pretty smart cookie as she got older until she figured it out very late in the series.
Nice observation! I was able to spot one in which Meadow asks him if he's in the Mafia. While having dinner he was talking about it to her but the way it was filmed was awesome! The lighting was set up so that half of Tony's face was clear while the other side was dark, of course implying that he was only telling her the half truth. The Sopranos: Meadow and Tony out to dinner Check that scene another Tony/Meadow moment
@@nikoscott145 well... There's this thing in psychology about the father developing sexual feelings about his daughter. It isn't sick per se if understood, but it is dangerous if goes unchecked. If I remember that right, the concept is that the father see more and more of him/his wife in his daughter. Thus giving the nurture feeling a double standard of sexual connection. It isn't meant (I don't think) to make parents sexually love children. But to recognize their coming of age. The fact that Tony remembered that girl on Bing demonstrates he still doesn't forgive himself for failing her or not doing everything he could. And that Meadow is about to come to the same risks.
Is awkward as meadow was probably feeling, hearing that from her dad was probably heart warming and super validating. Parents please tell your kids you love them every day, it’ll make the biggest impact on them.
Repeating your love of a person everyday will not have the same impact each time; because it became lazy for both ears and heart; instead of that, you must show them the love by caring, sharing, providing and lastly by telling from time to time. Let them feel it and occasionally hear it.
It’s weird, out of all the crazy violence and classic scenes, this simple moment of Tony trying to connect with his daughter is one of the most memorable things in the show for me. You rarely get to see any of these guys showing any goodness at all, when they do it makes them feel all the more real
This is an excellent scene for a few reasons IMO: Tony finally starts to see the influence of parents on their children, which is cool because deep down Tony didn't want to be a gangster and he feels a lot of resentment at his dad for bringing him into it. Take for example when Tony has the dream about his high school football coach and the coach says he amounted to nothing, to which Tony replies he has "the big house, million two you know" and talks about being the boss, etc. Tony's coach, which is really nothing but Tony's subconscious, says he could have been so much more. Tony goes to shoot his coach but his gun is out of bullets, because deep down Tony knows it's how he really feels. So when Tony sees Carmella and then Meadow doing the exact same thing, it clicks for him and humanizes the previously just gray strippers and victims of organized crime. He also at some level feels inadequate and is projecting that on to Meadow. Meadow is a 20 year old female from Jersey, the same as Tracee, but that's where on the surface their connection ends. But not for Tony, who realizes that it could easily be reversed. That for all the talk of Sopranos genes, and Italian pride, that if Tracee as a child was put into Tonys house that she'd be the one in Colombia and Meadow would be the stripper, especially seeing as it's strongly implied Meadow paid her way in. Such as the fact that she didn't think she could get into UCLA(With an acceptance rate of ~25%) but somehow could get into the top tier of the Ivy league. The $50,000 donation got Meadow in. Meadow is smart, but she is in the same tier as Tracee mentally. The only difference is upbringing. And then whatever guilt Tony can feel hits him, as he realizes, perhaps at a deeper level, about how many Tracees have to suffer so that the Meadows of the world can live lifes that are better than they're supposed to. Because deep down, the mafia is deeply dysfunctional. They're the dreggs, the criminals. If we lived in ancient times where the punishment for stealing was death these guys would be living in huts. They're the leeches of society, and Tony knows it. Silvio, Chrissy, Carmine Jr., all of them are shown at some point as mumbling dumbasses. There is no reason that a guy like Carmine Jr should live in a house worth $1 Million+ and drive a Bentley. Which is perhaps why Tony's story is the greatest tragedy of all: The Sopranos didn't have to do this. Tony could have been a success in a straight life. Same with his whole family. His father almost took an opportunity that would have ended with him being a legitimate millionaire, but he didn't because of his Tony's mother. Tony B's IQ was 160 for crying out loud. And Tony in the end succumbs to it, too. He gets a little less human each season and eventually it comes full circle. His generation won't break the cycle, neither will his kids. Meadow ends up with freaking Pat Parisi's son. AJ ends up as a less functional Jackie Jr. And Tony himself likely ends up dead, with little to nothing to show for it all. Because at the end, Tony's famous "you're born into this" line doesn't refer to mob life, it refers to a dysfunctional family.
James --- Granted it was many years ago since I saw this series, but I never got the impression that Tony was originally forced into this life. Maybe he felt forced to become boss and stay in the mafia, but not originally join it. If I am missing something, can you point me in the right direction with a few examples?
Movses Timiryan He wasn’t forced into the mafia he just made the wrong decision by joining it. You realize this when watching the episodes where he is in a coma after junior shot him. He starts off as a business man (his preferred occupation) in a bar in some city away from his home. As he is leaving the bar he picks up the wrong suitcase- the suitcase is used as a metaphor for his path in life. When he opens the suitcase at the airport he notices that his id is not in, but instead Kevin Finity’s. The significance of this name is in its definition. Kevin means kind and gentle, and finity means limited. So, the writers might have inferred that he picked the wrong path that would limit his kindness and his gentleness. After he picks up this wrong suitcase he begins having unusual altercations (fighting with monks), and even cheated on his wife. I don’t think he was forced to join the mafia, but I think he knows that he made the wrong choice. Or, he could just be realizing this because his dad did not choose him as his successor after he died, and therefore he does not feel appreciated in his line of work. This is probably why he doesn’t mention his father that much throughout the episodes , and why him and Paulie have a conversation whether his Dad loved him or not when they went to hide out in Florida.
At least Tony had these emotions and saw that girls’s image. Others didn’t think a sec about her but Tony saw how easy an innocent civilian can get hurt.
stonecold12 They were worst men by a mile than Tony. Tony still a mobster and money comes first but he had a soft side as well. Fuck Ralph he was a sphyco and a scumbag. He deserved dying like a punk he was. It was the gesture that made Tony kill him not the horse itself. It was the heat of the argument. He and Ralph had their history from that girl, the refused drink and Tony had enough of him even though being hypocritical as J.Sack wanted Ralph dead but Tony taking his side. Thats the thing these guys were hypocrites and their interests changed within moments. You can be no :1 favourite at a point but the next day you going next. Whatever good or bad they were still mobsters and death was part of their daily life.
Tony didn't give a shit about her when she was alive. Ignored her and told her to get lost whenever she tried to talk to him at the Bing. Gave her that advice one time but he seemed more annoyed than anything.
Inside of us all lies a chunk of tony soprano. He could get away with doing fucked up stuff and for anyone who’s related to the violent side of tony but didn’t act on it doesn’t mean you’re a good person bc you didn’t go an awful act, most don’t go through with shit like that not because they change but because they know they aren’t ready to face to consequences of getting caught. Tony was loving, caring, giving, mad, crazy, violent ....list goes on. Everyone experiences all of those emotions.
You can't blame Silvio for being a douche to her. After all she was costing him alot of money and there was no way to make up for the money that he lost when she died.
Meadow was Tony heart. When he was in the coma Meadow voice was what brought him back. The last scenes of the series he was just waiting to see her come through the door to see her face, many theories it was the last thing he would see.
@@Mainlyeverything it's kind of sad tbh. But realistically, Tony deserved that kind of hell. But yeah, Tony always watches her enter the room, when that door bell opens and then it cuts to black when Tony looks up. Maybe that is when he dies and he never got to see his pride and joy. 🤩
It's funny how he was worried about Meadow ever being in the situation that Tracee was but laughed his ass off at the thought of Christopher's daughter, after Paulie made that joke, that she would be in the same situation in the future.
I just like to see that as poor writing since Tony would’ve shat on Paulie for making a joke like that. Despite Tony being the psychopath he is, to a certain extent he still has morals such as never hitting women (minus Dr. Melfi he didn’t really hit her but threatened and grabbed her) or showing respect to women such as making sure Dr. Melfi was okay when she broke down or offering to talk her to her car. Then of course his family, although he cheated on Carmela multiple times he really did care about her and his family, he loved his kids and didn’t want them to have the mafia lifestyle and he was always a team with Carmela and made sure ti want the best for their kids.
@@ricksanchez5971 Tony was capable of love and truly loved his daughter, but he had no morals. He claimed to love animals but his business dumped waste in water ducks lived in. He claimed to hate rats, but he ratted out Feech. He would have come down on Paulie for saying that if it was someone he cared about and would have said it was against his morals to talk about a little girl like that, but because he didn’t like Christopher anymore he thought it was funny
@@Lilyanna298wow I forgot about them blatantly dumping asbestos waste in a pond where ducks were living. That was absolutely symbolic like Tony emptying the pool in the penultimate episode. No more ducks or pools, just the end. These guys were evil.
This is by far one of my most favorite scenes. There was a lot of emotional underlying, things said that weren't said. Tony and meadow have that type of relationship where you don't always have to spill the beans, they just know. Meadow is the total Italian princess, not gaudy nor outrageous. Simple Italian dreams
I love the shot when we first see Meadow in this scene. Like she is born from Carmella right on the spot somehow. You don't even know she is there until Carmella leaves the counter and she replaces Carmella and Tony looks at her fondly, with a quick smash cut to the stripper. Sometimes camera and blocking and editing can be just as powerful as any acting.
All this scene does is make me feel bad for people like Tracee and Adriana. Pretty young girls that got mixed up in a life they weren't capable of surviving.
Adriana honestly could've lived a lot longer if the feds weren't breathing down her neck, she was born into the life and way more accustomed to it then Meadow, hell even more accustomed to it than Jackie Jr., Sean, Matt, Dino and a couple other low level guys who actually worked as associates.
Tracee I have sympathy for. Abused by her mother, gullible, very young and all that. Adriana was the niece of the boss of NJ. She knew what she was getting into and wanted the lavish lifestyle.
And he kept his word as a father. He curved stomped a made man from Phil Leonardo’s crew when he found out Coco approached meadow and made disturbing comments.
Meadow also never wanted to be like her mom, in a way she was disgusted but how she chose the mafia life and she did everything she could to be independent and get away from that.
You ain't kidding!!! I would do the same thing! EVEN considering the fact that I KNOW it would all turn into a living hell after a short period of time!
I love this scene so much. University that episode nearly made me quit Sopranos for good I don't like storylines that deal with rape, human or sex trafficking or forced prostitution. I have to say David Chase knew exactly what he was doing he never fell in love with his characters and try to make them Anti-Heroes. He knew they were all monsters though and through with little moral fibre if any. An example is the prostitution these girls owed money or needed to pay for their kids and they had nothing but their bodies to do so, let's face it some of them were told they were going to do more than just strip whether they wanted to or not. Silvio and the rest of the guys all looked at it like they were better than sex traffickers like from the Taken movies because they were friendly to the girls, they weren't chained up in basements and all the rest but it's the same thing. You see Silvio trying to keep a professional line with them but he does look out for them, however it's about his money more than the girls well being he never once thinks about his own daughter when he sees those girl. It really come out how despicable he is when he goes looking for Tracy and tries to talk some sense into her about her kid and Ralphie, then when she talks back he smacks her and basically tells her that her body is his to do with as he wishes until she pays back what she owes it's truly vile. In this scene which is pure genius we see a lot come to the forefront of Tony's conscience. Tony was undoubtedly very attracted to Tracee but for the first time in his life he felt it was wrong that he was to old for her. He couldn't look at her without thinking about how Meadow and her were the same age, he couldn't help but think if life had turned out differently for her she'd be at the same school as Meadow that in fact it's only an accident of birth she's not his own daughter. He was confronted with something he never thought about before this messed up girl who had nothing good in her life a girl that only had her body to make money with, a girl that had to sell her dignity form she was a child until she had none left a girl so poor she couldn't even afford shame. Tony knew that she was attracted to him that she was so fucked up she was looking for a lover and father figure in one, she was beautiful enough to land a big fish and she wanted the biggest fish Tony but he made it clear he wasn't going down that road with her. The sad thing is a real monster was waiting in the wings someone like Ralphie with no redeeming qualities. He steps in and a poor girl like Tracee falls for all his bullshit all he wanted was a beautiful girl to do with what he liked, she was so enamoured probably thinking if she was one of the main guys mistresses she'd get a better life. Tony wanted to step in but he couldn't because he didn't trust himself not to start a relationship with her and he didn't want to confront everything she represented. When Meadow walks toward him and see's Tracee he sees everything he loves but also everything that he hates about himself. He see's all those girls that work at the strip club everything they did had to or were told to, in order to pay for the big house he's standing in as well as his daughters life and her education. He thinks about poor Tracee who never had a chance her life, never had anyone there to look out for her no one to hug her, tell it was gonna be ok, give her a kiss on the forehead or cheek, never had a warm bed at home or man probably from she was a child that wasn't interested in anything from her but sexually. He probably the way he treated her and if he'd been nicer or talked to her more he could've gotten her out of the life, yet now he blames himself because he couldn't look at her without there being something sexual something in it for him. He hugs Meadow but I think he's really thinking if only I'd hugged that girl and set her straight put her on the right path, it could've been one of the few truly good things I did in my life. When he looks up I'm sure Tony knew Ralphie was dying no matter what he couldn't forgive anyone even if it had've been his own crew I think, for doing what Ralphie did taking an advantage so thoroughly and then discarding her like trash like he was just done with her. When Tony finally get's everything he needs to move on Ralphie after the horse, when he comes after him in the kitchen as kills him he say's "She was a beautiful innocent creature what the fuck she ever do to you" I think we all know he wasn't talking about the horse. A truly epic story about human beings but more than that it's a story about evil people, they had every opportunity to do the right thing. Everything in their life was about money. Everything they had they either drank it, smoke it or fucked it all away. There are no successful mobsters you end up in one of 3 categories in prison, broke or dead.
Chase fought HBO to keep that episode in. Some thought the show had glamorized the mob up to that point, then we have an entire episode seeing how awful they treat their women by cheating on wives and abusing barely legal strippers which culminated in Tracee dying with her unborn baby. You can't watch the rest of the series without remembering these guys are evil.
The creator David Chase said that Tracee was a victim of bad parenting. She was treated like garbage and thrown out like garbage when she died. Chase said her story made him cry.
Thats one thing this show did perfect: it demonstrated how few people actually change in life even those that really want to. We're all stuck in habits and ways of thinking that are hard as hell to break out of, because it's eaiser to not have to admit you wasted time doing something the wrong way, which of course we all do.
Moments ago before Tony goes over to Carmela/Meadow Adriana is sitting at the kitchen table. Tony gets emotional with Meadow when thinking about Tracey and that bad things can happen to a young unprotected girl but had Adriana killed. What a Hypocrit
Tony is such a complex and well written character, he's a monster to be sure but he was the only person to even remotely care about that girls death, not one other person gave a shit about Ralphie beating her to death...as evil as he was he still had an element of morality to him, at times he made you care for him and feel sympathy for him, but in the end he never changed, in fact he got worse and worse as the seasons went on. Most well written character in any series to date in my opinion.
Like Silvio. He obviously was angry at Tracee because she didn't pay her debts. But having a daughter himself, he seemed to be disturbed about Tracee's death as well
I love the wide assortment of men that Janice cycles through-a "civilian" French Canadian (presumably her age), a guy who went back to Andorra 🇦🇩 (🤷♂️???); a young man, old enough to be her son; a psychotic mobster; a mobster with a heart of gold; a Christian singing narcoleptic; and a bunch of "roadies" from rock tours in the 70s! She swung from the extremes
I think any caring dad has this moment, when they see a woman they treated badly or discarded in the past in their daughter who's becoming a woman. I used to watch this show with mine and he would always become teary-eyed during this scene.
His acting is fucking incredible. Brings a level of realism to the screen that only the best can provide. He portrays emotions with an intensity and authenticity that should be studied in every acting class. RIP James Gandolfini
A great series,....with easily the most overrated acting and movements. Did you see the way she moved out of the way for Meadow...brilliant!,, The way Tony zippered his jacket, it was a metaphor for......brilliant! When Christopher opens the box....the attention to detail!! Artie wipes a table!.....wow his acting was perfect just like a real restaurant owner!.....guy walks by in background, it’s incredible timing....
The only people Tony genuinely cared about after Pussy's death was AJ, Meadow, Silvio and Artie. Tony loved Carmela but boy they've had some big fights and even bigger fights with his oldest sister.
@@RonsaRRR Chris too for a time, otherwise he wouldn't have let him slide on so many fuck ups but the fact that he stayed a junkie after all the interventions and almost killed Tony and himself and could've one day killed his own kid bc of his sloppiness when strung out was the final straw
I love how beautifully AJ told the story of how Janice served Barry Sanders at Kenny Rogers
That story pissed off Tony . 😂😂
AJ is a true poet.
Wasn't it Kenny Rogers at Colonel Sanders?
@@BlueSkiesAbove39 yeah she served em
@@moek4361 He would've but for those chompers, Madone!
The idea that a narcoleptic is falling asleep on the don of Northern Jersey is absolute pure comedy.
Falling asleep on the don of some pygmy thing in jersey is nothing special.
@@ivarr_hinn_beinlausiI mean, historically, Carmine always said they were nothing more than a glorified crew
@@ivarr_hinn_beinlausi lol
@@Sorrelhaswhatever happened there.
@@JudgeDredd_WHATEVA HAPPENED THERE?!
Actually sums up Tony’s morality pretty well, he normalized the environment that got Tracie killed. But the mere thought of the exact same thing happening to Meadow makes him tear up. Then of course he does nothing to change.
How do you change when you're head of a mafia family?
Softness is seen as weakness
@@molasorrosalom4846 you change when you hit the bottom, like Michael Corleone. Of course it's not instantaneous, it could take years, but there's always a point in which you realize that's not the life you wanted, and Tony got the signals many times
Tracie's sincerity, youth and beauty touched Tony's heart, and he viewed her in a similar light in which he viewed his own daughter. The night that Ralph murdered her, Tony would have killed Ralph with his bare hands had others not physically pulled him off of Ralph. Tracie's memory still haunted Tony, which is why the flashback from Meadow to her and back to Meadow is so poignant.
Would his family be happy if he quit? And worked a regular 9-5? No because they’re complicit.
@@mastereppsreturns6586 interestingly enough, despite her expressed moral concerns, Tony's wife liked being a woman of means and the status of it. The kids were pretty much kept in the dark, except that Meadow grew to be a pretty smart cookie as she got older until she figured it out very late in the series.
If anything were to ever happen to you...Somewhere Coco is still looking for his teeth
You have a little cream on your face......
Cocco, George Raft, and the Gypsy's were my favorite characters
Would he die from something like curbstomp?
@@Remo1147 you can easily die from a curbstomp
@@Remo1147 Not the soft one he received. But yeah its standard to die from curb stomping.
The way his wife moved away to reveal Meadow taking her place in Tony’s life… well crafted scene
Nice observation! I was able to spot one in which Meadow asks him if he's in the Mafia. While having dinner he was talking about it to her but the way it was filmed was awesome! The lighting was set up so that half of Tony's face was clear while the other side was dark, of course implying that he was only telling her the half truth.
The Sopranos: Meadow and Tony out to dinner
Check that scene another Tony/Meadow moment
No he just developed feelings for meadow , he confesses to her didn’t u watch it
@@ThePrinceofallsayain Get your mind out the gutter, this isn't a porno
@@nikoscott145 well...
There's this thing in psychology about the father developing sexual feelings about his daughter.
It isn't sick per se if understood, but it is dangerous if goes unchecked.
If I remember that right, the concept is that the father see more and more of him/his wife in his daughter.
Thus giving the nurture feeling a double standard of sexual connection.
It isn't meant (I don't think) to make parents sexually love children. But to recognize their coming of age. The fact that Tony remembered that girl on Bing demonstrates he still doesn't forgive himself for failing her or not doing everything he could.
And that Meadow is about to come to the same risks.
@@ruffusgoodman4137 🤡
Is awkward as meadow was probably feeling, hearing that from her dad was probably heart warming and super validating. Parents please tell your kids you love them every day, it’ll make the biggest impact on them.
Tell them you're proud of them -- they already know you love them. NOTE: Having a Hunter Biden as a child would be the exception to this rule.
Repeating your love of a person everyday will not have the same impact each time; because it became lazy for both ears and heart; instead of that, you must show them the love by caring, sharing, providing and lastly by telling from time to time. Let them feel it and occasionally hear it.
Anyone can say i love you, but it is also more important to act like it
AMEN!
Here's better advice: DON'T HAVE KIDS
It’s weird, out of all the crazy violence and classic scenes, this simple moment of Tony trying to connect with his daughter is one of the most memorable things in the show for me. You rarely get to see any of these guys showing any goodness at all, when they do it makes them feel all the more real
Family is everything
really? Tony paranoid that his daughter was going to behave like a fatherless hoo-ah who gets abused is the most sincere moment?
BS - the bar was raised.
Tony acts creepy af towards his daughter.
@@lewstone5430 I think that's why the scene works. Tony struggles with showing any vulnerability and if he tries it comes as awkward or creepy
Meadow already knew this cause she is his favourite!! Its AJ that needed to hear that talk but Tony didn't like him that much.
HA!!
jakep1979 can you blame Tony? With a moron of son he has.
@@tdevil101 well when you have fucked up parents who overcompensated by spoiling and fattening him up, what do you expect??!!
AJ didn't have the makings of a varsity son.
AJ was a pussy and a spoiled brat
Meadow looks so damn pretty in this scene
charlie rosillo yeah before she ruined her shnozz
Yeah, MS is not kind to your looks
Is there a scene where she doesn't?
When she is with the black guy
Calm down.
Meadow looks incredible in this scene.
Her body was mad ripe
Hell yea. God damn!
@@rohunsaigal2576 Ahahah, thought I was the only person to use that word in this manner, "ripe."
@kirby it’s what Jackie jr says in the show ..it’s a reference
@@sergioisthebest1 she lookin right fr
The fact that her mom is perfectly in front of her at first is amazing
The director and actors did a fine job. Meadow acting and looking innocent with Tony's concern.
@@nickimillennium really ?? isnt that becuase mothers reject them so they only have the daughter left
Satanic black magic…SICK SHIT
It’s the sacred…AND the propane
Very allegorical. Baldwin brothers would be proud
"You know I love you more than anything else right?"
"Wow listen to mob boss ova here"
You got something you wanna say to me?
That's MR Mob Boss, to you
@@f.boogaloospook2318 What you mean
This is an excellent scene for a few reasons IMO:
Tony finally starts to see the influence of parents on their children, which is cool because deep down Tony didn't want to be a gangster and he feels a lot of resentment at his dad for bringing him into it. Take for example when Tony has the dream about his high school football coach and the coach says he amounted to nothing, to which Tony replies he has "the big house, million two you know" and talks about being the boss, etc. Tony's coach, which is really nothing but Tony's subconscious, says he could have been so much more. Tony goes to shoot his coach but his gun is out of bullets, because deep down Tony knows it's how he really feels. So when Tony sees Carmella and then Meadow doing the exact same thing, it clicks for him and humanizes the previously just gray strippers and victims of organized crime.
He also at some level feels inadequate and is projecting that on to Meadow. Meadow is a 20 year old female from Jersey, the same as Tracee, but that's where on the surface their connection ends. But not for Tony, who realizes that it could easily be reversed. That for all the talk of Sopranos genes, and Italian pride, that if Tracee as a child was put into Tonys house that she'd be the one in Colombia and Meadow would be the stripper, especially seeing as it's strongly implied Meadow paid her way in. Such as the fact that she didn't think she could get into UCLA(With an acceptance rate of ~25%) but somehow could get into the top tier of the Ivy league. The $50,000 donation got Meadow in. Meadow is smart, but she is in the same tier as Tracee mentally. The only difference is upbringing.
And then whatever guilt Tony can feel hits him, as he realizes, perhaps at a deeper level, about how many Tracees have to suffer so that the Meadows of the world can live lifes that are better than they're supposed to.
Because deep down, the mafia is deeply dysfunctional. They're the dreggs, the criminals. If we lived in ancient times where the punishment for stealing was death these guys would be living in huts.
They're the leeches of society, and Tony knows it. Silvio, Chrissy, Carmine Jr., all of them are shown at some point as mumbling dumbasses. There is no reason that a guy like Carmine Jr should live in a house worth $1 Million+ and drive a Bentley.
Which is perhaps why Tony's story is the greatest tragedy of all: The Sopranos didn't have to do this. Tony could have been a success in a straight life. Same with his whole family. His father almost took an opportunity that would have ended with him being a legitimate millionaire, but he didn't because of his Tony's mother. Tony B's IQ was 160 for crying out loud.
And Tony in the end succumbs to it, too. He gets a little less human each season and eventually it comes full circle. His generation won't break the cycle, neither will his kids. Meadow ends up with freaking Pat Parisi's son. AJ ends up as a less functional Jackie Jr.
And Tony himself likely ends up dead, with little to nothing to show for it all.
Because at the end, Tony's famous "you're born into this" line doesn't refer to mob life, it refers to a dysfunctional family.
Excellent response.
You must've never had the makings of a varsity athlete
James --- Granted it was many years ago since I saw this series, but I never got the impression that Tony was originally forced into this life. Maybe he felt forced to become boss and stay in the mafia, but not originally join it. If I am missing something, can you point me in the right direction with a few examples?
Movses Timiryan He wasn’t forced into the mafia he just made the wrong decision by joining it. You realize this when watching the episodes where he is in a coma after junior shot him.
He starts off as a business man (his preferred occupation) in a bar in some city away from his home. As he is leaving the bar he picks up the wrong suitcase- the suitcase is used as a metaphor for his path in life. When he opens the suitcase at the airport he notices that his id is not in, but instead Kevin Finity’s. The significance of this name is in its definition. Kevin means kind and gentle, and finity means limited. So, the writers might have inferred that he picked the wrong path that would limit his kindness and his gentleness. After he picks up this wrong suitcase he begins having unusual altercations (fighting with monks), and even cheated on his wife.
I don’t think he was forced to join the mafia, but I think he knows that he made the wrong choice. Or, he could just be realizing this because his dad did not choose him as his successor after he died, and therefore he does not feel appreciated in his line of work. This is probably why he doesn’t mention his father that much throughout the episodes , and why him and Paulie have a conversation whether his Dad loved him or not when they went to hide out in Florida.
Aaron Martin You do realize your post is the dumbest on this thread? You're like a dumbass self parody, jackass.
Jesus she looks beautiful
She looked so much hotter when she was thick.
look at those ripe full bosoms, overflowing with super-milk, my children would surely be well fed.
wtf lol
@@tedcrilly46 what the fuck. lmao
Ted Crilly Wasn’t she a minor in this video lmao?
At least Tony had these emotions and saw that girls’s image. Others didn’t think a sec about her but Tony saw how easy an innocent civilian can get hurt.
stonecold12 They were worst men by a mile than Tony. Tony still a mobster and money comes first but he had a soft side as well. Fuck Ralph he was a sphyco and a scumbag. He deserved dying like a punk he was. It was the gesture that made Tony kill him not the horse itself. It was the heat of the argument. He and Ralph had their history from that girl, the refused drink and Tony had enough of him even though being hypocritical as J.Sack wanted Ralph dead but Tony taking his side. Thats the thing these guys were hypocrites and their interests changed within moments. You can be no :1 favourite at a point but the next day you going next. Whatever good or bad they were still mobsters and death was part of their daily life.
Tony didn't give a shit about her when she was alive. Ignored her and told her to get lost whenever she tried to talk to him at the Bing. Gave her that advice one time but he seemed more annoyed than anything.
Inside of us all lies a chunk of tony soprano. He could get away with doing fucked up stuff and for anyone who’s related to the violent side of tony but didn’t act on it doesn’t mean you’re a good person bc you didn’t go an awful act, most don’t go through with shit like that not because they change but because they know they aren’t ready to face to consequences of getting caught. Tony was loving, caring, giving, mad, crazy, violent ....list goes on. Everyone experiences all of those emotions.
korgpa4x korg Tony saw Tracee as a child, hence his feelings of protectiveness
You can't blame Silvio for being a douche to her. After all she was costing him alot of money and there was no way to make up for the money that he lost when she died.
Look, when it comes to daughters, all bets are off. I've seen tougher guys than John cry at weddings.
And in bathroom stalls.
He's fine, behind his veil of tears.
My estimation of John Sacramoni plummeted 🤭😉
she looks like a model out of Italian Vogue
Sí
#purachulada #quechulada
She's not italian lol
@@Confad22 You must be new to Soprano references
If there was one person that Tony actually truly loved besides himself, it was Meadow
Since when did Tony love himself lmao
@@me6271 he literally only talks about himself and cares nothing about what anyone else is going through
@@shaysgxga6919 Every therapy scene is a perfect example of this.
lol, that sleeping guy rubbing against Tony and his reaction Hey!.....mahaha, this show was truly awesome
"Almost time for turkey sannnddwiches!!"
He has risen
😂
Who the hell was that looked like some Kentucky hick
@@omerbrooklyn8716 Indeed
She looks amazing here holy shit
Chill out
@@dreamsprayanimation you gonna go in every comment and tell people to chill out?
@@anonanon8750 m'lady
M'lady
M'lady
Meadow was Tony heart. When he was in the coma Meadow voice was what brought him back. The last scenes of the series he was just waiting to see her come through the door to see her face, many theories it was the last thing he would see.
Ofc he got clipped, come on...
Maybe his hell is waiting for Meadow, and never getting to see her enter.
@@doesyomamaknowtho1468 that is poetry
Makes sense. She was his only real light
@@Mainlyeverything it's kind of sad tbh. But realistically, Tony deserved that kind of hell. But yeah, Tony always watches her enter the room, when that door bell opens and then it cuts to black when Tony looks up. Maybe that is when he dies and he never got to see his pride and joy.
🤩
@@doesyomamaknowtho1468 I like that theory. He's in purgatory. Forever reliving that moment never getting to see Meadow's face
It's funny how he was worried about Meadow ever being in the situation that Tracee was but laughed his ass off at the thought of Christopher's daughter, after Paulie made that joke, that she would be in the same situation in the future.
I just like to see that as poor writing since Tony would’ve shat on Paulie for making a joke like that.
Despite Tony being the psychopath he is, to a certain extent he still has morals such as never hitting women (minus Dr. Melfi he didn’t really hit her but threatened and grabbed her) or showing respect to women such as making sure Dr. Melfi was okay when she broke down or offering to talk her to her car.
Then of course his family, although he cheated on Carmela multiple times he really did care about her and his family, he loved his kids and didn’t want them to have the mafia lifestyle and he was always a team with Carmela and made sure ti want the best for their kids.
@@ricksanchez5971 Tony was capable of love and truly loved his daughter, but he had no morals. He claimed to love animals but his business dumped waste in water ducks lived in. He claimed to hate rats, but he ratted out Feech. He would have come down on Paulie for saying that if it was someone he cared about and would have said it was against his morals to talk about a little girl like that, but because he didn’t like Christopher anymore he thought it was funny
Season 6 Tony was rotted out so it makes sense
@@JunkFoodBoobooyou can argue season 6 tony and season 1 to 4 are completely different people
@@Lilyanna298wow I forgot about them blatantly dumping asbestos waste in a pond where ducks were living. That was absolutely symbolic like Tony emptying the pool in the penultimate episode. No more ducks or pools, just the end. These guys were evil.
This is by far one of my most favorite scenes. There was a lot of emotional underlying, things said that weren't said. Tony and meadow have that type of relationship where you don't always have to spill the beans, they just know. Meadow is the total Italian princess, not gaudy nor outrageous. Simple Italian dreams
tulkas 42o there’s just some type of girls that are princess types that aren’t snobby nor malicious just plain beautiful and lovely
He said nothing, END OF FUCKING STORY.
Meadow was so hot
I love the shot when we first see Meadow in this scene.
Like she is born from Carmella right on the spot somehow.
You don't even know she is there until Carmella leaves the counter and she replaces Carmella and Tony looks at her fondly, with a quick smash cut to the stripper.
Sometimes camera and blocking and editing can be just as powerful as any acting.
Yeah this is the age when I really got a chub for meadow
Lmao !!!
Women but the wall after 20
I like a woman you can grab onto something. She is too thin now
@@yaboobayyaboobay8191 you grab on to ginny sack your fuckin hands’ll dissapeah
@@kanarip8798 when ginny hauls ass she has to make 2 trips.
Thicker than a peanut butter sandwich
What episode is it??
mad ripe
And I ain’t hatin it
Prime Meadow Soprano. So good
Goddam she's so hot.😍😍🤯
Meadow is the only person in the series whom Tony loved genuinely.
DAMN SHE IS THICK
Meadow is the only person that Tony truly loved!
He loved Artie too
@@chasemcpot7789 Yeahh he did
But meadow was he’s soul
And uncle junior. He didn't even retaliate after he tried to have him killed or after he shot him
Not true, he loved his wife, his children, and Artie.
And Uncle Junior
Meadow.......schwing schwing
giggity giggity giggity
Harry Wakatipu Who else but Quagmire?
G. West you must get all the lady's
G. West You have bad taste.
G. West Some of those strippers looked like fucking harpies. Meadow is beautiful.
Meadow the woman of my dreams with a nightmare set of parents
@Matt Pizzano she didnt have daddy issues tho
@@mimir4965 yes she did
@@eijiniizuma6184 nah
@Matt Pizzano I wouldn't know. I tried to avoid the girls who had daddy issues.
To much baggage and very unhinged.
Meadow was looking kinda thicc not gonna lie
They did such a good job making her look innocent and even virginal. The hair straight and pulled back, the cross necklace...
Keep her away from Ralph
LOL if Ralph tried ANYTHING with Meadow, Tony would have killed him with his bare hands. Oh, wait...
Medow got super hot for a min
Meadow is looking edible in this scene.
Finn ate half a fucking tray already
Man the fact that this deep moment was just dropped spur of the moment is what makes this show feel so natural and raw
All this scene does is make me feel bad for people like Tracee and Adriana. Pretty young girls that got mixed up in a life they weren't capable of surviving.
Adriana honestly could've lived a lot longer if the feds weren't breathing down her neck, she was born into the life and way more accustomed to it then Meadow, hell even more accustomed to it than Jackie Jr., Sean, Matt, Dino and a couple other low level guys who actually worked as associates.
@@JazzyRiot79 Adriana could have lived a lot longer if she'd gone to Tony and said "I need a lawyer!"
The episode that shifts from Tracee to Meadow illustrates that.
Tracee I have sympathy for. Abused by her mother, gullible, very young and all that. Adriana was the niece of the boss of NJ. She knew what she was getting into and wanted the lavish lifestyle.
Nobody survives any life.
And he kept his word as a father. He curved stomped a made man from Phil Leonardo’s crew when he found out Coco approached meadow and made disturbing comments.
Coco deserved it but that’s one of the things that got Tony wacced in the end.
Great rack on meadow
Oh! That’s the bosses daughter!
Oh this was prime Meadow. I think by Season 6 the multiple sclerosis really had an effect on her appearance, she was very skinny
The MS caused her to get that thin?
Meadow is the strong, silent woman. The type of woman he would've wished his mother (or wife) was. The only woman he truly loved and respected
Meadow also never wanted to be like her mom, in a way she was disgusted but how she chose the mafia life and she did everything she could to be independent and get away from that.
@@ricksanchez5971 but she still takes her fathers money lol
Whatever happened to those strong, silent women?
are you kidding, she cries about some menial sht every 5 episodes
@@landlockedcroat1554 yeah that was in the early seasons. From S5 onwards she got her act together
Ill knock Meadow up on purpose....that girl is gorgeous...
What episodie and seanson plissss???
@@giovannadibari1406 what the fuck, are you shaying?
You ain't kidding!!! I would do the same thing! EVEN considering the fact that I KNOW it would all turn into a living hell after a short period of time!
@@jeffjones3040 damn you think her 😺 is that good?
@@annexgroup6878 ...Your god damn right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meadow is actually a nice name for a Girl. Tony may have been a dangerous sociopath, but the man had taste.
Carm probably named her lol
Omg meadow body was banging in this scene
I love this scene so much. University that episode nearly made me quit Sopranos for good I don't like storylines that deal with rape, human or sex trafficking or forced prostitution. I have to say David Chase knew exactly what he was doing he never fell in love with his characters and try to make them Anti-Heroes. He knew they were all monsters though and through with little moral fibre if any. An example is the prostitution these girls owed money or needed to pay for their kids and they had nothing but their bodies to do so, let's face it some of them were told they were going to do more than just strip whether they wanted to or not. Silvio and the rest of the guys all looked at it like they were better than sex traffickers like from the Taken movies because they were friendly to the girls, they weren't chained up in basements and all the rest but it's the same thing. You see Silvio trying to keep a professional line with them but he does look out for them, however it's about his money more than the girls well being he never once thinks about his own daughter when he sees those girl. It really come out how despicable he is when he goes looking for Tracy and tries to talk some sense into her about her kid and Ralphie, then when she talks back he smacks her and basically tells her that her body is his to do with as he wishes until she pays back what she owes it's truly vile.
In this scene which is pure genius we see a lot come to the forefront of Tony's conscience. Tony was undoubtedly very attracted to Tracee but for the first time in his life he felt it was wrong that he was to old for her. He couldn't look at her without thinking about how Meadow and her were the same age, he couldn't help but think if life had turned out differently for her she'd be at the same school as Meadow that in fact it's only an accident of birth she's not his own daughter. He was confronted with something he never thought about before this messed up girl who had nothing good in her life a girl that only had her body to make money with, a girl that had to sell her dignity form she was a child until she had none left a girl so poor she couldn't even afford shame. Tony knew that she was attracted to him that she was so fucked up she was looking for a lover and father figure in one, she was beautiful enough to land a big fish and she wanted the biggest fish Tony but he made it clear he wasn't going down that road with her. The sad thing is a real monster was waiting in the wings someone like Ralphie with no redeeming qualities. He steps in and a poor girl like Tracee falls for all his bullshit all he wanted was a beautiful girl to do with what he liked, she was so enamoured probably thinking if she was one of the main guys mistresses she'd get a better life. Tony wanted to step in but he couldn't because he didn't trust himself not to start a relationship with her and he didn't want to confront everything she represented.
When Meadow walks toward him and see's Tracee he sees everything he loves but also everything that he hates about himself. He see's all those girls that work at the strip club everything they did had to or were told to, in order to pay for the big house he's standing in as well as his daughters life and her education. He thinks about poor Tracee who never had a chance her life, never had anyone there to look out for her no one to hug her, tell it was gonna be ok, give her a kiss on the forehead or cheek, never had a warm bed at home or man probably from she was a child that wasn't interested in anything from her but sexually. He probably the way he treated her and if he'd been nicer or talked to her more he could've gotten her out of the life, yet now he blames himself because he couldn't look at her without there being something sexual something in it for him. He hugs Meadow but I think he's really thinking if only I'd hugged that girl and set her straight put her on the right path, it could've been one of the few truly good things I did in my life. When he looks up I'm sure Tony knew Ralphie was dying no matter what he couldn't forgive anyone even if it had've been his own crew I think, for doing what Ralphie did taking an advantage so thoroughly and then discarding her like trash like he was just done with her. When Tony finally get's everything he needs to move on Ralphie after the horse, when he comes after him in the kitchen as kills him he say's "She was a beautiful innocent creature what the fuck she ever do to you" I think we all know he wasn't talking about the horse.
A truly epic story about human beings but more than that it's a story about evil people, they had every opportunity to do the right thing. Everything in their life was about money. Everything they had they either drank it, smoke it or fucked it all away. There are no successful mobsters you end up in one of 3 categories in prison, broke or dead.
Beautifully put. Tracee's storyline always makes me cry.
@@becuzMDsaidineededpersonality Such a sad story but well told and honest about these people they shouldn't be something to emulate.
Chase fought HBO to keep that episode in. Some thought the show had glamorized the mob up to that point, then we have an entire episode seeing how awful they treat their women by cheating on wives and abusing barely legal strippers which culminated in Tracee dying with her unborn baby. You can't watch the rest of the series without remembering these guys are evil.
Grow a pair
Damn shes 🔥
For all the things you can say about Tony and there’s a lot....all fathers can relate to him in scenes like this with Meadow
Aaron getting away with sleeping on a mob bosses shoulder is pretty wholesome lol
Mob boss? More like the head of a glorified crew
Every evil man is good to at least 1 person.
I get emotional whenever Meadow wears a tight sweater.
Meadow so beautiful body and face🥰
Tracee was so beautiful....how sad... Tony really felt bad when she died.
He actually didnt care. It was an act
The creator David Chase said that Tracee was a victim of bad parenting. She was treated like garbage and thrown out like garbage when she died. Chase said her story made him cry.
Tracee was beautiful. No doubt. But Meadow, especially in this scene? Makes Tracee look like a deformed version of Tony's mom.
@@bigding8977 when was this
@It Is Cool Simping for a stripper is never cool
Oh man no one tells a yarn like AJ!
Meadow never looked so beautiful than in this scene.
I'll be damned if i commit my life to crime and have lil ass tv like that
Meadow looking her most delicious here.
I'd argue that her booty was much fatter during the scene when Tony gets arrested and she's in her pajama pants in season 6
@@comeatmebro8120 watch it, coco
she is so pretty
meh
Yes this is a great scene, but not enough comments on how absolutely hilarious this scene is. “Yea, she served him”
A: she was a hoower
B: She hit me
Janice always tells a story about herself while asking other people to tell it
Thats one thing this show did perfect: it demonstrated how few people actually change in life even those that really want to. We're all stuck in habits and ways of thinking that are hard as hell to break out of, because it's eaiser to not have to admit you wasted time doing something the wrong way, which of course we all do.
That's a woman you don't 'pull out' on. You bust hard and deliver the seed..
i used to think these scenes were corny, but in real life, you do think like this.
I fantasize about curb stomping Medowww
Wtf
I never noticed how Janice immediately takes Tony's seat on the couch when he gets up. So perfect.
1:06 Me to every dog I see
Moments ago before Tony goes over to Carmela/Meadow Adriana is sitting at the kitchen table. Tony gets emotional with Meadow when thinking about Tracey and that bad things can happen to a young unprotected girl but had Adriana killed. What a Hypocrit
Tony is such a complex and well written character, he's a monster to be sure but he was the only person to even remotely care about that girls death, not one other person gave a shit about Ralphie beating her to death...as evil as he was he still had an element of morality to him, at times he made you care for him and feel sympathy for him, but in the end he never changed, in fact he got worse and worse as the seasons went on.
Most well written character in any series to date in my opinion.
Like Silvio. He obviously was angry at Tracee because she didn't pay her debts. But having a daughter himself, he seemed to be disturbed about Tracee's death as well
Having a daughter of my own… this scene hits differently and I completely understand it
If anything was to happen to your Shinebox
I’ve always had a chub for Tony!
YOU DOWN BAD.
Meadow was soooo gorgeous here!! 😍
I love the wide assortment of men that Janice cycles through-a "civilian" French Canadian (presumably her age), a guy who went back to Andorra 🇦🇩 (🤷♂️???); a young man, old enough to be her son; a psychotic mobster; a mobster with a heart of gold; a Christian singing narcoleptic; and a bunch of "roadies" from rock tours in the 70s!
She swung from the extremes
Meadow... DILLY DILLY
Oh fuck off with that lame ass shit
@@forman208 gayboy
Great fucking actor. We miss you Jimbo
Meadow is the only person in the whole show who was never exposed to Tony's sociopathic wrath.
Ähm did you watched the show?
AJ the master of story telling
about Janice serving Barry Sanders "Yes she served him"
about Jackie Junior whacked "He is like, dead .. "
I think any caring dad has this moment, when they see a woman they treated badly or discarded in the past in their daughter who's becoming a woman.
I used to watch this show with mine and he would always become teary-eyed during this scene.
The guy fallin asleep on Tony hahahahaha
His acting is fucking incredible. Brings a level of realism to the screen that only the best can provide. He portrays emotions with an intensity and authenticity that should be studied in every acting class. RIP James Gandolfini
never had the makings of a varisty athlete.
*If anything would’ve ever happen to you.*
Curb stomps a rival mobster years later for coming at his daughter.
My god her face.... She just got hotter every season
naa that was at her hottest
Tony: You know I love you more than anything on this world right?
AJ: Am I joke to you?
AJ needed to hear this more than anything lol
Tony's so disappointed in AJ he goes straight to Meadow, the family's only hope 😂
00:45 look at that framing, Carmela walks away to reveal... the daughter
This was Meadow at her finest
thicc meadow
Meadow was so Hot 🔥 in her Prime
@Robert Taylor season 3 and 4
@JenkemOD she was a child in season one you fucking creep
If the girl who had her brains beaten by Ralph had good parents - she would still be alive.
Maybe, who knows
My human mind can't get over how fine Meadow is in this scene.
She looked so fine here
A great series,....with easily the most overrated acting and movements. Did you see the way she moved out of the way for Meadow...brilliant!,, The way Tony zippered his jacket, it was a metaphor for......brilliant! When Christopher opens the box....the attention to detail!! Artie wipes a table!.....wow his acting was perfect just like a real restaurant owner!.....guy walks by in background, it’s incredible timing....
This is why he really killed ralphie
Why did she take a step back when he approached her? Like she was scared
The only people Tony genuinely cared about after Pussy's death was AJ, Meadow, Silvio and Artie. Tony loved Carmela but boy they've had some big fights and even bigger fights with his oldest sister.
Silvio, not Chris?
@@RonsaRRR he kills Chris so I don’t really know
@@RonsaRRR Chris too for a time, otherwise he wouldn't have let him slide on so many fuck ups but the fact that he stayed a junkie after all the interventions and almost killed Tony and himself and could've one day killed his own kid bc of his sloppiness when strung out was the final straw
He loved Chris, but he was too much of a liability at the end and warned many times
Damn Meadow is HOT 👌
Meadow looks like a snacc here.
Thicker Meadow was a heart stopper