@@Shadowkey392 admiral marcus may be the CNC (basically the chairman of the joint chiefs) but there are other high ranking admirals that have authority under their positions to do their jobs with or without the CNC so for example chief of staff. commander starfleet.
@@Shadowkey392 starfleet has a regulation and rule about firing on there own ships which aplies to setion 31.and also the admeral is problaby dead after that and section 31 would be dismanteld agian
That's what I thought. It creates a pleasant canon and adds continuity to the prime time line, as if Section 31 is using experimental technology that will eventually be adapted for everyday use in the TNG star Fleet era. It's a shame the movie directors don't try as hard as the guy who made this short film.
@@AllieGee95 It is TNG Era torpedoes, but from later on, First Contact on. We actually hear that sound more often in some of the games than we do anywhere else, like in Star Trek: Armada. I played that game waaaaay too many times not to know that sound effect by heart.
@@Kyronea oh okay thank you, yeah I can “picture/hear” it now that you mention it. I’m also curious as to what sound is used for the pulse phasers/phaser canons we see the Vengeance firing from its star drive section.
@São João do mundo I imagine that earth doesn't have much. Think of First Contact and how few ships attacked the borg there despite them having much more a warning and knowing the borg is a threat. I'm sure starfleet thinks earth is totally safe especially in this era.
@@kanaric The first encounter with the Borg happened at Wolf 359, light years away from Sol. They barely kept up in an hours long race with the Cube heading towards Earth, it was basically a Bear rushing for the Bee Stock getting stung until he defended himself, but whats a Bee against a Giant. We can clearly see some specialised attack vehicles flying i military pattern, going after the Cube once in system, only for the Cube slicing through their shieldings because of Locutus telling them all the dirty details. We never got told what these things would be capable of, but it surely was the equivalent of artillery grade barricade fire. The cube only got stopped because Data found the standby command. This was closer than anytime else for our children to become nice and pale drones alltogether
@@felixleong61 Admiral Marcus, by this point, is in a condition called "Boneus Eruptus." It's where your skull leaps out of your head and your brain is crushed. Other sufferers include Oberyn Martell.
@Michael Dinneweth The Dauntless can overpower any single Federation Starship. It is a battleship and can withstand a ton of punishment. It could never take on a fleet of heavy Fed ships. It is not unbeatable. Also, it's main weapon takes 5 mins to power up if I recall.
I love that you used the TNG style phaser array effects on the Vengeance! It really drives home the fact that it’s supposed to be a secret test bed of advanced weapons technology! Using the TOS Enterprise also really highlighted the difference in technology with a the-almost-TMP warp nacelles and deflector. The use of TOS style phasers on the other Starfleet vessels really serves to drive this point home! And thank you so much for having the Federation ACTUALLY do something! Communications being jammed or not, SOMEONE should have noticed and sent a response to an attack was happening between the Earth and Moon! I’m not expecting the Vengeance to go down easy, but it’ll be fun to see it go up against the Federation dreadnoughts! My only gripe is that the Enterprise still didn’t get to fight back. The idea that Kirk would think he was untouchable at warp speeds infuriated me when I saw Into Darkness. We’ve seen ships intercept each other at warp speeds in TOS and TNG era stuff, it’s not a foreign concept JJ! (Gripe over) Still, very well done! That complaint was more directed towards the movie Into Darkness, not your video.
Maybe Kirk was under the reasonable assumption that a big ship like that would take some time to spool up it’s warp engines to full capacity because back in the tos and enterprise days they needed some time for ships to get up to speed
So yeah, this is Prime Universe Canon for me now, as in this actually happened in-universe during TOS. The story is this: The Enterprise is headed home after completing its five year mission. Carol Marcus (Bibi Besch) sends a message to Captain Kirk (William Shatner) and reveals to him the identity of Section 31 and their plans to use Khan (Ricardo Montalban) and his men for war against the Klingons. As they prepare to head back to Earth with this information, the Enterprise is intercepted by Admiral Marcus aboard the Vengeance. Admiral Marcus intercepted Carol's message, and decides to destroy the Enterprise to protect the secrets of Section 31. Kirk orders the Enterprise to return to Earth to alert Starfleet Command of the situation, but underestimates the speed and firepower of the Vengeance. After being disabled in orbit above the moon, the Enterprise is assisted by several other Starfleet ships, and together they defeat Admiral Marcus. Khan and his men are returned to Ceti Alpha V, Kirk is promoted to Admiral, and the Enterprise is scheduled for a refit.
I like it, makes for a nice conclusion to Kirk's original five year mission. Although after getting shot up by the Vengeance, "rebuilt" might be more accurate than "refit".
This would also help explain why they keep saying Kirk and Khan hadn't seen each other for 15 years as of 2285 even though Space Seed was in 2267 (18 years prior). Kirk's 5 year mission ended in 2270 which is exactly 15 years before TWOK. Works perfectly lol
And in final where Enterprise begin fall into the Earth surface after the power went off and damaged after took a heavy hit by the Vengeance and the serie then stay tuned for commercials
I like the instant warp appearance in some cases. When the Vengeance is instantly nose to nose with the Enterprise it gives you that "Oh crap!" feeling in the pit of your stomach! But other times it seems like an effect foreign to the series when every ship does it. Just my thoughts and not in any way a criticism of your work. I really like your take on it!
Really cool scene! That was something that really annoyed me about "Into Darkness". The Enterprise and the Vengeance were fighting right at Earth's doorstep. There should've have been hundreds of ships in the area including starships, shuttle crafts, and other vessels going back and forth between Earth and the Moon. Also where are all the moon cities at? They really screwed the pooch on those Trek movies.
This has always been my complaint as well. If someone starts a beef with the "Flagship Of The Federation" in full view of Earth, Spacedock and Luna... someone should have been asking questions if not separating the two brawlers with tractor beams pending an investigation.
@@peterthx the entire fleet was undergoing the same Refit that Enterprise just completed. Ordinarily there are dozens of Starfleet Vessels in the Sol System.
@@peterthx it would be unwise to conduct a Refit on the entire Starfleet at once. I'm sure the ships Epsilon 9 called still had TOS Specifications and were ill suited for the kind of mission the Enterprise was sent on. If the modern K'Tinga Battlecruiser was so easily defeated... you can bet that Pre-Refit Hermes (Scouts Columbia and Revere) would be lambs to the Slaughter. Only the Enterprise had the latest technology. Their new Shields could actually absorb a single Plasma Energy Pulse from V'Ger (Reducing them to 30% and unable to take another) but a Pre-Refit Starship would have been digitized.
You know, watching _Star Trek: Into Darkness,_ it was just, "woo, two big ships... /s" but this one, I feel as though something's at stake, like a friend is in danger. Good job
EXACTLY! You nailed it. This Enterprise is the one we all love. The new JJ-prise is kinda lie meh...I felt nothing when it was destroyed. ST:III when the 01 was destroyed...totally different.
@@codeviper8665 I can see where you're coming from. As there is more logic here with Enterprise recieving backup and also getting towed away by another ship like the way soldiers drag injured soldiers out of line of fire in battle But I did feel bad when watching into darkness as Vengeance towered behind Enterprise and was shooting her down repeatedly
@@azav8er10 Have Enterprise return with the heavy armor plating, updated photon torpedoes and stronger phasers. Jimmy Kirk wants to prove who is the better battle tactician and wants a bit of retribution.
Can you imagine what the orders were for this. "All avaliable ships report to Earth immediately. The Enterprise is under attack from an uniidentified enemy warship. Repeat all avaliable ships report to Earth immediately."
@Michael Dinneweth I doubt a TOS era Vengeance would be nearly as capable. One of the big differences between the main timeline and the Kelvin timeline is that after the Narada attacked Starfleet in the Kelvin timeline, Starfleet took it as a wakeup call and approved weapons projects that main timeline Starfleet wouldn't even consider remotely looking into, and they also gave Section 31 far more resources to work with. The Kelvin timeline Vengeance was a product of this. In the main timeline, Section 31 would be hard pressed to build an equivalent even considering the lower tech level of that era in the main timeline. This Vengeance would be less likely to be the supership we saw in the Kelvin timeline and more a prototype platform for technologies that would later be used on the Yamato-class dreadnought (referring to the late 23rd century version from Starfleet Command and Klingon Academy, not the restomodded Galaxy X from STO) and other similar ships. As a separate note, Admiral Marcus is probably still in a lot of _legislative_ trouble after this even if he manages to escape. As I said before, Section 31 wasn't given the kind of resources or approval in the main timeline that it was in the Kelvin timeline. Whereas the Kelvin timeline Vengeance would technically have been built under Federation sanction, a main timeline Vengeance would have had to be built behind everyone's backs, and would be considered a misappropriation of resources and a violation of direct orders.
@Michael Dinneweth I mean, as far as anyone is concerned none of the events of the Kelvin Timeline movies happened in the main timeline. The only direct reference to the Kelvin Timeline in the main timeline is the Hobus Supernova, which is a main timeline event that effectively created the Kelvin Timeline. They're their own continuity. Any discussion of a main-timeline version of the Vengeance is purely hypothetical.
@Michael Dinneweth Whether you like it or not, it belongs to the Canon, just another timeline that was heavily influenced by a certain event and made sure that the star fleet is more military than in the main timeline. And anyone who has seen the star trek series knows the star trek very often has something to do with alternative timelines. I mean, the spok from the main timeline has traveled to this time, which in principle is the confirmation that it belongs to the canon. And anyway I don't understand what a problem many star trek fans have with into darkness. It was a good film that continued the events from the kelvin timeline, which I also find quite interesting because the star fleet is a bit more militarized.
Not only an excellently done animation, but a design for the Vengeance and a confrontation in Earth orbit that makes a great deal more sense than what we saw in the movie. Well done! Also love the inclusion of the Proxima and Federation classes!
I always wondered why there were no other star ships in orbit. Where was the space dock? An epic battle between the Vengeance and the other star ships was sorely missed.
Eh. I would say oh . . . 5 to 10 miles distance between the two? So while yes, for ships their size they are quite close together, the distance between them is still a good bit. Edit: Scratch that "5 to 10 miles". Looks more like one to three miles.
Given the input from @@proudamerican183 I would say yes, it's a very close jump. Civilian aircraft at close altitude (less than 1,000 ft vertically) are to be no closer than 3 miles for the most part (and it may be 5 miles above 10,000 ft altitude), and that's not even going outside Earth's atmosphere! Edit 1 - changed "yes." to "yes, it's a very close jump." Edit 2 - created edit history
Brilliant, love this just like the movie, and love the Vengeance... and can be operated by 1... Perfect! Thank you for this... had to replay about 4 times..
I was kinda hoping the Enterprise would do more in the video, like have at least a brief skirmish with the Vengence before it was disabled. Aside from that i really didn't mind it. Overall, a very well made video.
Excuse me 6 tubes in the front and 4 on the aft? That's some crazy ass armament right there. I don't even think the sovereign has that much. And another one on the ROOF? holy moly ravioli
Just watched Into Darkness two weeks ago and again I asked myself "when the Enterprise fell out of Warp so close to Earth, why did Earth Space Control not notice them?"
They were in the far side of the moon so nobody see them, or the moon too far for the sensors, or Admiral Marcus send all ships to other shipyards for refit, or maybe JJ Abrams screwed the movie
Two "gripes": 1. I think that the T.O.S. Enterprise would be about half the size of the 'Abrams-verse' Enterprise. 2. T.O.S. Jim Kirk would probably have fired every gun he had once or twice before warping away.
But, Yes! I 👍💯 agree! TOS Paramilitary arm of StarFleet would be sending in the TOS NX class Battleships, Battle Crusiers, Dreadnoughts, Combat Cruisers! Yup, they might just give this TNG era stlye Vengeance a hard time....
So this is when someone so outdoes the original that you don't care it isn't canon. (clap clap). And as a fan with OCD, thank you for using the original phasers and torpedoes along with the original and new colors.
You added one of the things that was missing from STID, which was seeing a couple of patrol vessels attempting to render aid to the stricken Enterprise, only to have their asses handed to them on a silver platter as Admiral Marcus goes further down the moral event horizon. "Give me one reason why I shouldn't vaporize you where you sit, right here and now, Admiral!" I think the use of phaser arrays was too much of a leap however. Borgman's Vengeance remains my favorite TOS version.
The commander of the Starfleet task force that surrounds the USS Vengeance: "Marcus! What the hell are you doing?! You built an unregistered Starship to start a war, what are you thinking about?!"
Great redesign for the Vengeance; that ship was in sore need of one. Of course the entire movie needs a complete overhaul but still. Can't wait for part two. Certainly going to be interesting watching this incarnation of the battle. Already feels better than the one from Into Darkness and I'd actually kind of like to see the story as it unfolded in this version.
I wonder what it would have been like if this ship had been in the Klingon war, with so many torpedo launchers and destructive power it would have been very effective, I imagine it in the battle of the binary stars of discovery destroying all the Klingon ships (obviously imagining them with the TOS style)
This indeed needs a part 2, and personally I think it would be great if you included some of the lightspeed lunatic responders (nx-9999 uss overkill, ncc 1031 discovery ), that would be an amazing fire-fight. And also absolutely fantastic job on everything. well rounded combat, visible difference in tech, the oh shit feel, mixture of tos tng and Kelvin timeline weapons (tng + Kelvin on vengence.) AND good job fitting the music as well. I also like the cut back to the vengence to say "hey b*tch, I did NOT say you could leave."
🖖😎👍Very cool and very well nicely done and very well executed in every detail way shape and form and loved all of the battle scenes and all and all a very spectacular job indeed 👌.
This is a great video im exited about part 2. Would be ironic if the USS Reliant also came to aid in saving the Enterprise and not only to stop the Vengeance but also stopping Khan in the process.
@@IchigoKurosakicool U R wrong we should have gotten this beautiful looking Starship instead of JJ ABRAMS Enterprise cause U can't beat the looks of TOS Constitution class
@@ussvoyager8650 No, TOS constitution is budget driven cheap looking ship build for the 60s budget television series, besides, JJPrise is the result of CBS messing up the rights, JJPrise is beautiful and functional looking starship, I'd take Refit over Connie anyday, everday, JJprise is a whole different story.
Cool. Much better than Abrams version, but another thing JJ doesn't know, all dreadnought starships are equipped with three or four nacelles. Just a thought.
Um this is literally how it look except some minor changes in the impulse reactor. It's made for modern day audience. CBS just kinda forgot the old time star trek fans now.
awesome - great ship designs. Enterprise isn't out of the fight yet tho Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott will fix her up & Enterprise will save the day. cracking stuff 🐹
I don’t understand why anyone would dislike anything like this. I bet my last dollar they don’t create anything themselves and are the kind to nitpick everything that doesn’t live up to their ideals. Probably live in grandma’s basement abusing themselves over TOS reruns.
Yes! Kirk used the USS Reliant's in Wrath of Khan, though it only deactivated the ship's shields. This "master 'off' switch" is also referenced in an episode of TNG when Picard has to hunt down the rogue Captain Maxwell of the USS Phoenix in Cardassian territory.
@MrHoppers002 Bigger doesn't mean better. In Trek, more often than not, it was demonstrated that size doesn't matter. In particular, Federation ships can come in relatively small size but pack very powerful punch and technology. That said, the Vengeance is supposed to have an advantage in more powerful weapons, shields and propulsion... but even that won't give it much of an edge over 5 ships. Its still a product of the 23rd century, so 3 or 4 ships would probably be enough to take it down. If it had 100 years more advanced technology, sure, it would basically do away with those ships in 1 shot per each ship... but since it doesn't and is still built in the same era as other designs, then it would be outgunned.
Even if the vengeance still had the upper hand somehow blocked communications it should have had some resistance when the Earth Defense fleet saw the enterprise being under attack
I adore the Kelvin Timeline but man was the USS Enterprise a punching bag lol I understand that Capt. Kirk and her crew needed to think their way out of their problems, which i appreciate, but i would have liked to see the USS Enterprise be a beast just once. I was sad to see her go in 'Star Trek Beyond'.
You should look up an old Trek novel called "Dreadnought!" There was a similar story to Into Darkness in the prime universe with a ship called the Star Empire.
also actually, can i say you made your TOS Vengeance seem alittle more Menacing, then again i guess it's because of your Additional Scene that had the Vengeance Slowly Turing... i dont know why but just that feels more Deadly, like it knows i can Catch up and is just Playing
I prefer your design of the uss vengeance. Starfleet ships arriving after a ship being attacked close to earth sounds also logical. I just pretend tho movie did go like this
Exciting and gripping EXCEPT: Why do the vessels always face off head-to-head on the same axis? Why not warp-in beneath or overhead head-on aimed at the bridge or the secondary hull? THEN FIRE IMMEDIATELY!!!
Why didn't that happen in the movie in 136 have made sense to me they should have had a small defense fleet around Earth and its moon And the enterprise was almost at Earth's doorstep anyway
Wow! Fantastic work! Also it raised a question I hadn't considered about Into Darkness before: "Where the hell were the rest of Starfleet at this point?!"
If there was a battle occurring above Earth, Starfleet would have sent a few cruisers to check it out. I like your take a lot.
Would they, though, if they’d been ordered by a certain Admiral not to?
@@Shadowkey392 admiral marcus may be the CNC (basically the chairman of the joint chiefs) but there are other high ranking admirals that have authority under their positions to do their jobs with or without the CNC so for example chief of staff. commander starfleet.
@@Shadowkey392 starfleet has a regulation and rule about firing on there own ships which aplies to setion 31.and also the admeral is problaby dead after that and section 31 would be dismanteld agian
Not just a few cruisers - it'd constitute a fleet-wide Red Alert. A hostile warship in the heart of the Federation would garner a strong response.
So true. Lack of detail in the Kelvin Timeline.
The Federation ships using TOS-era sounds and the Vengeance using TNG-era sounds is the perfect touch to show how much more advanced Section 31 is.
That's what I thought. It creates a pleasant canon and adds continuity to the prime time line, as if Section 31 is using experimental technology that will eventually be adapted for everyday use in the TNG star Fleet era. It's a shame the movie directors don't try as hard as the guy who made this short film.
I’m wondering what is that sound for the Vengeance’s torpedoes. Quantum launchers?
Or it actually reminds me of Romulan disrupters being fired.
@@AllieGee95 It is TNG Era torpedoes, but from later on, First Contact on. We actually hear that sound more often in some of the games than we do anywhere else, like in Star Trek: Armada. I played that game waaaaay too many times not to know that sound effect by heart.
@@Kyronea oh okay thank you, yeah I can “picture/hear” it now that you mention it.
I’m also curious as to what sound is used for the pulse phasers/phaser canons we see the Vengeance firing from its star drive section.
Sounds like tng mixed with with mass effect
Actually, your interpretation makes a lot more sense. Starfleet would have intervened by that point.
I can only agree imagine like having 2 federation ships fighting right next to the moon and no one noticed.
Exactly my thoughts, one of the great plotholes in Star Trek into Darkness.
@São João do mundo I imagine that earth doesn't have much. Think of First Contact and how few ships attacked the borg there despite them having much more a warning and knowing the borg is a threat. I'm sure starfleet thinks earth is totally safe especially in this era.
@@kanaric The first encounter with the Borg happened at Wolf 359, light years away from Sol.
They barely kept up in an hours long race with the Cube heading towards Earth, it was basically a Bear rushing for the Bee Stock getting stung until he defended himself, but whats a Bee against a Giant.
We can clearly see some specialised attack vehicles flying i military pattern, going after the Cube once in system, only for the Cube slicing through their shieldings because of Locutus telling them all the dirty details.
We never got told what these things would be capable of, but it surely was the equivalent of artillery grade barricade fire.
The cube only got stopped because Data found the standby command.
This was closer than anytime else for our children to become nice and pale drones alltogether
Where the f**k was Earth's defense anyway.
Where they all in dry dock getting prettied up?
*Federation fleet surrounds Vengeance*
*Kirk as the Enterprise is towed away*
“Ha! You guys are so screwed now!”
YOU DISCRASED THE UNIFORM!!!
Admiral Marcus is basically screwed lol
Hahahahaha
@@felixleong61 Admiral Marcus, by this point, is in a condition called "Boneus Eruptus." It's where your skull leaps out of your head and your brain is crushed. Other sufferers include Oberyn Martell.
@Michael Dinneweth The Dauntless can overpower any single Federation Starship. It is a battleship and can withstand a ton of punishment. It could never take on a fleet of heavy Fed ships. It is not unbeatable. Also, it's main weapon takes 5 mins to power up if I recall.
I love that you used the TNG style phaser array effects on the Vengeance! It really drives home the fact that it’s supposed to be a secret test bed of advanced weapons technology! Using the TOS Enterprise also really highlighted the difference in technology with a the-almost-TMP warp nacelles and deflector.
The use of TOS style phasers on the other Starfleet vessels really serves to drive this point home!
And thank you so much for having the Federation ACTUALLY do something! Communications being jammed or not, SOMEONE should have noticed and sent a response to an attack was happening between the Earth and Moon! I’m not expecting the Vengeance to go down easy, but it’ll be fun to see it go up against the Federation dreadnoughts!
My only gripe is that the Enterprise still didn’t get to fight back. The idea that Kirk would think he was untouchable at warp speeds infuriated me when I saw Into Darkness. We’ve seen ships intercept each other at warp speeds in TOS and TNG era stuff, it’s not a foreign concept JJ! (Gripe over)
Still, very well done! That complaint was more directed towards the movie Into Darkness, not your video.
well he almost made it to earth, it was really close
Maybe Kirk was under the reasonable assumption that a big ship like that would take some time to spool up it’s warp engines to full capacity because back in the tos and enterprise days they needed some time for ships to get up to speed
Oh, that's right, Starfleet DOES have more than just the Enterprise...
Hot damn a Proxima-class! Makes me want to fire up Legacy again.
I got so happy when I saw that old dreadnought pull up.
Screw the Proxima! Didn't you see the USS Federation, Federation-class Dreadnought? :DDDD
@@Zeithri there was a book that introduced the Star Empire class dreadnought... Similar to the Federation class, but a definite warship
@@brianrogers7360 Diane Carey's book "Dreadnought!". yup.
@@0xKruzr I loved that book. I read a few novels that I loved. Dreadnought was one
So yeah, this is Prime Universe Canon for me now, as in this actually happened in-universe during TOS. The story is this: The Enterprise is headed home after completing its five year mission. Carol Marcus (Bibi Besch) sends a message to Captain Kirk (William Shatner) and reveals to him the identity of Section 31 and their plans to use Khan (Ricardo Montalban) and his men for war against the Klingons. As they prepare to head back to Earth with this information, the Enterprise is intercepted by Admiral Marcus aboard the Vengeance. Admiral Marcus intercepted Carol's message, and decides to destroy the Enterprise to protect the secrets of Section 31. Kirk orders the Enterprise to return to Earth to alert Starfleet Command of the situation, but underestimates the speed and firepower of the Vengeance. After being disabled in orbit above the moon, the Enterprise is assisted by several other Starfleet ships, and together they defeat Admiral Marcus. Khan and his men are returned to Ceti Alpha V, Kirk is promoted to Admiral, and the Enterprise is scheduled for a refit.
I like it, makes for a nice conclusion to Kirk's original five year mission.
Although after getting shot up by the Vengeance, "rebuilt" might be more accurate than "refit".
Your storyline is really good. I would love to see it in a TOS movie.
This would also help explain why they keep saying Kirk and Khan hadn't seen each other for 15 years as of 2285 even though Space Seed was in 2267 (18 years prior). Kirk's 5 year mission ended in 2270 which is exactly 15 years before TWOK. Works perfectly lol
And in final where Enterprise begin fall into the Earth surface after the power went off and damaged after took a heavy hit by the Vengeance and the serie then stay tuned for commercials
Nice ending. Nice everything actually.
i'd love to see this federation fleet but in a universal crossover!
Shesh 2 battle ships 1 dred that dred captain crazy or does he have a deth wish or yet better Jim Kirk hyjacks 1701 D warps in dred vs galxcey
fleet seemed a little small but oh well
When it will continue
@@curious5887 when you make the sequal
I like how the ships meet at an angle to each other
I like the instant warp appearance in some cases. When the Vengeance is instantly nose to nose with the Enterprise it gives you that "Oh crap!" feeling in the pit of your stomach! But other times it seems like an effect foreign to the series when every ship does it. Just my thoughts and not in any way a criticism of your work. I really like your take on it!
Really cool scene! That was something that really annoyed me about "Into Darkness". The Enterprise and the Vengeance were fighting right at Earth's doorstep. There should've have been hundreds of ships in the area including starships, shuttle crafts, and other vessels going back and forth between Earth and the Moon. Also where are all the moon cities at? They really screwed the pooch on those Trek movies.
This has always been my complaint as well. If someone starts a beef with the "Flagship Of The Federation" in full view of Earth, Spacedock and Luna... someone should have been asking questions if not separating the two brawlers with tractor beams pending an investigation.
TMP - Kirk: "The Enterprise is the ONLY starship that stands in its way."
@@peterthx the entire fleet was undergoing the same Refit that Enterprise just completed. Ordinarily there are dozens of Starfleet Vessels in the Sol System.
@@richardched6085 that isn't canon. The novel by Gene Roddenberry didn't even mention it. Epsilon 9 makes several callouts to multiple starships.
@@peterthx it would be unwise to conduct a Refit on the entire Starfleet at once. I'm sure the ships Epsilon 9 called still had TOS Specifications and were ill suited for the kind of mission the Enterprise was sent on. If the modern K'Tinga Battlecruiser was so easily defeated... you can bet that Pre-Refit Hermes (Scouts Columbia and Revere) would be lambs to the Slaughter. Only the Enterprise had the latest technology. Their new Shields could actually absorb a single Plasma Energy Pulse from V'Ger (Reducing them to 30% and unable to take another) but a Pre-Refit Starship would have been digitized.
You know, watching _Star Trek: Into Darkness,_ it was just, "woo, two big ships... /s" but this one, I feel as though something's at stake, like a friend is in danger. Good job
EXACTLY! You nailed it. This Enterprise is the one we all love. The new JJ-prise is kinda lie meh...I felt nothing when it was destroyed. ST:III when the 01 was destroyed...totally different.
Just admit you have the nostalgia goggles, pal. I won't hate
@@getcattoed9291 But I didn't grow up on the TOS Enterprise. I never watched TOS until I was nearly an adult
@@codeviper8665 I can see where you're coming from. As there is more logic here with Enterprise recieving backup and also getting towed away by another ship like the way soldiers drag injured soldiers out of line of fire in battle
But I did feel bad when watching into darkness as Vengeance towered behind Enterprise and was shooting her down repeatedly
@@getcattoed9291 I guess it goes to show that Section 31 has no qualms in destroying a well-known flagship of the Federation. Or trying to.
That was brilliant, please do have a part 2. Wish the Foley-class could make an appearance, but that would be dreaming.
Dreams do come true... ;)
@@azav8er10 Have Enterprise return with the heavy armor plating, updated photon torpedoes and stronger phasers. Jimmy Kirk wants to prove who is the better battle tactician and wants a bit of retribution.
I have the vengeance on Star trek online and I called it libeitry 1
@@ericmadsen7470 ..... that would finally prove that Scotty is a miracle worker. A repair, redesign and refit all done in two minutes. wow.
Would've been cool to see another Connie with the fleet too. Lexington, maybe, or Potemkin
Can you imagine what the orders were for this. "All avaliable ships report to Earth immediately. The Enterprise is under attack from an uniidentified enemy warship. Repeat all avaliable ships report to Earth immediately."
And also to bring out a battleship out of mothballs, even if her two warp cores aren't ready.
Visible shields. 👍 Besides, it bothers me that the Enterprise did not fire back at least once in the movie.
their weapons weren't efficient, not to mention that Vengeance destroyed their weapons without them having a chance to do anything.
@@nomenomeha30anosatras33 I am aware of that, but as it is a movie on the big screen I still want to see them try and fire.
the two dreadnought class ships had me " that is a shit ton of fire power." truly amazing
Don't forget the Proxima class ship
Yes You definitely had me when you included the Dreadnought ships! Excellent job!
Both who's fire power is inferior to the vengeance. Doesn't mean they don't have a chance. True brute strength over technological might
@@Nichodo should've also brought out the Atlas-class, then we got a real battle of the dreadnoughts.
I'd say Admiral Marcus is in A LOT of trouble in this particular timeline.
@Michael Dinneweth Why not? He ist sorrounded by several starfleet ships, and probably more are on their way.
@Michael Dinneweth
I doubt a TOS era Vengeance would be nearly as capable. One of the big differences between the main timeline and the Kelvin timeline is that after the Narada attacked Starfleet in the Kelvin timeline, Starfleet took it as a wakeup call and approved weapons projects that main timeline Starfleet wouldn't even consider remotely looking into, and they also gave Section 31 far more resources to work with. The Kelvin timeline Vengeance was a product of this. In the main timeline, Section 31 would be hard pressed to build an equivalent even considering the lower tech level of that era in the main timeline. This Vengeance would be less likely to be the supership we saw in the Kelvin timeline and more a prototype platform for technologies that would later be used on the Yamato-class dreadnought (referring to the late 23rd century version from Starfleet Command and Klingon Academy, not the restomodded Galaxy X from STO) and other similar ships.
As a separate note, Admiral Marcus is probably still in a lot of _legislative_ trouble after this even if he manages to escape. As I said before, Section 31 wasn't given the kind of resources or approval in the main timeline that it was in the Kelvin timeline. Whereas the Kelvin timeline Vengeance would technically have been built under Federation sanction, a main timeline Vengeance would have had to be built behind everyone's backs, and would be considered a misappropriation of resources and a violation of direct orders.
@Michael Dinneweth I mean, as far as anyone is concerned none of the events of the Kelvin Timeline movies happened in the main timeline. The only direct reference to the Kelvin Timeline in the main timeline is the Hobus Supernova, which is a main timeline event that effectively created the Kelvin Timeline. They're their own continuity. Any discussion of a main-timeline version of the Vengeance is purely hypothetical.
@Michael Dinneweth Whether you like it or not, it belongs to the Canon, just another timeline that was heavily influenced by a certain event and made sure that the star fleet is more military than in the main timeline. And anyone who has seen the star trek series knows the star trek very often has something to do with alternative timelines. I mean, the spok from the main timeline has traveled to this time, which in principle is the confirmation that it belongs to the canon. And anyway I don't understand what a problem many star trek fans have with into darkness. It was a good film that continued the events from the kelvin timeline, which I also find quite interesting because the star fleet is a bit more militarized.
@@MrWasGehtSieDasAn01 plus it had Alice eve
This is a better Vengeance than what we saw in the film!!
Not only an excellently done animation, but a design for the Vengeance and a confrontation in Earth orbit that makes a great deal more sense than what we saw in the movie. Well done!
Also love the inclusion of the Proxima and Federation classes!
When the Proxima warped in! That the Dreadnought I love BABY!
This is really good, I love the lightning effects on the Enterprise when it "dropped" (or rather torpedoed) out of warp
Now THAT is what should have happened in Into Darkness!
I always wondered why there were no other star ships in orbit. Where was the space dock? An epic battle between the Vengeance and the other star ships was sorely missed.
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Is it just me or is that an *EXTREMELY* close jump, even for combat standards.
Eh. I would say oh . . . 5 to 10 miles distance between the two? So while yes, for ships their size they are quite close together, the distance between them is still a good bit.
Edit: Scratch that "5 to 10 miles". Looks more like one to three miles.
Given the input from @@proudamerican183 I would say yes, it's a very close jump. Civilian aircraft at close altitude (less than 1,000 ft vertically) are to be no closer than 3 miles for the most part (and it may be 5 miles above 10,000 ft altitude), and that's not even going outside Earth's atmosphere!
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It certainly is. But then again, space is vast..... xD
Way better than the actual movie. This makes more sense, feels better. Well done.
was just thinking will I was watching this,
"Huh shouldn't there be a Proxima Clas-"
*Proxima Class Warps in*
Me ".... Stop reading my mind"
Best warp effect I've seen on a fan made film!
Brilliant, love this just like the movie, and love the Vengeance... and can be operated by 1... Perfect! Thank you for this... had to replay about 4 times..
This needs a Part 2!
I was kinda hoping the Enterprise would do more in the video, like have at least a brief skirmish with the Vengence before it was disabled. Aside from that i really didn't mind it. Overall, a very well made video.
OMG this here my friend is how it should have been done . I tip my hat to you . By the way I am glad you brought in the battleship
Excuse me 6 tubes in the front and 4 on the aft? That's some crazy ass armament right there. I don't even think the sovereign has that much. And another one on the ROOF? holy moly ravioli
I wanna see the ENTIRE Starfleet armada show up. I want every enemy of the Federation to see the power and strength they have!!
at the very least earth should be guarded by a home guard fleet of at least 10-20 starships.
Awesome remake of the USS Vengeance attack scene.
Just watched Into Darkness two weeks ago and again I asked myself "when the Enterprise fell out of Warp so close to Earth, why did Earth Space Control not notice them?"
They were in the far side of the moon so nobody see them, or the moon too far for the sensors, or Admiral Marcus send all ships to other shipyards for refit, or maybe JJ Abrams screwed the movie
No idea if there was a part 2, or still plans for one, but this was good enough to be continued.
There will be a part 2....along with a revamped part 1 😏
That was AWESOME!
Starfleet should've adopted the Vengeance design. That woulda made the Klingons nervous.
It really is a shame this didn’t get a part 2. You did a grand job with this!
Fantastic battle, superb job!!! I can't wait to see more. Thanks for sharing 🙂
love that dramatic fleet arrival!
Two "gripes": 1. I think that the T.O.S. Enterprise would be about half the size of the 'Abrams-verse' Enterprise. 2. T.O.S. Jim Kirk would probably have fired every gun he had once or twice before warping away.
But, Yes! I 👍💯 agree! TOS Paramilitary arm of StarFleet would be sending in the TOS NX class Battleships, Battle Crusiers, Dreadnoughts, Combat Cruisers! Yup, they might just give this TNG era stlye Vengeance a hard time....
I'm glad you deleted that pointless cutout in the Vengeance's saucer.
So this is when someone so outdoes the original that you don't care it isn't canon. (clap clap). And as a fan with OCD, thank you for using the original phasers and torpedoes along with the original and new colors.
For me this is canon
Not hard to out do a jj movie.
Awesome!!! I hope to see the Kelvin Timeline style soon! And i want the episode 2 of this one!
Yes definitely more fitting.
You added one of the things that was missing from STID, which was seeing a couple of patrol vessels attempting to render aid to the stricken Enterprise, only to have their asses handed to them on a silver platter as Admiral Marcus goes further down the moral event horizon.
"Give me one reason why I shouldn't vaporize you where you sit, right here and now, Admiral!"
I think the use of phaser arrays was too much of a leap however. Borgman's Vengeance remains my favorite TOS version.
I know Im late to this party, but you took something I hated and made it make sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well done!!
That was very cool, had chills running down my back watching it.
The commander of the Starfleet task force that surrounds the USS Vengeance: "Marcus! What the hell are you doing?! You built an unregistered Starship to start a war, what are you thinking about?!"
It was such as shame we didn't get to actually see the vengeance properly in the movie, it was so dark I almost couldn't tell what she looked like.
Great redesign for the Vengeance; that ship was in sore need of one. Of course the entire movie needs a complete overhaul but still.
Can't wait for part two. Certainly going to be interesting watching this incarnation of the battle.
Already feels better than the one from Into Darkness and I'd actually kind of like to see the story as it unfolded in this version.
Ditto!
From what we can see this happened in the original timeline
The Vengeance as presented in the movie was awesome, even if they overplayed the "Its the bad guy ship" too much.
@@DocWolph or overdue to just a little too much.
I wonder what it would have been like if this ship had been in the Klingon war, with so many torpedo launchers and destructive power it would have been very effective, I imagine it in the battle of the binary stars of discovery destroying all the Klingon ships (obviously imagining them with the TOS style)
This indeed needs a part 2, and personally I think it would be great if you included some of the lightspeed lunatic responders (nx-9999 uss overkill, ncc 1031 discovery ), that would be an amazing fire-fight.
And also absolutely fantastic job on everything. well rounded combat, visible difference in tech, the oh shit feel, mixture of tos tng and Kelvin timeline weapons (tng + Kelvin on vengence.) AND good job fitting the music as well. I also like the cut back to the vengence to say "hey b*tch, I did NOT say you could leave."
"Something....wecanhelpyoufind, sir?"
"Mr. Chevkov, didyoubreak..my ship?"
🖖😎👍Very cool and very well nicely done and very well executed in every detail way shape and form and loved all of the battle scenes and all and all a very spectacular job indeed 👌.
This is a great video im exited about part 2. Would be ironic if the USS Reliant also came to aid in saving the Enterprise and not only to stop the Vengeance but also stopping Khan in the process.
YES! HELL YES! THIS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE GOTEN!
Most Definitely
nope
@@IchigoKurosakicool U R wrong we should have gotten this beautiful looking Starship instead of JJ ABRAMS Enterprise cause U can't beat the looks of TOS Constitution class
@@ussvoyager8650 No, TOS constitution is budget driven cheap looking ship build for the 60s budget television series, besides, JJPrise is the result of CBS messing up the rights, JJPrise is beautiful and functional looking starship, I'd take Refit over Connie anyday, everday, JJprise is a whole different story.
@@IchigoKurosakicool they could have used a modified version of TMP Constitution class
USS Vengeance: “If you think you are safe at warp Enterprise, then, you’re wrong.”
Cool. Much better than Abrams version, but another thing JJ doesn't know, all dreadnought starships are equipped with three or four nacelles. Just a thought.
Nice job! PLEASE make a part 2, (I friggin hate "To Be Continue" events that aren't finished)!
Kirk, "He caught us with our britches down !!!". " If I was thinking fast enough, we would have WON !!!".
I enjoyed this and I'm 60. Always enjoyed ' space battle ' action.
That was better than Into Dorkness 👍
Holy crap that was amazing!! 🖖🏽😳
Nice to see TOS Dreadnaught and Battleships.
God Into Darkness was such a good movie, and you somehow improved on it!
WHERE IS PART 2 IT IS WELL NEEDED!?
THIS IS THE BEST THING I'VE SEEN IN YEARS!!!
Pls do a second! this is amazing!
Hello. Nice. This is what Enterprise should have looked like in "Star Trek: Discovery."
Um this is literally how it look except some minor changes in the impulse reactor. It's made for modern day audience. CBS just kinda forgot the old time star trek fans now.
This is way better than the movie 😊
WoW Bravo 👏👍
I could hear the Dialogue in my head just with the Action !
AT LEAST THE SITH WILL REVEAL THEMSELVES! AT LEAST WE WILL HAVE OUR USS VENGEANCE!
awesome - great ship designs. Enterprise isn't out of the fight yet tho Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott will fix her up & Enterprise will save the day.
cracking stuff 🐹
I don’t understand why anyone would dislike anything like this. I bet my last dollar they don’t
create anything themselves and are the kind to nitpick everything that doesn’t live up to their ideals. Probably live in grandma’s basement abusing themselves over TOS reruns.
If only you included the Atlas-class.
This sequence should be included in Star Trek Into the Darkness, because IT'S AWESOME!
Your version of the Vengeance looks a lot better than than the JJ version.
Love the video. Looking forward for the continuing half
Just out of curiousity, doesn't starfleet have a master 'off' switch for their ships in case this happens?
Yes! Kirk used the USS Reliant's in Wrath of Khan, though it only deactivated the ship's shields. This "master 'off' switch" is also referenced in an episode of TNG when Picard has to hunt down the rogue Captain Maxwell of the USS Phoenix in Cardassian territory.
Quantum you are mega-talented.
Oh heck yes! The Fed fleet looks like they will Take down the Vengeance... lol
@MrHoppers002 Bigger doesn't mean better.
In Trek, more often than not, it was demonstrated that size doesn't matter. In particular, Federation ships can come in relatively small size but pack very powerful punch and technology.
That said, the Vengeance is supposed to have an advantage in more powerful weapons, shields and propulsion... but even that won't give it much of an edge over 5 ships.
Its still a product of the 23rd century, so 3 or 4 ships would probably be enough to take it down.
If it had 100 years more advanced technology, sure, it would basically do away with those ships in 1 shot per each ship... but since it doesn't and is still built in the same era as other designs, then it would be outgunned.
Even if the vengeance still had the upper hand somehow blocked communications it should have had some resistance when the Earth Defense fleet saw the enterprise being under attack
I did wonder why in the film there were no other ships to be seen..right outside federation HQ. Well done you fixed it 👍
I adore the Kelvin Timeline but man was the USS Enterprise a punching bag lol
I understand that Capt. Kirk and her crew needed to think their way out of their problems, which i appreciate, but i would have liked to see the USS Enterprise be a beast just once. I was sad to see her go in 'Star Trek Beyond'.
HEY!!!! WHERE'S PART 2????!!! YOU CAN'T LEAVE US HANGING AFTER THAT AMAZING VIDEO!!!!!
Can we please get PART 2 of this amazing battle?? I want to see how the Battlegroup fares vs Vengeance!
Vengeance looks like an Excelsior/Ambassador mashup here
You should look up an old Trek novel called "Dreadnought!" There was a similar story to Into Darkness in the prime universe with a ship called the Star Empire.
Please continue this video, i want to see vengeance fight USS Federation, USS Proxima, USS Kerala, and other Starfleet Vessel
also actually, can i say you made your TOS Vengeance seem alittle more Menacing, then again i guess it's because of your Additional Scene that had the Vengeance Slowly Turing... i dont know why but just that feels more Deadly, like it knows i can Catch up and is just Playing
This 5 min clip is seriously better than anything in the JJ films. He should've been taking notes from you for that scene in Into Darkness
Give me a break.
I prefer your design of the uss vengeance. Starfleet ships arriving after a ship being attacked close to earth sounds also logical. I just pretend tho movie did go like this
Fixes SO MUCH about the movie! Like why didn't other ships react?
PART 2! I haven't had that Trek "to be continued" shock in a long time! Great video
Exciting and gripping EXCEPT: Why do the vessels always face off head-to-head on the same axis? Why not warp-in beneath or overhead head-on aimed at the bridge or the secondary hull? THEN FIRE IMMEDIATELY!!!
The simple answer is that it just looks right.
Why didn't that happen in the movie in 136 have made sense to me they should have had a small defense fleet around Earth and its moon And the enterprise was almost at Earth's doorstep anyway
Don’t know why everyone praises jj Abrams as a director. He doesn’t care about the films he’s making he just wants cool visuals
The original enterprise would tear the vengeance a new asshole, technology in the Kelvin timeline is inferior to the original series.
Wow! Fantastic work! Also it raised a question I hadn't considered about Into Darkness before: "Where the hell were the rest of Starfleet at this point?!"
*active engagement as close as the frikkin MOON*
Starfleet: 👁👄👁